orochimaru's ambition theory is flawed

Orochimaru initially wants sasuke for his sharingan, so he could learn all ninjutsu, which was his goal right?

But seeing how he transfers to another body, the aging process is still there. That means that eventually sasuke's body will die of age. So with 50+ years in sasuke left, it doesn't seem like it's enough to learn all 'jutsu'.

Afterwards he'd just have to find another body, and then he'd lose the sharingan. Since only 2 uchiha members are left, he'd have to take Itachi or something, but Itachi is older than sasuke as well.

I do acknowledge that in the end he's going to lose in some form anyway.

...its not flawed. Think about it... even tho sasuke's body is not immortal, at least oro can use the sharingan to learn(copy) jutsu much FASTER than a regular body.

Besides, nobody has said that the receiving body becomes "sterile", if you catch my drift... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

in a matter of like, 10 years, kakashi learned thouseands of jutsus

maybe oro wont learn ALL of them, but he'll learn a huge portion. If sasuke is the youngest and last of the uchiha, then its not like oro has any better option.
however, learning all the BLOODLINES of the world would be a bit more of a problem

Ori want all the jutsu, not all bloodline limit.

Take over sasuke -> copy jutsu -> have a child in sasuke's body -> repeat

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Originally posted by: gaidensensei
Orochimaru initially wants sasuke for his sharingan, so he could learn all ninjutsu, which was his goal right?

But seeing how he transfers to another body, the aging process is still there. That means that eventually sasuke's body will die of age. So with 50+ years in sasuke left, it doesn't seem like it's enough to learn all 'jutsu'.

Afterwards he'd just have to find another body, and then he'd lose the sharingan. Since only 2 uchiha members are left, he'd have to take Itachi or something, but Itachi is older than sasuke as well.

I do acknowledge that in the end he's going to lose in some form anyway.

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he can reproduce, END of story.

some jutsus require bloodlimits for them to be performed

if oro wasnt interested in blood limits, then why would he have wanted kimimaro?

Yeah, but if Sasuke's body gets those creepy Oro eyes, he's gonna have a hard time finding anybody to get it on with. And who is to say that Oro is straight? He WAS in a womans body...all that estrogen must have had SOME effect...

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Originally posted by: Haku no Fuyu
Yeah, but if Sasuke's body gets those creepy Oro eyes, he's gonna have a hard time finding anybody to get it on with. And who is to say that Oro is straight? He WAS in a womans body...all that estrogen must have had SOME effect...

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we all know orochimaru is not going to live that long. so dont worry about it.

i have no doubt in mind that if orochimaru had sharingan he can learn MOST non-bloodline jutsus in the naruto world considering that he is labeled as the genius of the already incredible sannin.

i wouldn't be suprised if he's figured out some bloodline jutsu already.
he could learn MOST non-bloodline jutsus with sharingan, considering he would have an ARSENAL of jutsu anyway.

your debunking was flawed!

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Originally posted by: kAi
i wouldn't be suprised if he's figured out some bloodline jutsu already.
he could learn MOST non-bloodline jutsus with sharingan, considering he would have an ARSENAL of jutsu anyway.

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So, your theory is that some blood line limit only jutsus can be learned or emulated to a certain level?
This contradicts some of the earlier discussion sessions.......

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Originally posted by: Psyke

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Originally posted by: kAi
i wouldn't be suprised if he's figured out some bloodline jutsu already.
he could learn MOST non-bloodline jutsus with sharingan, considering he would have an ARSENAL of jutsu anyway.

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So, your theory is that some blood line limit only jutsus can be learned or emulated to a certain level?
This contradicts some of the earlier discussion sessions.......

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Orochimaru seems to be into biological experimentation, though... perhaps he's not only interested in creating the ultimate ninja mind (i.e. knowledge of jutsus), but also the ultimate ninja body (by combining important bloodlines, if possible, in a single body by means of genetics)?

when i say figured out i mean like Phoenix23 said. biological experimentation, remember when sandaime goes down and sees orochimaru's experiments and then he runs off. it's possible that orochimaru has already figured out some bloodline jutsu.

why would the cloud want the hyuga if not to figure out the byakugen and their jutsu's.
orochimaru wanted kimimaro's body, and you see kabuto and orochimaru talking (can't remember where) and kabuto said if he had more info he could figure out the secret (something like that ).

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Originally posted by: kAi
why would the cloud want the hyuga if not to figure out the byakugen and their jutsu's.
orochimaru wanted kimimaro's body, and you see kabuto and orochimaru talking (can't remember where) and kabuto said if he had more info he could figure out the secret (something like that ).

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so they could transplant it the same way kakshi got his shaingan (they didn't know about the seal that locks it upon death)

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Orochimaru initially wants sasuke for his sharingan, so he could learn all ninjutsu, which was his goal right?

But seeing how he transfers to another body, the aging process is still there. That means that eventually sasuke's body will die of age. So with 50+ years in sasuke left, it doesn't seem like it's enough to learn all 'jutsu'.

Afterwards he'd just have to find another body, and then he'd lose the sharingan. Since only 2 uchiha members are left, he'd have to take Itachi or something, but Itachi is older than sasuke as well.

I do acknowledge that in the end he's going to lose in some form anyway.

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oro could breed useind sasukes body and when the body dies the could implant the sharingans in his sobordinates they go off and learn jutsus bring them back he learns the jutsus from them and so on an army of sharingan users all seeking out jutsus would be a great advantage in his quest

as for blood limits the shaingans a blood limit and it can be transplanted so there could be a way to transplant others

Cut out Sasukes Eyes and stick em' in your own just like kakashi

(one of you prolly said it)

ah but that would stop oro from using the sharingan as a major weapon because he wouldnt have access to the mangekyou (sp?) as was previously stated the user must have full uchiha blood, so whether an offspring from sasukes body could use it is debatable because it wouldnt be full uchiha, the best way would be to try to clone sasukes body, or who knows he might find a better vessel in the next 50 years

resurect some female uchiha let them have sex with Itachi or Sasuke, and there we go a perfectly good body for taking [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

but then orochimaru would get the shit kicked out of by Itachi or Sasuke seeing as his arms are dead (or do they come back i havent watched that far yet :S)

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Originally posted by: gaidensensei
Orochimaru initially wants sasuke for his sharingan, so he could learn all ninjutsu, which was his goal right?

But seeing how he transfers to another body, the aging process is still there. That means that eventually sasuke's body will die of age. So with 50+ years in sasuke left, it doesn't seem like it's enough to learn all 'jutsu'.

Afterwards he'd just have to find another body, and then he'd lose the sharingan. Since only 2 uchiha members are left, he'd have to take Itachi or something, but Itachi is older than sasuke as well.

I do acknowledge that in the end he's going to lose in some form anyway.

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you do know that while orochimaru is in sasukes body he can bone any chick he imprisons and then she can give birth to lots of small uchiha kids and each of them is a possible sharingan kid. not all that hard i guess.