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Assuming it's a she. Neferpitou uses the pronoun "boku" to refer to itself. It gives of similar vibes to Hellsing's Schrodinger anyway. It has doll joints (exoskeleton joints), though, so it's indeed only pretty human.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Welp, that was predictable. I think i saw Bisque in the preview so maybe they'll train with her a bit more plus some anger from seeing Kyte's head mounted on the wall or something for that extra buzz so they can actually put up a decent enough fight.
I have to express my concerns about the power creep again though, it's always been clear that Gon and Killua had what it took to make it into the best of the best but their development has always been very gradual and careful thus far. Although they have incredible potential they're still kids. Honestly to me the ideal outcome here would be for them to be mostly useless though the whole arc, using the experience to gain some level headedness on how vast the world really is.
Regarding my Ging comment, it's just that as of yet, everytime he's mentionned or briefly shown, he does/did things at such levels you'd think he's way too bright/powerful... and seems to be doing so without much effort/trouble. But maybe that how I want to see all of this.
Pitou could boku me the whole day, I wouldnīt care one bit :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Whaaaaaaaat the hell just happened?!
I can't believe they didn't even show the fight!
I can't help but feel like this series has lessoned the impact of this death though. But taking out the story arc where we get to know Kite and Gon develops an actual relationship with him, it make it much less important to the story and to Gon that he died.
By changing a character from a practically an idol to a mere acquaintance you drastically alter the impact of that character's death.
I gotta say, quick pet peeve, which they've done twice in a row now, is showing us a character who has a very specific number of special attacks, and then killing them off before we even get to see them all.
First Pokkle with his Rainbow themed arrows dies after only showing us two colors, and then Kite with his 10 randomized weapons dies after only seeing what 3 of them are(and only what 2 of them do).
Maybe they just won't be.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
It's not like that would make this the first arc where Gon and Killua were not the central focus. Most of the Auction Arc had nothing to do with them.
Kinda off-topic, but I was just browsing amazon, looking how many Detective Conan-volumes have been released since I last bought one (currently at vol. 70), and I found out that there are already 78 volumes. Itīs kinda incredible how Gosho Aoyama can deliver such steady work, while Togashi keeps going on hiatus after hiatus. To think how far the story could be at this point had he not slacked for so long.
I will really hate the day that this anime is forced to pause/quit, because of a lack of source material ... :(
I actually wouldn't mind a forced pause, and which they would step up the pace. The first 5 minutes were basically all recap. I'd rather have the anime done perfectly than stretch out to last as long as possible.
Togashi has as golden contract with Shounen Jump, where he can't be fired and can basically do whatever he wants. It's revenge for them forcing him to prolong Yu Yu Hakusho, and giving him shit for Level-E. I only watched 2 seasons of Conan about a decade ago, but I doubt the quality of the story is anywhere near HXH. This anime keeps consistently good if not improves, unlike Naruto/Bleach/One Piece.
That is actually what I love this show. It is basically a detraction from the shounen formula, and has good shock value, as well as adding grittiness and realistic cruelty to an otherwise absolutely fantastical setting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
@Kraco - I don't mind, as long as cute.
This is why merely seeing Kite's head doesn't fully convince me he's dead. It kind of feels like he was supposed to be a major character, but then he's suddenly dead before he really achieved anything, as if he was, after all, just a background character who die by the dozens in this story. Perhaps it's just the fault of this new show, and I don't remember his earlier contribution well enough from the old show.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Eh? Pardon my asking but what would actually convince you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Hmmm, at first i was indeed shocked and thought he was seriously dead, but now that i think about it he might not be because of some skill that "thing" he rolled has, we saw him roll it and get an item, but never saw it's use... damnit, now i'm super curious!
That he won't make another living appearance and other characters actually start to consider him dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splash!
If he really is dead already, he was pretty weak. Below the Phantom Troupe members, and Killua vastly overestimated him. The opponent was a newborn ant, after all, and this was its first fight! He would have lost to an absolute newbie.
I don't think that's a fair comparison. Chimera Ants are physically superior to humans already. Despite everything that the arrogant-duo had to say, Neferpitou's aura rocked everyone's boat. Phantom weren't here to fight it, so we can't say if they're weaker or stronger. Rather than say Killua overestimated Kite, it is more apt to say that none of them expected the Ants to be so strong. Gon overestimated Kite, Killua was just happy someone gave him a hug when he needed one. I wouldn't say his "agreement" meant much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Damn, can't believe he's dead, didn't expect HxH to shock me like this
and we will have to see the chairman and his group fight the royal guard just to see how strong they really are, i am guessing Netero is the strongest hunter out there, but would mind those guys with him brought down a noch
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Originally Posted by Kraco
Didn't Killua just say that by his estimation Neferpitou was probably stronger than the guys from the hunter organisation which include Netero. That seems to suggest he wasn't overestimating Kite, more like Neferpitou was strong beyond belief. Killua has been in the presence of the Phantom Troupe members, Illumi and Hisoka and yet he found Neferpitou's aura to be the most sinister one he had ever experienced.
I don't think you can put Kite below Phantom Troupe members, although it is hard to say exactly where he stands given we don't know enough about each of them individually. For one thing, his En has a lot more range than Nobunaga's.
Yeah, but one of the arrogant pro Hunters following Netero said you have lost already if you let the enemy's aura overwhelm you, and in a nen fight even the smallest of actions can change the outcome. In the end the royal guard obviously has an enermous aura, but before messing with the arrow dude's brain it didn't even know what nen is and before Kite it had never used it in combat. Also, the Queen hadn't eaten a single real nen user before Neferpitou, so it can't even have any techniques through that bs way. In other words, it can't have any techniques or extensive knowledge, it only has brute force. I doubt brute force will fly that long against the likes of Netero. In fact I'd expect Netero (or the two companions) to be able to use the brute force against the opponent. I'd guess Kite's downfall was the arm lost due to foolishly diverting his attention to Gon & Killua. Neferpitou wouldn't have needed to do anything but keep harassing Kite, and the fight would have been over due to blood loss.
The point the Morel guy seemed to be making was that there is always the chance to beat your opponent, as a moment of carelessness could a decide a battle. However, that doesn't change the fact that being ridiculously strong is probably the most important advantage you can have in a fight. Also, what Morel said applies equally to Kite. So yes, that moment where he tried to 'protect' Gon and Kite probably decided the outcome of the battle right then and there, regardless of how strong he actually was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Secondly, it doesn't mean a whole lot that Neferpitou doesn't know the details when she seems naturally adept as using nen. You can't use human standards to evaluate these chimera ants. For one thing, they seem to be able to use human speech right from the get go. What is to stop them from coming out with fully developed nen abilities, even if they don't understand how their innate talents work. What we already saw from Neferpitou isn't something humans can do without actual training so it wouldn't be stretch if there was more to it.
I'm just trying to desperately hope all the bs concerning these ants would know at least some limit. It seems quite ridiculous humans need to work their asses off to master nen abilities if some ants simply are born with uber techniques and skills more than equal. Considering that godly phagogenesis, it would already explain being able to speak since all the people the queen eats surely speak. But now I'm supposed to believe eating 1000 ordinary joes and janes who had never heard of nen is still enough to spurt out a nen master?Quote:
Originally Posted by Splash!
Killua estimated Kite to be stronger than a Nen Master with his "En" abilities, and he also has Ging's respect. I definitely wouldn't put him below the Phantom Troupe.
I think the royal guards may be the product of thousands of humans, not just one thousand. Although I could be wrong. Yeah they are a broken species but its an interesting change of pace. Togashi is skilled at surprising the reader with where he wants to take the story. It seems pulled out of his ass, but at least the reasoning somewhat makes sense rather than introducing an army of humans out of nowhere who have incredible power levels.
Neferpitou was born with monstruous levels of nen oozing from her body. Rammot reaction proved that.
At that point, she never had any knowledge regarding nen... unless the communication system ants use gave her some data she could extrapolate while she was growing.
Then she got her hand on nen knowledge thanks to Pokkle. At that point, she got pointers as to how she could control that massive nen natural nen output she has, she even is a specialist, a rare breed amongst nen users.
They really highlighted the fact that Kite had extraordinary powers to be able to detect enemies in any direction at a distance of 45 meters.
Yet Neferpitou found him at a distance that was like 500 meters or more (maybe 1000?) and just jumped from that place directly to Kite. She's a monster regarding nen powers. That ep to me just exposed those facts.
Sorry, Kraco, I think youīre unfair and harsh on Kite.
He lost an arm due to protecting Gon and Killua. And thatīs where his fight against Pitou started. Most of the Spiders would be significantly weaker without both arms intact. Hell, imagine C....whatshisname, the leader without both arms. He wouldnt be able to use his strongest power.
Fact is, Kite was at a severe disadvantage against Pitou.
Secondly, I think youīre underestimating Pitou (as a consequence of your unwillingness to accept the Chimera antsī incredible powers) and overestimating the Spiders and Netero and company.
Itīs best to accept that the chimera Ants just are THAT fucking strong. If that makes any sense, well, letīs hope the anime clears up on that. Even if it doesnīt, itīs pretty simple to understand: A standard chimera ant is made of 2 animals being eaten and processed by the queen (using bs-numbers here). One of the higher ranks like the first intelligent, winged chimera ant is made of 100 living beings. Then say the royal guard is made of 1000 people. And the king is mde of 10000 people (add a zero to each of those numbers, if necessary). What Iīm trying to say is: These high ranking chimera ants are a simple culmination of power. There is nothing clever about it. 1+1 = 2. 2+1 = 3. 100 x 1 = 100. Itīs the most simple of mathematics. A single, normal human being might be nothing, but concentrate the power of 1000 normal human beings and they might have a shot against someone like Netero.
Two complaints being left:
1.) Pitou being a "noob": I donīt think itīs that difficult to accept that all Chimera Ants are natural born fighters. Most animals are born with certain abilities. Especially insects.
2.) Chimera ants using nen, and Pitou being able to use it without having met nen-users. No idea. Itīs either my own theory of Chimera ants being natural nen users, proven by the Phagogenesis ability, or thereīs something else.
Either way: Kite didnīt give me the impression of being weak. Pitou gave me the impression of being a monster, in the sense the Uborgin never was.
I don't believe that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Killua has faced the Phantom Troupe before, and he specifically stated that Neferpitou's aura was the worst he'd ever felt.
Aura, aura... That's all I hear. Having a bigger gun doesn't automatically make you a winner of a fight. Kite made a tragic amateur mistake before the fight had even really begun: He didn't focus on the enemy but thought he had the luxury to worry about others (despite the fact he had told Gon & Killua that he won't be looking after them but rather thought they would be useful for the mission). If that cost him his life, like it seems right now, then he was definitely a worse fighter than the Phantom Troupe members. It doesn't matter how fancy a tank you have if you drive with your head out for any sniper to put a bullet through. As a nen user in general he might have been more skilled and gifted (with the exception of the leader, I reckon), though little good that did to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Iīll just assume youīre intentionally trolling now, Kraco. So Kite was an amateur because he didnīt let his friends die? Okay. :|
According to Killua, not even Netero can take on Pitou. I know it's an estimate, but that should tell you something. Inexperienced or not, unless one of the spiders is as strong as Netero, they've got nothing on the newborn ant.
Killua thinks Kite is a top-hunter
Killua thinks and knows his brother is strong
Killua is scared shitless of Hisoka
Killua knows that the reinforcements that just arrived are strong
Killua estimates all of the people above are inferior to Neferpitou.
The author is trying to tell you something. And if you didn't get the message, sooner or later, as you watch more episodes, reality will sink in.
I thought about that too, but Kite also detected Neferpitou after Nef climbed outside of the building. Was Nef using En, or did Nef have some sort of special power that lets him detect enemies the way he did (Pokkle, for example). He did that before he learned about the different applications of Nen.Quote:
Originally Posted by David
To counter the "newbie" argument, it's been stated that some humans are actually using Nen without being aware of it. That alone tells you can apply it without even knowing you're using it. The fortune-telling girl is a prime example of someone who used Nen effectively (and also very specifically) without knowing about it.
edit-after-reaching-this-page: Aura isn't determining factor, but it is an indicator. The tank assessment by Kraco (where the driver drives with their head out) assumes the tank is stupid. Now if Kite saw Pitou's aura and assumed that Pitou was too stupid to make good use of it, now that would be underestimating her.
In the absence of any other reliable method, how do you want us to judge these things?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
So the Spiders are stronger than Pitou because...what then? Your feels?
I think it's highly unlikely that Netero was even releasing his Nen when Killua was talking to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by antiravage
If Nef is walking around with her blades unsheathed, I think it is safe to say that the three sent to kill the ants are keeping theirs well hidden. Killua's assessment at that time is probably inaccurate.
I don't get the whole sinister thing though. Why not just talk about the size of the aura - what does "evilness" have to do with anything? That bit of assessment actually had me scratching my head.
I get bloodlust, but you don't judge someone's combat ability by it. It's just a measure of how badly someone wants to kill you.
"Sinister" in terms of absolutness. When youīre fighting an opponent, because both your goal is becoming a hunter, there is nothing sinister about it. Itīs a competition. An opponentīs aura may be overwhelming here, too, but thatīs from a pure power angle.
The sinister version of this comes into existence when you realize an opponent is here just to ... "erase" you. End you. Kill you. The difference to mere bloodlust, as I see it, is the power difference. And equal fighter can give in to bloodlust, but might not be strong enough to use that bloodlust for his own victory. Maybe see Hisoka during the island exam as an example. While being overwhelming in real battle, Gon got a chance to catch his number plate when Hisoka got all bloodlusting. I cannot imagine the same with Pitou.
Sinister doesnt really objectively mean "evil", thatīs just from Killuaīs point of view. So, sinister aura really doesnīt have anything to do with bloodlust. Itīs the combination of overwhelming power with the intent to target you, in that case Killua and Gon and Kite.
It's interesting that Killua interpreted it that way. When I watched the episode, I misread the kanji on screen as aku (惡, evil), but it was actually uramu (怨, resentment). If anything, this confuses the issue even more. Pitou was only after someone to test its strength against, while all the other ants killed out of either duty or fun. The more evolved ones even considered themselves equal to or superior to humans, so there's no hate there either.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Killua was scared shitless. I won't overly much blame Netero & Co for taking his words with a grain of salt. The world of nen is full of monsters, was even before these ants, and if you let them scare you, you have already lost a lot, like the arrogant dude said. It's a different thing letting fear help to better judge your options, that is, to be careful, but it's another thing if you start to view someone as impossible to defeat by anyone. If you don't believe you can defeat the opponent, your efficiency is sure to drop drastically.
Exactly. Though we have no reason to assume they'd have died, especially both of them. Like I've been saying since a couple of pages ago, Kite had been steadily underestimating the ants due to arrogance. That ended up compromising his own mission. Yes, the mission he deemed so important yet sacrificied to, possibly, save Gon & Killua. How is that not amateurish? He didn't go all out against the opponent, his intel was lacking yet that didn't make him more careful but careless instead, he didn't concentrate fully on the main objective, he got distracted, he got himself killed(?). An amateur if I have ever seen one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I don't recall saying such a thing. I have only said Kite was a worse fighter than Spiders. Kite got defeated rather easily, it looks like, by Neferpitou, so there's plenty of gap between those two for all manner of power levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
By results, perhaps? Sure, Neferpitou is strong, but I wouldn't put too much stock in the assessment of one kid scared witless. If Neferpitou ends up wiping its chitin ass with Netero & Gorillas, then sure, Killua happened to be right and that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
That's our main problem. Pitou defeated Kite, so you think Kite isn't that strong (because you think Pitou isn't that strong), and you'll only update that view when Pitou beats the the trio that just came (who you agree are strong).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Instead of seeing Kite's defeat as him being weak, we're saying Pitou's ability is through the roof. Rather than saying Pitou isn't strong because he's a newbie and comparing Kite against him, we should use Kite as the control, and have Pitou (our unknown variable) be compared to him instead. Kite is more or less a Nen master. Seeing as he knows Ging, I'd say he's seen monsters.. and Pitou is a monster.
Perhaps I haven't explained my stand unambiguously enough, but I mean to separate raw strength and combat strength from each other. I have no doubt Kite had plenty of raw strength (though obviously Pitou had even more), but for Kite that translated poorly to combat strength. I'd assume Pitou can do very little but fight. Combat strength is a complex thing and raw strength (aura output) isn't nearly everything that matters in my opinion, with DE proposing the opposite. Killua, for example, being an uber assassin, could probably have taken out plenty of weak nen users even before he discovered nen himself. Now that he has nen, those assassin skills aren't reduced obsolete at all, they are enhanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Kite made so many sad mistakes during this arc that I can hardly consider him a powerful fighter. Well, I admit I'm more than likely wrong throwing randomly in Phantom Troupe since that group had members who are far better at being thieves than fighters, but that doesn't exclude all of them. They are villains so most likely they wouldn't get distracted during fights like the good guys always do (generating no end of textbook scenes of the opponent accusing the hero of getting worried about their friends, not their own fight). I'm happy Pitou went all out and didn't waste time lecturing. Kite deserved it.
The 'magic wand' that Kite got through the 'slots machine' and NOT saying it was a crappy roll makes me believe he's still alive.
He mentioned that Pitou was a monster, so I wouldn't be surprised if he needed to hide and wait for reinforcements. I really doubt Ging would have trained him to act like an amateur in this kind of situation.
He was sweating bullets when he felt the aura, so I'd say he knew he was outclassed or at least in for one hell of a fight.
In the world of Nen you just never know.
My prediction, even though I suck at them:
Looking at the intro I'd say thinking Kite is dead, Gon will go berserk agains Pitou and fuck her up.
On the other hand, that kind of plot device is very un-HxH like...
Somewhere I don't want Gon and Killua to play an important role in this arc.. if they were they'd be on the level of Netro and the 2 dudes he picked. Going from using 'tricks' to fight the bomber and being on equal footing with Netero just doesn't sit right with me, being shounen or not.
Just let this arc for them be nothing more then see what it means to be really strong.
I find it really silly to assume Kite is still alive. If Kite is alive, then HXH has jumped the shark and is now just as bad as Naruto when it comes do "deaths".
No.
The whole episode was crafted in a way to make us, the audience, feel the power of Pitou and the hopelessness that follows that power. I thought that was made super clear when we had Gonīs happy go lucky-reaction, telling Killua that Kite was alive for sure ... and then BAMM we see Pitou playing around with Kiteīs severed head. Despair.
Maybe Kraco was watching a different anime, but the HXH-anime Iīve been watching ever since the Chimera-arc began put a huuuuge focus and presenting despair. Humans being hunted and killed in gruesome ways, children getting eaten, likeable old characters getting killed and eaten. Why would any of this lead you to believe that now the story takes a 180°-turn and follows shounen-clichees where goods guys canīt die? See, if Pitou had Gonīs or Killuaīs head in her lap, then sure, Iīd say "okay, someone created a replica to escape Pitou". But thatīs not the case.
This whole arc is supposed to make us, the audience, feel bad. And I just donīt see that changing now.
I donīt know about what happens, since I didnīt read the manga (thatīs just for clarification), but I wouldnīt be surprised if even Netero and his guys would have trouble fighting the royal guard. Of course, that īd open up the question: Who then remains to put an end to the Chimera danger? Assuming that the story doesnīt develop into a reality where Chimera ants rule the world, lol.
To be honest, I'd play with Kite's head on my lap too if I ever got one.
The reasons why I'm not fully convinced he's dead are: He abandoned the mission to preserve life; he's trained by Ging, like you said, so despite everything I've said I don't want him to be a fool who got killed so easily; and also because it feels like he didn't yet fulfill any meaningful role, although can be a problem caused by this new show, not the story itself (in other words I didn't feel a thing when his head was on Pitou's lap, other than hating Pitou for being so illogically strong, but Kite's death, assuming he died, didn't make me sad in the slightest). And it's true the magical girl staff he got didn't look like a weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harima Kenji
I wouldn't mind if Gon & Killua defeated the likes of Rammot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harima Kenji
After his powerup, Rammot would be a good opponent for them. Just let Gon and Killua handle the squad leaders etc. and leave the rest to the real pros.
I expect them to AT LEAST be able to defeat the Lion guy, who will probably be stronger than Rammot once he gets his Nen awakened, since he's a Squad Leader and Rammot is just an Officer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
I fully expect Gon to fight Colt at some point as well.
The ONLY mistake Kite made was get a little cocky and bring Gon and Killua along. In hindsight, I feel even that will have its benefit in the long run. For one thing, Killua's assessment of Neferpitou should come in handy for Netero and his sidekicks. They should be able to make adequate preparations to fight opponents that may well be stronger than them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Also, let us not pretend that the Phantom Troupe aren't prone to moments of carelessness and downright arrogance. Do you not remember what happened to Uvogin? He walked into a head on confrontation with Kurapika without fully comprehending his opponent and ended up dead. Sure they wisened up after that (even then their leader got snatched under their noses), but that doesn't mean Uvo was in any way less of a fighter than the others. He was just the first one to walk into an unexpected situation and be taken by the element of surprise, exactly like Kite. I am sure Kite's demise will cause the other hunters to smarten up but that does not mean they are much 'better' than him as fighters.
Uvo was much more of a genuine fighter than most of the others (not counting Hisoka, naturally, and maybe the swordsman). His fight with Kurapika was a perfect duel they agreed on earlier when they met. There's absolutely nothing wrong about a fighter dying in a duel. After all, out of two, one must die, and they had nothing else going on (Kurapika's was a mission of slaying Spiders or die trying). I'm sure Uvo died as a happy man in that sense, even if the fight might have been a bit unsatisfactory; he was in chains unable to do much for the latter half of it, after all. But that's what nen fights are like. It's vastly different from Kite vs Pitou, because that was a fight with no meaning for Kite. Kite's goal was to slay the Queen before the King was born, or, I'd guess, slay both the Queen and the first and only King if it had been born already. The rest of the ants could and should have waited, being sterile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splash!
You really are applying quite the double standard here. Is the purpose of the duel not to win it? Uvo failed at it, and made quite a few mistakes during the fight to lead him down that path. Further more, he walked squarely into a trap laid out by Kurapika due to his damaged pride of being caught by him in the first place. Kite set out to kill the queen but was stopped in his tracks by someone stronger than him that he had no way of predicting would show up. Even the omniscient audience is left confused by how someone as strong as Neferpitou was born in the first place, given that the queen hasn't really fed on a decent supply of nen users. Kite's mission had as much of a probability of failure as Uvo's duel with Kurapika. Both played the odds and failed, and somehow I am to believe that this demonstrates that Uvo is a better fighter than Kite?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Also, do you believe that Kite's death was somehow preventable if he had been alone? I don't think it would have turned out any differently. He still would have died at Pitou's hands since she was dead set on trying to kill him to test her strength. The only reason Gon and Killua escaped is because killing them would not have served that purpose.
No. Do you know what a duel is? Kite vs Pitou wasn't a duel, it was just a regular fight that happened to happen because Pitou spotted Kite, and if we go down the path of guessing, Kite had no way of avoiding because he was burdened by Gon & Killua. Nor any way of winning because he lost his arm protecting Gon & Killua. Uvo didn't walk into a trap, he walked into a duel. And it was a perfectly honourable one, as far as any duel between different nen users can be. Of course only an idiot or other sort of person wanting die enters a duel without the will to win, but also nobody (sane) enters a duel without the understanding that death is also possible. Uvo even told Kurapika to kill him once it was clear he had lost (but hadn't died yet). That's what a real fighter is like. Kite fell long before he got anywhere near his real objective, totally uselessly.
I think Kite would have acted very differently had Gon & Killua been present. He would have even reached the nest before the roayl guard was born and Rammot would have never escaped, so there would have been practically nothing between him and the Queen. He might have opted to rely on stealth a lot more as well, leaving the soldier ants to the bigger reinforcements arriving later. After all, he didn't need to train himself or prove anything.
Kite fell because he was forced into a duel by a fighter a hell of alot stronger than Kurapika. A monster with the ability to detect enemies at a colossal range and cover a huge amount of distance in a single leap. How the hell is he supposed to even get close to the queen with a shitload of Ants crawling around and get away with it? You make it sound like he could just prance in there without getting detected, slit the queen's throat and just walk out without any problems. Also, Uvogin's fight was as much a trap as it was a duel. Uvo's 'mission' was to eliminate a threat to the spiders (in Kurapika). Failing to do so actually had huge repercussions because it forced the spiders to get sucked into a full on confrontation with the chain user, which resulted in the death of Pakunoda and Chrollo losing his powers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Hah. No. Did you read my post, even though you quoted it? Without Gon & Killua, Kite would have never got drawn into the fight with Pitou, because Pitou would have still been inside the fricking egg! That's because without Gon & Killua Kite wouldn't have had any need to tarry and loiter around. He wouldn't have been distracted from his mission to kill the Queen. Of course it's partially unfair to accuse him of that, but if we assume Kite was a nen master, then it's possible he could have, without Gon & Killua and with both arms, fooled a stupid ant away from the nest and either ambushed it or infiltrated the nest in the mean time. In any case, the situation would have been totally different.
It seems like our interpretations of the Spiders and Uvo are vastly different. Kurapika had done nothing to them at that point, only kidnapped Uvo. Uvo was out only for his own personal revenge and thus he agreed to the formal duel outside of the city. The rest of the Spiders were hardly interested, and they only helped Uvo to guess the places where he might find the chain user because they had nothing better to do and Uvo was a bother. You seem to have forgotten they let Uvo wander out there alone to seek out Kurapika and fight the duel. They only got annoyed when Uvo lost.
I have no idea why you can't understand the principle of a formal duel. Is it because Canada had no such thing? Even the USA had duels between gunslingers, but you guys possibly had nothing?
Seriously, talk about making massive assumptions and guesses and then accusing me of it. You are making a quantum leap by suggesting that Kite could have resolved this whole situation and dealt with the queen long before Pitou had hatched. It is a whole nest of chimera ants we are talking about. Wasn't it you who mentioned a few posts back that he should be extra cautious since he was dealing with the unknown. Why exactly would he rush into the middle of the nest without testing the waters first and figuring out how strong these ants really were? Also, I am assuming your comment about 'fooling a stupid ant away' refers to the queen. So, how exactly was he going to lure away an ant that believes the entire purpose of its existence is to give birth to the king away from its nest. Or maybe you are talking about Pitou, in which case its silly to assume Kite could have lured her away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
You keep bringing up the fact that Rammot got away. That would be a valid criticism if it somehow played a major role in his death. However, as things stand it has very little impact on anything. The ants would have discovered nen anyways due to Pitou's birth, so it was only a matter of time. I am sure that Kite could have dealt with Rammot level nen users if he wanted to, but the fact remains that he knew nothing of the situation that he was walking into. As such, I just don't see him rushing in head first and trying to assassinate the queen.
No need to act so condascending, buddy. I can understand full well what a duel is. However, since you seem so adamant on evaluating Kite's actions by the way in which things turned out (you have repeated this point a few times), it only seemed fair to apply the same standards to Uvo. So far as Kurapika is concerned, the ideal situation would have been for each of the Spiders to challenge him to individual duels so that he could systematically take them out one by one. His ultimate goal definitely wasn't to fight them with honour, but to take them all out. As such, engaging in a one on one duel with Kurapika was a stupid move on Uvo's part that played right into his hands. Do you really think Uvo would have still agreed to an honourable duel if he knew that Kurapika was hiding a spider insta-kill and that his intent was to destroy the rest of the troupe? It was about as stupid for Uvo to try to take on Kurapika alone due to his damaged pride of being caught as it was of Kite to take Gon and Killua along with him. If you really can't see that, I don't know how to make it any more clear.Quote:
I have no idea why you can't understand the principle of a formal duel. Is it because Canada had no such thing? Even the USA had duels between gunslingers, but you guys possibly had nothing?
Also, did you miss the part were Kurapika tricked Uvo into thinking he was a manipulator so that he could trap him using invisible chains. By your own line of reasoning, Uvo can't be that great of a fighter if he was utterly defeated by a noob who only recently learnt about nen.
You are missing my point: Uvo had no other objective than to restore his pride by beating the chain user. Or die trying, since it was a formal duel. Both agreed to meet there and then, and they fought as honourably as nen users can considering they are like wizards who ought to keep a few aces up their sleeves and not go around touting their skills. Every nen user knows that, but still both Uvo and Kurapika agree on the duel. Whether that's smart or not... Well, for a real fighter and a warrior, like Uvo was before he was a thief, there's no shame in acting "stupidly" like that. He would hardly regain his pride by bringing all his comrades with him to ambush Kurapika, although another man, one without a pride, would have likely done that.
There's no argument you can make that would convince me Kite would have done everything similarly even if Gon & Killua hadn't been there. Because that would have meant Kite was no master. And I maintain he was a nen master after a fashion, just no fighter or a soldier. Naturally he would have rushed to the nest because that was the only bloody reason why he entered the country without waiting for the reinforcements. It's not like he wouldn't have known things only get worse for humans the more time the ants are given. But he was continuously delayed and distracted by having Gon & Killua with him.
And no, there's nothing at all the nenless grunts could have done to stop him, even if they had attacked all at once. We already saw that. This royal guard was the only thing that could stop him, so he should have hurried. They were only a single day late. He knew they must hurry (although he didn't know the details), yet they didn't.
I doubt Killua/Gon delayed Kite for a whole day. They took out the centipede and wasp-lady easily enough. Sure, Kite took his down quickly, but they didn't delay him that long. The fight against Lion's henchmen also lasted.. 30mins max? Rammot's fight was also short-lived.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
I agree with Splash that Rammot's case didn't make things any worse for Kite, really.. but it does mean that the entire ant army now knows they can potentially have Nen powers (instead of believing that Pitou was just strong because of devoured-humans/royalty). Pitou perhaps learned some applications of his Nen as well before he started fighting for all we know.
Yeah, I was wondering why they weren't dashing full speed. I'm used to running-arms-dragging-behind-you-Naruto-style when someone says they need to rush. I'll chalk it up to not dashing into enemy territory/traps, since that's the best explanation. "They were sight-seeing" hardly cuts it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I had a feeling Kite wanted to make Gon & Killua ready for facing and fighting the ants and took detours. It's possible if he had been alone he would snatched the first ant he saw and made it reveal the location of the nest, through force or guile. However, now they went here and there and stopped to fight meaningless grunts. Although I admit it's pretty hard to judge just how long their trip took. But we do know that the reinforcements were supposed to took a few days to arrive at some point, but they were already there when Killua got Gon out of the forest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Kite did not know where the nest was. He followed the lion dude, IIRC. He mentioned something to that effect sometime.
I don't think taking the 2 boys delayed Kite enough to allow the birth of the cute Nef, but him losing his arm was definitely caused by protecting those two. Whether that disability caused his death as opposed to his survival will forever remain a mystery.
I will end by point about Uvo by saying this: Getting dragged into a one-on-one confrontation with Kurapika (the guy who demonstrated the ability to restrain him without much effort) because of his damaged pride was not smart. As such, it shows that even the spiders are prone to things getting in the way of their better judgement. Even if Uvo was happy with his decision, it doesn't make it any better. Had he been more patient, things probably wouldn't have turned out so badly for both himself and the rest of his troupe. Also, if there is doubt as to whether or not he played right into Kurapika's hands and this was also a trap, I would refer you to Kurapika's speech at the end of the fight where he explains why he targeted Uvo and how he expected things to turn out. Uvo showing up all alone to challenge him to a duel was pretty much the ideal situation he could have hoped for and gave him the perfect avenue to test the assumptions about his powers as well as take out the strongest fighter type in the troupe. It has been stated several times that in a nen battle, information about your opponent can be everything. Clearly, Kurapika seemed to know more about Uvo than vice versa. Yet Uvo deliberately walked into an unfavorable situation all on his own. It was a mistake the Spiders sought not to repeat when they decided to travel in pairs when hunting down the chain user. Furthermore, they made collecting more information on the chain user their first priority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Kite had no way of knowing that there was nothing that could get in his way, or that none of the royal guards had hatched. The only thing he did know was that they were capable of taking out a nen user like Pokkle at the very least. Going in gung-ho could have very well worked out coincidentally, but it would have been a reckless decision to make, given his limited understanding of the situation. I cannot fault him one bit for proceeding more cautiously (and consequently slowly). In order to figure out what was going on, there was nothing wrong with targeting ants that had strayed away from their nest and scouting at the perimeter of the nest using his long range En. This and locating the nest is what he spent most of his time on anyways.Quote:
And no, there's nothing at all the nenless grunts could have done to stop him, even if they had attacked all at once. We already saw that. This royal guard was the only thing that could stop him, so he should have hurried. They were only a single day late. He knew they must hurry (although he didn't know the details), yet they didn't.
This is still a bit hard to speculate about. It all depends on whether Pitou would have still decided to mind probe Pokkle. Peggy was investigating invisible bullets at the very least, and Zazan talked about special humans being different. Had Pitou still ended up getting the information from Pokkle, the situation with Rammot would have been largely inconsequential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Previously Kurapika had restrained paralyzed Uvo and punched him in the face once when Uvo was chained to a table. So, he hadn't shown much in the way of amazing abilities. Besides, as much as I blame Kite for being careless, getting distracted, and losing sight of the real objective, I still think he was worlds above Uvo in intelligence... Uvo was, no matter how you look at it, a musclehead. Nevertheless, Uvo never lost his own way of living, till the end. Who knows how Kite should be judged in that sense (assuming he's really dead). If you look at Ging's actions and decisions, it's clear he never had any pity left for Gon's suffering or possible death, so it's questionable if Kite was doing right or wrong by going out of his way to look after him. He might have lost his way in that. But then again, he's Kite, not Ging, so he had to make his own decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splash!
That being said, Kite was in a lot tougher situation than Uvo to begin with. He used his head for the most part, but ran into something completely unprecedented. Also, we never got to see Kite reflect on his actions before his death so we don't really know if he actually believed his decisions were wrong. Gon and Killua might have gotten cocky but Kite seemed to remain on edge as he kept mentioning this gut feeling of things not being right in his inner monologue. Who knows, maybe he would have separated himself Gon and Killua sooner if had come across something stronger earlier. Based on the quality of enemies he had encountered so far, he could have very well thought that the kids could serve their purpose in the upcoming confrontation (against lots of ants) and have been of some value. If Gon and Killua could handle themselves against a certain caliber of enemies, it was not a given that they would be totally useless. In fact, even now, having Killua live to tell the tale might in itself be invaluable to Netero & Co.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
There was no way for him to use the sample of ants he had observed to predict something like Neferpitou. There is just too large a discrepancy and he can only plan based on the intel that he has.
Yeah. But with so many unknowns, he should have really considered sending Gon & Killua packing. Especially when he started to get the bad vibes. His intentions were nothing but good and probably he considered himself to be playing a part in Ging's grand and inhuman game to turn Gon into another monster, but logically thinking you should only bring newbies, especially underage ones, on a mission where there are no unknowns to speak of and especially no bigger threat to risk unleashing (this was a mission to stop the ants, not to train Gon & Killua, after all). This mission had nothing but unknown factors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splash!
When he started getting those vibes, they were already too close to the nest. It wouldn't have been prudent to ask them to split, if he actually cared about them as friends. What if they were targeted by an ant that could kill them off but Kite would have been able to deal with. Again, there were unknowns but he was going through the process of collecting information which is about as much as he could hope to do. Who knew that the information he collected would be so misleading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
You wanted him to base his decision on vibes? That would be hardly professional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
You have kicked professionalism out of the door the moment you decided to take two kids with you on a mission of utmost military importance and lethal danger. Besides, I'd say that in a a world of nen, vibes aren't necessarily such a dubious thing to count on if you are a nen master and experienced also otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Life is unfair.
For Kite: Life's a bitch and then you die...
Move on everyone ;)
Episode 86 is out!!
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Aaaaand, so much for not judging by aura, lol. Killua was entirely correct in his assessment. He is also insistent on being stylish wherever he goes. "Experts" and other pro-hunters also seem to agree with Kite's approach.
But more importantly, so much Bisky!!! :3
Netero just confirmed that Neferpitou is stronger. If this is a one Royal Guard, who the hell is going to stand a chance against 3 of them and the king (no doubt several times stronger than Neferpitou)?
He also said there are stronger people than him, and the strength difference means they'll have to resort to some sort of smart idea in order to overcome it. It goes back to Killua's analysis about chances.
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Yeah but it's not going to be as easy as that. So far they have only planned for Neferpitou, who knows what kinds of monsters the other 2 royal guards are? Also, these ants are part human too, which means they should be more than capable of strategizing. This butterfly guy already seems less single minded that Pitou. Right now, they aren't even planning for the worst case scenario that the king hatches which we all know is probably going to happen anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
2 months was the minimum time it'd take for the king to hatch, apparently. I have no idea how they derived that approximation though,Quote:
Originally Posted by Splash!
1.) I hate everyone who writes "Bisky". Itīs pronounced "Biske", so please write exactly that. sigh
2.) I have no idea whatīs supposed to be happen anymore. Netero may state that there are stronger nen-users than him, but I have to wonder who that should be, and how those mysterious super-powers are thought to arrive at the NGL. Just because youīre strong doesnīt mean you care about helping out here.
Also, wtf, so Kite IS alive? What was that scene with Pitou playing with his ... ?severed? head then? Canīt say I like this, as it robs last weekīs episode of its impact.
And then again, how to defeat the royal guard ... and the king, lol. Or worded differently: Who IS stronger than Netero? I donīt think any of the spiders are. Uborgin might have had a small chance, but all the others are too delicate for a fight against monsters. Hisoka? Would be overwhelmed by sheer power. Killuaīs family? They struggled against Crolio. And thatīs it in terms of the strongest known characters. I doubt Ging will enter the fight. That leaves unkown characters and a weird, bullshitty improvement of Gonīs and Killuaīs.
As I see it, Gon and Killua will fight (and defeat?) Pitou, because sheīs personally involved with them. She also seems to be the weakest of the three royal guard members. Again, no idea how the author is going to explain such an enormous power up in such short time to make this victory possible, but itīs what I think will happen.
Fighting the king? Well, I guess we might have to stop thinking so much about "power" here. After all, there are lots of special abilities. So, ability trumps power. See Kurapika. Thinking about it, all this power talk really is stupid. Imagine that black-haired Spider girl with her vacuum. Or the guy the Spiders kidnapped that could hide objects within a mere towel, or something like that. Or, more obvious, imagine Majin Boo transforming Vegeto into a piece of chocolate (even though that backfired). Both we as the readers as well as the characters have to start thinking outside the box again. And then victory IS possible. At least then thereīs a chance. Fighting head on with your fists will bring nothing but doom, sure.
Who's saying they need to fight 1 to 1? If they hadn't taken their sweet time, it's possible the mind reader hadn't hatched yet. They only knew of Neferpitou from Killua's report, so they could have tried to see if just a single enemy had stepped out if provoked (they would have known from Killua's report that Neferpitou is eager to seek a fight). Even if it's two now, it would still be 3 to 2, not such bad odds. However, even they know the odds are only getting worse. This doesn't make much sense if you ask me.
But then again, I still think they should get a bomber to drop canisters of pyrethrin around the nest. Maybe even DDT for good measure, since this is but an isolated case. At the end of the day, it's still insects they are fighting. Why make such a big deal out of it?
Neferpitou's En is so strong she can notice anything within about a 2 Km radius. She is such a monster she would probably trash all three pro's at this point, otherwise yes they would have just lured her out. I don't see how they've been taking their sweet time when you don't really have time reference. For all you know the Chairman could have arrived there ASAP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Running in unprepared could get them killed. See: Kite. When the Chairman is weary enough to fight one royal guard, why would they rush in on two?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Only counter-argument here I suppose is that they would need enough bombers such that Neferpitou couldn't possible strike them all down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Yeah, indeed. Better wait till all three royal guards are out, and maybe even the king. Only then it will be worth it to attack. Bards will still sing of their heroics 100 years later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnage
Assuming Neferpitou could jump high enough to take bombers down (without knowing what they are and why they are there), why not? The hunters could sneak in to slay the Queen while Neferpitou's jumping up and down. Or they could just use rockets to deliver the poison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnage
But this is just silly talk. Obviously each and every ant needs to be beaten to death by hand in a shounen show. I admit it would be a highly anticlimactic ending for this arc if they used insecticides.
All this prepared-or-not-prepared talk is getting tiring. EVERYTIME someone loses, you could say "well, he wasnīt prepared well enough". Itīs idiotic.
Outside of weird shounen-esque rapid power ups, you are who you are. And then itīs all about confidence. You keep walking a certain direction and when you run into something, you manage to deal with it or you donīt. The latter resulting in your death.
There is no kind of preparation that would ever satisfy everybody. Thatīs why Kite wasnīt incompetent. He THOUGHT he was prepared well enough. He wasnīt. So he "died". The same goes for Netero now. Theyīre gathering intel with those ghost bunnies, and when thatīs done, theyīll probably enter the area. The THINK the are prepared well enough. If they die, they werenīt. If they win, they were.
The point is that overthinking it makes no sense for reality. Letīs say Netero was the strongest nen-user. So he sees Pitou and realizes "sheīs stronger". Thereīs nothing more to prepare. He has two options: Engage battle and outsmart her. Or kill himself. Or wait for the Chimera ants to fully conquer the world, which is really the same.
Fuck "preparation".
lol.. that's essentially what Gon said.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
When we saw Kite in the ice coffin, we couldn't see the connection between his head and his body. Pitou suggests that she wants Kite re-animated though.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I'll also write Biscuit as Bisky since that's what Horrible_Subs uses.. and I'm watching that every week. Is there an official English translation for it?
You donīt need an official translation when you have functioning ears. They say "Biske", with an "eh"-sound at the end. "Bisky" would be pronounced completely differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
According to Hunter Wikia:Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Leaving the last sentence aside, her full name is Biscuit. Basically:Quote:
Biscuit Krueger (ビスケット＝クルーガー, Bisuketto Kurūgā) is a professional Treasure Hunter that enlisted in clearing the video game Greed Island following the auction for the game in Yorknew City. She prefers to be called "Bisky."
1) If you believe her full name should be written in romanji, then it's Bisuketto.. and her corresponding nickname would be Bisuke.
2) If you believe her full name should be Anglicised as Biscuit, then her corresponding nickname would be Bisky.
I'm in the latter camp, just as I prefer Shadow Clone Technique to Kagebunshin no Jutsu in my subs. It's not an absolute standard, since I do prefer Onii-chan to Brother (because "Brother" has a religious order feel in my head), but names have a proper meaning or form, I'd like that to be conveyed.
I don't care about anything else aside from Biscuit (and her new hairstyle) now.
You have been the one complaining about running in unprepared. The Chairman couldn't even spot the other royal guard. If they rush in while the enemies are fewer, they also have a higher percentage of making a mistake. As a matter of fact, I don't see the point when the Chairman readily admits he would lose in a fight to Pitou. He would simply be throwing his life away to accomplish nothing, because the rest of the ants are so strong they can probably take on pro-hunters themselves. Gon and Killua could barely finish off a lieutenant who hadn't even realized his nen powers. And the Hunter Asssociation doesn't want to throw away too many of its professionals who might become food and make the Ants even stronger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
I think its safe to assume she can, considering the instant leap she made last episode. You're assuming the Ants couldn't take down rockets. In fact, you're assuming a lot about the Ant's limitations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Maybe... or he just walked into view after the Chairman stopped looking. Pitou didn't know his name, so he was probably just born (as in.. a few minutes ago).Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnage
Regarding Bisuke... There's another play on words with french slang word "biscottos" meaning biceps (or more generally muscles). Just sharing ;)
Pitou has perhaps the craziest motivation I've ever heard for developing healing powers.
"I want to revive him so I can kill him again!"
Maybe Kite will be back. But I'm honestly surprised the Queen isn't insisting on eating him.
I already hate hair chick...alot. She's fucking creepy AND she makes every scene she's in boring by blathering.
Exactly, they have all the strengths of the animals that make them up(and much more so in the case of the Royal Guards). If those animals aren't killed by simple bug spray, then neither will the Ants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnage
The chairman is a badass and has two other badasses with him. That's quite a bit different compared to one badass walking in with two kids in tow. Even with Killua's warning, I still find it funny they seem to be far more careful and unhurried than Kite, despite their superior power. It makes Kite look all the worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnage
"Their superior power"
lol, your Kite-hate knows no boundaries. One assumption after another.
You make it sound like none of the squad captains even exist and they would be nothing more than cannon fodder if they were engaged simultaneously. Kite may have crushed a bunch of inconsequential ants but he didn't face a single one with nen powers (before Pitou). With Pitou having the other ants go through the awakening process, it becomes exponentially harder to rush in. While Netero & Co. may be able to dispatch them one by one (which seems like what they are planning), what makes you think they could take on all of them simultaneously together with the Royal Guards. You know what Morel said about a battle between nen users going either way applies to the Ants too, it isn't just a saving grace for the good guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Even before all of this however, you have to factor in what THEY know and don't. They DON'T know how strong the rest of the ants are (even the weak ones), because they can't even get close enough to the nest. They DON'T know that there are other royal guards around or not. All they know is that better ants hatch as the amount and quality of their food increases, and that the King is possibly a couple of months away of hatching. That and there being at least one ant as strong as Neferpitou. Given this, why would they go "Oh gee, lets just rush in now because we don't have a minute to spare" when they could inadvertently end up contributing to ants' food supply and screw the whole world over in the process. Only the viewer is aware of how rapidly things are unfolding, the characters themselves don't know jack shit. What you call 'taking their sweet time' is them trying to get better grasp of the situation (because they don't know much).
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Wait! Did you just say Kite looks worse for hurrying too much? Weren't you complaining about how he didn't just rush and deal with it all before Neferpitou hatched? Seems like whatever happens, he looks worse...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Well obviously since they know someone on Kite's level was outclassed, they're going to be cautious. You are:
A.) Underestimating Kite's professionalism, of someone who gained Ging's respect.
B.) Claiming the Chairman and the two "badasses" should rush in unprepared after full well knowing they'd die with their current preparation.
C.) Comparing Kite's decisions to the Chairman, who has after-the-fact knowledge of the situation.
It's relative between these two groups. Kite was taking too much time, allowing the first royal guard to hatch. Netero & Co are taking too much time, allowing the ants grow even more strong. Kite's lack of care is more complicated than these fellows', though, because obviously this new trio is far stronger, so they shouldn't need to be so afraid, which is what Gon said and I agree with. It's not like they could simply decide it's too much trouble and risk and go back home. The situation is like that of soldiers in war: There's no choice but to fight and the things worse by day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splash!
Well, I guess I was wrong to say this makes Kite look worse; he was the one with less information, after all.
A) Unfortunately nothing will save his level of professionalism in my eyes. He made too big mistakes. Unless getting killed and resurrected to fight again was a part of his plans...Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnage
B) How on Earth are they unprepared when they have had far more time and information to get prepared than Kite and have far more power at their disposal (not counting Gon & Killua's plot armour for fairness sake).
C) Kite utterly failed at his mission, and will never be able to say he really tried his best - because he didn't. What else is there to say? Excuses, perhaps, but nobody's interested in excuses.
We haven't yet seen enough of Netero's decisions that I could really criticize him, and so I can hope he will throw some of his caution to the winds and go kicks ass before things get out of hand for good. No matter how powerful Pitou is, it's still utterly inexperienced and probably arrogant after beating Kite so promptly. Contrary to what Splash suggested, there's no need to take them all at once because Pitou already proved it will jump to action alone if given a chance. Draw that one out, beat it 3 to 1 and then confront the rest with suitable tactics.
Ugh, are we still talking about this.
The problem is that you're complaining about everything on the premise of assumptions that no one could even verify at this point. How do you know the three of them combined could beat Pitou? You don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
If they can't, the world of humans is finished, unless some Deus ex machina suddenly appear out of nowhere to save the day. So, yeah, I make such assumptions readily. I guess there would be other possibilities, such as the ants' DNA finally having reached too much instability due to excessive combination of different species and their cells starting to spontaneously decompose, but I believe seeing good fights would be slightly more exciting. In the end nobody has any choice but to fight, now matter how worried they are. So, like Gon said, why delay the inevitable? Netero isn't growing any younger either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnage
Netero said that he was less than half of what he used to be, and that he is no longer the top hunter in the world.
That would make Ging, Chrollo (with nen), and the Zoldyck head the top nen users in the world. Shouldn't they try to hire the Zoldycks at least?
Was it ever said that the ones besides Ging were top?Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta
Nah, I just guessed. It seems perfectly reasonable though, because Chrollo is the head of the spiders and the Zoldycks went toe to toe with him.
Unless characters like Ging are more powerful than all the ants combined still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
I certainly hope Ging, being as legendary as he is, would be more than a match for the likes of Pitou, in power and especially experience. But I have a feeling we won't be seeing that man during this arc.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
In fact I think there should be more insanely powerful individuals out there, unless this is the last fighting arc of the series. They might not be hunters, though, since nobody has mentioned any names. They would also be irrelevant to this arc, as apparently a humanoid ant colony eating a big portion of one nation's population and ultimately threatening to spread to the rest of the world isn't big enough news in the world of this story, so few know of it. Or perhaps it's not such a big threat after all, and that's why nobody's really worried.
While I can but laugh at most of Kracoīs complaints, that oneīs valid: Experience.
I said in the past that the Chimera Ants made up experience with natural combat skills, just like new born mammals know how to drink from their motherīs tit. You just "know".
But even then, there should be a significant difference between a new born fighter and somebody whoīs unraveled most of nenīs mysteries. Especially nen, which, while the Chimeras can use it now, isnīt something theyīre instantly familiar with.
Thatīs where Iīd love to see some flashback to Kiteīs fight against Pitou. Even with just one arm, he should have been able to do something. Sure, in a raw fist fight, Pitou would be unstoppable. But high-level fights arenīt about raw power (unless you reach a certain level at the very top where raw power becomes the only important aspect a gain, lol).
Nef loved the fight enough to wanna redo it, so I bet it was neck and neck the entire time, with Kite only having one arm. You would not want a rematch against someone not on your level.
We are talking about a bitch that clearly loved to poke the brain of a paralyzed person. Neferpitou probably just wants to kill Kite in 100 different ways. It's love, ant style.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
It's curiosity, playfulness and cruelty, cat style.
This.....Quote:
Originally Posted by TwisT
Episode 87 is out!!
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Seeing Knuckle freak out about Gon's punch was my favourite part of this episode.
I just dunno ... will it be enough? I guess in terms of defeating Knuckle, weīll have a "now strip off your heavy training clothes"-Dragonball Z-moment - at some point, Biske will allow Gon and Killua to get proper rest before another attempt and then theyīll suddenly overwhelm Knuckle.
But somehow, that doesnīt feel like itīd be enough to return to the NGL. Unless the training theyīre doing with keeping up their nen is something highly difficult, something dangerous, that your normal run-of-the-mill hunters wouldnīt ever manage to do.
My favorite moment: Gon admitting that they cannot always rely on sheer will power to win a battle.
How long does it take to add an extra 10mins to your Ren? Did Bisky say 1 month last time?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Gon/Killua did an extra 125mins within 10 days or so.
Biskeīs nen power is total hax, anyway. Insta-regeneration. Itīll only be more hax when Pitou actually manages to revive Kite. To be honest, I hope it fails. Reviving someone clearly dead brings the whole afterlife-bullshit, which, if youīre lacking a fleshed-out concept for it, is only silly.
Itīs why the reviving in Dragonball is good, and why itīs fuckdumb in Naruto.
It seems to me Neferpitou will resurrect Kite, who will then defeat Neferpitou. What's the point otherwise? Kite can then afterwards grab a bag of potato chips and proclaim: Just as planned!
Gon & Killua's training ought to give them good chances against opponents below the royal guards, especially assuming they attack 2 vs 1. Actually beating royal guards would seem like a stretch at this point.