That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime: Tensei shitara Slime datta Ken

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Originally Posted by KrayZ33

That's what I'm saying.
I can completely and 100% understand his reasoning and why he does it.
He needs the "sacrifices".
It's just that this action is not the "good" choice. It's not what we teach our kids, if you want to call it that.
And I sure as hell hope that he knows this and won't turn into a big-fat hypocrite - that is all, because it's unbearable to watch someone who thinks he's rightous all the time, condemns others that aren't, and then acts like that himself when the first inconvenience shows up that is problematic to solve.

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I do have a feeling Rimuru wanting to kill all those people on his own wasn't only to be sure he's going to collect the souls but also so that none of his underlings would need to bathe in blood. His wish for a peaceful coexistence was, for sure, genuine, so what he's doing now is not something he will be proud of.

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Originally Posted by MFauli

Murdering 20000 people or some gamble to resurrect his friends. Yeah, maybe he simply doesn't get to do that?!

He made a choice. And it's an evil one.

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War is evil business. It's all about maximum death and destruction. The only sliver of justice in that affair is on the side of the one who didn't attack but defended. However, it changes nothing about the need to kill. Ironically the attacker is the only one who gets to make a choice, the defender is forced into it.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

War is evil business. It's all about maximum death and destruction. The only sliver of justice in that affair is on the side of the one who didn't attack but defended. However, it changes nothing about the need to kill. Ironically the attacker is the only one who gets to make a choice, the defender is forced into it.

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Depends on who has the upper hand.
If I get attacked by a 5yo kid, I don't have to retialiate by using my fists.
I can just hold him in place until he behaves himself again.

This choice, or a similar one, was open for Rimuru too. He is *that* powerful.
This is why I think talking about the cruelty of war or whatever is so pointless in this anime and the whole scenario is already flawed in the first place.
When it comes to fighting power, individual character are what aircraft carrier *fleets* (everything included, even logistics) or nukes are in ours.

Wars between nations don't have to be as bloody in Slime's universe, it's a match between individuals, everyone else is just a victim.
For the sake of this anime, we can ignore all this and pretend that 20.000 soldiers mean something and are a threat, but it's really killing all the "immersion" (for a lack of a better word) it has. Or rather, this whole massacre did destroy basically everything and everyone but the strongest of the strong, became completely irrelevant.
Numbers, the economy, it all doesn't matter now.
It doesn't even matter what monsters/people think of him. It didn't matter before either, the loyality they showed was way over the top in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

War is evil business. It's all about maximum death and destruction. The only sliver of justice in that affair is on the side of the one who didn't attack but defended. However, it changes nothing about the need to kill. Ironically the attacker is the only one who gets to make a choice, the defender is forced into it.

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And yet "war crimes" is a thing even irl and certain types of weapons are internationally banned from use.

Also just to make sure: Rimuru is the attacker here. He's not defending. Pls no "he's pro-actively defending their town" bs.

1. Humans attacked Rimuru's state and caused damages. The only way Rimuru can repair this damage is by harvesting 10K souls. That's just business. If the humans could resurrect people maybe Rimuru could sit on a negotiating table. But they don't, so Rimuru is restoring things on his own terms.

2. Rimuru isn't necessarily the most powerful being in that world and can benevolently wait for peaceful things to happen. Hinata nearly deleted Rimuru with some help from barriers etc. Rimuru needs to fuck these humans up, become a Demon Lord, rez his mates and continue being vigilant re: guarding his country.

The Krayz33 vs 5yo kid scenario doesn't hold up when the kid can cast Disintegration.

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Originally Posted by MFauli

Also just to make sure: Rimuru is the attacker here. He's not defending. Pls no "he's pro-actively defending their town" bs.

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Wut? Have you already forgotten the episodes where the assassin Hinata attacked Rimuru, a foreign head of state, and only left when she thought Rimuru is dead? At the same time Falmuth forces were massacring people in the Jura Tempest capital. In what universe is that not attacking first?

I'm actually starting to think you are just trolling now.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

I'm actually starting to think you are just trolling now.

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Right back at ya.

Rimuru had the choice to strengthen the town's defense or to officially announce that he's going to war. A sneak attack against weak soldiers minding their own business is not defense, it's an attack.

I insist on that, because at this point Rimuru is, at least to a good degree, evil and not a white west-hero.

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Originally Posted by MFauli

A sneak attack against weak soldiers minding their own business is not defense, it's an attack.

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How do you sneak attack an invading army in your country? Ambushing one sure but the nuance of the comment kinda make it sound like he went out found the army minding their own business, on a hiking tour, bonding, doing teamwork exercises and just decided to massacre them. For the record I'm just arguing against your choice of words.

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Originally Posted by KrayZ33

There is basically no country worth mentioning north of the equator that doesn't have nuclear weapons.

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Wow...lot going on in THAT sentence...

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Originally Posted by KrayZ33

They deserve a peaceful solution just like any other. These are soldiers and not the rule-makers. They are victims too when they are lead to certain death unknowingly and with lies.

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Ah yes, the old "just following orders" Nazi soldier argument. Because soldiers have no obligation to ensure their orders are ethical before carrying them out.

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Originally Posted by KrayZ33

It's just that this action is not the "good" choice.

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It's not the "goodest" choice, but it damn sure isn't evil either.

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Originally Posted by MFauli

Also just to make sure: Rimuru is the attacker here. He's not defending. Pls no "he's pro-actively defending their town" bs.

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Complete horseshit. They are an army IN THE PROCESS OF INVADING. Their advance forces were STILL BESIEGING HIS CITY! He is ABSOLUTELY defending.

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Originally Posted by MFauli

Murdering 20000 people or some gamble to resurrect his friends.

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20000 people, on their way to murder his entire country. Fuck...them.

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Originally Posted by MFauli

Right back at ya.

Rimuru had the choice to strengthen the town's defense or to officially announce that he's going to war. A sneak attack against weak soldiers minding their own business is not defense, it's an attack.

I insist on that, because at this point Rimuru is, at least to a good degree, evil and not a white west-hero.

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Which ignores that he also has the objective of resurrecting his people... at the price of the nation responsible of killing them.

And sure, let's go with "soldiers minding their own business" LOL.

And who cares about being a "white west-hero" anyways?

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Originally Posted by DarthEnderX

Wow...lot going on in THAT sentence...

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You think so?
Not really.
The countries that could actually field an army for war do all own nuclear weapons.

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Ah yes, the old "just following orders" Nazi soldier argument. Because soldiers have no obligation to ensure their orders are ethical before carrying them out.

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Not sure why you play the nazi card. These people probably fought monsters in the past and know that they are usually beast that kill and slay their fellow comrades, families and protegees, so it's easy to influence them.
And even Nazi soldiers don't deserve to die when the alternative is to let them live, so I don't get where you are comming from in the first place.
So much for your "justice"

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Originally Posted by Munsu

And sure, let's go with "soldiers minding their own business" LOL.

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Right? "Just sitting here...minding my own business...on my way to SLAUGHTER A CITY FULL OF PEOPLE. *whistles innocently*"

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Originally Posted by KrayZ33

You think so?
Not really.

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Well, the two main ones are:
A. Implying that half the planet doesn't matter in a discussion about global politics.
B. Trying to cherry pick your argument by excluding the entire half of the planet that makes your argument stupid nonsense.

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Originally Posted by KrayZ33

Not sure why you play the nazi card.

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Because they are literally the ones who tried to use your exact argument to justify their evil actions.

You're marching on a city to murder all of the civilian population there. Being told to by someone doesn't absolve you of that crime. And it DAMN sure doesn't prevent those you're trying to kill from killing you to stop you from doing it.

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Originally Posted by KrayZ33

And even Nazi soldiers don't deserve to die when the alternative is to let them live

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The ol' post-WW2 war crimes tribunals disagree with you.

Also, congratulations. I didn't think it was possible, but you've managed to dethrone MFauli as the worst person here by defending Nazis.

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Originally Posted by DarthEnderX

The ol' post-WW2 war crimes tribunals disagree with you.

Also, congratulations. I didn't think it was possible, but you've managed to dethrone MFauli as the worst person here by defending Nazis.

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Actually they don't.
Since you were talking about Nazi soldiers, I'm assuming you are talking about Wehrmacht soldiers.
Which is what these soldiers are in comparison.
And what do the WW2 tribunals even matter.
The death penalty is not a thing where I live, and it shouldn't be a thing anywhere.
It's unethical and pointless to boot.
But I guess it exists in Japan, which is where Rimuru came from.

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Well, the two main ones are:
A. Implying that half the planet doesn't matter in a discussion about global politics.
B. Trying to cherry pick your argument by excluding the entire half of the planet that makes your argument stupid nonsense.

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there is maybe like... one(?) nation south of the equator that holds something like "power" in the global market or globally in general.
The "south" doesn't own nuclear weapons, that's probably why it's the "shithole" it is and the rest of the world sees to it that it remains that way. Are you telling me these countries are stable, rich or even secure? Most of them don't even have a stable goverments. So it's not complete nonsense at all.

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Originally Posted by KrayZ33

It's unethical and pointless to boot.

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Guy-who-defends-Nazis opinions on ethics worth absolutely nothing.

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Originally Posted by KrayZ33

there is maybe like... one(?) nation south of the equator that holds something like "power" in the global market or globally in general.

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And how is that at all relevant to your stupid fucking statement of "A country without nukes can't exist in a world where there are nukes". Which you then had to walk back to "Has nukes, or is allied to someone with nukes". Which is ALSO blatently false. So you then had to be like "Well, all of those countries that don't fit my argument don't count."

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Originally Posted by KrayZ33

that's probably why it's the "shithole" it is

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Fuuuuuuuuuck. Yoooooooooou.

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Originally Posted by KrayZ33

Are you telling me these countries are stable

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Hey guess what dipshit. Most countries in the North aren't stable either. Not even the ones with nuclear weapons. Watch the fucking news.

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Originally Posted by DarthEnderX

Also, congratulations. I didn't think it was possible, but you've managed to dethrone MFauli as the worst person here by defending Nazis.

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Then let me reclaim that throne: You are wrong when you accuse ALL WW2-German soldiers of being evil and doing wrong (besides the fact that war is always wrong, ofc). Most nazi soldiers were no differnt soldiers than in any army at that time, men given orders by superiors and being forced to execute those orders. The most gruesome nazi shit was done by a relatively small elite. But that doesn't excuse it, ofc. However, you are wrong when you think that the German soldiers fighting at the Normandy coast were "evil" - they had the order to defend the coast line, just like US soldiers had the order to conquer the coast line.

And clearly "they could have just not execute an order" is easier said than done, otherwise we wouldn't have wars even today. And when the alternative to executing an order is being killed by your own superior, that's also a choice that, while not hollywood-style heroic, is absolutely fair. Kill someone else or be killed? You go try make that decision, Darth.

To circle back to Rimuru: He chose to attack these soldiers. He made zero effort of diplomacy. "But they already attacked the town!", yes, so? That happened when the leader was away, so now that Rimuru is back, he could have tried to negotiate. But he doesnt and the only reason is because of a shitty plotdevice outta nowhere aka "yOu CaN rEvIvE dEaD pEoPlE". :/

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Originally Posted by DEX

Watch the fucking news.

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And the language. That's to everyone.

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Originally Posted by MFauli

To circle back to Rimuru: He chose to attack these soldiers. He made zero effort of diplomacy. "But they already attacked the town!", yes, so? That happened when the leader was away, so now that Rimuru is back, he could have tried to negotiate. But he doesnt and the only reason is because of a shitty plotdevice outta nowhere aka "yOu CaN rEvIvE dEaD pEoPlE". :/

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Yes. That's the point.

Rimuru has to kill 10K people to get his companions back.

And when a marching army game his way, he thought "Thank God" at the solution. The guys who killed his nation are sending him a solution (not that they know it).

How do you negotiate with humans to "rez my nation or give me 10k souls to do it with."?

You can't. But they did the damage. So unless you're going to let your people down by letting this go, you start grinding those souls.

Aye-aye, Captain!

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Originally Posted by MFauli

Most nazi soldiers were no differnt soldiers than in any army at that time, men given orders by superiors and being forced to execute those orders. The most gruesome nazi shit was done by a relatively small elite.

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They were still aware of what that elite was doing. The holocaust was not a secret in Germany. But they continued to fight FOR it. That makes them culpable.

It's no different now. If in America, you think you're a good cop. But you blindly defend your fellow cops, no matter how bad they are, then you AREN'T a good cop.

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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian

And the language. That's to everyone.

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But I need my sentence enhancers!

The holocaust WAS a secret to most Germans, wtf Darth. It's 2021 and most people dont know about Uighurs, Kurds or Bergkarabach. And that's with internet.

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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian

How do you negotiate with humans to "rez my nation or give me 10k souls to do it with."?

You can't. But they did the damage. So unless you're going to let your people down by letting this go, you start grinding those souls.

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Originally Posted by MFauli

The holocaust WAS a secret to most Germans, wtf Darth.

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Lol, yeah, all those "secret" televised Hitler speeches.

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Originally Posted by MFauli

It's 2021 and most people dont know about Uighurs, Kurds or Bergkarabach.

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Most people in the world. Not most people IN THOSE COUNTRIES WHERE IT'S HAPPENING.

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Originally Posted by DarthEnderX

Lol, yeah, all those "secret" televised Hitler speeches.

Most people in the world. Not most people IN THOSE COUNTRIES WHERE IT'S HAPPENING.

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let's get back to topic. clearly you dont know a lot about german history. If you believe, Hitler televised citizens about the Holocaust ... pls educate yourself.