Sinn > Kira GS before GSD
Ive liked Shinn from the start and I think Shinn is just as good a pilot as Kira is now, Kira had the better Gundam but Shinn overcame that with better tactics
LONG LIVE SHINN!!!
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Sinn > Kira GS before GSD
Ive liked Shinn from the start and I think Shinn is just as good a pilot as Kira is now, Kira had the better Gundam but Shinn overcame that with better tactics
LONG LIVE SHINN!!!
shinn isnt as good a pilot as kira. shinns objective was to take down freedom, kiras was to hold back ZAFT forces so that the AA could escape. kira didnt focus 100% on the battle, shinn did. he barely had the time to talk to meyrin. he was so focused on his task.
Shinn also did lots of research, because he knew Kira's Gundam was better and had access to tons of resources dealing with Freedom's abilities.Quote:
Originally posted by: JerV
Sinn > Kira GS before GSD
Ive liked Shinn from the start and I think Shinn is just as good a pilot as Kira is now, Kira had the better Gundam but Shinn overcame that with better tactics
LONG LIVE SHINN!!!
Not only did Kira not have any access to files about Impulse (what with it being top secret), until this fight there was no reason for him to believe it was anything but an upgraded Strike.
Had Shinn failed here, he never would have had another chance, because Kira would have known more than enough to defeat him in the future. (Note: Kira had no trouble maiming Impulse once, he jsut didn't expect it to be a threat afterwards. Shinn had Kira completely on the defensive. Kira has NEVER been able to win on the defensive.)
That said, while I like Kira as a (fake) person, and think that Shinn is an ass, I think both characters are equally well written, and both have very specific (and different) roles.
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Originally posted by: JerV
Sinn > Kira GS before GSD
Ive liked Shinn from the start and I think Shinn is just as good a pilot as Kira is now, Kira had the better Gundam but Shinn overcame that with better tactics
LONG LIVE SHINN!!!
actually i agree with you that kira had a better gundam compare to what shinn had...
but impulse was sort of design to take down freedom and kira style of fighting
as you can see...kira always aim for their weapons...hands...leg...main camera...
which causes kira opponent unable to fight...sort of disable their gundam...
however impulse's design was such to counter kira style...
impulse could change whatever parts shinn needed after getting disable
thus i could say that impulse>freedom+no kill policy
but impulse<freedom+without no kill policy
i completely agree with what you said especially because when you think about it thats the only reason why he won the fight was pretty much over the first time kira hit him with the beam sabre. i like to look past the whole kira vs shinn thing and look at it as kira vs duillandal its clear he using shinn as his pawn giving him the right equipment to take down freedom and now that freedom is out of the way give the guy destiny since he does need to regenerate parts because he got rid of freedom. the point is now one knows how much thought, effort, and planing duillandal has put into his plan
Hmms, i was rewatching the episodes and do you most of the time when u see Duillandal hes got his chess board near him, im assuming hes planning out all his tactics by the way his chess game goes and all of his ZAFT forces are his chess pieces.
Im also aware of Kira's no kill policy but if you havent noticed Freedom still over powers impulse with all his weapons and the fact kira is the ultimate coordinator. Shinn was able to dodge the first few shots of Kiras without going into Seed mode and when he went up for his atks he goes into Seed Mode. So from this we can see Shinn is improving and he can most likely dodge Kira's atk once kira gets strike freedom with Kira in the Kill Policy cause hes probley soo pissed he got pwned by Shinn. And you must remember Shinn's emotions are what makes him the formidible fighter he is, remember Kira in GS when he was in the same emotional breakdown thingy; its the same as Shinns right now because when they are fighting for their purpose they are also using their emotions to control them and by doing that they can exceed levels way beyond normal. I still believe in the end Shinn will learn how to control his emotions just like Kira does and join AA, but thats my assumtion we'll have to keep watching to know.
UGH... I should have known this topic would have spoilers for Ep 34 .... No I havent watched it yet!
Isn't there a policy here about labeling SPOILERS as such and all that?
Kuso Kuso Kuso!
::runs off to watch an episode 34 that is like a flank steak left in the Arizona sun for a day::
shinn actually did know exactly where kira would be shooting...Quote:
Originally posted by: Pwas
Hmms, i was rewatching the episodes and do you most of the time when u see Duillandal hes got his chess board near him, im assuming hes planning out all his tactics by the way his chess game goes and all of his ZAFT forces are his chess pieces.
Im also aware of Kira's no kill policy but if you havent noticed Freedom still over powers impulse with all his weapons and the fact kira is the ultimate coordinator. Shinn was able to dodge the first few shots of Kiras without going into Seed mode and when he went up for his atks he goes into Seed Mode. So from this we can see Shinn is improving and he can most likely dodge Kira's atk once kira gets strike freedom with Kira in the Kill Policy cause hes probley soo pissed he got pwned by Shinn. And you must remember Shinn's emotions are what makes him the formidible fighter he is, remember Kira in GS when he was in the same emotional breakdown thingy; its the same as Shinns right now because when they are fighting for their purpose they are also using their emotions to control them and by doing that they can exceed levels way beyond normal. I still believe in the end Shinn will learn how to control his emotions just like Kira does and join AA, but thats my assumtion we'll have to keep watching to know.
rey told him that freedom aimming never hit the cockpit except for hand blah blah blah
thus shinn already have the main idea where kira would be shooting...
giving him the advantage to dodge easily by the shots of kira...
i dont really consider a pawnage considering impulse was quite badly damaged
unless impulse won with slightly or no damage that would be ownage...
i dont think kira would be rather pissed by his ''pawnage''
and would not underestimate shinn and expecting to disable him or kill him with one shot
but shinn was improving obviously and using impulse segmented parts to his fullest potential in impulse...
maybe you shouldn't read the things people write on the forums until you see the ep.Quote:
Originally posted by: masamuneehs
UGH... I should have known this topic would have spoilers for Ep 34 .... No I havent watched it yet!
Isn't there a policy here about labeling SPOILERS as such and all that?
Kuso Kuso Kuso!
::runs off to watch an episode 34 that is like a flank steak left in the Arizona sun for a day::
agreed!Quote:
Originally posted by: JerV
Sinn > Kira GS before GSD
Ive liked Shinn from the start and I think Shinn is just as good a pilot as Kira is now, Kira had the better Gundam but Shinn overcame that with better tactics
LONG LIVE SHINN!!!
bah! Kira's power has went in the head for him. whenever he was in the ship he would just chill around thinking he won't have a problem with whatever battle might come around.Quote:
Originally posted by: MeroTZ
Shinn also did lots of research, because he knew Kira's Gundam was better and had access to tons of resources dealing with Freedom's abilities.
Not only did Kira not have any access to files about Impulse (what with it being top secret), until this fight there was no reason for him to believe it was anything but an upgraded Strike.
Shinn's data on freedom was from the Minerva's battle records. Archangel must have had plenty of data about the impulse, too, but no one bothered with it because they thought ZAFT doesn't have the balls to attack them.
harhar...owned!
Shinn>Kira, watched GS after few first episodes of GSD.
They did't think Minerva of ZAFT would attack ecause AA didn't pose a threat towards them and because they have saved Minerva 2-3 times...
Kira doesn't want to fight more than he have to, looking at battle data would go against his own beliefs.
AA expect that they would be involve getting attack by ZAFT or EAF
but they didn't expect to be that sudden...
AA and kira didn't know that impulse was segmented...
but only know the impulse after combine...
anyway when AA was there...impulse never actually did anything beside hitting the cockpit of destroy...
the only things impulse did was to dodge freedom
what could they research and see from there...impulse could dodge freedom thats all...
the AA identified impulse as 4 diffrent heat sources in the destroy battle so they knew that it was a suit of 4 parts.
still kira didn't fight to win, he fought for the AA to escape. shinns top priority was to completly destroy freedom, kiras priority was to defend the AA and cagalli. while shinn hade superior tactics and battle planning he is in no way a better pilot than kira. he knew that kira fires probably 75% of his shots at the beam rifle and head so he protected those points the most. shinn slipped in the battle and got his head and arm cut off, if it would have been any other suit he would have lost but he won since impulse got spare parts flying around everywhere and that isnt shinns great piloting, that is the design of impulse. while shinn has improved alot since the start of the series he is not as strong as kira yet.
No they interferred in 2-3 battles that minerva was a participant in and just for the record didnt the AA/Kira clyne faction cause serious damage to minervas weaponry...Quote:
Originally posted by: Shinji Ikari
They did't think Minerva of ZAFT would attack ecause AA didn't pose a threat towards them and because they have saved Minerva 2-3 times...
Kira doesn't want to fight more than he have to, looking at battle data would go against his own beliefs.
And he never will be as strong as Kira
All hail Kira!!
Yes, and for those who has looked carefully, At one time Minerva got attacked by 4 MS and oth Luna and Rey got damaged and Shinn was an idiot who didn't at all even think of protecting Minerva, so AA fired close to Minerva to save it... Another time Minerva was surrounded and totally outnumbered, and had not AA been there, then Minerva could have kissed the holy grail and gone to heaven.Quote:
Originally posted by: LokeXero
No they interferred in 2-3 battles that minerva was a participant in and just for the record didnt the AA/Kira clyne faction cause serious damage to minervas weaponry...Quote:
Originally posted by: Shinji Ikari
They did't think Minerva of ZAFT would attack ecause AA didn't pose a threat towards them and because they have saved Minerva 2-3 times...
Kira doesn't want to fight more than he have to, looking at battle data would go against his own beliefs.
also, kir aonce destroyed gun of murasame that may have destroyed minerva bridge.
opps my bad abt that...just remember it but i dont think kira do know about impulse tho...mayb for AA
Kira did look a bit surprised when he saw how Impulse split in two when he tried to take a swing at it.
Kira>Shinn all the way baby cause Kira as a character as evolved alot more then shinn as so for Shinn all he does his gettin cocky n big headed. Pilot skills kira as alot more then Shinn juz watch the series n u can see it unless ur blind. my hope is that all the shit Shinn gave athrun will be delivered by athrun first SEED mode in da series with a serious asskicking, watched GS before GSD
Say whatever you want. Kira still lost from Shinn.