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if you're referring to #2, then no. itachi is alive and the 4th is not. therefore, itachi is the strongest character introduced and alive so far.Quote:
Originally posted by: itachi_
h0h0 dazz shouldn't you change your signature? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
What about Jiraya??, he can easily beat Itachi. and hokage 3rd also
hm discuss this elsewhere.
the fourth is the strongest of all Hokages. He was a genious at developing death jutsus. When they called the third the god of all Hokages, that was probably because the fourth had died saving the village. If the third was really stronger than the fourth, why wasn't he fighting Kyubi? They called the third the professor, only because he knew all the jutsu. Just because you know it doensn't mean that you can use it to its full capacity. For example, Naruto knows rasengan, but he can't use it to its full capacity. The third lost the match to Oro, because he didn't know how to use the fourth's seal to its fullest potential. Think about it, the fourth sealed Kyubi, one of the great youkai. The third was just trying to seal another human being.
The fourth is the strongest hokage. The fourth would have beat the living hell out of Itachi, without breaking a sweat.
The 3rd knew how to use the 4th's seal to it's fullest potential, but as he said himself he didn't have 'enough strength in this old body' to perform it, hence the fact that he made do with just sealing the arms. If he was 10 years younger, he could have done it completely, as Oro said.Quote:
Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
the fourth is the strongest of all Hokages. He was a genious at developing death jutsus. When they called the third the god of all Hokages, that was probably because the fourth had died saving the village. If the third was really stronger than the fourth, why wasn't he fighting Kyubi? They called the third the professor, only because he knew all the jutsu. Just because you know it doensn't mean that you can use it to its full capacity. For example, Naruto knows rasengan, but he can't use it to its full capacity. The third lost the match to Oro, because he didn't know how to use the fourth's seal to its fullest potential. Think about it, the fourth sealed Kyubi, one of the great youkai. The third was just trying to seal another human being.
The fourth is the strongest hokage. The fourth would have beat the living hell out of Itachi, without breaking a sweat.
I also think the 3rd was called "god of all shinobi" or "lord of all shinobi", but this was in his prime, which leads me to believe that 3rd in his prime > 4th. The reason the 4th fought kyuubi instead of the 3rd is because at that point the 3rd was a much older, weaker man. Had the 3rd been in his prime, it most likely would have been him fighting kyuubi.
yes, the third was called "lord of all shinobi" in his prime, but that was before the 4th's time. The third also knows how to use the sealing technique to it's full potential, but he states that it was the 4ths jutsu originally. Age just decreased the amount of charka/strength that the 3rd had, I doubt that he would've been a ridiculous amount better than what he was when he died.
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Originally posted by: CmDr_RavEn
The 3rd knew how to use the 4th's seal to it's fullest potential, but as he said himself he didn't have 'enough strength in this old body' to perform it, hence the fact that he made do with just sealing the arms. If he was 10 years younger, he could have done it completely, as Oro said.
I also think the 3rd was called "god of all shinobi" or "lord of all shinobi", but this was in his prime, which leads me to believe that 3rd in his prime > 4th. The reason the 4th fought kyuubi instead of the 3rd is because at that point the 3rd was a much older, weaker man. Had the 3rd been in his prime, it most likely would have been him fighting kyuubi.
We're talking about the fourth sealing the strongest of all youkai, this youkai isn't just sitting there waiting to be sealed. Kyubi isn't even near human and I don't care at what age. It was far harder to seal Kyubi, then being old trying to seal a simple human. If the sealing of Kyubi happened like it did in the anime/manga, then "NO" the third didn't understand the sealing jutsu completely. In the anime/manga the fourth sealed Kyubi during a bright flash of light, plus he sealed Kyubi into Naruto. The fourth also didn't have physical contact with Kyubi during the seal, he was on Gamabunta's head. (if it happened like it did in the anime 1st episode).
Yes, you're correct on the prime issue. Thus he was called this only because the 4th wasn't old enough. With that being said, the fourth must have been a very strong individual to succeed the third.
I'm sure that when Kyubi attacked, every able bodied ninja was at the scene. There is no way a person like the third would just lounge around while the city that he lived in was being attacked. Therefore if he could have done something he would have.
i don't think you guys understand, kishimoto didn't pull some of these characters out of his ass. Sarutobi (the third) is based on sarutobi sasuke who was considered the best REAL ninja in japanese history (hence why his two favorite characters are named sarutobi and sasuke). The third is based on the greatest ninja of all time and no one has ever surpassed him. He was called, even till the time of his death, the god of all ninja. I don't think you really see this, the third beat the first, the second, summoned Enma, sealed the first and the second, pulled off a bunch of sweet ass jutsus, and he is seventy or eighty. When you are that old tell me that you are just as strong as you are now. So track back some and make the third 20 or so and he would be one scary ass dude.
If you were the strongest person in your village and there is no term for being hokage. Would you select a successor just because they met a certain criteria? Keep into consideration that fact that there is no time restraints for being hokage. I don't see someone as strong as the third selecting a successor unless he was stronger than himself. He has shown us how much he loved the village. If the fourth wasn't stronger than third why didn't the third just remain hokage. The third remained hokage and didn't announce a successor since the fourth's death, because unless he finds someone stronger than himself. He can defend the city better than anybody else can. And remember what the title of Hokage stands for, it is given to the strongest in the village.
hiten...you're over analyzing things again. kishimoto purposely showed ONLY a bright flash during the "sealing" of kyubi just to show us that 4th was the one who did it... there really isn't a point in going deep into the 4th's sealing technique since it's not important. and you may ask, "how do you know this, you're not kishimoto" clearly i'm not, but i've watched enough animes/tv/movies to know that showing the 4th sealing the kyubi isn't important. they do this (showing very small clips/flash backs of god-like figures) to glorify their existence, mystery, and what they have done to earn such title. for example, they show itachi and his sharingan eyes show that itachi is someone to be feared.Quote:
Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
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Originally posted by: CmDr_RavEn
The 3rd knew how to use the 4th's seal to it's fullest potential, but as he said himself he didn't have 'enough strength in this old body' to perform it, hence the fact that he made do with just sealing the arms. If he was 10 years younger, he could have done it completely, as Oro said.
I also think the 3rd was called "god of all shinobi" or "lord of all shinobi", but this was in his prime, which leads me to believe that 3rd in his prime > 4th. The reason the 4th fought kyuubi instead of the 3rd is because at that point the 3rd was a much older, weaker man. Had the 3rd been in his prime, it most likely would have been him fighting kyuubi.
We're talking about the fourth sealing the strongest of all youkai, this youkai isn't just sitting there waiting to be sealed. Kyubi isn't even near human and I don't care at what age. It was far harder to seal Kyubi, then being old trying to seal a simple human. If the sealing of Kyubi happened like it did in the anime/manga, then "NO" the third didn't understand the sealing jutsu completely. In the anime/manga the fourth sealed Kyubi during a bright flash of light, plus he sealed Kyubi into Naruto. The fourth also didn't have physical contact with Kyubi during the seal, he was on Gamabunta's head. (if it happened like it did in the anime 1st episode).
and for your theory on choosing hokages...when choosing someone for leadership, that chosen person doesn't have to be the STRONGEST or whatever. for example, when choosing a general for an army...people don't choose the best shot, they choose the best strategist. there is no reason for the 4th to be stronger than the 3rd cuz the 3rd is gonna have to eventually choose a hokage since he is getting old. he just chose the ninja that was best suited for the title of a hokage.
Sometimes people just retire, either because they're too old, they've had enough, or whatever. I'm just saying that the 4th wasn't necessarily stronger than the 3rd, in fact there's more evidence proving that he wasn't (if you consider the 3rd's nickname).Quote:
Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
If you were the strongest person in your village and there is no term for being hokage. Would you select a successor just because they met a certain criteria? Keep into consideration that fact that there is no time restraints for being hokage. I don't see someone as strong as the third selecting a successor unless he was stronger than himself. He has shown us how much he loved the village. If the fourth wasn't stronger than third why didn't the third just remain hokage. The third remained hokage and didn't announce a successor since the fourth's death, because unless he finds someone stronger than himself. He can defend the city better than anybody else can. And remember what the title of Hokage stands for, it is given to the strongest in the village.
Just because the 3rd picked a successor, doesn't mean that successor was better or stronger than him. He was just finishing being the Hokage, that's all, and he picked someone to take his place. After the 4th died, there wasn't anyone suitable to take his place, so the 3rd had to take up the title again, most likely on the constant search of the 5th. Then Oro, Jiraiya and Tsu rocked up, and changed everything.
the 4th will mop the floor with itachis ass, plus he also knows that forbiden jutsu that seals u away after using it. plus he can just summon gama bunta and make him sit on his ass. btw he also was the one who created resengan which as we all know is a killer move
4th would win. The 4th always have the last move of sealing up his enemy's soul. Of course in that case both would techincally lose.
Itachi > Orochimaru > Old 3rd.
However, its hard to really compare ninjas. This isn't DBZ where brute strength is the key. As you can see, Shikamaru is really weak, but he has won because of his intelligence.
Considering that Itachi ran away from an injured Jiraiya, even though he also had Kisame by his side, Itachi seems far too weak to compare to either the 3rd OR 4th. I think Itachi is about on the same level as Orochimaru, regardless of what Oro said. Oro has a big mouth, and says lots of things that don't necessarily follow logic, such is the mind of a sociopathic maniac.
itachi didn't run away, every stop saying that. it's clear why he retreated and it is explained fully in the manga...Quote:
Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
Considering that Itachi ran away from an injured Jiraiya, even though he also had Kisame by his side, Itachi seems far too weak to compare to either the 3rd OR 4th.
Run away / retreat .. isn't that about the same thing? Having to abandon combat in order to escape? It's particularly interesting because the target they were after was *right there*, all they had to do was defeat Jiraiya, knock Naruto out, and bam, they're done.
I'm sick of this bullshit about Itachi running from Jiraiya or that he ran from Gai. Using the Mange Sharingan is draining to the user, and he didn't want to get a big problem going throughout the village, so he thought it'd be in his best interest to retreat. Kishimoto wouldn't have Oro admit to being weaker than Itachi just to show that Oro had a big mouth and is crazy, that's just stupid. Jiraiya didn't do anything spectacular to scare Itachi, in fact he broke throw his stomach jutsu like it was nothing. We still don't know the full extent of Itachi's skills, but I'm almost certain that his skills can compare to the older 3rd and any of the Legendary 3, I don't think he was up to the 4ths level though.
Very well said. Finally someone gets it. But let's not get into this discussion again, there's a whole thread full of it.Quote:
Originally posted by: KonohamaruCorps
I'm sick of this bullshit about Itachi running from Jiraiya or that he ran from Gai. Using the Mange Sharingan is draining to the user, and he didn't want to get a big problem going throughout the village, so he thought it'd be in his best interest to retreat. Kishimoto wouldn't have Oro admit to being weaker than Itachi just to show that Oro had a big mouth and is crazy, that's just stupid. Jiraiya didn't do anything spectacular to scare Itachi, in fact he broke throw his stomach jutsu like it was nothing. We still don't know the full extent of Itachi's skills, but I'm almost certain that his skills can compare to the older 3rd and any of the Legendary 3, I don't think he was up to the 4ths level though.
Well Naruto can summon it too, and i don't think Naruto can really kill Itachi(unless his ninetails power saves him, which it probably would...) , but I'm pretty sure Itachi would have some way to win against even gamabuntaQuote:
Originally posted by: jing
fourth.....
cuz fourth would just call out gamabunta, and gamabunta will just JUMP on itachi. THE END.
i think, such a large size would be a disadvantage in certain situation especially for someone who is extremely fast as itachi.