Sasuke vs. Naruto

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Originally posted by: kupalmaru

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Originally posted by: HotSauce

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Originally posted by: kupalmaru

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Originally posted by: Merezz
chidori takes a long time to set up and can only be done 2-3 times by Sasuke before he is screwed. Rasengan can't be copied because it isn't a bunch of seals that are moved, it's about chakra control, Sasuke can't see chakra moving - Neji can

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But chidori is good for a quick kill.

When Jiraya demonstrated rasengan for the first time to Naruto, Jiraya just stun the guy.

If Chidori was use instead of rasengan, the guy should be dead on the spot.


I don't know if this point has been already posted.

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If you payed attention, you would have distinctly heard that Jiraya had held back alot so that the man wouldnt die. If he used even half the power the man would be dead, had he used 100% of his power I bet the man would explode!

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First of all Im not saying that chidori is more powerfull than rasengan. I said it is good for a quick kill.

Unlike chidori, you dont get rasengan at full power. Which could put you on a unfavorable position.

A good example of this is when Naruto hit Kabuto with rasengan. When Kabuto got hit by rasengan for the first time, the power of rasengan is still weak. Because the power of rasengan is still weak, Kabuto manage to move his hand and stop the flow of chakra to Naruto's heart.

If chidori was use instead of rasengan, Kabuto may not have been able to move his hand.

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chidori is easier to learn than resengan tho. resengan is all about controling the chakra where as chidori is un controled its only a whole heap of chakra that has been focused on the hand. also it needs to be touching something when its used other wise he will lose it. sasuke learnt how to use chidori and master it, the only downside is he is still slow. resengan is much harder to learn. it took the 4th 3 years to master it..., look what happened to the tree when he showed naruto the difference between a little bit of chakra and 100%. he took the tree out in a second. if naruto could use it at 100% then he could have put it through kabuto.

I'm pretty sure the incident being spoken of when Jiraiya used the Rasengan on the tree twice to show Naruto, was not where Jiraiya used varying powers in doing the Rasengan. The firts time he scratched the tree he was doing the Rasengan without containing the power of the rasengan, and the second time hewas containing it. He was trying to demonstrate to Naruto why the third step is necessary.

As for Kabuto being able to strike back while Naruto was doing the rasengan on him, I think that was more to do with the fact that he finally remembered he had a hand free, and used it. If that had had been held by Naruto or the Kage Bunshin, then he wouldn't have been able to attack Naruto like that.

So we just need Sasuke and Naruto to fight each other for some reason and then we will see.
Rasengan vs Chidori ? I bet on the Rasengan because if Naruto use it with Bunshins ....
Mamamia

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Originally posted by: RoGG
This is ridiculous. There is no way Sasuke could win. Naruto would probably take some heavy beating but would still be victorious in the end. I mean, have you forgotten about Gaara? Sasuke didn't stand a chance against the might of Gaara but Naruto did, he even beat him. Remember the look on Sasukes face when Gaara and Naruto clashed? Pure horror.
Also consider this. Lee fought Gaara pretty even, won a prefight against Sasuke and said the strongest genin is Neji. Neji got beaten by Naruto.

When measuring basic skills Sasuke clearly surpass Naruto, but it's the other way around when raw power is to be measured. Sasuke doesn't stand a chance against the Nine Tail chakra.

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Naruto ,didint do anything almost its all thanks do Boss frog

Do you even watch the actual anime ? or did you get in around nr80 skipped a couple eps and then got back into it or some ? because I'm pretty sure Naruto did more thne just summon the Gamabunta

yeah the tadpole...jhahaha

heh, it was an ADVANCED TADPOLE!!!@@ ><

ok don't fry me for expressing some opinions...

I don't think sasuke is faster than a kyuubi psyched naruto, he was extremely fast against neiji, impossible to tell if he was or wasn't the same speed as sasuke because sasuke hasn't fought neiji, bet hey is avoided kunai in mid air and neji was having a bit of trouble tracking his speed, in particular he was a bit late preparing his defense for the final assault...

also, I am wondering if rasengan might be able to be used defensively? maybe he can block the chidori with the rasengan. I just recall that the rasengan is something like chakra moving in all directions, so its quite chaotic. gotta be interesting if some tard just charges into it. not sure if he's got it powerful enough for that yet though...

I also think everyone gotta stop saying that naruto will only win because he has kyuubi. Yes he didn't have it when he was born, but the fact is he has it now, and it his trump card, like sharingan is sasuke's, the gates thing is rock lee's (which he didn't have when he was born either), neiji has byakuugan, gaara wasn't born with a demon inside him but nobody whines about that...

overall I think sasuke versus naruto could end in a draw, or at least naruto will edge it. like many ppl said, he has the will to win, when sasuke was about to get raped by gaara he seemed to be accepting that it might be his death and he might not get the chance to avenge his parents death (if i remember correctly). Naruto would never accept his end like that, he'd fight to the bitter end.

naruto had kyubi in him just after/little wait after he was born...
he was a new born...

gaara had the incarnation of sand attached to him through ninjutsu..
gaara was born a monster!

If that's true (I don't really remember, it does mean technically gaara was born with it lol man thats a testimony to timing is everything...

If Naruto used Rasengan with Kage Bunshin, each Rasengan would be weaker with a Bunshin because the chakra would have to be spread out amongst them, and they all have to add up to Naruto's total chakra. So each Rasengan would be less effective.

And as for Gamabunta being summoned, Sasuke could probably just run up his back and hit Naruto... as I have said before in order for Naruto to win he needs to be able to control his chakra better and be able to call out a medium sized frog, so that it could fight with Sasuke... that's if it could cathc up with him.

A battle between the two of them should end very quickly if they wanted to kill each other.

Every battle that Naruto's been in has involved an enemy that wasn't really trying to kill him for a while. In fact, it is only at the very end of the battle where his life is actually in danger. That's why he has time to whip out his cool moves.


We all know that Naruto has failed in the vast majority of his attempts at summoning and rasengan. Out of dozens of attempts, he's managed to summon Gamabunta twice, and out of hundreds of attempts, he got rasengan once.

We also know he still can't summon Gamabunta whenever he wants, because he got that weak-ass frog last time. So clearly, the two times he did get Gama were flukes.


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As I said, a quick-and-dirty ninja battle like the ones shown in the invasion would just involve kunai or shuriken. With his speed, Sasuke would probably win within seconds.

However, if the fight were to last for a couple of episodes, the result would certainly be different. As I said, Naruto needs some time to get worked up.

Yea its like for some stupid reason he doesnt go all out from the start... like DBZ where say Goku was fighting Kid Buu or when Gohan is fighting bojack... they don't go all out at maximum power until the end.

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Originally posted by: I Sasuke I
dont diss dbz, dbz is the shit... all fighting anime originated from it one way or another.. and there still isnt nutin wrong with it til this day. imo.

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I didn't say there was anything wrong with it! But I think your saying things that people were sayng for DBZ like this person can beat this person because of one move or because he has more power or because he is faster.....you can't do that with Naruto, thats all im saying.

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We all know that Naruto has failed in the vast majority of his attempts at summoning and rasengan. Out of dozens of attempts, he's managed to summon Gamabunta twice, and out of hundreds of attempts, he got rasengan once.

We also know he still can't summon Gamabunta whenever he wants, because he got that weak-ass frog last time. So clearly, the two times he did get Gama were flukes.

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he has finally learnt the rasengan the other times he is learning how to do the technique...now that he has done it he he'll be able to do it whenever
both times naruto summoned gamabunta was when he used kyubi chakra to summon him...he cant summon bunta with his own chakra..

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Originally posted by: kAi

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We all know that Naruto has failed in the vast majority of his attempts at summoning and rasengan. Out of dozens of attempts, he's managed to summon Gamabunta twice, and out of hundreds of attempts, he got rasengan once.

We also know he still can't summon Gamabunta whenever he wants, because he got that weak-ass frog last time. So clearly, the two times he did get Gama were flukes.

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he has finally learnt the rasengan the other times he is learning how to do the technique...now that he has done it he he'll be able to do it whenever
both times naruto summoned gamabunta was when he used kyubi chakra to summon him...he cant summon bunta with his own chakra..

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I'm afraid I'll believe that when I see it. I thought he would be able to summon Gamabunta whenever he wanted too after ep 78, but look what happened.

As for using the Kyuubi chakra that second time, I'm not too sure. I saw no indication that he borrowed any energy.

Gamabunta and Naruto can use a Combi Transform technique ...
What about Naruto using Combi Kage Bunshin with Gamabunta .... ?

Naruto's not so great with henge.

Remember when he tried to turn into the 3rd? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by: Kagemane_no_Jutsu

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Originally posted by: I Sasuke I
dont diss dbz, dbz is the shit... all fighting anime originated from it one way or another.. and there still isnt nutin wrong with it til this day. imo.

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I didn't say there was anything wrong with it! But I think your saying things that people were sayng for DBZ like this person can beat this person because of one move or because he has more power or because he is faster.....you can't do that with Naruto, thats all im saying.

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Not all fighting Anime originated from DBZ, I Sasuke I. DBZ actually uses concepts similar to other Animes and asian shows/stories/books before its time, but is just more popular here in the US. The Fireball Goku uses is over used in many Asian shows, and becoming stronger and defeating a superior oponent is not new at all.

I do not think DBZ should ever be compared with Naruto, since Naruto is a story on its own right, with its own concepts. If you think Naruto is derived from DBZ, then DBZ is derived from so many before it.

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Originally posted by: Inazuma Kami
Gamabunta and Naruto can use a Combi Transform technique ...
What about Naruto using Combi Kage Bunshin with Gamabunta .... ?

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In that case, we will have a very flat and permanent hidden village. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
Yea its like for some stupid reason he doesnt go all out from the start... like DBZ where say Goku was fighting Kid Buu or when Gohan is fighting bojack... they don't go all out at maximum power until the end.

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Again, we should not have the DBZ comparison. Naruto does go all out at the beginning of every fight. It's just that he does not have control of Kyubi chakra yet, so he can't until he really needs it. Think of the Itachi fight... He tried to summon Gamabunta right away. As kAi, stated, the reason why he can't summon Gamabunta always is because his own chakra is insufficient.

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Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
If Naruto used Rasengan with Kage Bunshin, each Rasengan would be weaker with a Bunshin because the chakra would have to be spread out amongst them, and they all have to add up to Naruto's total chakra. So each Rasengan would be less effective.

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I would agree that it would be less effective; however, if Naruto uses Kyubi chakra, each Rasengan will be more than enough, and he could probably take out an army himself with just those 2 techniques combined. I don't know if this would be possible, but it would be cool to see.

Thanks for the compliment on the previous page, piasEnigma. Glad my first post here wasn't a stinker.

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Originally posted by: wirm
Naruto's not so great with henge.

Remember when he tried to turn into the 3rd? [img][/img]

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Wasn't that at the beginning of the series when he sucked ?

he hasn't had any practice at turning into giant toads [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by: Merezz
ok obviously this topic has been covered before - but i looked on the entire first page and saw nothing, so now that Naruto has Rasengan and Sasuke has Chidori and his Sharingan pretty well under control who do you guys think is more powerful?

I honestly think that Sasuke is a major pussy, he only talks big and acts like a badass but he gets his face kicked in most of the time. An example of this being when he fought the transformed Gaara he was just sitting their crying. He says he's an "avenger" but really.. he's not going to beat Itachi any time soon, and look at what itachi did to him in their first meeting?

Naruto on the other pretty much did beat Kabuto, who was on the same level as Kakashi, does this mean that Naruto is already on the same level of Kakashi? And can kakashi even do the Rasengan move? i've come to the conclusion that Naruto has already passed, or become equal to Kakashi. Although naruto does have his bad points, what with being a loud mouth and rushing into things. He at least gets done what he says he's going to do and doesn't just talk a big game (hi sasuke)

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nevermind this i just searched for it and found topic under a different name

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I don't care what you say about anybody or anything because its just your opinion, but its not right to hate on sasuke for his main screw ups. Basically all your doing is pointing out everything that Sasuke screwed up on and picking out all the things that Naruto succeded at. As for Sasuke V.S. Naruto I would have to say sasuke. Not because Sasuke is my favorite charcter it's because he actually thinks about what he is going to do before he does it, whereas Naruto does that ocasionally.

i have to say right now, that sasuke would beat naruto.

1st of all ill take a trip down memory lane and introduce a flawless theory that was inexplicably shot down by people here when i first arrived. the theory of rock paper scissors. now just because gaara could beat sasuke and naruto beat gaara doesnt mean that naruto could beat sasuke. first off we have to point to the fact that without summons, the chances are that naruto would have been utterly crushed by gaara. i can say this with almost 100% certainty as gaara had naruto beat before he sumoned gambunta (yes he was transformed BUT he sand has the same effect). so lets say (sorry for the slight DBZ ref) base gaara can beat naruto (nine tails or not its debatable if he was actually using it i think, but i would go wiht yes). we also saw how sasuke was on the verge of beating base gaara. he pierced his shell and his speed was said to be equal to lees (who could physically strike gaara) couple that with the sharingan then we have to say sasuke>base gaara.

now then assuming naruto did attempt to summon gambunta there are a few possible outcomes other than the obvious one that people see to go for (contrary to evidence) a) gambunta sits on sasuke=end of sasuke b) gambunta isnt even summoned somthign else is c) gambunta refuses to fight against sasuke. so then with his biggest asset out the way lets move on. rasengan (sp??) would be almost useless, reason why? narutop couldnt possibly hit sasuke with it, at no time is naruto credited with lee/sasuke type speed, so sasuke can move quicker he also has the sharingan to preempt any movements, in effect sasuke can almost react to narutos movements the instant he makes them.

i really think sasuke would beat naruto, but do i think sasuke could beat kabito? hell no. narutos insane healing is what helped him through that. could sasuke beat neji? i highley doubt it.

i didn't even read any of this because the post has gotten too big. If naruto was in danger of dying, he would use Kyubi chakra and summon gamabunta and fight would be over. THAT is his ability, just as the sharingan is Sasuke's ability. Summoning the frog is a skill just liek any other thing.

what you dont think anyone has thought of that? your not special, every poster on the board isnt slapping there forehead right now saying "damn why didnt i think of that!!"

First of all, the show is called.. NARUTO. which kinda leads u to the fact that naruto is the main character which means they always triumph. But to tell the truth Sasuke > naruto.

to tell you the truth - sasuke eats penis [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by: Merezz
to tell you the truth - sasuke eats penis [img][/img]

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Wait.. I thought this was the no manga spoilers forum?? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]


j/k of course...

hmm chambers ..you say don't think Sasuke could beat Kabuto, don't think Sasuke could be Neji, but Sasuke could beat Naruto, yet, Naruto beat Kabuto, Naruto beat Neji, also Sasuke couldn't beat Gaara, Naruto beat Gaara

Well, I would say Naruto among other things, he's the main character, he has kyuubi (more or massive power, healing), he has 2 sannin/kage level jutsu, hmm and Naruto just seems to pull through in the end. Also if it was Rasengan vs Chidori, looks like Chidori takes more time to charge than Rasengan

Also generally if it's Naruto he's fighting to protect,/prove himself/try to be Hokage, while Sasuke''s comes from his passion for revenge which means Narutos drive would be stronger than Sasuke's also as well as the fact that Naruto changes people. He has the effect of making them realize things or just to change them (which you can say happened with Zabuza, Neji, Gaara) Sasuke is a top cadidate for one who needs change so there is another reason Naruto would probably win.

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Originally posted by: ShinobiNeko
Also if it was Rasengan vs Chidori, looks like Chidori takes more time to charge than Rasengan

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the problem with chidori vs rasengan is that naruto can't move around as fast as sasuke can with his chidori. in order for naruto to hit sasuke with the rasengan, naruto would have to grab sasuke first and sasuke is quite the fast guy. if the battle was soley decided on chidori and how it's used vs rasengan and how that is used, i'd say, sasuke would win.

Mut@t@, it was mentioned before that Chidori is a straight thrust, and the target needs to be stationary for it to work. In Gaara's case, he was charging, without fear, towards Sasuke, so Sasuke was able to hit him. I think if Naruto just moved to the side before Sasuke comes, he should be able to dodge the attack. The Rasengan, on the other hand, is not so one dimensional. Naruto could point it up, down, left, right, or whichever direction he wants to use it. It is more versatile than Chidori, so it should be more effective.

Besides, as ShinobiNeko said, Naruto has more heart than Sasuke, and heart will usually win in the end.

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Originally posted by: thundrakkon
Mut@t@, it was mentioned before that Chidori is a straight thrust, and the target needs to be stationary for it to work. In Gaara's case, he was charging, without fear, towards Sasuke, so Sasuke was able to hit him. I think if Naruto just moved to the side before Sasuke comes, he should be able to dodge the attack. The Rasengan, on the other hand, is not so one dimensional. Naruto could point it up, down, left, right, or whichever direction he wants to use it. It is more versatile than Chidori, so it should be more effective.

Besides, as ShinobiNeko said, Naruto has more heart than Sasuke, and heart will usually win in the end.

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are you saying that sasuke can't point his chidori in any direction? i don't see how the actual action of hitting with the chidori is any different than the action of hitting with the rasengan. hitting with the rasengan is also a form of thrusting. and if you're going with "i think if naruto just moved to the side before sasuke comes..." logic, just don't ignore that it can happen both ways. sasuke can just move to the side before naruto comes... blah blah.

anyway, that stuff about having more heart so that's why he will win is all crap. who's to say that sasuke doesn't have heart? he saved others' lives just like how naruto has and he also very determined.

As far as I can remember, Sasuke needs to run a distance and in a straight line to use Chidori. Naruto does not have that problem, since he could probably stand stationary and use Rasengan. As far as moving to the side to avoid an attach, with Rasengan, I do not think it would necessary disappear after Naruto strikes. Think of it like a weapon, a knife or such, that Naruto is holding in his hand. As long as he can control the chakra, he should be able to move Rasengan around and continually hold it until he hits something. Sasuke has one straight strike from his run, and if he misses, there goes 1/3 of his chakra.

As far as Sasuke's heart, he saves them because he thinks he is better and he should save them. His true desire is to kill Itachi, not to save those he cares about, which I am not even sure if he cares for anybody. He has improved in his personality since the beginning, but his true determination to do for others is not there yet. His only desire for fighting is to get better and to win over his opponent, not to show by example or to fight for those he cares for.

Sasuke is an Egoist , Naruto actually "cares".

Besides, and I've said this already so many times. And I'm not even talking about Kyuubi Naruto, because that would be BS, but Naruto has EVEN got more Jutsu's.
Lets face it, Naruto can build a combo out every Jutsu he has, but Sasuke can't. Added to that, is the fact that Sasuke never pulls anything "smart" and Naruto always seems to do that exact thing, by accident, but he does it.

Sasuke needs quite allot time to "build" the Chidori, where Naruto can do it in several seconds AND most importantly, to GAIN SPEED<--- while using Chidori, it has to touch a surface (wall, floor, ceiling, you name it) it works just like a TGV (train a grande vitesse, or highspeed train) using electromagnetic vibes to improve speed and velocity. To hit, he has to "thrust"the Chidori forward, so he has to always be facing his opponent. The rasengan has far better moveability, because Naruto could just bend his arm, as long as he keeps concentrated (I think this is what Thundrakkon meant)

edit: i seem to be right :X

But Naruto dosen't have that whole revenge thing that kind of holds Sasuke back. I won't say that Sasuke dosen't have heart but I think it's clear that Naruto has more heart than Sasuke, which is why Naruto was able to defeat his opponents, the fact that Sasuke's desire comes from revenge and in the early episodes Sasuke said something about he would become evil or something like that, don't remember exactly what he said but something along those lines, to defeat his brother, if that's the case then his motivation is not that like Naruto's, which is well, more pure hearted and like thundrakkon said more heart=usually win in the end.

If it were that they were to fight at the moment, Naruto has seend Chidori, while Sasuke knows nothing about Rasengan, so I think that would give Naruto the upperhand. Though Sasuke may be faster than Naruto, but seems Chidori has to be charged up, which Rasengan seems to be faster conjuring. And it does seem that Chidori is more of a foreward thrust attack.

But if it was Chidori vs Rasengan probably would be like in generally they both run towards each other with their attack, then there is a big exposion upon impact, there ensues the battle of overpowerment and then probably a dust cloud and when it rises you see the victor. I think Naruto would be the one standing if it were that though, since Rasengans power can be controlled and Naruto has more chakra than Sasuke and, well, when needed he taps more kyuubi power.

Not that I dislike Sasuke or anything, but just think Naruto would win.

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Originally posted by: thundrakkon
As far as I can remember, Sasuke needs to run a distance and in a straight line to use Chidori. Naruto does not have that problem, since he could probably stand stationary and use Rasengan. As far as moving to the side to avoid an attach, with Rasengan, I do not think it would necessary disappear after Naruto strikes. Think of it like a weapon, a knife or such, that Naruto is holding in his hand. As long as he can control the chakra, he should be able to move Rasengan around and continually hold it until he hits something. Sasuke has one straight strike from his run, and if he misses, there goes 1/3 of his chakra.

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yeah, the problem for naruto is that he needs focus to maintain his rasengan and we've never seen him move around while using it up to the third step. and where is the advantage in standing still and trying to hit a person over running around and trying to hit a person? anyway, right now, sasuke's chidori is more fatal and naruto's rasengan because the chidori impales while rasengan just hits like a super hard punch. think of getting hit by a chidori is same as getting hit by a spear and getting hit by rasengan is same as getting hit by a bat. the spear can do more damage.

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Originally posted by: ?igma
...but Naruto has EVEN got more Jutsu's.

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what? no. sasuke knows everything naruto knows besides kage bunshin no jutsu (excluding sexy no jutsu...). knowledge of rasengan is nullified by sasuke's chidori. i'd think that the #1 rookie knows more jutsus than freaking naruto.

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Sasuke needs quite allot time to "build" the Chidori, where Naruto can do it in several seconds AND most importantly, to GAIN SPEED<--- while using Chidori, it has to touch a surface (wall, floor, ceiling, you name it) it works just like a TGV (train a grande vitesse, or highspeed train) using electromagnetic vibes to improve speed and velocity. To hit, he has to "thrust"the Chidori forward, so he has to always be facing his opponent. The rasengan has far better moveability, because Naruto could just bend his arm, as long as he keeps concentrated (I think this is what Thundrakkon meant)

edit: i seem to be right :X

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why do you guys keep bringing up the charge time for the chidori? did you guys forget that sasuke did it in a second while in the hallway? naruto's rasengan (up to the third step) takes way more time to 'build' and not only that, he has to have a clone next to him helping him out. and why do you ignore the fact that the motion of hitting with the chidori is similar, if not the same, as the motion of hitting with the rasengan? it's not like rasengan is a bomb where it explodes anything it touches. and about sasuke needing to face his opponents for the chidori... why doesn't naruto have to face his opponent? like i said, rasengan doesn't explode everything it touches so naruto can't be turned around and just use the rasengan... naruto has to thrust like sasuke has to with his chidori. and i don't see how the rasengan has far better mobility, i don't think either of the two techniques have the upper hand in that. and what are you right about...?

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Originally posted by: ShinobiNeko
If it were that they were to fight at the moment, Naruto has seend Chidori, while Sasuke knows nothing about Rasengan, so I think that would give Naruto the upperhand. Though Sasuke may be faster than Naruto, but seems Chidori has to be charged up, which Rasengan seems to be faster conjuring. And it does seem that Chidori is more of a foreward thrust attack.

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read what i said about this charging up stuff. chidori doesn't need charge up time, sasuke pulled one out right away without needing to charge up. and stop bringing this forward thrust argument... how is the motion of hitting with the rasengan any different???

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Originally posted by: Merezz
to tell you the truth - sasuke eats penis [img][/img]

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Yes he dose

this is rubbish sasuke would hammer naruto. narutos attacks are all jujutsu and taijutsu and we know unless your the absolute cream of the crop a)tai wont work on sasuke b)sasuke is by far the supirior jujitsu. this charging motion idea is bull. its chidoris STRENGTH that sasuke can run 10m and hammer that thing into someones chest, whereas naruto has to stand there, creat a clone, build up the move then attack. and the chance of naruto actually fooling the incredibly clever sasuke (sure naruto can surprise people but when sasuke fights to the best of his ability is ruthless) and grabbign him is so small its not even worth talking about

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what? no. sasuke knows everything naruto knows besides kage bunshin no jutsu (excluding sexy no jutsu...). knowledge of rasengan is nullified by sasuke's chidori. i'd think that the #1 rookie knows more jutsus than freaking naruto.

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BS , Sasuke only knows standalone jutsu's , Naruto can combine any jutsu he has, with another. All I've seen is Sasuke pretending to be the master and Naruto always coming up better. Sorry, but you cant deny FACTS
Believing that Sasuke has more jutsu is one thing, but seeing it in the anime is another(It never happened ?). Sasuke just sasucks and you people actually still believe in him :?
He cant beat Naruto ~~

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Originally posted by: thundrakkon
Mut@t@, it was mentioned before that Chidori is a straight thrust, and the target needs to be stationary for it to work. In Gaara's case, he was charging, without fear, towards Sasuke, so Sasuke was able to hit him. I think if Naruto just moved to the side before Sasuke comes, he should be able to dodge the attack. The Rasengan, on the other hand, is not so one dimensional. Naruto could point it up, down, left, right, or whichever direction he wants to use it. It is more versatile than Chidori, so it should be more effective.

Besides, as ShinobiNeko said, Naruto has more heart than Sasuke, and heart will usually win in the end.

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well lets see if you have some heart left after ur whole family is killed by ur brother!

Chidori can be built up just as fast as Rasengan, if not quicker. The rasengan I'm talking about ehre is Naruto's version, not Jiraiya's version.

Sasuke is not stupid, that he won't take a big ball of chakra in Naruto's hand to be something dangerous and something that needs to be treated with caution.

Sasuke would pwn Naruto in taijutsu, there is no question about that.

The only question is ninjutsu, and as I have said before Kuchiose would be useless, Kage Bunshin would mean each clone would be weaker than Naruto himself and thefore you get the Neji situation. As for spreading Kyuubi chakra in each of the clones, I think that would not be possible with Kage Bunshin, since Kyuubi isn't actually a part of Naruto and something seperate to him, in him. To do that you would probably need something like Shuriken Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, that the Third did against Oro... he cloned something that was not a part of him and it was a different Jutsu. Naruto hasn't shown he can do that yet.

As for this whole heart thing, heart doesn't count as much as people are making it out to be. Lee had way more heart that Gaara yet Gaara still won.

add "main character + Heart " and we have a winner ~~
You people sawk, Chidori is way slower, it took him a whole conversation with Itatchi before it was ready -_-

It took Kabuto to stand still like a moron to be hit by the rasengan!

theyre both strong

Ok, one I understand Naruto is the main character. And like all cartoons/tv shows/movies/etc. the main character must always look better, act better and well you get the idea. The problem here is this is our opinions of what we have seen, and in my cases read in the sub titles.

I personnaly think Sasuke could be Naruto, not because i am a fan of his "character" but because I think he is that much more faster, smarter, and deadlier then Naruto. The only way I think Naruto as it stands NOW, would be either Kyubi (forget that because its BS in this case) or if can master one hundred percent of his Resengen (sp??) right that instant which he can't.

Ok, Sasuke has been incompacitated for a couple episodes, but we are only shown things in Naruto's perspective, not Sasukes, or any other character (besides the few cutscenes from the main story). That being said, you have to sort of guess that Sasuke has been learning new skills on the side, like before the whole Chunin Tournament. I mean, can you honestly believe that small scene of him in the desert or where ever with kakashi shooting that massive ball of power (can't remember what its called) is all he learned. Be realistic, he knew that before Kakashi, and Kakashi was just proving a point.

Now, before the last battle in the tournament, don't forgett he was being taught by that elite junin, and he was not saying Naruto had more chakra, but has alot more stemina because he would have to with the stupid ways he uses it. Naruto is much more all out brutal strength (u can tell by the way he fights, direct and hard) where Sasuke is alot more agile, and goes at multiple points, with speed, and strength and uses his brain in a fight.

Like i said, this is just my opinion, so stop with all the bitching and shutting people down for there own opinions because they don't coincide with your own. Personnaly I think Sasuke is more mature and over all a better character then Naruto, Naruto is just one step ahead of a baby really, all you need to do is throw on some dippers and then he's set!

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Ok, Sasuke has been incompacitated for a couple episodes, but we are only shown things in Naruto's perspective, not Sasukes, or any other character (besides the few cutscenes from the main story). That being said, you have to sort of guess that Sasuke has been learning new skills on the side, like before the whole Chunin Tournament. I mean, can you honestly believe that small scene of him in the desert or where ever with kakashi shooting that massive ball of power (can't remember what its called) is all he learned. Be realistic, he knew that before Kakashi, and Kakashi was just proving a point.

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do you mean where kakashi was climbing the mountain to meet sasuke...
the place where gaara visits them..?

if so

sasuke only learned the chidori with kakashi...
all he did there was taijutsu training to get lees speed...
so he could use the chidori..

Hey you never know with Naruto, he could totally master Rasengan in the fight with Sasuke, cause that's the kind of person Naruto is [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

Hopefully this fight happens in the anime then we can find out once and for all who would win, instead of speculating

Thats true ShinobiNeko, vary true, and that would be a cool fight. But i think if they were to fight, no matter who wins, they would come back and fight again. I sort of see Naruto and Sasuke's relationship sort of like Gai and Kakashi's if you know what I mean (same with Lee/Naji). Which would still be cool all the same.

kAi: ya, I think thats the one, I didn't realize they were just doing Taijutsu, I thought they were doing both, but ya, It could be just that, still his Taijutsu is stronger then Naruto's, and his ability to control Chakra is still better.

Anyway, I'm kinda glad I when I cam back no one flamed me or something lol.

HEY RAPOSO WTF's WRONG WITH YOU??
your sig is too big!! OMFG [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]

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BS , Sasuke only knows standalone jutsu's , Naruto can combine any jutsu he has, with another. All I've seen is Sasuke pretending to be the master and Naruto always coming up better. Sorry, but you cant deny FACTS
Believing that Sasuke has more jutsu is one thing, but seeing it in the anime is another(It never happened ?). Sasuke just sasucks and you people actually still believe in him :?
He cant beat Naruto ~~

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this is just all wrong. if you can't think of examples where sasuke has been creative in a fight then just talking now, you're just gonna make a fool of yourself.

Why are you guys still arguing over this? If Sasuke is stronger than Naruto it will be shown in a fight between them...

As far to my knowledge, both Naruto and Sasuke are great, and I think you can't compare their strength because of the difference in the way they fight. Sasuke is more tactical and calculating trying to read the future in fights whilst Naruto goes with the flow, tries to beat the enemy on his own level and do everything straight out... Naruto also has a lot of stamina and willpower which makes him a good ninja (although laking in a lot of ways that may seem to be the "real" way of the ninja). Naruto said he wasn't going to become a ninja like all the others, and so far he is doing great according to me...

But Sasuke, although I disliked him for condesending Naruto and being a bit arrogant I must say that as the series has developed, I can see that he has great respect for Naruto and that he isn't as arrogant as he first seemed to be... And Sasuke is a great ninja no matter what anyone says...

Oh, and by the way... You can all just give it a rest trying to figure out who would win in a fight between Naruto and Sasuke since the only one that knows that is the creator... And seeing as he has free hands in the matter, he doesn't have to take into consideration of who is stronger/weaker, he just need to make the decision and there ya have it.

And trying to make logical standing points in an anime, don't make me laugh, Naruto is fiction based on fantasy and myths... It has nothing to do with logic or facts.

I was talking about facts from the anime, and no, Sasuke doesnt do anything smart.

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I was talking about facts from the anime, and no, Sasuke doesnt do anything smart.

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He doesn't? Well think again buster... He does plenty of good moves in the anime even though the anime isn't even focused on him.

Why do I even bother... The thing about this question is that only about 5% of the people here can remain objective in their thiking whilst the others keep being subjective and can't think straight.

Ok ... I just fixed that signature ... does that make everybody happy, holy shit thats one way to bitch at a guy. Sometimes I think people just like to complain. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Why is there anything to argue about. Naruto has already beaten Sasuke. Don't remember which episode it was, but in one of the really early episodes, Naruto fights Sauske, and Sauske is the one who is tied down on the ground, whiel Naruto does a henge to look like Sauske to go after Sakura

If you are being serious... then that was another Kabuto like situation, where Naruto 'won' because he was underestimated.

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I was talking about facts from the anime, and no, Sasuke doesnt do anything smart.

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I'm not going to go in depth here, but right off the top of my head, I can remember 3 instances where Sasuke used his creativity to outwit his opponent.

1) In ep 30 he tricked Oro after planing his little bomb thingies on Oro's back, and then using the opportunity from the explosion to use his sharingan windmill triple blade in conjunction with dragon fire. Granted, Oro was just playing around with him, but it was a damn nice combo.

2) His use of multiple shuriken hidden inside a fireball. He used this against the sound nin and in the second Naruto special. Both to pretty decent effect and with minimal effort.

3) He completely outsmarted Temari with his fire element jutsus and kawarimi. Heck, he beat her faster than Shikamaru did, and actually conserved most of his chakra. I'm not saying he's smarter than Shika, but you gotta give him props for his trickiness there.

im stronger than both, i can buy a gun and shoot the creator and make them kill eachother then make sakura have sex with sasukes dead body and hantai or what ever that shy thing is have sex with narutos dead body

I would like to put in my two cents here.

Naruto
- Shadow replication can confuse Sasuke
- Great amount of stamina
- Rasengan + Summoning are his trump cards
- Extremely determined and will try anything
- Kyubi's chakra

Sasuke
- Sharingan + Chidori are his trump cards
- Fast speed, due to taijutsu training
- Analyses and plots out tactics
- Wide range of fire elemental techniques
- Tries to be careful and not waste anything

Well, from what I have written and other factors, I'd say that this is a very close match. In time, we will see who is stronger, but for now, this looks like a stalemate.

i can totally see the chidori and rasengan taking about the same amount of time to charge....at least not enough of a difference for it to be a big factor anyway.

for whoever's saying sasuke's target has to be stationary.....no
the whole idea of the chidori is that it is supposed to be coupled with the sharingan, so the user CAN move while charging in order to accurately hit the target while dodging any counters.

and btw, it is true that sasuke DOES need more distance to cover for the chidori than naruto needs for the rasengan. This is why kakashi had sasuke build up his speed.

Let's make this a direct correlation from the fight with Haku, when they were both trapped inside the mirrors. I know they both progressed and all since then, but still, same difference.

Naruto kept wasting his chakra, getting needles stuck in him, and playing stupid. Sasuke was trying his hardest to forming a strategy, conserving, and being smart. In the end, sasuke was better. Until naruto started using kyuubi's chakra, then he overpowered haku.

I think the same thing would happen in a fight, sasuke would win in a normal fight, naruto would win if he used kyuubi.

sasukes chidori also needs to be touching something when he moves. still no one mentions this :/

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sasukes chidori also needs to be touching something when he moves. still no one mentions this :/

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what? what does his chidori need to touch? explain this.

both times he has used it, when he was Vs gaara he draged it down the wall and along the ground then just before he hit gaara he took it up and hit him.

in the build Vs his brother he draged it along the wall. if he isn;t touching something with it he will lose it.

unlike naruto who can run with it in his hand without touching anything when he masters it he will be able to charge it while running, and move his hand around how ever he wants, in theory.

the hell? What was he touching when he ran at gaara? He wasn't touching anything, rewatch it.

The only reason he's dragging it along the wall is because he's trying to keep it as far away from his body as he can. And it looks cool. It's not a requirement. He used it like 3 times against the sand gaara without touching shit.

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both times he has used it, when he was Vs gaara he draged it down the wall and along the ground then just before he hit gaara he took it up and hit him.

in the build Vs his brother he draged it along the wall. if he isn;t touching something with it he will lose it.

unlike naruto who can run with it in his hand without touching anything when he masters it he will be able to charge it while running, and move his hand around how ever he wants, in theory.

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haha, you're on crack and so are the others who believe in that.

Yeah, that makes no sense at all. The only reason why it is shown like that is just to add effect.

kyubi chakra is same as sasuke's sharingan, don't say it's bullshit that naruto can use it. it's bullshit that sasuke has a sharingan, and yet you think that's fine?

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sasukes chidori also needs to be touching something when he moves. still no one mentions this :/

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read the actual thread when you accuse people...

an d for the crackpart, to gain speed, it does need to touch a surface. Without it doesnt make him gain speed.

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an d for the crackpart, to gain speed, it does need to touch a surface. Without it doesnt make him gain speed.

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ok... since you say 'it' i'm guessing you're refering to chidori. how does touching the surface let 'it' gain speed? but then again, when you said 'touching a surface,' you could be refering to sasuke (this time 'it' would be a 'he') and how he needs to be... standing on a surface... therefore touching something...? you're not making any sense because you're either talking about something completely wrong or something completely obvious (which isn't needed).

it = chidori , him = sasuke, and this proves you are dumb.

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it = chidori , him = sasuke, and this proves you are dumb.

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it would prove that i'm dumb if you actually made any sense...

anyway, that doesn't answer the question i asked... how does chidori touching the surface allow it to gain speed?

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read the quote and the reply, I make perfect sense, you're just utterly dumb.

and by using the chidori as a magnetic force (or so it seemed to me, like a highspeed train works) Sasuke can "pull" himself forward faster. As in reality, and I assume it has been used the same here, electrical energies can glide along a surface to make 'it' move faster. As a magnetic force.

Bashing an object into the wall would normally make you go slower, so I figured he used it as such.

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HAHAHA, ok dude. whatever you say. chidori becomes a magnetic force. right. why are you making up stuff that hasn't been said in the anime/manga? when was any of that said or even remotely hinted? what you said is just complete garbage. the best part about what you said is that you 'figured' he used it as such. hahahahaha good one, you're on the verge of making hokage-iv look smart. hahaah nice try.

read the quote and the reply, I make perfect sense, you're just utterly dumb.

and by using the chidori as a magnetic force (or so it seemed to me, like a highspeed train works) Sasuke can "pull" himself forward faster. As in reality, and I assume it has been used the same here, electrical energies can glide along a surface to make 'it' move faster. As a magnetic force.

Bashing an object into the wall would normally make you go slower, so I figured he used it as such.

Stop bashing on each other kids, i feel like a babysitter here. Seriously...

okay okay, but this is too funny... ?igma has obviously no idea what he is talking about cuz you can't just use magnetic force (which wasn't even told that chidori could be turned into that) on any surface to make someone/something move faster... like cmon... am i the only one who's seeing bs in what he is saying?

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Actually, you can see in tha anime, that he actually uses it like that, no question about it.

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hahha, nah, you're looking way too deep into it. just give up.

Actually, you can see in tha anime, that he actually uses it like that, no question about it.

@ the above.

It's intelligent people that look past the obvious. The dumb remain dumb.

haha, ok. since you're just suggesting that i am dumb and you are intelligent, i ask you...

since you're bringing up all this scientific knowledge of magnetic forces and electricity, tell me the physics of how sasuke's chidori, when it is touching a surface made of concrete, can make 'it' move faster. i really want to know how you came up with such genius theory. please, only facts. i'll be waiting for another brilliant response.

hahaah

EDIT: oh yeah, in your response, you should answer:

1. how the matter chidori consists of is converted to a magnetic source (not force)
2. how sasuke is able to convert the chidori into a magnetic force
3. how the so called magnetic force is able to pull something that is not metal

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you didn't answer my questions. since you're so confident about what you say, back them up.

you are saying you have never seen lightning glide along concrete ? because I personally have, and it is creepy as hell, especially when your on only 50 meters of distance..

and it's not the science I am good at, just the actual fact.

oh and I wasn't EXACTLY talking about magnetic force, It's just that I can't find any other way to explain it [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

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oh and I wasn't EXACTLY talking about magnetic force, It's just that I can't find any other way to explain it [img][/img]

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hahaha, wow. what a cheap way to get out of what you were saying cuz you ran into a dead end. just face it, you got nothing even remotely factual to say.

ok i was going to reply, but the bastard quote box gave me some crappy error -_-

wait a second, sasuke uses chidori touching the FLOOR to go faster? even if it was a magnetic force SCINCE WHEN HAS FRICTION LED TO INCREASED SPEED?!!?!

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wait a second, sasuke uses chidori touching the FLOOR to go faster? even if it was a magnetic force SCINCE WHEN HAS FRICTION LED TO INCREASED SPEED?!!?!

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Said it all.

Magnetic trains don't actually touch the rails by the way.

yea hmm,i really dont think that the magnetic field created by the flow of energy from the chidori would affect the speed sasuke would move at, the wall would have to be exerting a magnetic force of the same polarity behind the chidori so as repel it causing it to accelerate or a magnetic force of an opposite polarity in the direction sasuke was running. however if for some reason that actually happened wouldnt only the point where the energy is flowing out of be affected which would drag sasuke as he wouldnt be able to run fast enough( or maybe it would just effect the chakra) however i doubt any of this would work since i am reasonably sure that the chidori has a rather small magnetic field otherwise it would attract their forehead pretectors, and that would be funny.

but im only in year 12 doing physics not uni so dont flame me or anyhting if i got some facts about magnetism wrong


EDIT: physics and electromagnetics and all things in the real world involving science and other normal things play no part in the naruto world, i mean they can jump like 100m into the air or off giant frogs and not be crushed by their weight force when they hit the ground

EDIT 2: hah i just remembered the magnetic field would only effect the energy, which sasuke is producing, the magnetic field produced by the flux of energy from the chidori is far too small, also if the chidori was used inside a magnetic field the energy would be effected by it much the same way that gravity effects us. i think [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

actually, should someone produce a maganetic field like sasuke produces chidori (say neji for instance and ease) they would be able to move at incredible speeds, as they could use the chakra in there body to create a reverse polarity field and move at incredible speed................the only downside to it is that they would lose an arm in the proces.

haha i got denied in 2 lines, this dude knows what hes tlaking about

He's a cat, thats why.

I've got to agree with Mut@t@ here.

There has been no indication that chidori is anything other than pure chakra. Nobody in the anime has said anything about magnetism or pulling of any kind.

Also, if the chidori was dragging Sasuke behind it, why is Sasuke always holding his arm behind him or to the side when he runs? Wouldn't that drag him backwards?

Another thing, why would Chidori dig holes in the walls and floor when it's supposed to be pulling him? Wouldn't it pull pieces out instead of pushing things in?

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The fuck? It has nothing to do with touching the ground.

How bout when Kakashi used it to kill Haku? Was he touching anything then? No.

maybe creating big holes is to emphasize how powerful it is.

Exactly. The touching of the ground/wall is only to make it cool-looking and powerful. Magnetism? You can't possibly be serious.

well Mutata, looks like you found some good quotes for the next GW survivor series [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

sorry but i found the posts amusing. but with all the talk about magnetism, has anyone has actually taken a course in college physics? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

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sorry but i found the posts amusing. but with all the talk about magnetism, has anyone has actually taken a course in college physics?

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Yes, and it wasn't fun. Let's leave it in the past (**remembers the horror**).

As far as electromagnetics creating a boost of speed for Sasuke, I guess it might be possible. If Sasuke creates enough of a negative field by exciting and amassing the electrons of Chidori, he could theoretically create a negative force around Chidori and push that force against the ground to propel himself. However, let's not get too scientific into this.

I think the best solution is, if someone has it right now, go to the episode where Sasuke is about to use Chidori during the chuunin exam, and Gai or someone was explaining it.

Both Sasuke and Naruto are tactical in combat, so the battle will be close. I still believe Rasengan will be more effective than Chidori since I think Rasengan is more versatile and uses less chakra. If it was just Rasengan vs. Chidori and not involve any other techniques (also assume both Naruto and Sasuke mastered their technique), Rasengan would win. It would be especially true if Naruto can create multiple Rasengans in both hands. That way he could use one to block Chidori and the other to attack.

i still believe i win - ... Kyubi > sasuke = Naruto winner.

i think sasuke can beat naruto skill wise and probably has better battle tactics. hard to say if they fight 1v1 since naruto has a greater amount of chakra than sasuke. but then again, if you use the right tactics, the amount of stamina wouldn't matter too much.

sasuke can "beat" naruto, yes but naruto has almost infinite stamina, so he can just take a beating untill sasuke is all out of chakra and basically collapses (like when he was fighintg gaara). it'll be just like teh naruto/kiba fight, except without the soldier pill

Will this topic die already... Ii'm giving up even posting my opinions cos we are all jsut oign around in circles...

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i think sasuke can beat naruto skill wise and probably has better battle tactics. hard to say if they fight 1v1 since naruto has a greater amount of chakra than sasuke. but then again, if you use the right tactics, the amount of stamina wouldn't matter too much.

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i think the problem here is tat Naruto has LOTS of stamina... hmmm LOTS n LOTS n LOTS of them.. remember the 2nd round of the exam? AFter using up so much chakura.. he still can run around.. still can jump on sensei so happily etc... i dun think anyone can shag naruto up.. unless he was busy training

Yes, Naruto does have a lot of stamina, and yes he does have the Kyuubi chakra to fall back on. However, anybody who says:

Kyuubi>Sasuke so Naruto > Sasuke doesn't seem to get that Naruto is not the Kyuubi.


He only seems to be able to borrow the chakra when he's hard pressed, and in only one instance, it came out right at the beginning of the fight (Kisame).



A real fight between Sasuke and Naruto would end too quickly for any Kyubi chakra to come out.




Remember when he tried to fight Rock Lee? That fight ended in less than a second. And Lee was still wearing his weights. Sasuke moves as fast as Lee without his weights. The fight would end too quickly for the use of any of the Kyuubi's chakra.