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Yeah, I already said that in my initial post.
My complaint is the same as Buff's. Why did he have to grab only one band? It would've been easier to grab all or at least a few of them because they were already bunched up.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Would be harder to pull off multiple at the same time -- more resistance.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Not for Midorya. Rip that fuckers head clean off!!
Neither of them are weak enough to be hindered by cloth strips...
Episode 19
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What a dumb fuck. No one is that dumb. The writer just had to do that because:
-Mr Hypnosis has to show off his power
-Ojiro has to talk about his power as a commentary from the grand stand
-Ojiro not telling Deku would appear mean, so he had to
-So the only way for the trap to work despite Ojiro giving advice was to make Deku into a dumbfuck speak.
Deku's one of the most intelligent, strategic minds in this show. The writer fucked up. All so Deku can walk to the edge of the stage and break hypnosis with sheer will.
Negatory.
Deku responding to one of his friends being insulted, especially for an honorable act, is perfectly in line with his character. Deku isn't going to stand still to that kind of shit. He finds value in everyone, because he's been that quirkless loser, and hates that kind of elitist stance. He got baited, because jerkface knows how to get under the skin of someone self-righteous like Deku.
Deku is smart, that's true, but he's also extremely emotional.
Emotional huh?
Ojiro gives him a rundown on the dude's quirk. Deku then spends an hr or so thinking about how to deal with this (as Deku does).
The guy then shits on your friend, and the first thing you do is speak? You had one job.
That's like.. cerebrum-can't-suppress-your-midbrain emotional. I call that being a dumbfuck, and it isn't Deku. Bakugo maybe.
That's the difference between Bakugo/Deku and Tadaroki right now.
They care.
You're also assuming that answering wasn't somehow part of whatever plan Midoriya came up with.
Ahhh...a straight up elimination fighting tournament. God bless 'em. I hope it doesn't get interrupted like 99% of anime tournaments do.
I agree with Buff. Talk with your fists if you can't speak normally. That scene made me cringe.
If that is the guy's only quirk, then Izuku doesn't need a plan. He just needs to rush the guy and beat him up. He is extremely athletic even without his powers, after all. And if that isn't enough, throw out a 5% punch, which should be enough to kill a person if it hits square in the head, so do a body blow.
The strangest part about this entire thing is how someone who can mind control people en masse if they just talk to him is in the general class...
Because he failed to get into the hero course?
But how can he fail with such an amazing ability? Just talk to all the participants before the event begins and use them to win...
Maybe he's shy.
His ability probably works only one person at a time. And probably has a long cooling time after being used on someone.
The way the entrance exam was structured, mind controlled people would still end up scoring points for themselves even if controlled to assist. I don't find it hard to imagine this fellow unable to place in the practical exam.
The ability works on multiple people as shown in the cavalry battle.
If he controlled a bunch of people to deliver damaged robots to him for a final blow, he would've passed easily.
Deku is a hopeless hero fan, so he likely grew up watching a thousand shounen shows. In every single one of them the hero and the villain talk and chat incessantly through all of their fights. Talking shit when he should be fighting is a second nature for him, undoubtly. I congratulate the opponent for realising that.
I guess Deku will do the traditional thing and break a finger or something to snap out of it. It's pretty common to use pain to shed mind control. At least I hope he'll do that much and not just rely on his shounen spirit alone.
HS - Episode 20
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Yep, this guy is dumb/impulsive/whatever-you-want-to-call-it. All for the sake of story - which went pretty much exactly as planned.
He should have lost as well, since he was essentially "immobilised". Ah well. Next.
I think you're dismissing it too much. As a mini-arc,, this is great. He has a horrifying quirk, said it himself, one that automatically makes people assume he can use it for evil. His looks don't help much in that regard. But he doesn't want to be viewed that way. He wants to use it for good, and he wants to be a hero.
The only reason he's not in the hero course already is because it is biased towards physical powers.
Just think about it, even if he doesn't go the hero route, he'd make an awesome cop. Criminals wouldn't be able to help themselves insulting him back.
He's much in line with Eraserhead. He just needs the right gear and skillsets to back up his power. He doubts himself, that's why he lost.
Yeah, Midoriya got off easy. But he is one of the most headstrong characters in the series, despite all the crying he does. He knows what he wants, and never looks back trying to get it.
Yes, the comparison to Eraserhead is apparent. He's a good guy. The bias was shown that even General Studies guys can be useful as well, just not in the traditional sense. Also yes to Izuku showcasing that he's slowly mastering his power.
The problem? The writer made Izuku speak in order to have this all happen. That's the problem.
Seriously, get any 8 year old off the street and explain "If you speak, you lose" to them. Anybody serious about winning your game won't speak, no matter how impulsive. Anybody who does is either intellectually impaired or decided their emotional outburst was more important than winning.
Deku is neither, but to make story happen he got written this way - in such a way that I could not suspend my disbelief.
Absolutely agree with Buff. There were more elegant ways to handle this. The random outburst was the worst of them.
For example:
1) The guy's power has some other condition, like touching the opponent, but that method has more limited use and can be broken by will power.
2) The guy intentionally takes a hit from Izuku and then pretends to be seriously injured. Izuku might just accidentally let an "Are you alright?" spill out because he thinks he's already won.
3) Make the taunting more drawn out. The guy should insult far more than just one random acquaintance, like Izuku's mom for example.
4) The power works on interjections, so even an "Ah!" from Izuku will get him caught.
None of these are that difficult to think of, and they certainly aren't the best excuses either, but they are far better than what we saw here.
Itīs so boring that half the season will be wasted on a standard tournament :/
And Allmight literally explained Midoriyaīs victory with "your feelings overcame the mind control". Great. Now weīre at the point where the typical shounen-power upgrade is used as a legit in-series explanation.
And it sucks double, because the idea was exactly what I thought. Using his ability to have his own body "explode" from power. But then he HAD TO mention that his plan didnīt come from himself, but an "outside source". sigh
Fuck you! Tournaments RUUUUUUUULE!!Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
To bad they never get to actually finish anymore. I can't remember the last time I saw a tournament in an anime that didn't get interrupted halfway through by some disaster.
You guys have forgotten during the pause between the seasons that Deku isn't wholly mentally stable. He has that small fragment of insanity within him. While it might sometimes give him extra strength as it would allow him to believe when all sane people would already give up, it also means he can't always control himself even as well as that random 8 years old from the streets. Thus, I can accept how it happened. I wouldn't with some other MC than Deku, but with Deku it's fine.
I can't think of any shounen hero that I would qualify as "mentally stable".
HS - Episode 21
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Uraraka's plan should be to make Bakugo weightless, let him think he can fly around outside (or throw him outside), then dis-engage gravity.
Tokoyami winning was a pretty big upset. I had him locked as some weak-ass guy.
As for Harden-vs-Harden, one of them must have had a real unlucky run in the entrance exam to miss out on Hero class.
Bakugo knows how to fly with his power and seems to have great reflexes. So trying to drop him out of bounds probably isn't the first thing to come to mind.
That is true. You'd only get one go at it. You'd have to bait him into coming close, then lighten up and freak him out into flying away from you for a second. He'd fly a lot further than he expected and would then reflexively turn down his trust. That moment is when you drop him to the ground by disengaging.Quote:
Originally Posted by David75
That said, it sounds unlikely since it Bakugo has no reason to back off. I can't think of anything else though, other than breaking off heavy tiles from the stadium and hurling them at Bakugo.
Rather lame episode, but itīs what you expect from the lower ranks. I wonder how pink acid-girl is planning to fight seriously, though. And usage of her acid would instantly disqualify her as a heroine, lol.
As for Urara, hm ... maybe she can invert her powers? So making Bakugo insanely heavy instead of making him lighter.
If she can make Bakugo lighter, it will become difficult for him to use his explosions as they would make him fly all around, due to the third law of machanics. He would every time need to compensate. It wouldn't be that much of a problem if he's right in the middle of the field, but if she can drag the fighting near the boundaries, it could mean trouble. Still, the problem is that she needs to touch the dude, but it's quite suicidal to get so near him. On the other hand she doesn't have that great offensive abilities. She's more or less limited to getting him to step (or fly) out.
It's weird Bakugo had such a murderous expression on his face. He should be looking down on Uraraka, but his grimace makes you think he was facing Deku or a mofo like the fire&ice dude instead.
Just a bunch of straightforward 1-on-1 battles? Fantastic!
Was not expecting weapon girl to choke like that.
btw im glad Falco won easily. It sucks that creation-girl had to lose, but falco is the coolest character with the most badass quirk, so im glad they didnt pull any shenanigans and had him lose.
For all her talk about requiring time to make her offensive weapon, it really didn't take much time at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Because it was a useless stick. I don't even get why she is sad. Her quirk is made for teamwork, not soloing. Just have Izuku buy time by vanguarding while she summons a Terran Battlecruiser.
But she made it anyway. I didn't get the feeling she compromised to make that stick.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
"Oh, I've got time now. Let's do that thing I had planned." That's the vibe I got from her.
edit: Disregard what I said about TetsuTetsu, he's Hero-stream as well it seems. lol @ him being essentially a different skin.
She's sad because she didn't get to show off what she can do. You can't think of this is as normal fighting tournament. You don't even have to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Creepy eyes lost to Izuku, and still got compliments. Mei spent 10 minutes stringing Iida along, demoed all her current batch of babies, and walked off the field, mission accomplished. She showed off all her toys, impressed corporations, heroes, and citizens alike. She could have obviously beaten him early on, but taking that much time means she doesn't have to risk anything else, or waste any more of her time fighting the rest of the day. She can kick back, start making business contacts, or go back to her workshop.
It's a very clever way to have the four different types of students at UA show off their talent, and most importantly, impress future employers.
All Yaoyorozu got to do is show she can make one type of shield and a stick. To the audience, she's no better than tape-elbows, but the school and her class knows she's one of the most useful heroes in Class A.
That's why the important part this episode is that Uraraka refused Deku's help. Her own pride doesn't want her always being helped. She wants to be a hero too, and needs to stand on her own. If she can come up with a plan that at least holds off Bakugo for more than a few minutes, and shows off her abilities, she'll still better off than Yaoyorozu.
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They showed it a bit before last season. Mina can vary the strength and viscosity of her acid freely. She can go from melting clothes off here, expending the energy before it gets to skin, or she can melt holes into concrete in seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
She's a ditz, so she's not really as serious as the other girls, but Mina is probably one of the top 4 girls in skill in Class A. Only Tsuyu, Uraraka, and Yaoyorozu are above her, and a lot of that is because they get shown more.
But aren't there only 6 or so girls in Class A? The two below her may be earplug-girl and Invisible-girl. I can't think of anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryll
Personally, I'd put Mina as top 2 because her quirk has no weaknesses like Uraraka's does because she gets nauseous, or Yaoyorozu, who has to have skin exposed.
Tsuyu is obviously number 1, in skill and our hearts.
@Ryll - If what you say is true, then it's clear how terrible the academy's curriculum and event handling are. First, they have a totally physical exam to get into hero course, disadvantaging other types of amazing powers. I found that so ridiculous I couldn't accept that was the case until bandage dude said the exact same thing. Second, they have a one-on-one battle format for the climax of a huge event, knowing full well a lot of heroes shine in groups or have absurdly powerful but situational powers.
It just seems too biased towards Bakugo, and yes, Izuku types, and yet, the academy seems to be completely fine with this. How many years has this school been ongoing? Has no one realized these flaws that even a child could see? Why are people talking about it as if it's some kinda "secret" flaw (i.e. bandage-sensei) when it's so glaring and fixable?
A simple 2-on-2 format would've resolved most of these issues. Soloists can do fine with one other person, after all. They don't lose much, if any, efficiency. In contrast, support types can only do anything with another person. 2 vs 2 is much less of a group effort than the very restricted cavalry battle, allowing people to show off their skills more, yet at the same time doesn't disadvantage other less caveman powers.
It's almost that's like a theme of the series!Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
If the most critical part of a hero's job is to fight against villains, then it makes perfect sense to have a fighting tournament. A pure support character can just try to gain the agencies' attention elsewhere. I'm sure there are opportunities if there's demand for support types. Nevertheless it would be reassuring for the fighting heroes if the support can defend themselves at least a little bit.
I meant it as a criticism towards the poor setup/writing. It makes no sense for such an established organization to have such glaring flaws, that for some reason, only a few recognize. Moreover, those who do speak as if its not a well-known fact when in fact it should've been changed ages ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
Then again, the U.S. has the electoral college, so yeah, maybe it does make sense in that humans are dumb everywhere.
I didn't say to remove the tournament. I said do a 2vs2 format, which allows both support and independent power types to shine, which according to Ryll, is the main goal of most in the tournament (to appeal). I mean, why the hell not? Even in 2vs2, you still have to defend yourself, so it's not like it eliminates the value individual skill completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Oh yeah! That's DEFINITELY not a thing that happens in real life...Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Oh man, you spoiled my sarcasm...Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Episode 22
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It was a foregone conclusion Nice Person would lose, so it was only a question of how good a show she would give the audience before losing. I'd say quite a good one. Better than I expected. I didn't foresee that meteor shower trick, although I was thinking it would have to be something related to the platform and the loose rocks since there was nothing else available. But yeah, she wasn't exactly a frail girl. Not to mention these matches are difficult for Bakugo because his power kills and maims living targets so easily, so he has no choice but to use it extremely ineffectively to avoid getting disqualified.
Killing Ochaco wasn't an issue that held him back since Bakugo was trying not to touch her anyway. If he could touch her then he could explore the idea of grabbing someone's hand then blowing it apart. But that's not very hero-like.
He doesn't need to touch anybody to kill or seriously wound them. With how much loose rock there was on the platform, Ochaco should have gone to buy a lotto ticket after the match. She was so super lucky not to have been hit by a single shrapnel seriously. She likely did accumulate some pure pressure damage considering the manner of her defeat.
Did you guys miss the part where logic doesn't apply to this show? They just follow rules they set whenever they want for the sake of drama. This battle made utterly no sense, and Bakugo's power is the most illogical and inconsistent of the bunch.
I've completely given up on the details of the fights. I just watch this for the characters and drama. The plot is as bare as a skeleton, after all (hooray tournament...).
Ochaco has a very nice pair of plots. Not bare as a skeleton at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Lol. Ochako is so low-tier. Frog-girl is where itīs at!
Episode was good, but damn, these tournament episodes feel sooo short :/
I did, since literally the only thing she could use her powers on besides Bakugo is the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
I seriously love how much my opinion of Bakugo has changes. To go from abusive bully character to comically agro dude is a turn I've not had with a character since Jamie Lannister.
I would have made the pieces of tiles light, then pegged them at Bakugo. I don't know if lightening up things also removes their momentum though, or just gravity's effect on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth
Ochako's power would be nice if she could also change direction / speed of the objects some time after she touched them. Even if "pre-programmed"
In her fight with bakugo, instead of having the rocks just fall, she could have had them coming from many different angles/directions even from behing and low trajectory.
From bakugo's perspective, that rock fall was a nice setup to show his incredible firepower.
She can't use angles with her power. It's just turning gravity on and off. So it either goes up...or down.
I don't think her power would be very effective on Bakugo if he could already control flight via explosions anyway, but good shounen try nonetheless. I like that he finally used her name once she joined the teamwork, friendship, and victory club. Also good humor for Eraserhead to call out some rando hero in the audience that happened to complain about Bakugo using too much power.
Deku earned a not very veiled threat from the No. 2 hero to lead into the next battle. Hype!
Getting Bakugo weightless would have been effective. He has never experienced such a state and the arena is not large for a flying person. Every time he had attacked, he would have also needed to compensate in the opposite direction, perfectly, lest he would have found himself floating in some direction or even spinning. If Ochako had then managed to take the fight near the arena boundary, it would have been quite possible indeed to manage to get Bakugo over the border.
But to be realistic, the poor girl had at most a 1 in 10 chance to beat a dude like that. Her power isn't really the perfect one for solo fights.
What?!
Being weightless would have only made Bakugo stronger. Then heīd only have to use his ability for direction corrections, instead of using enough power to get his whole body up in the air. He probably couldnīt feel luckier than being weightless.
You seem to assume he has been spending a lot of time on some space station in zero gravity to acquire such a skill. You wouldn't talk like that if you had ever played a space simulator with realistic physics. It's a pain in the ass to try to move sensibly without using computer aided stabilisation. He would be spending most of his brain processing time on that, leaving more openings for Nice Person to exploit.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
This is what some people don't seem to get. We've bitched about how the entrance exam and sports festival are both extremely unfair and biased towards students like Bakugou, Todoroki, and even Deku.
Or is it?
Deku passed the exam by defending Ochako. He acted like a hero, even if he sucked at defeating grunt enemies. Ochako was totally outclassed. But what did she actually do? She held off an overwhelming superior foe for well beyond what anyone would expect her to, in a scenario where she had zero advantages. That's plenty of time for non-combatants to evacuate, or backup to arrive.
And what did Bakugou do? He fought an extremely tenacious enemy, who was determined to take him down, and showed restraint with powers that most would never believe could be used without killing his opponents. He exhausted and subdued her in a controlled manner, very unlike Todoroki's angry outburst that even froze some of the audience.
This was actually a win for both of them.
Stop looking at this series like it is traditional shonen, Naruto, Bleach, or Hunter x Hunter style. There's some really subtle subversion constantly throughout this series so far. From Deku finding out that he is worthy (always was when you look back), Bakugou grappling with destructive power and wanting to be heroic with it, Ochako and Mount Lady only in it for the money, and challenging the definition of what actually defines a hero in a world where everyone is special?
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Originally Posted by Kraco
This is Boku no Hero Academia. Bakugo wouldnīt even spend a second "figuring it out". Itīd be second nature from the go.
@Ryll: I couldnīt disagree more. Thereīs NOTHING subversive about this anime. Ochako is in it for the money? Yes, because she wants to help her parents. Thatīīs no more subversive than Leorio being in it for the money ... so he can become a doctor to save peoplesī lives. And if you want to make blanket fanboy statements, leave out HXH from your lists. Thereīs no more subversive, non-standard shonen-series out there. Which is because itīs actually seinen, no matter what MAL might say.
Or the very first time he makes an explosion while weightless it sends him rocketing out of bounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Don't forget that with every move he makes he'd have to be prepared for Ochaco to cancel that levitation and send him tumbling back to earth. You guys are making it sound easier than it is.
In this very episode, they said how incredibly fast Bakugoīs reaction is. Heīd have no problem reacting to any sudden changes.
Nah, she wouldn't have canceled the antigravitation. If Bakugo was high in the air, he would slow down his fall using his own power, if he wasn't high, he would suffer no damage from the fall. Ochako's best bet was Bakugo losing control and having to spend most of his effort in controlling his movements at the expense of being able to attack. In the first place her only chance of winning was to get Bakugo out of the arena. There was no other even remotely plausible method for her. For that to happen, she needed to get him in the air.
Latest ep is out.
That was pretty epic.
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Hell yeah that was epic!
Didn't expect Deku to lose before facing off against Bakugo, but shit, I can't imagine he'd have been able to fight any more matches after that one even if he did win.
Now that the main character has been eliminated though, I'm fully expecting some bullshit to interrupt the tournament before the end.
If you watch the previews then it can be interrupted but why would they stop just because the main char is out?
I'm kinda curious what would have happened if cement guy hadn't thrown a bunch of walls up between their attack. Given that Deku's attack is the more direct, physical one, I wonder if that interference might not have cost him the fight.
Alternatively, it might have just been the only thing that kept them from both dying.
I'm not saying the characters would end the tournament because Deku is out. I'm saying that the rest of the tournament is no longer important to the main story, so it doesn't really matter how the rest of it goes, so I'm fully expecting a Chuunin Exam/Hunter Exam/Every other Dragon Ball tournament-type thing where you don't get to see the end because some outside force or disaster interrupts the tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin
Izuku is a fucking idiot. If he can slowly grasp his power while losing fingers like that, why didn't he practice it more when he isn't in a critical match? Since they have recovery girl, he should use smash at least a few times a day and get her to heal him, then do that as often as possible. Then maybe he would've grasped how to use it sooner. Instead, he trains his body, even though it's a (nonsensical) band aid which works by making his body tougher to resist his failed smashes. He should be improving his control instead. Recovery girl's powers are basically limitless except for the person's stamina, so he should at least make sure to maximize his to train.
And don't give me bullshit about learning faster while in combat. That's nonsense and not how training works. Even if it did, actually training before an event is still beneficial and should be done.
Overall I agree with you Shinta. If the primary reason for Izuku's injuries is that 'his body isn't used to his quirk', then the answer is to use his abilities as much as possible. All Might has never actually come out to say "You know what, if I go all-out I'll damage my body too." That guy just does things, we we'll never actually know whether control vs endurance would be beneficial for Izuku long-term. Short term it's control, no doubt about that.
Shoto kicks ass with his fire. I'm pretty sure he'd own Bakugo with that. The fire pretty much negates any side-effects of his freezing and vice versa. Meanwhile, Ochaco's meteor shower already stressed Bakugo's explosive ability without his suit.
I'm pretty sure Izuku can go all out against a person and not kill them. Assuming their explanation was correct, the reason he came out unscathed after punching Nomu was because he subconsciously held himself back, not because Nomu absorbed the shock. If that's the case, just rely on that. Izuku wanted to beat the shit out of Nomu at the time anyway, so any attack on a classmate can't be any more devastating when you think about it.
Well he can't really test your theory because recovery girl can't resurrect scraps of meat, IIRC.
He should at least train his smash on robots or mountains or something.
Also, the way he approached the match was stupid. Why did he decide on an endurance fight when he had no idea what Shoto's limitations are? If you have little info, you work with what little you have, not naively hope you learn something while sacrificing your body parts.
Izuku should've dashed forward while using his smashes to get closer to Shoto and use a smash (a stomp or a ground punch) to blast scarface out of the arena. His rear ice protection will do nothing if Izuku destroys the very ground it is attached to... But yeah, typical for this show, it is again drama over logic.
That said, the shounen heart was nice in this episode again.
Fantastic animation and enjoyable to watch, but yes, Midoriyaīs strategy made no sense at all. Betting it all on endurance?! Even if one can assume that stamina is of importance, why would you risk an endurance match when you can only attack as many times as there are fingers on your hands? Itīs unrealistic to just assume that Shoto could only use 10 ice blasts, beause thatīs how many fingers you have. :/
The opposite of endurance would have been Midoriyaīs best shot: Use a couple of consecutive All Might-attacks to completely overwhelm him. First attack cancels his attack, second attack forces him into defense, third attack knocks him off the stage. And if finger attacks arenīt enough for the last one, this is where you use you full-arm swing attack. DONE.
Any other strategy is Shotoīs to win. Who wasnīt the brightest, too. Why did he only use straight-forward ice blasts? He could have done a double attack where two ice blasts approach Midoriya from left and right side. Only one could have been negated, the other one would have been guaranteed to hit him.
Oh well. Yes. Drama over logic. Kinda sucks. But I'm used to it by now ... I think.
How can Shoto attack from 2 directions? AFAIK he can only produce ice from his body. If he makes it snake around, then it'll take too long to reach Izuku and he can just run away. Not only that, he'll have to produce a lot more ice.
Rip-roaring ep that amped the animation up at the end to get the satisfying final clash, even if the fight that proceeded it was largely static cut aways to interject back story into.
I like how hard guy isn't phased by Bakugo's... personality anymore. He really did make a friend!
Says the guy defending his own theory with "And donīt give me that bullshit about ...", lol. I find it hard to believe that Shoto cannot cast ice any way he wants. Same with flames.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Todoroki's starts from his body and moves in a continuous path from there.
We've never seen him cast ice or fire at a distance without some contact with his body.
Since it's a continuous path, on a short distance at ground level on earth, a straight line is the shortest and fastest way to get to his oponent.
A surprise attack might be to tunnel his ice underground and upercut from under his oponent's feet ?
But it seems Tadoroki can't hide it when he activates his power. And it's not sure he can finely control it.
MFauli, step back and use your memory a little.
I have a hard time believing that Todoroki cannot change the iceī direction. Makes no sense. He can clearly freely control the ice, at times itīs just a thin layer on the ground, then it grows big at from the ground at the far away edge of that thin ice layer. Itīs not like he creates ice ready in front of him and moves it via telekinesis, no, he controls the ice. Logic dictates that he can change the ice' direction.
I will say, I DID think it was kind of BS when Deku was all "Well, I ruined all my fingers and can't attack anymore. But I can EXTRA ruin them for more shots! I'll just keep changing my finger colors as I need more shots!"
Of course he can change the ice's direction. Read David's post. What he cannot do is make it appear away from his body without a connection, so the source will always be him. That's why having ice snake around to flank Izuku is a slower attack and uses more ice (and most likely focus) than his straightforward attack, which was already extremely effective because it forced Izuku to use up his body parts. Shoto just didn't think Izuku can cheat by reusing fingers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Todoroki didnt even know about Midoriyaīs damage at first, so thatīs not a valid argument. And I donīt see how two ice blast from the side would have been significantly slower.
This is such a weird argument. One time you complain about how this series forsakes logic in favor of drama, then you whip out your very own pseudo logic to explain why something isnīt possible. To which I gravely disagree. Nothing indicates that Todoroki couldnī t create to quick ice blasts from the sides. Íīm sure he can also freely control fire blazes and quickly so, too. We wonīt find out, because the fightīs over.
It kind of feels like Izuku won this fight despite losing it and turning all purple. He won the hero part of it if nothing else. He even healed Todoroki's mind partially. The audience was also majorly impressed simply because he could offer such a major resistance and finally forced Todoroki to use fire. Not to mention the last explosion forcing even the staff to interfere. Still, while Todoroki gave the impression of being already more ready for hero work than many pro heroes, Izuku surely won't give that impression by his self-mutilating power use.
Talking about Izuku's lack of interest in control is useless talk at this point considering that has been evident from the beginning of the show. He never gave it any thought. It's like he assumes one day he will just wake up in the morning perfectly in control of the power.
This is the problem with your argument. Nothing indicates that Todoroki COULD create two quick ice blasts from the sides (read: ice blasts originating away from his body without part of it connected to him). All of the ice attacks shown so far ALWAYS start from his body, therefore it is logical to assume that is his limitation. Otherwise, he would've been shooting spikes from directly underneath Izuku.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Saying that just because there is no evidence he CAN'T do it means he CAN do it is like saying that aliens/god exist because we can't prove that they don't.
Indeed. If the real point of the tournament is to impress people, he showed that he's pretty much even with Todoroki. So if Todoroki goes on to win, that makes Deku look good as well, even if he lost in an earlier round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
He filled the entire stadium with ice up high into the sky in the blink of an eye in his fight against cannonfodder guy. Again, your argument is inconsistent. You complain about lack of logic in some aspects, but not in others. Going by what weīve seen, I claim that two of those small ice blasts would be possible and wouldnīt be any slower. Weīll have to wait and see. If we see it some time in the future, do you agree that this would have been a much better strategy for Todoroki?Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Don't be so sure. Bakugou's power comes from sweat. Any heat Todoroki puts out it only going to help Bakugou. Explosions can also give him a temporary safe bubble in the flame. Ochako stressed his power because he blew up all the chunks at once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
No, yours is. Filling the entire stadium with ice is still an attack that originated from his body. It's actually the very basic frontal attack he used against Izuku but at full force.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Let me put it a different way. Have you ever seen Shoto create ice that originate away from his body? To be clear, this means there is no ice link between the long distance attack and Shoto himself.
Also, your strategy is terrible. If Shoto can make ice pop up from anywhere, the best place to attack from is right underneath Izuku. Why? Because he can't see it coming and can't use smash to cancel it because it literally is freezing his feet to the ground instantly. He'd destroy his own feet if he tried to get free.
Ofc Midoriya would see ice coming from below, because Todoroki cannot create ice at remote places out of nowhere, it has to travel from himself as weīve seen in this fight.
However, you really have to explain your logic how it makes sense that he can only create ice in a straight line. Again, we saw that he needs to have the ice "travel", in form of a thin layer on the ground. From that connection, he can then unleash an enormous amount of ice in an instant. So, what logic would dictate that ice can only grow in a straight line from himself? If he can control ice to the extent where he can have it travel forward, I donīt see why he couldnīt make it do a left turn.
I mean, at the end of the day, we can only keep makin assumptions, but I find it a nonsensical assumption. I figure it works almost like Sasukeīs Amaterasu, except Todoroki has to have a starting point.
You forgot speed. Turns need time and probably fine control, also adding time.
Tadoroki was not able to freeze Deku even with the fastest attack. Slower ones were not an option.
His fastest attacks didnt hit because Midoriya used All Might to counter them. In terms of speed, they were fine. And I once again doubt that turning ice blasts would be that much slower.
Btw. his name is Todoroki. Youīre probably thinking of a certain cute blue-haired girl that knows how to cook.
I never said ice could only travel in a straight line. I just said curves took longer to hit and used more ice, which are both logical assumptions.
Take note, I've always stated that his power is limited by ice originating from himself. So did David. You were the one insisting on ice blasts coming from the "sides." It wasn't clear if you meant they appeared away from Shoto or not. See quote below.
Cast any way he wants implies he can just conjure it up anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
And if you were specifically addressing the straight line vs curved attack, David has already mentioned that, and I agreed with him. It is essentially the second sentence of this post, but I'll repost it here.
So your post (see below), which was posted after the quote above, is utter bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Really. How the hell did you come to the above conclusion? LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
So attack speed is your argument, then? Still disagreeing, since Todoroki has shown to create ice blasts pretty much instantly. A curve shouldnīt take significant more time. My assumption.
Not exactly. I don't understand why you don't seem to read the entire post before replying, but I'll repeat and break it down here anyway.
Curved attacks have certain disadvantages to straight on attacks because:
1) They cover more distance. This is unavoidable. If straight is almost instant, then a curve will no longer be almost instant. It may even be slow enough for Izuku to see and dodge.
2) They use more ice, therefore freezing Shoto faster.
3) They use more control, and therefore focus. This can delay the attack's activation or increase the margin of error.
To add, you are not only asking Shoto to shoot curving ice spikes. You are actually saying he should do two simultaneous attacks, one from each side. That ups the difficulty significantly. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen Shoto shoot out two attacks going in different directions at the same time
These are all deductions based on simple logic and physics. It is true that none of these are explicitly mentioned in the show, but they have more evidence supporting them than your assumption that "Todoroki has shown to create ice blasts pretty much instantly. A curve shouldnīt take significant more time."
There's nothing instantaneous about his ice power. A gun would be instantaneous. For example a regular 9mm pistol would have a muzzle velocity of 350m/s, and if for simplicity's sake we assume the bullet speed doesn't drop too much, then if the dudes were 15 meters apart, it would take the bullet 0.04s to cross the distance. The human brain, and especially the Deku brain, can't do shit in 0.04 seconds, so it's an instant. However, in this fight's case Izuku could afford to wait until Todoroki attacked and then counterattack. In other words he already had all the time in the world as far as the time needed is concerned. If Todoroki had used a fancier attack using even a bit more time, Izuku would have delivered his own attack instead. When Todoroki finally got slower due to freezing himself, Izuku found the opportunity.
shinta, everything you just listed is a mix of your own assumptions and flimsy (at best) arguments based on physics, which I strongly disagree with in terms of how significant those would come to cause. Understand this: I agree that a curved attack would take more time than an attack in a straight line. However, I also think that weīd be talking a difference in the microseconds, not even miliseconds. Basically: A curved attack would take longer, but in a magnitude thatīs not measureable. This is where you disagree and say that thereīd be a time delay so big that Midoriya would be able to easily dodge.
Edit: Oh nice som Hitler-asshole wrote a harrassing comment in my reputation comments-section. Classy.
At least I based my assumptions on physics and logic. You based your assumption on... your imagination?
I based mine on physics and logic, too. Itīs kinda hard to claim that for yourself when weīre talking about somebody who can create ice blasts.
Explain yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Please don't. The argument is already SUPER boring...
Then don't read it? I don't get people like you.
My scrolly finger gets tired.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari