Chapter 237 Discussion

[DeluxSkillz]

EDIT 2: http://xscanz.free.fr/naruto237.zip

direct download link should be better quality
you can check it here yay

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SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i guess the rumors were right jiraiya shows up and talks to naruto about akatsuki and orichimaru, i love how jiraiya appeared on the frog ncie page

SPOILERS END!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RyougaZell]

keep laughing at me then (this goes to those people at 236 discussion that made fun of my info, not the author of this thread)

[basey44]

yay, now all i need is to read japanese
very nice chapter by the way, looked like they were talking about important stuff

[Masamune]

Can't wait for this chapter to be translated.

[The Troublesome One]

Spoilers from the chapter!


Right, basically this is taken from gamefaqs, and I believe this is a translation of a summary about the chapter, which was posted yesterday:

Jiraiya appears!
To train Naruto in 3 years to be the best.
Orochimaru will use Sasuke's body in 3 years (Switching is only allowed once every 3 years).
The "Akatsuki" members will see Naruto in 3 years as well.
Leaving the village, Orochimaru, Jiraiya and Sasuke, it's like what happened to Naruto. Since Jiraiya couldn't beat Orochimaru, he only remember his shame and didn't want Naruto to follow his ways.
In the end, Sasuke has decided to go to Orochimaru.
Next time, it's time for Naruto and Jiraiya to go on a journey! "The seperation for one's journey"

[VoiD]

so we are looking at a 3year timejump ? i certainly hope so.. or perhaps 3 years of super accelerated time where we just get to see highlights of sasukes/narutos/sakuras training. Either way should be fun

[DeluxSkillz]

trans: (bad quality, some of this may be off a little)

Page 1: Title: Idiot...!
Sidebar: Legendary ninja, author, perverted hermit, naruto's teacher...I'm really busy!

Page 2: (Kakashi at the monument
I'm a jounin and was part of the ANBU...but the old time...I do nothing but regret them...Even though I have this eye, I couldn't see what was happening.

Page 3: K: If you were alive now, I wonder what you'd say...eh, Obito?
Naruto thinking (in hospital): Sakura-chan...thanks...but I'm sorry...there's no time to wait.
(a knock)
W-what is it?

Page 4: E-ero sennin!
Jiraiya: yo!

Page 5:
J: I came to tell you something important. From here on, I'm going to make you my official pupil. I'm going to train you one-on-one for three years. I've discovered something about Orochimaru's immortality jutsu...(this is unclear) and I've got some info about Akatsuki.
N: Akatsuki... "Info?"

Page 6: J: They won't be aiming for you again for another 3 or 4 years.
N: Whatever. What you said earlier, we don't have any time to waste!
J: Whatta ya mean?

Page 7: N: We have to pursue sasuke right away! Orochimaru might kill him!
(rehash of kimimaro talking about the soul transfer jutsu)
J: Heh. You say that, but I think you know Orochimaru's true purpose
N: ! Then...you also...

PAge 8: J: Like I said, I've researched Orochimaru's immortality jutsu. I can't be sure, but I believe it'll be 3 years before he can take sasuke's body.
N: How can you say thaT?
J: Don't underestimate my data-gathering ability! (unclear) If he uses his jutsu, he can't do it again for 3 years! Until then, Sasuke will probably be raised by him...we have time.
N: You're not lying, you're really not lying?

Page 9: J: But...Forget all about Sasuke.
N: !

Page 10: J: He's gone to Orochimaru. No mater what you try, you can't change him now. The many shinobi who've seen him understand. Sasuke and Orochimaru are of the same type...Don't think about bringing him back. Continuing to do so would be idiotic!

Page 11: N: This has nothing to do with you, Ero-senin! He's my friend!!
J: Do friends hurt their friends?? Look at yourself!!
N: This..is...

Page 12: (Flashback): J: Why...we're called the "3 nins"...haven't we shared the same will since we were kids?
O: hehehe...you don't give up, do you jiraiya...whatever you're thinking of doing, it won't work. (rest is unclear)
J: I can no longer change my way of thinking, orochimaru...
O: Pathetic.

Page 13: You're a fool!
J: I kept trying, but eventually i knew he wouldn't come back....after hurting for a long time, I finally gave up on regretting.
I don't want you to walk the same path as me...The subject of pursuing sasuke is closed. You know that people who aren't under orders can't leave the village. It's forbidden.

Page 14: J: You're not just some ordinary kid. You're carrying the kyuubi...You can't run around doing whatever you like, you're going to have to listen to me. Orochimaru is your (not directly probably, but as a konoha ninja) opponent, so you're going to have to give up on sasuke.

Page 15: J: Sooner or later, you'll have to face your fate. Don't beat yourself up anymore...forget about it all. A shinobi needs more than just strength, they need to be smart (rest is unclear but more of the same)
While you act like a fool...the world will continue on. That's reality.
N: ........Gotcha....

Page 16: N: If that's what being smart is, I don't care if I spend my whole life as an idiot!

page 17: N: I'll create amazing jutsu all on my own! And I'll definitely save sasuke! They I'll kick the crap out of those akatsuki guys!

Page 18: Someone like you...the best you can do on your own is think up perverted ninjutsu...
An idiot is an idiot...but you're a huge idiot!
After you get out of the hospital, get prepared...

Page 19: J: Later...
N: Yes sir!

Naruto and Jiraiya's journey begins! Next time, "Separation!"

sort of translation from narutofan forum

[JusDaMan]

Man who da heck would believe wat gamefaqs says. they may be good for games like GTA:SA (btw its MAD HOT) but for anime like naruto and crap.... NEVER believe them man

"I have a friend who works wif kishimoto etc etc etc"
"I read a spoiler that we will see a time jump"

They make up so much funny stuff its not funny.

[RyougaZell]

Delux already gave a translation Justdaman...


Is anybody still laughing?

[JusDaMan]

Lol if u read the time... i posted about 1 minute after he posted(probably less than 1 minute). I didnt refresh my page until i posted. then i saw delux's translation.

[Raven]

Damn that website, having to click on each picture. But it's still good to see the raw. It was pretty obvious for Jiraiya to be the man to see Naruto I guess.

So it seemed like Jiraiya was telling Naruto about all the training he'll be doing, and warned him about Akatsuki. We need a translation, where's WD when you need her? It'll be a good workout for her, lots of text in this one! i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Winged Dancer]

Damn Ryouga, get over it. We weren't insulting neither you nor your friend, we have enough neurones to understand that your friend only did the translation and that you only told us about it. We doubted the original source. You know, the guy who posted the japanese at Narutofan. Were you him? No? Fine, then leave it alone.
And I, for one, would appreciate it if you didn't post those summaries here... if they are indeed correct every time, it kinda takes the fun out of speculating, since they are very (too) complete.

Now, onto the chapter....

Man, Jiraiya rules. I'm happy it was him after all... he's got style! Going to the hopsital on a frog, just so he can scare the shit out of the patients and nurses. Yep, he's the one.

Anyway, I guess Naruto's reaction wasn't too hard to predict. That's just the way Naruto is... truth to be told, I still wonder if we'll see just a time jump and that's it. We could actually have lots of smaller time jumps, with some space in between to show the new apprentices progress... of course the story would center around Naruto and Jiraiya (wheee) and only show Sasuke and Sakura every now and then.
What I mean is that maybe the time jump (which is obvious now, sadly) may not be like Jiraiya and Naruto going off the village and next week coming back with Naruto all grown up. Maybe it'll be a gradual thing.

...but the prospect of suddenly seeing Naruto at 15 makes me all fuzzy inside. Yep. I wonder if he'll change his clothing? Maybe he'll adopt an Ero-Sennin style!

[PSJ]

wooot if this time jump stuff is real this is going to be awesome.

[Raven]

Over the next few chapters they might spread the time jump out a bit, showing scenes from the next 3 years from both sides of the good/evil scope; various training techniques at various stages of the 3 years. When they eventually reach a certain point in time maybe they'll just continue on from there. All this would be rather than just time-jumping immediately with the change of a new chapter. It would be too sudden otherwise I'd imagine.

[Hollow]

20 bucks says Naruto starts dressing like yondaime. Any takers?

[DeluxSkillz]

i hope he gets rid of the oragne suit maybe something black or a chuunin vest like shikamura but anything else then the orange thing i want naruto to have a new look he needs to become really cool, maybe learn how to control partial kyubi powers so he can just activate it when he wants too

[Winged Dancer]

I think Jiraiya mentioned something about becoming/reaching Anbu level (didn't read carefully, so I'm not sure), maybe he'll have the mask and all... but then again, not.

[basey44]

if he reached anbu levels isnt that the same as reaching jounin levels, arent the anbu just specialised jounin? also if it just says reaches anbu levels then i doubt hed get the mask cos hed actually have to be in an anbu squad to get one

now i gotta go back and read the translation that was posted i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[Gods_Son]

I don't mind a time jump, but it'd be better to just show the highlights of their training and improvement. As long as they do it in a short amount of time, it'd be better than seeing it through flashbacks.

Ryouga, I'm still laughing.

[Assertn]

ryouga, your friend sure picked some obvious plot details to predict from the manga

that must mean that half of us here in GW have ties with kishimoto, since at least that many of us anticipated the 3 genins to be trained by the 3 sannins and that a time jump would occur very soon i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[Ryllharu]

Well, if a time jump is going to happen, I kinda hope they just sorta make the whole jump, it would be a little like a second start to the series. Flashbacks are inevitable, so I guess we'll just have to suffer through them, but I rather not see a flashback to a portion of the training we already saw if it staggers. With a single large jump, hopefully, the only flashbacks we'll see are the ones like the Itachi one in the last arc, all new material. I really hate wasted panels on things I've read before.

[Saruto]

That's really nice! ..I knew it will have a time jump and now i'm almost sur!

..Does anybone know if jiraiya is powerless than oro?(i'm sur oro is stronger, and that sasuke will surely be better than naruto) When you see all naruto(the serie) from the beggining i'ts like tsunade,ji and oro...Sakura always kicking narutoe..(powerful punch i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif) ...so maybe yes she'll grow up to be as strong as tsunade)...and you know for oro and sasuke...and naruto for jiraiya...but what will change all of this is that naruto have the kyubi inside of him ans ji no!....but even there...sasuke has the sharingan and not oro :S....So we will have 3 new sannins ninja i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

ok ...hmm...this post was only to help me to understand i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif....

[Y]

Good thing you didn't take the obvious way out, Kishimoto. i/expressions/rolleye.gif

[Assertn]

its only obvious because kishimoto made it obvious

if he didnt go making chapter covers showing naruto's team and the sannin making the same poses, if he didnt draw pics of sakura with a slug and sasuke with a snake, and if he didnt go through the effort to make all these in-story correlations between naruto's team and the sannin, then it wouldnt be obvious

but clearly, it was his intent all along to foreshadow this

[Hatake Kakashi]

I love it!

This has been foreshadowed ever since we learned about the Sannin now it's actually happening and the story can advance into the next major arc.

Sasuke is with Orochimaru, Naruto is under Jiraiya, and Sakura is under Tsunade..

What is Kakashi going to do now though? It seems like Shikamaru is going to be the Chuunin field leader of some Gennin's, but that's kind of unclear now.

I was hoping for more info regarding Kakashi over the tombstone at the beggining. I guess he was just talking to Obito and didn't say anything indicating who Obito is..

Oh and were Orochimaru and Jiraiya fighting in the same place Naruto, Sasuke, and those two legendary ninja's fought? Or was it in a cave somewhere? I couldn't tell.

I think it's only a matter of time now until they reveal the lineage of Naruto now.

[PSJ]

Originally posted by: basey_69
if he reached anbu levels isnt that the same as reaching jounin levels, arent the anbu just specialised jounin? also if it just says reaches anbu levels then i doubt hed get the mask cos hed actually have to be in an anbu squad to get one

now i gotta go back and read the translation that was posted

no there are special jounins that work with the anbu but you become anbu before you become a jounin sensei like kakashi, gai, kurenai and asuma so all of them have been anbu even ebisu has.

it would be kickass if naruto started dressing like yondaime.

[Stoopider]

Woohoo. My predictions was right! i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

So 3 years jump. Naruto would be 15?

However it doesn't make sense the akatsuki are no more chasing Naruto though. They should have given an excuse like Jiraiya suddenly whisks away naruto into the night, never to be seen, with only Tsunade knowing about his true whereabouts. And go train on an isolated mountain where both of them will never see another pretty girl for the next 3 years.

OH THE RAGING HORMONES!
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That scenario makes more sense.

And when they return, they find the leaf has been ravaged by wars against rain and rock, with many of their friends and family dead. And Sakura blaming Naruto for leaving them all.

[Terracosmo]

Who gives a fuck about Naruto!
The only thing I wanna know is if Neji will change clothes. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Hatake Kakashi]

There isn't going to be a time jump I don't think. At least not for a few months. The next chapter is titled Seperation, so that might be Naruto saying goodbye to everyone then he'll train with Jiraiya for a while.

Time has to accelerate a bit since there is no way we can wait 3 years of normal time to see what happens next. If they went straight into it though, they would blow all the suspense. I bet we are going to se another arc with Jiraiya training Naruto that will reveal some stuff, then they'll do the time jump.

I wonder what new techniques Jiraiya is going to teach Naruto.. he has a whole scroll of super spells like the one he used in the inn to contain Itachi's Black Fire.

[LobsterMagnet]

I'm happy but at the same time I feel a little bit disappointed. We all knew that Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke were parralels of the legendary three ninjas. The foreshadowing was was sublte as a back slap to the head. Now the long awaited time jump is finally comming. I wonder if this is the reason why Kishimoto took his reasearch break. He had the story planned out till this point but didn't know what he would do after the time jump.

A periodic time jump would be cool with little tidbits of Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura's progression. I don't think were going to get that thought. Something tells me were going to get something drastic where we see Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke three years after there training is done complete with new hopefully ass kicking costumes and an older look and a handful of new techniques and abilities. Wonder if this is the beginning of a whole nother series naruto Z?

What would be even cooler is if Kishimoto started doing three separate series briefly focusing on each of them and there training. No chance in hell that something like that would happen but I can dream can't I?

LoL anyone have any bets when the time jump will officially come? 2 to 3 weeks. A month? wonder if we'll see it before the end of the year.

[Hatake Kakashi]

If he does the time jump now he is going to skip over so many potential stories with Naruto and Sakura. He isn't going to do it soon. Naruto and especially Sakura still need to develop as characters.

He COULD do three series one called Naruto, the other Sakura, the other Sasuke..I doubt he draws most of the manga now anyway. He probably has assistants for that.

[LobsterMagnet]

Dammit thats what I said already. It's not going to happen. Kishimoto is a pretty average guy and he does get alot of help with the manga's story but he still says he has trouble meeting the deadlines. Only way we would get three series is if he was whipped and starved to produce more chapters.

[Lefty]

All mangaka have troubles meeting dead lines, it's rather common on running joke. But yeah who didn't see this comming. I would say about a month to two months for the time jump. gives them a good eight to four chapters for enough character development to set up for a time jump. I don't think they will jump the whole three years. more like two or two and half so their is time for Naruto to go back to konoha and get ready to take on Sasuke and Orochimaru. Also to see how all the other characters developed through that time. Can't wait though.

[AlexQ]

Mm.. I wouldn't mind a time jump with small tidbits of information and scenes, but nothing too spoiling so we don't know that Naruto can fully control his chakra and summon medium sized frogs to block blows (I.E. Jiriaya vs Fish-face) or make his kage bunshin clones worth something in combat other than take hits.

Example:

Scene: Naruto is in the forest, panting (Yes, Naruto is tired for once!) and the voice of Jiriaya is heard saying "Again!" After making a simple shadow clone they both run to engage Jiriaya, each actually working together for once and holding their own.. as Naruto goes to make a final blow the scene changes to a three-dotted Sharingan eyed Sasuke rushing toward Kabuto with snake-like fluidity while Orochimaru watches from close distance.. blah blah.. scene cuts short of the fight in the same way Naruto's did..

Maybe Sakura's can show a little bit of field training where she's out healing minor wounds and cuts of sparring Genin.. and then doing the Sakura-esque "Sasuke-kun.." thought.

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Not creative? Sure, but I'd rather see small bits of those than seeing a whole few months worth of manga chapters of Naruto trying to master a one-handed Rasengan and then the final one being where he did it. I wanna see little snippets of them practicing jutsus, taijutsu, and other junk, but not actually completing it to avoid spoiling. Sure, it'd piss us off to all hell.. but it make it all fresh. It's possible via the manga, but they'll probably throw lots of fillers in the tv series.. especially to distance the ever so small gap between the two.

[Stoopider]

Yup. Thats good. I want to see bits and parts of their training as well. And like Terra said, WHERE"S SHINO??

And maybe for the next arc, would be concerning the other Gennin's, WITHOUT the usual 3.

Do you think 3 years would be enough for Sakura to become busty? Or does she need to hide TonTon down there to ... ok. Lets not go there.

[tuggumkee]

I can see this badass part after the timejump. There's going to be a badass entrance of shikamaru and his team, and hopefully shino too. I think there may be a few cuts to naruto going to chunnin exam final fight or somthing, and they don't show what jutsu he does but vaguely show him winning / becoming a chunnin


man kishimoto has his work cut out for him, he's got to make badass entrances for all the genin that have purposely been put out of the spotlight, i.e. shikamaru(and team), shino, and the sand nins.

3 years is a long time... remember that one arc that lasted a whole one day(which took half a year to come out)

i can't wait!!

[oscar]

since kishimoto is doing the time jump , he should later introduce a character from the future, like they did in that obscure anime called dragonball Z, it could be the son of veget....i mean sasuke and sakura, come to help out naruto change the timeline.

[xtort]

Bah. This sucks. The main reason not to like time jumps?: INTERMINABLE PERIODS OF FLASHBACKS THAT WOULD BE NICELY DONE IN THE FIRST PERSON. If this is right, I'm going to find the NarutoFan guy and beat him up something fierce! (Well, not really, but I'll definitely pout some.) It already seems obvious where a ton of this story is going. Hopefully, we'll all be surprised with the other leaf genin. What will be the difference between the sannin and the team 7 genin that makes them not have the same falling out that Orochi and Jiraiya did? Vee vill see (in like... 12 years).

-xtortout

[Hollow]

Originally posted by: oscar
since kishimoto is doing the time jump , he should later introduce a character from the future, like they did in that obscure anime called dragonball Z, it could be the son of veget....i mean sasuke and sakura, come to help out naruto change the timeline.


O_O


Let us forget that that was posted...

The time jump is a good idea; if done in spurts. Like, say, TRAINING......JUMP........TRAINING....JUMP.
See? Now everyone wins. Keh, character from the future. What's next? Genki dama no jutsu?

[dragon608608]

I think this Chapter is quite amazing. i am also excite of what happen to Naruto after 3 years of trainning. To me, i think Naruto only tap into 20% of his kyuubi's power so far. i mean look at the past, the kyuubi has a head and nine tail that make up 100% of its strength, (because the nine tail can attack it it mouth and it tail - look at the first page at the begin of vol. 1) and look at Naruto. When he fight with Haku, we saw the head of kyuubi when he try to revence Sasuke. Then in the fight with Sasuke, we saw the red charka first (the head) then we begin to see one tail form as the next level. Therefore i think he have 8 tails more to control as 80% more of his power. But i don't think that all, i also think each tail has its own special like 2 and 3 dot in Sasuke's eye. i mean look at it. When he release the head he faster stronger and become a taijutsu master. When he form a tail, he faster and stronger (taijutsu master) than he first release the head, pluse the charka has its own will to move and the ability to complete rasengan (Ninjutsu master). I mean i can't wait to see what happen next to Naruto ability when he control a new tail. Perhap Mag. sharingan like Itachi once told Sasuke (because he never tell who the third person can control Mag. Sharingan) or perhap an eye like Neji or both as a genjutsu master. Or perhap some other ability such as transform into kyuubi as Gaara or something else. This is exciting. With Sasuke, i think he will create a new form of sharingan. Like in Street figher the next level of devil Ryu is the god Ryu. i think Sasuke will create a new Sharingan that surpass Itachi's sharingan. And Sakura will obtain the rebirth jutsu from the Fifth Hokage Tsunage. I can't wait to see what happen next in 3 years.

[Hollow]

Don't compare the kyuubi to the sharingan. Your whole theory about the Kyuubi tales individual abilities, while imaginative, has no merit. The Sharingan dot mean nothing but the level of development, not what techs are associated with them. Kakashi has three, but we don't see him Mangekyouing things (mainly because of the non-Uchiha blood). The whole point of them (the genin) having different abilites is to show INDIVIDUALITY among them (and also their relationships with their families/masters). With your "tail theory", we would have to accept that there are more tech types other then Nin, Tai, and Genjutsu. I say this because once you MASTER something, you generally don't improve. Saying that He's a Taijutsu master implies that he has reached the pinncle of Taijutsu, thus he cannot improve.

Well, anybody else want to add?

[Mut]

whatever he said is just all wrong.

anyway...

1. it's been 237 chapters, yet, kakashi still talks about obito and we have no idea who he is. nice.
2. where is jiraiya's forehead protector?

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Hatake Kakashi
If he does the time jump now he is going to skip over so many potential stories with Naruto and Sakura. He isn't going to do it soon. Naruto and especially Sakura still need to develop as characters.

He COULD do three series one called Naruto, the other Sakura, the other Sasuke..I doubt he draws most of the manga now anyway. He probably has assistants for that.

ok, any potential story with naruto and sakura would end up being excruciatingly painful

[TheAwesomeChow]

I wonder if Sakura will learn to fear blood. Kinda weird to see a medic who freezes at the sight of blood.

[Souryusen]

Originally posted by: TheAwesomeChow
I wonder if Sakura will learn to fear blood. Kinda weird to see a medic who freezes at the sight of blood.

I highly doubt that would happen. Though it WOULD keep with the tradition of Sakura being fucking worthless.

[SDShamshel]

She allowed herself to get kunai'd in the arm in the Forest of Death, so I think she's fine with blood.

[Knives122]

Thank you time jump, seeing a 16 yr old(around that age) will be alot more satisfying then seeing a twelve yr. old, and hopefully naruto, sakura, and sasuke will be cooler(obviously they somewhat will), and this might get a darker attitude as well

[dragon608608]

I think you miss understanding my point of view. i didn't say that he can't improve or anything like that. When i say is he become taijutsu or Ninjutsu master, i mean he become good in that area as the tail develop. There are thousands of different ability to develop in each area of Jutsu. The more tail develop the more he develop. For example, if you watch Flame of recca You see each dragon have different ability, blade, barrier, power, quality, etc. i believe same thing going to happen with naruto tail. He going to develop more and more in realm of NIn, Tail, and Genjutsu.

[Reason]

2. where is jiraiya's forehead protector?

Exactly what I was thinking about, I believe he had to break ties in order to go on this journy with Naruto, I believe Naruto will probably have to do the same...

We will see once the Translation comes out

- Reason -

[jing]

Originally posted by: Knives122
Thank you time jump, seeing a 16 yr old(around that age) will be alot more satisfying then seeing a twelve yr. old, and hopefully naruto, sakura, and sasuke will be cooler(obviously they somewhat will), and this might get a darker attitude as well

no thank you, i would definitely not wanna see a whole different type of anime with a whole different type of characters suddenly change. If i didn't like them now, i would have stopped the anime a while ago.

[Himura_san]

I am not happy with a time jump, it just seems like things get rushed. I wanna see the characters grow not just see them after they have matured. We'll see where Kishimoto takes this.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Knives122
Thank you time jump, seeing a 16 yr old(around that age) will be alot more satisfying then seeing a twelve yr. old, and hopefully naruto, sakura, and sasuke will be cooler(obviously they somewhat will), and this might get a darker attitude as well

does naruto fail to satisfy your powerful sexual urges?

edit: er, i thought you meant a 16 yr old sakura as opposed to a 12 yr old sakura
but oh well, im still amused i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Masamune]

inane's out

http://www.foodfabulousfood.com/pub/zorlac/Naruto_v27_ch237%5bInane%5d.zip

edit: What's up with Jiraiya having an Atomic frog... page 4 i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[Death BOO Z]

Inane out, go get it.

good one, Kishimoto, why bother suprising the readers if you can just take the easy way out?

leaving the bad points aside, don't you think Naruto looks much better with bandeges than with his jacket?

edit: dragon608608, while your theory is nice and all, it's still wrong.
1. Naruto didn't gain Taijutsu skills, he gained super speed and stuff, but also had the battle instincs of a fox, you can it when he jump to avoid Haku, it wasn't taijutsu, it was just strengh, rage and bloodlust. you'd be suprised to see what those three could do when combined.
2. Recca's dragons were made out of 8 diffrent people, the kyubi tails are just signs of aging (and therefore power), like how a tree grows more brenches as it gets older.
3. head + nine tails = 100%? what about claws? massive body? monster fear effect? the head and the tails make up for only about 35% of the total body mass, so there's no way that it's all.

[Nine Tailed Demon]

time jump!

In three years Sasuke will be stronger, Sakura will be a medic nin and Naruto will be jiraya powered up...

[Sidnne]

Originally posted by: Reason


2. where is jiraiya's forehead protector?

Exactly what I was thinking about, I believe he had to break ties in order to go on this journy with Naruto, I believe Naruto will probably have to do the same...

We will see once the Translation comes out

- Reason -

Jiraiya didn't wear a traditional Konoha forehead protector. He wore that little spiked helmet type thing of his own choosing. And I don't believe it had the Konoha Leaf on it. There isn't anything symbolic about him not wearing it, he was just dressed casual and not armored up to visit Naruto in the hospital.

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
whatever he said is just all wrong.

anyway...

1. it's been 237 chapters, yet, kakashi still talks about obito and we have no idea who he is. nice.
2. where is jiraiya's forehead protector?



Yeah its really bad of him not telling us anything about Kakashi after all this time.

Im most intrested in his backround after Naruto so i hope we will get to know something about him soon.

EDIT: I just read the inane version,it was a pretty good chapter and im looking forward to Narutos training. I wonder what Jiraya meant when he said that the akatsuki cant chase Naruto for three four years.

Are they waiting for something....

[drcitan]

This chapter kicked ass and that frog Jiraiya was on rocked!

[Cyrano]

Why would the Akatsuki organisation wait 3 years to achieve one of it's goals ? It seems a little too convenient to me...

EDIT : spelling mistakes

[Death BOO Z]

i've got two guesses, one is good, the second is probable.
1. they plan on using orochimaru as test subject for the soul\demon transfer, and they've send Kabuto to watch over.
2. Kishimoto plans to wait a year until getting back to this plotline, and by then he thinks we'll forget about it.

[RyougaZell]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
ryouga, your friend sure picked some obvious plot details to predict from the manga

that must mean that half of us here in GW have ties with kishimoto, since at least that many of us anticipated the 3 genins to be trained by the 3 sannins and that a time jump would occur very soon


err... we never predicted...
i posted a topic from other forum, with a summary on japanese that my friend translated
and then Mutata came saying it was bullshit

[ohpeekaboo]

well, a few things.

first, a time jump would not be the most rich addition to the naruto storyline. main reason for time jump seems to be so we can get to the "badass" versions of naruto, sakura, and sasuke, but in doing so, a lot of more subtle and meaningful moments (the ones that give real meaning to the dramatic battles in the first place) would be lost.

second. kishimoto deciding not to reveal anything about kakashi is fine, i think. can't give away all the secrets, now can you? i think it keeps things fresh and exciting wondering when different parts of the story will be uncovered. plus, it would be out of place. now is not kakashi's spotlight time.

third, the timing does seem convenient but for naruto it's most likely so he can grow up and his abilities/potentials will be matured. same way you don't pick fruit of the tree that is still in infancy.

[Cyrano]

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
i've got two guesses, one is good, the second is probable.
1. they plan on using orochimaru as test subject for the soul\demon transfer, and they've send Kabuto to watch over.
2. Kishimoto plans to wait a year until getting back to this plotline, and by then he thinks we'll forget about it.

Maybe i missed something, but why would they be interested in soul transfer ?

And i think Kabuto being a spy for Akatsuki is a little too far fetched... even if he definitely has something up is sleeves. So it's probably your second guess... i hope Kishimoto will come up with a good explanation for this later in the story.

[oscar]

perhaps kabuto is a spy for jiraiya, in page 08 of chapter 237, he says that orochimaru changed bodies, HOW DOES HE KNOW THAT, only kabuto and orochimaru know about this, or he snuck in and watched himself, qienh wouyld be weird cause if he can do this he could have assasinated him, dunno but could someone share a different point of view to see how does he know.

[Shin_Naruto]

If you didnt see the 3 year timejump the day orochimaru jumped into that other guys body then you dont have the foresight to make predictions. Kishimoto drops some great suprises (mainly fighting stuff) but you can see this sort of stuff coming a year away.

'You will not even lay a finger on my forehead.' is heavy foreshadowing...
Tsunada becoming the 5th, Time jump, and the team not dieing are just duh's... they dont need to be foreshadowed to know whats going to happen.
Rock Lee showing up out of no where to fight in the last arc... that was a suprise.


I look forward to it... there is no doubt Naruto needs to mature some, Sakura needs to become usefull, and Sasuke needs to figure out where his path will lead him.

I hear people bitch just watching Naruto learn how to summon a frog for a few chapters... if he had to learn a dozen jutsus at the same pace you guys would go nuts, even if it was broken up by fighting some ninjas. The stories would be good but when you know that Akatsuki is around the corner it would drive you nuts. Just like the stupid running arc in the anime drives you nuts knowing Naruto and Sasuke are supposed to be having their fight and Sasuke should have left Konoha already... hell he could be in the barrel by now.

I don't think the characters will change, we have seen all the main characters (save shino/ten ten) change because of Naruto in the last few arcs. They wont change again... its time for them to power up and get to ass kicking.

http://forums.gotwoot.net/i/ratingicons/thumbsup.gif Naruto http://forums.gotwoot.net/i/ratingicons/thumbsup.gif

[hopeknight]

This chapter left me very curious about Jiraiya. How the heck did he get that kind of information? In all honesty, I don't trust his character fully anymore, his knowledge is too convenient. I would predict an interesting plot twist if there wasn't already too much evidence against it.

[Hotsuma]

Jiraiya is a sannin. He sees all. Knows all. Or something. Anyways, this was a good chapter. Naruto's character shines brightly, and I can't help but think more highly of it, because of that.

But, I want to see Sasuke's progression w/Oro more than Naruto/Jiraiya and Sakura/Tsunade. Simply because you know he hates Oro's guts deep down, and is only using him. Jiraiya and Naruto, you know get along very well (kind of..) and Sakura/Tsunade will be easy, because of how obidient Sakura is.

[itchy butt]

remember how tsunade had that jacket that said "gambling"? well, i guess you can see taht sakura is gonna be wearing that "fighting spirit" jacket like tsunade soon.... Time jump = super cool. i hope naruto gets a new set of clothes, anything thats better than a trashy orange jumpsuit. (even a black jumpsuit would be fine)

[fremeer]

i dont think it will be a full 3 years later time jump, most likely we will see some of the training because it makes it more interesting to the reader and easier for kishimoto since he can forget about the story for a couple of chapters. also didnt kakashi say that if sasuke relied too much on the cursed seal he wouldnt grow as much? i think after 3 years naruto will be on level with sasuke and both be around ANBU level since they have craploads of potential. I think naruto will keep jis jumpsuit but it will an upgraded jumpsuit.

[JFDrummer430]

If there is a time jump, which it certainly looks like there will be, Im honestly more interested in what happens to all the side characters during that time than Team 7. Konohamaru and co. will have graduated (i think), Shikamaru will have been leading missions, there will have been 6 more chuunin exams, etc. I wouldnt be surprised to see a few of the others such as Neji, Shino, and Tenten to be Chuunins or ANBU. They will all be about 16-18 give or take, so Ill bet relationships will have begun to form. Akamaru will probably grow some and be closer to the size of Kiba's mom's dog. We might see something involving Hinata and Hanabi, now that Hanabi will be 3 years older and probably out of the acadamy.

My guess is that he will spend the next 4 chapters to finish wrapping everything up in town and then use volume 28 as a gradual time jump. Volume 29 will start the next arc 2.5 to 3 years later.

No matter how it happens, this is going to rock... like, mune ni rocks. i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[basey44]

Originally posted by: JFDrummer430
No matter how it happens, this is going to rock... like, mune ni rocks.

that was rather nice, but u could have made it better by refering to haruka kanata in some way i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif just letting u know

[kaigan]

wow, the manga could shift in any direction now. lots of different things and hopefully it would be good.

[John San]

WWWOOOOOOOOOAWWWWWWWW Great chapter IMO.

But soo predictible. Anyway, I hope the time jump won't be a straight 3-year jump and thousands of flashbacks, but more as one say : from time to time stops in the time jump to see what happens in their training and in Konoha.

Plus, I really want to know how Neji, Chouji, Rock Lee, Shino (even if he isn't a secondary character), Gaara, Temari and Shikamaru are doing in the meantime. I can't imagine Kishimoto skipping these guys.

Aahhhhhhh I want to know what they'll look like !!!

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
i've got two guesses, one is good, the second is probable.
1. they plan on using orochimaru as test subject for the soul\demon transfer, and they've send Kabuto to watch over.
2. Kishimoto plans to wait a year until getting back to this plotline, and by then he thinks we'll forget about it.


I dont know about soul transfer thing but i like the ide of Kabuto being a spy for akatsuki cause you know that Kabuto is hiding his true power,his is not the type that would be fine with just being oros slave.

If he were a spy then it would make sense him staying with oro for so long and hiding his real power.

I would like if Kabuto was a akatsuki member or trying to become one cause then he would have to be scary good ninja, i like his characther and he would much better as a bad guy then Oro.

[PSJ]

you're probably right kabuto would be a great badguy. and i dont think even oro knows about his true power so it would make sense for him to be an akatsuki spy. but the interesting things is how all the characters will turn out after the time jump(s) i guess there will be a number of small time jumps to see their progression rather than one big time jump.

great chapter showed even more of the similarity between naruto and jiraiya. i cant wait for the next chap :'(

[jing]

Well tben if that case, he's gotta be like superbadass that even Oro can't detect his true powers.........

[Arog]

um guys how do u know that there will be a time jump? i prolly missed that but he might make a couple of episodes on some cool techniques like seeing how naruto learns it and all (something like the rasengan maybe). and it would be really cool to see naruto + sakura + rocklee + neji and others as anbu

[RasenDori]

i havent bothered to read this thread yet, but im certain its been mentioned a thousand times already about the time jump. after seeing venu fly-trap-badass-guy emerge after the naruto sasuke fight i had this feeling that they were watching everything. zabuza fight, chuunin exam. every where naruto is, they are. but my question is, why wait? they have the skill to take him almost any time. do they want to watch him mature more? why would they do that if its the kyuubi not naruto they want. or is there something more impotant then naruto that need 3 years to get or do? but my greatest question is: will all the useles characters become get some development in the next years?

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
you're probably right kabuto would be a great badguy. and i dont think even oro knows about his true power so it would make sense for him to be an akatsuki spy. but the interesting things is how all the characters will turn out after the time jump(s) i guess there will be a number of small time jumps to see their progression rather than one big time jump.

great chapter showed even more of the similarity between naruto and jiraiya. i cant wait for the next chap :'(


We need i think a cool bad guy and Oro isnt enough anymore and so i hope we will se someone in Akatsuki that can be a bigger problem than Oro for Naruto and cop. Oro have survived to many deaths and i hope Kabuto or someone in akatsuki kills him soon.

[kAi]

man this was a good chapter...
as said before, my thoughts on the 3 year thing will be partial jumps, then see some significant stuff, get to see naruto and jiraiya, the other 11 genins, sasuke included.
well we know something is goin down in 3years time, heh

orochimaru want sasuke
sasuke wanting itachi
Akatsuki wanting naruto

im glad that jiraiya is training naruto, jiraiya is one of my favourites. be seeing more of him.

[Eurasian]

omg..3 years. i want akatsuki NOW. but it's going to interesting what new jutsus and skills jiraiya is going to teach naruto.

[kAi]

i cant wait to see the moves and training that naruto will receive from jiraiya.

and the kakashi scene, i wonder what is to be a kakashi? what will he do? how will this effect him, and when will we know more about him.

[Alu]

From what I gathered Naruto is going to make his own with Jiraiyas supervision.

Which is totally cool.

[PSJ]

jiraiya is going to train naruto. btw there is an inane translation out at tokyotosho.com

[JusDaMan]

Well... Now that team 7 is basically split up...

Kakashi has no more job... My theory is, for the next 2.5 years he will turn back to anbu. and in the remaining .5 years, he will go and teach a new team, more specificly konohamaru, udon, and moegi

[PSJ]

yea i would like to see kakashi to become an anbu again that would also mean that we might get some clues on what happened to obito and how kakashi got his eye. the thing im waiting to see the most is naruto after 3 years. i mean sasuke will obviously become more evil and sakura more confident and mature but they will probably remain mostly the same. i want naruto to become more of a cool guy a little yondaime-like but still have some of his old elements.

[Eurasian]

now that you guys are talking about team 7 3 years later...yah that would be really cool. especially if sakura is a medic nin..i'm really curious about how she turns out.

[Stoopider]

Just an improbable question...

But what are the chances that Kabuto is a secret spy working for Jiraiya? Or playing double sided at least?

Liike Jiraiya says, don't look down on his sources ( how he knew that Orochimaru needed 3 years before he can do his soul-transfer jutsu again).

Improbable. But it's just a thought.

[Assertn]

well, sakura's healing abilities wont help naruto very much, since he has kyubi to heal him

but she would be useful for the other teammates.....which might hint that there will be another konoha kiddie team mission most likely led by shikamaru in the future

[John San]

I would really love seeing Sakura being useful for at least two or three chapter. Just for her to save the day before dying in Sasuke's arms...

Just an idea...

[xtort]

Originally posted by: RasenDori
i havent bothered to read this thread yet, but im certain its been mentioned a thousand times already about the time jump. after seeing venu fly-trap-badass-guy emerge after the naruto sasuke fight i had this feeling that they were watching everything. zabuza fight, chuunin exam. every where naruto is, they are. but my question is, why wait? they have the skill to take him almost any time. do they want to watch him mature more? why would they do that if its the kyuubi not naruto they want. or is there something more impotant then naruto that need 3 years to get or do? but my greatest question is: will all the useles characters become get some development in the next years?

You make an assumption, and then question the obvious flaw in the assumption. It's probably because it's not a valid assumption, no?

I don't think we'll do a jump, rather, just accelerated time, with people learning and growing rapidly. And later on, flashbacks to fill in the gaps.

-xtortout

[Hakeem_21]

I feel sorry for Kakashi cause he lost Sasuke to the dark side aka Oro or worse,he lost Naruto and Sakura to the two sannins. His team 7 didnt last long.

Hopefully this means that we get know more about him now that he doesnt have a team right now.

[Zhan]

Yeah, I wonder if kakashi would go off and train some more since obviously he knows he is no match for itachi and orochimaru and just on par with kabuto, maybe he could invent some new moves i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[PSJ]

my guess to why akatsuki isnt taking naruto now is probably that they want to see what the kyuubi can do and how much a of kyubis power a person can use. i think there is someone that wants that power but wants to check the risks first. i dont think even akatsuki wants kyubi to get released.

i think kakashi should work on things like jutsu speed, i mean itachi outdid him easily so what kakashi needs isnt new moves but rather to go back to the basics.

[Zhan]

mm, yea your probably right, if kyuubi is to be released then no one can really stop it...but i dont get it, if they capture naruto, how would that atkasuki leader be able to wield the kyuubi's power? or maybe they are waiting right now because they want naruto to get stronger, then capture him somehow and use some sort of jutsu to turn naruto into one of them?? meh i dunno.

Yeah ur right about kakashi...he needs to go back to basics. but hey you know how itachi's sharingan is biological and kakashi's is artificial, does that mean itachi is better at foresight? or r they the same and the only difference is kakashi cant use mangekyo?

[Cyrano]

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
i think kakashi should work on things like jutsu speed, i mean itachi outdid him easily so what kakashi needs isnt new moves but rather to go back to the basics.

An elite jounin, going back to the basics ? Maybe he could ask Ebisu to be is sensei i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[PSJ]

yea an elite jounin going back to the basics. i mean he know 1000+ jutsus i dont think he need more jutsus for a while, what he needs is speed and maybe strength. but more importantly speed, thats where itachi completly crushed him, kakashi could keep up with his eye but not with his body, what good does it to follow with your eyes if the body cant react? so some basic speed training however you train that is what he needs. like some sort of rock lee training only at an higher level.

[Raven]

This is slightly worrying - recently it took over a year in real time for about 12 hours to pass in the manga - how much real time will it take for 3 years to pass? It'll be the longest manga of all time. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[Cyrano]

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
yea an elite jounin going back to the basics. i mean he know 1000+ jutsus i dont think he need more jutsus for a while, what he needs is speed and maybe strength. but more importantly speed, thats where itachi completly crushed him, kakashi could keep up with his eye but not with his body, what good does it to follow with your eyes if the body cant react? so some basic speed training however you train that is what he needs. like some sort of rock lee training only at an higher level.

The way i saw it, Kakashi was doing fine in term of speed against Itachi. What caused Itachi to win was his superior jutsu. But i understand what you mean... he should do a complete training in order to not be defeated like this another time.

[ilabb]

Originally posted by: CmDr_RavEn
This is slightly worrying - recently it took over a year in real time for about 12 hours to pass in the manga - how much real time will it take for 3 years to pass? It'll be the longest manga of all time.

The ironic thing about that is that it should only take like 2 hours at most to read this entire arc XD

Time sure is a weird thing...

[Ryllharu]

Originally posted by: CmDr_RavEn
This is slightly worrying - recently it took over a year in real time for about 12 hours to pass in the manga - how much real time will it take for 3 years to pass? It'll be the longest manga of all time.

If Yakitate! Japan can make a month pass in a single panel, and then make fun of that panel, I hope Kishimoto can pass three years in a few chapters. If it's not a jump or staggered over a few chapters, I'm not sure what I can do, waiting for the chapter each week is bad enough.

[viciousHyuuga]

i think kakashi will be ok, cant wait to see the others 3 years from now (ie. neji, hinata an the rest). would be cool to if we can go in dept with some of the other chars an anbu members.

[Hatake Kakashi]

It will be cool to see Sakura and Naruto take on Sasuke at a later time. It will probably just mimick the last battle we saw of the Sannin though..

[PSJ]

maybe but still naruto and sasuke will probably fly at each other with rasengan and chidori.

[Konohamaru]

Hmm interesting chapter. Wonder who Obito is (wait? who did Itachi kill to get his sharingan?). We possibly could get some more chapters to sum up enough info for us ready for a possible time jump with flash backs mind u. Maybe Naruto will look more like the 4th Hokage, Sakura to look like Tsunade and Sasuke to look more like Itachi. Perhaps Sasuke will get the super sharingan (mange something, lol) by then.

If they do a time jump I'm still predicting Konohamaru will play a BIG part later on. I can sense it!!! He'll make a dramatic entrance during a big fight where no one will recognise him and he'll kick some ass and do his famous grin in the end and mention his identity and shock Naruto and everyone here!!!

Just you watch!!!i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

I wonder what style Konohamaru would have in the future. 1st Hokage seemed to like doing nature like jutsu's with brute force like Tsunade, the 2nd Hokage seemed water based and was quick on his feet. 3rd is earth based jutsu's with all his mud attacks and a genious. Don't know much about the 4th's style. And the 5th is just strong like the 1st with medical background jutsus.

[PSJ]

itachi killed his friend to get his mangekyou and sasuke needs to do the same so he wont get the mangekyou until he kills naruto which wont happen therefore he wont get it.

[Konohamaru]

I meant the guy's name that Itachi killed?

[Hatake Kakashi]

Not sure, but I know it wasn't Obito.

[Arog]

maybe u dont necessarily have to kill a friend to get the mangekyou. sasuke might just have to trigger an emotion which will unlock it. in itachi's case it was killing his friend but maybe sasuke just has to kill his brother and accomplish his goal and get the mangekyou that way.

[jing]

or maybe he gets mangekyo from klling his brother, and then he goes n kils oro afterwards

[PSJ]

no sasuke shouldnt kill all the badguys that would make sasuke look better than he is. and konohamaru go read the part where he kills him if you want to know his name. it is not obito. obito is kakashi's friend who probably died on a mission with kakashi or somtehing like that, kakashi could have prevented it form happening but he didnt. thats what i guess.

[Death BOO Z]

actually, I'm quite sure that Obito is the 'third' person that Itachi was speaking of, and that he tried to kill Kakashi to get the mengejyou sharingan but Kakashi defeated him.

[jing]

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
actually, I'm quite sure that Obito is the 'third' person that Itachi was speaking of, and that he tried to kill Kakashi to get the mengejyou sharingan but Kakashi defeated him.

It doesn't make sense. If the 3rd person was Obito, that means Obito DID have mangekyo already. Obviously we can see that kakashi is still alive.

[Mut]

itachi said, including him, there are three people who can awaken the mangekyou sharingan. dbz's theory is feasible.

[Ryllharu]

Speaking of Kakashi and the sharingan, do we even know exactly where Kakashi got his sharingan? All we know so far is that Oro had something to do with it. Could it be Obito's?

EDIT: maybe Obito tried to kill Kakashi to get the mangekyo, and Kakashi in turn killed him first.

If there already was a thread on this, sorry, but it seemed relavant here.

[PossiblE]

If there already was a thread on this, sorry, but it seemed relavant here.
Nah, I think you have been the first to come out with these theories.

This chapter was good, like others have said, I hope they do the timejump gradually.

[jing]

Originally posted by: Ryllharu
Speaking of Kakashi and the sharingan, do we even know exactly where Kakashi got his sharingan? All we know so far is that Oro had something to do with it. Could it be Obito's?

EDIT: maybe Obito tried to kill Kakashi to get the mangekyo, and Kakashi in turn killed him first.

If there already was a thread on this, sorry, but it seemed relavant here.

Yes we know, do you even keep track of the manga?

[Eurasian]

everything dealing with obito are just speculation. ntm, the story of kakashi's sharingan was never told indepth.

[basey44]

id like to know who the chick in his team was, though obviously she must be dead cos he said hes lost everyone precious to him. hmm theres not much relevance with what i said to the thread but meh

[Franggio]

hmm, I do belive that the Akatsuki wan't to wait for Naruto to reach his puberty, and in doing so
his kintama'tachi(?) will have grown allowing the Akatsuki to observe the Kyuubi "indepth"
and at the same time it wouldn't hurt if Sakura "happened" to die in a foolish way as the foolish woman she is
leaving more space for Hinata to come in i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[kAi]

Originally posted by: Ryllharu
Speaking of Kakashi and the sharingan, do we even know exactly where Kakashi got his sharingan? All we know so far is that Oro had something to do with it.

Orochimaru had nothing to do with Kakashi's sharingan.

[Ryllharu]

In chapter 69 (Chuunin Exam semi-finals, after Sasuke's fight) or so on page 10, Oro talks about Kakashi's sharingan. I'm not exactly sure what it says because the one I have isn't scanned by a group I particularly trust, but I got the implication from that that Oro had something to do with Kakashi's three dotted Sharingan or at the very least knew a lot about it.

[basey44]

if you are commenting on when kakashi and sealing up sasukes curse seal, oro mearly says something like ah i see u finally got i sharingan, and then says something about him also being after a sharingan. showing that oro just found out about kakashis eye. watch the episode, its very clear