How powerful is Haku? [Archive]

Uchiha Kakure

Sat, 10-02-2004, 12:25 PM

I constantly here how Haku is jounin levekl, how he's stronger than Zabuza, but I dont think so. He had blazing speed in his mirrors, has intellegent, and he can use one handed seals. No only that but he has a nearly unbeatable jutsu, unless you have a supreme ninjutsu or taijutsu.

However, just those things alone doesnt mean you can compete with a jounin, especially one as strong as Zabuza. Sasuke and Neji fall into the same category as Haku, genius ninjas with powerful bloodline limits. But I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt they could take on their respective masters.

Opinions?

DeadalouS

Sat, 10-02-2004, 12:47 PM

Actually i feel the same, haku isnt that high a level ninja.

His only extreme trick is to make some mirrors in which he has to trap the enemy before they are totally denied any chance in combat, if trapped in the mirrors... yes its game over if haku wants to kill someone.
yet a jounin level fighting 1 on 1 with haku wouldnt charge him head on and run into his jutsu, AND WOULD NOT STAND AND LOOK WHILE A JUTSU IS FORMING.... an experienced jounin (even chuunin) would retreat untill he had decided what the jutsu did, and still even if he couldnt he would not enter its perimeter... so haku could come to a deadlock with any jounin and chuunin by using his supreme technique... yet he cannot decide the match with it.

Haku is pretty much ordinary when he is fighting normally... he was beat by early genin sasuke and had to retreat to his ice mirrors... and naruto only unleashed as much power as he did with neji... so i would consider haku = neji like uchiha kakure here does.....

last remark and summary of it all "Haku is overestimated."

Stoopider

Sat, 10-02-2004, 01:45 PM

Yep. Jounnin wouldn't be that stupid to stop and look at those pretty mirrors.

Plus, the Jounnin would strike as he's summoning them. Only way I see it for Haku to win, is to hide, then summon it on the Jounnin's trapping the Jounnin as he's taking a nap under the tree.

Gods_Son

Sat, 10-02-2004, 02:47 PM

Who cares, he's dead now.

Mr.X

Sat, 10-02-2004, 02:47 PM

one handed hand seals is badass.

tri-sapphire

Sat, 10-02-2004, 06:58 PM

Yep. Jounnin wouldn't be that stupid to stop and look at those pretty mirrors.

Actually, as long as there's water around Haku can make really good use of those mirrors. He doesn't have to make a circle around his opponent, and those mirrors give him speed about equal to instant transportation. After all, he popped up in front of Kakashi after he started to perform chidori (and Haku was kinda far away), meaning that Kakashi was going full speed (it's a requirement of the skill).

chidori24

Sat, 10-02-2004, 09:33 PM

I agree with Mr. X i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif Doing seals with just one hand is cool considering that he is the only one so far who demonstrated this skill i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif So, if anyone else could do one handed seals, I wonder if they can do two seals at a time i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif

Lenas

Sat, 10-02-2004, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by: tri-sapphire
Yep. Jounnin wouldn't be that stupid to stop and look at those pretty mirrors.

Actually, as long as there's water around Haku can make really good use of those mirrors. He doesn't have to make a circle around his opponent, and those mirrors give him speed about equal to instant transportation. After all, he popped up in front of Kakashi after he started to perform chidori (and Haku was kinda far away), meaning that Kakashi was going full speed (it's a requirement of the skill).

Yeah, too bad Haku wasn't using a mirror of any kind when he ran in front of Kakashi. That was his speed alone, not some trick. Perhaps he got a bit faster to protect someone important? *Never* seen that before.

jing

Sat, 10-02-2004, 11:35 PM

I'd say if he were to join the chunnin exam. He would be chunnin.

Hotsuma

Sun, 10-03-2004, 12:48 AM

Haku is good enough to beat the crap out of Naruto at this point.

Stoopider

Sun, 10-03-2004, 04:29 AM

Everybody can beat the crap out of Naruto. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

basey44

Sun, 10-03-2004, 07:28 AM

lol yea, even that shitcunt sasuke beat him AND naruto was like super kyuubi

Sun, 10-03-2004, 09:23 AM

Haku is stronger than Zabuza.

Elite Hentai

Sun, 10-03-2004, 03:47 PM

Have you guys forgotten Haku has beaten at least 1 ANBU? How else did he get that mask?

XwingRob

Sun, 10-03-2004, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by: Gods_Son
Who cares, he's dead now.

kaigan

Sun, 10-03-2004, 05:05 PM

haku's mirror seal is probably very fast but it has to be shown slow so it would be cool and interesting.

Uchiha Kakure

Sun, 10-03-2004, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by: Elite Hentai
Have you guys forgotten Haku has beaten at least 1 ANBU? How else did he get that mask?

I'm sure that mask isnt that hard to make. If he can create mirrors and jump using reflections, I'm sure he can make a mask.

Hotsuma

Mon, 10-04-2004, 12:12 AM

Uh, no. The Mirrors were merely a jutsu of his, that utilized water and ice, forming a circle of mirrors around his victims.

The mask is part of no jutsu.

Arcn3ss

Mon, 10-04-2004, 02:27 PM

How powerful is Haku?

Ya Iam pretty powerful. Apparently dead tho.

benjaminz

Mon, 10-04-2004, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by: basey_69
lol yea, even that shitcunt sasuke beat him AND naruto was like super kyuubi
so true i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

jing

Mon, 10-04-2004, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by: Haku_san
How powerful is Haku?

Ya Iam pretty powerful. Apparently dead tho.

But he goes to Trent university. So not very powerfull.

kinD4rkness

Wed, 10-06-2004, 10:46 PM

I agree. Although I do believe Haku had much more potential then Zabuza because of his blood line and the fact that he sorta directed Zabuza to victory in his battles I think Zabuza is more skilled in ninjutsu. Infact I think many jounin and genin are taken forgranted because of the few who have certain outbursts. In other words even though Naruto has the kyuubi I still think Itachi or Orochimaru could take him out, possibly even Kakashi. Although the few have great power they tend not to use it in combonation with ninjutsu often.

jing

Thu, 10-07-2004, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by: kinD4rkness
I agree. Although I do believe Haku had much more potential then Zabuza because of his blood line and the fact that he sorta directed Zabuza to victory in his battles I think Zabuza is more skilled in ninjutsu. Infact I think many jounin and genin are taken forgranted because of the few who have certain outbursts. In other words even though Naruto has the kyuubi I still think Itachi or Orochimaru could take him out, possibly even Kakashi. Although the few have great power they tend not to use it in combonation with ninjutsu often.

I hope you realize all the people you just listed can EASILY take down kyubi naruto.

NewTaxes

Thu, 10-07-2004, 03:38 PM

I think Haku was average as far as abilities went, he was a good at coming up with strategies much like a very popular leaf ninja. Comparing him to any of the Genins who went on the mission from the recent arc and he's very weak, hell even Chouji would win fairly easily.
Also I don't see Haku as ever being equal to or surpassing Zabuza, who was a legendary ninja as both a child and an adult.

Thu, 10-07-2004, 03:48 PM

Zabuza stated that Haku was better than him.

archAvenger24

Sat, 10-09-2004, 01:17 AM

With all factors considered he was deffintly stronger than Zabuza and just in general was incredibly strong. Not so much that he could take a jounin on at his current level but because he was so young when he was at that level shows he had potential to become much greater at an older age.

Mut

Sat, 10-09-2004, 01:33 AM

there is actually a huge 'x is stronger than y' inconsistancy in the water country arc. haku's trump card was his ice mirrors, more specifically his incredible speed with the help from the jutsu. however, if sasuke's underdeveloped sharingan could see haku's movements, how easily could kakshi see haku moving around?

then, i guess it was stated that haku was stronger than zabuza. like wtf? would that mean kakashi would've had a harder time beating haku if they were to fight? personally, i doubt it. i think kakashi would've had a much easier time fighting haku than zabuza mainly because haku is mainly a ninjutsu user while zabuza relied on more taijutsu techniques to attack kakashi (of course with some help from clones and mist). i think like this because i think kakashi is mainly a ninjutsu user too. and i'm 100% positive that kakashi is better than haku in terms of fighting skills and ninjutsu just based on kakashi's reputation.

maybe zabuza was overestimating haku or underestimating himself. but i'm pretty confident in saying that haku could've been beaten by rock lee or neji.

archAvenger24

Sat, 10-09-2004, 01:42 AM

I agree Haku could b beaten by Lee or Neji but both of them are just as extrodinary as Haku. However against a non-genius (counting Lee as genius because of the 8-gate technique) I think haku would win by a landslide.

Then again he was in ANBU so mayb he was more skillful then Lee or Neji.

NewTaxes

Sat, 10-09-2004, 01:43 AM

Please don't quote what Zabuza said. It was obvious he was boasting faslehoods, Haku was moreso a useful zealot to watch his back. and I agree with Mut@t@ in that if it was rock lee or neji during the bridge battle Haku would never have even got to his ice mirrors.

Sat, 10-09-2004, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
there is actually a huge 'x is stronger than y' inconsistancy in the water country arc. haku's trump card was his ice mirrors, more specifically his incredible speed with the help from the jutsu. however, if sasuke's underdeveloped sharingan could see haku's movements, how easily could kakshi see haku moving around?

Remember also that Haku was trying desperately to stall so as to avoid killing Sasuke and Naruto. If Haku had wanted to murder Sasuke he could have instantly killed him with a needle to the neck before he could react, at any time, even when he had the Sharingan on. Haku was also so skilled that he used one handed seals - something that even Kakashi hadn't seen, and something no one since has replicated (except Itachi).

And, of course, I have absolutely no problem with saying that Rock Lee or Neji could defeat a Jounin. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

Assertn

Sat, 10-09-2004, 02:27 PM

i dont know why you guys say that zabuza was overestimating haku.....
after he made the statement about haku being stronger than himself, he elaborated more about how he taught haku everything he knew, while haku simultaneously strengthened his own bloodline skills.

Therefore you could say that zabuza + bloodline = haku

Sat, 10-09-2004, 03:09 PM

Oh, and as a minor sidenote - Haku's Kekkei Genkai is his ability to use the Ice Mirror Jutsu, not his ability to do one-handed seals. That ability is never implied or stated to have anything to do with Haku's Kekkei Genkai and anyone saying that they are interrelated is talking out of his or her ass.

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Mut

Sat, 10-09-2004, 03:19 PM

saying haku's bloodline and one handed seals not interrelated is same as saying neji's bloodline and his gentle fist is not interrelated.

haku can do one handed seals cuz of his bloodline just like how neji can do gentle fist cuz of his bloodline.

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Originally posted by: Y The Alien
Neji can perform Jyuuken thanks to the Byakugan.
last time i checked, byakugan = bloodline.

Sat, 10-09-2004, 03:51 PM

Neji can perform Jyuuken thanks to the Byakugan.

There is never a link made between the one-handed seals and the ice jutsu (or ice jutsus). Haku had the ability to perform one-handed seals - AND to manipulate ice. Two seperate and distinct abilities.

Raven

Sat, 10-09-2004, 09:51 PM

Maybe Zabuza said Haku was stronger because of his ice mirrors and the fact that nobody has ever escaped them, not because he's a better overall ninja. I agree, if it were Kakashi and Haku fighting instead, it would have been no contest, because I believe Kakashi is a much better overall ninja.

I think Zabuza was just referring to Haku's potential and his great ability for solo learning.