Death Note

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Originally Posted by el_boss

I found a miss in the show. In one of the commercial info thingys it said "If you misspell a name more than four times the death note will be rendered useless" or something like that. When Light killed that moped riding rapist guy he wrote his name like 20 times and it still worked.

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Light being so lucky might have gotten it correct in the first 4 tries.

I quickly checked 13 and 14 and mixed two rules.
The one for the mispelling that has been perfectly reported by Kraco
And the one regarding Suicide that musn't involve the death of other people... and when it does, the person will only die of heart attack.

Sorry for that mistake

For that second rule, the strange thing is that even a heart attack could still involve the death of many, as someone said here before.

It's been a while since I read the manga and I haven't watched much of the anime to remember, so can anyone her post a screencap of the rules especially the one where you guys say he can't misspell a name 4 times and/or if you can just give me the episode and time where it's mentioned so I can check it out.

I actually preffer the episode and time if possible.

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Originally Posted by Budweineken

It's been a while since I read the manga and I haven't watched much of the anime to remember, so can anyone her post a screencap of the rules especially the one where you guys say he can't misspell a name 4 times and/or if you can just give me the episode and time where it's mentioned so I can check it out.

I actually preffer the episode and time if possible.

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I can't say for the other sub versions but the Animanda sub of episode 13 displays the rule at 11:21

The DEATH NOTE will be rendered useless if the victim's name is misspelled four times. is the exact wording.

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Originally Posted by Psyke

Light being so lucky might have gotten it correct in the first 4 tries.

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I guess this is the best explenation, which sort of sucks since the show is so thought through in all other areas.

Well, the first variations of the name he wrote are probably the most probable and common spellings of the name, so it's not really that far of stretch to think he got "lucky".

The other question would be does the Death Note become useless in general or just against the victim he's trying to kill? I would like to think that it's simply the Death Note losing its powers against that victim in particular, still that would mean that Light will have 8 chances to guess L's name if he doesn't figure it out (using his and Misha's Death Note). I would think this is so because the rule specifies "the victim" instead of "a victim".

Also, I'm pretty sure that once a name is written in the Death Note (correctly) the person will die no matter what you do, so after he "luckily" wrote the bike guy's name correctly, anything written after it already becomes useless. Which ties up with what I just mentioned above about the Note Book being rendered useless only to the victim in question, not in general. How's that for "so thought through"?

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Originally Posted by Budweineken

Well, the first variations of the name he wrote are probably the most probable and common spellings of the name, so it's not really that far of stretch to think he got "lucky".

The other question would be does the Death Note become useless in general or just against the victim he's trying to kill? I would like to think that it's simply the Death Note losing its powers against that victim in particular, still that would mean that Light will have 8 chances to guess L's name if he doesn't figure it out (using his and Misha's Death Note). I would think this is so because the rule specifies "the victim" instead of "a victim".

Also, I'm pretty sure that once a name is written in the Death Note (correctly) the person will die no matter what you do, so after he "luckily" wrote the bike guy's name correctly, anything written after it already becomes useless. Which ties up with what I just mentioned above about the Note Book being rendered useless only to the victim in question, not in general. How's that for "so thought through"?

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Since we don't know the actual mechanics of the misspelling rule we can only speculate, but from what they have shown your conclusion here should be quite spot on.

Either the guess was in the first four attempts or the last four, depending on which way the note gives priority to the guesses.

Guesses after (or before depending on priority) the right one don't count. The note doesn't acknowledge them at all.

You can write several guesses at once and the note will "choose" the right one, if it fulfills all requirements.

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Originally Posted by el_boss

You can write several guesses at once and the note will "choose" the right one, if it fulfills all requirements.

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I don't think you can write several at once... A person who could write with both the left and right hands could write two names at once, but that's about it. And the rule would be meaningless if it didn't monitor the attempts from the beginning, comparing them to the face you must have in mind when writing the names. So, when you think about someone and write names, the four first ones should be the attempts. After that it shouldn't count anymore, like Bud said.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

I don't think you can write several at once... A person who could write with both the left and right hands could write two names at once, but that's about it. And the rule would be meaningless if it didn't monitor the attempts from the beginning, comparing them to the face you must have in mind when writing the names. So, when you think about someone and write names, the four first ones should be the attempts. After that it shouldn't count anymore, like Bud said.

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What I meant is that you don't need to say "I think this is the right one" and wait to see what happens. If you write four variations of one name at once, the note will choose the correct one of them automatically.

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Originally Posted by el_boss

What I meant is that you don't need to say "I think this is the right one" and wait to see what happens. If you write four variations of one name at once, the note will choose the correct one of them automatically.

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That should be obvious, because only one would be the name. The others would be just meaningless words. And the book requires the name and the face. There's only one way a name can be written correctly (or in Japan I quess you could often say two ways: Hiragana and Kanji, but anyway).

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Originally Posted by Kraco

That should be obvious, because only one would be the name. The others would be just meaningless words. And the book requires the name and the face. There's only one way a name can be written correctly (or in Japan I quess you could often say two ways: Hiragana and Kanji, but anyway).

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Yes, but even though they are "meaningless words" the note does still attach some significance to them, otherwise the 4 misspells rule would not exist.

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Originally Posted by el_boss

Since we don't know the actual mechanics of the misspelling rule we can only speculate, but from what they have shown your conclusion here should be quite spot on.

Either the guess was in the first four attempts or the last four, depending on which way the note gives priority to the guesses.

Guesses after (or before depending on priority) the right one don't count. The note doesn't acknowledge them at all.

You can write several guesses at once and the note will "choose" the right one, if it fulfills all requirements.

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Indeed, I assumed that the first correct spelling will be priotized over the others... I'm basing it on that I don't remember hearing or reading about a way to cancel the death of a name writen in the Death Note. So, it's seems logical to me that once that name is spelled correctly and it satisfies the 4 mispelling rules, everything else after it should become irrelevant. But it is as you mentioned, it all depends on what priorities the rules of the Death Note are, and assuming that our speculations on some of these rules are correct. I don't remember most of the rules, pretty much everything that has been mentioned here.

I don't think the guess could've been in the last four as you say, solely because it would make the 4 misspelling rule irrelevant, so he should've gotten lucky in the first 4 tries. Now, let's say he writes the same name correctly 4 times, now which of the 4 entries does the Death Note take priority over? The first, the second, the third, or the fourth entry? If it's not the first entry, then my previous assumptions will probably be invalidated, but if it's indeed the first entry, then I think we've pretty much proven how this Death Note works.

in ep 15 NOT REALLY A SPOILER BUT BEWARE

It states that you can cross out a name with two lines and it won't happen if its within the allowed time frame for changes.

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Originally Posted by woofcat

in ep 15 NOT REALLY A SPOILER BUT BEWARE

It states that you can cross out a name with two lines and it won't happen if its within the allowed time frame for changes.

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Humm, then I stand corrected, though Light didn't cross-out any name in the first episode, so it's pretty much irrelevant. As said in my previous post, I think the most important part will be what takes priority once a name is written correctly, the first time it's written or the second time it's written.

Edit: The episode actually said that the only things that could be changed was the time and condition of death. It didn't say anyting about cancelling the death of the person whose name is written.

Even if you have a warning on it, I won't allow all the DN rules to be posted here yet, for more information reffer to our spoiler policy

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Originally Posted by Psyke

Spoilers

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That website already exceeded its bandwidth, well no wonder, it IS Geocities after all, shitty hosting service, sigh... I wanted to see the many rules of the Death Note.

Wait, so I'm guessing Psyke posted a link to some site with al the rules....is that against the rules?

Well, have all the rules been revealed in the anime? If that's the case, then it's not against the rules, but it's my understanding that not all the rules have been mentioned yet. I may be mistaken, but to be on the safe side I removed the links. If anyone can prove to me that all the rules have been mentioned on the anime already via pm I'll post the link again.

Nah, definately not all the rules have been shown, so it's true that there might be spoiler material in it. I'm not too sure myself as I'm not ahead in the manga, although there is an amazing numnber of rules in the link I had posted. And because the site is constantly busy, I had created a page myself and hosted it on my site. I'll post the link up at the end of the series to prevent any spoiler material. Alternatively you can PM me for the link.