Naruto Chapter 418

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Originally Posted by The Archangel

He's probably saving it for later, it may in fact be the "new move" naruto seems to be developing. God i hope not...

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a perfect example of Kishi digging himself a hole, and then shooting his leg and falling into it.

Naruto: it's my new move, the shurikan rasengan!
readers: oh, a new rasengan, looks like naruto finally gets a ranged attack that makes him a more balanced fighter.
naruto: it's the most perfect, awesome, never seen before attack! not even the 4th could do this.
readers; ooh, this better be badass.
naruto plays out the new rasengan in the worst possible way, and manages to destroy his only real win in the past two years.
readers: this is just crap. guess we need to wait for another power up montage for naruto to get better, maybe something original that's not a rasengan.
*a year later*
naruto: I've now mastered the perfect rasengan shurikan, believe it or not, but it can hit distanced enemies.
readers: yawn.


with some moderation and planning for the future, it could have been decent, but when everything is 'surpassed' anyone ever before, it's hard to get exited.

where is zetsu in this ordeal? payne's group? madare? a 3rd party mission?

I would like to know why Naruto is being so secretive about training in Sage Mode...
When he was training at night he said that he didnt want anyone to see him, that really isnt like him, Kishi normally writes in a way for Naruto to surprise everyone, but this seems different.

And as far as the code, "The read one isnt with them" - then where is Pain really at? I mean that is cool that he can control 6 people at once, but where is he?

Edit: Maybe Nagato? Looks like I need to re-read!

If Naruto is trying to perform the shuriken rasengan in sage mode, I think it's not that he doesnt want his peers to know he's still using it. Maybe he wants to perfect it in sage mode and be able to execute it in a fight without his enemy seeing where he is. Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by Death BOO Z

a perfect example of Kishi digging himself a hole, and then shooting his leg and falling into it.

Naruto: it's my new move, the shurikan rasengan!
readers: oh, a new rasengan, looks like naruto finally gets a ranged attack that makes him a more balanced fighter.
naruto: it's the most perfect, awesome, never seen before attack! not even the 4th could do this.
readers; ooh, this better be badass.
naruto plays out the new rasengan in the worst possible way, and manages to destroy his only real win in the past two years.
readers: this is just crap. guess we need to wait for another power up montage for naruto to get better, maybe something original that's not a rasengan.
*a year later*
naruto: I've now mastered the perfect rasengan shurikan, believe it or not, but it can hit distanced enemies.
readers: yawn.

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I've got to agree with this. Even from the beginning, It wouldn't have made sense to me that Naruto's new rasengan could be thrown, even if I kind of wanted it to be. That doesn't make things better...he didn't need a stronger rasengan, he needed ranged techniques or taijutsu making him capable of connecting with his close range techniques without needing to pour his soul and ours into the effort. He's getting the latter with this Sage training, so I'm happy about that. But it's not the awesome excitement it could've been, more like "about time...hrrrm...I wonder what's on channel 5 right now.."

I stopped being surprised about naruto being able to do anything necessary in any amount of time a long time ago. First he beat Neji, that was off the walls wtf enough already, then right after he kicks the shit outta Gaara AND shikaku... that was when kishi taught us that if you have a lot of chakra it doesnt matter how un-talented or how little you've trained, youre still a badass with no limitations.

Im assuming Naruto's gonna cut the sage training short to go help protect Konoha, just to find everyone already got tossed.

I still don't get why Naruto said, he doesn't want anyone seeing him since the only one there is Yoda, I mean Fukasaku. What does he have to hide from him, but I really don't care about Naruto anymore not even the slightest bit curious about what he is going to do next.

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Originally Posted by Abdula

I still have no idea why he named it the rasenshuriken and Naruto can't throw it. You would think it would be a no-brainer.

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I don't know who "he" is, but it looks like a big shuriken -- the kind Naruto and Sasuke used to save Kakashi from Zabuza.

Anyway, unless this hypothetical throwing rasengan does something awesome -- like expand to enormous sizes or move at the speed or light, a rasengan to throw is pointless. Nobody in this manga ever gets hit by a shuriken. I guess there was one exception in the first chapter.

Also, Kuma would kill Naruto in a second. Hell, Kuma could push the 9 Tails out of him. No need for Akatsuki or lame looking statues. Pein and Madara should really look into hiring him.

He is Kishimoto of course and why the hell are you talking about Kuma?

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Originally Posted by Abdula

I still don't get why Naruto said, he doesn't want anyone seeing him since the only one there is Yoda, I mean Fukasaku. What does he have to hide from him, but I really don't care about Naruto anymore not even the slightest bit curious about what he is going to do next.

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it really is sad how there was 0 attempt for originality with the sage training. Use 'natural' energy its all around us... MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU. Then the way to test out the training is to lift something heavy as fuck. Apparently he wants us to think of Naruto as the next Luke cause they both picked the training up way too quick compared to any of their predecessors. We get it, he's a late bloomer... why the hell did they have all that hard work will surpass geniuses at the start then?

So the only two who had to struggle at first, Lee and Naruto, turns out to both be wtf-talented. At least Lee REALLY struggled to get to where he is, I sure as hell know he didn't learn Primary Lotus in a few days.

I suppose they will spin the hard work bit as being that you have to keep trying your best even if you keep failing until you find something you are good at (Naruto) or get good at something that can only be attained via hard work and not genius (Lee).

The thing that really makes it horrible is that Naruto has never shown anything from his training other than one cheap victory. He trains with Jiraiya and learns the summoning jutsu gets a cheap victory against Gaara with it and then nothing. He trains with Jiraiya and learns rasengan, gets a cheap victory against Kabuto and then nothing, Trains with Jiraiya for three years and learns Oodama rasengan, uses it to get a cheap victory against Itachi's clone and then nothing. Trains with Kakashi and learns his wind rasengan, uses it to get a cheap victory over Kakuzu and then nothing.

So really the only thing I expect Naruto to do now is get a cheap victory against Pain, as sad as that would be, and then go back to being Naruto.

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Originally Posted by Abdula

So really the only thing I expect Naruto to do now is get a cheap victory against Pain, as sad as that would be, and then go back to being Naruto.

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So true. Even after obtaining the sage's strength you just know that he still won't be able to even get 1 hit on his enemies. Seriously, stop teaching this kid overpowered jutsu and train his speed so he can actually connect a couple of combos.

He's about to learn a taijutsu style to complement the sage energy he got. Since the Sage energy enhance every aspect of your body, I'm pretty sure all that's covered.

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Originally Posted by Uchiha Barles

He's about to learn a taijutsu style to complement the sage energy he got. Since the Sage energy enhance every aspect of your body, I'm pretty sure all that's covered.

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any taijutsu style he learns will have to be good enough to face sasuke and his sharingan shannigans. a simple taijutsu power up just won't do anymore. he'll still run into the same problems he had at the bridge fight (before naruto2 began).

taijutsu options:
a. the lee style: get so damn fast that Sasuke won't be able to act on what he see's, sounds very fishy, considering that Sasuke could 'sneak-kill' naruto the last time they met.
b. (the better option), a style that hides his movements. either by completely merging with nature so he isn't seen even by the sharingan (nature energy... sounds about right), or a style that creates a distraction that fools the sharingan, maybe have a permanent solar flare activated.

of course, we know it ain't gonna happen.

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There was a third option that I actually spoke about way back. A style that's very much reactive, where you predict the opponents motions based on the energy he gives off which you can feel by direct contact, and later, according to legend, by chi flow at a distance.You counter appropriately based on that prediction.Until you're ready to counter, there is no muscle tension that could be used by the sharingan to predict your movements. Basically, an anime/manga glorified wing chun. This sage energy thing would be perfect for that, at least stylistically speaking. Kishi could rape that as well.

But yeah, the fact that it's a Taijutsu style to complement the Sage training makes it highly likely that it's not just any taijutsu style he's about to learn.

edited to add another idea in.

Thats the complete opposite of Naruto's character though, so thats never going to happen.

you mean fighting by blasting off chackra inside a circle of EN (sorry, HxH just makes sense, so I use it as example), basically what Gaara has with sand, or what Naruto did (or unknowingly did at the kyuubi state he was in), considering how that fight went, I don't think it'll be enough, the sharingan+speed already gives Sasuke the ability to deal with counter attacks (the whole chidori deal), and naruto's new taijutsu should give him ability to apply his Rasengan, and as he is now, Naruto can't use the rasengan as a counter move (you'd expect him to, after three years, but no).

even if the sage energy makes him at the same speed level as Sasuke, he still needs something to counter the sharingan, and then something to fend off the chidori shield (nidori chidori? nadare chidori?).

by the way, how resistant is the sharingan against blinding attacks? bright lights, epilepsy seizures, tear-gas, onion bombs, smoke? it'd be really lame (lame, in the cool kind of way) if Sasuke could be beaten by someone throwing a smoke bomb in his eye.

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Originally Posted by Abdula

Thats the complete opposite of Naruto's character though, so thats never going to happen.

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Well, before the sage training, I wouldn't have seen Naruto as the type to learn to sit perfectly still, learn to sense the energies surrounding him. Both those things were opposite his character as well. Those are things you'd expect from people who weren't loud mouthes. But he's doing these things. So I don't really see that fighting style being impossible for Naruto or even out of his style, assuming you accept the sage training for him. I mean, it's exactly the type of style I'd expect with that kind of "sensitive" training.

Also, I'll clarify a bit what I meant by the fighting style. The Sharingan uses muscle tensions to predict what movements the person is going to make. This is a fighting style that does nothing until the opponent does something. While doing nothing, there is no muscle tension that can be used in a capacity to predict motion. The Sharingan would either show that it looks like he's going to remain still, or it would show a plethora of possible next moves. Also, even within the fight, tension is let go of as a matter of proceedure as soon as the move is done. Basically, it'll at least significantly gimp the Sharingan's predictive abilities, if not nullify it, on account of the mechanism the sharingan uses to predict motion.

Now, the counters would come based on the opponents actions. Usually, people will see someone do something, the brain processes the information, the body reacts to the processed information when the brain sends a message to the body, and the body sends one back. By feeling the opponents energy, you take out the middleman (i.e. the interpretation of what was seen) . So basically, with enough training in the Naruto world, he might be able to end up fighting blindfolded...yeah, kind of like fighting in a circle of en lol (HxH does make so much more sense). However, attacks themselves are initiated and completed quicker as a result of eliminating the "middleman". So I think that should be fine for countering the sharingan.

Naruto has the wind element to deal with whatever lightning stuff Sasuke has. It's really the fire element that's going to ruin Naruto. Also, I see no reason why someone hasn't thrown a flashbomb in Sasuke's face yet. I mean, Zabuza used mist to conceal his motions from Kakashi. This isn't even a new idea. This manga is so much less than it could be.

What the hell I can't believe I'm discussing this, this is Naruto we're talking about people. There is no reason to believe that this is going to be anything good.

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Originally Posted by Uchiha Barles

Now, the counters would come based on the opponents actions. Usually, people will see someone do something, the brain processes the information, the body reacts to the processed information when the brain sends a message to the body, and the body sends one back. By feeling the opponents energy, you take out the middleman (i.e. the interpretation of what was seen) . So basically, with enough training in the Naruto world, he might be able to end up fighting blindfolded...yeah, kind of like fighting in a circle of en lol (HxH does make so much more sense). However, attacks themselves are initiated and completed quicker as a result of eliminating the "middleman". So I think that should be fine for countering the sharingan.

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HxH did this already, and it was much better, Chapter 240.

Naruto's training went from 'whac-a-mole' to 'lift X wing fighter', and then 'sit on your butt for a while, like Yusuke in YYH', the taijutsu style training is the only montage that feels like training, and not having somebody cram knowledge into Naruto's head.

the instant counter sounds iffy to me, I can accept auto-mode fight, Goku did it, Luffy did it, most the guys in HnI do it, but I don't see how the chackra has a center brain which could deal with ninja fights (fire attacks, making clones, genjutsu, etc, etc). maybe the nine tails can do it (we've seen him do it already, bridge fight). but then it becomes another fight of Sasuke vs kyuubi, with naruto waiting for his chance to scream something motivational ("we are all SPECIAL, Sasuke!").

naruto has wind element, but other than rashurigan, does he know anything? a gust of wind movement? something to dispel electricity? charging his entire surrounding with it? a weapon to channel it? so far, all we know that Naruto can do, is charge with his wind element into an opposing attack of electricity nature, and win. wow, his kemehameha is bigger.
he doesn't have enough skill to take advantage of this yet.

when things go to shitz, Sasuke still has tsukiyomi and Amaretsu, right? and in time, Suzzano, and whatever shanningen Kishi comes up with next.


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Originally Posted by Abdula

What the hell I can't believe I'm discussing this, this is Naruto we're talking about people. There is no reason to believe that this is going to be anything good.

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look, there's always a chance that a red moon will come, the sun won't rise tomorrow and pigs will fly, you can't give up hope just because things are hopeless.

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