Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2

I didn't catch the fact that the bandaid was on the ring finger of her left hand until this episode (where they made it obvious). Makes you wonder what is going on in her head now that she's been properly fed and treated for what would be the first time in her recollection. Not to mention she's the close-kept personal servant of the most powerful person she knows.

As much as I disliked the way they are treating the whole Ogi/Viletta side story [read: all but ignoring it and then just jumping ahead without telling us anything], I did really like the point that Diethard made. People like Ougi and yes, even Tamaki are necessary because they are "normal" people that recruits can connect with. They're not long-time rebel ace pilot/commanders, Japanese royalty, former Generals, assassins, genius scientists or Zero's concubine. Ougi, though his tactical or combat usefulness is limited, is a symbol of the kind of people they want to gain the sympathy and support.

As easy as it was to hate Suzaku this episode for being a hypocrite as always, there is something we have to take back from this. The series centers around Lelouch, far out of proportion to Suzaku. We know that Lelouch was going to surrender to Euphie. We know Lelouch blames himself for it, even though it wasn't completely his fault. Same for Shirley (twice). We can hate Suzaku here because we really know how much Lelouch, prideful Lelouch, is proselytizing before his former friend, taking all the blame in the slimmest hope that he might get one single favor. But Suzaku knows none of this. That's why he asked it all. Does it make me hate him any less? No. But it is something we have to keep in mind.

Now the ones to really hate are Schniezel and that douchebag Canon. Schniezel because he now claims to have the upper hand in the grand scheme of things, has control of Nina's Nuke, and seems to know a lot more know that he's forced Suzaku to tell him everything. But why hate Canon even more? Because he has the fucking gall to tell Suzaku, "I'm in no position to reprimand you, but I would if you weren't the Knight of Seven." Since when is a weakling little manservant in the position to insult and look down on someone who puts themselves at risk to live up to their ideals (misguided as Suzaku's may be).

Schemers have no right to insult the honor of those that would stand on the front lines for what they believe in.

That is what separates Lelouch, Suzaku, Cornelia, Euphemia, Xingke, Kallen, and Orange-kun from the likes of Schniezel, Canon, Nina, the eunuchs, various unimportant governors, and the Emperor.

(and Gino is totally luring Kallen out so that he might get a chance to touch the boobs bursting out of her dress.)

Things are getting fuzzy, and it's shit. More players on the field, more complex personas, more plots and schemers.

I can only think of one thing, Nina's Nuke. I just want it to be set off when in Suzaku's rectum.

Out of all the shitty characters in this series (and there are a lot), I most definitely hate Suzaku the most.

I hope everyone noticed that Schnizels boy toy has a recording of Lelouch's conversation with Suzaku. That could be a pretty handy tool if applied at the right moment.

Anyway, sending Rollo to get Nunally is pretty dumb, but Lelouch seems to think he's won Rollo over with the idea of being added to his family instead of replacing it.

More Cornelia bondage scenes are always welcome, I can't wait till they come out with a miniature of that, I think I'll have to buy it.

And the biggest setup in this ep woudl be Suzaku + Nuclear Warhead + Messed up head. Imagine the haterade we'll be able to pour on Suzaku if he ends up nuking the capital of his homeland in the pursuit of his misguided nonsense ideology (b/c making everyone happy by letting Britannia enslave them is so much more fun than fighting against Britainnian enslavement and advocating freedom).

I also thought that was an interesting use of the Geass. Up till now I assumed if a person couldn't physically complete a command (like Shirley being ordered to live when she was dying) it wouldn't work on them. I didn't really consider his order to appear as Cornelia as something you can order someone to do.

Ordering someone to imagine something else to replace another thing (like imagining something from nothing, or forgetting about certain things) seems normally impossible, but it really is not that far-fetched. It can happen when one experiences trauma, and people in denial can do it as well (though of course involuntarily). This makes it physically possible, just mentally implausible, a situation we have seen overcome by geass numerous times.

@Ryll - I thought about what you said about Suzaku, and that has been his excuse for the longest time. We all know Suzaku is not a "bad" guy. If anything, he tries to do the "right" thing all the time (as confused, stupid and misguided his perception of that is). I didn't hate him for that in this episode. It is his usual hypocrisy that strikes me as hateful. Let me elaborate.

Suzaku from one week ago (the one that has not been ordered to nuke his own country, the one that did not have to worry about his blind little friend Nunnally being held hostage or hurt) would never even think of talking to, much less negotiating with Lelouch/Zero. He wanted to know about certain things (like the order to live etc.), but those can be obtained through refrain or physical torture. He would never have offered his hand to help (this is of course because he does not know the whole situation, like Ryll said).

Why does he do it now? Because he is stuck in a situation where he realizes that the side he trusted was all twisted, and that the only way out would be to use Lelouch. It is so funny how alike they think at times, but the look of disgust on his face when he was talking about how Nunnally commented on how similar Lelouch and him have become was the height of his hypocrisy.

Again, is he aware about becoming like his hated rival? No, of course not. His hypocrisy extends to himself. It is so powerful he can fool himself into thinking that his bullshit talk about making Zero's lies real and fighting for justice is actually for the greater good instead of his own personal agenda. He can't even clean up his own mess (much like Lelouch, only Lelouch had it much tougher) so he decides to get his "best friend" to do it. The main difference here is, Lelouch bowed his head to get what he wants, while Suzaku stepped on it.

Kicking people while they are down is one of the most disgusting things anyone can do. I bet even Suzaku knows that Lelouch didn't do all the things he said he did (having known him when they were children), but he needed a convenient outlet for his powerlessness, and what is more accessible than a a person (you hate) groveling on the ground for a favor (one that should be in line with Suzaku's ideal of protecting the innocent)? What he did was like extortion really, but that is just another fact he can easily bury in his long list of the things he has conveniently forgotten, or ignored.

It's not like I'd feel any need to defend Suzaku but I'll still point out he's not fighting for his own vision as such as much as he's trying to create a peaceful world, just like Lelouch. It's just that his way for that end is quite the opposite to Lelouch's. This episode showed the first time that Suzaku might have doubted the effectiveness of his own choice. Obviously if both of them follow their own ways there can't be anything but conflict, since they are at opposing sides, but yet Suzaku was going to give Lelouch a chance to prove his way is a valid one.

It's safe to say Suzaku is getting more and more lost. After Euphie died he hasn't really had anything or anybody specific to defend. That makes me think Lelouch's willingness to go so far to defend Nunnally must have affected Suzaku and reminded him of his old self (or rather what he imagined he was, since he's always been a killer in reality).

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Originally Posted by Inazuma

I can only think of one thing, Nina's Nuke. I just want it to be set off when in Suzaku's rectum.

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When I read this, I initially thought that the idea was impossible, then I remembered how big of an asshole Suzaku is. Now, it almost seems that the nuke is too small.

@Luci - While I always love C.C., there was something weird about how she was drawn in that scene (particularly the face). I don't hate it, but its not up to the usual level of hotness.

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Originally Posted by shinta|hikari

When I read this, I initially thought that the idea was impossible, then I remembered how big of an asshole Suzaku is. Now, it almost seems that the nuke is too small.

@Luci - While I always love C.C., there was something weird about how she was drawn in that scene (particularly the face). I don't hate it, but its not up to the usual level of hotness.

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So I'm not alone when I think that CC was drawn out of proportions.

Btw, Excalibur ? They could have made it a lot better, when you think of Excalibur + Knightmare you would expect a sword that shoot dinosaurs or some shit. Not just some vibration sword.

I wonder if the knight of one has a geass
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2415/neubitmapew8.jpg

who would stitch up his own eye?

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@Luci - While I always love C.C., there was something weird about how she was drawn in that scene (particularly the face). I don't hate it, but its not up to the usual level of hotness.

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actually her look on that scene reminded me of the old C.C.... hugging the stuffed animal like she always did... and daydreaming. it was nothing like the "pizza eating scene" or any other scene after she lost her memories... but I can't rewatch it because I don't remember the exact time... and I'm to lazy to rewatch the whole episode ^^ (if someone can tell me or remembers it roughly feel free to tell me, because I found it absolutely adorable ^^)

btw:
I wonder what Charles is planning.... the screen said "GEASS" and they called it Ragnarok...
"The annihilation of the weak" I guess?

What I did not understand at all in this episode was: Schneizel talking nonesense.... (for me he seemed to act a bit too enigmatic)
I know that the recording is very usefull for him because he can use it to kill his status.. "A former prince of britannia as the leader of the black knights? no way!"
but for some reason I still don't get what he's after, it seems like he doesn't like Charles for some reason and wants to betray him... or at least he thinks different than him (btw I thought he already knew about the existence of Geass)

all in all, good episode even though I hate it when there are alot of "gundam fights"...
A whole flank crumbles just because there is a single knightmare..

I don't know about you guys but I'm with KrayZee, C2 was absolutly adorable all innocent and happy like that.

8:02 - 8:10

8 Seconds of sunshine.

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Originally Posted by KrayZ33

I wonder what Charles is planning.... the screen said "GEASS" and they called it Ragnarok...
"The annihilation of the weak" I guess?

What I did not understand at all in this episode was: Schneizel talking nonesense.... (for me he seemed to act a bit too enigmatic)
I know that the recording is very usefull for him because he can use it to kill his status.. "A former prince of britannia as the leader of the black knights? no way!"
but for some reason I still don't get what he's after, it seems like he doesn't like Charles for some reason and wants to betray him... or at least he thinks different than him (btw I thought he already knew about the existence of Geass)

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Ragnarok is the norse apocalype, known primarily for a large snake swallowing the sun. Perhaps he intends to build something to swallow Jupiter instead? Or maybe...just maybe, he intends to enter a so called "Jupiter Space" and attack one of the gods named Ishtar. Then in killing her, he will remake the world in his own vision.

/back to being serious

I starting to think that all along the Emperor meant for Schneizel and Lelouch to fight in a war of succession. Lelouch said that his only true equal in chess was Schneizel. Charles obviously wants to move onto bigger and better things, and we've heard all about how unfair he thinks the world is during that flashback that showed Marianne and C.C. together while he talked to V.V.

So what better way to find someone worthy to take over your empire? Let the eldest, weakest, dumbest heirs fall to the wayside, and let the two best and brightest fight over the entire world. Euphie was an easy sacrifice for him, Cornelia was too dependent on her little sister, the eldest (or second eldest) is a big dumb wuss who was pushed by one of his younger brothers into marrying Tian Zi. The others we don't know much about, but they seem to be more interested in the politics of things and being important. Certainly not enough to do anything that would put them in danger.

We just don't know where Schneizel stands. He's a huge manipulator, but not in the same way Lelouch is. He tells the gentle like Euphie and Nunnally that he only wants peace in this world, and he tells Nina and her kind (racists) that they need the ultimate military might to make that peaceful world. We really don't know what he's after, but no method is certainly beneath him in making it happen.

um, i guess im the only one again, but this episode felt so horribly rushed...

cant really go into detail, because the whole thing made me feel that. i wouldnt be surprised if Karen joined Britannia next episode...

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Originally Posted by Ryllharu

Ragnarok is the norse apocalype, known primarily for a large snake swallowing the sun. Perhaps he intends to build something to swallow Jupiter instead? Or maybe...just maybe, he intends to enter a so called "Jupiter Space" and attack one of the gods named Ishtar. Then in killing her, he will remake the world in his own vision.

/back to being serious

I starting to think that all along the Emperor meant for Schneizel and Lelouch to fight in a war of succession. Lelouch said that his only true equal in chess was Schneizel. Charles obviously wants to move onto bigger and better things, and we've heard all about how unfair he thinks the world is during that flashback that showed Marianne and C.C. together while he talked to V.V.

So what better way to find someone worthy to take over your empire? Let the eldest, weakest, dumbest heirs fall to the wayside, and let the two best and brightest fight over the entire world. Euphie was an easy sacrifice for him, Cornelia was too dependent on her little sister, the eldest (or second eldest) is a big dumb wuss who was pushed by one of his younger brothers into marrying Tian Zi. The others we don't know much about, but they seem to be more interested in the politics of things and being important. Certainly not enough to do anything that would put them in danger.

We just don't know where Schneizel stands. He's a huge manipulator, but not in the same way Lelouch is. He tells the gentle like Euphie and Nunnally that he only wants peace in this world, and he tells Nina and her kind (racists) that they need the ultimate military might to make that peaceful world. We really don't know what he's after, but no method is certainly beneath him in making it happen.

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I love the bold.

I wish they would do something with Cornelia already. She's been in a cell block for like the past 4 episodes. But we do get some fanservice from the peculiar way she's bound, mmm.

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Originally Posted by animus

I wish they would do something with Kallen already. She's been in a cell block for like the past 7 episodes. But we do get some fanservice from the peculiar way she's dressed and how she beats Suzaku, mmm.

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Fixed...

Decisive measures:

Episode 18 HD - Eclipse
Episode 18 SD - Eclipse

Episode 18 HD - gg

This episode left me with mixed feelings.

The Gurren has become a bit too much like another Gurren for my tastes. I mean, Kallen is tossing mini-galaxies around already. The little kid in me knows how awesome the two fights with wannabe-Vampire (thank god his role was short) and and Suzaku, but come on. It is Sunrise, and this isn't the first time retardedly overpowered things have existed in their series (any Gundam, Mai-Hime/Otome, etc), but we all came into Geass expecting a little less over-the-top mecha. The technological arms race has gone completely out of control now.

...and now this very overt Nationalist series has gone on to one more touchy subject from Japanese history. I'm interested in how the citizens (Japanese or Britannian colonists) examine the aftermath of being nuked.

What irked me the most was...again, various characters getting just enough time to make it really, really annoying.
- Cornelia [sexier-than-ever version] escaped.
- Anya had another Geass reaction and went comatose in mid flight.
- Though we know Diethard has her, no sign, and only one mention of Viletta.
Those lines pretty much sum up their involvement in the episode. We get freaking tertiary character development ("Oh, I saved you Nagisa, because you still need to tell Todou you love him.") but where the hell is the secondary character development!

Don't they care enough to even have another character mention how weird it is that Anya keeps falling out of the sky when she touches Zero's Knightmare?

/grumble, grumble, bitch, bitch, rant

Oh wait, "mixed feelings" means that I thought there was something redeeming about this episode. I suppose Cornelia will have to do.

someone got a direct download link for this episode? :(

I thought this was a good ep. I didn't expect Nunnally to die (ruling Area 11 certainly is detrimental to one's expected lifespan) but in addition to that the episode suggested subtly that Lelouch's rule might be crumbling also otherwise. Although knowing how attached he was to his little sister, it's not like he would need any harder a hit. All in all this wasn't certainly Lelouch's season...

So, seeing how things are falling apart left and right, I'm not sure how big a role uber mechas might anymore play. Well, we still do have quite a few eps left so anything could happen (and probably will happen since this is Code Geass), but likewise it's also possible the vehicles will play a lesser role. Especially if Lelouch won't get his act together anymore enough to conquer lands. I'm sure he will still do something but do knightmares play a big role, is another thing. In the end, if you consider this episode, it's not like Kallen's new uber Gurren really solved the whole thing. It forced Suzaku to use the wmd but honestly if he hadn't been fated to use it, the whole thing wouldn't have been introduced in the first place.

Mmm Cornelia. I swear she's got everyone beat in bust size probably.

It really sucks that Lelouch's geass caused Suzaku to fire FLEIA. It will just give him another reason to blame Lelouch, even though it was probably his own damn fault for putting himself in that situation. But I don't quite understand how Lelouch's 'live on' command translates into launching a mega warhead that is not in the direction of the person directly attacking him.

It is also very interesting that Nunally didn't die at Rollo's hands. It makes the whole situation with Rollo very unpredictable.

With Nunnally dead , if the Japanese betray Lelouch now, I don't think he will even have the will to continue anymore. He'll be completely screwed. Maybe theres a chance that Diethard will play a major role in preserving zero's image for the time being.

Suzaku intended to lauch FLEIA and kill Zero, Kallen and himself because the Gurren as kicking his ass so badly. The "Live" command made him miss so that he would not take himself out due to the enormous blast radius. So the shot goes directly for the palace, "killing" Nunnally and everyone else.

Why then, was Schineizel smiling when he specifically saw the FLEIA hit the palace (thus "killing" Nunnally)? Is it because he would know that something like that would break Lelouch's determination?

("Killing" Nunnally because this is first and foremost, a Sunrise series. Even seeing a body is not good enough. We need to see the blood drain out of them, like with Euphie and we need to see them buried.)

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Originally Posted by Ryllharu

Why then, was Schineizel smiling when he specifically saw the FLEIA hit the palace (thus "killing" Nunnally)? Is it because he would know that something like that would break Lelouch's determination?

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That's probably it. Lelouch originally started everything for Nunally's sake, and how that she's gone, he'll probably break down as well.

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Originally Posted by Ryllharu

Suzaku intended to lauch FLEIA and kill Zero, Kallen and himself because the Gurren as kicking his ass so badly. The "Live" command made him miss so that he would not take himself out due to the enormous blast radius. So the shot goes directly for the palace, "killing" Nunnally and everyone else.

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Are you sure about that? To me it seems like Suzaku did not intend to launch FLEIA at all. He just wanted Kallen to kill him. He grabbed the gun from behind Lancelot's back only after the 'live on' command had been activated and he had safely gotten out of the gurren's way. I don't see how he could have possibly launched FLEIA whilst Kallen was still attacking him. He didn't have enough time.

Sayako used some ninjutsu and teleported her and Nunnally to safety.

It's that simple.

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Originally Posted by Idealistic

Sayako used some ninjutsu and teleported her and Nunnally to safety.

It's that simple.

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i find it interesting that this is as plausible as "she's dead in the explosion that killed everyone else around her".

anyways... it's kind of cool that Suzaku killed Nunnaly the same way Lelouch killed Euphemia...

Yes, now Nunally is dead! Took fucking long enough. And cool new weapons as well. I love how they try to develop the character of every fucking ant in this series. Its almost as if the writers couldn't possibly put more focus on the people that actually matter.

Im not convinced she's and Ryll said before this is Sunrise were talking about here. Lelouch is emotionally screwed now that his sister is dead and with no C.C. to comfort him this time makes it all the worse for him.

I'm going to go with Ryll here ...
Fact is that Nunnaly and Sayoko being dead "just like that" in a Sunrise franchise sounds just stupid.
Mega Weapon of sure doom will get countered by the simple fact that they were in an escape shuttle that could easily kick some Mach7 speed. Thus, they are still alive (more like 50/50 to be, knowing Sunrise).

Kallen is back and kicking ass, Cornelia is out, Suzaku killed millions of his own kind and the person (Blind, young, caring and cute) he lived his childhood with, Orange got upgraded to SiegFriedShutterlandSniperthingy, Scheinzel is coming to town, Dad coming to see the party from the other side of the street, nukes, side chars dying, OBK loyalty to Zero falling apart.

If you don't think this ep is good, go get yourself checked by Keiko Nobumoto and have your standards reviewed.

(Note : Cowboy Bebop was a Sunrise prod too, even tough that the main characters are actually dead or believed to be dead.)

(Did I triple posted? if I did, sorry.)

The empire will probably find a way to blame the Black Knights for the nuke. It really didn't matter for me that Nunully died aside from the effect that Zero needed to have a 1 episode comeback from depression. What really affects me that the black knights lost a very vital agent which is Sayoko. Assuming she did die. But I'm still hoping for the teleportation theory,,,

If Rolo was in the same hangar as they were and yet he somehow managed to escape (maybe 5 sec geass head start), then it's not out of the real of possibility that the Nunully express with someone onboard who knew what the FLEIA was could have made it out in time.

I wish they'd kill off Rolo already.

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Originally Posted by xtallography

If Rolo was in the same hangar as they were and yet he somehow managed to escape (maybe 5 sec geass head start), then it's not out of the real of possibility that the Nunully express with someone onboard who knew what the FLEIA was could have made it out in time.

I wish they'd kill off Rolo already.

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Rolo hijacked a Knightmare and was waiting outside the hanger to shoot down Nunnally's shuttle. He only escaped because he was in a Britannian Knightmare and everybody else was going "GET THE FUCK OUTTA THERE!!!" Just wondering, did they ever define FLEIA? In the beginning of gg's sub, they had a note that said Freya=FLEIA (cause they had been calling it Freya until that point) and then said it was some stupid Britannian Engrish acronym, but I didn't see it defined...

Also in the intro, they show what I believe is Tristan and the Mordred in line with the Black Knights knightmares...next episode is Betrayal, either we finally explore Anya's weird geass reactions and she joins Lelouch as like..his other sister, Lelouch finally kills Rolo or Suzaku once again betrays Lelouch by blsming the destruction caused by FLEIA on him.

Still don't understand why it took Cornelia so long to escape, I mean she had plenty of time to, but why that exact time.

@CK - The last one isn't really betrayal though, but more like denial and transfer of guilt.

@animus - it looked as if she was struggling to use the tool to escape, so maybe that delayed her a bit. The other reason might be timing, since escaping without a diversion is bound for failure.

I could wish for nothing more right now than for Anya to join the Black Knights (because she is loli, and mysterious is always a plus) and explore her past a bit (well except for more C.C., but that's a given)

I think Nunnally and Sayoko are alive. Their death would be much too abrupt otherwise.

We see Kallen crying in the next episode. It's probably because of Nunnally and Sayoko being "dead", but could it also be because of what happens to Lelouch?

I personally want Lelouch to snap at Rollo for failing to save Nunnally, then Rollo finally deciding to kill (or is double suicide more likely?) Lelouch upon realizing he was being used. C.C. will then kill Rollo since she is immune to his geass (and he does not know it, I believe). This scenario means more C.C. slave mode and Rollo finally dying.

On the Suzaku topic... I don't really blame him for the explosion. It was one of those things they (Lelouch or Suzaku) had no control over. The one to be blamed should be Nina (who created the damn thing) and Schneizel (for planning it to result the way it did). I think Suzaku also explained the "live" command to Schneizel, so he knew that if defeat was imminent, Suzaku would have no choice but to shoot FLEIA. This part is just speculation, though.

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Originally Posted by shinta|hikari

C.C. will then kill Rollo since she is immune to his geass (and he does not know it, I believe). This scenario means more C.C. slave mode and Rollo finally dying.

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I'm not sure C.C. is right now up to killing anyone, even in self-defense. She's still pretty much in the slave / servant mode, which doesn't even allow her to defend herself.

Not herself. but her master who is probably the kindest person she has ever met. It only makes sense that the slave protects the master, even if she isn't inclined to do so (I believe she would want to in this case though).

EDIT: Rollo would also be completely off-guard since he believes that his geass is in effect. A nice attack from behind should be enough to incapacitate him at least, if not kill him.

Mayhaps defend her ever so kind master? Haha, I wonder how they'll play the next episode out.

In any case, if such a scene is to appear there is only one thing I hope as sincerely as I have hoped anything regarding this series: That C.C. doesn't save Lelouch by jumping between the blade and him, sacrificing her own life to save Lelouch. C.C. has been the saddest character of this series all the time and such an ending would be cruel without equal, now that she finally has a chance, no matter how slim (now that Lelouch is crumbling), to some degree of happiness.

I imagine Rollo knows that the granter of the Geass is immune to the effects. He did grow up inside one of the cult compounds after all. It would be more of a question whether C.C. is still immune to Lelouch's geass.

If I remember right from the World of C episode, her code is gone, despite Lelouch still having his Geass.

I based my speculation from how C.C. seems to be currently unaffected by Lelouch's geass even if their eyes meet. It seems that despite losing her code, C.C. is still immune to geass, but of course, we can't be sure since Lelouch never gave a blatant order (and we know how dubious the technicalities of geass are).

Having C.C. step in and take a hit is not so bad, as long as she doesn't die. It will open up enough time for Lelouch to kill Rollo with his geass, and maybe more Lelouch/C.C. interaction when she gets injured. It may even make him realize that his sister complex is not the only thing that can keep him going.

C.C. dying is the worst thing that can happen in this show, no matter how well it is done.

Yes! Karen is back! And the new Gurren, although it emits a Freedom-like aura, is still so badass.

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Just wondering, did they ever define FLEIA? In the beginning of gg's sub, they had a note that said Freya=FLEIA (cause they had been calling it Freya until that point) and then said it was some stupid Britannian Engrish acronym, but I didn't see it defined...

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FLEIA = Field Limitary Effective Implosion Armament

They might as well just named it NUKE.

The afterblast makes it look like FLEIA is actually transporting stuff elsewhere instead of destroying it, isn't it ?
Transporting, as in Teleporting it.

@Inazuma:

That's exactly why explosions with yields equivalent to nukes are so devastating.
1. Flash of heat incinerates everything in the blast radius faster than the speed of sound.
2. Shockwave at speed of sound follows outward, annihilating everything.
3. Vacuum left by the expansion of (1.) creates a secondary shockwave, going inward, destroying everything again.

I don't think Code Geass has hit over the top mecha just yet. Before Zero came in with the Black Knights, Britannia had little use for advanced technology. Of course, such a threat as Zero with Rakshata would bring the need for counter weapons. Also, it seems like the technology used in the show has already been developed and is not created on the spot as indicated by Rakshata.

Charles wasn't in the area with his flagship for no reason and if Nannaly and Sayoko are alive I'd guess he has them likely due to some sort of transporter. We have already seen several instances of teleporting tech out so I don't find it impossible with one maybe 2 codes that he was somehow able to use on atleast Nannaly,

Despite being Sunrise, I'm still going to believe Nunnaly's dead for now, since I can't see a reason how she'd escape. Ninja teleportation is wishful thinking, while if Britannia really did develop some ultra-speed craft, or an instant transmission device, it'd be either in a prototype or military service, rather than exclusively in the transport of Area 11's govener.

One person who I think died brilliantly this episode was Guilford. Though completely off the mark, he went in the most honourable way possible for a knight.

Edit: Did Todou ever get the full message, or was he left with "We can't trust Zero after all.......*dead*"?

And the best thing I loved about this episode is how Jeremiah embraced Orange-kun.

I havent been keeping count but are there any Glaston knights left?

Will Suzaku be court-martialed? After all, he killed the governor of Area 11 and who knows how many other genuine Britannian citizens. You'd think someone would press charges... And you can hardly just say it's unavoidable collateral damage under those circumstances when the crater directly emcompasses the HQ/Palace.

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Will Suzaku be court-martialed? After all, he killed the governor of Area 11 and who knows how many other genuine Britannian citizens. You'd think someone would press charges... And you can hardly just say it's unavoidable collateral damage under those circumstances when the crater directly emcompasses the HQ/Palace.

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To the emperor and Schneizel you can call it collateral damage. Suzaku has been a really effective tool against the OBK and I doubt they would do anything to get rid of him just yet.

Good episode

who would have thought that Lelouchs own command would lead to the death (well we don't know yet :P) of his so much beloved sister.

The new Gurren is also very cool (and strong!) yet it didn't feel *that* overpowered for me.. the fight between Lancelot and the Gurren was really awesome..and so was the fight between the Vampire and her... too bad that he died, because I liked his Knightmare very much. (and his liking for taking other peoples lives)

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hen Rollo finally deciding to kill (or is double suicide more likely?) Lelouch upon realizing he was being used. C.C. will then kill Rollo since she is immune to his geass (and he does not know it, I believe). This scenario means more C.C. slave mode and Rollo finally dying.

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thats _exactly_ what I thought is going to happen next episode.

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To the emperor and Schneizel you can call it collateral damage. Suzaku has been a really effective tool against the OBK and I doubt they would do anything to get rid of him just yet.

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The empire is more than just the emperor and Schneizel, though. But I guess such a thing could be skipped for more important things. And in the end it might be more interesting whether Suzaku can live on with yet another sin weighing down on his soul. After all, if he really had wanted to avoid using the weapon, he wouldn't have carried it with him, so he can't really blame anyone else this time for what happened. The next eps are going to be hard for both Suzaku and Lelouch.

I doubt Suzaku will try blaming anyone else. The recent episodes have been all about trying to make Suzaku look less irritating than he is, starting from when he got bitch slapped (the only move that did any damage in fact) by Kallen.

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The empire is more than just the emperor and Schneizel, though. But I guess such a thing could be skipped for more important things. And in the end it might be more interesting whether Suzaku can live on with yet another sin weighing down on his soul. After all, if he really had wanted to avoid using the weapon, he wouldn't have carried it with him, so he can't really blame anyone else this time for what happened. The next eps are going to be hard for both Suzaku and Lelouch.

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Um this is just wrong in this case. Suzaku is one of the Knights of the round and as such only the Emperor can actually punish him. So in this case no one else can bring up any such charges against Suzaku and it really is only about the Emperors and Schneizels opinion of the matter.

Edit: This is to address a negative rep by someone obviously to stupid to have a actual discussion around here.

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You say that as if public opinion doesn't matter to Suzaku, which it always has.

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Um what? Public opinion has mattered to Suzaku when exactly? Last I knew he was willing to do just about anything in order to secure his goals of reaching the position of Knight of One in order to take over running Japan for himself. Who's public opinion is anyone talking about here anyway?

Considering at this point Suzaku has dicked over the Japanese so many times they all already hate him I can't imagine it has anything to do with them. He's respected by other countries as a military force but last I knew he was killing virtually defenseless members of the EU in his spare time so it also can't be them.

So who are we talking about here Britannia? The only person he's attempting to impress among them is Charles in order to get a promotion. He will blame Lelouch for making him press the button because of the Geass and in turn he will take none of the blame for himself and carry on as always.

Of course he MAY somehow figure out he's a complete jackass and there is a chance he will join the Black Knights at some point considering Gurren and Lancelot are fighting side by side in the new opening but this is unlikely to be the reason for him doing that.

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Um what? Public opinion has mattered to Suzaku when exactly? Last I knew he was willing to do just about anything in order to secure his goals of reaching the position of Knight of One in order to take over running Japan for himself. Who's public opinion is anyone talking about here anyway?

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It would be weird if Suzaku doesn't care about the public opinion because that is exactly what he wants to change. He wants to change the opinions of other people and tell them that numbers are also humans and not worse than the people of Britannia.. and he does that by showing himself to others..

And if he doesn't care about the public opinion, he wouldn't hold his little secret.

I don't think that Suzaku completely ignores public opinion however he doesn't value any opinion unless it either agrees with or facilitates the expression of his own opinion. He's steeled himself to the idea that his way is the right way and anyone who disagrees with him is wrong and thus not worth listening to (including the Japanese people he seeks to govern). I don't think he hates the people who disagree with him since he claims to want to fight for them, but at the same time he doesn't seem to care about what they want or about the suffering he inflicts on them enough to alter his behavior. It's fitting that he recoiled at being compared to Lelouch because while they are in fact very similar, I think Suzaku is the worst of the two. Lelouch at least, doesn't hide behind external ideas like 'duty' or 'the rules' in order to soothe his conscious about the pain he inflicts on others.

Another big problem with Suzaku is that his goal seems at odds with his manner of trying to achieve it. He says he wants to make Britannians not look down on the Japanese as inferior, but to accomplish this goal he goes out in his Britannian God Mech and tries his best to obliterate all the Japanese people who might actually be worthy of being seen as equals by the Britannians. No one strong respects people who do nothing but cower in the face of the people stronger than themselves.

And even if that wasn't the case, Suzaku is a perfect example of a Japanese guy getting lucky within the Britannian system. He's proof that the Britannian system works just fine the way it is as he, an exceptional Eleven, managed to get to an exceptional position, within the system. Why would any Britannians want to change the system if it's been shown that it can wring a decent individual out of Japan the way it is.

Just caught up with the series. I wasn't very interested from episode 5-10 but what's happening now is very interesting. I didn't think Suzaku would fire it, but I did think it would be detonated. I definitely didn't expect Nunnally to die though(if she is dead). Seeing as Lelouch broke down when he didn't need to protect her, I wonder if he'll do the same now, or if he will switch his focus to revenge instead.

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Wow... I just had to see the episode twice...

Covenient that the OBK learn of the massacre, yet they fail to learn about WHO was massacred... Geass Users and Geass Scientists...

Anya looked uncomfortable of having FLEIJA with her.

Suzaku finally lost it...

And I do wonder what Kallen will do know... she of all remaining OBK knows Lelouch the best... and even though she seemed to haver her heart broken when Lelouch said she was a pawn... she definitely listened his words of 'Live on' and knew he lied to protect her...

Will Schneizel really give up Japan to Ogi and the rest? What will Xingke do? This deal definitely does not include China nor the rest of the World... they did not betray just Lelouch... but the rest of the World...

And wow... I never expected Rolo to die like that... makes it harder to hate him now...

Nah, I was smiling when they started up the background music, because I knew that Rolo would finally die. Still, I can't decide whether it was noble or naive of Rolo to believe that Lelouch hadn't meant all the things he said in his grief over Nunnally.

While none of it was actually false (though I do not remember the second Japanese general being Geassed, just the first who committed seppuku in the tower) Schneizel, Cornelia and the rat bastard Canon came up with one hell of a way to spin the whole thing against Zero. Several of the Black Knights that Zero might have geassed were some of the most mundane things. Viletta still doesn't seem to be making the connection that Zero didn't geass her into her relationship with Ogi, that was all her. That's part of the double-edged sword nature of geass, can't prove that you didn't tell them to do something.

At least Nina finally got a little of what's coming to her. Now she's just as bad as Zero and more importantly, she knows it.

I'm less concerned about Kallen, and more about who is going to be taking care of C.C. I was a little surprised they left her behind. I suppose Kallen is the only one equipped to do so, since she's the Black Knight who became the closest to the old version, and moreover the only one who knows that C.C. is no longer the person she once was.

Suzaku's laugh at the end was really creepy...

I was hoping that Anya would catch sight of Zero and realize he was definitely the same Lelouch, but she never did. Maybe she will when knowledge of who Zero was becomes public.

This series is reminding me more and more of King Lear, but with Lelouch somehow playing both Lear and Edgar, depending on how you view each plot twist.

this episode is sooooooooooo good
and it will get even better.... oh man.. this is made of pure win!
they even managed to make suzaku look cool and like a maniac in this ep... and rolo less of a fanatic nuisance...

really... I can't believe how awesome this is... I had *never* expected such a drastic change.
I hope Lelouch doesn't die in the end of this series... I want CC and him to live on happily ^^

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I don't believe that's quite to the point. He had absolutely nothing else so he forced himself to believe. Moreover, I think he knew he would very likely die by attempting to save Lelouch from all those forces. That's also why Lelouch behaved like he did when Rolo finally died. This way Rolo could keep on believe in what had made his life worth living (or human like he said) until he died. If he had done nothing his fate most likely would have been much more miserable: No Lelouch pretending to be his brother and not even Britannia using him as a tool. He never was psychologically a very sound person so he would have probably died in some gutter anyway soon after if there had been nobody to take care of him.

I wonder if the wars are starting to be over now. Judging by Lelouch's new interests it should get much more personal towards the end.

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they traded Japan for Zero's life... if Schneizel didn't agree with that condition, then they wouldn't look for him now...so I guess the war is over.. at least for the Black Knights

and Ogi must be somehow stupid...basically they didn't just betray Lelouch, but the whole Chinese Federation + their allies with this decision.. just for a actually pretty stupid and selfish wish... even if Japan gets liberated, Britannia could just show up again and take it again, who will hinder them? they are most likely the only world power left... that is if the Chinese Federation loses the war...

Ah...the Chinese Federation... lets see what they think about the decision of the Black Knights...

btw: I wish i would be able to watch the episodes which are left all at once... but I think I can't hold out long enough without my weekly Code Geass and CC dose,

This whole debacle will probably hit Kaguya the hardest. She's one of the leaders of the "United States" and the core of her military force just sided with the enemy to get back the only thing they cared about. It's a huge win for Schneizel, and Kaguya is left hanging. She can't accept the Japanese forces gaining Japan back because she'd be betraying the Chinese Federation and the rest of the countries. They'll also take the backbone of the military forces with them, crippling her negotiating position.

I loved the peotic side of the episode title. The Black Knights are "betrayed" by Zero, while the Japanese side (led by the Ogi and Todo) betrays the "United States," and even Nina realizing she betrayed Euphemia's ideals.

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Its breaking my " Fucking-O-Great O Meter" but now, it's just about Dad vs. "The Nothing to lose Lelouch"

Yeesh, the black knights are easily manipulated by everyone.

Feel kinda sad for Lelouch, he is truly alone now. No C.C., no Kallen, and even no Rolo.

So what's going to happen to C.C? She'll be too afraid to talk to anyone but Lelouch.

An actually decent episode for once. Could have done without the shitty music at the end. Finally Rolo is dead.Now just a couple more episodes until the death of everyo- I mean, the end of the series.

You guys realize that the real life equivalent of this is George Bush, or an american general, going to the Iranian military and saying :"You leader is lying to you! here are our proofs" and that it would change absolutely NOTHING in the short to medium term. Hell, who the hells accepts that they've been manipulated for so long in such a short amount of time? Diethart and Todo are the only ones who made any sense (Todo because he was hearing what he wanted to hear). The only way such a plan could work is by sowing dissension among the knights. it would have been slow but people would have had their doubts on zero, then he might have done something weird, or Todo would have convinced them over time.

That aside, the episode was pretty cool. It set up what is to come. Now that Lelouch has truly lost his one weakness, he should be truly formidable!

I just hope Kallen would protect CC from the rest. She's the only one that knows CC lost her memories. I don't want to see the slave CC going back to the emperor..

Good episode as expected.
After all the bitching Nina did about using FLEIA and now she regrets it. I hate her lol.
Hopefully C.C. gets to Lelouch safely :).

There were many things in R2 that I found were parallels with R1, and Rolo's death is one of them. I found his one to be a lot more comparible to Euphy's death than Shirley's. Both characters died believing in a lie, complete with dark eye-shadow. Many people disliked them, but still found their deaths touching.

Like above, Lelouch has lost any objective reason to fight now, and I expect to see him off the World-Stage for a while, until Charle's plan is known by the world. Again, I see him dying dragging his father with him, saving the world simply as a side effect. C.C. narrating the ending would be fitting, though if she doesn't recover her memory, Suzaku will the next most likely.

I honestly didn't expect Nina to take it so calmly. Her psychosis was short lived, and it was somehow a little unsatisfying to see her regret her deeds rather than being tormented by it.

The Black Knights were despicably stupid in this episode, but then again, that was their prime function since the beginning of this show.

I hated Kallen for doubting Lelouch even for a moment when he told the most obvious lie ever in code geass history (with the Rollo one as a close second).

I am still hoping for a bittersweet ending. If it ends in tragedy, it would be too sad and pointless. If Lelouch dies in the end, then all the show was about is his struggle, defeat, suffering, then finally death with nothing accomplished.

I think C.C. has to regain her memories. She has had too little screen time for R2, and that does not make sense since she is one of the most popular female characters in anime fandom at present. With her being a liability like this, screen time possibilities for her are severely hampered.

All i have to say:

WHAT AN ASSHOLE ARE YOU; OUGI!

Sigh, this guy was a little wanna-be-terrorist, and wouldnt have achieved anything at all without Zero´s help. And now he´s acting all that highly....i cant sigh enough.

Also, everyone abandoning Zero is just stupid. So what, he´s a Britannian...so what, he has Geass.....still, he did anything to free Area 11. What a bunch of idiots. And there CANT even be forgiveness, because if it wasnt for Rolo, all the others, be it Karen, Ougi, Todou, and so on, would have let Lelouch killed. Basically, they murdered him.

Now that Nunnally is dead (and i hope she´s really dead), there are like 2 options to go, and i hope it´s not the "now all i can do is take down my father"-option, but the "everyone betrayed me. if they want to take ME down, then i´ll try everything to take down the whole world!"-crazy-option.

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Now that Nunnally is dead (and i hope she´s really dead), there are like 2 options to go, and i hope it´s not the "now all i can do is take down my father"-option, but the "everyone betrayed me. if they want to take ME down, then i´ll try everything to take down the whole world!"-crazy-option.

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I rather hope it would be the first choice. If it's the latter, then basically the Black Knights were right to try to remove such a loose cannon. Despite some dirty deeds Lelouch was fighting for a better world for Nunnally to live in. A world where might does not make right. So, he would betray himself if he now started a war against the whole world simply because he lost the trust of his former allies.

What comes to the BK their reaction surely was vastly over the top but on the other hand if you keep in mind they were originally people fighting against everything British in Japan and had experienced many times first hand the dirty plots and atrocities of the British rulers in Area 11 so it does make sense they would feel deeply betrayed by having been serving a British prince all this time. Plus they were stupid enough to listen to another British prince, which makes their reaction a bit more believable as well. Tools to the core.

C.C.'s position now is indeed troublesome. She must have some role still to play or having kept her hanging around like this would make absolutely no sense. Who knows, maybe Lelouch will now go down fast hunting his father and at some crucial point C.C. will save him with words and intentions reflecting those of Lelouch's own when he made C.C. decide to keep living during the encounter with Charles.

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you all know you want it to happen.

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I rather hope it would be the first choice. If it's the latter, then basically the Black Knights were right to try to remove such a loose cannon. Despite some dirty deeds Lelouch was fighting for a better world for Nunnally to live in. A world where might does not make right. So, he would betray himself if he now started a war against the whole world simply because he lost the trust of his former allies.

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Well, the first choice would be typical thing to do.
I guess you liked the ending of Death Note, too, eh? :P

Something I did not get the chance to discuss last episode (obvious reasons) is how come Anya reacted to Lelouch this time? Hope this will be covered next episode.

Kallen's heart broke when Lelouch said those words, and she immediately regretted doubting him when she heard his words to 'live on'.

Lelouch only has CC and Kallen left... yet both are with the OBK... I expect them to leave them... specially when the implication of the OBK's betrayal against the United Nations gets known.

I like how they all believed Schneizel's half-truths and were so set on not trusting Zero as they should.

Great curveball they threw at us... now there's no telling which direction the series will go in! This is the most excited I've been for a new episode of Code Geass in a while.

I know, right?

All that's left to happen is for Lelouch to become a ninja and assainate his father.

Not sure if anyone picked up on this, but the things Lelouche says at the end of the episode for the next preview says [Eclipse translation]:

"Rolo, what exactly was my relationship with you?
I always realize things in hindsight.
You weren't the brother of Lelouch vi Britannia,
but the brother of Lelouch Lamperogue
Right?"

One can say Lelouch had a change of heart when Rolo died. When Lelouch left Britannia, he threw away his title and started living in Japan as Lelouch Lamperogue, an alias everyone there had known him for. The life he treasures more between his three identities was that of Lelouch Lamperogue. So if Lelouch were to consider Rolo a brother of as a Lamperogue, he would have treasured Rolo just as much as Nunally. It's all thanks to Rolo that Lelouch is able to carry on his goal with the utmost highest priority right now - to take revenge on Charles. In comparison between Nunally and Rolo, one can say that Lelouch was creating a new world for Nunally, but now that she's dead, Lelouch is destroying the current one for Rolo - just as said before in season one (where he said he'll destroy the world and recreate it again). There's also the fact that Rolo has actually had less interaction time with Lelouch, but unlike Lelouch's top-staff, Rolo stuck with him until the end.

I don't see why some people tend to speculate that Shirley's death was much more sympathetic than Rolo's, as he had a very pitiful life in the story - he had no real family, he was raised in the Geass cult, and was born to be an assassin, all the while with his conscience and psychological condition deteriorating. Shirley, shown to be that of a passive citizen caught between the personal lives of Lelouch and Suzaku actually lived a fairly normal life, but died because she got too close to Lelouch - even though she knew he was Zero.

Also, did anyone notice this?

09:46: "Lelouch vi Britannia, the man that I most loved and feared the most".

That just shows how much of a badass Lelouch was when he was little.

My predictions on the next episode (although it will be way-off) will be that Zero's identity is revealed and that the media Diethardt will reveal that Zero has died, Gino will take opposition against Britannia when he finds out more about the FLEIA warhead being used, Anya will realize that Zero is actually Lelouch and defects from Britannia, meaning both Gino and Anya will join Lelouch. Jeremiah will be forced to un-Geass people they suspect to be Geass'd, and that Charles is going to "destroy the Gods" by opening the elevator, and Suzaku will be promoted, but then quits to work with Lelouch.

Oh, and then Anya is revealed to be Lelouch's half-sister in which Marianne cheats with Charles (hence, the "everyone's a liar, brother" quote) with a German guy, so she is punished by Charles by being geass'd.

Predictions! I'll play along with a rebuttal/agreement of my own.

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While we can all see Diethard saying Zero died, I think the only people that are going to find out about his identity are member of the Black Knights who were not present for the assassination attempt or the conference with Schniezel/Cordelia and the rest of the high ranking Britannian military (including Anya).

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Somehow, I'm thinking the scene with Gino has more to do with his conversations with Kallen and the military attempting to purge any dissidents and those who have had contact with Lelouch, as Gino has at school. Much like the Purists' attempts to kill Jeremiah after Zero called him "Orange." Here, they would not be able to be sure of anyone who has had contact with Zero, and since Gino joined the student council, he's at a much higher risk.

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Anya will realize that Zero is actually Lelouch and defects from Britannia, meaning both Gino and Anya will join Lelouch. Jeremiah will be forced to un-Geass people they suspect to be Geass'd, and that Charles is going to "destroy the Gods" by opening the elevator, and Suzaku will be promoted, but then quits to work with Lelouch.

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I'll address Anya below, but I don't see anything like that happening with Suzaku. "Charuru" might reveal his plan soon though. Orange-kun might use it on Cornelia and maybe Viletta and the others who are sure they have been Geassed, but his loyalty has apparently always been the royal family, particularlly Marianne's branch of the family. He might side with Cornelia, who also had great respect for her, but it's more likely that Orange-kun would seek out Lelouch.

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Oh, and then Anya is revealed to be Lelouch's half-sister in which Marianne cheats with Charles (hence, the "everyone's a liar, brother" quote) with a German guy, so she is punished by Charles by being geass'd.

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While being another of his sister's is possible, though one would think Lelouch would notice Marianne being pregnant around the same time as Nunnally (as Anya wears a middle school uniform)....unless they are twins. Anya's hair is pink, but it seems like the same fluffy style Nunnally's is. Or maybe they are only fraternal twins. As with your "half-sister" guess, that might explain the odd connection Anya seems to have to young-prince Lelouch. That's my wild guess about Anya. She's probably totally adopted. That said, I don't think she will join Lelouch right away, but a large chunk of the mystery around her had better be revealed soon.

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Oh, and Kallen will become C.C.'s "first friend" and when C.C. says that to her, Kallen will blush.

Okay, that's it for the future reading, now I need you guys for some clarification.

When Rolo takes Lelouch away he uses the Shinkirou to shoot at the OBK mothership and it blows up, but inside that mothership is both Kallen and CC.

Thoughs ?

Im still hoping for a season 3, theres still a lot of back story they havent talked about yet, but then again they can always take care of that in OVAs -.-

It's a different ship than the OBK mothership.

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Assuming you are talking about the ship that explodes just before Rollo dies.

Cornelia noooo

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Cornelia better not go back to the royal look. Fantasies would be ruined.

Wtf did Nina think FLEIA would do? Explode with a bunch of confetti?

I believe her masterful idea was that all the Black Knights would group together above ocean well away from the city and kindly wait there to be annihilated with FLEIA.

She was blinded by over excitement and vengeance when her test succeeded and forced Suzaku to carry this "ultimate weapon". Meanwhile, Suzaku only carried it with him as a negotiation tool and never intended to use it.

It's Japanese's way of showing how wrong using a nuke is. Nina is representative of the ones responsible for creating it, while directing us all to think "Yeah, should have thought of that before you built the bomb."

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It's a different ship than the OBK mothership.

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Assuming you are talking about the ship that explodes just before Rollo dies.

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My bad, thought it was the OBK Flagship.

Guys... despite GG's rant of bad romanization of 'Freya' as 'FLEIA' they got it wrong as well.Rewatch episode 18... its clearly FLEIJA.

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Anyway... I won't make predictions because I found some spoilers that... if true... would make the series even more awesome, and instead of speculating I prefer to wait if they are true in several episodes.

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Guys... despite GG's rant of bad romanization of 'Freya' as 'FLEIA' they got it wrong as well.Rewatch episode 18... its clearly FLEIJA.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...0819091018.jpg

Anyway... I won't make predictions because I found some spoilers that... if true... would make the series even more awesome, and instead of speculating I prefer to wait if they are true in several episodes.

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If they're speculation, then they're not spoilers then are they? But don't tell us. I'll wait quietly while for the next ep your words echoing in my head

If it's really supposed to be FLEIJA then the expansion of the acronym right under it is missing the J term. From what I can make out and recall it stands for Field Limitary Effective Implosion Armament. I see no J in this.

I would guess that they wanted to use the Norse mythology surrounding Freya so they had to create an acronym for it, but since Japanese people suck at European languages the best they could do was FLEIA.

I found some interesting info about the process of the FLEIA detonation.

1. Sakuradite Explosion
2. Nuclear Fission
3. Folkvangr Field Creation
4. Sessrumnir Sphere Expansion
5. Sessrumnir Sphere Reduction and Vanished (Space Transfer)

Folkvangr - Wiki
This was the name of the land where Freya's house was

Sessrúmnir - Wiki
This was the name of Freya's house. Apparently this is where civilians who die in battle (Do we know any of those?) go.

With all Charles's talk about the world of the Gods I would not at all be surprised if Nunnally, Sayako, and the rest were not actually be dead instead got transported to some kind of magical holding cell (probably on Jupiter). Their bodies may have been physically destroyed, but I can certainly see Lelouch getting to have one last convo with Nunally or maybe even his Mom thorough some sort of magical hax medium loosely drawn from mythology. Only time will tell.

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If it's really supposed to be FLEIJA then the expansion of the acronym right under it is missing the J term. From what I can make out and recall it stands for Field Limitary Effective Implosion Armament. I see no J in this.

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Well... I dunno about the translation... but the screenshot from episode 18 shows the J... error on part of the animation studio then?

Field Limitary Effective Implosion Armament is what stands directly beneath "F.L.E.I.J.A"

the J doesn't mean a think, my guess is that they wanted it to sound more like "Freyja" because thats what that goddess was called back then...

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Field Limitary Effective Implosion Armament is what stands directly beneath "F.L.E.I.J.A"

the J doesn't mean a think, my guess is that they wanted it to sound more like "Freyja" because thats what that goddess was called back then...

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Actually the Nordic goddess was called Freja, but who cares, right? Odin is Oden, Thor is Tor... Could everyone who thinks they know something about nordic mythology stop with their halfassed info?