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When Orochimaru resurrected those two their eye werent gouged out. Itachis were removed from him. Doubt Edo Tensai restores his previous body. And also for Nagato dident Madara mention removing his eyes too? If thats true those wont be a fart in the wind anyway.
The Madara casket theory is okay, but I'm hoping its the Sage of the Six Paths. He was strong enough to seal the Jyuubi away, so that would TOTALLY wreck Madara's plan. From a strategic trump card perspective, that would do to get Madara to negotiate.
The First Hokage is an okay choice too, since the Senjutsu are supposed to be able to stop the Uchiha jutsu.
There's no reason for the Sage of the Six Paths to be kept a secret or for Madara to be concerned if Kabuto tells anyone. Same goes for Madara's brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopdeville
You have to remember, Kishi kept the casket hidden from the reader, not just the characters. The reader already knows the connection between Madara and his brother, and the story of the Sage of the Six Paths. There is nothing to be gained by hiding either of those from the reader.
you don't think The First and The Second are untouched and unspoiled by the ravage of time and nature do you? Their body's would have been decomposed or mummified. But they could be brought back with arms legs, eyes and everything. They where COMPLETE. Not two mummy's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logrus
So why wouldn't Itachi be complete also? After all he still had his eyes at the moment of his death. Or are you saying that it's different because someone removed his eyes after death, rather then letting them decompose? Or is it a time thing? If the eyes are removed a certain time after death they won't count anymore. If so how long is the time frame? 1 hour? 1 day, 1 week, 1month, 1 year?
That sound like a weak theory to me. Like a ninja technique would "know" the if it was a man or if it was nature that destroyed a bodypart. As far as i can speculate would be that either the summon brings them back from their prime, or from an image by the summoner (if the summoner remembers them a certain way they come back that way), or from the moment of death.
if you ask me, i think this whole thing is one giant plot hole. I don't really think Kishi has thought of these things.
Not to mention it said the Nidaime died in a battle as a decoy to protect Danzou and Sarutobi's group. Yet he was completely intact.
Can't recall it saying anything about the Shodaime's death however.
The bodies are recreated from the bodies of other sacrificies (such as the sound genins that Oro used). Probably doesn't matter what the state of the original bodies are in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logrus
Anyway, I think Konan took Nagato's body. The reference you speak of might have been a mistranslation, and actually meant Madara still needed to go after someone who is still living and possesses the rinnegan. In which case.... THAT might be the missing link in my previous theory that another rinnegan user can show up to soul-steal the edo-tensai bodies.
Agreed on everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by TwisT
So you think the Kages wouldn't try to make a deal with Kabuto if they knew he controlled the strongest ninja ever? A ninja they KNOW can seal away the Jyuubi? Basically permanently? (remember, Sarutobi had to seal the First and Second's soul in hell to kill the resurrected bodies. They wouldn't die, otherwise. The reason the Sage split the Jyuubi was that the seal he made wasn't strong enough to keep it in one place after his death...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidnne
Yeah, there's a reason for Kabuto to keep the Sage of the Six Paths quiet from the other characters.
Regarding your "meta" point about the structure of the narrative: don't underestimate the cheap thrill factor. They introduced the Sage of the Six Paths as the strongest ninja in the world, ever. Guess who would end up fighting him. Gok... I mean, Naruto.
Anyone think that Kabuto is gonna try to take Sasuke's body like Oro did?
I stand by my post back in 2008. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Psyke
Come to think of it, unless Tobi is a Madara imposter, the last casket can't contain Madara's corpse. Edo Tensei resurrects the person's soul/chakra, and puts it in a body made from a corpse and dust and clay. Whether Madara has a body or not is irrelevant to that point -- he still has his soul/chakra.
How would that work though? Don't the bodies wear out after about 3 years or so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Psyke
The caskets could've just been the bodies without souls, until Kabutoro activates them. In which case, he would immediately gain control over Madara.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopdeville
Well, if it's the soul/chakra that matters (and that's how it seems to me), there's no reason to use Madara's corpse. And also, if Orochimaru could have ripped the soul out of Sarutobi, I don't see why he would bother with resurrecting the other Hokages in the first place. (Yeah, he said he wanted a battle. I guess that's fair enough, but it makes Orochimaru dumber than I thought)
Sarutobi's original body would have to be dead first, which is the case for Madara, we believe. No one thinks that Tobi is Madara's real body.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopdeville
Okay, sure. So I take it that you think Madara is an incorporeal "ghost" of some kind? Or do you think he has a (that is, some) body? Either is plausible, considering his space-time jutsu and the fact that he has only been shown fighting chakra creatures. If it's the latter, I still don't see how having his corpse would help, for the reasons I posted above.
Personally, I think that Madara is still using his original body, and that his space-time jutsu has kept him young -- via some mechanism like having stopped existing in "our" space-time for long periods of time. Heck, if he phases in and out of space-time quickly enough, he could be "flickering" faster than "we" could see, and presumably age at a significantly reduced rate. For a real life example, consider that fluorescent light bulbs are OFF more half of the time, despite it looking like it's on 100% of the time (to us). The flicker is faster than our eyes can react to. If Madara flickered that fast, he would be out of our space-time (and so not aging, I presume) more than half of the time he was "alive" by normal standards.
It's not like Madara looked like a kid when we saw parts of his face. He looked comparable to Danzou when we saw him.
Tobi is obviously Obito, and the real Madara is in the coffin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam98034
I'm just joking... I really have no idea at all. My initial reaction was that it was Orochimaru.... for some reason. That or one of the hokages.
I think you got the right theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Tobi is actually Madara's brother posing as Madara.
The one in the casket is the real, dead Madara.
Some storyline will come up where instead of giving his eyes to his brother, he changes his mind, kills him and takes his eyes. Then he pretends to be Madara (cause the Uchiha clan expects Madara to be the one with two eyes). That would be pretty easy to do with his level of Gengetsu.
Would be a whole new storyline in how Madara was actually a "good guy" and that the clan had high hopes for him in that the clan praised Madara and shunned his brother...thus having the cycle of hatred continue...in that in reality it was Madara's brother that hated the Senju clan and not Madara himself...Quote:
Originally Posted by CapsuleCorpJX
i think that the body in the casket might not be the 4 th and that it is actually the sage of the 6 paths.
also when naruto speaks to yondaime when he goes 8 tails the 4th says that he sealed half of the fox's chakra inside of naruto,
so madara might locate the other half of the foxs chakra