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I see the new ED title is "Northern Cross." I wonder if that is a jab at the bastardization of SDF that became Robotech. The second part of Robotech was of course, a heavily edited version of the series Southern Cross. I like it a little more than the previous ED, and the concept art is a nice touch too.
This episode pissed me off. For a number of reasons. We still don't know what's going on with Sheryl's illness. Is she getting better, or is she dying? The fever keeps coming back at the most random of times.
Then there's Ranka's complicity in this plan. It seemed like the last two episodes she was ready to jump to the pacifist camp, and now she's happily going along with all of it.
Sheryl on the other hand doesn't even seem to have a role in the series anymore. They were pushing towards the Alto-Ranka ending with his huge desire to protect her (now more competetive because he keeps losing to Brera), and Sheryl got a "assumed sexual encounter" and an almost kiss while he looked at her earring.
What's a Sheryl fan to do? They seem to be cutting out her role more and more, and I really don't see where she's going to come back into the story. Maybe she will continue to persue piloting and we can get an Max-Milia style ending for the two (though that's probably more in line with what will happen with Mikael and Klan). Even everyone on Frontier seems to have forgotten about Sheryl. She better seduce Alto fast and sire a brood from him or she won't have anything to do.
But I do like the SMS Owner's plan. Make travel fast, cheap, and easy so that everyone can keep in contact and live peacefully, making the galaxy a single community.
It makes me sad too, I see the ending going to Ranka's direction. About Sheryl's illness, Micheal noticed something wierd about her medicine right? He should make a move already, or else Sheryl might die
Proud to say that I just began watching SDF Macross. Hopefully I'll be done with everything to do with Macross in a month's time or so, and be in position to start this series.
See you guys when the time comes.
"lets put a smile on that face" *cough*
the episode was ok... not one of the best but ok.
The new Aimo song isn't that good because I don't like the music but it has very good new lyrics.
so, Alto got promoted eh? cool.. and the galaxy-fighter seems to get mass produced now! very cool too, because they look more agile and much better than Alto's unit.
I request a .gif from that security guy getting a kiss from sheryl... this was one of the worst scenes I've ever seen in macross... the face... and then his hand getting closer to the kiss-spot, it looked so horrible funny.
There was only one VF-27 wasn't there? I thought I saw two, but then I couldn't find it again, so it could have been Brera zipping around. As of yet, I'm still thinking whether the whole of Galaxy's in this scheme with Grace, or if it's just a few selected individuals who are going askew with their budgetless experiments.
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these are the VF-27, or not?
Apparently while no one was looking a squadron of Galaxy fighers joined up with the Frontier fleet. They could have come from those ships that were rescued back in the ep where Sheryl and Ranka did their Fold Space duet and Macross Quarter blew up that capital ship Brera was hiding in.
I'm also distressed about Sheryl's diminishing role as well. Unless her illness is discovered and addressed I think the most we can hope for from her now is a tragic death that has a meaningful impact on the other characters. I don't see anything else that could happen involving her being given much more attention.
Oh no... I love Sheryl... I hope they don't kill her off.
Does anyone know what this is?
Macross Frontier E01 Close Encounter 720p BluRay x264 - THORA
It's big, @0.98GB
Will check
Well the file is gigantic, but the quality is Fucking A, it's worth it if you got a 2560x display 28" plus otherwise, just don't bother you won't see the difference because your monitor won't keep up.
Guys, standard displays (19" to 24") not keeping up, sheeeiiittttt.
So..........can you tell us what it is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Inazuma
First ep of the series
Macross Frontier Episode 1 in ultra Bluray Hi Def
Oh, okay. If it's the deculture version, I might consider it should I save enough quota up.
Blue ray huh? Im gonna watch it on my CRT Flatscreen monitor. lol
Ugh, this episode only convinced me we need a lot more Klan/Mikael. Klan was so cute in this episode, particularly when she got discovered fixing her hair, and when he dropped her on his lap and she starts blushing.
We have not had nearly enough Klan overall.
Are those eggs on the Quarter or somewhere hidden on the Macross? They kind of look like the same critter Ai-kun is. We knew from the Research Fleet Macross vessel that the Vajra have a lot more forms than the two or three we always see.
Though we might be better off calling them Borg-Zerg.
This episode was a huge homage to episode 18 of SDF-1.
[spoilers of SDF-1]
- Roy Focker in SDF-1 was also the leader of Skull Squadron.
- The scene where the techs look into the cockpit is pretty much the same, the only difference being they show all the blood.
- Claudia in SDF-1 also makes a mean Pineapple cake. (You can see the similarity in their names despite Bobby actually being in Claudia's bridge position.)
[end SDF-1 spoilers]
Damn... they really had me thinking Ozma would die in this ep.
4 times actually!
I rewatched Ozma's "death scene" a couple of times over. It sure would have worked out well if he did bite the dust, but no complains here. I sure hope this means we get to see some more Ozma x Kathy. I'd love to see the look on Leon's face when he learns he lost to a mere pilot.
Plot moves yet another step, with Mikael putting the pieces of the puzzle together, while Grace is about to learn her unfortunate truth. Luca's rather passive role just got a bit more interesting this episode. Sure, he's good natured and all, and seems true enough to his friends, but he's now got his family business to think about, with the discovery of the Fold Quartz. I'm expecting him to end up siding with Alto, but there'll be some backstabbing before that I'd think.
As for Grace, lets say I didn't think they'd take we to a literal level.
I personally thought that the way they made it look like Ozma was going to die was very well done. I just couldn't be sure whether it will happen one way or another, and I like how they concluded it by breaking the cliche of developing a character then simply killing them off.
It was actually funny since they knew that it was such a buzzkill at the end when Michael was like "It would've been such a dramatic death, too."
Oh man, I can't say how much I love that new Galaxy squad with their huge beam-canons...
definitively the coolest unit so far.
hmmm now we have an opening with Ranka and a ending with Sheryl...
but for some reason I feel like Ranka has the upper hand... poor Sheryl :(
Sheryl's popularity is doing down hill in comparison to the Songstress of Hope. If she is to make a comeback in her career, she'll need to become something equally figurative. Perhaps Ranka's singing may be somehow ineffective in the future, and it's only combined with Sheryl's singing (plus the Fold Quatz earing) that they finally defeat the Vajra.
Random speculation.
I hope she doesn't....and takes Alto while Ranka is distracted supporting the war effort!
From the looks of the preview, Sheryl is going to be considerable depressed if Grace outright tells Sheryl that she is a total failure and the only reason they were using her is because they hoped she might have had the same effect on the Vajra that Ranka does. Or that's my guess anyway. Sheryl needs to find her place in the galaxy again.
On the other side, we also know that Mikael was asking Klan about her pharmacolgy friend. He played it off that he wanted to date this reportedly attractive blond, but it looks more like he will ask her what the hell is in the pill of "medicine" he swiped from the stash Grace was feeding Sheryl.
Here's the part that confuzzles me...
Varja are ever adapting to the battle scenario gathering new info and redesigning themselves because of it. Varja have fold quartz within themselves. It is that fold quartz that resonates with Sheryl and Ranka's songs (Sheryl because of the earrings and Ranka presumably because she has it within her... glowing purpleness when she was close to the queen... further explaining why Aiku likes her). How does the song somehow affect the fact that the varja have modified their armor? They may act stupider and more erratic but in the end they will still be able to withstand the barrage Frontier and Galaxy veritechs are throwing at them. I could only see the veritechs having an advantage if they plan on hand to hand combat from now on... which is highly doubtful. Plus, you'd think the varja would adapt by some kind of fold quartz dampener to put around themselves.
Edit: The more I think about it... the varja are using the fold waves for communication so dampening wouldn't make sense. I guess the songs scramble the signals from the queen which is why their fighting and movements become more erratic. Still though... that shouldn't affect their armor.
Use the song to disrupt their movement, then surround and destroy. If none make it back, the rest will not know about the new weaponry and it's counter.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtallography
xtallography's edit is correct. They said in the last episode that the vajra communicate immediately. Most of them report on how they were attacked as they are destroyed. Ranka's songs cut them off from that hive mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
We haven't seen them fight with Ranka against them after they got the new armor though.
Judging from the encounter of sheryl and her assistant, Sheryl must have an idea about her assistant's conspiracy. she gave that "look". Michael should tell Alto about the drug. He may do something to prevent Sheryl from dying,,
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Macross Frontier 18 - gg
did anyone have problems with gg's episode 18? It keeps badly hitching at the OP.
I have problems with the OP on everything gg does. Code Geass and Macross, every time. It has something to do with their karaoke for the OP's and their encoding.
Anyway, I hate the remix of Aimo (and knowing Macross, we're going to be hearing it a LOT, I got just as sick of My Boyfriend's a Pilot) and now that they are more openly comparing Ranka to Minmay, I dislike her even more. I hated Minmay throughout SDF-1, and Ranka is souring for me really fast.
It is funny that Sheryl always boasted her appeal was she her being 100% natural, and she was a manufactured idol in more ways that one. Grace's little organization planned it all, temporarily fixed her, and pulled her literally out of the gutter. Personally, that raises the appeal for Sheryl that much more. She's not some amnesiac about the whole thing either, she knows all about it.
What's really pissing me off is how much Mophead Asshole seems to be toying around with the government. We don't know what he's after still, and he comes off as the biggest slimeball. Worse, we know that he is being manipulated by Grace's cadre.
On a lighter note, Cathy with arms loaded with bags, and Klan's tiny child-sized labcoat were hilarious. Klan hasn't been much of an aviatrix lately, we haven't seen her in a Quadleun since her silent-flightmate died.
It was a good ep. At least they explained the Sheryl health situation clearly enough. Plus, it's good to see that Michael is aware of Klan's feelings for him although it was funny that his explanation as to why he couldn't say anything to her about it seemed to go over her head (no height pun intended).
Like Ryllharu, I am just getting tired of ranka and the Aimo song regardless of the version. Also, it seems ranka's singing had very little affect on the actual fighting going on in the sense that the varja were still immune to the conventional weapons the SMS and Frontier military were using. It's a shame that the Frontier's military branch has been reduced to canon fodder in the series while the veritechs from the Galaxy (well the purple at least) appear slightly invincible (for now).
They have to know that any time ranka sings after the long range fold that it acts as a homing beacon for the varja (even if they didn't have some tagging along in the bowels of a ship somewhere). Eventually the varja would find them all again.
It seems quite unreasonable their whole selection of possible weapons would over time become useless. Wouldn't that mean the vajra are accumulating new armor layer by layer? Logic dictates they become likewise bulkier and heavier with each change, thus slower and easier targets all in all, unless they drop immunity from the other end, making again some older weapons usable. I'm sure the humans and Zentradi possess an endless variety of weapons already. And considering their combat vehicles, it should be a piece of cake to equip any manner of weapons, or even change them in the middle of a battle.
It just disturbs me the vajra are presented like some masters of adaptation while humans (and Zentradi) apparently can't change or develop anything new. Except new fold drives and clandestine plots. If I'm not mistaken, Alto still fights with the same kind of totally ineffective low caliber machine gun that we saw in the very beginning when the one hapless pilot got killed. Why the heck hasn't he got a decent new main gun?
Well, I guess it's all because Ranka is their new piece of artillery so it doesn't matter what kind of sticks and slingshots they swing around...
Its science fiction. They can do whatever the hell they want to. Heck, they could say that the Vajra are the same size and mass due to "fake scientific fact X" and it would satisfy your irk. Same thing with Alto's bird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
The really funny thing is that you question those two plot devices, but ignore that RANKA'S SINGING MAKES ALIENS STUPID. But of course, they already explained that bit with a thing about folds in space and magic. :P
@Kraco - the armor does not need to increase in size or thickness. Think of it in terms of better material. A thin titanium plate is both lighter and tougher than a steel plate of the same dimensions. I guess that is how it works in this case.
I do understand your complaints though, since it is not really due to the factor of believability but the gap between humans and the vajira in terms of adaptability.
I don't buy a material change either. Because from what we have seen, the human and Zentradi machines are made of rather weak materials. Since they are supposed to live in the same universe, it makes no sense the vajra would miraculously develop a new uber material resisting everything old and new every month whereas the human and Zentradi can come up with nothing new. I mean, if that was the case, the humans would surely collect vajra corpses from the space and cover their fighters with pieces of them...
I can see the "Vajra powered fold engines" plot coming. It sucks, MF sucks, I wanted this series to go In Fuego a while ago but now it goes down the Naruto's Fillers Avenue.
Aimo song makes me skip ahead, and considering how much that song is fucking played this episode lasted 460 seconds for me. How about Ranka NOT singing, and plots not being made out of bullshit composed alloy ?
Macroos Frontier is basically reduced to a simple equation [Japanese MTV + Anime = Macross Frontier]
Repeat song a few thousand times w/ nice visuals props, insert commercial in the middle. There you go, CommerciAnime, Hello.
I'm not sure, but aren't Vajira semi-organic? Maybe they are simply evolving their armor, so it does not need to exist beforehand (like mined metal) and can be perfectly new (meaning new organic substance, not a new element) since it is produced in reaction to the attacks. It may be similar to a spider web, which is stronger than steel (I think) with identical dimensions.
I guess the reason the Macross side isn't salvaging stuff from space is because they can't use it. They are studying the vajira, and if it were possible, they would have made use of all its abilities if they could. We can't really be sure anyway.
Not only that, but humans have to deal with the cost of mass manufacturing, energy shortages, and design limits. This isn't even touching resources yet. Galaxy's that advanced because of an unlimited budget, and from what we can see, Frontier doesn't have that luxury.
I can buy the fact that Vajra can adapt to different weapons and stuff. Like Shinta said, it's an ever evolving process, not simply slapping one on top of another.
The only thing that seems unreal is the pace at which te aliens evolve. They're accelerating something that is a long but entirely possible process to less mere weeks/months.
Anyway, I enjoyed this ep quite a bit. I'm still not entirely sure of what Sheryl's disease state is like. Can she be cured? The thesis was about management and prevention, while we're not sure if that technology is entirely confined to Galaxy or not. Mind you, it doesn't mention cure, but seeing both divas in the OP is promising.
Fixed it for you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
It seemed to me that a V-type infection was something like Lyme Disease or Chickpox (but obviously a lot worse than both, fever the entire time). Something that you can never truly get out of your system but isn't contagious by normal means. Something she contracted from living in the gutters.
For whatever reason, the Nome family, Grace, and what looked like Ranka's mother were involved in treating the disease through research. They had made some progress, but only got as far as supressing the symptoms. They in essence made something like the AIDS cocktail. But after that, they didn't make any progress and Grace went off on whatever plan this is.
If Klan was right, they made huge progress, and it's possible to cure her, just not with the technology they have today.
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I'm liking Klan more and more with each episode. She gone from simply an annoying chibi in my books to, well, a cute one. I'm also assuming that just has Sheryl heard Alto's words, she heard Mihael's. This is first time I've noticed her with two different hair colours though. Can she change it at will or something?
No she has always had pink/blonde hair. While she is preforming I'm sure there is some kind of technology that makes it look like she has other colours then that.
I was referring to Klan. She always blue hair, but at the end she had green. I thought the green + clothing was quite cute.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin
That was just the lighting. When Klan and Mikael were looking at the sea lions at the marina (btw, wtf?) it was midday, and the "sun" was the usual bright and full spectrum. At the end of the episode, it was near sunset, and the "sun" was considerably more yellow. The considerably yellow light cast on her normally blue hair gives it a green hue. We've seen a similar effect with Sheryl's hair in different lightings as well, and I am not counting the holographic effects when she is performing.
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I figured Ai (the pet) was Vajra, though I did not expect it to be a larvae. We haven't seen any other forms of exobiology that were not already on the frontier (the hippo-cows or the chimera). Even the planet that Ranka, Sheryl and Alto went to, that was later destroyed, only seemed to have plants or small forms of Vajra.
But that in itself is strange, because Brera gave it to Ranka. Since the Grace Cadre has known about Vajra for some considerable amount of time, I would have figured they'd have known all about it. Brera is probably watched as close as anyone other than Sheryl was and Ranka now is.
It's not looking too good for Sheryl. Despite all the positives towards the Sheryl ending while she was at the Saotome mansion, it doesn't look like Sheryl confessed or anything, and now Ranka will run off...and inevitably Alto will chase her. Ugh. Now it looks like they are either going to turn Sheryl into a repeat of Alto's mother, or at best, some kind of a "big sister." Here I was hoping that we'd get to see another, "protagonist ultimately picks the more emotionally mature woman" like how SDF-1 ended. It just makes me angrier and angrier at Ranka.
Which is a bad thing, because I tend to like the songs from Megumi Nakajima (Ranka) more than the ones from May'n (Sheryl). With the notable exception of Northern Cross, the new ED. Though I still hate the militant remix of Aimo, but I like the acoustic version.
Ai being a Vajra was near confirmed a few eps ago, but is that thing we keep seeing an entire nest on Frontier?.
One other thing that came to me about Sheryl. We've seen the flashback of when Grace picked her up from the slums of Galaxy. I am going to assume she was homeless and "adopted" by Grace to be a test subject, to later be a famous diva. Nome was probably the surname given to her by one of the scientists (who was also a Nome). That leaves the question about Sheryl's only family memento, for all we know, the Fold Quartz earrings.
Who's where they, what are they for, and why does Sheryl wear them? I can't possibly see Sheryl scavenging the lows of Galaxy while in possession of those earrings.
I think the earrings were given to Sheryl so that her singing would resonate with the fold waves in space and affect the varja. She was intended to be the original weapon against them until Ranka was confirmed as the "little queen".
That's true, and seems to be the most likely answer. We saw the effect once before when Alto still had one of the earrings (that Grace/Mophead somehow reobtained). The end of Sheryl's farewell concert where Sheryl and Ranka both sang Infinity and that allowed Alto to escape death and save Luca.
But I suppose the part that remains a mystery is which of the scientists gave them to her and why she cherished them so much. Sheryl certainly doesn't like Grace now, but even in the beginning it seemed like Sheryl did not view Grace in any special way outside of being her very useful, competent and multi-functional agent.
Since the scientist and project leader Mao Nome adopted her, she undoubtedly treated Sheryl in a way that a gutter orphan never would be. Going from eating garbage to gaining a kind mother-figure and being treated well (all the researchers in the picture from eps 18 are female) would probably make quite the impression on her. It also seems like Mao Nome was one of the oldest researchers, so she may have died. Sheryl would certainly keep them safe if someone who was very much her mother/grandmother gave them to her. If Grace had an alterior motive out of it, then all the better for her to stay close to Sheryl.
In fact, it's possible that Mao Nome was THE Mao Nome (from Macross Zero). The research project took place in 2053, which would be 55 years after Macross Zero took place (since Macross SDF-1 starts 1999). From the looks of the photograph, 10:16 in eps 18, the ages would be about right for that. It also looks like Ranka's mother was there...a Ranshe Mei.
To Sheryl, they may just have always been a keepsake. To Grace, they were the beginning of her cadre's plot.
Oh man, i wish they would do something about the "face-animation" sometimes... the series is nonetheless *great*, but I totally dislike that... because it looks sloppy and poorly made. It's as if they didn't care about how it looks in the end and wanted to finish it as fast as possible... I find that really annoying.
They made really nice background images.. and beautiful characters and then, in the next second, they decided to give them a face like "( *_* )" out of the blue and it looks like some 5 years old drew them
edit: btw will the new opening be avaible @ gendou or somewhere? I totally like it.
It's scheduled to be released on 20th August according to Nipponsei's schedule. It should be up on Gendou soon after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Where was this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
There have been fragments of the approximate shape/size of the Fold Quartz Sheryl's lost earring was in either Grace or Mophead's hands after episode 6, where Alto saved Luca. I think Grace had it first in eps 7, where they showed her holding it in hand.
Mophead kept it in a little box on his desk. This was well before they started actively bring Vajra corpses back.
Hmm, I might have missed that. Since they're fragments though, any chance that they may be simply Fold Quartz extracted from the Vajra bodies they've been collecting?
Who's? Sheryl's originally or the one that I'm claiming Grace had reclaimed and may or may not be the same piece (presumably grabbed by Brera)?
They are certainly extracting Fold Quartz now from all the vajra they kill, they spoke all about it and showed scenes of VFs towing vajra carcasses back to the Frontier. That's how Mophead had all the shards to give to Luca.
As for Sheryl's in the first place, it seems to me there's pretty strong evidence that Ranka's mother and Grace had been involved in Vajra research for a long time. They had to have found the pieces that went into the earrings somewhere, and the government aboard Frontier certainly knew about the Vajra before they attacked the first time. Even the SMS Founder has a ring of the stuff.
They=Leon&Co, but I missed the second half of your post about it all happening before they started dragging in corpses. I don't think Grace had the same piece that was in Alto's cockpit. After all, that mothership was annihilated by the Macross Cannon.
I agree that Grace would have known about the Fold Quartz, about extracting it and all. Given how advanced Galaxy is, she probably knows a whole lot more. What's still not shown yet is whether the Vajra are an alien race, or one created either intentionally, or by mistake by Galaxy's scientists (or the 117th research fleet).
Grace knowing about Ranka tells me that she was on the Research Fleet that Ranka's parents died on, indicating again that her plot goes way back. If I remember correctly though, Grace was saying something about starting wars and all on Gala 4. It just seems a bit of a bloodthirsty/barbarian idea for a researcher like her
Oops, the last several posts should refer to episodes 7 and 10 respectively, not 6 and 7.
But Alto's VF blew up long before they used the Macross Cannon on the Vajra Carrier. Brera had been hiding inside the carrier for as long as Alto was inside it, and only saved Alto at the last possible moment and possibly only when he heard whatever resonance was coming along the fold quartz from Ranka and Sheryl. More than enough time to snag the shard from the explosion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Now for the proof. One of Grace's alter-egos meets with Leon (Mophead) to initiate their totally evil plan. In episode 10, 11:19, he asks what they want in return for the data on the Vajra. Man-Grace flicks a tiny case over his/her shoulder, and contained within is a shard of Fold Quartz, the exact cut of Sheryl's lost earring.
As for Ranka, I agree, but I think that Grace's group thought the "Little Queen" was dead along with the rest of the Research Fleet. They only rediscovered her because of her budding idol status.
As I watched the new OP, I noticed they have Ranka and Sheryl singing side by side through most of it. Are they trying to tell us, them singing together, plays an intregal part of the story? Like a way to finally defeat the Vajra with the 2 of them singing?
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Originally Posted by Shadow Skill
That's what I think. Talking about the OP, I realised from the position of Sheryl's dress, her nipples shouldn't be hidden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
thats not necessarily right... they might slip out sometimes.. but the dress should barely hide them ^^
interesting change of topic btw
A corset really keeps boobs well in place. You really have to move them quite a lot to have them out without untiying the corset ;)
Regarding Sheryl's problem... V-type infection. My hard working brain tells me that V stands for Vajra... does it?
And for some reason the quartz she wears has the infection quiet. She probably needs both for the infection to be totally quiet. One is missing, she gets symptoms.
Following this idea, yes she needs to team with Ranka that will have some kind of control over the symbiosis Sheryl needs to have with the infection.
Yes now we know the Vajra are nesting on the Frontier. The strange thing is that no one noticed their activity/presence. Maybe they are deep down the dump/trash place which would give them material to feed/grow. But to me the Frontier is a closed ecosystem where everyhing is recycled, so it's hard to think of garbage or things that can't be recycled, but the vajra would be able to use for their growth/nest.
Regarding klan, she mentionned the fact that in her zentran form she could be of some appeal to Mickael. Well just do it :D
Yes...corsets are lovely things, even on animated women.Quote:
Originally Posted by David75
I believe Klan read that the research had only produced a way to mask/hide the symptoms, and the drugs that Mikael provided to her were a part of that treatment. So yeah...it's a virus very much like the various strains of herpes or chickenpox (except chickenpox doesn't come back). The earrings [right now] appear to be completely unrelated to her illness, and seem to have more sentimental value than medicinal. The pills she was popping were the key.
Sure, Klan could go full meltran (yes...I like to differentiate the terms because the Zentradi didn't seem to even realize male/female were the same species in SDF, much less procreate), but methinks Mikael might have a problem with intimate relations with a giantess. Kinda like throwing a hotdog down a hallway.:p
[though we have all seen hentai that shows this is not that big of a problem]
I did not get my hands on hentaļ material displaying intercourses between a giantess and a "normal" sized man... but did see some material anyway (not labeled hentaļ due to the source and culture). It"s funny and I like the idea, as an idea only.
Regarding the illness, sure my guesses aren't backep up by strong details in the show. The ear ring was a weak one, but could apply if V-type is Vajra-type and those quartz are so important. Anyway, we should know quite quickly since it seems to be a one season show (at least for that timeline)
I never said that "V-type infection" doesn't mean the V stands for Vajra. I'm not sure either way on that. In fact, it probably does lean in that direction given the two assistant researchers involved in the project. Grace and her cyborg cadre certainly know more about them than they should, and if Ranshe is Ranka's mother, we know for certain that her research shifted to the study of Vajra, or at least ended up that way with all the material that Alto passed by while in the Research Fleet Macross vessel.
Did Ranshe look anything like the woman in Ranka's vision when she was captured in the big mothership?
From episodes 14 and 18 respectively:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8...5220ml2.th.png
Feel free to draw your own conclusions.
While I think that perhaps the Vajra were just using the image of the human they knew best to project into Ranka's head, I think the evidence is fairly conclusive the Ranshe is the same woman who led the research aboard the lost Research Fleet. I believe we are fairly certain from episodes 13 and 14 in addition to the tidbits Ozma has given us that the woman who led that research was Ranka's mother.
Seem like they're the same person to me. Meanwhile:
[Nipponsei] Macross Frontier OP2 ED2 Single - Lion [May'n & Nakajima Megumi].zip
I didn't realise it was both the OP and the ED in one until I posted this. Double the hearing pleasure. Enjoy.
This series is really starting to get good. I am a little confused about the term "deculture" though as it seems to be appearing a lot. What is "deculture"? (Maybe translates as something else in other subs).
"deculture" was an Engrish word they used in the Japanese dub of the first series. It seemed to be more of a blanket concept for culture in general, and was never overtly explained.
The two genders of Zentradi did not even live together, and only ever thought about war, nothing else. Music confused them, cohabitation alarmed them, and kissing put them into a huge shock. The people aboard the Macross used these against the Zentradi as weapons, confusing some, converting others. "Deculture" was used more often when were using it as a weapon, though it also covered the general culture that humankind had.
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Towards the end of the show, drama and action escalation...
Somebody hasn't been doing his job when a whole army of vajra had been breeding inside the ship, undetected. There were a lot more vajra than people there, in the end! The fleet apparently has no maintenance department.
A wicked episode otherwise, though. People dying left and right.
Yup, as I mentioned before, those ships are close ecosystem. Such a mass of vajra should have warned someone in some report, because this mass is taken from the system as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Plus they were on a very restricted ressources use not long ago, such a large use of ressource should have been seen.
This is why I've always liked Macross series more than their Sunrise counterparts (Gundam, Geass, etc).
They both share countless numbers of random deaths from all the no names, but when primary characters are strung between Atropos' shears, they mean it. Deaths are permanent, always. There's never any moments that might dilute the moment, or cast any doubt that they are dead. Be it bleeding out on a couch, blown up into tiny shreds, or impaled then covered in gore then a little burnt and experiencing the joys of explosive decompression. Macross characters do not come back from the dead. Each and every death means something.
...god I hate Ranka. The preview makes it look like I will hate her even more.
I don't hate Ranka at all. But I hate Alto for being so dense and keeping both the girls in torturing uncertainty.
I just had to watch that twice I thought it was so good.
I think Alto has made his decision. His interactions with Ranka seem more out of duty to the ship/fleet than anything else at the moment whereas when he's with Sheryl it appears to be out of more genuine emotion. Plus, I'd hope that Michel's situation would make him realize how short life is. It will be interesting to see what kind of role Klan has in the next couple of eps.
It was also good to see that Ranka's songs can have undesired affects on the varja if her own negative emotions get in the way.
I think we could at least make Macross Frontier an honorary member of the series in Fuego.
Regarding Klan I now have mixing feelings for her future in the show.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtallography
Will she die quickly fighting as a dumb seeking death.... or will she make it alive so that she can suffer Michel's death for a long time....
I certainly didn't expect Michel to die, but he did was to go, I do think this would be the best. Now that this has happened, I think something like this may also happen to Ozma, leaving Kathy with a final confession.
Good episode, though it didn't quite get my emotion up, for some reason. Maybe Diamond Crevasse just isn't sad enough.
With that preview she obviously goes berserk. And thank god Diamond Crevasse was GREAT because I was at a point where if I heard Aimo again I would just Alt-F4 the damn thing.
I would hope that those eyes mean a loathing hatred and deadly focus and accuracy rather than berserk spraying. If she lives, it'll be good to see her carry Michel with her in spirit in the form of a deadly sniper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inazuma
Yeah, I hope she doesn't become death seeking-ly reckless even though that would be the easiest route for the writers to take. Deadly sniper Klan would be an awesome alternative though. The preview definitely showed vengeance in her eyes. The plus side is we'll get to see her fight at least for one more episode.
The real question is going to be how do Ozma and Kathy prove that mophead actually killed the president versus having him just say that the president died in the varja attack. Even worse is how do they stay alive when he does take control. A man willing to snipe the president certainly isn't above killing those two off.
They don't have to prove anything, though, if they just make sure the president won't be the only high official who got killed in the vajra attack. That would also be a lot more satisfying than any official way of handing the issue.
I liked this episode... even though it was extremely sad at the end I had to laugh at the last picture saying "See you Space *Play*boy" ^^
now that I think about it, the similarity is really astounding :)
very nice stuff we got to see this weak.. I just wonder what they are going to do now? the vajra now know where Frontier is.. seems like war they can not win.. if a few vajra larves can do reproduce themselves to this level, then I wonder if it is actually possible for them to ever win this war.
or at least live in peace
I'm less happy about the Ranka/Sheryl x Alto situation. Now that Sheryl has rediscovered her joy of singing just for the hell of it (and her career may end on the rebound if anyone survives) I'm really hoping this won't turn into a Ranka ending. Because it looks really bad. Aside from her health issues, the scene in the bunker might be construed as a tie up for Sheryl's character development. She's returning with renewed vigor.
On the other hand, Ranka's signing doesn't work because she is upset.... T_T
Now if there is any chance that the Frontier can be saved, it means the reason she's upset and full of negative emotions needs to be reversed. Of course, what is she upset about? Possibly losing Alto to Sheryl. Ugh. That means that Alto will either have to make her realize that he loves Sheryl, and it's nothing to be upset about....or kiss her and say how much he likes her in order to make her happy.
So why would I be pissed about this? It's not because I like Sheryl more. It's because I really can't stand that Ranka gets to be utterly selfish just because it is the only way to keep the entire fleet from dying. Even if Alto is wishy-washy and the timing of this is all his fault for possibly not telling Ranka off sooner (if it is the case that he likes Sheryl more), Ranka gets the opportunity to be even more selfish than Minmay ever was.
You must be carrying some really old and heavy grudge, Ryllharu. It's now established that Ranka's singing only affects positively when she's excited and full of hope. The effect is rather negative if she's feeling the opposite. That's a cold, "scientific" fact with no way around it. And it has nothing to do with how selfish Ranka is. It's highly unreasonable to say Ranka is evil because she's devastated after seeing, seemingly, Alto and Sheryl together in such a fashion. She had finally realised why she likes to sing so much and with so high spirits, and finally gathered the courage to tell Alto. And then she finds Sheryl in Alto's arms. How the heck was she supposed to react? If she had reacted any other way, her love for Alto wouldn't have been real in the first place.
While I could have taken either coupling, I still like Ranka more. Sheryl was so cold, proud and superstar (and bitch, I'd like to say) in the beginning that she lost my interest. She's been considerably better of late after she realised she loves Alto and is not just using him as a toy. But honestly it's utterly strange to call Ranka selfish when you have that kind of Sheryl next to her. Ranka was peeking at Alto from behind a corner while Sheryl was pushing him around as much as she could spare time from her more important businesses.
Well atleast Sheryl didn't serenade him with love songs practically confessing to him in a concert.
@Kraco:
That's not really what I was implying. What you said is all well and good, and mostly if not all true. The problem lies in what kind of position Ranka is now left in. If she was more like Sheryl acted in the beginning of the series, she could easily turn around now and say, "I don't know if I can save everyone, it hurts so much! [she did actually say this much.] Alto-kun, you'll have to show me how you truly feel [blackmailing Alto into leaning towards her.] or I just don't think I have it in me to sing happily!"
We all know that neither Ranka or Sheryl would actually do that in this sort of situation, but that is still the position Ranka is now in.
As for the whole Minmay-Ranka connection, it's mostly how stupidly naive Minmay was, without ever realizing or accepting the consequences of her own actions and how she dealt with the protagonist. Ranka at least carries that same stupid naivette, but she jumps to more conclusions. Sheryl on the other hand, is far more like Misa. Though Sheryl is a bitch and likes to play around with Alto (it is important that she is doing so intentionally rather than naively) when a serious situation arrives, Sheryl is far more mature and doesn't let her emotions get too much in the way.
Lastly, for the coupling, I'll always prefer the tsundere character to the moe character.
Amen, Amen, Amen on that last statement.
If Alto did not try to convince her, Ranka would not have started to sing in order to stop the Vajira. Granted it had the opposite effect, but that consequence was unknown at that time. If Alto just left her there and Sheryl did not slap some sense into her, she would have let hundreds of people die just because she is hurt and jealous. Wow, she isn't selfish at all.
Ah, well, I have to admit that is true. No matter how emotionally distraught she was, that was certainly bad by any reckoning.
I would agree in cases like Sheryl who is a strong character with a prickly exterior, but when the tsuntsun is just a defense/covering mechanism to hide a character who's simply a weak personality I find tsundere tiring (Louise Françoise).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
In any case, while Ranka is certainly lame for flipping out, we can't forget that she's a traumatized teenaged girl with abandonment issues. I think we make this mistake a lot in anime, just because some 16 year olds can bear the fate of the world on their shoulders we shouldn't expect that to be the case with all of them. I wish she wasn't so weak, but I can't really hold it against her that she is given her age and background.
Michel went out in suitably badass fashion though so props to him. But what were the designers of that base thinking? The Micloning process seems to be somewhat delicate, yet they put the machine in a room that is adjacent to space...
If the ship was going down I hope they have Zentradi sized escape pods.
I can't wait to see rage-Klan though, should be awesome.
I will still hold it against Ranka, since she managed to sing just fine after being slapped. Being slapped and lectured is not exactly life changing, which means she could have sung all along, but chose not to because she feels "used" and hurt. It is not as if they are asking her to risk her life at that point. All she had to do was sing to save lives, not go into a robot and battle with monsters. And the reason for her being unable to sing is so lame. So what if she sees Alto embracing Sheryl? What does that even confirm? She simply let her insecurities take over instead of fighting for what she wants.
Yes, she is weak, but not normal teenager weak, but lame-ass weak. Shinji Ikari, who also had issues about abandonment (and younger), had a tougher time but people (and lots of them) held it against him and called him a crybaby and a wuss for being afraid of being torn apart and burned to death inside a gigantic human form (which btw almost happened several times). Ranka is obviously worse.
And much good did it do to force her to sing. It only make the vajra angier. And that's a valid point if you hold what happened against Ranka. Had it been her choice, at least the attack wouldn't have escalated. So, her lame-ass weakness was actually protecting the place, and Alto and Sheryl were worsening the situation. Real heroes.
Reasonning and feelings aren't the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Being able to take the right decisions and act accordingly is difficult enough for anyone... it becomes utterly difficult when under stress or feeling related state. For a teen it's double worse. It's not the same part of the brain that reacts.
Being able to make the best possible choice with a clear state of mind, while caught in a personnal love quagmire is impossible when it's your first time being in love...
She clearly said she was fed up. She wasn't confused, or unsure of what to do. She just didn't want to. Two choices, with one being the obvious winner. How hard could it be?
I also know that singing with emotion is difficult if you don't carry that emotion, but whether that will have an effect or not was unknown to Ranka and everyone in that scene, so it is a non-factor. As far as everyone knew, she just had to open her mouth and spout some Ai-mo stuff to have an effect on the vajira.
@Kraco - you are looking at it in retrospect. It doesn't matter what actually happened, since we are talking about Ranka's choice based from what she knows at that time.
Perhaps, but I only said that after your post for a very specific reason. The thing is Ranka's initial choice was not to sing. Alto and Sheryl's choice was that she should sing. That's the basic setting. Then Alto and Sheryl forced Ranka to change her initial feeling of not singing to singing after all, and the result turned out bad. So, objectively thinking Ranka was correct in the beginning but Alto and Sheryl made her change the correct feeling of not wanting to sing into something worse.
Ranka being not any bright lass, in the end, she should have listened to what her gut feeling was telling her and not sing if she wasn't in the right mood for singing. But nah... Alto with the density of depleted uranium and Sheryl the bitch knew everything better.
Shinta is right. Kraco, your reasoning would work if Ranka knew what the outcome/influence of the varja would be if she sang while being upset/distraught/however you want to put it. At that point, everyone just thinks that Ranka singing = varja cool down. So it's only natural that they want her to sing even if she didn't feel like it.
We (the audience) are fortunate because we get to see the cause and affect. Kathy and Osma have no idea that it's Ranka's singing that caused the escalation. They just got to see the varja get angrier. Whether everyone gets together to compare notes and figure out that negative emotion singing Ranka = angrier varja we'll have to wait and see.
Her reluctance to sing did know it will be no good. Not that such reasoning is worth much. Of course had I been there myself I'd have encouraged Ranka to sing (but I'd certainly have understood what went wrong as my density is only at the level of lead and not DU).Quote:
Originally Posted by xtallography
Well, in any case the reasoning here is like that of a commander who's explaining why an operation he commandeered against the will of his men went wrong.
Wasn't Ranka just as surprised as Alto and Sheryl that her singing was having the opposite effect? The only problem on her end from her own mind was she didn't feel like singing because she was depressed. After Sheryl slapped her into action, Ranka thought it would work too.
That's pretty much given. Her main interest in singing for battles probably was the idea it would help Alto in his fighting (and generally she would contribute to the defense like Alto). I doubt she was thinking much else even at that point, and all in all she's the kind of good girl who likely would do anything she's told to do (like wear idiotic costumes publicly). Even if she now thinks Alto and Sheryl are together, Alto meant so much to her that I doubt she wants him to start to hate her, so there was no other choice but to sing in the end.
Meh, I'll respect the 24h spoiler ban even if I didn't enjoyed the ep that much.
It was a stupid episode. But I suppose it was necessary for the bigger plot.