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These are several questions and theories about the 4th that get me p...ed
Is the 4th alive?
How did he survive battle with kyuubi?
Is he trapped inside naruto along with kyuubi?
i thought about adding this as a post on my previous topic but at least one of these questions are asked in most threads so i decided to put them in a tread all of there own.
My take on these are well known to those who've read my previous topic but im about to contradict myself a little.
Im pretty new to these forums so i don't know if this as ever been said but im sure people have thought about the teory that the 4th is alive and is in fact the head of akatsuki.
Or maybe its not kyuubi akatsuki want but infact the 4th .If as some people have said the 4th is trapped in side naruto maybe they want to release him for some reason and not kyuubi. why? well i havn't thought of that maybe you have some ideas
Although they don't totaly contradict my last topic (naruto meets his dad in battle) but simply changes the circumstances in which the battle comes to pass. Where as with my first theory and the 4th being head of akatsuki theory a pysical battle would be possible. However with the 4th being in side naruto along with kyuubi theory it would be more along the lines of a battle of wills and consiousness that would take place inside naruto between the 3 of them for control over the boby. Three souls all fighting for control of the same body. Now i've really got you confused havn't i
As for surviving the battle maybe he didn't use the same jutsu as the 3rd but a viriation of it known only to him in truth the only way we're gonna find out is to wait but it is fun to speculate.
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Oh it's you again asking these weird questions.
I must say I didn't know that people REALLY think that way. They always sounded so stupid that I naturally thought that they were half-kidding.
But as for your questions.
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How did he survive battle with kyuubi?
Is he trapped inside naruto along with kyuubi?
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#1: No, as far as we know the 4th died in the battle against Kyubi. The Sealing jutsu killed him. If you want to see again my own questions and thoughts about that then see this Naruto meets his father in battle - or something thread (hope this works http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_gap.gif )
#2: Check above
#3: No he isn't check above. I have thoughts about it too there.
For the long text:
It's hard for me to read that kind of text. It's full of strange ideas and isn't well constructed like my text http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif .
Tell me. WHY THE HELL would THE FOURTH, the man who loved Konoha so much, the embodiment of goodwill, be a part or leader of a cruel and malicious terrorist organisation?
Now that I've said this the theory sounds pretty stupid. Unless...
The Akatsuki isn't really a terrorist group but is trying to destroy evil governments and use the Kyubi for good of all humanity.
Then next. Come on, come on! I'm getting warmed up! http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/huh.gif
Why would the Akatsuki a terrorist organisation want someone as good person as the 4th? And because he is already taken care of in away they have no reason to hunt him. And the words speaks of that too. BUT of course the theory said earlier applies to this also. Though I don't know why would Itachi lie, he has no reason to.
The third one:
WT...!!! You aren't making any sense. If there was some kind of battle of will or such then Naruto would already be in control of Kyubi, and I don't see that that has happened.
The fourth one:
Check my other post in the other thread. Oh I'll just write it here. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/dry.gif
If the jutsu is different...
Then how come the third says something like this "I guess I'll have to use the third's technicue." And that clearly implies that he is talking about the jutsu the 3rd used to seal Kyubi. It could be otherwise, but the propability of that is very slim .
Please don't be offended in any way if I have said something to upset you.
Wasn't my intention. And of course I could all wrong with these theories, and I could be the one with strange ideas. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/happy.gif
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</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Kyubi Naruto @ Feb 27 2004, 02:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Oh it's you again asking these weird questions.
I must say I didn't know that people REALLY think that way. They always sounded so stupid that I naturally thought that they were half-kidding.
But as for your questions.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Is the 4th alive?
How did he survive battle with kyuubi?
Is he trapped inside naruto along with kyuubi?
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#1: No, as far as we know the 4th died in the battle against Kyubi. The Sealing jutsu killed him. If you want to see again my own questions and thoughts about that then see this Naruto meets his father in battle - or something thread (hope this works http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_gap.gif )
#2: Check above
#3: No he isn't check above. I have thoughts about it too there.
For the long text:
It's hard for me to read that kind of text. It's full of strange ideas and isn't well constructed like my text http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif .
Tell me. WHY THE HELL would THE FOURTH, the man who loved Konoha so much, the embodiment of goodwill, be a part or leader of a cruel and malicious terrorist organisation?
Now that I've said this the theory sounds pretty stupid. Unless...
The Akatsuki isn't really a terrorist group but is trying to destroy evil governments and use the Kyubi for good of all humanity.
Then next. Come on, come on! I'm getting warmed up! http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/huh.gif
Why would the Akatsuki a terrorist organisation want someone as good person as the 4th? And because he is already taken care of in away they have no reason to hunt him. And the words speaks of that too. BUT of course the theory said earlier applies to this also. Though I don't know why would Itachi lie, he has no reason to.
The third one:
WT...!!! You aren't making any sense. If there was some kind of battle of will or such then Naruto would already be in control of Kyubi, and I don't see that that has happened.
The fourth one:
Check my other post in the other thread. Oh I'll just write it here. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/dry.gif
If the jutsu is different...
Then how come the third says something like this "I guess I'll have to use the third's technicue." And that clearly implies that he is talking about the jutsu the 3rd used to seal Kyubi. It could be otherwise, but the propability of that is very slim .
Please don't be offended in any way if I have said something to upset you.
Wasn't my intention. And of course I could all wrong with these theories, and I could be the one with strange ideas. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/happy.gif </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
i thought i was the only lunatic around and your right i do ask weird questions http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif
but no im no im not in the least bit offended im just realy sick of those question appearing all over the place so i thought id put them in a tread to see what people have to say
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i dont want to read everything in this thread i will just answer your questions.
no 4th is not alive.
he didnt survive kyuubi battle they tell you in the begining that he died...
no he is not.
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the 4th is as dead as one can be..
i'm usually pretty understanding about theories, but every theory that claimes the 4th is alive - I immediatly categorize as 'idiotic'..
the 4th's role in the story was established, he's dead.
Nothing can change that fact, and i haven't seen one theory that has even speculation to support itself.
for every '4th hokage is still alive' theory, i present the following questions:
> How did he survive the 'giving your soul to death' jutsu?
> Why did he leave\went undercover? if he would have returned then he would have been considered even more great, as the man that dealed with Kyubi and survived. and besides, he said that Naruto should be treated as a hero, why couldn't he stay to make sure of that?
> Why should he come back? he was abcent of the village for 13 years, why come back now?
There are half reasonable thories, like that his soul is still alive inside Naruto (so where was he in the soul talk? there wasn't even a hint of him there, and Kishimoto wouldn't just draw such an important scene without considering everything), or that Naruto is his reincreation (which goes against the theme of the story, and leaves too many techincal questions open), i disagree with them, but i admit that they are possible, sort of...
The kyubi vs Naruto battle theory is intersting (old but intersting), i guess it could turn true that Kyubi will be released from Naruto (either by akatsuki or natrual means), but i can't see him taking over his body, cuz even in the most Kyubi intense situation (Haku fight), Naruto was still according to his goals, AKA - beating the enemy down. and from that point on, Naruto seems to be more in control everytime he goes Kyubi, besides, Kyubi didn't look so "evil" when they talked, he seemed half pissed off and half amused...
i can see a scenrio in which Naruto battles the Kyubi, but only if Naruto is Hokage and seals the fox inside his son, just that this time his son will really be treated as a hero, showing that history can change and you aren't confinded to destiney.
About Akatsuki, i believe that Naruto's mother should be a part of them, maybe even the leader, nothing works better than throwing a family member as psychopat to get some drama in the story.
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but no im no im not in the least bit offended im just realy sick of those question appearing all over the place so i thought id put them in a tread to see what people have to say </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I wasn't talking just about you so my comments weren't directed at you, but to all who make these kind of comments seriously. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/happy.gif
And yes I realized that you don't make these silly assumptions, you are trying to en them. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/cool.gif
I was talking in general. OOPS that will put me on some more people's hit list http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif .
O_O Death BOO Z I like your theories, although I do think of them as not likely, but very good and interesting theory nonentheless(was it typed correctly?).
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most of you may have read my last topic so you know my possition on the matter i just started this topic so we could dispel the myth that the 4th is still alive .ive heard so ridiculous stuff like kakashi i really the 4th or some the above mentioned i just thought it would be a good idea for people to put forward there possiton so these muppets would shut up
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AMEN! You're a welcomed member, we need more like you, who don't speak bullshit. Just don't flame people too much or let praises get to your head
But on the otherhand I LOVE bullshit so I'd like more that too.
(Lol, by bullshit I of course mean Cockamamy speculation, and there is nothing wrong with that, I love it, I was just making a stupid joke about you CockS http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif )
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</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Next Hokage @ Feb 27 2004, 04:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> most of you may have read my last topic so you know my possition on the matter i just started this topic so we could dispel the myth that the 4th is still alive .ive heard so ridiculous stuff like kakashi i really the 4th or some the above mentioned i just thought it would be a good idea for people to put forward there possiton so these muppets would shut up </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
no offence kermit
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why post long ass posts about this everybody know that the 4th is dead. ust shut up already!!!!
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The one I like most is this reincarnation thing.
To reincarnate you have to be - first of all - dead. The nine tails was sealed inside naruto when he was already born and a baby. Therefor the 4th was at that time at least 9 months dead.
OK, how did he perform the seal, being dead and so.
Just an example, but so far about every theory of this type can be broken in 3 lines.
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Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya you really need to watch out for your blood pressure. Take it easy. I only wrote 'cause of the possibility of such retarded beings. (no offense to you retarded http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif )
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i didnt say anythin to you i said to everyone that posted.. everybody wrote long answers when there is no need to do it.
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Is the fourth alive? No.
How did he survive against kyubi? He didn't.
Is fourth sealed in Naruto? Who knows, IMO, he is not, if he is, Kyubi might have ate him already.
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but no im no im not in the least bit offended im just realy sick of those question appearing all over the place so i thought id put them in a tread to see what people have to say </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
they are all over the place because they learned that there is no need into making it in one thread. 4rth akatsuki?............... why would the 4th be the head of akatsuki................................you know, you should give reasons to justify your speculation..
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</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jing @ Feb 28 2004, 09:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Is the fourth alive? No.
How did he survive against kyubi? He didn't.
Is fourth sealed in Naruto? Who knows, IMO, he is not, if he is, Kyubi might have ate him already.
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but no im no im not in the least bit offended im just realy sick of those question appearing all over the place so i thought id put them in a tread to see what people have to say </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
they are all over the place because they learned that there is no need into making it in one thread. 4rth akatsuki?............... why would the 4th be the head of akatsuki................................you know, you should give reasons to justify your speculation.. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
people should read the entire thing i don't believe these they were just things i've heard people say i just put them here so muppets that do have somewhere they can im just not very good at putting my thoughts into words my position was made clear in may previous thread
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