How do we know that it didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
All of Rimuru's ogres were probably unique badasses to begin with. For all we know, the orcs are exactly as strong as a generic ogre.
Well, Gabiru's plan did revolve around hit-and-run tactics and not going toe-to-toe with them. So that might be exactly the case, that without the webbed feet, the orcs couldn't catch the lizardmen and make use of their superior strength.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Yeah Gabiru had field advantage and used it very well despite his inflated ego. The orcs had to bog through that swamp which great reduced their movement. And we don't know if what they eat is permanent considering they will be constantly hungry perhaps it's more like a temporarily skill that they get.
Gabiru is a skilled warior. I liked this fight a lot. But the oponent is too powerful.
Gabiru is too green (pun intended :cool: ) to become a leader, if he ever shows/develop the qualities he needs to lead his fellow lizardmen.
Regarding the ep, it felt like a Xmas event with lots of eye candy power attacks.
But a quick estimate tells me we are under 20k orcs defeated.
Next ep will maybe tell us exactly where we are.
Or Rimuru wins and we don't even care :D
They wouldn't become as strong as ogres. They just gain certain traits from the enemies, but they don't become their enemies. They are still stupid weakass orcs.
I just wonder if izards are inherently weak or it's just Gabiru. He' named, yet still super weak compared to even a named goblin.
Gabiru was named by a weaker being compared to Rimuru.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
And Gobuta is not the weakest Hobgoblin either, at least he's special regarding his affinity for magic.
Still Gabiru showed great prowess in his fight against the Orc General. We do not know how Gobuta would fare against the same enemy.
Also Gobuta fully used the surprised element against Gabiru.
Episode 14
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https://i.imgur.com/k2kfL1c.jpg
The true hat of a gentleman.
Those boobs were too much, lol.
Man, i love those lizard people. They all got such a goofy, innocent aura to them. Couldn't stand to see them die for real (ugh, at least one was eaten by orcs ...).
I'm extremely glad Rimuru switched from auto- to active-battle. That auto-mode was some bs and had it been the end all, it would have greatly diminished Rimuru as a character imo.
Oh and: noooo, Ganon is dead!
Man, I really am enjoying this series. It's so much like Overlord, yet the exact opposite at the same time.
I think part of the reason I like this so much, is because it's basically an idea I once had, come to life.
Of course, I imagined it as the plot of a Dragon Quest game and not an anime. I thought once "Slimes are the ur monster of the DQ series, what if the final boss of one of the games WAS a slime." Then I thought up the idea of it being a special slime that was created in some magical lab that escapes, and it can absorb other monsters, and can even take the shape and powers of the monsters it eats. The heroes have to fight it several times during the game until eventually it eats the big bad ruler of hell, and then the heroes have to stop it from eating God.
Now I wish I'd done something with that idea back when I thought of it.
Of course, having the slime be the hero is pretty fun too.
I feel somewhat differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Auto-battle mode meant we could see a variety of skills. Rimuru's strategy turned out to be Predator, which we knew about already.
Imagine every battle being auto-battle, showcasing new skills from Rimuru, compared to every battle being Predator vs enemy. I'd tire of the latter way more quickly.
Why didn't auto battle use predator if it would win anyway? Auto battle is the world's knowledge right? Risk would mean nothing if you knew the outcome.
Auto-battle has 2 downsides for me as the audience:Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
- it takes away agency from the hero? Why exactly do we need Rimuru, when just about any reincanated slime could do the same?
- This turned out not being the case (and it makes no sense, honestly), but: Auto-battle the way it was described implies that it chooses all the best options in battle. Basically, Rimuru either dominates OR he's chanceless. That's boring, too.
Seeing Rimurs operators reaction, I wonder if that becomes important in the future.
I didn't really like how he defeated that monster and I have to agree with MFauli, the autobattle mode was weird and I don't see a reason for it to be a thing in the first place. And while the darflames looked like they couldn't be extinguished, I was even more disappointed about autobattle using that "trap" with normal flames.
All in all that fight wasn't orchestrated to my liking, though I still believe we'll see better ones in the future.
The Orc-King flashback scene made little sense to me btw, maybe someone can enlighten me and explain how that illusion of a lush enviroment fixed the problem that the orcs have to return to their ravished homeland - I didn't quite grasp that nor do I understand how he supposedly took away their "hunger" - the orc-lord's, yes... but his minions, what will they do now?
Let's watch next ep, ok ?
The auto-battle only works for someone who has Great Sage. She took over.
I like that she was a little put out when he cut into her explanation. Cute gag.
What wasn't clearly shown in the anime, though it was there, but called out explicitly in the manga, is that this wasn't just Predator eating the Orc Disaster. The Orc King has green gas spilling out, devouring everything near him or in direct contact with him. That was what the Rimuru was referring to about 'your Devour versus my Predator.' It was the respective powers of two demon lords battling it out to consume the other. Parts of Rimuru were being ripped off and absorbed into the Orc King to regenerate him.
Eventually, Rimuru's will beat out the Orc King's. The orc king became a demon lord to save his people. That destruction was his sin. Rimuru promised to consume all that sin, as well as the sins of the orc king's people. That "satisfied" the orc king, and ended his hunger. With his hunger gone, the orc king stopped trying to devour Rimuru, and Rimuru consumed the orc king's body completely.
Auto-battle couldn't have run Predator that way. That took Rimuru actively controlling his regeneration while trying to eat the orc king. It was a willpower battle.
Actually, I read the light novel, and the reason Rimuru won is because Predator works on living creatures, meaning Rimuru is growing stronger as he eats the orc disaster. The orc disaster can only grow stronger after eating corpses, so it can't grow more powerful while Rimuru is alive.
Please see screenshot of the epub.
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This is a fact that Great Sage should know, since even Rimuru knows it, yet it didn't try to do it.
Also, in the very next page after that screenshot, Rimuru continues, "Talk about stupid. Think whatever you like, I've already won." So it wasn't a battle of wills at that point because Rimuru was assured of his win due to the difference in their respective skills. All the inner conversation nonsense is just background story for the faceless enemy to give it some depth.
Yeah, but why can't Rimuru uses a variety of skills himself? We've seen him do it, like when he first went up against the ogres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
I think it's just supposed to be a "I can't think fast enough to do DBZ style movement shit, but the magic computer can."
But I'm with the folks that don't particularly care for this. I like Rimuru to fight on his own. And I also preferred it when an enemy had to be dead(or willing) to be eaten by Predator. Otherwise it's a boring iwin button.
I'm fairly certain that Rimuru is just going to invite the remaining orcs into his civilization and they'll just move into the forest. Like he's done with every other race he's encountered.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
1) Why can’t Rimuru do what Sage does and use combos as well?
a) processing speed: Great Sage comes up with answers more quickly than Rimuru does, and
b) memory capcity: Great Sage will remember all skills, thus picking the best one. Rimuru is prone to forgetting skills as his repertoire grows, like most living non-genius beings.
That’s the primary reason to use Great Sage for battles.
Auto-Battle also isn’t dominate-or-win. Auto-Battle chooses the best action at any point it time. It doesn’t necessarily predict all events successfully, since that would assume that it has complete knowledge of the opponent’s abilities and how they would choose to use them. It also requires accurate prediction of environmental factors.
Even then, the “best action” doesn’t always net you a good outcome. Over the next 5 moves, I might have successfully landed a hit. And over the next 5, the best outcome turned out to be that I got away with having my arm chopped off instead of having my head chopped off.
These are real-time decisions as opposed to those “simulate every scenario and the winning one will play out perfectly”. Look at how Auto-Battle fucked up Orc Disaster’s fire resistance. That didn’t end up being “Dominate or Chanceless”.
Using Predator however, often gets you that result. Either you successfully eat them.. or you don’t.
I liked the dialogue between the two dudes exploring their motivations, but Predator as a skill is definitely nor more engaging than auto-battle.
Oh, one detail I didn't fully understand: Why could Rimuru so easily regenerate himself when Orc Lord devoured parts o him? Was that Rimuru using stored potions?
Rimuru also regenerated parts of himself when Hakuro cut him. I don't know about "easily".
They didn't go through whether Starve/Predator skills consume energy to use.
He's had regeneration since the very start of the series.
Back when he was still trapped in the cave he hurt himself smashing into a rock and took 10% damage, and a few seconds later, he healed.
EP 15:
For the Lady!
I'm mildly surprised at Treyni's support of this country, since building a nation doesn't exactly conserve forests - which you'd think would be her primary focus. The well-being of its inhabitants should come a close second.
What choice does she have? If she supports Rimuru, whom she knows can be reasoned with and who is looking after all kinds of creatures, not just his own like is usually the case, she can at least hope Rimuru would be willing to protect the nature as well. If she opposed the alliance and Rimuru, it would be just a big chaos. Perhaps she might hope the monsters would kill each others, or something, but that would be quite cheap after Rimuru saved the forest from the crazed orc horde. Treyni isn't looking only after the trees and treants, perhaps. Maybe she thinks the monsters are a part of the natural fauna. Certainly they ought to be better than to have humans take over, which might happen without the monsters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Why is 'she' in the ending? Rubbing it in that we lost her or spoiling that she's not dead after all? :(
I wouldn't put too much faith in the OPs or the EDs regarding appearances. There are characters and events shown in the first set that we still haven't seen.
Some far in advance of the anime, some far in advance of where the manga is right now, and presumably some up to date with the LN. Think of it more as fanservice.
Unless this series takes a really dark turn, it's kind of soothing how smoothly things keep going for Rimuru.
This is like watching a game of Civilization.
Or Warcraft. Befriend new monster, gain access to new unit type.
It's going too smoothly imho.
150.000 orcs and they still only have like ~20 buildings availabe. The numbers are so far fetched especially since he named every single orc - which means they will probably have similar names now like "orci, borki, torki, derpi".
I have no idea why they had to go overboard like that, these orcs would've been fine without names.
He numbered them in the light novel.
I think the orcs were distributed here and there in the forest, not the mass of 150,000 in a single place. It's also a really big forest, big like a whole country.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Naming them all indeed seemed totally unnecessary, even stupid, and practically impossible. Maybe name one in a thousand to have decent leaders among them to keep them in check. Sometimes the author just doesn't think things through, or makes Rimuru a character who doesn't think things through.
haha, that's actually funny. Too bad they didn't show that (yet) since that would flesh out Rimuru's character somewhatQuote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Ya, but 150k is a *huge* number... especially during medieval times. Going from basicaly a few thousands to this in mere days/hours is insane.Quote:
I think the orcs were distributed here and there in the forest, not the mass of 150,000 in a single place. It's also a really big forest, big like a whole country.
It's also insane to assume that they have the logistics to manage a population like that and distribute them "evenly".
The current refugee crisis is like 0,x% of that in relative numbers.
While we have troubles with a mere percentile (1 refugee every 10.000 inhabitants or something), they have to deal with a 100% increase in population (if you count the lizards) a 10000% increase (or whatever) if you don't... and I really doubt the pigs/orcs will live in the marches considering how they struggled moving in there.
I think this issue was brushed aside way to easily for the moment. It's not like they have the stockpiles necessary and ready. You can't just increase your harvest like that - no one would've been prepared for that.
I don't know if the author needs such a large population later in the story for something or if the author is thoughtless, but such is this story. In the end, it's hardly the first thing that would make little sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Those orcs will be cannon fodder so ...
I also can't imagine where they'll be getting their food from. These orcs already ruined their own land from all ressources. 150k orcs going into a forest to eat? Forest dead in 3 days :/
The migration issues IRL don't really apply to this world though. For one, they are all basically Rimuru's minions and will follow his every command, and their world has magic potions and whatnot. Magic can fix anything!
Also, large forests easily support waaaay more than 150k creatures. Just don't burn down or chop the trees needlessly. The largest forest in our world, the Amazon Rainforest, is about 15 times the size of Germany. Who knows how large an isekai magical forest is.
Large forest that are as large as half a continent, like the rainforest, maybe..Quote:
Also, large forests easily support waaaay more than 150k creatures.
Considering that the orcs traveled here on foot in mere days and the overall distance between cities we've seen so far however... no, no way.
How far was Dwagon away again? 3 days?
Well, as has been said, it's clearly not the only thing that made little sense... but it's strikes me as immature worldbuilding when they bring these numbers in like it's nothing special.
What I'm saying is.. I'm pretty sure this show would've been just as enjoyable, maybe even more so, with less inflated numbers. Even if an enemy in the future has a huge army, "huge" is still a relative term... meaning if the author wants to outnumber Rimuru's forces again, he has to go full USA level military again and all of a sudden, you are in the millions.
And when you are in the millions, it's even more annoying to see them perish with a snap of a finger (which already happened to the orcs)
Has it ever been mentioned how deep the forest goes? Do they even live in the center of it? Maybe it is a special forest that is huge and we haven't even seen the scope of it.
That said, I understand your concerns about the numbers, but then again, this is OP isekai. I wouldn't be surprised if they did start bringing in millions and pawning them with a single move.
It would be morally unfair to not name the orcs since other citizens are named. Being named as a monster is pretty much being granted citizenship to Tempest.
Dwargon was 3 or 4 weeks from the goblin village by foot. 50km/day for more than 20days, over 1000km?
They got there faster thanks to Ranga and co.
It's true that for naming, the idea of famillies/group/clan like Ranga and co would have been better. Each group gets a name and individuals get a second name they can decide for themselves (or given at birth). Pretty much what we have IRL.
As for resources, well it's possible Treyni helped with that. After all there are wooden buildings. So it's not unthinkable she tolerates some hunting, harvesting and with the help of magic you get a way faster forest/resources recovery.
I mean, animals in the forest eat other animals right? So why would Treyni be opposed to hunting for food?
Checked for the sake of it, 2 months or more by foot. Episode 4 time 05:13 so seems to be a pretty large forestQuote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Anyway, let's hope Orcs are put on birth control. Speaking of which: have we seen female orcs? *shudders*
The orcs are making up for the harm they caused to the other members of the alliance by becoming laborers. Building infrastructure. This takes the Jura forest from being a very tiny village to an industrial powerhouse. An aqueduct in three months?!
The roads are the gamebreaker, and should be the biggest reason that the dwarf king should be so interested in forging a trade alliance with them. Everyone coming into Dwargon was entering from the field. There were no roads.
Rimuru can send a group of orcs, self-supporting crews and family units, basically, in every direction in the forest to start developing the nation in a matter of months where it likely would take other nations a decade.
Lol, that's a fun detail that they should have kept in.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
I wonder if you get less of a powerup if your name is really shitty and has no thought put into it. :p
But yeah, if naming a goblin village knocked him out for 3 days, it should have taken him years to name 150k orcs.
How do you know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Looked more to me like it was some kind of drought or whatever that killed their land.
Fair, but then the writer should have had way less than 150k of the orcs survive the battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
I think he became much more powerful since that time.
I also think the quality of the monster being named matters. If you are a stronger race, the more energy you consume from your would be master.
Think it also highly depends on the quality of the person in combination with the power of the namer. Prowess, skill, strength all of that. Like how the orc became Orc King due to his naming and the others just became High Orcs.
An orc should be at least 5 times stronger than one of those puny goblins to begin with. A starved orc should still be at least three times stronger. Naming 150k should indeed have taken years with the breaks included. In reality I believe the author simply didn't give a shit about such details, but if I had to force an explanation, maybe Rimuru figured out a way to control the dose, and thus the orcs gained little from their naming power-up, and consequently Rimuru lost little, thus being able to keep going like a Duracell renaming bunny. Maybe he gave a few of them real names with real power, to serve as leaders.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
I mean, naming 150k individuals is bs from a simple math point of view, too: even if it took only 1 sec to name an orc, that's almost 2 whole days. But that's ignoring that it takes longer AND many breaks for Rimuru to regenerate.
I'm agreeing that the author probably didn't give a shit.
Regarding the mana needed to name many monsters, I'm pretty sure Rimuru gets mana from monsters he already named before. And as they evolve he gets even more.
Rimuru already has quite a number of monsters from hobgoblin to Kijins, probably giving him quite a margin.
After naming the orcs, he'll probably get even more mana for the purpose of naming.
As stated in the episode, Rimuru spent 10 days naming the orcs, got them all done in one go, and went into sleep mode for an unspecified amount of time after that.
And the names are like "Yellow-683M" and "Yellow-683F". They are precisely pre-planned, 1 second names.
It takes more than one second to say 'Yellow-683M', unless you go out of your way, which you wouldn't be able to keep up for long. Also add the time it takes for every orc to come up to rimuru. Realistically, we're looking at at least 10 seconds per orc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
then naming monster would've no downsides and the goblins he named first more or less "warned" him and told him to reconsider.Quote:
Regarding the mana needed to name many monsters, I'm pretty sure Rimuru gets mana from monsters he already named before. And as they evolve he gets even more.
Oh no! My fantasy anime is so unrealistic!Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
If something like this seriously breaks suspension of disbelief for you, you might be better off giving up on all fiction.
Also, stop moving the goalposts. Get your complaints right the first time if you're going to criticize the logic of fictional work. Muphry's Law for pedantry?
I was also disappointed I couldn't really see the difference between Orcs and High Orcs.
I also couldn't tell of Lizard chief evolved into anything. He seemed the same.
Agreed, but there's no way Orcs are lower on the scale than Goblins.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
I mean, that's cool if that's the case. But it's not something they've established.Quote:
Originally Posted by David75
Also means, like, if you're a powerful monster, why WOULDN'T you go around naming as many monsters as possible. Yeah, it takes mana from you in the short-term, but it gives you a surplus of mana over time.
Seems to be bothering a few people in this thread, and is the first thing in this series to really do so. So I'd say this particular thing is dumber and less believable than previous things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
Fantasy being unrealistic is one thing, as long as you adhere to whatever made-up fantasy rules you put in place. This directly contradicts things that were previously established in the series.
If you can't even follow your own made-up rules, that's bad writing.
It is bad writing. It's a bad magic system as well. Definitely a continuity blunder.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
But ultimately, it is a math error. No worse or better than the production team screwing up and forgetting to draw someone's arm, or having two left hands.
My point is, if you're gonna bitch about the math, get it right. And if you're going to say something is unrealistic, at least cite the attempt the series made correctly.
The series has a soft magic system. They can make up all sorts of shit. It falls down when they try to treat it like a hard magic system.
"lol they done fucked up," is probably sufficient reaction.
16
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Jesus Christ, they absolutely don't want there to be even an ounce of tension in this story do they...
"We just immediately made friends with some loli that's 10x stronger than Rimuru, who was already OP."
I think it's really weird that some of the "dragonewts" turn into Lizardmen with wings, while others just look like humans. It would have made more sense if they'd just evolved into two different kinds of monsters.
Also an interesting development that you can overwrite someones name...with the same name? I mean, I could see it if he'd renamed him to something else, but just by restating his name, he's attached to Rimuru now?
I guess they have two separate evolution paths. I imagine the boosts they got were different as well. Kind of reminds me of Kumo desu ga, where the MC is given different kinds of evolution paths to choose from when leveling up.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Which is fine if that's the case, but they shoulda given them two different names.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Fun episode, but some lizard people turning into humans was bullshit. Different evolution paths? Let's be real: the author needed a way to lewd Gabiru's sister, that's all.
This is true.
Gabiru is still the best dude in this show.
The scene where the kings flew away and came back again just to drop off that reasearcher was super weird.... At this point, the author doesn't even care anymore how Rimuru gets useful minions, he just recieves them as gifts.
They should've dropped off the elven spy instead :(
We finally have an answer to why the Lizardpeople have hair.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
They're rushing through a few chapters of the manga, presumably many of the LN.
It's actually a real thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism
As for Milim, I took it this way. They're not relieving tension. Rimuru is using brainpower to beat her. Everyone knows who she is. She is a power feared across the world. She's also not someone you could take down by force.
Rimuru is from another world, making things with recreated technology/culture from another world. How do you beat something so powerful it can do pretty much whatever it wants, whenever it wants, and no one will stop it if it sets its sights on something?
Bribe it with something it has never had before, and has no idea how to create. It's still a gamble. Milim could have threatened them for more. She's simple-minded, but not stupid. Rimuru lured Milim into mutual cooperation.
The problem though, is not it looks like their nation is one of her vassals. Now we've ventured into world politics.
No, it doesn't, unless one wants to look at it that way. Perhaps those who know Milim by reputation but don't really know anything about Jura Forest might think so, but such lowly thinkers hardly matter. Those who know Jura Forest a little better, will look at it like an alliance and thus also getting mixed into the internal politics of the various demon lords. If they are on Milim's side, they obviously aren't on someone else's side. If outsiders knew more of Rimuru's existence, they might as well think he's one of the demon lords, as a matter of fact, because he's a ruler of monsters. So, it would merely be two demon lords getting along. In the end Jura Forest was always a forest of monsters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
Who is stronger, Lilim or Veldora?
I wonder if Rimuru will get a power upgrade and if so, how. She's t least 10 times stronger, he said. That's too much to overcome with mere strategy.
Do we know for sure the other guy ISN'T a spy though?Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
You're saying nobody thought to eat honey in this world before Rimuru showed up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
Let's be real here, this was a gag solution, not some intricate strategy.
Kinda curious as to why he's not one already considering Geld was a Demon Lord, and he ate Geld.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
I assume he'll get in a fight with a less-powerful, but more hostile, Demon Lord, and end up eating him. Possibly more than one. And each one he consumes will bring him closer to her power level.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
https://i.giphy.com/media/DP6efTzaBlYe4/giphy.webpQuote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I suspect that nobody has eaten the honey made from Jura Forest bees. They carry buckets! They must be quite advanced bees.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Nobody went into the Jura Forest because it was Veldadora's territory (sealed or not). That's very well established at this point.
There was the whole discussion between Milim and Rimuru where she questioned why Rimuru wouldn't want to be a demon lord. It's a title, and one that comes with at least some level of burden. Being attacked all the time for one. Maybe it is less so a power thing, because Rimuru is clearly already there, and more of a "notoriety" thing.
The other demon lords are curious enough to investigate, but since Rimuru has not publicly declared his authority, Jura Forest is still "free territory" to most of the world. It has been implied that while nobody would ever go there fearing Veladora, now that Veladora has disappeared, something much worse must be there.
Episode 17
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I feel like Rimuru is acting too humbly and without any weight. There would be humans, and especially monsters/demons, who wouldn't take him seriously. Of course he can later beat them, but he would save time, lives, and effort by giving a strong enough impression in the first place. It's a world of the past with demons around to boot, so the meek Japanese diplomatic front shouldn't cut it. It's not like appearing friendly and courteous would be morally wrong, but it's a question of how folks used to threats of war or massive monster attacks would judge it personally. It would too easily look either suspicious or unconvincing. It'd be a different thing if the whole world knew about Rimuru and were afraid of his power even before meeting him. Then no matter how he acted, nobody would dare to look down on him or the Jura forest.
Related to that, it's utterly stupid how he didn't punish the goons sent by the other demon lord, despite those fools attacking the town chief. Doesn't he send a signal that outsiders can do whatever they want in the town, and the worst that might happen is getting kicked out? He should have given them a thorough beating and only then talked with them. Or made them pay handsomely if they carried any gold or other valuables.
I just like the gag where Rimuru tells people, "Oh, and that's Milim."
They immediately recognize her, and freak the hell out, since it looks like Rimuru has subjugated or allied with one of the strongest Demon Lords, who is now casually eating a sandwich.
Milim must be pretty famous, unlike most of the other demon lords. Nobody had any idea who Shizu's demon lord is by name. Nobody knew who Gelmud was either.
They must shit their pants when she shrinks back after Rimuru threatens to take her food.
The worse that happens is that they get killed by Milim if Rimuru doesn't get there in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Except he keeps telling her NOT to do that. The townsfolk are lucky she's too impulsive to follow instructions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
In my opinion one huge problem with that is that Rimuru also does tell that to Milim publicly. It means outsiders will see there's little understanding, coordination, or trust between Rimuru and Milim. Can they even be called allies? Nay, I'd say, and it's visible to anyone with one or more working eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
However, considering the general level of writing of this story, I'm not sure the author even realises the existence of this problem.
I'm seriously interested in how the world actually functions considering the powergains and such.
Elgi, Dawi and Umgi have names - but they don't get power from being named as a baby?
That means they have to level up differently?
How do they gain power, by killing monsters?
Why does it work differently for them?
How do monsters gain power outside of being named... is it different from how it works for the "noble" races?
If not, shouldn't mankind be super weak considering monsters can level up by killing monsters/humans *and* level up by being named?
Because they're not Monsters. That's only how it works for Monsters.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Lol yeah.
exactly, so how come that humans are not completely wiped out.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
How come dwarves are not monsters but goblins are? Both are tiny humanoids, where is the line? Both live in their respective societies, both are sentient.
etc.
Monsters can be trained just like a human, so mankind should be vastly inferior to everyone unless they have more "talent" or something?
Because basic fantasy tropes?Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Dwarves and Elves and Halflings aren't monsters because 100 years ago, some guy named Tolkein said so.
In Tolkein goblins/orcs aren't "monsters" either.
They have kings and live in tribes etc.
But that's beside my point, my point is... how can mankind survive against these monsters and evolve into the powerhouse they are in that universe.
A dragon/demon lord can, on a whim, kill towns and castles just like that... and if he doesn't want to do it himself, he'll name 4 guys and they do it.
What is a hero or how does a hero come into existence.
It would've been cool if humans gain strength depending on which title they own, that would've been awesome. A Knight is @ the level of an Orc, a Pegasus Knight on the level of an High Orc.
The King is basically a demonlord of mankind and so on and each king can grant only so many titles depending on how strong he is etc.
I think the whole "monsters can name other monsters without any downside"-stuff is super boring.
The humans survive against the demon lords and monsters because they have OP hero(ines), like the one that sealed Veldora.
There is a big risk in naming monsters for every other monster. But since Rimuru is the protagonist, he gets plot armor.
This. There are very much downsides to the system. Rimuru is just deus ex'd to mostly ignore those downsides.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
What downsides?
The only downside shown so far is that the monster you name might kill you because he gets to be stronger than you at some point under certain circumstances
Other than that, nothing has been shown so far or even suggested.
I think the proof is that we've seen another demon lord name two monsters, and been decapitated and eaten by the latter of the two. That's a pretty big downside. So is repeatedly drawing the attention of other demon lords. Rimuru lucked out with Milim. It could have been the one who's agents were just thrashed around by Milim. They could have hurt or killed a lot of the Jura Forest citizens before Rimuru and the oni had time to intervene.
Rimuru inspires trust and loyalty. That's the big difference. Name them, look after them, give them a purpose and place to exist, and not just use them as pawns in petty power games.
Another point might be naming a monster takes a huge amount of mana/energy most namers can't afford if the monster they want to name already is powerful.
Rimuru already is off the charts in that category, as he can name some monsters that are considered rare/exceptional already.
Agreed. Rimuru is like a pile of mana. Other monsters don't even have the mana pool to name a monster worth naming.
This is the downside I was thinking of.Quote:
Originally Posted by David75
And if they drain their mana like Rimuru did, some random hostile monster can easily dispatch of them. Rimuru was lucky to be surrounded by allies when he fainted.
It wasn't really luck, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Luck is in the fact that when he is out cold, no threat is coming.
When he named the goblins, a Milim or an Orc attack would've been a major problem for example.
Incidents like that don't happen every day. Luck would have been a real factor if he had passed out in the wilderness. Instead, he fainted among friendly folks, who would obviously look after him.Quote:
Originally Posted by David75
Except he didn't know he would faint. He was lucky it happened the way it did because so many bad things could've happened when he was out cold.
He was out for 3 days, it's a very long time. He was lucky everyone around was still fearing Veldora.
But some groups were already lurking around since Veldora's aura had disapeared for quite a long time already.
Plot armor works well.
Rimuru himself put out Veladora's aura for some time. He learned to suppress it later, and only completely hides both Veladora and his own substantial aura now thanks to Shizu's mask.
Yet, Milim could still sense it. Down to pinpoint accuracy.
Episode 18
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That Carrion's underling guy was so stupid it's a good thing he personally got rid of himself, but it's a pity he had to do it in a way that inconveniences others. A rope and a sturdy tree branch would have been enough for him.
Rimuru needs to do something about those clown folks that just keep coming back to the Jura forest, causing trouble. He ought to burn down their circus tents once to see if that kept them in check for a while.
Yeah, this was a pretty boring episode.
I think maybe demons are just stupid...
EP19:
underwhelming...and once again extremely convenient
Yeah, this anime's ultimate failure will be it's unwillingness to show real conflict. Everything resolves itself with a Disney-esque happy end of sorts, and quickly so.
Really frustrating, because it's a goodshow otherwise.
What happened? I'm not actually watching because I'm waiting for the part I haven't read yet.
Milim did a One-Punch.
This show is like playing one of those historical/fantasy city building/minor defense games on Easy/Casual mode.
I just want to check because it wasn't clear, Great Sage said basically said that Rimuru at Charybdis' core off screen and it was being analyzed right?
Seems like the powerup he'd get from that should help him catch up to Milim.
I think the bigger issue is the other demon lord ALSO being totally cool and not a threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin
I love doing that. All I really want to do is build my base and max out my tech tree!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco