Too bad...wish they followed the manga on this episode. But since it's only 12 to 13 episodes long that would take too long I guess.
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Too bad...wish they followed the manga on this episode. But since it's only 12 to 13 episodes long that would take too long I guess.
I'm not a manga reader and thus this was a decent enough ep for me. Not that my expectations would ever be too high with a boobs anime like this...
Since I am not sure what will happen in ep 12 or 13 it might still happen. If not you should read manga about this. Although the part about Maria Lancelot has not been covered by the manga yet but they did display a partial image of her. So on that part it has gone further than the manga but only at that point.
I'm only annoyed that Kazuya STILL hasn't managed to tell Satella what he wants to say yet. And of course she was listening, nobody else drops a dozen burgers on the ground like Satella does. I bet you they were still warm.
The positive thing is that Satella got what Kazuya still couldn't really say, the negative thing is that the fight sucked noodles longer than Bill ever found in his cans. I'm sure this fight should have been better and more meaningful, whether it was from the manga or not, but the execution was miserable. Like how Kazuya waited until Satella was beaten half-way to death before helping her and how they didn't attack the single enemy all at once but one at a time. All in all it was hard to believe these were the people who had so succesfully fought against upperclassmen just a couple of eps ago.
What caught my attention was the use of blood. Blood from Kazuya's scalp? Blood from Cathy's eyes? It just doesn't make sense.
I could even settle with Kazuya coughing up blood from freezing-overdrive - at least that shit's coming from somewhere appropriate, you know.
The other thing I noted was that all the 3rd year's shots were one-hit kills on the corrupted stigmas other than Cleo's. Sure she's using fists, but I always assumed she more than made up for that fact with her power.
1 more ep left and I still don't even understand what is really going on in this anime.
Professor Aoi?!?? What?!?
Anyways, if only the show was like this from the start. The season ends and it really just started.
It really was like that from the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Idealistic
Don't you remember that there was some blood from very early in the show?
After that, they had to build some kind of story and give material so that it doesn't seem too empty, so yes some eps were a little less entertaining.
But I think they manage well in applying all shonen codes and rythm, much like in Initial D battle eps.
Thing is we already had many power ups, and now we have a double level in Power.
And yes, this is only a begining.
After all, it's also almost certain the lady controlling the power levels when Satela did her double surge, was Kazuya's sister.
Edit:
Also, I find great similarities with Claymore in how the power is implanted and how past a certain level Pandoras can become enemies... and how playing with that limit can result in great power boosts and even new (at least for some seconds) stable states.
Damn Rana. I really wanted to see the baptism between Satella and Kazuya. Now the show ended and we never saw the bloody thing.
[Hatsuyuki] Freezing Special 02 BD 1080p
Let's see what kind of shameless fan service we get this time.
EDIT: Of course! Girls bathing while molesting Satella. Why didn't I think of that?
I haven't yet seen this show because i'm waiting for all the eps to come out in 1080p bluray, which might take a while :/
I must have been spoiled by the recent HOTD ova or something, but this was too mild. :/
Or maybe just too short.
That one's the best special so far.
Yeah, this was actually pretty funny, the ending included.
Nova in a bikini...never thought I'd see the day...
It was only a bikini top. It didn't seem to need a bottom.
Small-breasted crossfire FTW.
Not the most revealing special episode, but I liked this a lot. It's not very often that you see Satelizer smile so much (particularly with her glasses off).
Other than that, I was expecting some more.. umm.. fluids... from the Niagara Falls demonstration lol.
I thought for a second that it was Kazuya controlling the other girls using his Freezing ability to take advantage of this "anything goes" training scenario. Guess he's still as soft as ever.
At least he is not denying that he does like it. Eh..why the hell are we talking about one of the few guys in a pure fan service episode? Yay for moaning.
I wonder if anyone cares...
Freezing Sci-Fi Action Anime Gets 2nd Season
And yes, I know it's almost 3 days old news.
Cool. Let's just hope it's as good as the first 3 episodes of the first series.. as unlikely as that would be.
Today is a good day.
Now I hope it's not about the resort arc but the Alaska arc instead.
What I said when I found out:
<%Ryllharu> wtf
<%Ryllharu> Freezing got a second season
<%Ryllharu> There is no god.
I hear the god of boobs is a major deity in Japan (and Korea).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
The second season is being called, Vibration. Satellizer seems to have a new uniform.
http://freezing.tv/
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Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin
There's a trailer up on the Freezing site showing the Alaska arc.
Great news! Been looking forward to seeing that arc animated.
Bloody Rana is still standing between Satella and Kazuya. Oh, well, I guess at this point it's a solid plot element that the baptism will never happen. Or it will happen in the very last chapter of the manga.
This Alaska trip is looking quite promising, nevertheless.
I knew before watching this again that any plot/scenario would be even more fragile/thin than their Volt/texture.
Still I was amazed at how they made it all pointless right from ep1 of that second season.
And fanservice/ecchi wasn't even that good.
I hope it'll get better starting ep2
Oh good, I'm not the only one who thought that. During the episode I thought it needed to be more hardcore, but by the end I decided that it wasn't because it was soft, but that it wasn't all that good. There really needs to be more sexual tension/advance between the male/females or else it's just nudity without the tease.Quote:
Originally Posted by David75
Since that show isn't about anything but fanservice/ecchi, it's a shame they can't even do that well.
That ep wasn't even on par with average comedy shows ecchi/fanservice.
We've had crude breast shots, fast panty shots, the usual Volt texture selfdestruct mode and that's about it.
Yes that's it, no teasing or tension.
I did get my dose of Elizabeth though. That was good.
Svelte, long blond hair always bare breasted in her private pool?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Right on. She's classy.Quote:
Originally Posted by David75
Hiryuu - S2 Episode 02
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As it turns out, in any pool!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by David
Best. Episode. Ever. ~~
I downloaded Horriblesubs before, but it was deleted with fire as soon as I saw Elizabeth's beauty being blighted. They say pandoras die and shit. Please don't let this be a set-up for that. The OP has a shot of her in hospital, so it's hopeful that she'll survive whatever hits her.. so in that case please don't extract her Stigmata. I need her hanging aroundthe poolon screen.
That ep was better, I mean for the Freezing franchise of course.
But it's surprising they would spend some time on inferior pandoras, when the one they have last under a minute at best in real combat conditions. What would be the purpose of E-pandoras? They would be totally useless on the battlefield, at least as they are now.
Maybe their only quality would be they aren't compatible with Nova and can't be brain-hacked and turn against humanity as puppets... like pandoras do.
If the project is successful, then the E-pandora could be produced en mass. They're weak now and need to improve using the original pandora. It seems reasonable enough. It doesn't sound like the e-pandoras are mentally prepared to die though, which could be a problem when the real crisis kicks in.
Quite a decent episode in my opinion. The setting is kind of a cliche, but that's okay with this show. The execution of the mock fight especially was good, with one side doomed to losing from the beginning and the other side not knowing how exactly how far to go. With the fundamental purpose of the fights so far removed from the contestants themselves, the motivations were all over the place. The E-Pandoras naturally simply wanted to prove their worth, their right to exist and participate in humanity's efforts against the Novas, while the real Pandoras were supposed to be nothing but measurement devices to see how high the E-Pandoras could jump. I'm happy the real Pandoras ended up supporting the E-Pandoras despite the fact Pandoras are known to be very competitive, proud, and even arrogant. Though it's always easy to appear magnanimous from a position of absolute superiority.
But I fucking hate the other cliche of Kazuya getting kicked out of the shared room with Satella and instead the girls sharing it. I wish Kazuya had enough balls to be a man every once in a while and do what he wants to do (assuming he does want anything).
Nobody needs people who are mentally prepared to die. They need people who are ready to fight to win, no matter the cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Allow me to rephrase: they're not mentally aware that death is a real possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
I don't think Kazuya got kicked out of his own room. I think he left on his own since he was the source of the problem in his eyes. But still.......what the hell was he thinking? Sharing a room with Stella like that.
I was talking about a cliche, so that cliche kicked him out of the room, not any other character. There are myriad other anime/manga, where a guy and girl have been travelling together, but then from somewhere appear more girls, and they don't allow the original pair anymore such privacy. So, it's always going to be girls sharing a room and the guy spending his time in loneliness (but I guess it's okay, since he doesn't have any balls anyway, so at least that way he can't disappoint a girl).Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin
Hiryuu - S2 Episode 03
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Stupid scientific labs..
I can see Elizabeth advocating for E-Pandora safety after this fight.
It looks like the kind of research where sacrifices cannot be avoided if results are wanted quickly for the ongoing war. But you certainly are correct in the sense that it doesn't look like a fully sanctioned project with acknowledged unknowns (like science shoud be), but rather something an organization or a company is doing on a false premise to secure their funding and continuation. The scientist woman's behavior was highly divided as well between trying to meet the progress expectations and at least trying to maintain some principles. But the fact they were keeping so many secrets fundamentally renders the whole thing quite fell. I suppose one problem is that watching the pandora girls swimming and enjoying themselves doesn't really give an impression the humanity is in any imminent danger of annihilation, justifying inhuman experimentation.
Freezing is not a stellar anime by any standards.
But at least it does not try to be elitist or something it isn't.
It's a fanservice show, with simple shonen/seinen structure and a simple story line. Yet you can enjoy it for what it is for now. I had my doubts in ep1.
I'm just a little frustrated at Satela, she's a second character for now. But I understand that they have to give some flesh to other characters to try and build a storyline.
It was a bit surprising they used Satela's data. From what I remember, she is an odd one. Number of Stigmata, the way she was implanted and everything is non standard about her. She might just be you 6sigma kind of test subject that survived her stigmata and accessed a huge source of powers she only exploited to a bare minimum as of yet.
So it's a bit strange a scientist would chose that as a model, when Elisabeth and the others among the top seems to be "easier" models to apprehend from a scientific angle.
But again, that might be because it will give Satela a major role in solving the crisis, as she becomes defacto the only one to truly understand some of the specifics of the powers implanted in Gina. Or also she might be somewhat controllable by Kazuya's Limiter.
If Satella seems like a secondary character now, what does that make Kazuya? Barely even a tertiary one. Even Rana, let her name be cursed, seems more important than Kazuya at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by David75
If Satellizer has 6 stigmatas in her, it might be a good to use her data since the idea with MkIV was to activate the stigmatas in the e-pandoras. I'll agree with you if instead of compatibility we're looking for maximum exploitation - we should be looking at Ms Monster there. She's got... 3 (only)?Quote:
Originally Posted by David
In any case, weren't they just unnecessarily greedy to speed up the process? Normal sense would dictate they use data from a very average but exceedingly stable person (that is, not somebody from this flock of elites they invited). They have a process they clearly understand very poorly and can predict the result of even less, yet they still went for the maximum output right off the bat. While I think the E-Pandora is a very worthy project, despite what we have seen, I think the boss man on the phone belongs in a prison and the scientist lady would deserve a few good punches in the head and a long lecture about ethics.
You know, given the state the world is supposedly in I'm wondering why there's so much resistance to the e-pandora project before this. They haven't told us anything about a competing project. Cutting funds to line pockets isn't going to save people from the Nova, the cut funds should have gone to another rival department.
As Kraco (I think) mentionned before, we do not have any useful background on the state of their world.
Things I remember tell me that there are cities, research facilities and strong states still there with army and lots of equipment that suppose the world can still operate freely enough.
I guess that's the maximum we get get from a show which purpose is elsewhere ;)
We even totally forgot about Kazuya's sister and his sister complex. And the fact that some of the Stigmata she had are now implanted in Satella, explaining their natural pairing.
Doesn't matter in the end, boobs and ass do!
The only thing that works against the Nova when they get in close are the Pandoras because the Nova freezes anything else. They also said a few episodes ago that Pandoras die left, right a center. All that leads me to believe that pandoras are the last line between humans and their destruction..Quote:
Originally Posted by David
But yeah, just keep feeding me more Mably and I'm happy.
Hiryuu - S2 Episode 04
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WHAT the FUCK did you do to my Eli!?
I haven't been so furious in a long, long time. At first I thought maybe Chiffon did it, but she seemed just as surprised. Now I really want to watch the episode, but I might break something if I do.. FFF------
edit: post-rage, and now using my brain. Perhaps it was a forceful stigmata extraction.
I guess this was the reason why she didn't Satella to follow her; she foresaw this conclusion of the likely one. I suppose Chevalier will lose one investor after this.
Kind of funny to only talk about the preview like it already happened, but it's not like this ep had that much content in it. But it's really evident Satella might not even be ready for the baptism herself: She still can't inherently comprehend the role of freezing in battle and thus got so easily stopped by her peers.
I thought that's what the support roles are for. The Nova are capable of Freezing, so you need your supports to counter-freeze. Pandoras themselves aren't inherently immune or resistant to its effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
I'm not really sure what your point is, in relation to my comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
I was talking about the scene where Satella intended to intervene but was frozen by Eli's support, whom Eli naturally had with her. But where was Satella's partner, Kazuya? Nowhere in sight because Satella's such an untouchable queen she doesn't fully get, deep down, their role in battle, to her detriment. This is why I said she might not be ready for the baptism herself. She would only go for it (if she wasn't so shy) because she likes Kazuya as a man and because her pride tells her all the other top Pandora obviously have a Limiter. But she hasn't wrapped her head around the fact she can't perform at 100% as a Pandora without a Limiter at hand.
I thought you were saying that Satellizer got stropped (frozen by Andrei) because she couldn't comprehend the idea of having a partner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
I'll agree to an extent since Satellizer didn't bring Kazuya along, but she also moved on her own accord since she's supposed to be on standby. Getting someone else to break the law with her doesn't sound all that plausible either. This is particularly the case since it was an emergency and she came along just because she had a hunch.
Exactly. It's like she didn't realise it could happen - because in her head she doesn't count for the existence of a Limiter. It's all fine during the bouts and such, but this situation was a real battle situation. The combat unit is a Pandora+Limiter. Having only a Pandora is less than a single unit. That's what she doesn't fully realise yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
I find that just sad. It's made all the sadder by Satella begging Eli to allow her to participate in the protest (meaning, Satella should be allowed to break the law for the greater good, but Kazuya not even given the chance). I'm not sure it's pure consideration on Satella's part to not even ask Kazuya. On one hand Satella likes to behave as if they were a real combat unit already, like with her reaction to the initial room arrangement (that the thrice-cursed Rana broke), but on the other hand Satella forgets Kazuya and thus also Kazuya's feelings whenever it suits her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Episode 5 - Hatsuyuki
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Looks like the Mably family hadn't run their business altogether cleanly if they were brough down this easily. After all, governments wouldn't give an organization like Chevalier any extra powers considering how powerful Pandoras alone make it. On the contrary, if an organization like Chevalier tried to do anything shady, their leadership would be brought down swiftly.
Looks like Elizabeth is finished in any case. Severe brain damage or something. I wonder how they are going to justify that...
I had forgotten that Satella was against baptising because she was abused as a child.
As for Elizabeth.. I'm hopeful at the moment. Somehow this actual episode didn't bring about as much dread as the preview from last week did. As for the scandals, I wonder how truthful they are, or whether they were set up. If Chevalier can hide their dirty work, it's not impossible to create some dirty evidence for the Mably family either.
Amelia's scene really shouldn't have ended without seeing Eli personally. The whole family thing is drastic and all, but the mindbreak's what symbolises the self-sacrifice.
It's true we only saw some headlines and that's pretty much it. But the episode did give an impression the company was done for. Fabricated evidence alone doesn't really lead to that, at most to a fall in stock prices (if it's a corporation), loss of revenue, and investigations, unless we are talking about China or something. Although this story is written by a Korean, and South Korea used to be ruled by a military junta up till late 80's, so I imagine it's possible Koreans could have a bit different world view with lots of extrajudicial actions being taken against individuals and business. I'm no expert on Korea, though, so who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Hmm seems they mixed two arc into one. Because the whole Bali thing was supposed to have happened before Alaska, not during. I wonder how dark it will get in the anime. Because she obviously fears her brother.
I began to really hope Kazuya will get a chance to shine when the brother appeared. After all, we are 5 eps in, and he might as well not have appeared at all, for all his impact on the stuff going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin
Pfff nobody cares about Kazuya anymore. Not until he shows he has the balls.
He didn't show his power
We were not reminded anything about his sister and her stigmata being implanted in Satella.
Truth be told, even Satella wasn't really a MC during all those eps, Eli had more flesh, monster and the e-pandoras too.
Episode 6 - Hiryuu
Glad that went a lot faster than I thought it would. It will most likely be over by the next episode already. Which is good.
And it seems Kazuya does have some balls after all.
I really wished Kazuya's stand happened half an episode earlier. The cliffhanger too... he's bound do his signature super-freeze. They can redeem this cliffhanger by giving us a full episode of downed-beating by Kazuya. (Won't happen ofc, he'll just walk away with Satella)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin
Usually Kazuya doesn't care approaching Satella. So the 2 scenes where his hand is shown wanting to touch her felt artificial in the first place.
But all in all, it was a much better episode than what we've been served before.
Perhaps he only tried to touch her now because he saw the brother touch her and Satella didn't resist (although it takes a genuine Japanese man not to notice the look of absolute terror on Satella's face). It's not like he wouldn't want to touch, or at least I hope so. But he wouldn't touch because she always looks so uncomfortable. Still, he does need to break the ice sooner or later, as Satella herself likely will only try to postpone it indefinitely, unless something major happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by David75
I'm very glad Kazuya showed some balls here, finally. Although I'm disappointed with his lack of kung fu and thus getting punched by the evil brother. He's Asian, for crying out loud, so he should know at least a few good moves as a birthright.
I'd actually say that the Japanese should be better at reading faces and non-verbal cues than others since their society seems to rely on it so much in order not to step on each other's toes.
Ten thousand harem series male main characters beg to disagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Hiryuu - Vibration Episode 07
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That was painful to watch. I can see the desire for the writers to make Satella settle this all by herself and turn Louis/Holly into good people to end the arc.. but it was still painful. Kazuya was all but useless. Satella said she'll protect me, so I should just stand here and let her do that! He didn't even counterfreeze the other duo.
Staying up to watch this episode just doubles the disappointment for me.
Although I fully agree on the painfulness of watching this episode, and especially the miracle curing of the evil brother's rotten personality, I can somewhat understand why Kazuya decided to take such a passive role. Under normal circumstances the kind of situation Satella was in would be most efficiently broken if she does it herself. She was sickly dependent on her brother for most of her life, so she needed to get rid of those chains and stand up for herself. Yet on the other hand loneliness was her second curse, and that's where Kazuya stands to help. I reckon he did it sufficiently by encouraging her as much as was possible. And he did break the freezing, which is naturally something only he could do and thus impossible to leave to Satella herself.
The weakest part of this ep was the brother not dying when he jumped. I knew he was going to jump as soon as they began to show the waves rolling against the rocks like in some horror movie from the B/W days. But that he survived the jump destroyed any stylistic theme, let alone victory, those scenes were hoped to produce. I mean, in the old movies the jump would surely have been lethal. This show is otherwise so cruel and bloody that it's hard to see why the abysmal brother needed a sugary ending.
Sure Last ep was better, as it was darker and they had to end everything by the end of today's ep.
Holly is a good girl, but there's no reason why Louis should change that much after having a fresh salt water bath.
The proper routes would have been a good beating by both and the elder sister ending it all for good measure with Louis losing his edge on Satella.
WTF the scene with the father not knowing anything about his daughter's life and he think he likes her?
Well we don't know anything about the father/daughter relation they have ( at least I think )
For all we know she was treated like a normal daughter and the guy just didn't know about his scumbag son.
I get a feeling the father is so busy doing business all over the world he hardly meets the children at all (just like any regular father should be in the Japanese culture). The nefarious brother probably also made sure Satella lost as many chances to meet the father as possible and couldn't say anything at all during the meetings she got. No doubt her stepmother did the same.
Episode 8 - Hiryuu
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It was nice to see Satella face an opponent with Kazuya by her side, like a real team of a Pandora and a Limiter.
I'm not sure I get the situation right now, though. The evil Chevalier boss had the right idea: This development allows them to monitor a bunch of Mark IV subjects at the same time, gaining statistically stronger data. Plus they took the injections by themselves, so there's no need to face the irk of the remaining ones and their whining. Also, if they all happen to die, the new batch of E-Pandora to arrive won't have the old ones around agigating them, spreading rumours and discontent. A total victory for Chevalier, if anything. Which brings me to the unexplained part: Why the tool-Pandora faced the E-Pandora like some criminals.
Amelia is going to take the records (of failed experiments) from Dr Oohara and release them to the world (what Eli tried to do). She'll also die in front of them during the process to make it all the more believable. Chevalier seems like they need a whole lot of public support for this project, so the E-pandoras are kicking it where it hurts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
I don't like nor know why Eli was dark like that. Shouldn't she be pale instead? I know she's normally white already so it'll be difficult, but darkening her like that doesn't really work.
That isn't exactly what I was talking about. Since Chevalier actually wanted to see what happens with these new Mark IVs (assuming they are new versions), they got now exactly what they wanted. Instead of beating the E-Pandora and treating them like criminal scum, the real Pandora should just usher them somewhere. But then again, I suppose they could have been adviced to treat them exactly like that and provocate them into fights to see immediately if they are any good and how soon they turn into Novas. But that would seem like pretty hasty and careless science.
Episode 9- Hiryuu
For all the Elizabeth fans.
I'm looking forward to the next episode the most. Going to see some actual Chiffon action.
It's good to see Elizabeth didn't turn out permanently brain dead. Though it's strange she's so suddenly up to heavy fighting.
One funny thing here is all that talking that still doesn't appear to have any results whatsoever. But I suppose they would hesitate ever so slightly to attack other Pandora and thus they waste time talking in their hesitation.
It's good to see more Eli again, though seeing her back in action so quick cheapens her trauma at the same time. If we saw her slowly and painfully recovering that would highlight even better the amount of sacrifice she had put in.
I don't get how Mach 3 ultrasonic waves meant anything as far as avoiding Mach 3's Quad-accel goes. If your attacks are faster, you'll simply hit the enemy first. You have to break their follow-through or dodge the follow-through to still avoid the attack. So did Godspeed miss without realising?
Maybe when she got hit first she got nudged off-course and missed because of that?
I thought I read Quattro Accel is mach 2 and the defense mechanism was mach 3
How does a sonic attack travel at Mach 3, though? If it's sonic, it ought to travel at Mach 1, obviously...
Stigmata science. Let's just leave it at that =\
Yep, my typo. I meant Mach 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by david
But Godspeed didn't realise..? Meh, she'll win anyway. :3Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin
Episode 10 Hiryuu
Get it while it's fresh.
These fights are really poorly executed, rendering their meaningfulness somewhat moot. Sure, a defeated one is down and the winner walks forward, but they might as well have played rock, paper, scissors if the fights don't need to make any sense. Like Charles's Limiter suddenly stopping doing anything when Andre went all out. Or Kazuya doing absolutely nothing when Satella (and Rana) were bleeding, despite Chiffon not having her own Limiter anywhere in sight and thus Kazuya's freezing would have gone unchallenged. Does Kazuya enjoy watching Satella bleed or something?
Yeah I have to agree that the fights are poorly done because of what you said. At least Chiffon really is the monster they say she is. Would have been even better if she fought while under effects of the Freezing. Still...she hasn't opened her eyes yet. If a closed eyed character opens their eyes then shit is about to go down.
Not like that, but rather the moment Kazuya had tried to freeze her, Chiffon would have jumped in and knocked Kazuya down, or at least thrown something his way. Kazuya is supposed to be a Limiter monster, after all, so it wouldn't make sense to be able to fight under his freezing. But aside from that, he's nothing more than a man, not a fighting machine like the Pandora. I wouldn't have wanted to see him badly hurt, though, just shaken enough he couldn't have interfered for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin
Yeah but she is also supposed to be the strongest Pandora ever. Fighting while under Freezing of that guy would just reinforce that fact. Ahh well..she is still gonna whoop ass.
I loved how either a win or a loss works out for Julia. She was so quick to give up for Cassie to have her way with her. xD
I wasn't aware that Limiters even had Stigmata in them. Perhaps I simply forgot or something.