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no problem, My bad. I took it the wrong way. ^_^...
what do u think of the chairman, he has been annoying me lately. I love the kind of character he is ie: a manipulative ass!..but i dislike him because he is manipulating people against my fav character...
Asurna should def lay the smack down on shinn,.
What an excellent episode. I was crying in joy as Shinn totally won me over with his devastating sexyness which was oh so flamboyantly displayed ( the split evade was just DIVINE! ), and the laughter in the end was simply perfect icing on the cake. It was about time Kira got pushed off his high horse and fell right into the dirt. Hopefully, he will die. If not, he should at least stop acting like an arrogant imbecile and start using those "awesome skills" he has in a proper way.
you mean by using his "awsome skills" in the proper way as kill shinn who's a total moron with them? then yes, use them in the "proper way"
Yup. I mean, it is pretty sad to be totally owned by a "total moron," isn't it?Quote:
Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
you mean by using his "awsome skills" in the proper way as kill shinn who's a total moron with them? then yes, use them in the "proper way"
Kira has considered himself completely superior to everyone else up until now. He has thought that he can just waltz in, disable everyone else, and then waltz out with a broad smile on his lips. It's about time someone set him straight on that, and in the process damage his heavily inflated ego.
Call Shinn whatever you want, at least he made some research, some planning and went in with the intent to kill his opponent rather than just humiliate him.
When i first saw GSD i hated shinn with a passion, but eventually i started liking him. He is his own character, the 'anti-hero', not one of those athrun/kira clones i initially predicted him to be, and thankfully, because of this, the story of GSD is more interesting.
For this battle, i give shinn props. He uses every advantage given to him, and his shield move was extremely skilled. Freedom however, seemed a bit toned down in this fight, and i am now confused as to why the GS crew threw in that 'Kira is the ultimate coordinator' line in the first series, because that is totally disproven here.
Shinn however, is long over due for some humbling, and i sincerely hope Athrun redeems himself next ep by kicking shinn's ass, haha, even if it gets him arrested. Shinn needs to know the consequences of his actions, how releasing stellar resulted in so many people dying. His laugh at the end was really disturbing.
Also, if there is any fairness at all (which i doubt there is), i hope that they at least pronounce shinn's Impulse as 'damaged beyond repair'. This helps keep Shinn's power in check as well as give some tribute to how difficult freedom was taken down. Plus... when Kira eventually owns shinn, it just won't feel the same when he has a better suit [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] and shinn doesn't.
Ive seen those, I've also seen some little comic called the K.O.S(king of seed) its pretty funny IMO
ooh...I wanna see. link if you can plz.
lol athrun wont be arrested, he's FAITH [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] lol he can do whatever he wants
I'll put it in the GS Funnies thread
i agree that the disconnection dodge move Shinn pulled along with the shield reflecting shot was really awesome
especially since it looked like Kira intended to strike his cockpit when he dodge it by disconnecting his suit
so it shows that Shinn really has skill to back his attidude (which i find refreshing)
well Seed itself ended literally being mostly holesQuote:
Originally posted by: ch4kz
but really I don;'t actually hate shinn I jsut don't agree with what the director did, to many holes
alot of issues were left undiscussed and unexplained
and those 2 episodes where Rau made his plans known to Kira and Mwu simply added more holes and thus confusion but i find that to be a factor that kept drawing me back to Seed and now to Destiny
i want to fill up those holes if possible
labelling Shinn as becoming a bad guy i can understandQuote:
Originally posted by: Dannynonsense
the battle between kira and shinn is over for now the next battle is the smacking that asuran is gonna give shinn. but on to another note its clear that shinn is most likely gonna be the bad guy i doubt he will join the AA its makes no sense for him to join that ship and i doubt they can change him in these last 16 episodes. finally Shinn can not and will never be able to defeat kira the supreme mobile suit pilot his only rival is asuran
but somewhat stating that the AA and it's crew are the "good guys" i don't agree too
because the things they've done resulted in alot of people getting killed and that's just not something "good guys" typicaly do right?
but in the end it's all a matter of opinion
shinn was in berserk seed mode while kira was just in normal seed mode.
well then who would you consider as the good guys of the story did you forget that Zaft and EAF are fighting for their own gain not because of what they so call claimQuote:
Originally posted by: Motteh
i agree that the disconnection dodge move Shinn pulled along with the shield reflecting shot was really awesome
especially since it looked like Kira intended to strike his cockpit when he dodge it by disconnecting his suit
so it shows that Shinn really has skill to back his attidude (which i find refreshing)
well Seed itself ended literally being mostly holesQuote:
Originally posted by: ch4kz
but really I don;'t actually hate shinn I jsut don't agree with what the director did, to many holes
alot of issues were left undiscussed and unexplained
and those 2 episodes where Rau made his plans known to Kira and Mwu simply added more holes and thus confusion but i find that to be a factor that kept drawing me back to Seed and now to Destiny
i want to fill up those holes if possible
labelling Shinn as becoming a bad guy i can understandQuote:
Originally posted by: Dannynonsense
the battle between kira and shinn is over for now the next battle is the smacking that asuran is gonna give shinn. but on to another note its clear that shinn is most likely gonna be the bad guy i doubt he will join the AA its makes no sense for him to join that ship and i doubt they can change him in these last 16 episodes. finally Shinn can not and will never be able to defeat kira the supreme mobile suit pilot his only rival is asuran
but somewhat stating that the AA and it's crew are the "good guys" i don't agree too
because the things they've done resulted in alot of people getting killed and that's just not something "good guys" typicaly do right?
but in the end it's all a matter of opinion
chitgoks, plz dont bring up that "there are 2 seed modes", discussion, cause actually there isnt a thing as a seed mode, its called berserk mode, the "Seed" is a different thing
Ya thanks for bringing that disconnection dodge up when Kira tried to hit the cockpit because many ppl said Kira lost because he didn't even try to kill Shinn. Well as you can see he did eventually but did not succeed.Quote:
Originally posted by: Motteh
i agree that the disconnection dodge move Shinn pulled along with the shield reflecting shot was really awesome
especially since it looked like Kira intended to strike his cockpit when he dodge it by disconnecting his suit
so it shows that Shinn really has skill to back his attidude (which i find refreshing)
You should know that the story is based on a war and when it comes to wars it's hard to draw lines between good and evil. Basically anyone who is fighting in a war has killed someone eventually. And it's not even clear what Dullindal's intentions are so far. The only clear cut bad guy would probably be that purple lips guy from the Logos. And the clear cut good guys are probably the AA crew since the story made them look like the saviors of the world. The rest of the ppl are more on the grayish area.Quote:
Originally posted by: Dannynonsense
well then who would you consider as the good guys of the story did you forget that Zaft and EAF are fighting for their own gain not because of what they so call claim
He wasn't aiming for the cockpit. He was aiming for the legs, but when Shinn seperated, the gap the beam saber went through makes it look like he tried it. If you pause right before it seperates and put your finger where the seperation line is, once you hit play you can see that the swing by Kira was below where the connection point is, thus below the cockpit.Quote:
Originally posted by: heero
Ya thanks for bringing that disconnection dodge up when Kira tried to hit the cockpit because many ppl said Kira lost because he didn't even try to kill Shinn. Well as you can see he did eventually but did not succeed.Quote:
Originally posted by: Motteh
i agree that the disconnection dodge move Shinn pulled along with the shield reflecting shot was really awesome
especially since it looked like Kira intended to strike his cockpit when he dodge it by disconnecting his suit
so it shows that Shinn really has skill to back his attidude (which i find refreshing)
There are two seed modes rewatch Seed and the animations. There are two seperate types of going seed. There is the beserk SEED mode. And then the more controlled SEED mode that kira shows where he is more calm and collected. Can't get technical on the differences but there definately seems to be a difference of control. If you dont want to call it two different modes call it two different states of being. There is the initial entering of seed mode through emotional pain and loss where you have little control as your emotionally driven. Kill people when you don't fully intend to. Then there is the state you enter of your own will where you seem to be more level headed and what not.Quote:
Originally posted by: darkshadow
chitgoks, plz dont bring up that "there are 2 seed modes", discussion, cause actually there isnt a thing as a seed mode, its called berserk mode, the "Seed" is a different thing
Sorry this got really long but there are alot of people butting heads over who is better.
It looks like some people still are argueing over who is a better pilot between Shinn and Kira? Why is this? Kira is established throughout SEED as to be the Ultimate Coordinator. His abilities rival anything that was allowed to be reengineered. His genetics are flawless having been born in an artificial womb where no anomalies that normally occur could affect his development. The only one that is gonna come close to him in piloting is Canard Pars. Capabilities wise he is your best bet at Kira's equal followed by Athrun who was the after product of all the stuff they did in the ultimate coordinator project that they felt was safe to apply and would hold a benefit.
I doubt the increased spatial awareness "newtype abilities" will show up in Athrun thou.
But anyways I'd like to hear why someone thinks Shinn is a better pilot. For one him beating Kira doesn't make him a better pilot. Just like me kicking any of your asses in a FPS by using health and armor cheatcodes means I'm better. You could of Stuck Rey or Mwu/Neo in Impulse and the outcome would of been the same. You could of stuck Shinn in Justice and he would of lost to Kira. Impulse and its capability to in essence regenerate from damage and Kira's no kill policy is the reason Shinn won.
I'll again give props to Shinn he pulled it off masterfully. The tactics he used were fricken brilliant. Best strategic fight I've seen yet in Gundam. But it was the cheapest ass thing in the world. But hey its a war and in that anything goes. Just don't give me crap saying that Shinn > Kira in piloting. I'm tired of reading these misinformed posts throughout this thread saying its not cheap and that Shinn is stronger than Kira and better. Kira wasn't even really paying attention to Shinn till Shinn went SEED. I mean he would do alil dodge here and there but he actually had time to send a text message to the Archangel for it to leave and goto ORB with cagalli. Come on. Shinn is good and keeps getting better but hes still not upto snuff yet. Hopefully thou now with a better suit he will reach a higher potential.
I keep envisioning Shinn launching and expecting Kira to just aim for the arms and head like Rey said then Kira deciding that hes tired of being delayed by this guy. He keeps getting in my way like Athrun and just bam shooting Impulse with everything instead of holding back and sticking to his guns with the no kill policy. He did what he set out to thou. He was escort and AA got away safely with Cagalli from the looks of things. They were well into the water by the time the gun fired. The more I watch that last scene the more it looks like Kira may have intended to take that last hit. He specifically took out Impulse's head. Why did he want to take out Shinn's main camera? Does he eject or was he covering for AA again. With his last action he prevented the AA from pursuing AA since Impulse was slagged.
SEED mode and "berserk" SEED mode are the same thing. The ONLY differance is the emotional state of the person that entered SEED mode.
I agree...i think the difference would be Kira/Seed has a Greater awareness to his surroundings than Shinn/BerserkerSeed who is only focused on Killing Kira/Revenge...Quote:
Originally posted by: Curium
SEED mode and "berserk" SEED mode are the same thing. The ONLY differance is the emotional state of the person that entered SEED mode.