Gundams

I just finished watching episode 43 and started thinking about the Gundams in this series and came to the conclusion that most of them Suck.

When I saw the Freedom come out and flex its muscle in the original series I was awestruck as to the sheer power it had. In this New series the Gundam that was supposed to be THE Gundam of the series, the Destiny was pathetic. It has some power but compared to all the other Gundams its nothing special.

Now when I saw the Strike Freedom, I was weary because I loved the original but it was even batter than the original. Though I have never been one for any mobile suit with a abdomen cannon or face cannon because it reminds me of the Fem Bots from Austin powers with their nipple guns.

Now to the Justice, I never thought this Gundam was anything special in either series, it never seemed to be overly unique like the Freedom or have the firepower. Am I alone in that judgement??

I am curious to hear what all of you have to say about the Gundams in this show.

justice is very refined like a samurai sword that has been built carefully and sharpened and perfected. i mean it has beamswords on its legs which is pretty sweet. it has a subflight lifter which it is the only one to have. not to mention its has a beam holder shield and a grapple cannon. and 2 more beamswords on the subflight lifter. freedom's chest cannon isnt uniqe cuz its from calmity. calamity also has shoulder guns. its draggons are from providence, akatasuki also has torso guns (now im not saying its not uniqe, im just saying ur sorta defining it wrong). justice doesnt havemuch firepower as we should say, its has more slicing power. freedom couldnt hurt destiny but justice did. freedom is more of a crowd control SUPER uber range gundam justice is more of a 1v1 beamsword up the wazzo and beams falling outta his ass bot. they both have different purposes. now freedom is more flashy, cuz lasers and flasher than swinging beamswords... doesnt mean its worse. it seems u are very attractied to flashy stuff lol. like omg SO SWEET LOOK AT THOSE LASERS!!!!!! which isnt bad. im personally more of a omg so speedously fast, so precise with that slicing action! i am not impressed by guns or cannons cuz they always seem so useless in 1v1s ( i mean the good piolts like never get shot, they always get sliced. the final battle is always a beamsword fight, in which justice excells in) if u read the other posts about athurn vs kira and about freedom and justice, most ppl like them equally, as do i basically(although if i HAD to pick one id pick justice). they are both friggin sweet. freedom is just flashier, not as precise as justice.

Justice is the first gundam swiss army knife

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Originally posted by: RodimusT
I just finished watching episode 43 and started thinking about the Gundams in this series and came to the conclusion that most of them Suck.

When I saw the Freedom come out and flex its muscle in the original series I was awestruck as to the sheer power it had. In this New series the Gundam that was supposed to be THE Gundam of the series, the Destiny was pathetic. It has some power but compared to all the other Gundams its nothing special.

Now when I saw the Strike Freedom, I was weary because I loved the original but it was even batter than the original. Though I have never been one for any mobile suit with a abdomen cannon or face cannon because it reminds me of the Fem Bots from Austin powers with their nipple guns.

Now to the Justice, I never thought this Gundam was anything special in either series, it never seemed to be overly unique like the Freedom or have the firepower. Am I alone in that judgement??

I am curious to hear what all of you have to say about the Gundams in this show.

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Chest or abdomen beam cannon is nothing special, been used in many Gundam shows before.
Infinite Justice is nice Gundam. And packed to the boot. Suits Athrun.

just because SF has all those guns doesn't mean it's unstoppable, a good pilot like athrun might be able to dodge them, the show just makes SF hit everything with his beams to make it look "godly". IJ on the otherhand is packed with lots of beamswords and a flightpack and with the skills of athrun it can be deadly and capable of millions of strategies with it's leg and flightpack beamswords and the flightpack can be controlled too and it has 2 beam cannons in it so you can distract your opponent with the flightpack and then sneak up on him and tear him to shreds, it's hella fast too

Yea great work calling Freedom "original" and "cool" when calling Justice "not special". Seriously Freedom got some fire power so what? Justice is the shit, it got a detachable flightpack which it can use for tactics. Infinite Justice is even better it got Beam swords everywhere.

Freedom and Justice was quite balanced, Justice was a little bit better in close range and Freedom a little bit better on a distance, with IJ and SF they took this and made SF into a long range unit and IJ to a short range suit.

Still Justice is the more original one, i have never seen beam swords on the wings of a flight pack and never seen beam swords between a suits knee and foot. Dragoons are already old, there have been new-types with that kind of weapon before only now they said that every idiot can control them and put them on Freedom. Yea thats original eh?

First off I find it amusing that nobody is commenting on destiny at all. Mostly because its been quite possibly the sadest gundam ever introduced for a main character. Sure it took out 4 destroys but then again they showed Lunamaria take one down her first time in Impulse given with a little help from legend. So I think its fairly safe to say that Destiny is horrible not only has it been damaged already by Athrun and Kira but its weapons are nothing more then sticking all the things from the impulse packs onto one backpack.

As for freedom I simply find it the most appealing Gundam visually. Yes its powerful and Kira is a exceptional pilot but when it comes down to it Justice is just ugly and out of proportion in compairison. This shows most in the flight pack which to me atleast is just plain hideous. Given Justice is powerful in its own right its not the kind of backbreaker that Strike Freedom is to an opposing army I just can't see justice taking out dozens of suits simply due to its short range weapons. Given we have not seen Justice in action yet with Athrun in perfect condition so chances are it will impress me more at a later time.

Legend on the other hand is nothing more then another providence once again its backpack makes it look just plain silly and the fact that it was orignally given to Athrun is just a testiment to the fact Gil intended it for Rei there isn't a single weapon on the suit that even remotely seems suitable for Athrun.

Oh and I don't feel like talking about shiney gundam as its basically take aile strike gold plate it and add rail guns. Note it could also be a gold plated justice with railguns its hard to tell with it being so shiney.

essentially my breakdown is as follows based on looks alone.
1. Strike Freedom
2. Destiny
3. Infinate Justice/Legend

Power wise atleast so far I'd list them as follows.
1. Strike Freedom
2. Infinate Justice (note this is likely even with SF however so far it has done nothing all that special)
3. Legend/Destiny (likely destiny should be lower as its been simply pathetic so far and Shin seems completely unable to retrieve a beam boomarang after throwing it. That said atleast legend hasn't taken any real damage even if it hasn't done anything)

Destiny is definitely not "horrible".

Lunamaria took out a Destroy along with help from Legend, but Destiny took out 4. That's a pretty big difference.

I personally prefer Destiny over both SF & IJ, as they are both just the same suit as Kira & Athrun had before but with a few added shiny parts which makes fanboys drool. A lot of people call Destiny shit because it's introduction wasn't "cool". Nor does it have it's own theme song. But who gives a shit? This is supposed to be a war drama first and foremost. Destiny didn't have a flashy introduction but at least it brings something new (mainly thinking of the rainbow wings) as opposed to the other main character suits which are just pitiful in originality (how can we improve Freedom? I know, let's give it funnels!). Fuck that.

Destiny FTW

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Originally posted by: RodimusT
I just finished watching episode 43 and started thinking about the Gundams in this series and came to the conclusion that most of them Suck.

When I saw the Freedom come out and flex its muscle in the original series I was awestruck as to the sheer power it had. In this New series the Gundam that was supposed to be THE Gundam of the series, the Destiny was pathetic. It has some power but compared to all the other Gundams its nothing special.

Now when I saw the Strike Freedom, I was weary because I loved the original but it was even batter than the original. Though I have never been one for any mobile suit with a abdomen cannon or face cannon because it reminds me of the Fem Bots from Austin powers with their nipple guns.

Now to the Justice, I never thought this Gundam was anything special in either series, it never seemed to be overly unique like the Freedom or have the firepower. Am I alone in that judgement??

I am curious to hear what all of you have to say about the Gundams in this show.

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I like Destiny...

It seems that out of all the new Gundams it has the least amount of Firepower...but heck Shinn only needs the anti-ship sword and the rest is history...

As much as I like SF, Legend and IJ...Destiny has grown to become my favourite...

Maybe it's because he wields the anti-ship sword like it's a beam saber...who knows...but it's definitely my favourite.

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Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Destiny is definitely not "horrible".

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I'm not going only by the introduction and lack of theme music. Considering that Destiny's accomplishment is that it took out 4 destroys which overall considering even Stellar in a destroy was essentially nothing to both Kira and Shinn when it showed up. Note Shinn cut open the cockpit on the first attempt and Freedom took absolutely no damage from it. I'm not overly impressed by something they essentially showed that any of the main characters could do in there respective Gundams they started the series in. Although it is noted neither Rey or Athrun had working MS's in which they could try it.

I'm just disappointed in the suit as its been showed to be no better then essentially Strike at the beginning of Gundam seed. Its so far run out of power, taken major damage and essentially made no differnce in the battle against orb as soon as a named pilot showed up. Given it was Kira who as you have stated has really been shown as sort of godley but still even Calgari in her shiney Gundam made a noteable differnce in the battle even with her piss poor skills. I just see nothing truely desireable.

What I mean is that just because it isn't SF, it isn't horrible.
It might not be as good as the other new suits, but I wouldn't call it bad by any means.

Akatsuki is sort of "IDDQD" kind of suit if you ever played DOOM.
If it would not have reflective coating Shinn would've taken it out with first shot.
Check episode 40 once again - Shinn aimed directly at cockpit!
Cagalli did not block that shot.
Next shot - head. Also not blocked.
Shinn moves in for melee with his basic charge, Cagalli blocks it.
Next attack with beam boomerang - left arm lost.
Then Kira interferes, saving Cagalli. Otherwise Shinn would've sliced her to pieces.

I still like Sword Impulse the most. Probably because it had "cool" introduction in ep 1 /shrug
Gaia is close to it, i like 4-legged beast form.

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Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
Justice is the first gundam swiss army knife

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What do you mean by that? I thought Justice was pretty plain. Infinite Justice seems to be really awesome (I'm waiting until it has a healthy pilot), but Justice wasn't that special in my opinion.

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Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Destiny is definitely not "horrible".

Lunamaria took out a Destroy along with help from Legend, but Destiny took out 4. That's a pretty big difference.

I personally prefer Destiny over both SF & IJ, as they are both just the same suit as Kira & Athrun had before but with a few added shiny parts which makes fanboys drool. A lot of people call Destiny shit because it's introduction wasn't "cool". Nor does it have it's own theme song. But who gives a shit? This is supposed to be a war drama first and foremost. Destiny didn't have a flashy introduction but at least it brings something new (mainly thinking of the rainbow wings) as opposed to the other main character suits which are just pitiful in originality (how can we improve Freedom? I know, let's give it funnels!). Fuck that.

Destiny FTW

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is that because of destiny or because of shinn? its arugeable that if shinn was still in impulse he could've owned too. its also argueable that luna and rey were only able to take out a destiny because of shinn's command (to have luna switch to sword) or else rey would still be shooting his dragoons that pretty much every single god damn gundam can deflect now (what is up with these deflecters? cant people dodge anymore?)

if you think IJ sucks you are an idiot, it kicks hard ass. though i'm not saying destiny is bad, i mean comon "SHINNING FINGER!"

i'm not sure if legend has it but having palm cannons is useful (took out a destroy with that)

Well about the pilots, that's true, but if we use that as means of comparison; we'll never find out what suits are good and which ones are bad, right?

Yes I think IJ sucks. But that's because I didn't like Justice, and Justice with a few added parts is not gonna change my opinion.
If that makes me an idiot, then sure, go ahead and call me one.

I also happen to enjoy Destiny's homage to G Gundam.

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Originally posted by: DDBen
First off I find it amusing that nobody is commenting on destiny at all. Mostly because its been quite possibly the sadest gundam ever introduced for a main character. Sure it took out 4 destroys but then again they showed Lunamaria take one down her first time in Impulse given with a little help from legend. So I think its fairly safe to say that Destiny is horrible not only has it been damaged already by Athrun and Kira but its weapons are nothing more then sticking all the things from the impulse packs onto one backpack.

As for freedom I simply find it the most appealing Gundam visually. Yes its powerful and Kira is a exceptional pilot but when it comes down to it Justice is just ugly and out of proportion in compairison. This shows most in the flight pack which to me atleast is just plain hideous. Given Justice is powerful in its own right its not the kind of backbreaker that Strike Freedom is to an opposing army I just can't see justice taking out dozens of suits simply due to its short range weapons. Given we have not seen Justice in action yet with Athrun in perfect condition so chances are it will impress me more at a later time.

Legend on the other hand is nothing more then another providence once again its backpack makes it look just plain silly and the fact that it was orignally given to Athrun is just a testiment to the fact Gil intended it for Rei there isn't a single weapon on the suit that even remotely seems suitable for Athrun.

Oh and I don't feel like talking about shiney gundam as its basically take aile strike gold plate it and add rail guns. Note it could also be a gold plated justice with railguns its hard to tell with it being so shiney.

essentially my breakdown is as follows based on looks alone.
1. Strike Freedom
2. Destiny
3. Infinate Justice/Legend

Power wise atleast so far I'd list them as follows.
1. Strike Freedom
2. Infinate Justice (note this is likely even with SF however so far it has done nothing all that special)
3. Legend/Destiny (likely destiny should be lower as its been simply pathetic so far and Shin seems completely unable to retrieve a beam boomarang after throwing it. That said atleast legend hasn't taken any real damage even if it hasn't done anything)

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ok first of all how is justice out of proportion... proportions seem nice to me and flightpack isnt stupid it is very usefull and makes him uber fast... and justice as done alot more to scale of amount of time aired than freedom. on athurns first launch when he was half dead and bleeding he managed to pzoned shin's arm in like 1 second. what did freedom do? oh wait it didnt damage shin. saying infinte justice is stupid is just retarded. its just as good as fredom if not better. freedom did not damage desinty, he hit destiy but did NOT damage him. freedom with a healthy piolt manages to have a close fight with destiny. justice with a almost dead piolt gravely disables destiny in a single strike i wonder which one is better(note im using ur same flawed logic)?. by saying legend is nothing special and its just another prvidence, it was MEANT that way... so by ur interpretation ill just say sfreedom is nothing speecial, its just like the old one (sf is special, im just using ur own flawed logic again. if a suit is meant to be like an old one, then it should be similar to it...)... also, u cant image ij taking out alota suits. shin takes out a crapload of stuff with 1 sword... ij has like 6 times as much.. ij can slice those ppl up even faster than destiny.

DDBen = Strike Freedom fanboy.

I prefer Infinite Justice over the others. The original Justice was honestly just a first generation gundam with a subflight lifter and a nuclear reactor, its really like a slightly upgraded Duel Assault Shroud version. Even though Infinite Justice looks similar to the original Justice, its really heavily modified and much better this time around. Just a correction of an above post, the subflight lifter has 4 beam sabers and 2 beam cannons, while the suit itself has 4 beam sabers, a beam rifle, a beam boomerang modded with the shield to allow him to defend (shield & beam shield)/melee attack (beam boomerang on shield)/ranged attack (beam rifle in opposite hand) at the same time, and a grappling hook. Freedom and Strike Freedom are almost the same. A new shield and a few DRAGOONs isn't really a huge upgrade for Freedom's design, infact I think it was taken in the wrong direction while Legend was taken in the right direction. Legend seems to have slightly upgraded defense and melee capabilities as compared to Providence, which means he can beam spam with DRAGOONs and keep himself almost completely defended, making the way Kira finished off Rau invalid for Legend.

Destiny I think is overrated and underrated at the same time. Destiny's speed is completely overrated, Shinn was spamming the Wings of Light versus both Kira and Athrun and it really wasn't that much of an advantage against either of their suits, or the pilots themselves. Its ability to adapt though is extremely underrated. Yes, none of its individual weapons systems match any single system on Impulse, but I suspect that Shinn hasn't really utilized his suit's potential very well yet. It could potentially pull an Infinite Justice (the combo I stated above) and pull off a combined melee/ranged strike, on multiple targets even. Visually, I don't think Destiny is that interesting, i've mistaken its sillouette for Strike Freedom before and the Wings of Light don't make up for it in my opinion.

I feel pretty much the same way as Barumonk on this subject, though I dissagree that the beam wings are useless. They might not nessessarily make it faster, but it does give off that wierd visual effect and that's usually enough to throw off most opponents in meele combat., though any ace pilot will not be so easily intimidated. That's the way I see it. And if I'm right about this, it would seem pretty useless unless it's a fight where both pilots are rookies, but in a tactical sense, it could be useful to Shin against a large number of foes as it would help him take out more enemies faster.

Not all weapons need to increase capabilities or power to be effective. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

To me, all of those units are pretty much equal except for Legend who gets a severe dissadvantage in areas with gravity. Though I don't know how it'll fair in space. Even though it's definitely a step in the right direction from Providence, but I still think it's too reliant on favorable conditions to be any real good.

I've been over what each machine is capable of and what they can achieve with their weapons and they all balance out rather well. The only thing though, SF only slightly outclasses Destiny due to it's Dragoons, but only by a little since 1, it's a waste and dead weight in the atmosphere while Destiny remains as versatile in any condition and 2, it covers all of it's ranges well and effectively.

Only reason why it's got so much trouble beating other main units is usually because of the pilots he's u against and their state of mind.

I also want to take this moment to remind everyone that Kira has one fatal flaw. He's too kind. I'm sure he could have dealt with Shin just fine in any of the times he fought against him if he didn't hold back. there were many ocasions where this was shown in the way he fighs, even in his apearences with the SF.

yea justice was plain but it looked cool