"THEY SET ME UP THE BOMB"
- Itachi
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"THEY SET ME UP THE BOMB"
- Itachi
It seems like People only believe what they want to believe. You know tunnel vision. First people don't want to believe that Itachi is probably weaker than Jiraiya despite numerous translation agreeing with this. Hell people rather believe the mistranslation. Now Itachi is innocent and that he is not evil. I thought that it was clear in the flashback that Itachi killed everyone. Even in the dialogue between Sasuke and Itachi suggest this. Do people even read subtitles anymore? This is getting rediculous.
I dont dubt Itachi is weaker then Jira and i dont dubt that he is evil and killed his clan. But I could probably make a decent fanfic that would make him not evil. but then agane i dont want to.
I dont dubt Itachi is weaker then Jira and i dont dubt that he is evil and killed his clan. But I could probably make a decent fanfic that would make him not evil. but then agane i dont want to.
But you fail to realize is that Itachi used his little technique to show what happened to the clan, he control's everything in that world so if he wanted to he could show himself killing all the Hokage's at once. The reason why I think he innocent is that it just doesn't add up the genious of the clan picking on the weaklings. Even Lee knew if he wanted to test his strength he had to fight Sauske and not Naruto.Quote:
Originally posted by: codeRed
Now Itachi is innocent and that he is not evil. I thought that it was clear in the flashback that Itachi killed everyone. Even in the dialogue between Sasuke and Itachi suggest this. Do people even read subtitles anymore? This is getting rediculous.
hmm.. i was wondering.. if itachi shows sasuke the images of clearing the entire clan was fake.. coz he's already on a one way road.. and there's no way he could help sasuke to improve.. so he's trying to motivate sasuke ? and by then he'll show the truth that it wasn't him that did it..
i believe that sasuke wasnt the only uchiha kid at that pt of time.. maybe he is.. but if there where.. that means they're killed too.. like that two old couples.. i don't think they can do much too.. but they're killed by itachi too.. so why doesn't itachi kill sasuke ? i believe sasuke can do better than those two..
Just to throw my 2 cents in, I can think of a couple reasons Itachi may have killed his clan.
1. Maybe it was a requirement to get into the organization he is currently in, or at least, a way to show them he was worthy.
2. Its possible that he jealously guards the power of the Sharingan. By wiping out his clan he insures that nobody else is running around with it, and no new Uchihas are being born with it. Granted, he lets Sasuke live, but he's just one person and he can keep track of him or not as he chooses, not like he can't just go deal with him later if he chooses.
But thats not to say I'm not willing to accept the idea of "testing himself". Nevertheless I also believe, like some others here, that he is not referring to his power, he's referring to his ability to do anything to achieve a goal. Someone else said something to the effect of "I think a ninja would know what he would and would not do" but I disagree. It's like the saying goes, "you never really know what your capable of..." until you have to do it of course. Itachi knows that if he is capable of killing everyone in his family and his entire clan without remorse, then there is truly nothing he won't do to accomplish his goals, whatever they may be.
i think that all of akatsuki members are s-rank criminals and i don't think there is a requirement for it. i think it's just a coincidence. i mean, look at it this way... how are they going to conspire against bunch of villages/countries if you're part of a village?
Secretely?
i think sasuke is itachi's experiment and toy, he's itachi's experiment to show how far hate can motivate someone to become stronger and stronger.
I don't know if what Itachi did to Sasuke was an experiment or what, but at least it looks pretty deliberate. He kills everyone while Sasuke is gone. He waits for Sasuke to come back (we see him sitting on that telephone poll when Sasuke gets back to his neighborhood). After he sees Sasuke he doesn't just take off or attack him, but instead goes back to their parent's home to wait for him and then use his special technique while standing over their parents' bodies.
If he went through all of that trouble it seems like he wanted to accomplish something specific and not that he spared Sasuke because he was weak.
I think Itachi was in trouble with most of the adult Uchihas and since Sasuke was
A. Maybe the youngest Uchiha,
B. Probably the only one that begged for his life
C. His good little brother
might all be factors why Itachi sparred Sasuke's life. But anyway, whatever his reasons were, Itachi has to live up with the consequences! mouahhahaha!
That sounds about right. Of course Itachi never really said that he was capable of killing without remorse - maybe he regrets it - but he acts so much like a cold bastard that I doubt there really is any good in him.Quote:
Originally posted by: DarthEnder
Just to throw my 2 cents in, I can think of a couple reasons Itachi may have killed his clan.
...But thats not to say I'm not willing to accept the idea of "testing himself". Nevertheless I also believe, like some others here, that he is not referring to his power, he's referring to his ability to do anything to achieve a goal. Someone else said something to the effect of "I think a ninja would know what he would and would not do" but I disagree. It's like the saying goes, "you never really know what your capable of..." until you have to do it of course. Itachi knows that if he is capable of killing everyone in his family and his entire clan without remorse, then there is truly nothing he won't do to accomplish his goals, whatever they may be.
It's not beyond the realm of comprehension for Itachi to turn to be not as evil as he seems. After all, Orochimaru is pretty much the only "evil" villain we've encountered so far.
Zabuza is just ruthless, but he turns out to have a soft side, as we see in the end.
Haku, well, you know.
Gaara's just a psycho.
Neji's just a jerk, and possibly not even a villain.
In the end, the plot for one of the main villains of the series so far is not going to be "dur, I killed people so kill me."
IMO Itachi is guilty of killing his clan, but i dont know why he kept Sasuke alive. Pretty good ep tho.
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DIDN'T WE SEE ITACHI KILLING THEIR PARENTS RIGHT INFRONT OF SASUKE? CAN SOMEONE POST UP A SCREEN SHOT, AND END THIS POINTLESS ARGUMENT. OF COURSE HE KILLED THE CLAN. OF COURSE HE KILLED SASUKE'S PARENTS, AND THAT WAS NO ILLUSION BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY DIED INFRONT OF HIM.
Caps lock, learn it, hate it, don't use it.Quote:
Originally posted by: jing
UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
DIDN'T WE SEE ITACHI KILLING THEIR PARENTS RIGHT INFRONT OF SASUKE? CAN SOMEONE POST UP A SCREEN SHOT, AND END THIS POINTLESS ARGUMENT. OF COURSE HE KILLED THE CLAN. OF COURSE HE KILLED SASUKE'S PARENTS, AND THAT WAS NO ILLUSION BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY DIED INFRONT OF HIM.
The scene with Itachi killing the parents is part of the mangekyou sharingan so it was an illusion. This is shown when sasuke enters the room the parents are slumped over on the floor already dead then during the mangekyou sharingan it shows them on their knees getting cut down by Itachi.
now the question is.....if itachi DIDNT kill the clan, then why did he go out of his way to make it aware to sasuke and the rest of konoha that he did?
i have no idea why the FUCK people think itachi didn't kill his clan and family. someone post right now and tell me what other possibilities there are. i would like to hear your theories.
Hey im not saying that he 100% didn't kill his clan, but their is reasonable doubt. You shouldn't be so stubborn and look at only one opinion. First, the way Kishimoto made Itachi's parent's death. He made it so that Itachi showed only a genjitsu to show that he killed the clan. And we all know taht genjutsu is an ILLUSIONARY technique, so we do not KNOW that he killed his clan. Yeah, he probably killed his clan. Okay. That would make Itachi such more of a badass. But there is still doubt, and we will never know until they show exactly what happened that night.
Because if someone else killed his clan for the sharingan and Itachi was only trying to protect them, Sasuke will go after that someone else and that somone else will most likely kill him. This will allow Itachi to have some sort of protection over Sasuke because if Sasuke seeks Itachi, he will either:1. Be stronger than Itachi and Itachi won't have to worry about the someone else killing Sasuke for the sharingan or 2. Be weaker than Itachi - and Itachi will not kill him, but instead motivate Sasuke to become stronger. And if Itachi didn't tell the entire town that he killed the clan, then Sasuke will obviously find out and go after the "real killer".Quote:
Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
now the question is.....if itachi DIDNT kill the clan, then why did he go out of his way to make it aware to sasuke and the rest of konoha that he did?
it's a strong possibility that he actually did do it, but i wouldn't rule it out that he didn't. after all, what he showed sasuke was simply an illusion so there is no definitive answer. plus, you know how the creator likes his twists in the plotlines.
i would agree that not directly showing itachi kill anyone could lead to possibilities that he didnt actually do it......and its always good to analyze minor details like that, because they can be taken advantage of in the future.....but the way i see it, those details were probably omitted because the mangekyou sharingan in itself unfolds that part of the story. It would be redundant for the animators to show itachi kill his parents and then show him kill his parents AGAIN to sasuke in the mangekyou
I think you guys are just thinking too fucking much.
He killed them to test his strength, that's all you can believe for now.
Well when i FIRST read the manga, i thought Sasuke came in right when Itachi slashed his parents and Itachi just used the mange to have Sasuke relive that time again for 3 days. Kishimoto could have just done that. Or he could have Itachi killed his parents right when Sasuke walked in and then have itachi use mange to show sasuke the massacre of his clan...
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Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
i would agree that not directly showing itachi kill anyone could lead to possibilities that he didnt actually do it......and its always good to analyze minor details like that, because they can be taken advantage of in the future.....but the way i see it, those details were probably omitted because the mangekyou sharingan in itself unfolds that part of the story. It would be redundant for the animators to show itachi kill his parents and then show him kill his parents AGAIN to sasuke in the mangekyou
The animators have a thing for redunancy, flashbacks, that sort of thing.
Recalls the several-episode-long flashback trend in the 70's.
well, THOSE flashbacks are of stuff we havent seen before......
as for the stuff we have, they usually dont show it in the same episode that it first appears in, unless its to indicate that a person is thinking about it
i'm really sorry to say this but... that's sooo stupid. protection? what protection? itachi leaves the village for 5 years only to return and kick people's asses... where does his 'protection' come in? and the thing with sasuke seeking itachi... my response to #1 and 2: WHY DON'T SASUKE AND ITACHI TRAIN TOGETHER SO THEY CAN GO AFTER THE REAL KILLER?Quote:
Originally posted by: originalkrn
Because if someone else killed his clan for the sharingan and Itachi was only trying to protect them, Sasuke will go after that someone else and that somone else will most likely kill him. This will allow Itachi to have some sort of protection over Sasuke because if Sasuke seeks Itachi, he will either:1. Be stronger than Itachi and Itachi won't have to worry about the someone else killing Sasuke for the sharingan or 2. Be weaker than Itachi - and Itachi will not kill him, but instead motivate Sasuke to become stronger. And if Itachi didn't tell the entire town that he killed the clan, then Sasuke will obviously find out and go after the "real killer".
omg, i can't believe you guys are thinking so deeply into this. unbelievable.
Without reading too much into it, I think you have to admit that there is definitely some motivation that Itachi wants to give Sasuke in order for him to become strong, or else he would of just killed him
Basically, there is a reason he kept Sasuke alive, and its an important one
Can Jiraya be any cooler? I don't think that is possible, he has it the highest summit of coolness, cause hes the king.
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Originally posted by: Mut@t@
Some people are just beyond help when it comes to these things.Quote:
Originally posted by: originalkrn
omg, i can't believe you guys are thinking so deeply into this. unbelievable.
It's better to give up and let them realize how wrong they are once that's revealed. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Pay attention to the dialogue between Sasuke and Itachi. That is enough to hit you in the head that Itachi did in fact kill everyone. Very likely Itachi used the Mangekyou Sharington to put fear into Sasuke and have him watch the slaying of everyone by the hands of Itachi which Sasuke missed because he came home late. With this Itachi is able to generate more hate from Sasuke. It is not some stupid diversion to lead people into thinking that Itachi is innocent or some other twist.
Yeah, Itachi should go after the real killer, just like OJ is doing.Quote:
my response to #1 and 2: WHY DON'T SASUKE AND ITACHI TRAIN TOGETHER SO THEY CAN GO AFTER THE REAL KILLER?
I guess i'm late.. Hahaha.. anyways,pretty nice episode. For some reason i thought the part where sasuke attacks Itachi was pretty cool.. Though i have a question. Was their some reason why Sasuke pulled the neck of his shirt down while he charged his Chidori? Also,is it my imagination or was sasuke's skin peeling off his hand while he did it? Maybe he used too much chakra and his hand got burnt O_o
i think he was pulling his collar because he thinks hes cool, nah i dont know why. to your second question i think it does the every time, the chakra has to be really strong to be visible so im sure the chidori might burn a little bit, thats probably why sasuke had it wrapped up before.
is his seal gone? i thought it was gone now, but maybe its more permanent than we are lead to believe?
And the shuriken that Itachi threw, I guess he just accidently dropped it.
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huh?
yeah...huh?Quote:
And the shuriken that Itachi threw, I guess he just accidently dropped it
i dont remember itachi taking any shurikens out during this ep, i might of missed it then.
when sasuke did the chidori, i think his veins were popping out not skin peeling, later when itachi grabbed his hands, nothing looked wrong.
ROFL... am i the ONLY one who gets what terracosmo said? wow...
itachi threw a shuriken at sasuke in sasuke's flashback
i just thought of something that would be really badass.....
if sasuke reaches itachis level at some point and develops the mangekyou sharingan as well, then that would be cool if he uses it to counter itachi's and then both end up in that dimension where both of them can manipulate time, space, and matter....and then a whole elaborate battle could take place in that dimension, while in real life it only lasted for a fraction of a second
you never know maybe we will see that someday, itd be awesome because theyd both probably use some outrageous moves. thatd probably be one of the best action scenes in an anime if it happened.
Honestly, i think Itachi did kill his clan, however just how the way kishimoto does it all makes it a little mysterious.Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
i'm really sorry to say this but... that's sooo stupid. protection? what protection? itachi leaves the village for 5 years only to return and kick people's asses... where does his 'protection' come in? and the thing with sasuke seeking itachi... my response to #1 and 2: WHY DON'T SASUKE AND ITACHI TRAIN TOGETHER SO THEY CAN GO AFTER THE REAL KILLER?Quote:
Originally posted by: originalkrn
Because if someone else killed his clan for the sharingan and Itachi was only trying to protect them, Sasuke will go after that someone else and that somone else will most likely kill him. This will allow Itachi to have some sort of protection over Sasuke because if Sasuke seeks Itachi, he will either:1. Be stronger than Itachi and Itachi won't have to worry about the someone else killing Sasuke for the sharingan or 2. Be weaker than Itachi - and Itachi will not kill him, but instead motivate Sasuke to become stronger. And if Itachi didn't tell the entire town that he killed the clan, then Sasuke will obviously find out and go after the "real killer".
omg, i can't believe you guys are thinking so deeply into this. unbelievable.
That shiruken that itachi threw was obviously not meant to kill Sasuke. Itachi would not miss a Shiruken at Sasuke.
i still stand by this...Quote:
Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
i would agree that not directly showing itachi kill anyone could lead to possibilities that he didnt actually do it......and its always good to analyze minor details like that, because they can be taken advantage of in the future.....but the way i see it, those details were probably omitted because the mangekyou sharingan in itself unfolds that part of the story. It would be redundant for the animators to show itachi kill his parents and then show him kill his parents AGAIN to sasuke in the mangekyou
if they showed itachi killing everyone, then how annoying would it be to see it all again when he used the mangekyou on sasuke?
the reason itachi didnt kill sasuke with the shuriken was the same reason he let sasuke live
but the point that itachi would even wound sasuke if he didnt kill the other clan members i think is what terracosmo tried to point out
Hmm, I can't seem to remember if I have posted in this thread or not. Probably not because I don't remember doing so.
Anyway, I got Naruto 84 as recently as 2 days ago and finally was able to have the time to watch it. I thought that this episode explained a lot about Sasuke's hatred for, and his determination to kill, his brother Itachi. Even though the flashback was pretty long, I'm just glad that it finally took place because for some time, until like 40 eps ago or so, I wasn't sure as to why Sasuke was determined to kill his own brother. Then you learn that his brother killed off the Uchiha clan of course, but then this flashback in 84 shows you what Sasuke saw and then what Itachi forced him to see.
How friggin horrible is that for a little kid to go through, especially when he held his brother in such high regards only to have it come crashing down in a single moment. And I personally thought that Itachi's reason for killing those people was plain bull crap myself. I mean, come on, if you wanted to test yourself, you don't slaughter innocents and those you know who are not as strong as you are.
Don't even get me started on that Chakra eating, shaving sword that the fish faced partner (I sorta forgot his name...I don't know how, but I did) has. That is pure bull crap there. I mean, come on, the thing was friggin huge and it had scales to boot!! Did the writers have to make it eat up Chakra as well??
The whole Jiraiya thing, though, was pretty funny at the end when he saved Naruto and Sasuke's bum's just in the nick of time. How he explains that he is the best at peeping on women and then trying, himself, to seduce the women and so on. That was hilarious because I thought that he was thinking way too highly of his own interpersonal skills with women.
Okay, enough with what I thought though. In short this ep gets a great 2 thumbs up from me and then some. I do have one question though, if anyone is willing to answer it. I know that Jiraiya and Naruto are looking for some woman, but I forgot her name. If anyone can help me out with the name that would be fine. Thanks!!
the name's Tsunade, of the 3 legendary sannin
Ah yes, thank you very much for the answer to that question....Sometimes I just can't keep them all straight in my head.
Sorry if this has been said I don't feel like scouring this thread. Maybe Itachi didn't mean testing his abilities as a ninja, maybe he ment seeing if he was capable of slautering his own village, seeing how much of a monster he could be. Capable of being a fucking psycho.
no, it was a test of his strength.
i think itachi killed his clan without a doubt..although i could be wrong..but the reason i think was to test his strength..not on the clan members he killed .. but on the future sasuke..i think he thought..to test his true strength..the only ones valid enough would have to be from his clan..and who better then his own blood...he killed them all and showed sasuke that to, as they said. hate him.detest him.ect ect..so in time he would grow stronger and then can test itachis true strength..
could you say your thought was without a doubt if you follow it with "although i could be wrong"?
What if Itachi is just trying to save the village. Maybe the clan is planning some kind of rebellion or take over. Being the anbu leader he killed all the clan to protect the village. Their father said Itachi is different from us or think different