Why not compare both separately, then together?
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Why not compare both separately, then together?
I haven't got the ep on me to check bust size, but I'd say Chiquita beats Valmet. Overall she seems to have more experience and fights a bit more tactically. Assuming she uses her sidearm without losing proficiency with her knife means she's got an advantage over Valmet.
I'd say what Valmet is to Chiquita is like what Lutz is to Lehm, but with a much closer gap. I'd prbably say Valmet is the faster if you're talking about raw speed.
Lehm is a precision sniper, Valmet is a CQC specialist, while Chiquita is a blitzkrieger. Chiquita is more well rounded in terms of combat ability than anyone on Koko's squad, which is largely the difference in their two bodyguard squads.
Kasper's is a much smaller, focused group of extremely skilled operatives, while Koko's is built up of specialists and redundancies. Her group is obviously up to no good when seen by the authorities especially with Valmet's build and Jonah (and Wilee when they are in Asia, but that's Kasper's territory), while Kasper's generates a lot less attention. On the other hand, Koko's force is a lot more capable at larger actions or wiping out the opposition, while Kasper's can only make assassination strikes or leave the area.
Each has their benefits, but the interesting thing is what it says about the two siblings. Kasper exudes confidence, casualness, a slight air of untouchability, but aloofness and even a little overconfidence. Koko ends up giving off her insecurity (big group and many backups), her hidden loneliness (big surrogate family), but a good eye for talent.
If you want to talk Chiquita versus Valmet, Valmet is slightly larger in the chest, but she's larger overall, so it makes them look smaller. In terms of combat ability, I would say that Valmet could kill Chiquita if she got in close, but Chiquita would never let her get there. That's because Valmet really is that good with her specialty. Chiquita used similar tactics here that Valmet used against Karen, but it wasn't as fluid (at least what they have shown us of her attacks). Chiquita doesn't seem the type to ever take risks and assesses her foes quickly. She wouldn't let Valmet get there, nor would she be shaken by Valmet's closing dashes, the kind that Valmet destroys people with, and even led to the moderately-experienced CQC Karen's undoing.
edit: I should have been clearer in stating that Koko's insecurities are about losing anyone. She values the lives of her big squad family more than her own, though she is afraid about losing her own life, as we saw in the recent episodes and Hex's attack. The backups are less for her safety, and more for the safety of the other squad members.
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Well that was ... pointless?
You expect a new villain - you get backstorry for a support character.
Nevertheless it was good enough.
I wouldn't say it was pointless. Hino had them playing to his tune the entire time. Even when they thought they could finish them off, he sneaks in his daughter right in front of them. No matter if Koko wanted to kill him or not, she couldn't. Not murder a girl's father in front of Jonah. She'd lose him, her safety net, and go berserk. They can't finish him off, and they didn't lose anyone, so there's no reason to fight. His organization got destroyed as part of their own wish, so Kasper is happy that he's got his business back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
This is the first time we've seen Koko and Kasper get strategically outmatched so severely. He took away their will to fight.
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Originally Posted by Inazuma
I meant the SR squad's fight, not the arc.
I get that Hino let his squad do it because they wanted to, I just don't see why they wanted to. Did they hate Tojo that much that they purposefully picked a fight with HCLI in order to have a chance to take him out? I would have thought that for someone to be part of the SR squad for years doing all the dirty work, they'd have to be patriots like Hex.
I took the reasoning to be that they were a covert assassination squad...who had spent the last several years just selling guns and pretending to be business people, not fighting at all. From the flashbacks, most of them were monsters, particularly that woman.
Tojo and Hino were probably the only two who didn't prefer fighting.
That was a really enjoyable episode. Especially the punchline before the credits/OP. The non-flashback parts of the episode were a nice jab at the bored asshole PMCs in Iraq.
Not that animation is always consistent, but this episode made it clear that Chiquita is bigger than Valmet (that hoodie at 14:07 :3). What I really want to know now though, is why Chiquita used to work for Koko, and switched to Kasper.
Yep, brilliant Wiley episode. The entire flashback just made the entire thing all the crazier. (Hai! Mushimushi? xD)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
As for Chiquita, I think we all assumed that Koko debutted after Kasper. Was it ever expressly stated that he was trading first? It's unlikely, but possible.
Otherwise, a possible explanation would be that Koko debuted when her dad retired from the scene, so he gave her his bodyguards (Kasper debutted before and has his own already). Chiquita and Lehm divorced (again) and she requested a transfer.
Magnifique ! Bravo !
I tend to just hate flashbacks because they are just an easy way to get a character some depth without the trouble of weaving his story in the main plot but Jormungand got it right.
I really hope for a second season now.
You mean third.
I like how they're exploring the crew's past, i just hope this isn't all one huge death flag. The action was much less painful than last episode as well.
GG Jormungand Episode 20
The superweapon's true specifications are released.
Do not miss this Cia, boobs, brawling and intrigue guaranteed.
I love how Mrs. Trohovski can read Koko better than anyone else. She hasn't shown up or interacted with Koko since their last dispute (where Koko had to work double-overtime to beat her), but the moment they meet up, Trohovski presses Koko about her bigger, secret plans for the satellite network...and wants in at any cost.
The only other people who even realize that she and the doctor are up to something big is Jonah and Bookman (and him only because Koko used it to overkill Hex). The rest of Koko's detail might suspect, but they don't seem to care.
She should not be underestimated. I'd like to think that Trohovski is Koko's true rival (or would be if she merges with HCLI). Her ability to read other people is unparalleled, and it's natural to her.
Jormungand 22
Brace yourselves - Ninjas everywhere !
Edit : Oh my ...
I really cannot blame Jonah for pointing his thing at Koko in those two instances this episode.
When I've heard the number of people who would die due to activation of Jormungand the first thing that I've thought was "only this much?"...
Go watch the last episode.
You can find the second OST here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPxbU...Yqj7jj&index=1
Asenshi - Episode 24
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That was alright. It was by no means an "Everything-I-liked-about-Jormungand" summary, but it did well enough to conclude the ride.
Waiting on gg, no spoilers please.
Not technically a "spoiler" since a sub's come out (subs are decent, audio is more bass-boomy than usual), but I'm in no hurry to discuss it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
I know, that's why i said please.
If there were no subs out i'd just report y'all motherfuckers and be done with it :/
I like the ost more than the last episode.
Closure yes, but It lacked that Jormungandish feel as Buff may have implied.
What a bland as fuck ending.
Happy we didn't spoil ?
There was nothing to spoil really but this series really lacked a climatic event. R's death was more poignant than this.
I thought it was kind of weird that the whole world (those that figured out Koko's plan to varying degrees, which is to say - those who mattered) simply waited for Koko to press the button for 2 years. Certainly there'd be someone who didn't want this new world and tried to stop her.
Am I to suppose that the Jorrmungand-backup was an unnecessary of the plan?
I thought it was a rather unimpactful ending as well, but I did appreciate that wrapped it up with both a sense of closure and a sense of an unpredictable future. Something like a final climactic gun battle with Hex or the CIA or some other group trying to kill Koko probably wouldn't have provided any sense closure since once it was over they'd just go back to doing the same old thing in the same old world they were in at the beginning. At least with the ending we got we can take away that the world Koko and Co had their adventures in ended once she pushed the button and we're left to speculate on what will become of the world and characters we got to know in the post Jormungand world.
@Buff: I don't think they hinted at this enough but the impression I got/choose to buy into was that barely anyone on earth besides the few people we know about had any idea what Koko was up to. It did strain credulity a bit that no one put together what the disappearance/abduction of Dr. Baburin and Rabbitfoot might mean but very few people knew that Rabbitfoot was at GitMo, and then broken out, maybe the same holds true for Baburin. Bookman knew and admitted he wanted to see that other world, as for the other CIA guy Koko probably scared him silent with her demonstration of how easily she could have taken him away from his family.
Finally got around to watching this.
Really liked it up until they got to the point where they explained what "the plan" was, which was incredibly stupid for all the reasons that Caspar straight up states in the final episode.
It didn't help matters much that, as was mentioned, there was pretty much no action beyond that point either.
But yeah, up until that point, it was like a great 22 episode series.
Remind me, what were those reasons again?Quote:
Originally Posted by DE
Well, her plan basically boils down to "I'm going to end all war by getting rid of flight."Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Which A. Completely ignores the fact that war has existed since long before people could fly. As Caspar said, if they can't fight with planes, they'll fight with ships, if they can't fight with ships, they'll use tanks, no tanks, then swords, etc.
And B. Her plan really only prevents computer aided flight. Jormungand is a supercomputer that hacks other computers. So you can still fly as long as you don't use a computer to do it. Last time I checked, we managed to nuke two of Japan's cities during WW2 without a plane with a computer on it.
Her plan also seems to be based around this philosophy that people will look up at birds in the sky, realize they can't fly anymore and somehow feel shamed into not having war with each other anymore. Which is a gross misunderstanding of how people work. People didn't look at birds and feel shame, they looked at birds and felt envy, that's how we GOT flying in the first place. Unless Jormungand takes place on some kind of bizzarro earth where people are completely different.
Not as cut and dry as you make it seem Darth, it's not just how modern technology isn't available to them, it's how it's STILL available for Koko. Guided missiles alone would make her invincible with no suitable counter anymore.
She didn't just start Jormungand and then stood still, her plan was having her own squad be the deterrent against the rest of the world.
Your point A is still valid though, but you're clearly underestimating the power of an all knowing artificial brain.
Well, okay. At that point she's basically Light from Death Note then, and I no longer have any affection for the character.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
God complex. Deus Ex Machina(only, supercomputer instead of magic notepad). Going to try and force the world to be better by just killing anyone that resists.
What's super hypocritical about her though is how she says that the people she hates most are soldiers that just blindly obey without questioning their order or thinking for themselves, and that's basically what her entire squad is made up of. You have a couple characters who seem like the MIGHT actually think for themselves, but eventually even they just suddenly go "eh, whatever! I'll just follow Koko!"
Well that's just silly. No amount of informational advantage is going to allow one squad to overcome the entire world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
I did really like the portrayal of the Seal Team in the series. They spend the whole series building Koko's team up as these unrealistic badasses, and then the Seal Team comes along and they're basically these spectral demons that they can't do anything against. And even with Koko cheating the system the best they could do is get away.