Chapter 240

[DeluxSkillz]

http://xscanz.free.fr/naruto240.zip

raw have fun

[Stoopider]

Wow. Fantastic. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

The fourth is awesome. I bet he didn't kill the guy because he wanted him to go back and report to his supiriors and lure the rest of the army out, so that Kakashi's team would infiltrate and blow up the bridge.

[RasenDori]

man... obito choked... whats up with that? this cant be his first mission

[Jman]

thanks

[LobsterMagnet]

Yes looks like a kick ass chapter just wish I could read it grrrr. Did the fourth kill that guy? Also towards the end is Obito telling the Fourht about the super sharingan and thinking about trying to kill Kakashi? Someone translate or better yet find winged dancer.

[samsonlonghair]

I'm liking this a lot. Yondaime is so damn good that he makes Kakashi look like nothing.

[Stoopider]

THe fourth in his prime! WOOT!!

[Gods_Son]

Good chapter. Thanks for the link.

[Saruto]

Originally posted by: LobsterMagnet
Yes looks like a kick ass chapter just wish I could read it grrrr. Did the fourth kill that guy? Also towards the end is Obito telling the Fourht about the super sharingan and thinking about trying to kill Kakashi? Someone translate or better yet find winged dancer.


Obito is telling the fourth that he know that the teamwork is important but whit kakashi always telling him that he is a dropout it ain't easy!...

And the fourth tell about Kakashi's dad to Obito [...] and that's why he is so stubborn about laws and rules! ...

I read that on a translation gived by a guy on narutofan.com.

[PSJ]

kickass chapter yondaime owned kakashi when he was trying to show off good stuff. IN YOUR FACE KAKASHI!!!! hahahahaha. i wanna know what they say tho and yet another team with a healing girl, a dropout and a genius. does all teams consist of these types? i mean look at the sannin and team 7 both are the same way.

[Mut]

WHERE IS WINGED DANCER???

damn, seriously the 4th is sooo fucking crazy. kakashi still badass cuz all of the scenes where he was running with the chidori was so fucking cool. i wonder why yondaime took kakashi away at the last moment, i'm not too sure why...

[Saruto]

Because he would have been cut deeply and could have died of it?....duh

[Lefty]

I get the feeling that kakashi was going after the wrong one.

[JusDaMan]

Here is the translation, Thanks Pan and Myth for it: (taken off animesuki)

page 01
Gaiden Chapter Two: Teamwork!!

cap: They had a youth-life just like everybody else did... and yet, they had a youth-life nobody else had...


page 02
kaka: !!
...

cap: The Chakra that gives off sparks! The will of young Kakashi as a team leader for the first time is unstoppable!

kaka: No matter how many enemies there are, this Jutsu can wipe them all out at once.
Just like what the people all call you, Sensei. And...

Sensei, I'm the leader for today.
You said that just now, didn't you?


page 03
kaka: It's in the rules that you have to absolutely obey your team leader.
Right, Sensei?

yon: ...

rin + obi: !!


page 04
enemy: *think* I didn't think he'd come attacking directly...

Chi...!


page 05
kaka: *think* I can pinpoint where they all are by the trajectory of the kunais just now!
HERE I GO!!

enemy: !
!!
*think* He's fast!


page 06
enemy: Guh!!

kaka: !
*think* Dammit! It's a shadow clone!
Then I'll just go for the next one...

obito: ?!
!!


page 07
yondy: Don't let your guard down!

obito: Ye... Yes...

kaka: *think* This is the eighteenth...

enemy: Don't push it too much, you brat!

yon: !

page 09
sfx: *flit* *flit*

rin: Kakashi!

enemy: *think* I barely managed to find an opening for a counter against that brat just now, but...
That blond bastard's just too...

?!


10.jpg
obi + rin: !!

bag sfx: *rustle*

rin: *think* Sensei's Shunshin no Jutsu (instant body shift no jutsu)!
He's so fast!


page 11
enemy: Don't... don't tell me you're...
The Golden Flash of Konoha?!

Back in the Hidden Rock...
...the higher ups teach us that... if we ever meet him, then we'd better run first and think later...

I think... I finally understand what they meant...


page 12
kaka: Ku...

yondy: Kakashi's injury doesn't seem light.
For now, we will retreat from here and set up camp somewhere safe.

kaka: I'm good to go!

obito: Good to go, my foot!
This all happened because you were so impulsive and didn't listen to Sensei's instructions!

kaka: I don't want to hear that coming from you...
YOU... the 'Uchiha Elite', who was crying away with trembling knees just now!

obito: I... I only teared a little because I got something in my eye!

kaka: You do know the 25th clause of the Ninja Code of Conduct, don't you?
The rule that a Ninja should never let his tears be seen under any circumstances!

rin: Wait, both of you, stop it already...


page 13
yondy: Both of you, enough.

kaka + obi: !!

yondy: Kakashi. It's true that rules and regulations are important, but,
those alone are not everything.

Let me tell you...
...there will come a time when you have to react according to the situation, instead of by rules.

kaka: ...

obito: See! I told you!

yondy: Obito, you too!

Nothing can possibly get into your eye when you're having goggles on.
If you must preach about self-control, but then don't practice it...


page 14
yondy: One more thing, Kakashi.
It's about that Jutsu you used just now.

I would advise against using that Jutsu anymore.

It looks like some sort of thrust-based attack with all attacking power focused on one point...
While it's true that it increases destructive power and speed,

your movement speed will become too fast to handle, making it impossible for you to perceive any counterattacks.
This Jutsu is still incomplete.

kaka: ...

yondy: I'll say this one more time before we separate.

Teamwork is more important than anything else for the Shinobi!


page 15
all 3: ...

yondy: All right...
Let's move out.


page 16
obito: Sensei...

yondy: !

Nn? What's wrong?

...

obito: I know that teamwork is important...
But Kakashi is always saying I'm useless... treating me like an idiot so I just couldn't...

Well... I was born in the Uchiha clan, known to be 'elite'...
...but I'm the odd one of the lot...

I acknowledge that Kakashi is really great, but...

yondy: ...
Nn...


page 17
yondy: Kakashi is the son of the widely feared genius Ninja, The White Fang of Konoha - Hatake Sakumo-san.
Before that oyaji-san, even the name of "The Legendary Sannin" didn't seem that great after all...

He spent much of his childhood by the side of that genius Ninja.
Looking at the both of you... you can hardly blame him for sometimes feeling that you both don't measure up.

obito: The White Fang... now that you mention it, I think I've heard his name before.
They say that he was killed in the line of duty while trying to protect the village...

But... Kakashi never mentioned anything about that before...

yondy: ...

...
He was a person everybody in the village - and of course, Kakashi as well, respected very much.

obito: ...

yondy: ...at least... until /that event/ happened...

obito: ...
That event?


page 18
yon: I don't think I should be discussing something like this so casually with you, but...
Since you're in the same team, I want you to know about this in preparation of what to expect.

obito: Wha... What happened?

yondy: Kakashi's father - Sakumo-san... he was slandered,
and subsequently ended his life by his own accord.

obito: What?!

yondy: Five years ago, he led a team and infiltrated into enemy territory during a top secret mission.
Once there, he was forced to choose between "two choices".

Between the completion of the mission, or the life of his companions...


page 19
yondy: Of course, according to the rules of the village, forsaking a mission was strictly forbidden.
But in order to preserve the lives of his companions, he aborted the mission halfway.

The losses were enormous for the sudden mission termination. The Fire Country and his friends in the village all put the blame on him.
In the end, even the companions whose lives he had saved turned around and backstabbed him.

Because of that mission, both his heart and body fell into bad condition, so Sakumo-san eventually decided to end his own life...

Ever since that event, Kakashi never spoke about his father anymore,
and started to stubbornly harp about keeping rules and regulations...

obito: ...

yondy: Obito... try to understand, even just a little.

Kakashi has no bad intentions to his words at all...

cap: The past that molds the present Kakashi... what does Obito think after knowing about all this? The battling they have placed themselves in gets more and more intense!

upnext: Team Kakashi's mission becomes more like the real thing! Up next - "Within the intense battlefield!"

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Saruto
Because he would have been cut deeply and could have died of it?....duh
no, you dumbass. if kakashi went straight at the other guy and the 4th didn't pull him away, why did he have to do it for the kakashi's second try? it looks more like kakashi got hurt cuz yondaime pulled him away.

i looked it over again, and saw that the 4th reason for pulling kakashi away. it's cuz kakashi eyes wouldn't be able to react to the opponent's counter move since he is moving even too fast for his eyes. i just think they didn't draw it well.

[Hatake Kakashi]

Damn!

Kakashi's lineage revealed!

His dad sounds BAD ASS. No wonder Kakashi believes so strongly in team work and not letting his comrades die now!

I believe that Sakumo is a take on Sakumotsu, which means crops. Hatake means field which is very appropriate, since Kakashi mans scarecrow..

Cool naming scheme, Kishimoto-san.

[tensai]

its cool to finally learn more about the mysterious kakashi

this chapter was cool, a lot of scolding done by people
without the translation, i was wondering who the silhouette guy with kakashis hair was
at first i thought it was kakashi with a son or little brother, but it turned out to be his father

golden flash of konoha, cool nickname for yondaime

[JusDaMan]

Kakashi got pwned by the non sharinganed chidori... its incomplete! I guess that's y sharingan is needed in order to it to fully work. guessing that naruto cant learn rasendori cause it will be 75% complete. lol

[Winged Dancer]

Kakashi sucks. I'm really not liking his young form, he's so much cooler in the present.
Yondaime is fucking awesome though! If we only had his name.
And finally, something on Kakashi's family.

[Stoopider]

"It's all right Lee, Youth and Mistakes Go together" - Gai

I wonder where's Gai during this time. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[tensai]

lol, it would be funny to see gai, the young version, wonders how he would look like

obito is kinda like naruto
like, during the scene with the mizu chuunins where sasuke did all the work but naruto froze up and couldnt do anything
cant believe obito got teary eyed though, and he tried to make an excuse that something got in his eye, lol

[lee0539]

yea i agree that naruto and obito are alike. both outcasts and weak in the beginning. which would explain that obito will get better really fast like naruto. when the time comes instead of busting out a demon he'll pull out his sharingan

[Stoopider]

I don't necessarily think Obito would end up like Naruto. Obito's dead remember?

Plus, the girl being a healer, that was definitely expected since Tsunade recommended it to the council.

But I think it would be different this time around for girls in teams like Ino, Ten Ten and whatshernamesmallshirtwhiteeyegirl.

[PSJ]

he will probably bust out his sharingan right before dying and kakashi will blame himself thats why he always is late, obito didnt hold rules close to his heart appearntly..... maybe thats kakashi's way of dealing with his death seeing as he dealt with his fathers death by being very strict with rules. i must say kakashi got a very weird way of dealing with important ppls deaths..... and i dont like the current kakashi he is to arrogant he resembles early neji and sasuke alot. yondaime is awesome tho, cool nickname, golden flash of konoha i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif and to get to know stuff about kakashi's family, if his fathers was strong enough to make the sannin seem like not much he must have been a hell of a powerful ninja, i wonder what kind of mission made a man like him trun around.

[Stoopider]

Really? I personally like the now Kakashi compared to the past. He seems more bitchy and whiney.

[PSJ]

thats what i meant the old kakashi seen in this chapter is too much like sasuke and early neji, which sucks cause they suck. the now kakashi is way cooler he is more laid back and more like the 4th is in these chaps.

[Mut]

i hate it when people complaing about cocky characters.

kakashi's overall badassness overcomes any of his potential flaws.

[Souryusen]

Inane's version is out.

http://www.narutofan.com/downloads/download.php?mirror=1&file=nmanga240

[Raven]

I can't believe Kakashi's father made the Sannin look average - woah, how skilled/strong must he have been? I'm surprised he wasn't a Hokage candidate, especially since he was apparently so well respected. Damn, I'd love to see him in action, but there's virtually no chance that'll happen.

I think we can safely assume Yondaime killed the Stone-nin. They didn't show it because it would have been too cheesy to see him cut someone's throat. Hey I might be wrong, but do ninja tend to leave their enemies alive during a war?

Hooray for Goku's Instant Transmission Technique! i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

If Kakashi's supposed to be a Chuunin right now about to be promoted to Jounin, how come he's not wearing a vest? I wouldn't have thought it would be an optional thing.

Anyway, badass chapter.

[Deblas]

I just finished reading the chapter. I can't believe Obito. hes such a wimp. I don't think they should compare naruto to obito cause obito is to much of a wimp

[samsonlonghair]

You can tell that Kishimoto really knows what he's doing. Everytime a new piece of information is revealed we are left asking more questions and making more guesses. He's truly a great author in that respect.

[SasukesGirL]

Originally posted by: CmDr_RavEn
I can't believe Kakashi's father made the Sannin look average - woah, how skilled/strong must he have been? I'm surprised he wasn't a Hokage candidate, especially since he was apparently so well respected. Damn, I'd love to see him in action, but there's virtually no chance that'll happen.

I think we can safely assume Yondaime killed the Stone-nin. They didn't show it because it would have been too cheesy to see him cut someone's throat. Hey I might be wrong, but do ninja tend to leave their enemies alive during a war?

Hooray for Goku's Instant Transmission Technique!

If Kakashi's supposed to be a Chuunin right now about to be promoted to Jounin, how come he's not wearing a vest? I wouldn't have thought it would be an optional thing.

Anyway, badass chapter.

He didnt say white fang was better than the sannins, but comparable to them. And the 4th didnt use some kind of teleporting technique, he just made a double of himself.

What i notice is that kakashi use to be very punctual in time at meetings and all. But now when he meets up with naruto and the team, he's always late. hehe

[Deblas]

well, before he was with naruto he didnt go every morning to a memorial

[Mut]

Originally posted by: SasukesGirL
And the 4th didnt use some kind of teleporting technique, he just made a double of himself.
wtf, no.

[samsonlonghair]

I really don't think that was a copy. I think Yondaime was just moving ridiculously fast. That's why they call him Konoha's yellow flash.

Ha ha. That reminds me of the movie spaceballs. Dark Helmet says, "Going at light speed is too slow. We need to go to ridiculous speed!

http://www.sfad.org/julia/blog/graphics/spaceballs.jpg

Edit: Sorry that last part was so off-topic.

[NaruGuy11]

I'm guessing the reason were seeing this Flashback is to both show us what made kakashi ....kakashi. Also I think he is doing some forshadowing for how naruto will be and skills he will have when he returns. I don't think its a copy either for one rin anounces one he's not by any of his students two rin calls out what his move was three i don't think he got the nickname yellow flash and not have some incredible speed. Also is there any confrimation on how long this arc is gonna last i really can't see him goin off for more than a volume?

[Lefty]

I'd give it like ten chapters tops, six at the least. I hope they come back to the normal story line a year and half or two years later after Naruto left the village wit ha few flash backs to fill the gaps. I just want the next arc to start.

[LobsterMagnet]

I was just hit with a huge lightbulb moment. I can't beleive no one mentioned it before. I think Rin is still alive. I think she's that girl whose the current Anbu squad leader. The one that we see during the third hokage's funeral when Kakashi goes to visit Obito's grave. Makes sense since who else would know Obito. I know some of you will probably yell at me and say that her hair is a different color when she is younger but it could easily change as she got older or maybe she dyes it?

Let me know what you think of this new idea.

[Mut]

i love it when people think they are brilliant cuz they propose an idea that hasn't been mentioned yet.

but i don't think that's rin. it'd go against what kakashi said about his loved ones already being all dead.

[kAi]

this was mentioned in the last chapter discussion Lobster.
and i answered with, the anbu chick doesnt have the marks on her cheek.
and when you got marks it usually shows some type of distinctiveness about you and/or your clan.

[hopeknight]

Originally posted by: samsonlonghair
Ha ha. That reminds me of the movie spaceballs. Dark Helmet says, "Going at light speed is too slow. We need to go to ridiculous speed!
Edit: Sorry that last part was so off-topic.

Yes that was off topic, but just so you know, the quote was "We need to go to ludicrous speed!


As for the manga. At the beginning of the chapter, Kakashi says,
"Even if there are alot of enemies, this jutsu can do it in an instant. It's the same as your nickname..."

So I'm guessing that the 4th also had the nickname Chidori, or was it just the Inane translation?

[originalkrn]

I remember that being mentioned many times on different ocasions. I think she isn't her, but there leaves no explanation for who that ANBU girl is unless Kishimoto introduces another char with a KAKASHI GAIDEN 2 : DAYS IN ANBU.


well,all i have to say is: Yodaime Rocks

[samsonlonghair]

You might be right about ludicrous speed hopeknight.

Anyway I thought that the name Chidori refers to the sound that is produced. It sounds a little like birds chirping. That doesn't really make sense to be the fourth's nickname. I have to disagree with you on that point.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: hopeknight
As for the manga. At the beginning of the chapter, Kakashi says,
"Even if there are alot of enemies, this jutsu can do it in an instant. It's the same as your nickname..."

So I'm guessing that the 4th also had the nickname Chidori, or was it just the Inane translation?
i think inane is confused. i'm guessing the 'yellow flash of konoha' is basically a reference to the 'lightning speed' the 4th has. so... lightning... chidori... raikiri... you get the point.

[Eurasian]

another great chapter. my love for the 4th has just gone up 10 folds. He's freakin awesome!! yeah i don't know about obito.

[Raven]

Originally posted by: SasukesGirL
He didnt say white fang was better than the sannins, but comparable to them. And the 4th didnt use some kind of teleporting technique, he just made a double of himself.

What i notice is that kakashi use to be very punctual in time at meetings and all. But now when he meets up with naruto and the team, he's always late. hehe
I read a different translation, where it said that he made the title 'Legendary Ninja' seem not so special. So unless you can translate the raw literally for me, we just have to decide which translation to trust. The bottom line is he is on par, if not better than them.

And yeah, he is so fast that it seems like he transports instantaneously hence the nickname, I have no idea where you got the double idea from.

[JusDaMan]

im thinking... if yondaime lerans chidori and uses the instant flash no justu (assuming he didn't invent rasegan yet) it would be a complete jutsu even without chidori wouldn't it?

and with that said. Jiraiya May know the instant flash no jutsu too... teaches it to naruto. learns chidori also. and naruto becomes a genius. makes a hybrid no jutsu of kage bunshin rasendori instant flash. wooping basically anything/one's ass in a matter of seconds.

Yondaime uzumaki... sounds funny

[kAi]

yondaime means 4th hokage. its not his name.

and this was a mad chapter,
and finally the people who believed that you needed the sharingan to do chidori now realise that it can and it was just the the counter is what stuffs you up.

[Assertn]

people used to think otherwise?

[Raven]

But having the Sharingan allows you to see the counter coming and avoid it, hence it's required, hence the fact that Yondaime needed to save Kakashi.

[kAi]

sad but true assertn, if i remember where it was posted i will put it up.

yeah thats the only reason, it isnt required to do the actual technique,
the sharingan just makes it better.

[mage]

ok, ive seen the word "rasendori" twice in this thread. its rasenGAN. There is no such thing as "rasendori", though i believe it's a forum members name.

[Raven]

Obviously you don't need Sharingan to activate the move, but you need it in order to use it 100% effectively, otherwise it can be countered as shown in 240. I don't think anybody ever believed you needed Sharingan to actually initiate it.

[originalkrn]

Originally posted by: mage
ok, ive seen the word "rasendori" twice in this thread. its rasenGAN. There is no such thing as "rasendori", though i believe it's a forum members name.

this is the funniest thing ive heard. hahaha

[Himura_san]

Originally posted by: samsonlonghair
You might be right about ludicrous speed hopeknight.


Yes, he first says ridiculous speed then ludicrous speed! every spaceball fan knows that what's wrong with you!

Back OT, Kishimoto is painting Kakashi to be a real dick which will mean that he will have a life changing experience, and that will of course have to do with Obito and Rin. My guess is that his teammates will die in combat Kakashi will get the Sharingan from Obito and the 4th (since his team gets nearly destroyed and since he pwns) will become the next hokage. End of story. Oh yeah, the 4th invented 1000 years of pain! ;p

[Arog]

i think that maybe the fourth will develop the rasengan based on the chidori as the problem with the chidori is the flaw with the counter, the rasengan might not have that flaw and maybe kakashi might have the same experience as his father, where he must choose between saving his team or the mission. he will choose the mission and his friends will die and from there he understands how friends are more important (thats the first thing he said to his own team (team 7) )

[Assertn]

i would rather believe that kakashi developed the chidori in response to the 4th's rasengan

its not like the 4th was all like, gee....chakra in the hand, good idea kakashi.....::goes off to spend 3 years training rasengan::

[Arog]

hmm i guess, i never really thought about the 3 years training/developing it thing.

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
i would rather believe that kakashi developed the chidori in response to the 4th's rasengan

its not like the 4th was all like, gee....chakra in the hand, good idea kakashi.....::goes off to spend 3 years training rasengan::

Or he could just have developed chidori just becaause he taught of it .

I dont think Kakashi is stupid enough to think "oh no in ordet to get to sensie's level and be better than him, i have think about a way so i can respond to rasengan".....

[lee0539]

yea i'm pretty sure rasengan was before chidori. but maybe he didn't finish it by this time. maybe he'll have his complete 100% rasengan during the mission.

[RasenDori]

Originally posted by: mage
ok, ive seen the word "rasendori" twice in this thread. its rasenGAN. There is no such thing as "rasendori", though i believe it's a forum members name.

lmao! seems like im the source of confusion.

on topic: i think its logical to assume that yondaime created the rasengan before kakashi created the chidori. it was probally the rasengan that inspired kakashi to create his only original jutsu.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21


Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
i would rather believe that kakashi developed the chidori in response to the 4th's rasengan

its not like the 4th was all like, gee....chakra in the hand, good idea kakashi.....::goes off to spend 3 years training rasengan::

Or he could just have developed chidori just becaause he taught of it .

I dont think Kakashi is stupid enough to think "oh no in ordet to get to sensie's level and be better than him, i have think about a way so i can respond to rasengan".....

you might want to reread my post.....the point i was trying to make was that the 4th didnt get the idea from kakashi

[xtort]

Originally posted by: Himura_san


Originally posted by: samsonlonghair
You might be right about ludicrous speed hopeknight.


Yes, he first says ridiculous speed then ludicrous speed! every spaceball fan knows that what's wrong with you!


Incorrect! The captain tells everyone that to prepare for ridiculous speed. Dark Helmet says "nah, that's too slow. Skip straight to.... ludicrous speed!"

Mediocre chapter, but info on the 4th and seeing Kakashi, Obito, and Rin is worth waiting for the meat of the story to come along.

The shushin no jutsu is just super fast movement. You can tell because of pages 9 and 10. Watch the bag. Before the bag hits the ground, the 4th has traversed the distance between the bag and the guy. You can see that this was Kishimoto's intent by the noise made from the bag hitting the ground on the bottom right frame of page 10. He's Naruto's Flash Gordon. Uzumaki Gordon?

-xtortout

[Arog]

i think the 4th will complete the rasengan in this mission. mainly because the rasengan does not involve the thrusting action like the chidori (not as much anyways) and this information will be useful to the 4th as it will prove to be more powerful/less counterable than the chidori

[kAi]

i think yondaime already knows the rasengan...and it is already perfected.

i think yondaime would already know about the thrusting or non thrusting, that would be the easiest part of the technique i would think.

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure


Originally posted by: Hakeem_21


Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
i would rather believe that kakashi developed the chidori in response to the 4th's rasengan

its not like the 4th was all like, gee....chakra in the hand, good idea kakashi.....::goes off to spend 3 years training rasengan::

Or he could just have developed chidori just becaause he taught of it .

I dont think Kakashi is stupid enough to think "oh no in ordet to get to sensie's level and be better than him, i have think about a way so i can respond to rasengan".....

you might want to reread my post.....the point i was trying to make was that the 4th didnt get the idea from kakashi



And my point was that Kakashi maybe didnt develop chidori in response to the rasengan.



On topic: Kakashi hasnt been lucky in live even his father died a death that must have hurt Kakashi a lot more than a normal death.

[Himura_san]

both of you are wrong!!
The chidori was developed b/c of a failed attempt at mastering 1000 years of pain, which he later mastered.
Which brings up another question who created 1000 years of pain? I say it's the 4th!i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[tensai]

1000 thousand years of pain
i think kakashi got the idea from those novels hes always reading, so jiraiya must have gave him the idea j/k

i think yondaime already knows rasengan, hes not hokage yet right?
jiraiya has to learn it from him before yondaime dies later on

[kAi]

jiraiya could even know it now [rasengan], but we don't know anything yet.

Yondaime is a jounin atm.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21


Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
you might want to reread my post.....the point i was trying to make was that the 4th didnt get the idea from kakashi

And my point was that Kakashi maybe didnt develop chidori in response to the rasengan.

hey, lets play the game where you get really technical and overanalyze everything
i didnt mean for it to sound like "kakashi developed the chidori because of the 4th's rasengan"....geez i/expressions/rolleye.gif

[Mut]

you guys are all retarded.

rasengan was developed and perfected before kakashi was developing the chidori. it's just common sense to know that we're seeing the 4th in his prime. i'm pretty sure the 4th perfected rasengan while he was in training with jiraiya. it'd be stupid for the 4th to leave jiraiya and then make up the jutsu and be like 'hey, check this out' and teach jiraiya. i'm almost positive jiraiya learned it while he was with yondaime. my point is, if kakashi was able to bust out chidori at a young age, the 4th should've been able to have perfected rasengan around that age.

[Yondaime]

hmmm i am not sure if someone else has figured this out or not....but i think i have an idea on how the shunshin no jutsu works...well someone said that yondaime made a clone...well thats obviously wrong...and yea Yondaime did travel at a high speed....but i guess how did he know where that Stone Ninja was hiding.....hmmm...well if you look closely on page 9....yondaime has one of his hands on the stone ninja's foot....and on page 10 they show that a foot with kanji written on it....like a tag....so i guess thats how the jutsu works....you either have a close combat and put a tag on your enemy and than fool your enemy into believing that you have retreated and than in a flash you can be right behind the enemy....just like how yondaime did.....

i am looking forward to Naruto learning this jutsu...it should be fun....coz this can be one counter to Sasuke's super fast sharingan which can read every movement...but what if you can in a split second be behind Sasuke while he is coming at you at high speed ???....hmm could be fun

[Mut]

i don't understand why everyone think naruto is gonna learn all the jutsus the 4th has. i don't think even jiraiya can do this. i think we would've seen it by now. and besides, if anyone else can do this jutsu other than the 4th, that would make his nickname pretty lame. so, i don't think that's gonna happen.

and yeah, i noticed the kanji on the guy's foot, but i wasn't too sure if it was just sfx or not. =\ can anyone read and translate what that says?

[tensai]

hmm, interesting observation there
it might be possible how the jutsu works,
but im not too sure because it would be a hassle to always get close to your enemy, tag them, retreat, then come back - if yondaime had a chance to reach his enemy in close combat anyway, then he should just kill them right there

for naruto to learn the jutsu, jiraiya must know it already, jiraiya might not know this jutsu, but who knows

[Assertn]

i doubt it.....it looked to me like the stone guy that almost killed kakashi was just a kage bunshin, since it dissappeared after the fourth intervened. It would have to be more like the 4th tracked on to the original stone guy based on the dna of the bunshin, or something weird like that

[PSJ]

the idea of placing something on your enemy in close combat and retreat just to get behind his back is kinda lame even if he does it fast. its useless, with his strength he could kill the enemy at the first close combat encounter. and im pretty sure 4th mastered the rasengan when he was jiraiya's student.

[originalkrn]

Well, the touching of the guy has to be pretty important for the jutsu because on pg 8 where yodaime saves kakashi, Kishimoto made it pretty clear that he was touching the guys foot. It also shows frame by frame of going from Yodaime to the foot to Yodaime and then finally to the guy shocked by Yodaime on page 9. Also, that #18 guy wasnt a bunshin i think. I think it was the real deal because on the Inane translation it says "zoom" on the top right picture which would mean someone was moving pretty quickly (away from the battle possibly) . It looks as though Yodaime just took Kakashi out of it real fast and took him to Rin and Obito.

EDIT: says "zoom" on page 9.

[Knives122]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
i doubt it.....it looked to me like the stone guy that almost killed kakashi was just a kage bunshin, since it dissappeared after the fourth intervened. It would have to be more like the 4th tracked on to the original stone guy based on the dna of the bunshin, or something weird like that

I wouldn't necessarily say it was his dna but more like his chakra(idk how that would work through a kage bunshing but just work with me here) maybe he tracked the chakra by touching his foot(I have no idea how to explain the whole twitching foot thing at the bottom of pg. 9), maybe the thing on pg. 9 was maybe some type of i dont know "my foot is your foot tracker thing" but I know Im wrong about that, but I about 80% sure on the chakra tracking thing

[jing]

How about the 4th knows he is there because he is the damn hokage. It makes sense......
he could have figured his spot out from the directions of the kunais as well.

[Tofu #2]

he ain't no hokage yet. and why would it show the stone guy's foot in 2 panels if it didn't matter?

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: xtort


Originally posted by: Himura_san


Originally posted by: samsonlonghair
You might be right about ludicrous speed hopeknight.


Yes, he first says ridiculous speed then ludicrous speed! every spaceball fan knows that what's wrong with you!


Incorrect! The captain tells everyone that to prepare for ridiculous speed. Dark Helmet says "nah, that's too slow. Skip straight to.... ludicrous speed!"

Mediocre chapter, but info on the 4th and seeing Kakashi, Obito, and Rin is worth waiting for the meat of the story to come along.

The shushin no jutsu is just super fast movement. You can tell because of pages 9 and 10. Watch the bag. Before the bag hits the ground, the 4th has traversed the distance between the bag and the guy. You can see that this was Kishimoto's intent by the noise made from the bag hitting the ground on the bottom right frame of page 10. He's Naruto's Flash Gordon. Uzumaki Gordon?

-xtortout

Also if you have read or watched Hajime No Ippo you know what flicker meansi/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[dragon608608]

call me crazy if you want, but do you ever compare naruto's and the forth's eye. they are identical. i wonder are there any relationship between them, and what that? hope the author will tell us soon.

[Lefty]

For the love of god and all that is holy don't start a the 4th is Naruto's father disscusion. There have been like thousands of them. When Kishimoto tells us that big pice of info we'll disscuse it, but not now.

[Destroyor]

The 3rd save kakashi+tag, then go back and say goodbye to Mr.stonenin. There, why is it so confusing for you? -_-?

[Assertn]

im confused about the part where you said the 3rd saved kakashi

[Jman]

240's a good ass chapter.

[jing]

Originally posted by: Destroyor
The 3rd save kakashi+tag, then go back and say goodbye to Mr.stonenin. There, why is it so confusing for you? -_-?

It is confusing cuz the 3rd wasn't in the manga.

[SilentSnake]

Originally posted by: jing


Originally posted by: Destroyor
The 3rd save kakashi+tag, then go back and say goodbye to Mr.stonenin. There, why is it so confusing for you? -_-?

It is confusing cuz the 3rd wasn't in the manga.


maybe someone should just post "get the noob" picture i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif (i'm not in possesion of any, too troublesome i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif ) just j/king anyway, so no offence, but still... i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif )

back on topic :

great chapter, I think kakashi's gaiden is good enough to take our minds from thinking about actual events. Nonetheless most of us are almost sure what will happen, I think there will be no really big surprise here (if any), but still it's fun to finally and officialy learn about kakashi's sharingan and obito.

241 will be my present for hopefully passed drive license exam i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

wish me luck i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

In answer for below:

sorry, if this was just a mistake, then - my bad i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

but i'm just tired of ppl confusing 3th and 4th, so I think u understand the point and the whole thing is not that confusing anymore... eh ?? i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[Destroyor]

Yes now that was confusing.

GET THE NOOB!

Anyway it's the 4th not 3rd, me the noob will go hide in some dark corner now ....

Stupid finals -_-||||

[Assertn]

lol, everyone just wanted to be like me and point that out

and by everyone, i meant jing

[samsonlonghair]

I took a second look at page nine and ten. Whatever that thing is on Rock ninja's foot, it doesn't look like a sound effect. Maybe it's some kind of homing beacon. For instance, if Yondaime travels too fast when doing his body flicker jutsu, it probably blurs his vision. Placing a homing beacon on a target would be very helpful.

Also, let me briefly address a problem I seem to have inadvertently started:


Originally posted by: Hakeem_21


Originally posted by: xtort


Originally posted by: Himura_san


Originally posted by: samsonlonghair
You might be right about ludicrous speed hopeknight.

Yes, he first says ridiculous speed then ludicrous speed! every spaceball fan knows that what's wrong with you!

Incorrect! The captain tells everyone that to prepare for ridiculous speed. Dark Helmet says "nah, that's too slow. Skip straight to.... ludicrous speed!"
-xtortout
Also if you have read or watched Hajime No Ippo you know what flicker means

Jesus, just let it drop. I said I may be wrong about the line. I didn't mean to drive things so far off topic.