Naruto Shippuuden Episode 62

This was a nice episode. Funny as hell, freakin Tsunade xD. You know she wasn't taking any shit, real or perceived. God, and Shikamaru catching it in the mouth lol! "I'm not fat!". I really don't mind some of the canon being mixed in with the filler. Gives them grounding to try and deliver a product that doesn't suck. While this isn't like hxh filler, they've still managed a good level of success thus far. Furthermore, it progresses the story, so that by the time this half filler is done, we may get to actually see some of the cooler stuff that's to come, sooner. But seriously...get off the wind chakra dick, kthx.

I really can't see how this could ever be a good thing. The anime has become at best a spin off series based on the manga. I mean its like DBZ and DBGT and they aren't progressing the story at all. If their intention was to progress the story then why the hell did they have filler in the first place. I know I've been complaining about all the things they have been doing wrong since Shippuuden started but its only gotten worse and worse. I mean this chakra knives thing and how they are trying to beat wind nature into people heads is a perfect example.

I have no idea why they decided to mess everything up like this seeing as the original series tried to stick strictly to the manga as much as possible. This reminds of reading FMA and then watching the anime and going WTF. Its like the series just never recovered from the filler hell they just said, look how well did when fillers were going on so lets just keep em rolling, canon or no canon. Anyway besides everything that is wrong with Shippuuden the main thing I have with this arc is that its changing the rules of how Naruto works and this is really going to ruin the next arc and what was the point of taking something that doesn't happen until atleast two arcs later and putting in a filler episode. This filler is the last straw really, its going to ruin everything that is yet to come. I don't know why they decided not to stick to manga material after episode three but they did and ever since then I've been waiting for things to get better and they haven't at all. I can't even say I'll stick it out and wait for the next canon arc but even the canon episodes were riddled with filler material.

@Darthender: No, no if you just think about it you'll understand why. I know you are one of those people who will take anything the anime throws at you but come on.

While it's true that these fillers won't advance the plot any faster than they've been since Shippuuden, they do give the enjoyment factor a boost. Having watched 50+ episodes of slow plot and minimal action, we're now getting slow plot and decent/good action. While plot inconsistency is evident, I dare say there's enough of it around that one more won't have much effect.

Or maybe it will. After all, you know what's coming up. :)

Oh I see, you do have a point. However the slow plot and minimal action were the studios fault in the first place and now not only are they ruining the action scenes but the plot as well. Yes, while it could be true that there is ever so much wrong with the show that one thing won't have much effect but there is such a thing as the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Plus it isn't a little thing chakra weapons are supposed to be special if everyone can do it with any weapon then it defeats the purpose. Something as little as a color change makes a huge difference, Oodama rasengan for example or the fact that Sasuke's sword and Asuma's knives were both chakra weapons and in the manga were similar in appearance, is significant.

Then there is what I mentioned earlier about them showing that the seal that Kakashi put on Sasuke is still there or why was Naruto's training so important in the first place do you know why, nope. Its like the Z fighters getting all worked up about the android's arrival but Trunks never came back to tell them about it, horrible example but you should get my point. There is a whole bunch of other things as well like if this is a filler arc why do they need to use canon material especially canon material that isn't even from the upcoming arc or even the on that was supposed to come after that.

Besides everything else that they are messing up, the very fact that they are messing with the order of things is important. Despite what people think I actually do like the show which is the only reason why all this stuff gets to me because while this may be enjoyable its nothing like what it could be if they just decided to stick to the manga. So its not what they are doing now its how what they are doing now is going to affect what is supposed to come later.

Anyway strangely enough I've only gotten one neg rep so far in this thread so I'm not going to push it. Besides this isn't the kind of stuff I want to be posting about anyway, I just can't help but point out some of the things that are wrong.

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Originally Posted by Uchiha Barles

While this isn't like hxh filler, they've still managed a good level of success thus far.

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This isn't filler. It can't be filler if it has actual canon stuff in it and the canon episodes aren't redeeming because most of the people here actually prefer this filler stuff over the canon material when putting filler in the canon material is what was wrong with the canon episodes in the first place. I still find it astonishing that the last real canon episode was episode 3. This is Bleach.

I guess I'd be more critical of this filler arc if it weren't more interesting than the previous non-filler arc.

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Originally Posted by Abdula

Plus it isn't a little thing chakra weapons are supposed to be special if everyone can do it with any weapon then it defeats the purpose. Something as little as a color change makes a huge difference, Oodama rasengan for example or the fact that Sasuke's sword and Asuma's knives were both chakra weapons and in the manga were similar in appearance, is significant.

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Well I think if you think about it for a second. If chakra weapons are so special, why would they give them out to people who don't know how to use them? Do they just go around going, "Hey, here's a rare chakra weapon, I'm gonna give this to you even though you've never focuses chakra through a weapon before, and, if you figure it out, hey, great. If not, oh well."

Obviously it would be possible to channel chakra through a normal weapon until you learned how, and a real chakra weapon is simply alot more powerful when you use it.

Also, frankly, you keep saying that sasuke's sword and asuma's weapons look the same and I just don't get what the hell you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Abdula

Oh I see, you do have a point. However the slow plot and minimal action were the studios fault in the first place and now not only are they ruining the action scenes but the plot as well. Yes, while it could be true that there is ever so much wrong with the show that one thing won't have much effect but there is such a thing as the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Plus it isn't a little thing chakra weapons are supposed to be special if everyone can do it with any weapon then it defeats the purpose. Something as little as a color change makes a huge difference, Oodama rasengan for example or the fact that Sasuke's sword and Asuma's knives were both chakra weapons and in the manga were similar in appearance, is significant.

Then there is what I mentioned earlier about them showing that the seal that Kakashi put on Sasuke is still there or why was Naruto's training so important in the first place do you know why, nope. Its like the Z fighters getting all worked up about the android's arrival but Trunks never came back to tell them about it, horrible example but you should get my point. There is a whole bunch of other things as well like if this is a filler arc why do they need to use canon material especially canon material that isn't even from the upcoming arc or even the on that was supposed to come after that.

Besides everything else that they are messing up, the very fact that they are messing with the order of things is important. Despite what people think I actually do like the show which is the only reason why all this stuff gets to me because while this may be enjoyable its nothing like what it could be if they just decided to stick to the manga. So its not what they are doing now its how what they are doing now is going to affect what is supposed to come later.

Anyway strangely enough I've only gotten one neg rep so far in this thread so I'm not going to push it. Besides this isn't the kind of stuff I want to be posting about anyway, I just can't help but point out some of the things that are wrong.


This isn't filler. It can't be filler if it has actual canon stuff in it and the canon episodes aren't redeeming because most of the people here actually prefer this filler stuff over the canon material when putting filler in the canon material is what was wrong with the canon episodes in the first place. I still find it astonishing that the last real canon episode was episode 3. This is Bleach.

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I could tell there was something you weren't pleased about from the post before this.(which I also acknowledged). I was simply furthering the view, that from those who don't know what lies ahead, nothing seems amiss yet, and for now, it's "so far so good". If it's as different as you say it is, maybe they'll end up changing the anime into an adaptation more so than simply animating the manga.

Well, part of the problem is what every anime adapatation of a manga series has to deal with. How do you prevent the anime from catching up to the manga? Hunter x Hunter took the ova approach. Let one arc finish, then make an OVA about said arc. Most other series that I'm aware of take the filler approach. HxH did it during the TV series. Filler isn't always, bad. Sure, finding examples of good filler material is like trying to find a small diamond in a pool of doodoo, but it's still a true statement.

The thing with this filler, is that I find it entertaining minus a couple of things. There really are only two things that's going to make things to come have less of an impact, and both those things are related. I'd say more on this but I think it might constitute spoiler. However, I don't think it's going to be as bad as you're making it out to be. Certain other things about the people involved will make up for it. For one, even though there's some canon material in this filler, 90% of it is still filler, that's why I call it filler.

I should have been clearer on this, but what I meant to say, was they that they have a chance to advance the actual plot with this filler. However, they've yet to actually do so. Nothing thus far that occured in the manga concerning the characters they've introduced, has occured here. So I'm taking this filler as a fleshing out of some potentially ineresting characters, and of the fire country itself. Konoha is the fire country's military might, but we don't know anything at all concerning the fire country. This is a nice way of trying to flesh out that aspect of things.

And about the canon episodes, I don't really consider all the staring contests to be filler. Everything that happened in those episodes, happened in the manga as far as I recall. That's just an example of animating the chapters, very, very, VERY, poorly. Horrible job, but not filler.

I guess because I'm not a manga reader, I don't realize how its "screwing up the manga story".

I assumed that they took a small piece of side plot, one that Kishimoto had no intention of going any further with(in this case, Asuma, the 12 guardians, etc.), and then making an arc out of it that expands the Naruto universe.

Basically, just like the arc in the old Naruto fillers that explored Anko's backstory. Except that this one isn't shitty.

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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian

I could tell there was something you weren't pleased about from the post before this.(which I also acknowledged). I was simply furthering the view, that from those who don't know what lies ahead, nothing seems amiss yet, and for now, it's "so far so good". If it's as different as you say it is, maybe they'll end up changing the anime into an adaptation more so than simply animating the manga.

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Which is exactly what I don't want but its far too late for that because it has already happened. They have been doing it for a long time and the anime only viewers are none the wiser that is the problem, its to the point where the anime and the manga are not only different but have completely different rules. I wouldn't have a problem with that if not for the fact that the manga is leagues better, so the anime viewers end up missing out, not only on the action but the plot as well, which wasn't necessary. Anyway it looks like I'll just have to accept the fact that the manga and anime are going to be so different which honestly wouldn't be a problem if not for the fact that the anime is so bad. Anyway I'm resigned to just sitting back and watching now.

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Originally Posted by DarthEnder

I guess I'd be more critical of this filler arc if it weren't more interesting than the previous non-filler arc.Well I think if you think about it for a second. If chakra weapons are so special, why would they give them out to people who don't know how to use them? Do they just go around going, "Hey, here's a rare chakra weapon, I'm gonna give this to you even though you've never focuses chakra through a weapon before, and, if you figure it out, hey, great. If not, oh well."

Obviously it would be possible to channel chakra through a normal weapon until you learned how, and a real chakra weapon is simply alot more powerful when you use it.

Also, frankly, you keep saying that sasuke's sword and asuma's weapons look the same and I just don't get what the hell you're talking about.

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I think you misunderstand something. Asuma didn't give Naruto and Sora any chakra weapons the knives are the only chakra weapons he has and the only other person thus far with another chakra weapon is Sasuke. That you don't know what I'm talking about is exactly my point they are supposed to look the same but for some reason they changed Sasuke's sword. I made a big fuss about it a few threads back, you can go back and check if you want. Also it isn't about whether people know how to channel their chakra through a weapon or not its whether the weapon can conduct and react to the chakra. Take the paper Kakashi used to find out what kind of nature Naruto had for example. If he could have used any kind of paper and simply channel his chakra through it, then wasting time growing trees that they nurture with chakra just to get that paper would be pointless and the paper itself would have no value.

Anyway its not that I disagree with you on the concept of how it might work its simply that if it did work it would devalue the chakra weapons and then they would have to of course explain why other ninjas simply don't do it because it doesn't only work with wind nature. The problem is that here the anime is doing something that according to the manga they shouldn't be able to do and the only way to correct that would be the change that when the anime gets to that point. Something they will and have done in the past, thats if they even bother to pay attention to it, and it wouldn't be necessary at all if they didn't change it in the first place. The very fact that you don't see anything wrong there is why I have a problem with it in the first place because its goes against what was established in the manga.

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@ Uchiha Barles. I'm not talking about the strecting, the stretching is just stretching. I do find this filler entertaining, its hilarious if nothing else and that is what I was expecting them to do with filler, flesh out, which is why I said before that I was actually looking forward to this filer but thats not what they have been doing. As for the canon stuff they have been using I don't see the point. Yes there has been canon stuff they have been using rather well actually like the Twelve Guardians but then there is other stuff they have been using that isn't at all related to the characters they are using in this filler and if they have been using it to advance the plot I wouldn't have a problem with it but as you said they haven't so I don't see the point. It is indeed very hard to explain what things with out spoilers especially considering the fact that they have been moving events around so even things that are related to whats going on and that the anime viewers should already know hasn't been shown yet.

@ DE: Thats the thing they aren't just doing stuff like what they were doing in previous fillers, like Anko's back story. They are actually using canon stuff canon stuff that Kishi embellishes on later and the only way it could make sense is if they change that too when the anime gets to that point. That wouldn't be screwing up the manga story it would be screwing up the anime story because they still intend on using it.

Anyway this is the last time I intend to speak on the matter.

I get you now.

Wait....how is this screwing up the storyline? There's no canon in this episode.

If anything I detest the fact that this chakrabladetraining was Naruto vs. Sasuke running up a tree 2.0. That, and the shit Abdula pointed out. For once, I actually agree with him.

I kinda liked the ep

It was a quiet episode but they were still able to add some "fights" into it and it was quite funny.

PS: Evil potato... FUNNIEH!! XD

Having read the manga, I have no idea what the hell you guys are taking about. this is actually more enjoyable to me, with an interesting villain. (hey, he even says "thanks!")

btw... anyone else think the potato guy is Kazuma? brought back from the dead... or never dead to begin with?

who is kazuma?

If I remember right, it's Sora's dad.

If that's true then Sora still has a lot to learn about eating potatoes if he ever intends to reach his old man's level.

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If that's true then Sora still has a lot to learn about eating potatoes if he ever intends to reach his old man's level.

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Yes especially the Potato Art: Potato-lightning no-jutsu

So the potato guy is Sora's dad?? interesting theory

If it is and he was brought back from the dead/somehow survived/almost died whatever, I think Asuma was the one who beat him down and killed/almost killed him. Thats why Asuma seemed iffy on talking to Sora about his dad.

From the way Asuma talked about Kazuma, it sounds like them two were really close friends. Perhaps they stayed that way, each acknowledging, but disagreeing with the other's belief.