So what's the common opinion on the (litterary) bloody past of Sasuke & stuff? Gogogo!
EXCELLENT EPISODE!
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So what's the common opinion on the (litterary) bloody past of Sasuke & stuff? Gogogo!
EXCELLENT EPISODE!
sasuke past= bollocks.
jira=amazing
i thought they would have given a better justification for itachi killing everyone. i mean why stop with his clan? why not test kisame? it make sno sense.
yeah i think its just because itachi is an evil bastard. if he wanted to test his strenght so much he could do it by fighting missing nins and stuff. good ep
What you saw was what Sasuke saw, and his interpretation of the whole thing. More than likely, at some point in the future they're going to show Itachi's version of what actually occured. Sure he probably killed them all, but when you hear what he has to say, there'll be a more in depth explanation of why he did what he did.
As for Sasuke, any dislike I had of him is totally gone. I always thought he was the man, but always hated his attitude at the same time. I'm aware that people don't just get that way for no reason, but when I saw what actually happened, things became more real. This episode reaffirms my faith in the Naruto series. Incredible!
v Sasuke was normal once...who knew?! v
It was a great episode, and I still say Itachi is innocent it just doesn't add up to me. If he really wanted to test himself why not fight the 3rd? I got a question though since Sauske didn't use any hand seals to form chidori, does that still mean that Itachi copied it?
Extremely Good episode, I am still AMAZED at the talent these writers have for going through 20 minute shows and getting almost nothing new done.
Dont get me wrong I liked the episode. I just wish they woulda shortened the flashback (we knew almost all of it already) and got some storyline done. Everything that happened in that episode we knew already, except about the Samehada. I still think they need to take a page from Animes like FMA and get at least a little done every episode.
Extremely Good episode though. What was Jiraiya trying to say about women being merry?!?!?
are you serious? after he stabbed kakashi with swords for 72 hours, broke sasuke's wrist, and wiped out the clan? man you must really like himQuote:
Originally posted by: Aeon
It was a great episode, and I still say Itachi is innocent it just doesn't add up to me. If he really wanted to test himself why not fight the 3rd? I got a question though since Sauske didn't use any hand seals to form chidori, does that still mean that Itachi copied it?
he didn't fight the 3rd cuz he didn't want to get killed. cmon now.
That is some ridiculous crap right there.Quote:
It was a great episode, and I still say Itachi is innocent it just doesn't add up to me
I think that episode was as well done as the best episodes this series has to offer. The flashback was just long enough, letting you know that Sasuke was not only normal, but likeable once, that there was a decent relationship between the brothers, and the rest of the time was used to show what Sasuke saw, and make it extremely dramatic. Bullseye. And they did get something done. Jiraiya is there and proven to NOT be an idiot, they reminded us of the differences between people at Naruto and Sasuke's level, and Itachi and Fish head's level (which was needed considering one of the other threads that's going right now), and they showed Itachi to be cold bastard, making him even cooler. It's the perfect set up for what's to come. This series owns.
Good ep.
Im not kidding if im saying this was one of the best episodes so far. The Sasuke flashback really touched me and at the same time, there was some action to involved. The music was great and Itachi truelly is strange.
Itachi was testing himself to see if he was the best of the Uchiha Clan, because they were considered to be the greatest clan in Konoha.
Plus that ep just rocked, except i dont like kisame's sword(how it eats chakra), i find that to be a little cheap.
Excellent episode, I'd love to see Itachi's side of the story though as to why he killed his clan off.
Did anyone see how quicly Naruto was able to summon chakra from the Kyuubi? He didn't even have to use all of his natural chakra in order to get it, I was really surprised about that, and stunned no one else picked up on it.
I think what Jiraiya was saying about women, in the fact that they don't know him, is that he figured out that woman was a scam they deployed to Jiraiya to get him away from Naruto so they could come kill Naruto. I think the translation was kind of rough there, but he's basically saying at his age he knows how women really are. I could be wrong there, I need to watch it a couple more times.
But again, great episode, set up 85 really well.
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Itachi's character looks awesome during the flashback, especially when he's staring at Sasuke after killing their parents.
good ep..though they could have gotten a little short on the flashback..come on..15 minutes..almost...thats 6 minutes just for the stuff..but still a good episode...too bad naruto got like scared....didnt he ever learn not to listen to strangers...[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
yeah i noticed how fast he summoned kyubi's chakra, it was hard not to, all the red swirling around him...anyway what i think jiraiya meant was he doesnt need to go after women, that women flock to him, but i could be wrong.
Because Kisame is his sex mate duh.Quote:
Originally posted by: chambers
sasuke past= bollocks.
jira=amazing
i thought they would have given a better justification for itachi killing everyone. i mean why stop with his clan? why not test kisame? it make sno sense.
OMG GROW UPQuote:
Originally posted by: jing
Because Kisame is his sex mate duh.Quote:
Originally posted by: chambers
sasuke past= bollocks.
jira=amazing
i thought they would have given a better justification for itachi killing everyone. i mean why stop with his clan? why not test kisame? it make sno sense.
Another good episode.
v The homosexuality shit is just getting stupid, Itachi has nothing to do with it v
maybe he killed his parents because they didnt approve of his gayness [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] im j/k btw, before the itachi fans come and flame me. well now we know why sasuke is such an asshole, id probably be all fucked up to if i had to go through something like that.
ok. PARTY POOPER!Quote:
Originally posted by: NomoZ
OMG GROW UPQuote:
Originally posted by: jing
Because Kisame is his sex mate duh.Quote:
Originally posted by: chambers
sasuke past= bollocks.
jira=amazing
i thought they would have given a better justification for itachi killing everyone. i mean why stop with his clan? why not test kisame? it make sno sense.
(^_^) I thought it was a really good episode. Even t hough the flashback was quite long, at least it was interesting to see how all that played out, but like others have stated, I really would like to see Itachi's side of the story as to why he did that. To me seems there is more to it than just a measuring stick, to remember him saying it was 'important' that he did so...so I wonder what made it so important...I haven't read much of the manga, but that makes me wonder, like was he in the Akatsuki back then and maybe that was some task he had to do...who knows, can't wait till they explain more ^^
the episode was awesome and really good drawing anyway next episode is gonna rock
good episode
explains a lot about sasuke, but i also agree that the flashback took too long
it was wierd how easily itachi killed everyone, it looked like the rest of the uchiha clan didn't even try
and i dont truly buy the "to test myself" bullshit, why would he test himself by killing his grandparents who looked helpless, just wierd.
damn, itachi deflecting the chidori like that was cool, and i also thought the samehada stealing chakra was cheap too
kisame wanting to cut off narutos limbs, hahaha. what happened to itachis "dont cause a commotion" attitude
i liked how jiraiya showed up, they made it look like Naruto summoned the frog
next ep looks like a good one, cant wait
I think that's all he wanted to do, and the reason it was important to him is because he had to know if he was the strongest, and what better place to start with than the most powerful clan in the village. Considering he's part of a group that is searching for ways to become more and more powerful, I think he's obsessed with strength.Quote:
Originally posted by: ShinobiNeko
I really would like to see Itachi's side of the story as to why he did that. To me seems there is more to it than just a measuring stick, to remember him saying it was 'important' that he did so...so I wonder what made it so important...
good thing kisame's sword stopped naruto from summoning gamabunta.
summoning 100ft toads indoors of a hotel in a crowded town is not a good thing.
naruto isn't too bright :x
and neither is sasuke, as gai and rock lee explained during the exams, chidori is just a straight thrust, someone with sharingan can see it from a mile away, itachi probably couldve just moved out the way and push sasuke so his chidori would go right through naruto, that wouldve sucked :x
also i watch bakafish ver and i have no idea wth jiraiya was talking about at the end
I think half of what Jiraiya was trying to say (and the translation was poor on this part) was that at his age no women of her beauty would just come up to him and start flirting... and the few that would he could interpret them really well with his "studies"
I dont think Itachi is innocent at all, but there definitely has to be more than "testing himself" to it... first of all he killed grandparents and women... those he KNEW he was better than already... and he kept Sasuke alive... I still think if youve played FFX you know how sin i.e. Jecht wants Tidus to kill him cause he wants to be put out of his misery, but no one is powerful to do it so he wants Tidus to become powerful enough... I think its the same with Itachi... he is really wants to die but he wants to do it by the hands of someone else (Sasuke) and that way someone will finally be better than him... maybe hes also bored cause hes so much better than everyone that no ones a challenge and he wants Sasuke to be that challenge
why doesnt he let gravity kill him then?
Well what im saying is he wants to die by someone elses hands.. or something like that... it just seems typical of like a tragic villain who actually just wants to be put out of his misery i might be totally off but i dunno
Maybe Sasuke has a goal, and that goal requires him to be colder than ice. If so, killing his own clan was a test of that. He's might be one of the "destroy the world for the good of humanity" types.
man, people always try to make big deal out of the littlest things.Quote:
Originally posted by: gokudagreat
I think half of what Jiraiya was trying to say (and the translation was poor on this part) was that at his age no women of her beauty would just come up to him and start flirting... and the few that would he could interpret them really well with his "studies"
I dont think Itachi is innocent at all, but there definitely has to be more than "testing himself" to it... first of all he killed grandparents and women... those he KNEW he was better than already... and he kept Sasuke alive... I still think if youve played FFX you know how sin i.e. Jecht wants Tidus to kill him cause he wants to be put out of his misery, but no one is powerful to do it so he wants Tidus to become powerful enough... I think its the same with Itachi... he is really wants to die but he wants to do it by the hands of someone else (Sasuke) and that way someone will finally be better than him... maybe hes also bored cause hes so much better than everyone that no ones a challenge and he wants Sasuke to be that challenge
what jiraiya said is basically this: "i am a pimp and i can see right through the fake hoes."
that's it.
and how can itachi not be innocent... what other possibility is there? who else could've killed all those uchihas? yeah, there were bunch of shitty uchihas but i'm sure there were also good ones. at the end, i guess itachi was the best one. and itachi probably didn't bother killing anyone else cuz he knows that only a full blooded uchiha can defeat another uchiha since no one can stand up to his mangekyou sharingan.
Noone flame me, because this is a sincere question and i'm hesitant in asking it, because of all the itachi/sharingan fan-freaks.
The sharingan has the ability to copy anothers abilities when its seen, does this have to be triggered by the sharingan user, or is it automatic.. i.e. gaaras sand defense.
Also, if it was automatic or semi-automatic, does this mean sauske could theoretically have copied the mangekyou sharingan (kaleidoscope)
And please, if your answering based on a THEORY you have, please tell me its your theory, and if its factual, tell me as well.
Is it me or is Itachi a bit too old in the flashback . He looks older than Sasuke at the same age.
no one knows for sure if sharingan can copy jutsus automatically.Quote:
Originally posted by: logic
Noone flame me, because this is a sincere question and i'm hesitant in asking it, because of all the itachi/sharingan fan-freaks.
The sharingan has the ability to copy anothers abilities when its seen, does this have to be triggered by the sharingan user, or is it automatic.. i.e. gaaras sand defense.
Also, if it was automatic or semi-automatic, does this mean sauske could theoretically have copied the mangekyou sharingan (kaleidoscope)
And please, if your answering based on a THEORY you have, please tell me its your theory, and if its factual, tell me as well.
theory: i assume that it's not automatic and its user can only copy what he/she wants to copy.
fact: we know for sure that kakashi's sharingan (which is an implant) must be covered by his forehead protector to prevent it from being 'active.' unlike itachi, kakashi's sharingan uses up chakra no matter what unless it is covered.
no one knows if kakashi's sharingan automatically copies things or not, but i think it's same as itachi's or sasuke's, it copies what its user wants to copy. the only problem for kakashi is that he can't turn off his sharingan so he covers it up from consuming chakra.
fact: sasuke can't copy mangekyou sharingan. his sharingan is not developed enough.
theory: another reason why sasuke can't copy it is because it's an advanced bloodline technique. yes, it's the uchiha bloodline technique, but it's still an advanced bloodline technique no matter what.
maybe it was a royal rumble.. to see the next leader of the uchiha clan =) or maybe if u kill a uchiha member u gain his or her powers.. or maybe it was a group dispute, cause how many did he have to fight was it 50 on 1 or what..
or maybe itachi has a alter ego(maybe like fight club altar ego).. ither way he did it.
but i dont see motive, he had potential to be 5th hokage + if he wanted to check his strength he could of just raped other stronger ninjas or something,
Yeah Itachi's stated reason 'to test my strength' .. is COMPLETELY lame .. we didn't see any strong Uchiha in the flashback, they all looked like Genin or weaker to me, and he goes around killing the elderly? LMAO what a loser... it's gonna be really nice to see Itachi get killed eventually [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
As several people have said, if he wanted to test his strength, he should have challenged the 3rd, or Jiraiya .. oh wait, I forgot .. he's too weak [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
The other Uchiha weren't weak... don't underestimate them.
Lol then what did they do exactly? We see NOTHING in those flashbacks .. but gimp-level ninja falling dead without even performing a credible attack... Maybe the animators were lazy, but beating up a bunch of weaklings and old people hardly impresses me ..
Unless you can point me to something they showed from ANY of the other Uchiha that would even faze Naruto at this point [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
this is absolutely dumb. sorry he was only TWELVE years old and wasn't a kage or one of the sannin.Quote:
Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
Yeah Itachi's stated reason 'to test my strength' .. is COMPLETELY lame .. we didn't see any strong Uchiha in the flashback, they all looked like Genin or weaker to me, and he goes around killing the elderly? LMAO what a loser... it's gonna be really nice to see Itachi get killed eventually [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
As several people have said, if he wanted to test his strength, he should have challenged the 3rd, or Jiraiya .. oh wait, I forgot .. he's too weak [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
Great episode.. I knew Jiriaya didn't fall for something like that!! Only thing that bugged me was Kisames damn sword eating chakra. He just swung it close to Naruto to suck his chakra in... thats a pretty invisible thing right there. Still everyones chakra they can't fight. He could of done that to Kakashi, Asume (think thats his name), I mean it was bad ass but just a little blah to me. The preview for the next one omg looks awesome looks like someones insides they are running through. I wonder what that was.
Still doesn't make any sense to me, 'testing' your strength against a bunch of people who really posed no challenge at all, and ignoring people who WERE actually powerful .. sort of defeats the purpose. Not to mention, how is killing old people a challenge?Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
this is absolutely dumb. sorry he was only TWELVE years old and wasn't a kage or one of the sannin.Quote:
Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
Yeah Itachi's stated reason 'to test my strength' .. is COMPLETELY lame .. we didn't see any strong Uchiha in the flashback, they all looked like Genin or weaker to me, and he goes around killing the elderly? LMAO what a loser... it's gonna be really nice to see Itachi get killed eventually [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
As several people have said, if he wanted to test his strength, he should have challenged the 3rd, or Jiraiya .. oh wait, I forgot .. he's too weak [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
I used to not mind Itachi much, but after seeing him in anime form I absolutely hate him .. he's the whole reason we have to put up with Sasuke being a whiny bitch for practically the entire series [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
ok... well i'm sure there were people who were very strong in the uchiha clan. they weren't noted as one of the most powerful and feared clan in konoha for nothing. old people thing, i didn't get either, but i think he just killed them cuz they might run off and alert everyone. i'm not too sure about that.Quote:
Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
Still doesn't make any sense to me, 'testing' your strength against a bunch of people who really posed no challenge at all, and ignoring people who WERE actually powerful .. sort of defeats the purpose. Not to mention, how is killing old people a challenge?
I used to not mind Itachi much, but after seeing him in anime form I absolutely hate him .. he's the whole reason we have to put up with Sasuke being a whiny bitch for practically the entire series [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
he did ignore some very strong people, but i think he did it cuz he knew he'd get his ass beat. i mean like i'm sure even kakashi could've rocked itachi's ass. no point in trying to fight someone who is clearly stronger than you are... you'd rather live and become stronger.
and i don't know why everyone hates sasuke so much. i am more annoyed with naruto being annoying with his 'i'ma be the hokage' motivational crap. yeah, i know it's his series and all, he's waaay more annoying than sasuke.
Hehe well that's fair, with the obvious respect the Uchiha name has .. there HAD to have been some strong ones, I just wish we had been able to see them in the flashbacks.
And yes, Naruto CAN be a bit annoying with his endless repeating of his goals, but it doesn't seem like he does it *quite* as much as he used to heheheh.
I can only hope that Itachi has other, as-yet-unknown, motivations for his actions, because his STATED reason just doesn't add up .. particularly since no one in the clan really posed a challenge. I mean, it would be like Mike Tyson deciding to test his strength on a bunch of grade-schoolers and then taking off to Paraguay or something ... wait .. Mike Tyson actually might be that crazy IRL [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
Remember, Naruto and Kyuubis' chakras are merging as time passes. So therefore, it should be easier for Naruto to summon up the Kyuubi chakra.Quote:
Originally posted by: Shinoro
Did anyone see how quicly Naruto was able to summon chakra from the Kyuubi? He didn't even have to use all of his natural chakra in order to get it, I was really surprised about that, and stunned no one else picked up on it.
Edit: I also beleived that whenever Naruto summons Kyubbi's chakra, it accelerates the merging process. Maybe soon in the future Naruto might start experiencing "side-effects" because of it.
You don't get the old people part?
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3rd.. how old was he?
Older you get, you grow weaker, but you gain techniques and experience.
Knowledge is power, and elders have more of that knowledge from life experiences.
Also, Mut@t@, i'm impressed with the way you can answer questions and what have you based on what the anime has presented so far. I know you've read the manga, but it seems that you never reveal anything that hasn't been shown yet.
Impressed and appreciatory.
The old people part .. where Sasuke's grandparents were just standing there .. is what we were talking about [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] How is executing an old couple a 'test' of power?
Do not underestimate old people!
Come on, how old was the 3rd when he fought? Old just means more experience as a ninja. Also, the only fighting we saw in the flashback was the illusion that Itachi summoned up. I bet things were a little harder for him than THAT.
I'm not underestimating old people lol .. just that MOST of them aren't like the 3rd. Sasuke's grandparents just stood there ... REAL intimidating huh?
Heh, I said this earlier, but maybe it's not a test of power so much as it's a test of coldness. It's complete speculation, but it's happened in other stories before that someone would do something like that just to make sure they're capable of it. Might be related to his ultimate goals.
so how old was itachi in the flashback? i was thinking he was like 14 or something because he was made anbu captain at 13 right? so wouldent this be after he was made an anbu captain. and i agree they didnt seem to show any strong ninja in the clan, and who was the leader of the uchiha clan at that time? was it sasuke's family?
As I said, the scene with Itachi killing his grandparents and the rest of the Uchiha so easily was an illusion that he made up for Sasuke just to torture him, not what actually happened.Quote:
Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
I'm not underestimating old people lol .. just that MOST of them aren't like the 3rd. Sasuke's grandparents just stood there ... REAL intimidating huh?
We don't know what really happened in his fight. I suspect that everyone was so shocked to see their grandson, nephew, whatever relation come at them with a knife that they weren't really able to fight back decently before being killed.
I agree that instead of a test of physical strength it may have been a test of mental strength, or "coldness" as Barles said. Although killing your entire family just to show what an emotionless badass you are...damn. And I STILL don't know why he let Sasuke live.
Exactly, it doesn't add up logically .. testing 'coldness' doesn't make sense, if you are a highly trained ninja you probably know EXACTLY what choices you are capable of making. If you exist to be an elite tool of warfare, espionage, and death .. would there be any doubt that you could execute anyone you chose to?
(A)- Killing your clan is a pretty dumb test of strength, when there are more challenging opponents out there to provide a credible challenge. When Sasuke came across Itachi, Itachi was completely uninjured, and had enough chakra left (at his younger age!) to do Mange Sharingan on him .. that basically means the whole Uchiha clan posed VERY little threat to him ..
(B)- Why leave Sasuke alive? Didn't seem like he cared about him anyway .. maybe he just wanted a witness to tell the rest of Konoha who had done it, so that he would be pursued by hunter-nins (maybe his idea of a REAL challenge?).
(C)- Maybe the images he played back to Sasuke are not real .. this plays into a few different theories that have made their rounds where Itachi may possibly not be what he pretends to be.
The thing that bothers me, is that Itachi *seems* to be more intelligent than what his decisions might lead one to believe, it would be nice if there IS some currently unknown motivations and plot info that we don't know already .. because if Itachi ONLY wanted to test his strength, and left Sasuke to be an annoying bitch for the entire series .. then that's just incredibly lame. Bring on the rest of Akatsuki if that's the case ..
i was wondering, in konoha, does each clan have their own little section to live in, because the uchiha seemed like they had a neighborhood all to themselves?
during the flashback, when sasuke just gets off of school, they somewhat show the kaleidescope sharingan (i think) when itachi was standing on the top of the pole, then he disappears. it could have seemed like that was some genjutsu or something used on sasuke, but i dont really know. or maybe it was to lead sasuke to see the death of his parents. His parents, i think, were the last ones of the uchiha to be killed so sasuke can witness their death
itachi probably wanted to push sasuke to become stronger, so sasuke might become a worthy rival. maybe he sees potential...okay, i'm making itachi sound like a good guy...but that's not what i meant. Even if itachi can do he nifty technique, i'm sure other uchihas can do it as well. i thinki they were just taken by surprise that someone of their own blood would do that do them.
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i also think over half the episode with flashbacks is to mutch
something to think about wiht the nine tails chakra.......he was molding chakra in the room for some time
i think the reason why he tested his strength on his own clan was to test out his mangekyou sharingan. from the looks of it, his sharingan deactivates as soon as mangekyou sharingan is performed so i guess itachi is in the process of mastering the technique.
anyway, i thought itachi was 12 when he massacred his own clan, but it says that he was anbu at 13. if he did do it at 12, then i guess he would've left the village right after therefor, not being able to receive anbu status. this is really weird because during the flash back, sasuke says that he is the same as age itachi when itachi graduated (7). which would mean that itachi was 12 since they are 5 years apart cuz sasuke is or should be 12 right now. but i guess itachi could've been 13 if one year has passed since the first episode til now.
also, i think there is a bigger reason to killing his clan than just 'testing his strength.' i kind of felt like he had another motive when he said 'it's important' (AA trans). i don't think it's completely different than to 'test his strength' but i think it branches off from that motive.
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Originally posted by: logic
Also, Mut@t@, i'm impressed with the way you can answer questions and what have you based on what the anime has presented so far. I know you've read the manga, but it seems that you never reveal anything that hasn't been shown yet.
Impressed and appreciatory.
Maybe it's not a good test of physical strength, but it's a good test of mental strength. Maybe he had to do it (kill his family) to enter the evil organization he's in.Quote:
Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
Killing your clan is a pretty dumb test of strength, when there are more challenging opponents out there to provide a credible challenge.
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Not a manga reader
great episode! even the flashback part was relatively good. but it had something a little out of place
you see, when Sasuke walks down the streets with dozens of dead clanmates he's just so calm about it and goes home, takes off his sandals, then walks off to look for his parents.... you'd suppose he was a little more, like, in panic.
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Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
Exactly, it doesn't add up logically .. testing 'coldness' doesn't make sense, if you are a highly trained ninja you probably know EXACTLY what choices you are capable of making. If you exist to be an elite tool of warfare, espionage, and death .. would there be any doubt that you could execute anyone you chose to?
(A)- Killing your clan is a pretty dumb test of strength, when there are more challenging opponents out there to provide a credible challenge. When Sasuke came across Itachi, Itachi was completely uninjured, and had enough chakra left (at his younger age!) to do Mange Sharingan on him .. that basically means the whole Uchiha clan posed VERY little threat to him ..
(B)- Why leave Sasuke alive? Didn't seem like he cared about him anyway .. maybe he just wanted a witness to tell the rest of Konoha who had done it, so that he would be pursued by hunter-nins (maybe his idea of a REAL challenge?).
(C)- Maybe the images he played back to Sasuke are not real .. this plays into a few different theories that have made their rounds where Itachi may possibly not be what he pretends to be.
The thing that bothers me, is that Itachi *seems* to be more intelligent than what his decisions might lead one to believe, it would be nice if there IS some currently unknown motivations and plot info that we don't know already .. because if Itachi ONLY wanted to test his strength, and left Sasuke to be an annoying bitch for the entire series .. then that's just incredibly lame. Bring on the rest of Akatsuki if that's the case ..
There's clearly a lot of things we don't know, and we'll probably get to know when Itachi reveals his side of the story. However, about the testing his "coldness" theory, He was only in his early teens. He doesn't have the experience that an older person would. And even if he did, he's still just a kid. At that age, even though you're trying to break away, you're still very attached to your family, especially if they're good to you. So it seems like as valid a theory as any to me.
If it's not to test his viciousness, my next theory would be that the clan existing was in the way somehow. I don't think he was worried about another Uchiha surpassing him since he left Sasuke alive and well, specifically to live, grow stronger, and then kill him. So it has to be something else.
For some reason when I saw the flashback in this episode it reminded me a lot of Gaara. Somehow I got the impression that the father knew Itachi was too strong and dangerous... and I thought maybe they attacked Itachi first and then Itachi killed all the rest of them just out of spite. As for why he would have spared Sasuke in that scenario I'm not sure.
I actually feel the idea someone said of Itachi wanting to die and creating Sasuke as his nemesis is the best explanation though. Thats how I have viewed Itachi from the begining and nothing I can think of really goes counter to that.
well its quite simple. the AA translation said it was to test himself or somthing, so he left sasuke because he was no test. also he probly left him so that he would have a test in the future.
whats wrong with itachi using the excuse of testing himself as a reason to kill the clan? That kind of apathetic reasoning is more than enough to get the point across about just how evil itachi really is!
Anyone else find it odd that after seeing his grandparents and other clan members killed, sasuke doesnt hesitate to take his shoes off before walking into his house?
sasuke is 12 atm, itachi is 17 right? 5 age difference, in bakafish it said he was 8 when he graduated, and 9 became chuunin, 13 became anbu. so sasuke was 8 when itachi killed everyone, and itachi was 13, so he was anbu, he killed everyone, then left.Quote:
anyway, i thought itachi was 12 when he massacred his own clan, but it says that he was anbu at 13. if he did do it at 12, then i guess he would've left the village right after therefor, not being able to receive anbu status. this is really weird because during the flash back, sasuke says that he is the same as age itachi when itachi graduated (7). which would mean that itachi was 12 since they are 5 years apart cuz sasuke is or should be 12 right now. but i guess itachi could've been 13 if one year has passed since the first episode til now.
yeah i was like, wtf is he doin? is it a sign or disrespect or somthin? or maybe he didnt want to track mud on the carpets.
also another point the village of konoha seems to be made up of 60% houses and 40% telephone wires, yet ive neevr seen anyone use it or even seen it in the houses!
haha, well they could be powerlines.....im pretty sure they have electricity at least in the houses
i thought it was cool though that itachi said the same line you hear him say back in episode 30
same line?
you know... run, cling, live life blah blah blah.Quote:
Originally posted by: chambers
same line?
hmm must have missed that one, ill be at ep 30 soon tho as iam watchin them all back.
Preety good episode, I thought the flashback was great since we needed more details of what happened that night. As for those wires, I think they are electricity wires for the street light.
since I dont read the manga, I'm not too familiar with any of the stuff beyond this ep.
Itachi kills people to test his ability. Kind of an odd approach, but it fits for a character like Itachi. It sure as hell is better than having a bunch of evil people that just want to destroy the universe. Those people blab on forever and just wont shut up, and therefore are hated.
But because Itachi is somewhat mysterious and very dark, it makes him an interesting evil character, as opposed to say, the likes of a Cell or Frieza.
its not justifed though. frieza wanted to rule the universe, cell wanted to become perfect. itachi tests himself on people weaker than himself. kindda odd if you ask me.
listen... there were other strong ninjas in the uchiha clan, ok?Quote:
Originally posted by: chambers
its not justifed though. frieza wanted to rule the universe, cell wanted to become perfect. itachi tests himself on people weaker than himself. kindda odd if you ask me.
Itachi was testing his strength, that's his justification.
I have a feeling that Itachi is going to end up having more of a motive than just testing himself. Kishimoto is GOOD at backstories, and he often doesn't reveal them until well after a character is introduced. For a long time it seemed that Gaara just liked killing people, but he ended up having some pretty serious issues from his past. Neiji just seemed like a jerk for pushing around Hinata until we saw his story, again much delayed. Naruto, Sasuke, Oro, Lee, Hinata, etc. all have very strong motives for what they do. I guess we'll just have to wait [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]Quote:
Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
whats wrong with itachi using the excuse of testing himself as a reason to kill the clan? That kind of apathetic reasoning is more than enough to get the point across about just how evil itachi really is!
Anyone else find it odd that after seeing his grandparents and other clan members killed, sasuke doesnt hesitate to take his shoes off before walking into his house?
As for Sasuke taking off his shoes, well, I think that this was supposed to show that he was in shock and basically running on autopilot, not thinking about what he was doing.
mutata i never said that there weren't strong ninjas in uchiha clan. re-read what i said and youll realise that i am right, and that a test of stregnth is not murdering 20 people who are all weaker than you.
also its not justification, thats what he did. justification would be he tested his strength because __________ (dill in the blank).
ok... let me quote what you said.Quote:
Originally posted by: chambers
mutata i never said that there weren't strong ninjas in uchiha clan. re-read what i said and youll realise that i am right, and that a test of stregnth is not murdering 20 people who are all weaker than you.
also its not justification, thats what he did. justification would be he tested his strength because __________ (dill in the blank).
so, you said: "itachi tests himself on people weaker than himself. kinda odd if you ask me"Quote:
Originally posted by: chambers
its not justifed though. frieza wanted to rule the universe, cell wanted to become perfect. itachi tests himself on people weaker than himself. kindda odd if you ask me.
i don't know why you're saying that. he tested himself on the whole uchiha clan. he didn't just pick out the weak guys, EVERYONE was killed. are you not understanding this? you make it sound as if itachi selected the people he was gonna kill. and how is testing his strength not a justification? try this sentence: he killed his whole clan because ________ (fill in blank).
and if you're saying that killing the weak guys in the clan while testing his strength is not an actual test of strength, then think about this. what do you think the weaker guys are gonna do if they get away? of course they're gonna alert the whole village and have itachi killed. he obviously killed the weaker guys so they won't run off and tell everyone and he tested himself mainly on the stronger uchihas.
maybe you should re-read what you write and wrote and think before you post because you're not making any sense or proving a point.
he meant thats what itachi believes justifies his action. im sick of hearing of excuses for itachi, its simple to me, to be able to kill your clan including you parents you have to be a fucked up person. also anyone notice in the A&A version sasuke calls his granparents aunt and mister, compared to grandparents in the bakafish.
I think the episode was ok...defintiely could've used more action though...the whole sasuke flashback thing shouldn't have been that long... a few minutes shorter maybe. Everyoen was hoping to see Jiraiya fight...guess we gotta wait ANOTHER 7 days before we see that[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] But with any luck Anbu-Aone will realise that they've always been at lest a days or two late in getting their subs out and work really to hard to release it the day after it airs in JP! (yeah...like THAT'S gonna happen)
didnt itachi's father say to sasuke itachi is not a likable companion, because no one can stop him? maybe he was just mad no one liked him because he was too strong so he killed everyone.
Haha.....well, i was told by the_fourth. Gimme a break, I last watched it at 5:30 am.
What do you mean there where no bodies in the street, on a scene you see sasuke running and seeing corpses on roof as well as on the streets.
maybe the line, "i wanted to see what i was capable of" isn't necessarily an ability thing. maybe he wanted to see how truly sadistic he could be. we've seen from the other parts of the series where ninja are often thought of as tools without emotion. he didn't seem to have any emotion at all. i don't know, just adding something to this thread.
I subscribe to the belief that Itachi told Sasuke a lie. "I did this to test my abilities." It's this sort of thing that would rile Sasuke. And, as we know, Mangekyou Sharingan is merely an illusion. A powerful illusion, yes, but Itachi can construct the world as he sees fit.
Ever since I knew about Itachi, my own hypothesis was that there is another force at work, and in order to keep this force from obtaining the power of the Uchiha clan, Itachi kills everyone except himself and Sasuke, for he feels they are the only two who have any chance of fighting against this force. Itachi says what he says to Sasuke in order to motivate Sasuke to become stronger, as he himself believes that Sasuke can surpass him.
Itachi may seem cold, but it's obvious he still has some attachments to Sasuke. Check out the finger twitch in episode 81. For someone who's so calm and able to move with such precision, a twitch like that is pretty significant.
i wouldnt be surprised if that was all that it was to itachi.....sure they tend to build more on backgrounds later on, like with gaara.....but thats more for people with troubled pasts.....
itachi's didnt seem very troubled except for the stuff he did on his own. Besides, oro never got much of a backstory, the only reason we ever see flashbacks of him is because he's in flashbacks of sarutobi and jiraiya
Personally I think that someone else was responsible for killing the Uchiha clan, and Itachi came in after it had been done. I don't believe that he's the major villain that everyone is making him out to be.
We never saw him kill anyone, or any trace of blood / exhaustion etc when Sasuke finally meets him in the flashback, and the only evidence for the slayings is the usage of the sharingan to put the images in Sasuke's mind.
What if that was a plan by Itachi to force Sasuke to get better by giving him a target to aim at? Meanwhile Itachi goes ahead and infiltrates the bad guys to look for the real culprit?
Just another idea
wow i can understand if you like itachi but you guys think up some tired excuses. theres no justifacation at all for killing your whole clan including your granparents and parents. why would he show the image of him killing everyone to sasuke if he didnt do it? plus you could tell he was thinking evil thoughts when sasuke looked at him and he frowned, that made me think itachi was thinking, 'i cant wait to kill this nuisence.'
I think it really shows how Sasuke really is... he freaked before, and again in the forest of discomfort, so that shows he's really calm under most situations even stressful ones, but he has a breaking point, and he totally freaks... whereas naruto freaks in generally minor situations, and when it gets very serious (where sasuke freaks) naruto shines.... which makes them a damned good team, IMO... i still don't see where sakura fits in... except making traps... damn that womans good at traps.
i still don't know what to think about itachi. aside from the fact that he makes a great bad guy.
he does appear to care about sasuke in some parts, the finger twitch and the whole thing he did when he was younger and sasuke asked for help.....but then in other parts he's totally cold to him.
part of me thinks it is possible that he didn't kill everyone and he arrived too late and gave sasuke the illusion that he had killed everyone because sasuke knew how powerful itachi was so he had a definate goal to surpass and itachi figured sasuke could surpass him and actually kill the true culprit. but then if that was so, how would sasuke even know aobut the true culprit. i mean he's grown up for years and years thinking it was itachi and hating itachi it's not like itachi can just go, oh by the way i showed you an illusion x person actually killed everyone but i knew i couldn't beat them and thought you could. cause yeah, sasuke wouldn't believe that and would just end up killing itachi (or trying too) and calling it a day.
so i wouldn't be overly surprised if later in the series it is shown that itachi didn't actually do it. i also wouldn't be surprised if he actually did do it because at the moment he's a pretty mysterious character, not much is known about his past except from sasuke's perspective so it is possible he was just one sick and twisted guy. if he did do it i think he had motivation other than 'testing' himself cause wow that is so lame esp given that he killed kids and grandparents and that they were his family so i doubt quite a few of them even put up a fight cause they were probably too shocked which all means it was a pretty lousy test unless it was a test of how unemotional he could be and even then i hope there is some type of further explanation.
Well to put the argument about Sasuke's grandparents not putting up a fight to an end, here's my two cents. Grandparents love their grand children, they were probably in alot of shock, and in no condition to put up a fight against their own dear grandson. That explains there lack of action.
Oh and they probably had Itachi killing everyone look so pathetically easy because either one, if they animated good battles, the flashback would be alot longer, or two, it was just images Itachi placed into Sasuke's mind, and making the Uchiha clan look helpless is that much more traumatizing.
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I say the episode was pretty good although i was a little pissed off they didnt really take off on what was happening although i gotta say Jiraya is a playa
if itachi didnt kill his clan, or willingly do so.....then why did he join akatsuki, a VOLUNTEER organization?
Hey nice to know I'm not the only person that think's that Itachi might be innocent. The reason why I think he joined the Akatsuki is because the real person that killed the clan might be apart of that group.
Itachi, INNOCENT? You people have a lot of imagination when it comes to theories! COME ON!! Itachi IS evil, not a mystery hero.Quote:
Originally posted by: Aeon
Hey nice to know I'm not the only person that think's that Itachi might be innocent. The reason why I think he joined the Akatsuki is because the real person that killed the clan might be apart of that group.
IMO, he's part of Akatsuki simply because it's an evil organization and he's evil. My theory is at the opposite of yours, being that he killed his clan as a test for being accepted in Akatsuki.
(PS: nothing personnal)
I'm actually wondering if Itachi killed his clan as part of a test. Maybe he found out about the organization
and wanted in, but needed to be more... qualified.
haha i wouldnt be surprised if these itachi lovers start explaining that the reason he joined Akatsuki as a undercover agent and he is really working with the hidden leaf
also for those who think itachi cares for sasuke...wait til 85 comes out
they never have any proof of itachi killing anyone, for example: him actually killing someone. The only evidence that he would be actually evil and not a great actor would be that he said "kill them, they need to die immediately" to kisame when kakashi spoke of akatsuki. If itachi really killed his clan, there would be no reason to keep sasuke alive. I think kishimoto made the flashbacks that way to later on add something different, possibly a good itachi. Cuz if he wanted more dramatic effect, sasuke could have walked in right when Itachi sliced the parents, while his mom screamed "SASUKE, RUN!" or something like that.
so ur saying itachi got framed? lol give it a rest -__-Quote:
Originally posted by: originalkrn
they never have any proof of itachi killing anyone, for example: him actually killing someone. The only evidence that he would be actually evil and not a great actor would be that he said "kill them, they need to die immediately" to kisame when kakashi spoke of akatsuki. If itachi really killed his clan, there would be no reason to keep sasuke alive. I think kishimoto made the flashbacks that way to later on add something different, possibly a good itachi. Cuz if he wanted more dramatic effect, sasuke could have walked in right when Itachi sliced the parents, while his mom screamed "SASUKE, RUN!" or something like that.
you guys are thinking way too much into this. stop trying to be brilliant.
in the manga in the flashback didnt he walk in and his mom did say sasuke run? i seem to remember that but i may be wrong, the manga chapter for around this episode i deleted and i dont feel like downloading it again.