Or maybe you're having a completely different discussion than me Jose.
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Wow, this degraded so quickly.
would rewatch the Pale-Rider part anytime, I still feel very bad for him, he did nothing wrong. In fact his death was pretty dramatic if you ask me. He even went up ready to kill Death Gun in an instant just to find his heart "explode" and die in RL. One of the coolest "No-Name Character" I've seen so far, maximum badassery.Quote:
Originally Posted by lelouch
Would rewatch most of Death Gun's scenes too.
The only part worth rewatching in ALO was the fight against the Salamander Lord.
So its pretty even, however GGO has a more likeable setting imho
Sinon's Ass beats both Mary Sue and Pseudo Incest.
Too bad the ass is attached to an emo bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
GGO could use more Yui. She's a funny a character.
She was obnoxious in the SAO arc...but she grew on me in the Alfheim arc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
She would be a vast improvement to the forced melodrama here. If anyone needed a psychoanalysis AI right now, it is Sinon.
One word. Emodere.
This episode was so bad, I´m a bit speechless. Did she reeeeally propose to Kirito? Wow. Just ... wow. Dat harem-power, eh?
No log-out option is utterly unbelievable. It´s not even bad, it´s simply unbelievable and makes no sense. In a post-SAO world, it wouldn´t be allowed to grey out that function. And even without the whole "die in-game, die irl", it makes no sense for reasons already mentioned (your house burning or whatever). This is such a huge oversight that the author really must have thought "fuck it, I need this to be like this, because otherwise the rest of that scene wouldn´t make sense". No effort in story-telling at all.
In general, this anime is so full of itself. Arrogance and pretense reeking everywhere. You can just feel how the immense popularity of the first two seasons have gotten to the producers of the show. They think they´re all that, when they´re not.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
While there was no fear of real death in the second arc, they made it a point how "death" would come with different forms of punishment. Like when Kirito and Leafa tried to reach another place and dying would have meant that they´d be teleported back to the last town where they started. That´s a tangible danger. Much more so than a so-called death gun that, as we´ve been shown in episode 1, could kill anybody just by pointing it at a tv-image of that victim. The whole thing of Death Gun going through the trouble of participating the tournament is forced, contrieved bullshit. He could simply watch the tournament from the outside, point at one of the many screens showing the various participants and kill them without them even realizing what´s going on. Since Death Gun therefore nothing but "plays" around, fools around, this isn´t exciting.
There´s exactly two exactly two explanations for his behavior: Either he´s god-like and knows that he cannot lose, OR he´s a super-dumb idiot. From what we´ve seen, the latter is more likely, but even if it´s the first one: NEITHER option makes this exciting to follow. Knowing that whatever happens can only happen because the enemy chose for it to be possible to happen. Boring.
EDIT:
Also wtf @the above postings!
Pseudo Incest > Emo bitch > edgy piece of rock > Asuna
If it turns out that Kirito somehow gets rid of Death Gun just by simply beating him in game, this is definitely going to be a Gundam Seed situation where you stop watching after the first series and avoid the sequel like the plague.
This can be explained by the company being shady, overseas etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
That's not what she was doing at all. Kirito is trying to tell her not to go fight and die while she is saying that she needs to do that to move past herself or else she'll be worthless as a human being. If he isn't going to let her go, he would need to protect her for the rest of her life because she wouldn't be able to do anything herself.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I don't think there are any romantic feelings in this conversation at all. Shino is trying to deal with her trauma and Kirito is butting in with how she wants to deal with it. She can't accept that someone wants to be friends with her and help her through it.
Death Gun is playing in the tournament for 2 apparent reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
1) He wants to kill the best players
2) He wants to show how he is better than everybody else and strike fear into their hearts - he basically said as much in ep 1
He's already lived through a death game and probably murdered people directly with his sword as part of Laughing Coffin.
He tried sitting back and killing someone through a TV. Then, he stepped it up and killed the next guy in-game (I think Kikuoka explained the rumor was that DG came and killed some squad and executed some guy). Neither of these got him very much attention other than some forum posts and it probably wasn't very exciting for him either.
Since that wasn't good enough for him, what is the next level? Doing it in a live tournament and killing multiple people.
If people just start dying in the game, people are going to attribute it to the game or the VR gear or over-gaming. That's doesn't seem like what Death Gun wants at all. Maybe he would do that if he was Kira from Death Note or something and thought all gamers were evil, but that isn't the case.
EDIT:
Regarding no logging out, the only thing I can think of would be to prevent users from logging out and collaborating with people who are in the tournament. I don't know how you would do that, though... It is pretty contrived.
Though honestly, neither Kirito nor Sinon really wants to log out.
Kirito wants to stop Death Gun (and is fairly sure he is safe in a hospital) and Sinon wants to overcome her trauma and doesn't care if she dies.
Horriblesubs Episode 11
Well... this was a terrible episode, worst of the season by far. Boring as fuck.
Nah last episode was the worst of the season because literally nothing useful happened, the series could have gone on fine without it. At least this episode we found out how the killings happen. Although still very boring.
Fuuuuuuuuck! What even is this?!
You're crazy. At least the last episode had an action scene at the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by lelouch
This one had absolutely nothing.
If Kirito's actually right, the explanation ended up being super banal and boring.
Sinon Ass Online.
I just hope this arc will be over soon. Absolutely hate GGO :/
The "twist" was so stupid, and the author probably doesnt even realize how he suddenly changed the whole genre of this show. Some creepy guy standing next to sleeping Sinon while she´s awake in-game and knows about it? That´s a horror-anime now. lol. Totally introduces the Bedroom Visitor-myth.
Of course, all of it is bs. So they´re finding out user information by, lol, standing behind them invisibly, and then some other guy drives around all over Japan to use his superior pick locking-skills and enters players´ house to inject them stuff? While wearing a death gun-costume. Awww lord ...
Favorite parts of the episode:
1) "Now, don't freak out, but there's this guy standing at your bedside right now with a syringe."
2) The numerous cuts to Sinon's butt to try to spice up the explanations. I particularly liked the one where Kirito looks at it and then Sinon looks up at him and he smoothly redirects his gaze back to her face while continuing his explanation.
Mfauli, the murderer wouldn't actually be wearing a Death Gun costume, lol. That was just a visual representation based on Kirito's explanation.
i thought that, too, but then ... this is SAO :/Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOfMoogles
I think the bigger problem would be Kirito miraculously resolving the mystery with nearly 100% speculation and almost no real evidence to back it up.
"He's actually doing the cross to secretly check on his watch that I don't know that he even wears about the improbably convenient pre-arranged time!"
instead of
"He's using the cross as a signal to his partner who is watching the streamed feed from a cellphone in the real world to start the injection."
The only one that I can actually accept is the inspiration that there are two people involved in "Deathgun" because Kirito thought from the beginning that it was impossible to kill someone from within the game with amusphere tech.
Kirito is also able to give Deathgun a full psych profile because he's not only the best gamer in the world, he's the best detective and a qualified psychoanalyst. It's such a shame the author doesn't ever pull back on the Gary Stu bullshit when we know he can write significantly better than this (Accel World).
And why the hell is Kikuoka playing other games instead of keeping an eye on the tournament?
The fanservice was indeed a pathetic attempt to spice up a horribly boring episode.
Props to Sinon's character design. I'm convinced Kirito gets inspiration from looking at her ass. Too bad her nendoroid has weird arms.
This was the best part of Kirito's theory. No doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I have to admit I skipped the beginning of the episode. The emoness level of Kirito and Sinon feeling competitively sorry for themselves was so far over 9000 that I couldn't take it. Especially with the latter half of the previous episode already being full of the same shit. I wonder when exactly Kirito is going to tell Sinon that he hasn't been dwelling on his past (self-defense) deeds because he has been too busy flirting with his rich and beautiful girlfriend, entertaining a harem of other girls while building his own virtual world, and generally being hailed a hero and an all-around good fellow by all the people who know him, to the point of the government itself relying on his help. As opposed to Sinon who has the past of being bullied in school and shunned by her parents, living in loneliness, in addition to her own severe psychological trauma that's almost stopping her progress in life.
It's like a millionaire and a poor man meeting at a gas station, both lamenting the rising price of fuel, while for the millionaire it's actually nothing but a theoretical problem of principles, for the poor man it's a matter of being able to buy all the necessities to feed and house his family.
Props to you for understanding the whole point of GGO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
@Ryll and Kraco - Perfectly valid criticisms.
@Mfauli - I don't even understand what you're complaining about. Horror..? LOL.
I don't think that scene was supposed to be what was actually happening, I think it's supposed to be what Sinon was picturing was happening from Kirito's description.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I doubt the real guy is actually dressed like Death Gun in the real world. Not only wouldn't that make sense, it would be counterproductive. Death Gun doesn't WANT people to think there's a real world Death Gun. He wants people to think he has a magic gun that kills people in the real world.
Edit: I guess MasterOfMooglers already pretty much said this.
I'm actually amazed someone thought that was what actually happened...
I'm amazed that in an anime like this one would discard the possibility of something this ridiculous actually occurring... Not that I think it did, but I wouldn't be so quick to discard it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
No, you are exaggerating now. It was really obvious it wasn't reality.
Are you saying that because you guessed it earlier? hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
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Originally Posted by Kraco
I don't really get this line of thinking. For pages people were complaining about how stupid it would be if he was some uber hacker. And now that it is explained in a feasible way, it is boring? What exactly did you want it to be?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
No, it's not that. It's that the second person would stroll the night in a Death Gun cosplay to break into players' houses.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOfMoogles
I guess the problem is that the first two arcs were based on the idea that people could be trapped in the VR and bad things could happen to them there, things that would affect their RL as well. This one is kind of a reverse. Kirito's theory would mean there would be nothing peculiar about this game at all. It would be just a perfectly ordinary murderer going around in RL, killing people in their houses, in their sleep for all practical purposes. Selection of the victim would merely rely on the game, which means it wouldn't need to be a VR game at all. It could be sports, chess, academic excellence, beauty, romantic jealousy, whatever has appeared as motives in the millions of crime literature, TV series and movie pieces. And reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOfMoogles
If we're going to talk about crazy visualizations, I was super happy they brought back Death Gun shooting someone through the ethernet cable. That one is my favorite.
inb4, "That was exactly how Kirito thought he was killing people."
Yeah, because the video game killing you would have been a ridiculous conclusion to jump to.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
If, you know, that hadn't been what the entire first arc had been about.
Two different groups of people?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOfMoogles
I don't think I ever though the hacking explanation was stupid. And I do think the current explanation is so mundane. To the point where the police shouldn't have required some kind of online specialist to solve it.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
No, the ridiculous conclusion is that someone is cosplaying as Death Gun in the real world, not that there actually is someone in the real world.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Over time, sure, I would believe the police would figure it out. The problem is currently nobody was even really looking into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
I thought this was a very interesting way to take the story and a good way to switch it up from the previous arcs.
Is there a different method you think would have been more interesting or would have liked better?
@Darth - Wearing a fancy costume in RL when you are about to stealth kill someone is leagues beyond any ridiculous thing SAO has ever shown. It also serves no purpose story-wise, unlike most of the bullshit that SAO throws out.
The scene was also presented in a way that showed Sinon was imagining it. Her freak out face was shown immediately after the bedroom scene.
EDIT:
@Moogles - Wait, you mean Darth misunderstood my post? I'm pretty sure that a partner killing the people via drugs is firm now.
Yes, exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
It's someone wearing a costume as a disguise (like from a horror movie) while they murder someone. That's actually pretty normal when the perpetrator doesn't want to get caught. If they weren't so focused on it being a game, it wouldn't be a leap to assume they would get just as many jollies finding people in the games and then murdering them and posting videos to the net. While I certainly agree that the scene was imagined...it isn't leagues beyond any ridiculous thing SAO has shown.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Hell, everything in the climax of the ALO arc was more ridiculous and implausible than some kook dressing up in a matching costume to murder online game players. Also, what are the odds of finding your own sister in a video game in the first place? At least the GGO arc gets one thing right, Kirito and Sinon have never met IRL.
A disguise is different from a fancy costume, which is why I worded it that way. If someone sees you walking around and fiddling with people's locks wearing the Death Gun outfit, you will not only attract attention, but get arrested.
Yes, leagues beyond. And like I said, it serves no purpose to the story if it was actually like that.
I guess I thought you were arguing something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
One assumes this person doesn't possess the horror movie trope of just appearing and disappearing at will. So wearing a scary costume only drastically increases your chances of being notice/caught, not reduces it.
While I actually do agree it was imagination for the sake of visualising the crime method, I wouldn't put it past this show. These guys are obviously crazy from the society's point of view. There are understandable reasons for murder, such as hatred, revenge, jealousy, and such, but these guys are serial killers, who are always labeled as insane. Why wouldn't an insane person wear a costume? Especially since their point is, for the greater audience, to make it seem like Death Gun in GGO caused the death. I imagine the other guy in RL, who's basically a tool, would feel left out if he didn't look like the part as well. Naturally they could be switching places all the time, assuming both are master lockpickers, but that still wouldn't change the fact that only the person in GGO is Death Gun, the one breaking into a player's house is nothing but an ordinary human murdering somebody using an ordinary method. However, with the costume, he could imagine they are the same person, one manifested in the game, one in reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
True enough I guess. No accounting for crazy.
I'm getting the feeling that the Death Gun duo theory will end up being at least a trio, if not a whole guild remnant of LC operating in both GGO and reality. We already knew from that blip of the reality Death Gun that he was targeting Sinon, so Pale Rider must've been a secondary target and would have to have someone else stalking him at the same time.
That actually makes sense, since his partner would have had to have been in Pale Rider's house, then somehow traveled all the way to Sinon's house before Death Gun decided to kill her.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmkze04
Which, I guess means that unless these people all live in the same town, doesn't seem very likely without more than one person outside.
They very likely do because the writing is bad...but I actually think it makes sense when you put all the puzzle pieces together, the ridiculous way Kirito divined them anyway. I think we can give this one to the series, whether it was intentionally written that way or if the gaps can be filled purely by accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
1) They are looking up the competitor's addresses directly.
2) Most of the targets, if not all are prominent players that were in the previous tournament (Sinon says she only doesn't recognize a few players plus Kirito).
3) We were shown the file folder with DeathGun's list of targets, with Sinon remaining.
4) DeathGun is very selective of who he/they kill spectacularly to prove their "power."
The duo has probably looked up which prominent GGO players are in Tokyo, possibly narrowing it down to a few districts at most. They're only picking targets the partner can reasonably get to in time for the execution.
In fact, within the tournament, they would only execute two (Pale Rider and Sinon). They'd both love to get Kirito, but he's paranoid and didn't put in his address.
Even if he did, he's in a hospital.
They hate him enough that they would probably go kill him later, though. It would be super dangerous.
Not if he knew they were coming.
Even if they lived all in the same town, there would be no way for GGO Death Gun to communicate which target he was hunting next to an outsider, especially with him staying off the scanners. Otherwise it would be simple for Kirito or Sinon to send someone to her house and ambush the real world Death Gun while he's waiting to inject her.
Kirito should just raise his heart rate, automatically log out, then go to Shino's apartment to stop the killer.
All he needs to do is stare at that ass long enough.
Haha, I don't know that he could get up to 180ish bpm just by doing that. Not to diss Sinon's behind or anything.
I know you're kind of just joking with your post, but I think it is interesting to consider this.
Any scenario involving confronting the murderer is pretty dangerous. Let's say he did log out, options then are:
1) Call police on Shino's apartment
2) Go there alone
Both involve the murderer being trapped in her apartment unless he can escape out a window or something. It would potentially turn into a hostage situation.
Given the scenario, the absolute safest option seems to be to defeat Death Gun in game and hope the murderer follows the code they have set. If DG gets knocked out of the tournament, hopefully the killer leaves quietly. If, by fighting Death Gun, Kirito remembers the guy's SAO name or gets him to tell him, then they can look up his address and catch him. Then you would hope to catch any co-conspirators via interrogation/plea bargain or by raiding the guy's phone/computer logs.
Only in Japan would a pair of homicidal murderers be polite enough to lose in a video game and not be enraged enough to take revenge anyway.
I only believe it because I know they line up in game to each take their turn doing "Kill 10 Vicious Wombats" quests.
I'm no expert, and in fact I shouldn't in this case argue with an American (since you certainly make the most iconic serial killer movies, ever since Hitchcock), but I think it's precisely because they are serial killers that they stick to their own methods and rules. They aren't like terrorists trying to produce as many indiscriminate victims as possible. They are carefully selecting the victims and the way the victims apparently died is carefully produced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
I'd say they would only kill outside of their plans if it was to preserve the secrecy of their methods in order to keep going. Otherwise they would need to drop the Death Gun act.
That makes sense.
So what you're saying is...Death Gun has a dark passenger.
I will die laughing if one of the eps is titled Dark Passenger.
For the record I saw people do this in Archeage on the EU server just yesterday so it's not really limited to Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
I dont get it, what is this?Quote:
Originally Posted by fireheart
What don't you get, the lining up to get a mob or what Archeage is? Or was that just sarcasm?Quote:
Originally Posted by lelouch
Lining up for wombats? I've heard of archage but never played it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fireheart
In MMOs, since you have to wait for monsters to respawn, it can be a real pain to do quests. The example here is kill 10 wombats. If everybody is killing all of the wombats, you basically have tons of players scouring the area and nobody gets their quest done in a reasonable amount of time. It is also very frustrating.
Most often I've seen this with very rare spawns, where a specific rare monster spawns in a specific location and people wait in line to kill it.
If you don't wait in line, it basically becomes a mess where everyone is just trying to grab the monster first and kill it.
This isn't really an issue in most recent MMOs thanks to having multiple instances of zones.
What goes around, comes around. I guess Kirito shouldn't have ignored the dude back in SAO. Still, considering Kirito has been playing a sword fighting game all the time, whereas Death Gun has been playing a modern shooting game, one has to wonder why exactly Kiroto would be rusty with swords, not Death Gun. Could it be that Kirito has been doing no PvP sword fights, not even to train? Fighting AI controlled monsters and NPCs wouldn't really do the trick.
Death Gun remains the most interesting character in this show, that's for sure.
Btw, when two marksmen shoot at each other from considerable distance, one from a really high position, the other from the ground level, one with a large calibre gun and one with a smaller, would the trajectories of the bullets meet at the halfway point? They aren't beam weapons, after all.
This anime is such shit, lol. We are always shown how Kirito is THE best sword fighter. And out of nowhere, this guy pwns Kirito? Makes no sense. Of all the possible developments, this one makes the least sense. Seriously, Kirito has been blocking bullets for 10 episodes, and now this? As Kraco says, there´s no reason to believe he´d be rusty in terms of sword skills.
Most interesting piece of information, though, was Death Gun replying to Kirito´s explanation for Death Gun´s crimes, "you have a fascinating imagination". Maybe I´m being optimistic here, but imo this wording implies that Death Gun finds Kirito´s reasoning funny, further implying that it´s 100% wrong. To be honest, at this point in the story I´d prefer if it turns out that Death Gun truly CAN kill people with his gun alone after all. Putting this ridiculous "partner who´s driving around whole of Japan, using superior lock-picking skills to inject poison into victims´ bodies" bs. No idea how it´d be explained then, but idc.
As for the sniper duel, dear god, for a moment I feared they´d go full-retard and have the bullets hit each other in mid-air. Would have been soooo corny.
I was wondering if they were showing DG's warping movements to take us back to the last boss fight in SAO...
My guess is that DG is an admin or whatever haxor profile. Since the company running GGO is in the US and nobody knows shit about it, it might be DG is in fact one of the founders/developers or whatever position that granted him access to the source code or whatever hack needed for his deeds.
That gives him access to any player's identity etc...
That would make all three arcs so far exactly the same: A fight against the admin, or somebody with admin rights and possibilities, which isn't any different.Quote:
Originally Posted by David75
Welcome to almost every shounen anime out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Yui being able to control hospital TV's in real life ruined everything.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by lelouch
Yui is probably the most advanced AI ever written in this setting, and even if Kayaba abandoned her, she's been continuing to develop since Kirito and Asuna "adopted" her. Kirito has even been toying with man-machine interfaces, and Asuna is of course incredibly wealthy and probably owns all of Kayaba's old technology and programming assets.
That was one of the most plausible things that happened this episode.
Put Yui in a cellphone, link the cellphone up to the connected networks, and there you go. It's the Internet of Things, controlled by an AI solely developed to interpret natural human speech and emotions.
Compare that to, "I can use metal swords if they are precisely no greater than my preferred weapon type (LOL, it wouldn't work for what you like to use Kirito!), can slide them into my unique drop sniper rifle, and it is conveniently made of the strongest metal in the game that can't be burned through with you laser sword, and even though my partner is creeping on Sinon in her apartment that she can just tell you the address of, I can't be stopped because you don't know the handle I used in another game!"
I think it is pretty clear which developments break suspension of disbelief.
I thought those were just sword Special Moves. We know those still exist in GGO because Kirito did that four-slash thing when he first picked up the light saber.Quote:
Originally Posted by David75
We know. You say it every time you point out a plot-hole(or something you just didn't understand). One wonders why you think it's still poignant commentary at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Or he's just denying the accusation because it completely undermines what he's trying to do here to admit it. It does him no favors to confess in the event that Kirito has accurately guessed his plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
But yes, it would be nice if Kirito's prediction was completely wrong.
Neither?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
The only reason the stuff you mentioned wouldn't seem plausible is because we didn't know weapon crafting existed in the game. But then, the reason we didn't know is because Kirito didn't know, which, like Death Gun said, is because Kirito didn't do any fucking research.
But, given that this is an MMO, and pretty much every MMO ever has had crafting, we probably should have assumed it was available.
I'll break it down for you, because as usual you don't understand fairly basic concepts.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
The fact that there is crafting isn't really a problem. You're missing the forest for the trees. It's when that system was introduced, and how the blade functions.
Improbable is always worse than impossible in story telling.
There is crafting, and like you point out, Kirito didn't do his research, he learned everything from Sinon in order because he rushed into this investigation. What makes it improbable is that there is an arbitrary limit to what size can be crafted...and it perfectly matches DeathGun's preferred blade type, the estoc.
Then they compound that by going out of their way to have Kirito say that you can't craft the type of swords he likes.
That DeathGun can craft a blade is no big deal, the system was probably made for making knives and stuff. The issue is that the system conveniently tops out on the exact type of weapon DeathGun used in SAO. That's awfully convenient, very bad writing, and completely improbable. If the crafting system stopped on machetes instead it would make sense, but it stops on long stabbing sword profiles? Please.
But they're not even done! They next state that he crafted it from the ultra-rare space battleship metal that is the strongest in the game. This space battleship metal's amazing property is that it not only can block the exceptionally strong laser sword (which cuts through type of body armor we've seen, evaporates bullets, and cuts through weapons - all in eps 6), it too can easily pierce body armor. So we've given the enemy an equally powerful weapon for no other reason but to make it a sword fight.
The basis of its existence was entirely within the scene it was introduced.
And the other half is just as ridiculous. DeathGun can't get caught solely because Kirito never knew his name?! They know his partner is in Sinon's apartment! Find one, find the other.
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Originally Posted by Kraco
First hit: Suprise attack, Kirito didn't expect him to have a sword - his head on attack was stupid though, why did he even leap in the first place, its not like he had to close the gap between extremely fast now that his weapon is broken... What happened to his Five-Seven btw?Quote:
Of all the possible developments, this one makes the least sense. Seriously, Kirito has been blocking bullets for 10 episodes, and now this? As Kraco says, there´s no reason to believe he´d be rusty in terms of sword skills.
Second hit: You can see the laser sword being useless against that blade... it can't melt it -> thus he can't defend against it.
don't know about that - shit works with codes and stuff, I can't remember what happened to Yui anyway, wasn't she supposed to be saved in the headgear or something?Quote:
That was one of the most plausible things that happened this episode.
Put Yui in a cellphone, link the cellphone up to the connected networks, and there you go. It's the Internet of Things, controlled by an AI solely developed to interpret natural human speech and emotions.
I don't expect a virus made for Windows to work on Linux either.
If she can do it, why doesn't she use her superpowers to find out where DG is playing from. It's BS... doesn't matter though because its so common in movies and TV-shows. I didn't even care.
Such scenes remind me of LotR, when Gandalf summoned the hawks to fly to Mt. Doom, why didn't they do that from the get go
What? She could have used Asuna's phone's IR transmitter to make the TV show the match. For all we know, there could be a TV channel for it, and the TV must have been a smart TV with a net connection anyway since this is in the future. What's so special about that little thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Also, Gandalf couldn't take the eagles and fly to Mordor because Sauron was watchful and all the ringwraiths, including the witch king Gandalf was no match for, would have been there waiting.
The fact that you can "run her" on the phone is bullshit itself. It's a typical omnipotent movie A.I don't bother arguing about this. As I said, I don't even care, I just accept it.... like we are meant to do. The only way to explain it/we will get is "It's the future".
You mean her future phone even can't have a net connection and she would merely be using the phone as an interface to communicate with Asuna? Just like a phone is used also by people when you make a phone call to somebody. You don't actually upload your consciousness to the recipient's phone, you merely send your voice over there and receive the other person's voice in return. Yui's involvement with Asuna phone would be a bit deeper but nothing fancy, really. I'm sure even today you can download some shady app from the Internet onto your phone that lets some foreign bastard do whatever he wants with your phone, as long as the net connection is on. Monitor the surroundings with the cameras and microphone, use the IR to change your TV channels if he recognizes your TV brand, whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Those other complaints are valid and all, but this part is completely reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
Obviously if the game has crafting, there's going to be different tiers of materials to craft with. And OF COURSE the main villain is going to have a weapon made from the best materials. And a weapon hand crafted from the best material in the game should damn well be a match for Kirito's store-bought sword, even if it is a light saber(P.S. even Star Wars has materials you can make a sword out of so that a light saber can't cut through it, it's called Cortosis).
Exactly. It's an accepted trope.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Self-aware A.I. can transfer themselves to anything. That's just, like, the rule, man.
You guys are really arguing about the AI-part? Of all the things, it´s the least ridiculous. And even on its own, it´s rather easy to accept. An AI lives in a world of 0s and 1s. It doesn´t matter if one software is completely different from another, it´s the same on a basic level.
I'll chime in as a software developer.
While I wouldn't go so far as to say "All software is just 0s and 1s, so easy-peasy", this scene is actually very reasonable and I would expect to be able to do stuff like this in 2025. The only somewhat ridiculous part from a software standpoint is the fact that Yui exists at all.
You can already do a lot of what we've seen here with DLNA. The TV would be a Digital Media Renderer (DMR) and the phone would be a Digital Media Controller (DMC). If your DMC has access to a Digital Media Server (DMS), it can push that media to the DMR, control playback, volume, etc. A DMS can push live TV, web streams, or whatever you want, as long as it provides the details about it to the DMC and DMR according to the standards.
If I were to speculate about Yui, I would guess Asuna installed some app on her phone that lets Yui do cool stuff with it. A remote desktop type app would probably be the easiest, giving the remote connection full control of the device.
Actually you can run grid supercomputing from a Galaxy S5.
The only thing that felt impossible in that scene was just Yui, the AI, because it's shit we can code yet. I'm talking self learning, self aware, able to communicate verbally and visually without a single fucking glitch.
Branching off from the crossfire in here... it sounds like Asuna will probably become the key to figuring out who this guy is and the tension will likely be if they can get to him and the others on time... I also wonder if the camera managed to catch what Kirito was saying, it seemed like he was saying it for the benefit of those watching so they could act on his discoveries from the outside.
Personally, I say they should just hack Kirito's SAO avatar into GGO and let him dual-wield rampage on estoc boy.
So is VR that interfaces directly with your brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inazuma
The series has more advanced computer tech than we do. It's the foundation of the series. No point in arguing against it.
He said earlier the cameras only play sound if you're shouting. Which is another plot contrivance basically.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmkze04
Well, Sinon said that in the cave, but the distance between him and DG was much greater, so I suppose it could be considered a "shout"
After all, we did see DG play up his speech in front of a camera when doing in Pale Rider. There's no reason Kirito couldn't have noticed the camera and be doing the same. The way he explained the process to DG makes me think he wasn't trying to unsettle DG but instead was really doing it so the world would know, especially considering the start of the episode was that he thought he may have missed something. Taking all that into account, he probably has good reason to think he might lose and others need to know what he does.
Episode 13 is out
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How fucking absurdly comically psychotic can you even portray someone? This was so unbelievable incompetently presented. I guess the guy wouldn´t have been able to be painted evil, if he was reacting in a realistic manner, because then it´d be clear that Sinon´s permanent rejection to his very real romantic advances simply hurt and damaged him, ultimately breaking him. Meanwhile, he gets to watch how she´s all lovey-dovey with a strange guy she just recently met in GGO. Classy. But no worries, by presenting him as a complete wacko, repeatingly and non-sensically shouting "Asada! Asada!", all blame goes to him, none to her. siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh
My other major complaint for this episode: Last week I thought that Kirito´s laser sword is entirely ineffective against Death Gun´s metal "sword", simply because the laser sword isn´t hot enough to melt the metal, therefore letting it slip through as if there´s nothing but air, thus resulting in all the hits Kirito received. Wrong. This episode showed that Death Gun was simply a better sword fighter. W T F?! So at this point in the series, we´re led to believe that there was and is a better sword fighter than Kirito? Super bullshit.
I don't think Kirito is supposed to be the best sword fighter in the world. Suguha can beat him in kendo.
He was the best in a small pool in SAO.
In ALO and GGO, he has the advantage of having played VR games more than basically anyone in the world and completely being used to VR combat.
Also, Kirito is a dual wielder. He never beats anyone good with one sword through pure skill.
Regarding the villain... Dude, he was executing a plan to sneak into people's rooms and murder them in their "sleep". Of course is freaking psychotic.
I wish they had made the scene with Sinon waking up a little more tense. Instead they're playing soothing music. That situation would be utterly terrifying.
Fuck. Death Gun was the only cool character in this season. And now he was reduced into a pitiful, slavering, love-sick psycho. That leaves zero cool characters.
Where's Asuna? Did Kirito tell his girlfriend to go home so that he can go visit another girl at the girl's apartment? Quite a Romeo. Or rather, where's the cop Kirito was supposed to have the goverment guy arrange to visit Sinon's place? I guess that foolish official isn't good enough even for that. Really, what do they pay the dude for? I guess he just plays VR games at work from 8AM till 6PM with zilch productivity, yet collects a good salary. What a dream job!
Well, technically, the cool Death Gun and the guy in the real world aren't the same person.
Is Kirito's motorcycle 2-person? He wouldn't want Asuna to come anyways because of the danger.
Depending on how close he is, he would beat the police there, too.
Haha. There's not a single person among the audience who could take him seriously after this. I guess there's a chance his brother is the real deal, though, so maybe there's some hope left. But then again, now that they know his identity, it's not like he could very well keep playing the game and pulling off the Death Gun stunts.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOfMoogles
I dont know how many arcs there are after the GGO-arc, but this anime really needs an element of true danger again. SAO S1 was great with the whole "die in-game, die irl" concept. Right now, however, Kirito and all his waifus have "immortal main cast" status, perceivedly so anyway. Would it have been so difficult to have Sinon raped here instead of the Disney-esque Happy End with Kirito appearing out of nowhere? Asuna, Leafa, Silica, etc - they all send out the feeling that they´ll never be at risk of danger ever again.
All of this basically reduces all possible occurences to "watching Kirito doing cool sword moves", without anything else of substance.
If there is an arc after this one, I hope it begins with Asuna´s death, so we can have some darker revenge plot, instead of this ... easy mode stuff.
I actually appreciated the fact that DeathGun is attracted to in the first place Shino because she's a killer.
Shino is gonna have to have some long talks with Yui (or a real world therapist), because she's gonna be pretty screwed in the mental department for a while.
I thought it was pretty well done, I didn't think the music killed it at all. Her quick actions searching in fairly illogical spots did the trick.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOfMoogles
Now the attempted rape defense struggle scene...that was terrifying. I'd have to put that up in the "Perfect Blue" Category of traumatic anime sequences (and that one is fake!). Before he gets all foamy in the mouth that is. That makes it a bit more comedic than it should be.
I'm also much happier with the way Kirito busted in there and started just wailing on the guy. It's much better than the showdown in the snowy hospital parking lot last season.
My only major complaint was that the bisection scene was almost cool and then somehow Deathgun's pistol magazine exploded like it was a grenade. The Happiness Joy Gift Grenade made up for it a little bit.
I feel so smug right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
The suicide grenade was pretty damn funny. If I was the crowd I wouldn't be excited to see the top two players cop out of a duel though.
They must be happy seeing two hot chicks all hot for each other.
Only one has a dick they do not know of.
Best part of this episode was the grenade ending. I really like GGO. I actually wish Asuna was never born (or never got official with Kirito). If Kirito was not committed, this could have been a better romance story.
@Ryll - I assumed it was a grenade that exploded, but I thought that was retarded as well because Kirito should have died.
@Mfauli - If you want rape, anime is not the right medium for you. Anime is usually aimed at younger people, and rape isn't exactly the best thing to show them. For some reason, death is easier to accept than rape in fiction, though I do understand that somewhat considering my pride.
Unfortunately, you can just barely see the star from the grip on the top half just before it explodes.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
So it really is that bad.
He must have switched to explosive bullets. Death Gun needs not follow treaties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
So I´m really the only one to have a problem with the fact that there´s suddenly a better sword fighter than Kirito? :/
The Kirito who has been lazing about with his harem and with only one sword that does not match his usual heavy blades? I have no issue with it.
I was bothered by it, and I think I indicated as much earlier, but then MOM reminded me of the essential fact that Kirito indeed is a dual-wielder. Which makes me wonder why he doesn't have a second sword now. Did he spend all of his money getting the single one and the pistol and couldn't afford another, or what was it? Not that the situation would really surprise me as he has shown nothing but ill preparation for the mission during the whole arc.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
He had no more money, and he needs his other hand for the pistol.
Drop the second sword and grab the pistol; time lost: 1 ms.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Once Kirito stopped being dumb, he realized the pistol could be used as a second "sword" (which he had done previously in the knockout rounds prior to the main tournament).
It wasn't a bad visual effect here. As deathgun started to go invisible, kirito "stabbed" him with the his "second sword."
That said, I wonder how well the lightsaber functions in the way Kirito is used to, very heavy blades. Since it didn't look like he was batting aside the estoc very well, I would wager that Kirito was at a severe disadvantage that whole fight.
So no, there is not suddenly a better swordsman. Deathgun had been playing GGO for two years while Kirito was off farting around in ALO with his harem. He had all the good gear, and Kirito bought whatever he could last minute and barely knew how to play.
Uh...even if he wasn't being presented as completely crazy, how would the blame not still be all his?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Do you think she owes him something? That she's in some way obligated to return his feelings? And if not, that he's somehow justified in his action, as long as his not raving while doing it?
I actually had no problem with this episode. Kirito being at a disadvantage against a weapon wielded by a person who more or less was designed to kill him is more than believable, and while he could have bought two swords (price was 150k, if I remember right, and he won 300k from the game), that would have neglected armor and a range weapon in a gun-based game. Did no one else pick up on the "hospital" and "medicine" mention from the previous eps? I found that suspicious, and then as soon as I saw the guy's obsessive nature in GGO after the playground scene, he was on my list of suspects. I don't think he snapped from rejection, I'm pretty sure he was well broken before, so his insanity was not unexpected or out of character for me. The rape/murder was stopped actually I think a little past what you'd expect of a series geared for younger crowds, and yes while a full rape may have been a super turn-on for hentai fans, that's something for fan fiction rather than public TV.
As for Kirito coming to the rescue, it would not surprise me at all if he reconsidered momentarily Death Gun's parting words and straight up charged over to Sinon's house while keeping Asuna in the dark probably for her own safety. Or he may have left her instructions to call. Based on that, and him saying Sinon's house was near the hospital, he could definitely reach there before police, and it is just like him to do so.
Sure, but like I said before, Death Gun was the only cool character in this arc. Why would I want the only cool one to be that sniveling fool in RL (and as a matter of fact his secondary cover character in GGO was a similar dunce as well)? The other characters (Kirito+harem) aren't that different, on a basic level, between RL and the total immersion VR. Why does Death Gun need to be so vastly different? He should have been a coldly psychotic and murderous personality of some manner in RL as well, not a weepy, creepy stalker dude sticking to a girl who only stands his presence because she has absolutely nobody else to talk to, despite not even being able to bear his slightest touch, let alone return his feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmkze04
Yeah but he's not the only Death Gun. Actually, I'm not even convinced he was the main Death Gun. He said he was one of the hands and did control Sterben for awhile, but the real Death Gun concept I think came from someone else, probably the brother who was Red Eyed Zaza. I'm pretty sure you'll get to see the dark psycho still.
He said he controlled Sterben up to this point, but decided he wanted to do the actual killing this time. He's the one who leveled the Sterben and was playing DeathGun in-game when the blue-haired guy was killed in the beginning.
Arguably, you could even say that Kirito could have lost if the actual guy was playing instead of wanting to creep on Shino IRL, since it was his actual equipment.
I guess the next question is if the Amusphere tech allows someone else to play as someone else's character.