Chapter 241 Discussion

[DeluxSkillz]

http://xscanz.free.fr/naruto241.zip

have fun

[Terracosmo]

Damn you I was just gonna post this lol. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

Kakashi got punched!

[Hakeem_21]

Come on you know you should have called this topic 241 Raw. Dont decieve us!!

[Mut]

<@Mut[at]t[at]> and again
<@Mut[at]t[at]> the female ninja
<@Mut[at]t[at]> proves to be useless
<@Mut[at]t[at]> what a surprise
<Samanosuke> i bet if they had cars she couldnt drive

[kAi]

lol

well i can't wait for a translation. shall be good to see what was said.

[Terracosmo]

<Samanosuke> i bet if they had cars she couldnt drive

ROTFL

[samsonlonghair]

Kakashi's coolness just went down a notch. Oh well, I enjoyed seeing Obito hit him.

[Kenshiro]

from Narutofan



Page 1: Gaiden Part 3: A true hero!
Sidebar: Dreaming of a tomorrow where I'm a true hero...the boy who has inherited the Uchiha name aims for the battlefield!

Page 2:
Sidebar: Obito comes to understand the sadness the Kakashi carries...a brief night of rest turns to day.

Rin: Looks like it's gotten better, but it'll reopen if you overexert yourself. (unsure, cut off)
Kakashi: Got it.

Page 3:
The 4th: Time to get going.
All: Yes!

The 4th: This is where we split up. Good luck, everyone!
From here on out, we're in enemy territory (unsure). This is now a battle of teamwork. Be careful.

Page 4:
Obito: Let's go, Captain.
The 4th: Ok, I'm going!
All: Yes!
All: Scatter!

Page 5:
Nothin'.

Page 6:
Ugly stone nin: Mahiru still hasn't returned from scouting...but there's no way he was beaten by those brats...
Uglier stone-nin: Well, let's have a listen.

Page 7:
Obito: Katon: Goukakyuu no jutsu! (Fire element, Blazing fireball!)

Page 8:
!!!!!!!!!!

Page 9:
Rin: Gyaaaaah!

Page 10:
Uglier Stone-nin: We'll be taking her.
Obito: Kuh!
Kakashi: Wait!

Page 11:
Obito: Damnit!
Kakashi: Obito! Don't go after them!
Obito: What!? What are you talking about!? Do you realize what you're saying?!
Kakashi: Yes...

Page 12:
Kakashi: The two of us will carry out the mission ourselves.
Obito: Rin...What about Rin!!
Kakashi: We'll worry about her later. The enemy needs to know our plans, so they won't kill her right away. Luckily, she's a medic-nin, (illegible), they can use her to heal their allies injuries and whatnot. Moreover, (can't make out enough of the rest to translate)
Obito: (also really illegible, but he's obviously more concerned about Rin)

Page 13:
Obito: Saving Rin takes priority over this mission!
Kakashi: A shinobi must complete the mission, even if it means sacrificing comrades. This is a "law." If we fail this mission, the war will drag on...possibly resulting in many more sacrifices.
Obito: That's just an assumption! You're saying that you'd simply throw away a comrade who's been at your side this whole time? When we suffered injuries, Rin always saved our lives with her medical jutsu! If she wasn't around, you and I might both be dead right now!
Kakashi: That...was Rin's mission.

Page 14:
Obito: I hate you!
Kakashi: I don't care whether or not you hate me. I'm the captain. (illegible)
Whatever situation arises, even if we're separated, there's only one person in charge. Those under the captain have to follow his orders. (can't read the bottom, it's cut off)
Obito: Then why won't you save Rin? You're the only one with the power to do so!

Page 15:
Kakashi: As soon as you let your emotions cause you to fail a mission, you're done for. This is why we shinobi must destroy our emotions. You know that.
Obito: Rin...Rin took care of your body and gave you that medical pack as a present...you should repay the favor and protect her!
Kakashi: She gave me the pack and used her medical jutsu for the sake of completing the mission. That idea is what makes it a wonderful system. Yesterday, you said it yourself: "All this is is excess baggage.".

Page 16:
Kakashi: Shinobi are tools to be used for completing missions... Emotions are just excess baggage.
Obito: Do you really mean that...? Do you really think that!?

Page 17:
Kakashi: ...Yes. I do...

Page 18:
Obito: Fine...you and I are like oil and water! I'm going to save Rin!
Kakashi: You don't understand anything! Do you know what happens to those who break the rules?
Obito: I understand that "The White Fang" was a true hero!

Page 19:
Obito: It's true that in the world of the shinobi, those who break the rules are called trash, but...

(wait for it!)

Those who don't take care of their friends, are lower than trash!

Call me trash if you want. I'm breaking the rules! And if I'm not being a true shinobi, then I'll completely crush what the idea of a shinobi is! (this is said in the same way Naruto speaks)

[kAi]

ahh thnx heaps for that.
i was thinking this was along the lines of what was being said.

EDIT TO BELOW: hahaha, yeah i thought that was cool to

[Knives122]

good translation, Ugly stone-nin and Uglier stone-nin was really specific i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[Jman]

thanks. this chapter was ok. i expect Hatake Kakashi to stop by and post some new crazy theory he thought up after reading this one.

[JusDaMan]

^ ahahahhaha true that^

I expect.... (The new atksuki leader is now rin cause she was kiddnapped and has been training under stone for a while) but hey... someone else may say that

Actucally... that chapter was hot. Now we see kakashi starting to change! LOWER THAN TRASH speech, obito SHOWED HIM! pull out mangekyou sharingan and its a rap obito is the gansgsta's ninja. but he died so he is OG lol

[samsonlonghair]

Beautiful. I love the whole "full circle" concept, cliched though it may be.

[Mut]

this was the most emotional chapter we've had. ever.

i was so shocked when Obit to said, 'i hate you!!!' to kakashi

=[

[Cyrano]

Funny, i was able to get everything in that chapter without any translations... can you say cliche and predictable ? :\

[dragon608608]

Honestly, i admit Obito, so young and not strong yet, but his will is something that can't be compare with. Obito passes his will of fire to kakashi, kakashi passes to Naruto as a circle of life. Obito may not have sharingan yet, but his eye already suppass Kakashi and others. He able to change Kakashi, i hope Naruto, too, have the ability to change Sasuke.

[LobsterMagnet]

I wonder if both Rin and Obito die? No way Rin can be alive if Kakashi states how everyone important to him is dead.

[Souryusen]

I wonder at which point new parents in Konoha will start throwing away their female children.

[queenlatifah]

Obito = my new idol
Rock Lee = 2nd

Obito: "KATON, Goukakyuu no jutsu!"

DAMN.. does anyone else get fricking rock-hard goose bumps around your nipples when Obito/Sasuke yell out KATON while looking like a blowfish??

[Crows_Kill]

Well, we know Obito is a true Uchiha anyway. "Flaming blowfish-no-jitsu!"...lol
Anyone ever thought he might still be alive? Maybe kakashi didnt get his sharingan from him. What if obito went bad, and kakashi recieved his sharingan eye from another uchiha as a way to combat obito? Maybe when kakashi says hes dead, its in the darth vader killed anakin kind of dead. We do know itachi said there was another sharingan user alive who could use the mange- obito maybe?
And rin, aside from acting as a meat shield and a chakra powered band-aid, does anyone else see her as a totaly disposable chracter? At least she doesnt run around yelling "kakashi-kun!"
Now, on to the good stuff. I'm hoping beyond hope we get to see the fourth in action again- anyone else notice he almost looked bored throughout the whole fight with the stone nin? I'd love to see him in a real contest. You know, the konohara females ninjas may suck, but they apear more effectove than 1/2 the ninjas from the other villages. The whole line about the fourth attacking on the main front against the main force of the ninja army sounds awesome. We never get enough jounin on jounin action.

[Lefty]

Originally posted by: queenlatifah
DAMN.. does anyone else get fricking rock-hard goose bumps around your nipples when Obito/Sasuke yell out KATON while looking like a blowfish??

No, and never mention your nipples ever again. The image of some fanboy drooling over a computer at night just makes me feel sick.

BOS: Obito is dead and so is Rin. Kakashi has said this several times. And no we never get enouhg Jounin on Jounin action I want to see the fourth take on that whole army front by him self that would make the past long ass arcs worth it.

[Raven]

I was gonna say we really need a proper translation for this chapter, but that's not true at all because you can pretty easily guess what they're saying...

Can't wait to see how it all pans out.

[Winged Dancer]

I like Obito way more than I like Kakashi at this moment... why must the female ninjas be so damn useless? Only Tsunade is any good at all.

I think that Kakashi will go and complete the mission on his own, and since he's so good, he'll be able to do it perfectly. But then Obito comes back to the Leaf all wounded but he's got Rin, and he's developed the sharingan, he and Kakashi have a duel and Obito wins _because_ of the Sharingan, so Kakashi decides that OMG the sharingan is liek so kewl!!!!111 and that he wants one, in two more weeks Obito and Rin will be killed and Kakashi gets the sharingan, Kishimoto gets his winter vacation and in January we get 15 year old Naruto.


Answering Mut's week-old question of "WHERE IS WINGED DANCER?????", I'm studying for finals, spending 12 hours at school to get a fucking C because my school hates its students. 'Sides, we already have someone who "borrows" the translations from Narutofan, so I'd rather not loose my time on that -.-

See y'all next week =P

[Cion]

"Those who don't take care of their friends, are lower than trash"

Didn't kakashi say this to Naruto Sasuke and Sakura.
When they did that little test on teamwork?


(yes i thought so, ch 8 page 17.)

[Knives122]

Well you have to understand that young Kakashi didnt have the same beliefs that he does now, so its pretty obvious that he will develop those beliefs when Obito and Rin die.

[samsonlonghair]

This gaiden storyline is getting good. I hope it goes on for long enough to answer most of the big questions about Naruto.



Originally posted by: Crows_Kill
We never get enough jounin on jounin action.

That sounds like a pop-up porn ad. "See hot jounin on jounin action! We video taped everything these wild jonins did on spring break for you to see."

[Himura_san]

Originally posted by: queenlatifah
DAMN.. does anyone else get fricking rock-hard goose bumps around your nipples when Obito/Sasuke yell out KATON while looking like a blowfish??

no, it's just you, you freak!

[benjaminz]

Originally posted by: samsonlonghair
This gaiden storyline is getting good. I hope it goes on for long enough to answer most of the big questions about Naruto.
i already thought it was good until this lame chapter came up i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif no action (...well Obito's fire thingy was okay...), lame story (useless Rin/Sakura gets captured, Obito acts like Naruto), and the fourth left :/

can't wait for the upcoming chapters though, so we can see how kakashi got his eye and hopefully see the fourth kick ass

[kAi]

you can't have action every chapter, you need some development,

and also i don't think rin is that bad, but put up against someone that is over your level.
she would be chuunin, and that guy would be jounin,
and she new she was gone before she got taken, but she didn't have the skill to notice earlier or get away, from someone easily superior to her.

[Kalean]

On the subject of Rin, she did appear to be rather useless, but let's put a few things into perspective. A) Medical Ninjas and combat don't really go together. Tsunade and Kabuto are the MOST EXCEPTIONAL medical ninjas in the series. It's probably always been Rin's job to sit out on the sidelines and wait for the fight to end so she can heal her teammates. However, I hardly think she's as weak as everyone assumes. Please note the markings on her face, she's from Kiba's clan. That would make her very annoying to fight. Unless, of course, you're Jounin level. Here we see Kakashi, and he's good, but he's at the bottom tier of the jounin level right now, most likely, and he's the most powerful one on the team, the fourth aside. What chance did she really have at this point?

[kAi]

yeah i don't think she had much of a chance considering what they're up against.
i don't know if she is from kiba's clan, as she doesn't have a dog,
wouldn't everyone from that clan have a dog,
also with the strips there are others that have markings and from different clans or individuals.

[Ryllharu]

Markings on her face don't necessarily mean Rin is from Kiba's clan. I mean, even Chouji and his father have face tatoos. But I agree on the medical nin things. Other than Kabuto and Tsunade, who is by the way (as you should all know), Hokage, we've only seen Shizune and the nameless medic nins that are obviously not combat oriented. That isn't an excuse for how weak most of the female nins are, especially ones taught by the fourth. It's a plot device, girl gets caught, some male protagonist saves her. Naruto is written for young boys, don't expect a masterpiece out of this one.

[samsonlonghair]

A medical nin probably wouldn't run around with dogs. Imagine the possibilities.

Rin: You seem to be recovering well now that you're in a hospital
Sick Ninja: Should you really have that dog in here? It seems a bit unclean.
Rin: Don't be ridiculous.
Sick Ninja: Hey, is he taking a leak in the corner?

[Souryusen]

Originally posted by: samsonlonghair
A medical nin probably wouldn't run around with dogs. Imagine the possibilities.

Rin: You seem to be recovering well now that you're in a hospital
Sick Ninja: Should you really have that dog in here? It seems a bit unclean.
Rin: Don't be ridiculous.
Sick Ninja: Hey, is he taking a leak in the corner?

If you can train a dog to piss acid I think you can train it to hold it for awhile. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[samsonlonghair]

Ha ha. I don't know. I wouldn't want to have to hold acid in my bladder for a very long time. Ha ha.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Kalean
Please note the markings on her face, she's from Kiba's clan.
yes! make shit up no jutsu.

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: Kalean
Please note the markings on her face, she's from Kiba's clan.

just because she has markings on her face doesnt mean shes from kibas clan. you should be nominated for gotwoot survivor

[Raven]

I have to say, I think Kakashi was correct in this situation, because if they abandoned the mission now it would present much greater problems later, considering it was such a crucial objective.

Saving your friends is important and all but in this situation I agree with him, especially with the fact that they won't hurt her if she looks after enemy casualties.

But then again, we know she dies, so... something goes wrong somewhere.

[Nara Tonymaru]

The markings on Rin's face are nothing like the markings of the Inuzuma clan, which usually end in sharp points. Her's don't.

[Souryusen]

Hm.... so Kakashi is faced with the same situation that ruined his father... the important mission or saving a friend. It's still difficult to tell which way he'll lean though. My money's on him trying to accomplish the mission solo, deciding against it and then chasing after Obito, leaving Yondaime to stomp on people solo (I'm sure he's .real worried.)

[Nem]

It states at the left side of the last page that the team is scattered, and the three head off to their own battles, so obviously Kakashi goes on by himself to complete the mission.

[Hatake Kakashi]

Kakashi will go and try to save his comrades. Especially after what Obito said to him.

[samsonlonghair]

I'm thinking that Kakashi will go for his mission at first. By the time he decides to turn around and save his friends, they'll already be dead.

[kAi]

inane translation is out
mangareaders@irc.irchighway.net or your favourite place.

[Hakeem_21]

I agree with kakashi as he said there will be more casualties if he goes after Rin. But since this is manga who is about friendship and stuff he wil go after Rin and more people will die because of that. Or he will be smart and do both things.

[DDBen]

My overall assumption of what is about to take place is that obito goes to save rin and in the process his sharingan awakens. Kakashi meanwhile goes off to take out the bridge and arrives at obito having sacrificed his life to save rin but in the process proving his own strength. Then I expect rin to transplant obito's eye to Kakashi with her last bit of chakra before dying making the eye significant of both there lives.

Kakashi could also attempt to take the bridge and fail initially and in the process he loses a eye and retreates at which point he goes after obito. Generally I'm assuming in him gaining the eye and perfecting the chidori by gaining it that Kakashi will in turn be able to finish the mission but will lose everyone he cares about doing it.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
I agree with kakashi as he said there will be more casualties if he goes after Rin. But since this is manga who is about friendship and stuff he wil go after Rin and more people will die because of that. Or he will be smart and do both things.

yes, because only a smart person would think to continue the mission after saving rin

[Jman]

Originally posted by: Hatake Kakashi
Well the recent revelation about Kakashi's father pretty much sets it into stone that Jiraiya is most likely the father of Yondaime. A lot of people believed that he was Kakashi's, but that isn't the case.

I still think that the Sannin are around during the Gaiden storyline...so perhaps it will end with the revelation of Yondaime's full name, and him perhaps calling Jiraiya and Tsunade mom and dad?

At least, I think that the Sannin are still here. Although the flashback scenes with Jiraiya telling Naruto how Orochimaru left....he looked a lot younger than the scenes during the old flashbacks in his lab..

I dunno though, like all comics continuity is flexible.


Yeah and I suppose Obito's Naruto's father because they both wear similar types of goggles.
Good theory kakashi. The mom and dad part is highly possible. I've seen the light. Jiraiya has gotta be the fourth's dad Seriously this is the best one you've came up with yet.
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/sarcasm

you're still 0-5

[Eurasian]

LOL

not all the characters have to be related. and the possiblity that jiraiya and tsunade are the parents of yondaime is slim. it would be interesting...but unlikely. ntm, tsunade was in love with dan...i don't think she went to seek jiraiya for..uh.."attention."

[Hatake Kakashi]

Yeah and if the mods weren't jerks, maybe people would start posting on here again instead of on Naruto Fan.. (9 topics in the manga forum! Whoo, aint this a kickin place)

This was a great chapter, we finally get to see how much of an influence Obito is on Kakashi. Having Kakashi inherit Obito's motto about companions is great.

I am wondering if the situation that Kakashi put Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura in at the end of their Gennin test will happen.

Like remembr when Naruto was tied to the log, and Sasuke was buried in the ground with only his head up? Kakashi told Sakura to kill Naruto or Sasuke dies...

I'm wondering if that is going to happen to Kakashi's team...like he will have to choose between one of them..

[Mut]

excuse me? your threads getting closed has nothing to do with the mods being 'jerks.' however, it has EVERYTHING to do with you not being able to follow the rules and not using common sense. not only that, narutofan has more members than us and 90% of the threads there are either repeat threads or threads that could go under other threads. everytime i go look at that forum, all i see is absolute garbage and you should be glad GW isn't as messy as that dump. You can be sarcastic all you want, make fun, and keep on posting more of your nonsensical theories but it's not gonna change the fact that you were lacking common sense.

if you still think, for whatever reason, your recent threads should be reopened, PM me.

[xtort]

Off topic: Well Hatake is right about one thing... admins here are assholes! But hell, they are everywhere! i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

On topic: Good story starting. I have the feeling that Obito will help Rin, and get whooped, get saved by Kakashi. I'm only hoping that this includes some more background on the 4th, his real name, some fighting with him, and maybe Rin having a backbone. A non-dominant female character with some skills is sorely lacking in this series. All the women with skill seem to be super-dominant bitches that kick ass. Go Rin go!!!one

-xtortout

[Raven]

That's the first time in my life I've been called an asshole... usually people call me a super-nice guy! Unless of course you weren't referring specifically to me. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

I think that Yondaime is going to do some saving here, probably of Kakashi when Kakashi tries to save the others and fails somehow. It's a good method to demonstrate Yondaime's strength and honour.

[basey44]

dont worry raven i still like u i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

who wouldnt like iceman

[Eurasian]

raven, you're an asshole. jk jk you know i really love you, right right??

even tho it would be nice to know the 4th's name but it's really not that important, imo. what IS important is his abilities. i want to see his JUTSUS!!! probably someone already stated this before me but this is what i think...that obito will, unforutnately, fail to save rin and kakashi comes to help and the 4th joins in. they'll fight separate enemies and get back to konoha. BUT...that wouldn't lead to obito's death. so maybe obito gets mortally wounded and on the way back he dies. i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif who knows...guess we just have to wait.

[Hatake Kakashi]

You guys can call me an idiot or whatever, but I still think that Obito is the Akatsuki leader we saw in the final panel last month. Jiraiya said that their were three Uchiha Clan members who could use the Sharingan in the world. The third has to be Obito-san.

Which would stick to the theme of the series if you guys think about it.

Jiraiya and Orochimaru had a similar relationship and now they are enemies.

Naruto and Sasuke had a similar one, but they are enemies.

Having Kakashi and Obito be enemies isn't out of the question.

So how did he get his Sharingan? Maybe he got it from the hundreds of corpses of the Uchiha clan.

[Mut]

yeah you know, cuz he was just walking along and saw bunch of dead bodies, so he was like, OH SHIT LET ME SNATCH THAT SHIT. and then kakashi put a huge laceration over his eye to give the 'i got hurt in battle and i look cool' effect and then put it in. yeah, makes perfect sense when kakashi's only ties to sharingan are with obito.

[Raven]

It still doesn't explain the fact that he's constantly visiting Obito's memorial.

[Eurasian]

Hatake Kakashi, i can see where you are going with that parallelism. i can see where you got that obito is the leader of the akatsuki. but there's too much of a gap. jiraiya and orochimaru are about the same level. naruto and sasuke are about the same level. but if obito is the leader of the akatuski, wouldn't that make him uber powerful?? well...i can't say how much more powerful..but at least be able to do what itachi did to kakashi.

EDIT: tensai, jiraiya didn't say it..itachi did. just clearing that up. and yes..this gaiden is getting really interesting.

[tensai]

when did jiraiya say that there were three uchiha clan members who can use the sharingan, i dont really know if its was really said or just a misread

this gaiden is getting more and more interesting

if obito was the leader of akatsuki, wouldnt orochimaru have gone after obito(because of the sharingan and hes more powerful) instead of itachi, and kisami mentioned that itachi had killed off all of the uchihas
but the possibility of obito being the leader is still not out of the question
i agree with Eurasian about the power difference thing too

[Hatake Kakashi]

If Obito unlocked the secrets of the Sharingan (brought it out to it's fullest...his eyes were a bit different if that was him at the end) he would be a force. I was impressed in this chapter with his Fireball Jutsu...

Visiting the memorial is just intentional misdirection on Kishimoto's part. It's not like Obito's body is there. Kakashi probably just thinks that he's dead.

I don't think it's a coincidence that he showed the leader of Akatsuki's eyes, and is now telling Kakashi's past. Everything happens for a reason.


Oh and the thing with Kakashi's connection being to the Sharingan through Obito at this point...uh no. Obito doesn't even have it yet. He's not going to get it and it will fully go to three pupils right away.

The only way that he got it from Obito is if they survive this mission and grow up some more and Obito gets killed by Orochimaru (as some say was shown via flashback in Kakashi's mind in the anime..the same shot where they say it looks like the guy was wearing goggles and had the Uchiha symbol on his back..)



Oh and Orochimaru didn't go after Itachi, he's too strong! That's why he chose to go after Sasuke because he is weak. Obito could be even stronger than Itachi, so why go after him then? Get my point?

I'm not saying my theory is def. going to happen, but who's to say it isn't?

[Mut]

what happened to you? i used to think you were sensical and thought logically, but now you're just making stuff up. WHEN did we see the akatsuki leader? HOW do you even know that the person you saw was the leader? and i think you are talking about the very last panel (lower left hand corner) of chap 238... but did you ever think that it's a coincidence that guy's eyes were zoomed in to indicate that he was the one talking? i mean, isn't that a more logical way of thinking since focusing in on to any other part of the body to indicate who is talking is completely stupid?

and when i said kakashi's only ties to sharingan is with obito, i meant in general, not just this point. don't make up words.

and forget the anime. in the manga, that part where we see the blurred out person is just kakashi. it's almost absolutely clear it's kakashi. it can't be obito since, no black hair, no goggles, and especially no uchiha symbol. it's to show that orochimaru's presence can have that kind of killing vibe. nothing else.

everything you've written is a mess...

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure


Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
I agree with kakashi as he said there will be more casualties if he goes after Rin. But since this is manga who is about friendship and stuff he wil go after Rin and more people will die because of that. Or he will be smart and do both things.

yes, because only a smart person would think to continue the mission after saving rin

Or i was thinking about him doing the mission first and then going after Rin and if he finds her dead her dead wouldnt be wasted if he did completed the mission.


Kids like Obito annoys me,they are ninjas and should act like one like Kakashi is!!

[kAi]

the akatsuki are not UBER powerful, there powerful, but they are around the level of jiraiya not overly more,
take kisame for instance, gai and kakashi can fight this guy,
kisame and itachi both ran away from jiraiya WITHOUT taking naruto, they arn't all powerful.
if they were all powerful how easy would it have been to take out jiraiya and take naruto, he still had quite a bit of chakra left as he used amaterasu (sp?)

don't get all confused with this kakashi get owned by itachi, it was a sharingan contest of course kakashi will lose.
orochimaru is just a scardy cat, (no he is) he is so afraid of the sharingan he wont get it off itachi, but i think he could fight him, he mistakes jutsu for power. he is afraid of his jutsu being taken away from him,

oh and i forgot: chapter 238 - page 18-19:
"There's no need to be impatient...yeah. someday, orochimaru will be killed...yeah. but more importantly we only have three years. if we all do it together, our seccess rate will be high...yeah?"

[Hakeem_21]

Yeah if they were as powerfull as people think they wouldnt talk about success rate,they would just do what they want.

[DDBen]

Hatake Kakashi: first off your talking nonsense.

Second the three people who can use the Sharingan are Kakashi, Sasuke and Itachi. Obito is DEAD!

It has been stated everyone important to Kakashi is dead meaning Obito is just flat out dead he is not the leader at all. The fact Kakashi doesn't have the sharingan yet and that this is suppose to be his story would mean to me that this is where he gets it expecially as we know he requires it for the chidori(which the 4th CLEARLY made refernce to already).

As far as how the sharingan awakens thats really unstated were simply going by sasuke in general it would seem to me if it was life or death situation there is no reason it couldn't awaken much faster then in sasuke each person gets a differn't level of the sharingan. There is also no reason that it couldn't have further awakened after Kakashi got it based on the power he has being he's already a jounin if it was to depend on Chakra supply atleast in part it could simply be further devoloped in a better shinobi.

As far as the leader being Obito thats increadably unlikely if it was there would be no uniqueness to Itachi the only way it would serve any purpose is if he somehow convinced Itachi to join him. Either way I'm fairly positive Kakashi got his eye from obito as it came from a friend and after this mission I highly doubt Kakashi will feel he has any friends left.

[Destroyor]

Yes everybody is posting their theory these days and they are absolutely sure they are the only person on this forum that is right and reasonable. Yes, Righteous rightness for everybody ....

Offtopic: Yes, admin are asshole, no doubt about that. I'm going to be banned now right? XD Seriously though, Mut@t@ you could tell any other person that he is flat out wrong but do you have to be so ... er .. hmm ... what's the word? bossy/annoying (ok not the word I'm looking for but let see you try better during the finals -_-|||) about it?

Edit: Yes I'm stupid, Yes I'm mess but I back Hatake Kakashi's theory all the way, don't ask me to explain myself tho.

[Hatake Kakashi]

You are my new friend. Yeah that's the main problem I have with the mods. It's not bad that they delete stuff or close stuff, but just their attitudes (except Raven, he's the only one with any level of maturity). If those improved this place would be back to the good old days.

Oh and about my theories..I've been reading comics and manga ever since I could read. A lot of stories are told over and over, comics/manga are open to a lot of forumulamatic writing.

Look at the Shonen Manga's. The basic plot is all the same. Young boy wants to become ____ .

I'll stand by my theories about Naruto and the 4ths lineage until it is def. proven wrong. Then I'll say I'm wrong.

The dates just match up too well in my mind. I dunno though, again if I'm wrong I'll eat cake.

Oh and about Itachi and Obit...were do you think Itachi learned about how to get the Mange Sharingan? I'm sure the 3rd didn't tell him! I'd put my money on the rogue Obito.

There is an excellent chance though that Kakashi gets his eye soon, so that could debunk my theory about him, I'm aware of that. That theory has been around as long as these boards have and is nothing new. I'm just offering an alternate one.

If you don't like it, well you don't have to read it.

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: Hatake Kakashi
You are my new friend. Yeah that's the main problem I have with the mods. It's not bad that they delete stuff or close stuff, but just their attitudes (except Raven, he's the only one with any level of maturity). If those improved this place would be back to the good old days.

Oh and about my theories..I've been reading comics and manga ever since I could read. A lot of stories are told over and over, comics/manga are open to a lot of forumulamatic writing.

Look at the Shonen Manga's. The basic plot is all the same. Young boy wants to become ____ .

I'll stand by my theories about Naruto and the 4ths lineage until it is def. proven wrong. Then I'll say I'm wrong.

The dates just match up too well in my mind. I dunno though, again if I'm wrong I'll eat cake.

Oh and about Itachi and Obit...were do you think Itachi learned about how to get the Mange Sharingan? I'm sure the 3rd didn't tell him! I'd put my money on the rogue Obito.

There is an excellent chance though that Kakashi gets his eye soon, so that could debunk my theory about him, I'm aware of that. That theory has been around as long as these boards have and is nothing new. I'm just offering an alternate one.

If you don't like it, well you don't have to read it.

Well for starters you can stop knocking the mods having personally been one here for quite a while I can say that a lot of times what you see as arrogance of any sort is infact just getting tired of the same problem done a billion times. As far as I can see most threads have been locked not deleted and done so with a valid and stated reason we don't need 3 topics on the same thing when there is only 1 page of threads to begin with.

That said I have said nothing about Naruto being the 4ths kid and considering we know that I believe Kakashi became a Jounin at 13 and he is now 26 with Naruto being 13 at this point in the manga that this story could very well show us who's Naruto's parents are which the 4th is a very probable father. My arguments only lie in your analysis of Obito still being alive.

[Hatake Kakashi]

Alright Ben, how about another angle.

Obito is too cool of a character to throw away so quick. Mangaka do this all the time. Obito already had a mini fan following, as there was mystery surrounding him, now that he has been introduced and gave that kick ass speech, he's going to rank high in the fan polls. Often times, the mangaka will keep those characters around to use later. Having him show up as an adult would be great, he's a cool character. And let's face it...Kishimoto hasn't killed a kid since Haku...

Also, in comics/manga deaths are reversed all the time. Some characters are just too good and have too many fans to keep dead.

Just because someone is believed to be dead in a comic/manga doesn't mean shit. Look how long people thought that Raidou and Gemma were dead (the first time they got owned..).

We'll see what happens.

As for the mod stuff, I'll put it behind me. There is one that sticks out like a sore thumb, but I won't get into it.

[Souryusen]

Kimimaro was too cool a character to throw away so quickly... he fuckin dead now though.

Obito is dead... and if he ain't, he's minus an eye.

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: Hatake Kakashi
Alright Ben, how about another angle.

Obito is too cool of a character to throw away so quick. Mangaka do this all the time. Obito already had a mini fan following, as there was mystery surrounding him, now that he has been introduced and gave that kick ass speech, he's going to rank high in the fan polls. Often times, the mangaka will keep those characters around to use later. Having him show up as an adult would be great, he's a cool character. And let's face it...Kishimoto hasn't killed a kid since Haku...

I'll take it directly from that angle. The only person Kakashi could get that eye from is Obito there is not even a question about that. As far as the speach goes those likeable aspects of Obito have already been transfered to and become part of Kakashi. Then you have the fact that not only is Kakashi sure Obito is dead but he also has one of his eye's and the image your talking about while I'm not looking at it right now how many eye's does the guy have?

I'm not disagreeing with the basic concepts your mentioning just that in this case there is a timeline. Yes they could leave his death open ended and bring him back however the fact he's a leaf shinobi just doesn't leave enough room for a reasoning of why he would go against his own village. I'm going simply by what we already know and I'll be checking up on the exact image your talking about in a moment.

edit: Well just reviewed the pictures only Itachi speaks with a sharingan and only the guy hanging upside down could have 1 eye and thats VERY unlikely to be obito so I have no idea where your comming from.

[Nara Tonymaru]

Obito is too cool to throw away so early? Obito is just Naruto, and we don't need another one of those, now do we? So yeah, he dies.

[Mut]

enough off topic talk. if you anything to say about the mods, don't bother posting it in any thread in any forum. thanks.

EDIT: i was reading paradise in winter website and i saw this:

Oh, by the way about Kakashis dad. The Fourth (or soon-to-be-Fourth) said Kakashis dad was a genius Ninja. And, he did say that compared to his (kakashis dad) name, the name Sannin wasnt as good.
I know that Sannins are very strong and powerful ones. But they werent genius. Kakashis dad was the natural-born Ninja. Sannins were not, maybe except for Orochimaru.
Anyway, Kakashis dad was a genius with a very good human heart. I hope Neji will be a genius with good heart

[Hatake Kakashi]

Has that site proven to be a better translation in the past? I believe Inane said that he preceded the Sannin, didn't mention anything about him being stronger.

I doubt we'll see much more of him, at least not until Kakashi dies...

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"I live for myself and I answer to nobody." -Steve McQueen

[Ryllharu]

Originally posted by: Hatake Kakashi

Obito is too cool of a character to throw away so quick. Mangaka do this all the time. Obito already had a mini fan following, as there was mystery surrounding him, now that he has been introduced and gave that kick ass speech, he's going to rank high in the fan polls. Often times, the mangaka will keep those characters around to use later. Having him show up as an adult would be great, he's a cool character. And let's face it...Kishimoto hasn't killed a kid since Haku...[/i]

Maybe Obito had some mystery about him and the theories then were that he was the origin of Kakashi's Sharingan (obviously true), but that was then. Now that he shows up and turns out to be some whiny ninja that has a photocopied Naruto personality but happens to be even more useless than Naruto was at the beginning of the whole series, I'd have to say any fanbase he might have had has been reduced considerably.

Like Nara Tonymaru said, "Obito is just Naruto, and we don't need another one of those, now do we?"

I was kinda hoping Obito would be somewhat cool, but everything he's said can relate to something Naruto said earlier. He reminds me of Kiba, only with almost kunoichi uselessness. I wasn't looking forward to this diversion of the story line, but its clear that Kakashi outshines anyone by far. Obito is just more of the same, and I have a pretty good idea that many people see him as annoying as I do.

Edit: why was my entire post in Italics?

[xtort]

It's doubtful to me that Obito is the leader of Akatsuki. We've barely been introduced to the other Akatsuki members, and it's been hinted that there's another surviving Uchiha. These two facts do not mean that Obito is alive, nor that he's the leader of Akatsuki, especially after all the references to Obito being dead, and the strong hints that Obito's eye is in Kakashi's skull. And unless Obito created NEW EYE NO JUTSU, he's not the person being zoomed in on in the Akatsuki teaser.

Although the theory is fun, it's a 1 out of 1000. Much more likely to have Sakura be the hidden head of Akatsuki.

-xtortout

[Mut]

if obito ends up being the leader of akatsuki, i'ma get rid of everything naruto related i have.

[Raven]

Maybe Kakashi's father is actually an Uchiha, and that's how Kakashi got his Sharingan (but his mother wasn't an Uchiha so that's why Kakashi only has one)! Obito might have died like the little bitch he seems to be.

And maybe his father is actually not dead, and he's secretly the leader of Akatsuki, wanting to get Naruto so he can harness the Kyubi powers to take revenge on Kohoha for disowning him! And that's why Itachi isn't the leader, because he's weaker than Hatake, who makes the Sannin title seem mediocre. That would make it Hatake's face that we saw at the end of 238, being an Uchiha and all.


Btw I'm just having a laugh, I'm not trying to poke fun at anyone's theories. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif I might have to go on a killing spree if I'm somehow right though.

[Hotsuma]

You know what, Kakashi. I'm gonna go out on a whim and say that your theory could be correct. We don't know if Obito is really dead or not. That memorial, which he visits normally, might not be HIS memorial.

Even in the end of the chase arc, where the Akatsuki suddenly appear in the cave, somebody mentions "That Orochimaru has gotttten a Sharingan..." THAT could have been Obito, since he makes such a fuss out of getting the Uchiha blood to kick in.

Everybody is jumping to the most obvious conclusion. Try to look past that, people.

I hope Obito is alive (leader of Aka or not). It would make Kishimoto an unpredictable writer again, which is good for a shounen manga.

[Souryusen]

Inari's mom could be the head of Akatsuki. That'd be unexpected.

It'd be shit too.

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: Hotsuma
You know what, Kakashi. I'm gonna go out on a whim and say that your theory could be correct. We don't know if Obito is really dead or not. That memorial, which he visits normally, might not be HIS memorial.

Even in the end of the chase arc, where the Akatsuki suddenly appear in the cave, somebody mentions "That Orochimaru has gotttten a Sharingan..." THAT could have been Obito, since he makes such a fuss out of getting the Uchiha blood to kick in.

Everybody is jumping to the most obvious conclusion. Try to look past that, people.

I hope Obito is alive (leader of Aka or not). It would make Kishimoto an unpredictable writer again, which is good for a shounen manga.

The only part of that I see as having any chance of happening is depending on timing Orochimaru could be the one who kills Obito to try and get the sharingan. Also remember that when someone of a advanced bloodline is killed there body is to be completely destroyed in order to keep it away from other clans. So if Kakashi got Obito's eye the rest of the body would still have had to be destroyed. There is a slight chance obito's other eye is lost and that is why Kakashi only has one, but considering he is unable to control the sharingan its more likely Kakashi only has one so his chakra isn't completely drained unless he has on a blindfold at all times.

[kAi]

Hotsume:
Even in the end of the chase arc, where the Akatsuki suddenly appear in the cave, somebody mentions "That Orochimaru has gotttten a Sharingan..." THAT could have been Obito, since he makes such a fuss out of getting the Uchiha blood to kick in.
No the one that said that, is the guy that was at the sasuke v naruto fight.

[Hakeem_21]

I wouldnt mind if Obito was alive cause that would be a suprise and thats a good thing since this manga is soo predictable right now.

[drcitan]

If Obito were alive, which I highly doubt then him and Kakashi would def fight each other. These flashbacks are def gonna lead up to something Kakashi has to face in the present. Well not def but its possible.