S5 E1:
Well, it's not like I expected anything else than that.
But at least we got to see something cool at the end.
The blue-fire dude from that villain group is a badass.
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S5 E1:
Well, it's not like I expected anything else than that.
But at least we got to see something cool at the end.
The blue-fire dude from that villain group is a badass.
Why are we in season 50300302 and still need to watch these characters receive school lesson? :/
Sigh, I wish I could just drop this series, but somehow I'm incapable of it, like a gambler who's lost too much money and thinks he can win it back if he just keeps playing. Like that ever works out ;>
Hoping that the story gets going quickly.
My Hero AcademiaQuote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Watching them do school is more fun than them fighting yakuza.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I liked the "tournament" stuff. But the usual school-drills are pretty boring in comparison. I liked the yakuza arc, because it features actual heroes and proper villains that are actual out to kill/destroy and not to play-pretend.
i mean, it's hilariously bizarre:
In other anime, kids go save the world in their lower teen years. Here the heroes are supposedly adult (lol) and still go to school in season 606050040.
What's really bad, however, ist that they already fought the most dangerous villains - what's left to learn at school? Learning about rules etc. shouldn't take long, and combat ability improves during your work as a hero and your spare time. So, literally, what's the purpose of going to school for so many years?
What gave you that impression?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
i recently did an article on "sexualized underage anime girl" and researched Boku Hero-girls for that, too. They started out as younger, ca. 15-16, but should be 18+ by now, unless time is crawl in-anime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
What? AFAIK These guys haven't even completed a single year at their school. They're still "1st years".
WTFQuote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
random lettters due to short posting
How's that surprising? They entered the academy, had a tournament thing then the school carnival. They haven't been promoted to 2nd years yet, nor had ad a repeat tournament/carnival, and the Third Years that had been introduced are still current Third Years.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Not that much time has passed, and the characters all look the same. I don't know why you think 3 years has passed for these guys.
5 seasons and not one year having passed is just a crawl imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
But then so my point remains: These characters already have gone through fighting the most dangerous villains. They shouldn't be spending their time encased in a cozy educational facility.
I don't know why you associate seasons with years or something like that.
If a fight or "situation" lasts for 5 episodes we have to wait 1-2 months, for the characters however, that took place in more or less 3 hours.
They are learning to be heroes and the show is about exactly that.
Like.. it's what the show is supposed to be about.
It's not about what happens after school ends and if they go to college or not.
From Deku being accepted to UA to the Overhaul arc - a timespan of ~6 months seems likely.
edit: doesn't the sign still say 1-A(?)
The cultural festival wasn't that long ago either (post Overhaul arc). That's usually in October or something.
...didn't Naruto go through ~135 episodes (+100 filler) before its time skip? Seasonal airing can throw perception off, but yes, they are still first years.
Dragging someone out of a burning building does not make you a firefighter, and shooting someone to deter a crime does not make you a police officer. These are students enrolled in an academy to learn to dispense law enforcement and crisis mitigation on behalf of the government essentially as contractors with the benefits and responsibilities of sworn police officers. Last season we saw how a capable power user, Gentleman, was disqualified from becoming a hero due to demonstrating poor judgement that lead to catastrophe. These courses are to train them on more than simply punching bad guys. Remember how in season one (and three) they were training specifically on how to perform rescue operations in varying terrain? They do plenty of on job training as-is with the constant work study and provisional licenses. Working in city government, I can tell you that even tenured police and fire employees attend regular training for refreshment and introduction to the newest techniques- so further classroom study on law they are meant to enforce and techniques they are expected to abide by is more than reasonable.
It is the world building like this that wins a pass from me on some of MhA's other weaker elements. I like the more realistic take on the logistics of legislating a super human world. The show has said as much, in that law cannot really keep up with all of the new supernatural ways to subvert it, and heroes really fight an uphill battle. Rules of engagement only burden one side. It makes the idea of a 'symbol of peace' more poignant as I look back on it, and less sentimental... and I feel like I've had this conversation a few years back..
About the episode itself, I appreciate that they took the opportunity to tell me for the fifth time that Mineta's quirk is called 'pop-off', but who is seriously just now starting to watch this in the fifth season? I kid, I know there is no shortage of new blood each season who won't go back to catch up, but I certainly am anxious to get to more canon material!
Hawks is playing the double/triple agent, huh?
I guess what threw me off is the combination of them having fought the most dangerous criminals several times by now, yet still going to school, which just doesnt make sense to me. Had they clashed with minor criminals and maybe a middle-dangerous villain for the finale, that would have been okay. But no, they literally fought the MOST dangerous villains in season 1 and then again in every following season. To help make you understand: Imagine an isekai anime that starts out with the hero party fighting arch demons and elder dragons - only to spend most of its time at an adventurers' academy where they teach the same hero party how to properly fight slimes and bunnies. That's what BokuHero feels to me.
And mixing it with my watching of other series that do the whole "one year per season" thing, although I can't think of which series I'd be thinking of here rn. Was it an anime or us show? Not sure.
They didn't really fight them/him. They were just there and pretty much bystanders.
At best, they were able to do a one-trick suprise attack that didn't really end up doing much.
The only criminal they had to face for real was Stain and then later Overhaul.
And even then, when fighting latter, that wasn't just Deku's power either and involved Nighteye and Lemillion etc.
And honestly, villains like Himiko Toga seem like "Villains in training" to me. Hell, even the main villain is basically a villain in training and formed into one proper by "all for one" a few seasons in.
Either way. There is basically no one in Deku's group who has a clue when it comes to gathering information or hunting villains.
They only react to what they see. The wouldn't really be able to be detectives as Nighteye.
They spent 17 episodes on a police raid that took place during one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
And also, like, EVERY shounen anime does this.
Hell, One Piece has been going for, over 20 years now. And they're still only, like, 2 years into the story. And that's with a 2 year SKIP.
This shit ain't Harry Potter where the story and the releases progress in real-time...
But they didn't BEAT the most dangerous villains. The grownups mostly do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
This is the story about how Deku became "the greatest hero". Deku didn't beat All For One, All Might did.
Also, it's worth noting that most of the "most dangerous villains" are ALSO a bunch of teenagers. And the ones they HAVEN'T beaten, are the ones that are going to end up leveling up just as much as the hero kids as they get older.
Edit: Most of that was already said by Kray.
To its detriment, I would say, the power scaling is almost non-existent in Boku no Hero. Bounties, chakras, Nen or what have you exist (or rather persist) for a reason in shounen series. Without some baseline 'power' or 'strength' measurement, the fights are relegated to pure ability dynamics that can be hard to follow, and have also led to quite a bit of discussion and criticism in this very thread (like why going through concrete doesn't kill a person automatically when their quirk has nothing to do with body strengthening- because a baseline of quasi superhuman bodily 'strength' has to be assumed since the story does not provide one).
I don't know if the author sidestepped that shounen staple on purpose or what, but the result has certainly changed the... texture of how conflict battle can be resolved in HeroAca. On the one hand, clever power usage means you can pull underdog victories out of tactics and environment alone; Hunter x Hunter exceled at this. The downside to this approach is that you, as the writer, have to be at least slightly more clever than whatever your audience comes up with for power application or they will begin to second guess you and the characters(also can be seen in this very thread). Anchored power values streamline this process and bake in some wiggle room for matchups.
I mention this (which is news no nobody here) to juxtapose that the villains we have been exposed to in MhA aren't necessarily the de facto most dangerous ones, as that is purely decided by the usage of ability. I would personally be the most afraid of the mind control kid from season 2- he is basically Kira if he wants to be, or Mirio when he could permeate. Horikoshi, the author, no doubt takes some inspiration from western comics in crafting his superhero tale, but that format of storytelling is very much not traditional shounen in structure, so compromises were clearly made. Weekly Shounen Jump isn't interested in Peter Parker being Spider Man; it's interested in his training arc with Uncle Ben before he gets killed off in the 'late for dinner' arc...
We simply are expected to take at face value who is the most dangerous villain according to the story, but we aren't given self evident reasons to believe it.
good posting, agreed muchQuote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
Those are completely different things. Nen and Chakra is a power system, like DB's "Ki". Bounties are an arbitrary power measurement, like DB's "power level".Quote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
They're dangerous because they're targeting our kids or threatening world order.Quote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
I don't quite understand where this is comming from.Quote:
We simply are expected to take at face value who is the most dangerous villain according to the story, but we aren't given self evident reasons to believe it.
Obviously All for One is the strongest and most dangerous villain.
He can basically own every single ability and thus has always an answer to someone he goes against.
Other than that, we aren't really told who is the strongest or most dangerous villain in this show.
The rest are just villains who have the criminal energy to be a villain. It doesn't matter how dangerous they are compared to someone else. It was never truely about the ability potential. It has always been about what the individual achieved with their ability and how he used it and what he wanted to do with it.
Stain for example killed a lot of heroes with his ability. Thus he is a dangerous individual because he uses his quirk to kill heroes/people.
That's it.
The same goes for Overhaul.
He is elusive and cunning and it was more about him staying in the "legal" area and the heroes had to find some dirt, so they could invade his hideout.
His ability wasn't what was dangerous, te technology he achieved by torturing the small girl is what made him a potential threat to all heroes and people in general.
And we've seen what that technology did. We have multiple heroes that are now without any powers. Including Lemillion.
I never felt like that the story told me "you have to fear this guy because he is super powerful" - aside from All for One of course.
The Villain group, in my eyes, isn't even actually truely powerful. As mentioned earlier Toga seems to be average at best and the whole group itself more like a "villain-training-group". The opposite of UA, so to say.
They are different, but they serve as forms of measurement. Arbitrary or not, they can be compared to provide a frame of reference in a given matchup. Who had more 'Nen' capacity in Netero Vs. King Ant in the Chimera arc? We knew going in which side could brute force and which had to be more tactical about it because it was clearly communicated to us beforehand, and I would argue made the fight richer. You could do lots of weird things with nen, but there being a quantity of it is such a handy tool for the audience's benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Tools like jobbing and quantifiable power systems are useful to set the tone and guide expectations of the audience. In MhA, often enough I am left to decipher the likelihood of victory solely on other metrics like 'who is going to around in this story longer', or 'who is important to the narrative?' which are not engaging ways to predict the outcome of a fight.
That is correct, long and short. I get lost in the weeds because I'm trying to view them (the villain progression) through the shounen lens. I meant to say that I'm not convinced on an individualistic level that these villains are particularly threatening. Characters acting that way are certainly a dangerous element that society should not bear. My confusion stems from being unable to place their relative capability. Due to the nature of quirks in MhA, it feels like it wouldn't take much to simply 'introduce' another enemy with the same or greater danger. Since so many people are running around with powers, all it takes is for the author to decide that a random person has a super powerful quirk and we have a new arc. That is true of any work of fiction, and I trust the author to not simply go hog wild, but since there is no rarity or understood limits on quirks conceptually, the possibility is always looming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Good points. Allow me to revise my original statement. Aside from AfO, the rest of the villains seem like random people who happen to have criminal intent (as you mentioned, it's what you do with your ability). That isn't bad inherently, and makes the show more 'realistic', if anything, as that is how the real life criminal element acts. My disconnect is that these villains are propped up with entire arcs of events and they feel like 'drops in the bucket' of what could happen to the superhero society if people begin to riot or act up en mass. The (villain) abilities are even impressive, but the world building hasn't suggested that there aren't tons more people with even more broken powers that should be more worrisome.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
My problem is that I am measuring this by traditional shounen standards when this is less and less a traditional shounen story- that is good because not everything needs to rehash the same story arc. I'm just still adjusting (5 years in).
*shrug* I guess. But it's hardly necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
Quirks are basically like Stands. You can't measure them, and it's all in how you use them.
I wanted to point out:Quote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
Isn't something like a "bounty" what you critized? The story tells you who the bad guy is, but you never actually see why.
"He has the highest bounty, thus he is the biggest chad in town."
Quirks are what abilities or techniques are in Naruto imho.
You can measure Chakra all fine and well, but Naruto with unlimited Chakra was overall a pretty shitty combatant early on.
Assuming the double negatives here are intended, this sentence reads thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Netflight
".. the would building has suggested that there are tons more people ... should be more worrisome."
Any hero that is strong could potentially decide to fuck up society and become worrisome. This show hasn't been second guessing any established heroes yet.. so..
..No the world building hasn't suggested strong people should be worrisome?
If they did, you'd have someone in the government being Batman and developing contingency plans for everyone.
Well, Endeavor was painted as being pretty problematic. But he's been getting better, rather than worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
I see what you mean. My wording could use some improvement. The distinction I would like the show to make is how the randos the cast have gone up against so far measure up against the heroes, like the top ten they bothered to rate at the end of last season. I understand that doing so arbitrarily would be wonky at best, and is one of the silliest tropes of shounen story telling ("X is roughly equivalent to Y", said a bystander). Also, because of how abilities are unquantifiable, direct comparisons are nearly impossible anyway. It is my unreasonable desire as a lover of such things from series past, nothing more. It wouldn't even fit the storytelling here; nothing is that tidy, and that is a good thing that I'm not fully used to.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Bounties and power levels and so on are more, to me, tools to set general competency expectations. If someone has a ridiculous bounty, that suggests that they are capable of and have indeed committed assorted criminal activity to justify it and that government agents to a certain degree (the bounty) have failed to subdue them. There is always wiggle room in those measurements (like your Naruto example), but they are still a comfort to me.
To get into a more detailed example, Overhaul had a pretty decent arc last season. He was a Yakuza boss with a pretty neat power. How does his individual 'strength' compare to high school heroes and pro heroes from the onset? No idea. No fight record and no jobbing. Leading up to the confrontation with him, I had no clue how to gauge his ability until the actual fight, other than what I could glean from him being 'the boss'. Due diligence was done in the meeting with Sigaraki, and he was menacing, but when it came time for the big fight, I had no idea what tactics or strategies were being used. I didn't know the limits or ranges of his reconstitution ability, and if I had, it would have probably slowed the fight to a crawl with exposition. Rule of Cool was how that played out. Which is fine- a jolly good fight, but not one that I remember much detail about other than the OST and sakuga. This concept is, as I'm sure you have noticed by now, hard for me to put into words.
It is personal preference, but I want a ballpark estimate of who should be at an advantage in a fight going into it. That's my minor hangup. Boku does actually provide it somewhat with the rest of its world building. Shame on me making it sound like a big deal when it really isn't, and thanks for calling me out on it.
Just this episode, Hawks has been seen cavorting with Dabi, so something is clearly going on there, as far as hero second guessing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Sorry for the roundabout prose. My intent is to say that I think the potential for limitless threats is an unfortunate feature of Boku's setting. In other shounen series, fighters are typically a subset of the population separated by some training or innate ability- a limited talent pool to draw from. When 80% of the population could conceivably have nuke grade powers with little 'counter play', I wonder how the world hasn't collapsed on itself, which is a mild distraction, but that was addressed in episode one, season one- heroes keep that from happening, and that is perfectly fine for this story.
I figure that if a low budget youtuber like Gentleman can somewhat push Midoria in a fight, or social media creepers like Toko can become acolytes of Shigaraki and take down pro heroes (lock hero), the capability of randos is already plenty dangerous. That's not counting whatever new 'threats' will pop up at the grocery store, or wherever. Its a feature, not a bug; I'm just treating it like one
I always thought Stain was a twisted version of a teenage mutant ninja batman, though of course not for these reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if there was somebody keeping an eye on heroes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
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I get the feeling that the last season maybe should have ended one episode earlier. Because we're clearly continuing from the events of that one episode as though it was actually the start of a new arc...
I don't fully recall the last episode of the previous season.
But I kinda remember that it left the feeling of "the heroes will work together to fill the hole "One for All" left behind... and I think that's only possible because it ended at the point it did.
Ending it earlier would mean that it would've remained uncertain, but I think the idea was to leave us with a different "feeling".
The last episode ended fine. Just watching it again is enough of a reminder.
It was Endeavor's fight with Nomu, which this episode was a direct continuation of.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Ya that's what I remember, and it ended in a way that made Endeavor and the other heroes look like they could pick up the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
And I believe that's how the season was supposed to end, even if the arc itself is still ongoing.
Gotta love the fact that they bothered to re-introduce everyone from the main cast and all their abilities but not that one guy who had one appearence during the school-tournament.
I have no idea why he used that other guy's voice to brainwash.
Probably because that other guy is the beast tamer/master. Silly idea I got reading your question, but why not for a guy who gets all the beast attributes to have a tamer/master.
Or at least a partner he gets better results with. For a brainwasher, using a significant other voice probably helps a lot.
You get brainwashed by him if you answer his question/statement/taunt.
Enemies that know of this naturally would avoid answering if asked, so the dude changes his voice to trick you.
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I'll reassert that Boku no Hero does group battles probably better than any other shounen. Tactics, mind games, and clever usage of powers were just what I expected.
As an aside rant, one thing that always bothered by about Fairy Tale was how it constantly bloated its cast and then spent more and more time trying to give them all some screen time. Like scraps for those character's fans; dug its own grave with that. MHA is content with giving side characters a spotlight and then simply allowing them to disappear until they are needed in the story again. Class B hasn't been shoehorned into the series more because it's really not about them, and I would like to call out the restraint in that.
To be fair, Dragon Ball and Naruto do that, only with way fewer characters.Quote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
Like Shino or Lee? Fuck you. Like anyone except Goku and Vegeta? Double fuck you!
That episode was dope! Amazingly fun.
It's so much better than the average power vs power theme most shounen fights/shows have.
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Good ol' shounen spirit with a side of chunni *chef's kiss*. Is hawks genuenely interested in raising another hero, or is he a triple agent?
I'm sure it has been scrutinized to death already, but apparently dark shadow did not levitate due to his cord attached to Tokoyami serving as an appendage and supporting weight, but because the darkness itself is weightless or apparently anti-gravity, and the teather is keeping it from floating off... This power property doesn't make much sense, but it looks neat. I like when a character learns an entirely new application of their power, even if it really shouldn't have been explained.
Kendo has always had one of the more cute character designs. But that quirk- I don't even know how she got into the hero course with a quirk like that, and still says Yao still has better grades than her. I wonder what her advantage is?
Mushrooms. Just mushrooms. I wonder how big the board with hero powers is that Horikoshi throws darts onto to decide who gets what?
She might just be an incredibly competent fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
But yeah, her quirk sucks.
Or because fighting isn't all that is needed to be a hero.
Kendo is the big hand-girl, right?
Pretty sure she can use her hands to get rubble out of the way, dig victims up, or just grip villains and hold them in place.
It's just logical to assume that she gets enhanced strength when she enlarges her hands proportional to the size of them.
Otherwise the weigth of her hands would make it impossible for her to move around.
Imagine yourself getting into this:
https://i.imgur.com/gczxQLy.png
There are certainly some superpowers that are completely useless against that. And imagine getting bonked by that.
I mean, it's not any worse that the A1 guy whose power is "Tail".
Dont' forget Tape and Grape. Acid also is a little limited. Invisible girl too with flash bomb. Like, how did she even take down any robots anyway during the exam. Kendo's doing fine compared to all that.
Dark Shadow's is weird so I would just leave it at that. Cloaking the DS to improve its ability seems to be required, and you'd just have to give it the benefit of doubt that Dark Shadow would just fly from its tether and can't lift anything up with it.
Ep 94
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I was about to say... damn fungus has no killing power, but she just turns into a bioweapon. That escalated quickly.
This anime is so bad and I cannot stop :/
I want to punch that dumb mushroom girl in the face everytime she does her orgasm-tongue out face :/
And Yoyoraorru's "genius idea" that everyone praised as genius ... was the most low-iq, dumb idea ever. Oh, people need to see in the dark, so i send them a thermal visor - GENIUS!!11 :/
I give her points for knowing how to make thermal goggles from scratch though.
This is the risk that pure ability-based fight dynamics constantly run with- how the characters use a plethora of powers likely won't match up with out we'd use them, and that makes us frustrated because we tend to think ourselves pretty clever, yet somehow teenagers (written for children) should be at least as quick witted as us.
I've decided that commentating on the metatextual elements like what shounen is and who it's for aren't really enriching the conversation anymore- we've all agreed to disagree on how appropriate the student's decisions are, so I'll leave it finally to rest.
The fight had some fun turns and mushrooms can be pretty deadly I suppose, if they end up blocking your wind pipe. Aoyama was thoroughly useless, as expected, and Yaomomo got to show off a bit of growth. All in all, a good battle for side characters.
I was disappointed the mushrooms didn't give us a better idea of Invisible Girl's figure...
Well, we also have a lot more time to think. Even just between the watching, and the posting here.Quote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
That said, we have LESS time to think about it than the writer. So it can be frustrating when it seems like we put more thought in it than they did.
Btw invisible girl is running around naked, right?
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I believe so. They joked about how cold she is now that it's winter.
I can sort of hear it, but what exactly is horn girl's speech impediment/quirk (no pun intended)? Is she speaking broken English or just slurring greatly?
Did they dig Yutaka Nakamura out of his Bones dungeon to animate the Ingenium scenes? They contrast actually too starkly with the regular animation- it looks like a different show.
The pacing during these battles isn't great, but at least there's a theoretical time limit to enable stalemates.
She's just speaking (heavily accented)English.Quote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
That's SAKUGA, baby!Quote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
So, Bakugo's team fight strategy - "save me when I'm in trouble, and I'll save you when you're in trouble"... Apparently being a pro hero means 'quickplay causal'. I forgot he refers to everybody by some reductive moniker. Too bad that Buggy's kid endured some major jobbing duties this ep. I bet she could be pretty strong if she can essentially regenerate the slivers of her body that don't come back. Would be useful for search and rescue or hazmat.
Buggy? As in the lizard woman who splits her body?
Regenerating body parts is specifically her thing. She did that until she got tired then had the remaining ones return instead to save energy instead. Sero predicted that so planted a nade.
As in, the girl with the same power as Buggy from One Piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
episode 10 s5:
1.) If acid girl's acid actually hit anyone, that person would die. Dumb power to use in battle as a hero.
2.) Shinso saved Deku, Deku's team should have given up afterwards, it's unfair how Shinso is now exposed.
3.) But what I really had to say: Giving Deku all these secret quirks is a total copout. The series premise is "guy without ability receives ability from hero". Now the "guy without ability" will have 6-7 abilities of totally different nature. So far, all of Deku's moves were strenth-based. But now he's got an energy whip? Aha. Really don't like that.
While I agree, that shit should end the match, it seems like everyone, including Shinso, want to continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I love it. OFA was described as a power that let's you pass on power to others. So for a long time I was like "Shouldn't that include Quirks? Or was every previous user Quirkless?" Now it's like "No, it totally can. We just haven't done it before." Plus, Deku's power was getting stale.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I will say though, I don't like all the "It's not time yet", "the time is now" stuff. Makes Deku seem like some kinda prophesized chosen one, which always completely undermines a can-do, never-give-up protags. It happened in Naruto, it's maybe happening in One Piece, and now it's happening here.
I see the new power thing as necessary, because the story doesn't really get much more interesting if the only progression is seeing Deku punch a bit harder every single time.
That said, I do dislike it at the same time because now it feels like we're sidetracking instead of working on towards becoming the 2nd All Might.
Also - Chibi Uraraka <3
It still is?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
That hasn't changed in the slightest.
He got the strongest quirk aside from AFO.
The "underdog/guy without ability" theme it had in the first episode was lost the moment Deku recieved that power.
I felt cheated when Todoroki didn't Prominence Burn the hell out of metal guy, but guess we'll save it for a real villain.
The door(s) to random new power opens, and I couldn't think of a nicer guy for it to happen to. This will certainly change everything. Odd that All Might apparently never manifested any of these powers, or knew about them.
Looks like OFA is still awaiting his trial (I remember discussing the logistics of 'keeping' versus 'killing' him a dozen or so pages back).
Deku got to be Ururuaka's body pillow; aah, youth!
Smells like the extra powers were an afterthought.Quote:
Odd that All Might apparently never manifested any of these powers, or knew about them.
The vestiges stuff has been a thing since forever though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
why are you people using the word "vestiges" so much recently?! It started with Kumoko, now it's here. Pls dont :/
I call things what the subs call them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I don't think ANY of them knew you could do it, because I don't think any of them before Deku could. Hence the "now is the time" stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
Just a (too) simple idea:
-Deku was quirkless, so somehow it gives him the ability to use any quirk OFA has in store.
With that idea it was never possible before to use previous quirks because all previous OFA heroes had a quirk before OFA
Wasn't All Might also quirkless?
As I was writing, I remembered that too but I don't remember the details...
Pretty sure his body transformation was his quirk and had nothing to do with OFA. The reason All Might could use OFA so freely is because of the advantage he had with his body transformation. Not 100% positive but I think this was mentioned in S1.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
That makes so much more sense that I really wish you are right. Which means Deku can also use his body transformation.
Unfortunately, after googling this topic, it seems he was indeed originally quirkless.
How long ago was All Might's first fight against AFO? Not the second one that got the villain into Tartarus.
That one basically crippled him and he went on doing hero work even though he could only maintain his super-body-form for like 5 minutes, yet no one noticed for quite a while.
I'd say that after that, All Might couldn't possibly wield the power of OFA in any reasonable manner and thus nothing manifested.
But he recieved the power as a teenager, so I'm not sure how long it took for him to take down AFOs syndicate..
Thank you for confirmation, not sure why I had that assumption but I definitely thought it was a thing. Man I did like the multiple quirk development in the moment but now I kind of have to agree the manifest destiny bs somewhat undermines Deku's try hard attributesQuote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Nah, see, cause now he has to try hard all over again. Gotta learn these new powers from scratch.Quote:
Originally Posted by exglitch67
I think that happened five years before the start of the series. He showed Midoria the scar in episode 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Some random takeaways
Monoma pulled some weight even getting immediately subdued like the side character he is, but he was still fun to watch. As a hero, he'll be very selective about his sidekicks. Matter of fact, didn't Ururaka take down three of the five enemies this time? Without her quirk, essentially?
I'm not going to say that Mineta is like pervert Light Yagami, but the dude knows his physics, apparently...
Looks like Class B has the lion's share of manipulators- horn girl, reptile, and now ghost all have powers controlling floating somethings... Did they have any brawlers aside from TetsuTetsu and Beast man?
I like that Eraserhead explains the learning curve difference in self teaching versus being taught- not everything has to be up to 'talent'.
...and a merry Christmas to you all!
They pick the strangest places for insert songs, unless it is exclusively required for mid-season side stories, like the dance routine last season.
I like Mineta being traumatized by Mt. Lady, and her interactions with the kids. These types of mini-hero adjacent administrative activities give the other characters a chance to get some spotlight and does some decent world building outside of beating down baddies.
Do you think Endeavour's agency will count as a training arc?
Character development I think.Quote:
Do you think Endeavour's agency will count as a training arc?
103 (s5 ep15)
Looks like Sanji gets to be the next big bad, and Endeavor is as capable as ever. 100,000+ members? What is the population of Japan, is that over 1%? Why are Shigaraki's lackies at that table, too? Did I miss an arc?
Looks like we're getting a continuation of the filler arc from season 2 next ep, but I don't mind more Froppy.
No. .Quote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
Looks like that would be closer to .01%, oops.
104
Probably the weakest / least interesting filler episode to make it into MHA (I may have shook my head at the beach scene), but oh well. It looks like this might be tying into a movie, or another filer arc down the road? It's over and now we can get back to family trauma.
Another filler arc? MHA has never HAD a filler arc. There's only, like, 4 episodes of filler in the entire series.Quote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
Fair enough. I mean a filler continuation with recurring filler characters like the seal hero from this one and the one in season 2.
I think it's just an opportunity to give fans what they crave, that the manga refuses to provide...more Froppy.
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DUDE SHE ATE THE TURTLE.
Turtles are delicious.
She even gave it the chance to plead for its life in the open sea.
... I feel bad for the sister who's trying to pull the Todoroki family back together. Its painful to watch her efforts be trampled on...
I personally feel that the key is the mother. I don't even know why she's locked up to be honest. She can't go around pouring hot water on her kids anymore anyway.
Plus, recovery girl was a thing then anyway.
Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
They're not dependant kids anymore, they're stronger than her, and they can have domestic violence orders against her. She doesn't need to be in a hospital.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Todoroki momma's admission to the mental ward is probably not voluntary, and requires some sort of doctor sign off on her mental stability before she can leave.
I remember in the old movie/book "One flew over the Cuckoo's nest", where the main character is made to realize that his ploy to get sent into a mental asylum (to avoid jail) backfired because self admittance was voluntary, but being admitted was basically a lifetime sentence unless you really convince a doctor you have somehow changed your brain. That's obviously not the dynamic here, but I can fathom that there might be a whole process to get her freedom back, when she decides she wants it...
Also, it has been a discussion for a while, so I though I might try to clarify how I think Recovery Girl works, to better delineate what she can and can't heal. As I understand it, all she does is speed up your own body's recovery, so only things that would already heal, given enough time, can be healed by her quirk. Lose an eye? Not growing back, even in the hyperbolic heal chamber. Break bones or skin lesions? Can do. Scars don't really heal, so she shouldn't have an affect on boiling water's damage. That also explains why All Might couldn't be rejuvenated by her earlier in the series. Organs were missing and so on. At least, that's how I understand it working.
I can't remember exactly how recovery girl worked.
As for Japan's mental health service, I ended up skimming through this:
http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?...42016000400002
tl;dr: for various reasons, Japan still hospitalises psychiatric conditions a lot while most of the world (including Australia, where I live), it's seen as a last resort, not a preferred resort.)
Okay but...a person who is dangerous is not only a danger to her own kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Someone that pours scalding water on kids can't just be allowed to walk around freely.
I feel for her, too, but the truth is: They should have divorced after what happened. The mom should have gone to psychiatry (ok, apparently she did). The kids should have gone to a foster home or relatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
A mother pouring boiling water into her son's face.
A father clearly abusing the son.
That was not the kind of home that ever should have a chance to keep going. That they're all together again now is only because "anime".
She showed immediate remorse. She doesn't pour hot water indiscriminately, there's a clear trigger and scenario around this.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
She's not suffering from auditory, visual or commanding hallucinations either. As far as anyone's been shown, she retains insight.
To be honest, she doesn't even exhibit anything suggesting an Axis 1 disorder.
Doesn't sound to me like she is "locked up" at all.
her letter implies that she can't go outside at all because she has mental issues and is scared, not because she is forced and only allowed outside a few times a month by or something
So... why would/should they force her out of the clinic again when she is clearly not ready?
Because it's using a public resource.
I'm looking at this from the point of view of a public health service where all beds are pretty much a scarce resource, mental health beds included. If you don't need to be here, get out. Others do.
If this was a private hospital and they're paying via private insurance, then the insurance company would be on the doctor's ass regarding their progress - what's wrong with the patient, what can be achieved via staying in hospital and how long that'd take.
If this was some private place, they're paying out of pocket and she's staying because she's "scared" and wishes to live in a bubble/hotel and everyone involved is happy to pay for it - then she can continue living in a nursing-staffed hotel. Sure.
Yeah, and what if that same trigger happens when she sees a kid with red hair in the grocery store parking lot and she runs him over with her car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
I'm not really sure what kind of trigger you think would make that okay. "Well, when the get really stressed, they try and kill kids. But, c'mon, how often does THAT happen? It's probably fine."
Frankly, I don't think the 2ish minutes of screentime she's had across this series is sufficient for you to be drawing any conclusions as to her psychological profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
If the doctors say she's no longer a danger, then fine. But someone that poured scalding water on her own child was either dangerously unstable, and needed to be in psychiatric care, or she's not...and she needed to be in jail.
She ALREADY harmed a child. You don't just get to be free to walk around after that, until someone determines that whatever was wrong with you is no longer wrong with you. Lest you harm ANOTHER child.
Why do you think she is mentally stable in the first place, so that she could leave?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
I don't get your reasoning.
The show so far has shown nothing in that regard.
The opposite in fact, before episode 18. She's still extremely depressed, obviously.
Where would she even go to?
To the household that made her like this, when she is still recovering?
The source of her stress is Endeavor.
She married him, and he kept harassing her for various reasons - usually to do with producing and rearing a suitable heir.
She became to despise Endeavor, and when she sees her children she despises them as well since they remind her of him.
One time she saw that, and threw hot water over Todoroki.
She immediately apologized and tried to cool his wound with ice (rookie mistake btw, use water not ice).
We're not shown direct evidence, but it sounded like she got the shit beaten out of her by Endeavor afterwards.
She landed in a psychiatric ward and has been there for like.. 10 years.
So what's her diagnosis that lead to her actions?
I'll actually answer your previous question first about jail - yeah, she should have gone to jail here.
Mental illness (if we were to diagnose this in the first place, more on that later) doesn't excuse you from crime. What does excuse you from crime was whether or not you had insight - Do you realise that what you are doing is wrong, and are you responsible for your actions? Sounds like she's 100% responsible for them.
When insight is impaired, then you are not in fact responsible for your actions. Mental illness is one explanation for impaired insight when it fits. Dementia is another. Technically alcohol and drugs are too, but society holds you responsible for taking these things so you can't just get pissed and kill people - so unless your drinks got spiked it's still on you.
Why did she try to throw hot water on the kid anyway? Todoroki looks like she saw someone she hated and wanted to do something to them. That's not a mental illness. That's poor impulse control. She hates a certain dude, and when other people look like that certain dude she tries to hurt them.The closest thing you can maybe chalk this up to is maybe PTSD- but she despises them, not fears them.. so that doesn't actually fit. She doesn't fit the diagnostic criteria for Impulse Control Disorder either from the available evidence.
Let's say it's PTSD/ICD then. What treatment has she had thus far and how has that progressed? From what we've seen, she's seen talking to her children. She's not seen fearing them or wishing to harm them in any way from available footage. When they mention her "progress" they say she's "getting out more" or some shit.
As for "where would she go?" - parents' home, your own house if you have the means, other homeless shelters if not. Not everyone who lived at home and has an existing "stressor" there lands in hospital for 10 years.
Back to mental health recovery, not everyone is symptom free by the time they leave hospital. Patients can have chronic suicidal ideation or hallucinations that they live with long term. Those who are diagnosed with mental health conditions related to their crime can be discharged on Forensic Orders where the State enforces them to take whatever treatment is necessary as an outpatient when suitable.
To be honest, if I was non-medical, I'd probably buy the "She did something bad and seems a bit crazy, she should stay in hospital" story. That's different when you work in an Emergency department for six years and get to see which psych presentations get admitted and which don't.
It basically boils down to, 2 questions.
1. Is she still dangerous? If yes, then she should not be free, period.
2. If yes to 1, then does she control her own action? If yes, she belong in prison, if no, a psych ward.
Well either:Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
A. It's different in Japan.
B. Endeavor is pulling strings to keep her there
C. Writer don't know nuthin'