You were complaining about realism, or the skill level of the characters.
I am saying that is due to bad direction.
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You were complaining about realism, or the skill level of the characters.
I am saying that is due to bad direction.
@Kraco You're right about Prince Ali, he was on a whole other level like Char Aznable or Zechs Marquise. Where I was focusing my attention was on front line soldiers who may show up for an ep or two but aren't major characters (e.g. the captain of Louise's squad in Gundam 00 S2 who got pixy dust pwned), those are the ones that my 'rule' most applies to. Season long nemeses have to follow different rules.
Anyway, after watching ep 2 I can see where you all were coming from a lot better. The BETA's tactics are rather brutal, but the way the Japanese are fighting back seems somewhat wasteful in manpower and equipment unless that's all the choice left to them, which is quite plausible.
Bringing the rain from off shore or artillery positions seems like the only viable way to stem the Beta's advance as they don't seem to get tired or slowed by the environment. Fighting them close up on the other hand seems like suicide because of their horrifying numerical advantage. However, if you split them into manageable groups and could avoid/take out the Lasers it seems like a given finite supply of BETA should be susceptible to the skillful application of the maneuverability and precision offered by a TSF (though TSF's could probably stand to pack a bigger punch). I think in the case of the first two eps Japan just got overwhelmed by sheer numbers and lack of terrain to fall back along while whittling away at the enemy with a scorched earth style artillery barrage.
The BETA have an advantage that makes the tactical capabilities of humanity pointless. They don't seem to be bound by remotely comparable resource limitations. I suspect that a Laser class can't run out of ammo, that a Destroyer class can run flat out and trample anything in it's path indefinitely longer than humans could spend time putting impediments in front of them, and that those scorpion things can rip things apart indefinitely longer than humans could put things in their midst to rip apart. All that is compounded by the fact that there are just way more BETA than human military people/machines.
I think the reason they were using TSFs before they decided to bombard in that battle was because they wanted to stem the advance of the Beta and protect the city. They probably did not correctly estimate the number that invaded. If they knew that the defensive line could not be held anyway, they should have just bombarded the enemy from the start. That would whittle the Beta down, but it won't buy time because the Beta don't seem to give a shit if they are being hit. They only pause to kill and eat people.
Right. The Beta had already wasted Eurasia and the Japanese were pulling their punches in order to save some buildings? Well, actually it's possible all of their artillery and real troops had been placed 100 km from this area (to welcome the beta much earlier) and had already done all they could but still so many beta got through. In that case what happened here could be a bit more plausible. Maybe all the regular troops we saw were also second rate men not fit for the front lines, and thus fell so readily.
Still, all this wouldn't change the fact what we saw was a terrible waste of human lives and precious equipment. I hope they made some changes in the leadership during the jumped years.
They were not able to evaluate how massive the attack was.
They probably did not have much forces available anyway.
It also seems they needed some help from other countries/forces, which takes time.
They did not want to bombard at first, because of the collateral that remains high even when you try to evacuate the region. There's also the fact you ruin such a city that Kyoto is.
But at some point, it was that or totally losing the region.
They probably could have bombarded an hour before, but many soldiers would have died with the BETAs. The city would have suffered minimal damage though.
But the choice was similar to the one presented to Yui. They were not able to do it at first, but were forced to in the end.
No. The idea is to organize the battlefield so that you bombard as much as possible before the troops mingle - which they actually never should do, but since the beta rely on melee so much, it's unavoidable. However, the fact the beta march forward single-mindedly would make it infinitely easy to bombard them continuously and without a break as long as you have ground behind you and ammo in stores. Artillery fire is quite accurate as long as you have scouts - and there were plenty here with very sophisticated equipment in the form of the mecha. They might even have been able to use some dummy, remote controlled automated observers (cameras, that is) since we don't actually know if the Beta would have cared or noticed such at all, to go out of their way to destroy them.Quote:
Originally Posted by David75
The other thing you said reminded me of the fact I never want to see another n00b soldier ignoring orders for her own petty satisfaction.
Fuck. So the only character that I like (the last one to be eaten) died, and now I'm left with Yui who is just shit. She kept her cool, but that's about it.
Mecha have both ground and ariel ability. When fighting Lasers - stand. When fighting other things - fly. I have no idea why they didn't do the latter more frequently though, since they had the idea right the first time about killing off the Lasers first.Quote:
I'm a bit surprised mankind is focusing so much on gundam like machines when there are so many other ways to fight. Not that I know what should be done, but it seems taking years to train pilots for so little efficiency is a tad strange.
The Beta are kinda stupid too. Just land on top of Kyoto or something. You're aliens from space, aren't you? The only proper explanation for such an advance is if a rare Hivemind/Queen-style alien landed on earth many years ago and has been the sole producer of the Beta forces without reinforcements since.
The suits and mecha remind me of Fafner, while the girls and alien setting reminds me of Freezing.
There is actually a very good reason for the existence of TSFs. I bet it will be explained in the next episode, since the story is no longer limited to a single Beta invasion.
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So, mock battle beetween TSFs
It's nice for shonen, gives some action. But after watching ep 2, felt totally useless as the qualities displayed in such fights
seem useless against BETA.
I'd even say it teaches you bad habits and could prove dangerous when facing the real threat.
Moreover, total waste of resource as some TSFs get scraped and you could even lose some pilots.
I wonder if that's the reason why Yui was so harsh, after all, she knows all too well how the real deal is.
I was a fool to think anything would change in this show. Instead of scared trainee girls unwilling or unable to follow orders we get an assorted mix of "elites" with so bad personality (or sheer mental) problems they apparently were kicked out of their units and sent to form a real dream team. No wonder Yui was less than impressed and so gloomy. A third of the world has been claimed by alien invaders and these fellows behave as if nothing was more important than their own ego and skills in human vs human fights. Well, to be fair I think the American and the Swede at least tried to act professionally, but it's hard to do that when there's a monkey in the same team. I dread to wait for the episodes with the clearly clinically insane sister duo (Russians?).
If I knew the fate of the world rested on the shoulders of people like this, I'd just kill myself and be done with it. Much cleaner and quicker.
It is called total eclipse. I can only imagine that wasting some of the world's remaining production capacity on these jokers (including Yui) is what pushes humanity to its darkest point so that the real Muv-Luv Alternative cast are left to try and pick up the pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Yui's cold attitude pisses me off too, mostly because it has become such a cliché. Character gets traumatized, and becomes ultra-serious and a total bitch/asshole. I'll believe she has a right to it when she shows that she can actually fight these days. At least we know the two insane and/or telepathic sisters are one of the best pilot duets at the base. I wager the only thing that will fix Yui is her getting some from Yuuya. And given this franchise, she'll probably die right after that.
Until proven otherwise, I find it hard to believe those sisters could actually cooperate with anybody else to act in a proper military mission. Of course they might have some old geezer general somewhere whom they worship like the second coming, and when the man says something, they will obey it to the letter, even if it obviously means their own death. Such a cliche would suit this nicely. Like this sad episode desperately tried to teach, a best pilot is not just a lonely ace boosting his own record but somebody who ensures the mission will be accomplished.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
So...Stella's the best pilot? I agree wholeheartedly.
That means she's sure to die so Yuuya will be forced to pair up with Stuck Up Bitch Yui and the Insane Sisters.
Xenophobia, xenophobia everywhere.
The more this show wants me to take it seriously the more i laugh in its face. Which is why i preferred the last episode, seeing those chicks drop like flies was quality entertainment.
And for some reason, I like hard-ass bitches. Maybe it's to do with the melting and everything.. or I'm just M.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryll
Anyway, hated Yui before, liked Yui now. Sisters would have been good too, but the mentally unstable make my balls shrink. Swedish melons are a safe staple.
I think Yui is actually capable to back up her words. Maybe she sees something in Top Gun's piloting that really needs to be changed. She has been through hell once, and god knows how many times after.
I think the reason why she disliked his piloting was because he went above a certain height in that training that would have gotten him killed by a Laser if it were a real fight.
I think the reason is because they didn't want to make her seem like a total slut by wanting his dick from the get go so they're having her work her way up. Or should i say down?
I gotta go with Arch on this one.
And it's work her way up to go down. Best of both worlds.