Chouji Alive

[Munsu]

I stopped reading the manga a while back... so this is the only post i will do here...


but my brother spoiled me that Chouji survives... all i can say is that it is a load of crap.... they should have left him dead for a better impact on the plot...

this simply sucks

[Terracosmo]

Damn straight man. I was pissed greatly at the manga for seeing that. And when seeing it in the anime I even tried to force myself into THINKING that he was dead... because his "death" is so fucking good and would have a very good and positive impact on the entire series. Fucking dumbass Kishimoto, fucking DBZ fanboy.. EVERYBODY SURVIVES. ARGH!!!

I CRAVE DEATH

[kAi]

bud you are not alone. HE SHOULD HAVE DIED!

but nooo for reasons terra has already said.

majority will agree.

[Raven]

Well think about it... the aim is to have the reader/viewer sad because they think he's dead. Then, when they find out he's alive, the aim is to make them relieved and happy. Try to liken it to one of your friends apparently dying in hospital, only to find out the next day they pulled through... you'd be overjoyed.

[Ryllharu]

I suppose I'll just have to continue a bit into the *SPOILERS* for those who don't frequent the manga forum, and just say that the effect on Shikamaru if Chouji died would have been tremendous, he probably would have quit being a shinobi right then and there. I'm pretty sure that Konoha would/will need Shika in the future and Chouji's death would have been a serious blow, because more than likely, they'd lose Shika.




Though his death would have brought some seriousness to the series (because the other deaths really haven't), I understand why Kishimoto would do that. I don't entirely agree with him, but there are a LOT of genin who should be dead now, Konohamaru included (That is of course, unless he learns to summon Enma like the Third)

[Terracosmo]

I guess we all just have to face that this is no Berserk. People hardly die here. Though they really need to.
Kishimoto has a lot to learn about these things. Anyone care to send him some mail with "character killing" advice?

I mean seriously, all the heroes survived this ordeal and all the villains they met died... I mean... YAY HOW FUN!
Damn, I don't like saying this, but sometimes it really does feel like a kid's show.

[RasenDori]

well.. obitos dead. *sheds a tear* i ... uh ... got something in my eye

[Assertn]

i dunno....personally i view naruto the way i view an rpg...
you got lots of characters, which you can mix and match for select missions
they each have their own strengths, weaknesses, and abilities...

and they're dead until they get pheonix downed after the battle's over

[Terracosmo]

Assertn, you suck.

[jing]

WHY DIDN'T CLOUD USE A PHOENIX DOWN ON AERIS.

[Terracosmo]

Don't bring that up again. Please. You're gonna make me cry. I loved her. And her high level. And her voice... even though she was mute... and her hair... and her... damnit jing!

[jing]

aww don't cry. tifa is still alive.
by the way i just watched the newest advent children trailer.. and um.. they showed tifa's .,... popping out from shirt.

[samsonlonghair]

Damn straight, chouji should have died. The best thing Chouji could do for the series is provide character developement for Shikamaru; the best way to do that is for him to die.

[Raven]

Originally posted by: jing
aww don't cry. tifa is still alive.
by the way i just watched the newest advent children trailer.. and um.. they showed tifa's .,... popping out from shirt.I just watched the trailers - I didn't see it ... O_o

[Zhan]

oh dude i wanna watch popping out from shirt,...where can i get the trailer?

[jing]

www.adventchildren.net

or used the main square site. its trailler 003. its that or the version subbed by aone, i dont remember.

[Assertn]

terra, you're so hurtful! i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif

i dont think i wouldve got much more out of the series if chouji did die. I guess the realization that major characters CAN dissappear from the story is something that it wouldve offered if he did, but i'm sure he'll just recede back into the background for the most part anyway.

[jing]

Naruto needs some Gantz...

[RasenDori]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
terra, you're so hurtful!

i dont think i wouldve got much more out of the series if chouji did die. I guess the realization that major characters CAN dissappear from the story is something that it wouldve offered if he did, but i'm sure he'll just recede back into the background for the most part anyway.

i hope not. the problem with dragon ball (yes im bringing up dragon so shut the hell up) was that characters were brought back to life and served no future purpose (ie. yamcha, tien, choatzu, kuririn) when kishimoto reveiled that chouji and neji were alive my imediate thought was that kishimoto has a plan for them in the future.

when a main character dies i want it to have a purpose. the characters that die in gantz further develop the change in keis character. if chouji were to die their would be no development for shikamaru. he would have quit being a ninja. end of story

[Niosen]

it can't be true that Chouji killed that fat ass .

chouji was very strong or it is the "elite"...

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

I just don't like the idea that most of the genins are so powerfull. Wasn't Chouji one of the weakest genins? I like that Chouji barely managed to beat him, but Neji had more trouble with the spider bitch than Chouji had with Jiroubu. Chouji deserved to win I guess since Jiroubu was the weakest of the four. But he should have died, the anime did this very very well. The part with him at the tree with the carvings in it was great, but he should have died. It's not that I don't like Chouji, I think he's a good character, it was his time to die and make the arc and the whole anime much better.

[Assertn]

of course neji had it the hardest out of them all
he was the only one among them who beat his opponent without any sort of suicide pill or help from the sand

[PSJ]

chouji used those pills that made him insanely strong he is still one of the weakest genins. neji is one of the best so itso nly expected of him to win on his own i mean what does kiba have against a guy like neji, of course kiba needs help why was he in the mission in the first place? shino would have been the better choice.

[basey44]

but shino was off on a mission with his dad at the time the genins were recruited, according to the anime, i cant remember what the manga said

[RasenDori]

the manga said the same thing. anyways chouji is actually the strogest of the genins in terms of physical strength. but hes weak an all other areas. bascially jiroubou is the same way, pure strength nothing else. chouji and nejis are the only ones that i would expect to take him down single handedly. he would have had nothing against nejis jyuuken, and no other genin but chouji could challenge him in raw strength

[PSJ]

well i hope chouji devolops a little after this into a character that acutally can do cool stuff. he was awesome when he took jiroubou down i smiled when he stopped that punch and looked badass. that was the best part in the mission arc tied with rock lee's and gaara's comebacks

[Deblas]

I knew he wasnt going to die from the start cause of him saying again and again how shikamaru trusts him and acknowledge him that he's strong

[rIcK]

Originally posted by: Deblas
I knew he wasnt going to die from the start cause of him saying again and again how shikamaru trusts him and acknowledge him that he's strong

He should have died though, Chouji is a pointless crap character in my oppinion. Would have been better dead, and imagine someone powerful taking the same strength pills i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[revel911]

I know Chouji living was a surprise to all of us, by why does someone dying make it a good/ bad anime? Personally, I think Chouji has formed into a pretty decent character and I can't wait to see his future.... no people like Ino...... she deserves to die, more worthless than Sakura (pre-Tsuande)

[Deblas]

Is it just me or did chouji look skinnier since he took the red pill

[PSJ]

yea right after he got real skinny but then e started eating again and got fat. i want him to be more in the show after this time jump coming maybe bring in shino a little to.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Deblas
Is it just me or did chouji look skinnier since he took the red pill

the noobest post ive ever read

[PSJ]

haha, dont be like that mr. mod i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif oh man just noticed your post count i better speed up a little....

[Death BOO Z]

Originally posted by: revel911
I know Chouji living was a surprise to all of us, by why does someone dying make it a good/ bad anime? Personally, I think Chouji has formed into a pretty decent character and I can't wait to see his future.... no people like Ino...... she deserves to die, more worthless than Sakura (pre-Tsuande)

When you know some of the charecters might diem in the mission, it creates tension and makes you 'worry' about them. When everybody stays alive even after being completly beaten, the next fights aren't as intersting, since you know they'll all make it out alive.

The thing that really bothered me was the the fact the Chouji declared that he'll certainly die once he takes the red pill, and that 'death' was the only excuse he had for being so cool, and now that he's alive, it pretty much wasted that whole dramtic effect of the fight. Other than that, there was also the part with Lee, the 'long rehab period' tsunade talked about turned into less than a day, and he was able to run in those few hours from the village to Kimimaru, (consider that the surgery started only after the genins left), basically, lots of crap.

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure


Originally posted by: Deblas
Is it just me or did chouji look skinnier since he took the red pill

the noobest post ive ever read

ohh wow. your a real badass now Assertn. you wannabe

[Y]

Originally posted by: Deblas
Is it just me or did chouji look skinnier since he took the red pill

In other news, Naruto's SSJ glow turns red when he uses the Demon chakra. i/expressions/rolleye.gif

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: Y The Alien


Originally posted by: Deblas
Is it just me or did chouji look skinnier since he took the red pill

In other news, Naruto's SSJ glow turns red when he uses the Demon chakra.

no shit dumbass

[Y]

Originally posted by: Deblas
no shit dumbass

I know, my comment was really obvious to anyone who actually paid attention.

Kind of like yours.

Almost as if I was being sarcastic to parody you!

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: Y The Alien


Originally posted by: Deblas
no shit dumbass

I know, my comment was really obvious to anyone who actually paid attention.

Kind of like yours.

Almost as if I was being sarcastic to parody you!

parody me? your the one with the dumbass spoiler title. your just one of those wannabe badasses who are just little sissys in the real world and use the internet to try and be tough. you're pathetic

[Assertn]

if you post something ridiculous, then you should expect the comments you got.
sheesh, kids these days

[Deblas]

ohh im sawwy assertn. ill never do it again i/expressions/heart.gif

EDIT: NOT!!!i/expressions/devil.gif

[Y]

Originally posted by: Deblas


Originally posted by: Y The Alien


Originally posted by: Deblas
no shit dumbass

I know, my comment was really obvious to anyone who actually paid attention.

Kind of like yours.

Almost as if I was being sarcastic to parody you!

parody me? your the one with the dumbass spoiler title.

Like that has anything to do with this situation. Yet another brilliant observation by Deblas.

[Mut]

fight fight fight.

[Y]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
fight fight fight.

my custom title wins

[Souryusen]

Originally posted by: Deblas
EDIT: NOT!!!

Man, '94 was a cool year.

[Assertn]

lol, deblas i dont care if you post like that....in fact im rather amused by it. I'm just saying that if people make fun of you, then you'll know why.
If you never made a big deal about it, then people wouldnt be talking about it like they are now

[Deblas]

IM HATED THROUGHOUT GOTWOOT NOW!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!(starts swallowing pills)

[Daniel of Lorien]

Originally posted by: Deblas
IM HATED THROUGHOUT GOTWOOT NOW!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!(starts swallowing pills)

personally I think you should be banned... you're a moron

as for Chouji not dieing... I think that the person who said Shika would quit is very much right and also if Tsunada hand't been there he would have died. As for Neji did you see that damn seal they used to save his life? That stuff was crazy! It's not like they just got up and walked away and I think they all will be in the next mission... wonder if someone will die fighting then? They'll probably meet up with Itachi and his 8 friends i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[PSJ]

i dont think kishimoto will focus on the genin now he will rpobably focus on akatsuki and naruto/sasuke and itachi.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

I'm thinking Naruto will be around some genin as well though. It would be somewhat boring to go back to only Naruto and Sasuke fights.

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: Daniel of Lorien
[quote]
Originally posted by: Deblas
IM HATED THROUGHOUT GOTWOOT NOW!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!(starts swallowing pills)

personally I think you should be banned... you're a moron

You Bastard! i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif. why dont you just go back to rubbing assertn feet kiss ass

[Assertn]

stop flaming deblas.....you've been warned

[Terracosmo]

I can't fucking believe you keep this anti-Deblas thread alive and close little http://valethcosmo.free.fr/kimikimi.jpeg's home!!!11

[Souryusen]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
I can't fucking believe you keep this anti-Deblas thread alive and close little http://valethcosmo.free.fr/kimikimi.jpeg's home!!!11

Your thread about Boner became an anti-Deblas thread too... no repeat threads, Mr. Mod. i/expressions/wine.gifi/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
I can't fucking believe you keep this anti-Deblas thread alive and close little http://valethcosmo.free.fr/kimikimi.jpeg's home!!!11

Seriously! How could you throw such a cute thing out on the streets and not throw such an ugly nasty stupid thing (Deblas) out on the streets as well?

[Terracosmo]

@Sour: It is not my fault that people have failed to grasp the cutesy of http://valethcosmo.free.fr/kimikimi.jpeg

How that is related to Deblas I don't know but... wait.. you are just fucking with me! Argh! Don't do that when I'm tired!

[Souryusen]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
@Sour: It is not my fault that people have failed to grasp the cutesy of http://valethcosmo.free.fr/kimikimi.jpeg

How that is related to Deblas I don't know but... wait.. you are just fucking with me! Argh! Don't do that when I'm tired!

He parts the flesh of his arm, exposing muscle and connective tissue, to remove one of his OWN BONES which he then morphs into an edged weapon while his flesh knits itself back together. Tha's fuckin' cute right there.

...I also can't wait to see how they do it in the anime.

[Terracosmo]

Yep... sooooo cute ^_^

[Knives122]

he really wasnt that great seeing how he died, but he would've been pretty cool if he was a on and off character

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

He would've died anyway. It's kinda weird thinking back on it now... Gaara was able to defeat Kimimaro, but Naruto wasn't. Yet naruto was able to defeat Gaara. I bet Gaara woulda wooped Sasuke's bitch ass.

[Terracosmo]

Gaara didn't defeat him. Kimimaro survived through even that, disease killed him. If he didn't magically turn into stone when he popped out again, he'd kill both Gaara and Rock Lee in the surprise attack he had coming (when he screamed YOU KNOW NOTHING, SONSOFBITCHES!!111)

[Mut]

gaara admitted he and lee would've gotten their asses kicked if it weren't for kimimaro's sickness. one of the reasons why kimimaro died FROM the illness and not by an actual opponent was to show that no one that was there could've taken on kimimaro.

god... why do i keep needing to tell the obvious to you guys over and over again...

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Hmm...... Well I guess I better go read the chapters over again. When I first went through the manga I did it in such a rush to catch up I guess I missed some things.

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: Kagemane_no_Jutsu


Originally posted by: Terracosmo
I can't fucking believe you keep this anti-Deblas thread alive and close little http://valethcosmo.free.fr/kimikimi.jpeg's home!!!11

Seriously! How could you throw such a cute thing out on the streets and not throw such an ugly nasty stupid thing (Deblas) out on the streets as well?

Since when im a ugly nasty stupid thing

[Knives122]

oh well, whether or not the reason why he died was to re-itterate the fact that no one could take him, technically Gaara and Lee still won the fight, so we can get back on with what ever this topic was about

[jing]

Originally posted by: Knives122
oh well, whether or not the reason why he died was to re-itterate the fact that no one could take him, technically Gaara and Lee still won the fight, so we can get back on with what ever this topic was about

hes with Deblas, GET HIM!!!

...
j/k i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[basey44]

what are they gonna do when lee is meant to fight kimi, cos didnt he take the sake instead in the manga, but in the anime tsu gave him the medicine, also last time we say him in the anime he couldnt walk up those steps, but now in the same day hes meant to be able to fight the most awesomest character in the series?

[Ryllharu]

1) Tsunade's healing methods are that awesome.

2) Lee's determination makes him heal faster.

3) A little sake always does a body good.

Take your pick, all are valid reasons in the nonsense world of Naruto, where nothing ever really has to make sense, especially when comparing events in the manga and anime. Though if I really had to pick one, I'd go with number 2.

EDIT: Anyhow, in the manga, Lee took what he thought was medicine (obviously, it was the sake) due to a mixup from Tsunade. (She left her sake there). She may have given him the sake at that point in the anime, or they may be doing something different as to not promote underage drinking.

[Assertn]

you guys, gaara still did better on kimimaro than naruto did....simply put.....

Kimimaro without a seal was better than 100 kyubi narutos
Kimimaro with level 1 seal was better than drunk lee
Kimimaro with level 2 seal was better than gaara

therefore, gaara obviously stood better against kimimaro than naruto did. Hopefully, you guys wouldve figured it out by now, though, that its almost a paper/rock/scissors between these matches, and just because kimimaro slaughtered naruto, doesnt mean that kimimaro must be better than the new sasuke is, even though naruto stood a better chance against sasuke.

besides, level 2 kyubi naruto could probably kick gaara's ass

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

I would hope so if regular kyubi naruto kicked Gaara's ass.

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: jing


Originally posted by: Knives122
oh well, whether or not the reason why he died was to re-itterate the fact that no one could take him, technically Gaara and Lee still won the fight, so we can get back on with what ever this topic was about

hes with Deblas, GET HIM!!!

...
j/k

aaaaaaaaaaah(runs away from angry mob)

[kAi]

you guys, gaara still did better on kimimaro than naruto did....simply put.....

Kimimaro without a seal was better than 100 kyubi narutos
Kimimaro with level 1 seal was better than drunk lee
Kimimaro with level 2 seal was better than gaara

therefore, gaara obviously stood better against kimimaro than naruto did. Hopefully, you guys wouldve figured it out by now, though, that its almost a paper/rock/scissors between these matches, and just because kimimaro slaughtered naruto, doesnt mean that kimimaro must be better than the new sasuke is, even though naruto stood a better chance against sasuke.

besides, level 2 kyubi naruto could probably kick gaara's ass

agree completely, different people have different strengths and weaknesses to others.

Person 1 > Person 2
Person 2 > Person 3
Person 3 > Person 1

[Winged Dancer]

The thing about Kimimaro is that he was a _great_ taijutsu fighter. Great, really really good.

And he was paired up to fight with the sloppiest, brainless fighter in the series - Naruto; whose techique consists in making a bunch of clones and rushing to the enemy. Of course Kimimaro kicked his ass.

What could be interesting would be to see a normal fight between Lee and Kimimaro... no Seals, no Sake, just taijutsu and, in Kimi's case, his bloodline limit. I don't think Lee would be at such disadvantage then...

Maybe Kimimaro's weakness would be distance-fighters, but then again he can (eww) fire his fingertips and the spider-man dude that Neji fought was that kind of fighter and yet admited that he got whooped by Kimi.

BTW, full armor Kyubi Naruto vs. Kimi - advantages? No?

[Assertn]

naruto's worst matchup is any fast taijutsu user who wastes no time

[PSJ]

yep naruto stand no chance against taijutsu fighters his taijutsu is a joke. i hope naruto will be a skilled ninja after the time jump and not just a grown version of the current naruto with brainless tactics and no skills at all.

[Knives122]

well he's being trained by Jiraiya, who we've seen fight and it seems like he doesnt waste any time, so yeah hopefully naruto will take on some of jiraiyas fighting characteristics(the good ones)

[PSJ]

yea another thing naruto is sure to take after is the pervertness borh jiraiya and kakashi got. naruto is like a closet pervert waiting to get out.

[Death BOO Z]

Naruto invented Sexy-no-jutsu, you can hardly say that the pervert inside of him is hiding...

and speaking of taijutsu, Naruto already has the ultimate counter for most taijutsu techniques, he just needs to learn to use it properly.
of coure, i'm talking about the rasengan, for these few reasons.
1. close range: unlike the chidori, that needs a running distance in order to be utilized properly, it's possible to hit the rasengan from a stand still position.
2. Low chackra consumption.
3. It's possible to create the rasengan in both hands.
4. psychological effect: like gentsuzo (the bomber, whatever his name was) in HxH, Naruto could use feints with the rasengan in order to push his opponenets back to his favorite range.

it was already proven that it's possible to use the rasengan in fist fights, as was shown by jiraya blowing up the stone legendary chunin (i think the poor guy was called yami). So far, Naruto has been using it as his 'chidori'- same movement as Sasuke, and thus burdenning on himself all the problems the chidori has, the same problems which require the sharingan to overcome them.

If Kishimoto (after the break) will change the way naruto uses the rasengan, i'll actually stop being hateful and admit he's restored to his former glory.

[Hakeem_21]

I really hope Naruto becomes more skilled and acts like a ninja after the jump more like Neji in his fight agianst Spider man,that was skill,tactics and awsome.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
I really hope Naruto becomes more skilled and acts like a ninja after the jump more like Neji in his fight agianst Spider man,that was skill,tactics and awsome.

Yeah but that was also just raw intelligence. You can't teach intelligence.

[Souryusen]

I'd be interested to see one of those charts rating each character's skills as of when the series cut off for the Gaiden. One would think that Naruto's ninjutsu skill would have increased some (rasengan, water walking, kuchiyose) or chakra molding or whatever the catagory was....

edit: Naruto's fighting style will need to evolve. Chances are Kagebunshin aren't going to impress anyone anymore. Not to mention the fact that if he uses it so much as once against Sasuke he'll be fighting an Uchiha army.

[Winged Dancer]

Ar, as long as we don't start the "Can Kage-bunshin be copied with the sharingan?" discussion again...

But yes. The Kage Bunshin were alright when he was a genin - everyone was like OMGWTF a genin can do that?? TehsuXX0r!!!!1111 and like that. Now, now that he's fiftneen, the Kage Bunshin will probably have been learned by at least one or two of the other genins... not to say about Sasuke and Sakura, who'll prolly be taught the technique by Orochimaru and Tsunade (it's be too stupid if they didn't).

So yeah, Naruto's style will probably get better... I have the feeling though that when the second part kicks off Naruto will seem to be the same moron he was, fighting stupidly and the like. And then, without beig dark or anything, he'll be all like "Well, let's stop playing" and kick some ass... not as much as others would, but still some kickage.

And of course he'll be a pervert. I can't believe there are people who doubt that.

[RasenDori]

i cant imagine naruto without him being the idiot that rushes in. even after the time jump i can still see that. the intelligence edge that naruto will have on his opponents is that hes a natural prankster, but this time way more powerful. although i do expect him to think more often, and keep his cool a little better, he just wouldnt be naruto if he didnt mess up every now and again

[kAi]

he'll act like jiraiya.
play around and joke when not in serious trouble.
straight to the point when things heat up and need it.

oh i nearly forgot, and be a pervert.

[basey44]

well if he ends up too much like jiraiya he'll end up hengeing a kagebunshin and make it a sexy no jutsu so he can perv on it, i reakon jiraiya would do that if he was left alone for a little while

if naruto learnt to control the rasengan properly then yes he could have one in each hand and learn to fight in an open fist style like the hyuugas and also he wouldnt really need to go for critical hits cos itd be like fighting with a saw in each hand. id like to see him fight like this after the jump, i doubt itd happen though i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif

also i was wondering if someone could tell me whos technique the rasengan is, did jiraiya invent it or the 4th. or is it an old technique passed down through the generations. sorry i forgot.

[Ryllharu]

Originally posted by: basey_69
well if he ends up too much like jiraiya he'll end up hengeing a kagebunshin and make it a sexy no jutsu so he can perv on it

Happened in a fan fiction hentai (but you didn't hear that from me i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif )

[Phoenix23]

Originally posted by: basey_69also i was wondering if someone could tell me whos technique the rasengan is, did jiraiya invent it or the 4th. or is it an old technique passed down through the generations. sorry i forgot.AFAIR, IIRC, the 4th invented it and then Jiraiya learned it as well (could be wrong, though).

[Deblas]

No your right Phoenix23. Jiraiya learned it from the 4th

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Winged Dancer
Ar, as long as we don't start the "Can Kage-bunshin be copied with the sharingan?" discussion again...

hmm, such a discussion existed?? i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif

personally, I was dissappointed that sasuke DIDNT copy the kage bunshin yet.....
wtf is the point of being able to copy jutsus if you never copy jutsus!

[basey44]

does that mean sasuke can also copy the rasengan?? or is that not really a jutsu and is just like some kinda chakra controlly thingy.

[Phoenix23]

Originally posted by: basey_69
does that mean sasuke can also copy the rasengan?? or is that not really a jutsu and is just like some kinda chakra controlly thingy.It's chakra control, not a jutsu (no hand seals are involved, and neither is taijutsu). While Sasuke might be able to see how it's done (and learn the theory behind it), he may not be able to actually use it; chances are that Kakashi may have seen the 4th use the rasengan (he seemed to recognise it straight away when Naruto used it at the hospital), but we've seen no indication of Kakashi being able to actually use it...

Besides, Sasuke's pride might prevent him from "recognising" the rasengan as equivalent/superior to the chidori (which would be suggested by using it), because of his rivalry with Naruto...

[Raven]

Actually I'm pretty sure there are hand seals involved with the Rasengan, only Jiraiya thought they'd be too complicated for Naruto to comprehend.

I don't think Kakashi would ever use it, it's not really his style. Too big and bulky.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: CmDr_RavEn
Actually I'm pretty sure there are hand seals involved with the Rasengan, only Jiraiya thought they'd be too complicated for Naruto to comprehend.

I don't think Kakashi would ever use it, it's not really his style. Too big and bulky.
i agree, can you imagine kakashi running at like 10000 miles an hour with a rasengan instead of a chidori? just doesn't look right.

and don't bother disagreeing. you'll be wrong.

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: basey_69
well if he ends up too much like jiraiya he'll end up hengeing a kagebunshin and make it a sexy no jutsu so he can perv on it, i reakon jiraiya would do that if he was left alone for a little while

if naruto learnt to control the rasengan properly then yes he could have one in each hand and learn to fight in an open fist style like the hyuugas and also he wouldnt really need to go for critical hits cos itd be like fighting with a saw in each hand. id like to see him fight like this after the jump, i doubt itd happen though

also i was wondering if someone could tell me whos technique the rasengan is, did jiraiya invent it or the 4th. or is it an old technique passed down through the generations. sorry i forgot.


It would really cool if he used rasengan like that then he would be dangerous close range, i really hope he will do that sometime soon after the jump.

[basey44]

yea, cos u know he wouldnt use it as stupidly as naruto does, hed use it smart

[RasenDori]

there are seals to the rasengan, its just that naruto doesnt use them and the sharingan cant copy it just by using it. as we saw, the sharingan predicts movements, its not some sort of majic eye that can breakdown down and interpret a jutsu immediately. the reason why the shraingan "copies" jutsus is because the user copies the seals required. there are also multiple seals to the kage bunshin as we saw in the haku vs. naruto/sasuke fight, but naruto usally only uses the last seal (which is not one of the standard seals learned its probally a secret one like that strange finger twisting seal haku used for the ice mirrors) since sasukes never seen the full kage bunshin seal with the sharingan hes been unable to copy it. my guess is that seals heal with molding a correct amount of chakra and help it mold in a certain way to perform a jutsu. since the sharingan cant see the amount chakra needed, or how to mold it when full casting seals are used, it is impossible to copy a narutos moves when he doesnt use seals.

[Death BOO Z]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@


Originally posted by: CmDr_RavEn
Actually I'm pretty sure there are hand seals involved with the Rasengan, only Jiraiya thought they'd be too complicated for Naruto to comprehend.

I don't think Kakashi would ever use it, it's not really his style. Too big and bulky.
i agree, can you imagine kakashi running at like 10000 miles an hour with a rasengan instead of a chidori? just doesn't look right.

and don't bother disagreeing. you'll be wrong.

is that a challenge? I'm feeling pretty inscure right now so i can't let that go unanswered...

Wasn't Kakashi's Chidori created in order to imitate the Rasengan? the rasengan is lacking both in terms of usuability and in power, it's so flawed that it actually requires to steal an eyeball in order to be used properly...

the fact that the rasengan so far looks compeltly idiotic is becuase Naruto's the one doing it, and everything Naruto does looks stupid, even when it's cool. If Kakashi had the rasengan,he wouldn't need to run at his enemies, he'd be able to just blast them apart when they get close to him...

[basey44]

im just waiting for naruto and sasuke to kill their first person
even kiba and them killed people in the forest of death, and that was ages ago. granted they did use traps but they still killed them

[Phoenix23]

Originally posted by: RasenDori
there are seals to the rasengan, its just that naruto doesnt use them
When Jiraiya introduced Naruto to the rasengan, he explicitly said that it didn't use any hand seals...

[Death BOO Z]

he said that there is no need for Naruto to remember such complex seals...
hand seals are for modyfing chackra, both the quantity and the type, the rasengan doesn't base itself on chackra types or insanly huge amounts of chackra, it's all about the spinning motion...
so, like most other jutsus, it's possible to be done without using handseals, it's just harder...
and as for why Jiraya had him learn it without the seals... it was probably so that Itachi won't be able to copy it....

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
the rasengan is lacking both in terms of usuability and in power, it's so flawed that it actually requires to steal an eyeball in order to be used properly...
don't you mean chidori...

anyway, chidori isn't really lacking anything. granted the sharingan is needed to use chidori the way kakashi uses it, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily lacking in usability. if someone with sharingan were able to do rasengan, the jutsu would be even better. and as for power... i'm not sure where rasengan has the upper hand compared to chidori. chidori is actually more devastating than rasengan considering that it disintegrates anything it touches when rasengan is just a super powerful, swirling punch. so for example, if you dropped a a piece of wood on top of chidori, it'll just explode into tiny pieces (obviously there won't be flames or anything) but if you did the same for rasengan, it'll just bounce right off. imagine it like you are trying to throw something into a fan. it just gets tossed away.

yeah, i'm just making stuff up now.

[basey44]

well i wouldve thought the wood would also get ripped to bits with the rasengan.

[Death BOO Z]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@


Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
the rasengan is lacking both in terms of usuability and in power, it's so flawed that it actually requires to steal an eyeball in order to be used properly...
don't you mean chidori...

anyway, chidori isn't really lacking anything. granted the sharingan is needed to use chidori the way kakashi uses it, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily lacking in usability. if someone with sharingan were able to do rasengan, the jutsu would be even better. and as for power... i'm not sure where rasengan has the upper hand compared to chidori. chidori is actually more devastating than rasengan considering that it disintegrates anything it touches when rasengan is just a super powerful, swirling punch. so for example, if you dropped a a piece of wood on top of chidori, it'll just explode into tiny pieces (obviously there won't be flames or anything) but if you did the same for rasengan, it'll just bounce right off. imagine it like you are trying to throw something into a fan. it just gets tossed away.

yeah, i'm just making stuff up now.

yep, i meant Chidori, nothing like a stupid mistake to leave my post invalied...

The chidori's flaws are obvious, even Kakashi (the supreme Chidori master) can use it only 3 times a day, compared to Naruto's ability to use it all day long (think back to his trainning)...
another flaw is the fact that the chidori requires you to stop your enemy from moving before it's used, Kakashi had to summon the dogs to catch Zabuza and Sasuke had to wait until Gaara went into the ball mode, the Rasengan, howevr, can be used immidiatly from zero range, without any limits.
and about the destructive power... even if we ignore the hospital scene that prooved the rasengan is more powerful than the Chidori (think about the diffrence: the chidori would cut off a hand, the rasengan would blow the hand into pieces), there's still a critical flaw in your example (the one with the wood): we already saw the effects of the rasengan on trees (somewhere in 150 -165), they didn't bounce off, the exploded.

oh, and the chidori doesn't disingrates, it cuts, the Rasengan is alot of composed chackra which gets released with a bang, a really big BANG.

sure, someone with the sharingan could make a better use of the rasengan, but it's only because the sharingan gives you an edge on movement, not having it doesn't cuase a serious problem like not having the sharingan with the chidori.

and by the way, we aren't talking about this chidori -
http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~s_kim/images/chidorisig1.jpg
even though she looks good

[Mut]

kakashi does NOT need to catch his opponent first. just because we saw ONE example of it that doesn't mean it is what he must do in order for chidori to work. we've seen chidori users attack with chidori without needing to capture the opponent first almost every single time. and sasuke didn't wait until gaara got into that ball. sasuke tried attacking with taijutsu and it didn't make a dent and that's is when sasuke tried chidori to cause some damage NOT so he can have a stationary target. and as for rasengan being able to be used immediately from zero range... why can't chidori do that? it's the exact same type of technique (a thrust motion) except they differ in their destructive powers. it's just that chidori is more effective when one has a running start. in every case we saw rasengan being used, it could've been substituted with chidori. for example, when naruto grabbed kabuto (oh, look, i guess rasengan is the jutsu that needs capturing opponents since it's SO slow) and then hit him with the rasengan, would it have not worked if sasuke was in place of naruto and used chidori instead? of course not. in fact, it would've probably killed kabuto instantly since he'd have a hole in his chest instead of just a sever bruise inside and outside.

also, i would've had a major flaw in my example if i meant what you're talking about now. but i don't. of course the wood didn't bounce off in the show because IT WAS PLANTED TO THE GROUND. i was talking about if someone dropped a PIECE of wood (unattached to anything) on top of a rasengan...

lastly, i'm still not sure how rasengan is a 'bang.' although i agree that chidori can cut.

[Souryusen]

My guess is that the only reason the Rasengan bores holes through trees is that it doesn't have the power to uproot them and send them flying like it Kabuto or Mut's hypothetical piece of wood.

edit: Dammit mut, you beat me to it.

Also.. I don't necessarily believe that Chidori and Rasengan are the same type of move.

[Mut]

so, you don't think they're a technique that requires a thrust motion...?

but yeah, i don't think i worded it very accurately in my previous post. what i meant was that both techniques require the users to move in a 'punching' like motion.

[Death BOO Z]

Chapter 113 - Sasuke fighting Gaara.
"this is perfect, since mine also takes some time"
if the Chidori could be used from a zero range, then Kakashi and Sasuke wouldn't have spent time running, would they?

here's an example of times when the chidori couldn't have been used: when Naruto and the others were trapped inside jiroubnaru's ball, even though it offered no help, Naruto had the space to use the rasengan, and Sasuke wouldn't have had the privilage.
a diffrent situation, chapter 200: Naruto uses the rasengan as a feint, the chidori can't be used like that, the chidori is like having a gun with two bullets while the rasengan is like having a machine gun with an ammo truck behined you.

about Kabuto, if you look closely (chapters 167-168), you'd see that before the actual rasengan connected, Kabuto used his hand to push himself away from naruto, so he only got hurt by the outer winds of the rasengan, not by the actual BANG, and that's why he went flying backwards and not outwards. if it was the chidori then Sasuke could have never used it, since he wouldn't have the space avaliable to do so (naruto had to grab Kabuto, and Sasuke couldn't be running and holding Kabuto at the same time, he isn't Saito, you know).

and it didn't just cause a bruise, it burnt the skin of to the abdomen, there's actually some guts shown before the cells finish regenrating...
the rasengan isn't slow, it depends on the speed and the intellegence of the user, and so far that's the reason it doesn't seem so powerful, it's only becuase naruto's an idiot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Souryusen/Uchisig.jpg
damn, i also want a pictured sig...

[Souryusen]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
so, you don't think they're a technique that requires a thrust motion...?

but yeah, i don't think i worded it very accurately in my previous post. what i meant was that both techniques require the users to move in a 'punching' like motion.

Of course the method of delivery is the same. I simply meant that there are circumstances where I would choose one over the other.



Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
here's an example of times when the chidori couldn't have been used: when Naruto and the others were trapped inside jiroubnaru's ball, even though it offered no help, Naruto had the space to use the rasengan, and Sasuke wouldn't have had the privilage.

He "had the space" to use Rasengan? I don't recall Sasuke needing much space to put chidori through Naruto's lung.

edit:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Souryusen/room2run.jpg

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
so, you don't think they're a technique that requires a thrust motion...?

for some reason this line made me think i was in the "sexiest jutsu" thread i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[Death BOO Z]

you mean the jumping space of the rivers width? no space needed at all.

the reason why the two jutsus seem so similiar is becuase Naruto tries copying the motion Sasuke uses with the chidori, so he ends up doing those ridiculious duals with sasuke, instead of just blasting him away in close range fights...

oh, no new sigs to copy

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
Chapter 113 - Sasuke fighting Gaara.
"this is perfect, since mine also takes some time"
if the Chidori could be used from a zero range, then Kakashi and Sasuke wouldn't have spent time running, would they?
kakashi did chidori 10 feet away from orochimaru... and so did sasuke in front of itachi and to naruto. not only that kakashi used chidori to blow up the tree trunk RIGHT in front of him and furthermore, sasuke hit naruto in point blank range with a chidori just in the previous arc. RUNNING is NOT a requirement. yes, it makes it more effective, but it's attacking method of rasengan and chidori is almost identical; a straight forward thrust. if running towards the enemy was input into the steps of using rasengan, i bet it'd be even more effective than it is now. i seriously don't understand how people can differentiate the rasengan and chidori's movements. also, sharingan is only needed for chidori because of the way kakashi chooses to use it. i can't even make an example out of how the rasengan is used any more differently than chidori cuz it's the exact same type of technique.



here's an example of times when the chidori couldn't have been used: when Naruto and the others were trapped inside jiroubnaru's ball, even though it offered no help, Naruto had the space to use the rasengan, and Sasuke wouldn't have had the privilage.
a diffrent situation, chapter 200: Naruto uses the rasengan as a feint, the chidori can't be used like that, the chidori is like having a gun with two bullets while the rasengan is like having a machine gun with an ammo truck behined you.
ok... in that rock dome, could sasuke have not around in circles to build up speed...? for someone or something to build up speed, it doesn't need to have a 10 mile runway. and yes... i am aware that chidori cannot be used as many times as rasengan. no need to bring that up.



about Kabuto, if you look closely (chapters 167-168), you'd see that before the actual rasengan connected, Kabuto used his hand to push himself away from naruto, so he only got hurt by the outer winds of the rasengan, not by the actual BANG, and that's why he went flying backwards and not outwards. if it was the chidori then Sasuke could have never used it, since he wouldn't have the space avaliable to do so (naruto had to grab Kabuto, and Sasuke couldn't be running and holding Kabuto at the same time, he isn't Saito, you know).
he didn't PUSH naruto away... his left hand wasn't used to push away, but to hit naruto's heart with a chakra scapel (or whatever chakra knife jutsu he used) to kill naruto. that's why tsunade says that naruto's heart muscles have been torn up. and OH MY GOD, how is it so hard for people to understand that running is not necessary to inflict damage because of the type of destruction chidori has. as you can see when sasuke used chidori against gaara and itachi. both times when sasuke moved just his arm, the walls got jacked up. and was running needed? no, it wasn't. so therefore... let me say it again, running is NOT needed to inflict damage when using chidori. think back to my example about the piece of wood...



and it didn't just cause a bruise, it burnt the skin of to the abdomen, there's actually some guts shown before the cells finish regenrating...
ROFL, no it doesn't show kabuto's guts. it just shows his burnt skin, that's all.

[Death BOO Z]

well, after reading the naruto sasuke fight again, I admit i was wrong about the running, and that was about all we were discussing in the last few posts, I'll honorbly quit the discussion after this post...

Kakshi never thought that he might actually be able to hurt Orochimaru, he wanted to scare Oro off so he showed his best jutsu, he didn't even try attacking.

oh, and by the way
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Souryusen/room2run.jpg

FGT is short for FaGgoT, right? or is it something else?

oh, you still can only do the chidori in one hand...

[basey44]

if only the fourth was still around to show the full potential of the rasengan.
i just wanna see someone keep it in both their hands in a taijutsu fight using a sort of open palm attack with the rasengan in it.

im sure it totally possible for someone with enough chakra control, hey maybe sakura should learn it then kick the shit out of naruto and sasuke

[piasEnigma]

is there a giant fucking boulder in your eye sir?

[Rynoa]

Chouji is not week... He uses those food pills, like Kabuto uses his soldier pills, like Orochimaru uses his tongue and snakes and sword, like Kiba with akamaru, like naruto with kyuubi, like sasuke and itachi and kakashi with sharingan, like tsunade with katsuyo, like jiraiya with those frogs, like neji and hinata use bayakugan, like shino and his bugs, tenten and weapons, temari and fan, gaara and sand, akastsuki ino-like with that freaking bird jutsu, the four sound with the level 2 curse... and so on >_<... They all cheat, and they're not weak...

people he uses something to his advantage... saying for him not to use the pills because he cheated is the same way telling naruto not use kyuubi, tell sasuke not use sharingan, tell jiraiya to not use his frogs (O.o) and so on...

[Xdrag]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@


Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
Chapter 113 - Sasuke fighting Gaara.
................................
ROFL, no it doesn't show kabuto's guts. it just shows his burnt skin, that's all.

Thats a lot of arguing. What are you trying to defend here? You've changed your ideas so many times i don't even follow you anymore.

Note: the Rasengan rips/tears (the water tower) and burns (because of the intense chakra gathered- how naruto burn his hand from training).
Agrees with Mut, Chidori does not need a running motion (as kakashi explained it, Chunin Exam, he wanted sasuke to have "super" speed because it adds to the destrutive power-correct me if i'm wrong)



Originally posted by: Mut@t@
[quote]
Originally posted by: CmDr_RavEn
Actually I'm pretty sure there are hand seals involved with the Rasengan, only Jiraiya thought they'd be too complicated for Naruto to comprehend.

I don't think Kakashi would ever use it, it's not really his style. Too big and bulky.
i agree, can you imagine kakashi running at like 10000 miles an hour with a rasengan instead of a chidori? just doesn't look right.

and don't bother disagreeing. you'll be wrong.

First of all, even if kakashi wanted to do the rasengan, he can't
2nd, yes the chidori does look better than the rasengan because it looks more sleek and lighitng effects.
3rd, i don't like your "you'll be wrong attitude", pisses me off

_________________ i think were going off topic, this is the I want chouji dead topic

[Mut]

learn how to correctly quote.

and i'll be bring in a cryptology team to decipher your post.

[hiten mitsurugi]

Gentlemen, Rasengan and Chidori do not differ in many categories. However, Chidori is flawed, even the fourth said so. Because you thrust out with the chidori, you leave yourself open to attack, so it required one sharingan eye to enhance it (notice it didn't say complete the jutsu). This is actually more of a blood line limit since it works better with Sharingan, e.g. read your oponents movement and plunge Chidori where the oponent will be. Chidori also utilizes a lot (emphasis on al lot) of chakra. Not sure how many rasengans can be performed in a single day (Naruto would be an unfair comparison because of additional chakra provided by Kyuubi, Jaraiya would be better but he's a sennin). Rasengan is more powerful, the two water towers showed us and Sasuke the difference in the two jutsus.

As for proximity of use and all that other bull shit. It all depends on the wielder. For example, Sasuke's chidori would be less effective than Kakashi's and Naruto's rasengan would be less effective than Jaraiya's. When I say effective, I don't mean in terms of power (allthough it would be a factor), I mean in terms of use. From what I've seen of Sasuke he just waves chidori around alot. The exchanges between Gaara and Sasuke, in my opinion were stupid, it reminded me of old Samurai movies where they run at each other from a distance exchanging blows. Of course both rasengan and chidori would be more effective if their targets were held down or stationary. It is much harder to hit a moving target.

If Chouji had died, just how does that create a better impact on the plot? You could have said the same thing for all of the other characters (Sasuke, Neji, Kiba, Shikamaru, can't really say Naruto since that would be the end of the manga). Is it because you dislike "FA... I mean BIG BONED PEOPLE?"

[Xdrag]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
learn how to correctly quote.

and i'll be bring in a cryptology team to decipher your post.

First of all, i didn't quote your whole bsing statements because it'll be a waste of ppls time to hear your bs. your a very ignorant and native person. My point: stop FLAMING ppl and think your ALWAYS right, because your wrong sometimes. Don't bother replying to this, you'll just add more BS which i don't want to read, and i won't.

If chouji died, the plot would be messed up. People die for a GOOD reason, like the forth. When the forth died, the plot was developed from it. If chouji died.. he isn't really a main stream character and plot would be influenced by it but probably not as profound as the death of the forth would be. Who wanted the forth to die? not me personall., who wants chouji to die? i don't really care. BUT if neji died, i would hate naruto cause neji is awsome and he probably has new ass-kicking ninjustsus in the new series >=)

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Xdrag


Originally posted by: Mut@t@
learn how to correctly quote.

and i'll be bring in a cryptology team to decipher your post.

First of all, i didn't quote your whole bsing statements because it'll be a waste of ppls time to hear your bs. your a very ignorant and native person. My point: stop FLAMING ppl and think your ALWAYS right, because your wrong sometimes. Don't bother replying to this, you'll just add more BS which i don't want to read, and i won't.


I am not a native, and please tell me where I am wrong. You being pissed off about me "thinking" I'm always right really has no significance. I don't directly ask you to read my posts. If you see a post made by me, take your own advice and feel free to skip over it. I'm not forcing you or anyone to read them.

[Captain Grammar]

You guys should keep the drama in PMs.

[hiten mitsurugi]

Originally posted by: Xdrag
If chouji died, the plot would be messed up. People die for a GOOD reason, like the forth. When the forth died, the plot was developed from it. If chouji died.. he isn't really a main stream character and plot would be influenced by it but probably not as profound as the death of the forth would be. Who wanted the forth to die? not me personall., who wants chouji to die? i don't really care. BUT if neji died, i would hate naruto cause neji is awsome and he probably has new ass-kicking ninjustsus in the new series >=)


Just wanted to ask, why would you blame Naruto? If Neji died, isn't it because they went after a traitor, lost cause, Benedict Arnold, ...etc. So shouldn't your hatred be against Sasuke and not Naruto. Neji is my favorite char, but I wouldn't misplace my hate. It would be towards the guy who started it all, and that would be Sasuke!!!

[jing]

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi


Originally posted by: Xdrag
If chouji died, the plot would be messed up. People die for a GOOD reason, like the forth. When the forth died, the plot was developed from it. If chouji died.. he isn't really a main stream character and plot would be influenced by it but probably not as profound as the death of the forth would be. Who wanted the forth to die? not me personall., who wants chouji to die? i don't really care. BUT if neji died, i would hate naruto cause neji is awsome and he probably has new ass-kicking ninjustsus in the new series >=)


Just wanted to ask, why would you blame Naruto? If Neji died, isn't it because they went after a traitor, lost cause, Benedict Arnold, ...etc. So shouldn't your hatred be against Sasuke and not Naruto. Neji is my favorite char, but I wouldn't misplace my hate. It would be towards the guy who started it all, and that would be Sasuke!!!

Xdrag was obviously talking about Naruto manga.

[potentialflip]

truly it would be very depressing after the whole mission failure for people to die don't you think? the mission was just a huge failure and everyone is down... i think the only way to cheer people up was to keep those characters alive. imagine what would have happened to shikamaru failing both the mission and having his good friend dead. he probably would have committed suicide for that then Naruto will ending up blaming himself because of that and ends up killing himself because he is depressed. truly i liked the fact they stayed alive only because something good had to come out of that whole thing. either Sasuke to come back or Friends stayed alive. truly that is what i think was the only thing that I wanted to happen.

[hiten mitsurugi]

Originally posted by: jing


Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi


Originally posted by: Xdrag
If chouji died, the plot would be messed up. People die for a GOOD reason, like the forth. When the forth died, the plot was developed from it. If chouji died.. he isn't really a main stream character and plot would be influenced by it but probably not as profound as the death of the forth would be. Who wanted the forth to die? not me personall., who wants chouji to die? i don't really care. BUT if neji died, i would hate naruto cause neji is awsome and he probably has new ass-kicking ninjustsus in the new series >=)


Just wanted to ask, why would you blame Naruto? If Neji died, isn't it because they went after a traitor, lost cause, Benedict Arnold, ...etc. So shouldn't your hatred be against Sasuke and not Naruto. Neji is my favorite char, but I wouldn't misplace my hate. It would be towards the guy who started it all, and that would be Sasuke!!!

Xdrag was obviously talking about Naruto manga.

LOL, I guess it wasn't that obvious. I took what he said verbatim. LOL!!!

[Hellraiser]

Kakshi never thought that he might actually be able to hurt Orochimaru, he wanted to scare Oro off so he showed his best jutsu, he didn't even try attacking.

There is no evidence that Chidori is his best jutsu.

[jing]

i would think his signature jutsu is his best jutsu.
orochimaru is infront of him, of course he's going to use his best one.

[Hellraiser]

Maybe his best one requires a shit load of chakra, a lot of space, or takes awhile to cast.

[Death BOO Z]

which were exactly the conditions he was faced with when fighting Zabuza, and he used the chidori there...

[Hellraiser]

No, but um..er.. he used it there to prove to him that he doesn't just copy techniques and didn't survive with just the sharingan.

[jing]

Originally posted by: Hellraiser
Maybe his best one requires a shit load of chakra, a lot of space, or takes awhile to cast.

Sounds like a really creappy jutsu.

[Assertn]

how come this thread is still alive? and there's no chouji reference on this whole page!

[Dezalanel]

Originally posted by: Hellraiser
No, but um..er.. he used it there to prove to him that he doesn't just copy techniques and didn't survive with just the sharingan.

He needs the Sharingan to do the Chidori. If he does it without it he will not be able to see the enemies counterattack. So technically he DOES need the Sharingan for everything lol.

I was waiting for you to post in this forum for quite some time now. Great fucking job on the "speculations" you made on the ep 123 discussion thread (http://forums.gotwoot.net/messageview.cfm?catid=4&threadid=14070&STARTPAGE=6 &enterthread=y). Next time you want to be a manga prophet, keep your mouth shut. You've been warned.

GotWoot Moderator

[Dezalanel]

I just read the manga YESTERDAY!!!! I got impatient and wanted to know what happened!! All those speculations I made were before I read the manga!!! Spoilers are stupid seriously, I would not spoil anything for anime people(Since I was one till yesterday) I swear I am telling the truth. But if you do not believe me whatever, I know I am telling the truth and thats all that matters.

[jing]

don't double post, but yeah. to be fair he did say he just read the manga yesterday on irc.

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hehe i tink this thread went off-topic... the whole speculating on gaara where i knew who dey were but didn't want to mention it. well it was simple to speculate if someone were to take the time to pick up on the clues. kiba sniffs says something is wrong and asks why are they here. well who else could he say that for?