Ch. 257 Discussion Thread

considering that practically every allegation ever made in anime towards someone being blind is implying that they failed to realize something, i figured it was pretty obvious.......and i dont care how direct of a translation it is, because it still doesn't argue my point

but whatever, despite there being no practical rationality for kishimoto to weaken itachi's character at this point in the series, there's no point in arguing it until next week's chapter comes out.......

although then again Y, you were one of those people who took some of the more random details presented in the series seriously, am I right? Like the part about Gai being better than Itachi? I shouldn't be surprised about you taking the blind eye thing literally, in that case [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

hmm, two years fighting experience and jutsu learning jutsu with Jiraya...damn Naruto really has no experience at all
he really still is at genin lvl huh? hUh? HUH???

damn I don't know who said that Naruto didn't have experience enough to fight Itachi, but prolly everyone out there
Come on, I do admit Itachi is badass but come on, breaking the humans limit?? this aint dragonball where we can
expect Super Sayajins and horrible stuff like that.
According to me, training and fighting with a über Jiraya is plenty enough to have taken the first steps into "badassnes"!

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Originally posted by: Franggio
hmm, two years fighting experience and jutsu learning jutsu with Jiraya...damn Naruto really has no experience at all
he really still is at genin lvl huh? hUh? HUH???

damn I don't know who said that Naruto didn't have experience enough to fight Itachi, but prolly everyone out there
Come on, I do admit Itachi is badass but come on, breaking the humans limit?? this aint dragonball where we can
expect Super Sayajins and horrible stuff like that.
According to me, training and fighting with a über Jiraya is plenty enough to have taken the first steps into "badassnes"!

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Hmm. Dragonball to me as well as many others was a classic series which influenced many people around the world. Even Kishimoto confessed to being a Toriyama fan. Do that many people hate "saiyans and horrible stuff like that"? The only part I do not like about Dragonball is the Buu saga, which I thought was unnecessary and the story should have ended with the death of Gouku.

As for Naruto being a Genin, all I have to say that you do not need so called "rank" to kick ass. : )

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Originally posted by: Psyke

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Originally posted by: Franggio
hmm, two years fighting experience and jutsu learning jutsu with Jiraya...damn Naruto really has no experience at all
he really still is at genin lvl huh? hUh? HUH???

damn I don't know who said that Naruto didn't have experience enough to fight Itachi, but prolly everyone out there
Come on, I do admit Itachi is badass but come on, breaking the humans limit?? this aint dragonball where we can
expect Super Sayajins and horrible stuff like that.
According to me, training and fighting with a über Jiraya is plenty enough to have taken the first steps into "badassnes"!

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Hmm. Dragonball to me as well as many others was a classic series which influenced many people around the world. Even Kishimoto confessed to being a Toriyama fan. Do that many people hate "saiyans and horrible stuff like that"? The only part I do not like about Dragonball is the Buu saga, which I thought was unnecessary and the story should have ended with the death of Gouku.

As for Naruto being a Genin, all I have to say that you do not need so called "rank" to kick ass. : )

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Ok I was prolly wrong about the dbz thing, i liked that one, only thing I wanted to say was that no
matter how fricken strong Itachi is, he has a limit, and that limit is reachable for the others aswell
it aint like DBZ, they never have a limit, it just keeps going on and on and on.
And I so do agree with the "rank" remark.

I don't think that Kakashi has developed the mangekyou. You should take into consideration that Obito had a one dot sharingan when he died and Kakashi has developed it into a three dot sharingan. So, if he was able to bring the one dot up to three dots it is possible to also raise it to the mangekyou sharingan. But, like I said I don't think he has done this.

I am leaning more towards the theory of he did something to his eye that will not allow the mangekyou to work on him.

This chapter was a total cliff hanger. I want more more moreeeeee!

And I don't think Kakashi has mangekyou either. He might have started some sort of sneak attack while everyone was talking though...(aka. his new technique)

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Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
considering that practically every allegation ever made in anime towards someone being blind is implying that they failed to realize something, i figured it was pretty obvious.......and i dont care how direct of a translation it is, because it still doesn't argue my point

but whatever, despite there being no practical rationality for kishimoto to weaken itachi's character at this point in the series, there's no point in arguing it until next week's chapter comes out.......

although then again Y, you were one of those people who took some of the more random details presented in the series seriously, am I right? Like the part about Gai being better than Itachi? I shouldn't be surprised about you taking the blind eye thing literally, in that case [img][/img]

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More people are taking to the "going blind theory" more than your theory because it sounds more intriguing.

I mean, imagine, the sharigan having a expiration date.

Wait, wait...new theory:
remember what the granny said about attacking behind and then, Kakashi telling Naruto that "You'll be my back up."
Let's rewind to the episodes with Haku and stuff: remember how Sasuke and Naruto saved Kakashi outta that bubble thing?
Yeah, I think something similar is gonna happen.

unfortunately i see the series gettin the unfortunate clichee of dbz...with the search for the 7 remaining demons..(search for the 7 dragon balls)...i dunno i will continue to love the series..and i don't mind the dbz comparisons and similarities..but i swear if there is like 1 person actually reserected to be good alive and well..then i dunno..death is a part of this series..and i don't mind seein naruto gettin his ass handed to him..but come on with itachi goin teh blindzors we can't really say much cause the whole situation has changed if his eyesight is as poor as kakashi hopes.

so i think thats why kakashi is so confident..but all it takes is for a slip up on kakashi's part and to look at itachi's face ...then he is screwed..unless sakura knows how to counter the mangekyou sharingan illusions..i mean hell chiyo knew alot abotu teh uchiha's maybe tsunade talk teh sakura a ting or twoz.

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Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
although then again Y, you were one of those people who took some of the more random details presented in the series seriously, am I right? Like the part about Gai being better than Itachi? I shouldn't be surprised about you taking the blind eye thing literally, in that case

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yeah I am so silly for taking Gai's statement "I can work around the Sharingan" seriously.

[img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

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unfortunately i see the series gettin the unfortunate clichee of dbz...with the search for the 7 remaining demons..(search for the 7 dragon balls

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This is a stupid fucking stretch of a comparison.

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Originally posted by: sangai
unfortunately i see the series gettin the unfortunate clichee of dbz...with the search for the 7 remaining demons..(search for the 7 dragon balls)...i dunno i will continue to love the series..and i don't mind the dbz comparisons and similarities..but i swear if there is like 1 person actually reserected to be good alive and well..then i dunno..death is a part of this series..and i don't mind seein naruto gettin his ass handed to him..but come on with itachi goin teh blindzors we can't really say much cause the whole situation has changed if his eyesight is as poor as kakashi hopes.

so i think thats why kakashi is so confident..but all it takes is for a slip up on kakashi's part and to look at itachi's face ...then he is screwed..unless sakura knows how to counter the mangekyou sharingan illusions..i mean hell chiyo knew alot abotu teh uchiha's maybe tsunade talk teh sakura a ting or twoz.

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You are sort of going off on a tangent with the simularities right about now. 7 is just a number, it's not like they are gathering them to make a wish.

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Originally posted by: Y The Alien

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Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
although then again Y, you were one of those people who took some of the more random details presented in the series seriously, am I right? Like the part about Gai being better than Itachi? I shouldn't be surprised about you taking the blind eye thing literally, in that case

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yeah I am so silly for taking Gai's statement "I can work around the Sharingan" seriously.

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you're so silly for thinking that all it takes to beat itachi is to not look into his eyes [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

Where did I say that? Nowhere.

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Originally posted by: 2-25
This chapter was a total cliff hanger. I want more more moreeeeee!

And I don't think Kakashi has mangekyou either. He might have started some sort of sneak attack while everyone was talking though...(aka. his new technique)

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then what did itachi mean by "kakashi-san...you coulden't have...."
http://img250.echo.cx/img250/6931/109in.png

"Kakashi-san...you couldn't have possibly came up with a plan to defeat me" ?!?! ??!

or something along those lines [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

Sakura will beat tsukiyomi with her second personality. We all know it's coming, so don't complain when it happens.

Also it is almost certain that Itachi is degrading his vision since the word used doesn't mean vision metaphorically, it means it literally.

It can also mean that Itachi overlooked something, most probably about Kakashi, as Kakashi said something about Itachi being careless.

? what is the japanese word for vision failing metaphorically anyway? well, the more i think about it, the more it seems like kakashi is referring to itachi missing something concerning kakashi's sharingan. he makes that "how much has your eyesight fallen?" just as he shows his own eye.. and then i dunno.. the next shot of itachi's sharingan sort of seemed like he was using it to discern what kakashi did.. hence the next bit of dialogue "kakashi.. you couldn't have.."

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Originally posted by: Psyke
It can also mean that Itachi overlooked something, most probably about Kakashi, as Kakashi said something about Itachi being careless.

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No, it can't, because the word used does not mean metaphorical vision, it mean literal eyesight.

Like I said in my last post.