Official Chapter 233 Discussion

[DeluxSkillz]

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good chapter

[mugen-x]

i cant believe this chidori beats rasengan and is naruto dead?? and what happened to sasuke's arm?

[DeluxSkillz]

naruto is probably ko, chidori didn't beat the rasengan sasuke was just better plus he had that wing covering him, sasuke's arm must've been after effects of using lvl2, i loved that scene where the light broke trough the clouds great chapter

[fremeer]

from what i saw of the thing it looks like naruto missed sasuke and caused the massive explosion while sasuke hit causing naruto to get KO.

[Elessar]

[Edit 2]
@Ryllharu: true.

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[/Edit 2]
Ok, where Sasuke hits Naruto, Naruto's clothes are intact. No hole in his chest, so probably not dead but exhausted.

But Sasuke seems to "hit" Naruto earlier what causes Naruto to lose his focus on rasengan. The uncontrolled rasengan then scratches Sasuke's forehead-protector and causes the explosion. So, telling from the explosion, i would say Sasuke would have been decapitated if the rasengan had connected.
His arm, either Lvl 2 or the results of automatic-kyuubi-chakra defense.

[Edit 1]
And think about it:
(a) Naruto got Sasuke's forehead
(b) Konoha (well, its forehead-protector) most likely saved Sasuke's life.
Should give him sth to thing about. Also, they don't losne their bond as far as I can interpret the image. Looks like Sasuke won the fight but lost the war (the "Naruto.... I have... " [lost??] by Sasuke fits in too).

[Ryllharu]

Ahh, a NBZ explosion ball!!!


In all seriousness, the Rasengan cut through the Konoha mark on Sasuke's forehead protector, that brings in a large parallel to Itachi, who also has the shamed/abandoned forehead protector, like, the ones we've seen anyway, any member of Akatsuki (or whatever its called).

That would probably be the most signifigant part of this chapter. It looks like this arc is finally about to end.




On a side note, despite the fact that this chapter had all of 5 lines of dialogue, shouldn't we wait until a translated version comes out before making these threads? I don't recall any raw threads before, but in the last two months or so, it's been getting really bad.

[Mut]

hah, i knew this would happen. take that all you "i know naruto is gonna kick sasuke's ass" fan boys.

YOU LOSE.

oh yeah, damn, kakashi got there real quick.

[Kurapica]

I can't say i'm not glad this has come to an ending. I liked the fact that Sasuke didn't own Naruto because his chidori was stronger, but just because Naruto didn't get a good hit.

[Berserk Ayato]

Damn, im glad it ended this way, that kicks ass.
Anyways im pretty sure Sasuke's arm is all f'd up now from the combination of using Lvl 2 for too long, and fo using the Chidori 3 times.

[basey44]

wow that was actually a pretty decent chapter, and sasuke didnt even have to strike out the leaf symbol on his forehead protector, he got naruto to do that for him

[Winged Dancer]

Well, you want me to translate?
How about I translate the only three lines Sasuke says? Actually, its two words:

"Naruto... I..." ::Barf::

And Kakashi! The one which speaks the most, and he says nothing. This is the first time I've seen a such a silent, philosophic-ly chapter. I kinda liked it, too.

My thoughts on it:

Naruto is basically just exhausted. Think of it this way - not only was he woken up at 5 in the morning (remember last year?), which can exhaust anyone, but he has been running all day long, was trapped inside Jiroubo's chakra-eating cage/molehill, fought against basically all the Sound guys for at least a few seconds, fought against Kimimaro and used stupid amounts of chakras in making a stupid amount of clones, and finally got to Sasuke and got engaged in one of the most repetitive fights ever, his body was kinda used by the Kyubi and even his hand lost sensibility because of way too much chakra.

So he's not dead.

Also, while Sasuke seems unscathed, he did throw up blood. A la Kabuto! And he bent and looked all angsty and above everything, he didnd't kill Naruto. He could have, too - Naruto just couldn't wake up anymore. But he didn't. Instead, we got a picture of the two of them, younger, holding er, fingers.
And he left Naruto alone.

What I see there is that Sasuke is not evil!Sasuke anymore. Sure, he'll go to Orochimaru, and he'll still want to kill Itachi, but he wont be the best-friend-killer moron we all loved for the last four chapters.

[?igma]

Ill wait for the translation before I add any comment ..all I want to say for now ..Damn that scan was small ._.

[RasenDori]

im glad it ended this way. i said it a million times before and i will say it again: naruto had to lose this fight. its over, but is naruto dead? does sasuke have the mangekyou? what happened to chouji and neji? these are the question we should all be asking. luckyly i feel the next weeks chapter will will those question.

[kAi]

well that was a great way to end it...very good..
seems sasuke is in a bit of trouble...
well naruto's promise is on hold...he didnt say WHEN he would bring him back...lolz

EDIT: I also say that when the translated version comes out...you post in here then the topic creator can put get from IRC or get from where ever..or a link.

[Winged Dancer]

Yeah, I agree. I mean, sure, my inner fangirl would've loved to see Naruto kicking Sasuke's ass, but I knew it had to end this way or then the whole last year would've been a waste of time.

Besides, I'm glad it ended. It means that in a week we'll start to wrap everything up and see what happened to Neji, Chouji, the Sand Nins, Rock Lee, etc, etc, AND Sakura's reaction, and when Sasuke gets to Orochimaru.
Yep, can't wait for the wrap up! And then the next arc! Finally!!


@?igma -> Believe me, the translation is close to not needed in this one. Kakashi's lines are something like
"This chakra... this is bad!!"
And then
"We have to hurry! This rain could wash the scent away!"
Pakkun - "There's no problem... with the amount of chakra being used, its easy to follow the trail."
And finally, once they get to Naruto,
"...so we were late, uh..."

And those are the big conversations. As I mentioned above, Sasuke says "Naruto... I..." before barfing blood.

[basey44]

yea really that was the best way to finish it, also wen i was reading it i had totally forgotten about sasuke wanting super sharingan(i know ts not called that but i cfb looking how to spell) maybe he realised he cant kill naruto like that because they are friends

[kAi]

yeah it seems kakashi missed all the other genins...well its good that this fight is now over.
yeah im really waiting to see what sakuras reaction is going to be and even the people of konoha...
will they be angry with sasuke? will they be angry with naruto? will sakura hate naruto? and what will her thoughts be towards sasuke?
and also see what has happened to the other genins that are on this mission.
well now we gotta wait another week. cant wait for inanes version. i want better quality.

[Raven]

Maybe it's just me, but it seemed like Sasuke thought he'd killed Naruto and was sorry about it, rather than not being able to bring himself to do it. That's probably how he'll get his Mange, because he's fooled into thinking Naruto's dead.

[Terracosmo]

I'm glad Sasuke won.

[HimizujinEternia]

This chapter has given me renewed faith in Kishimoto. I think this is one of the most emotional chapters he has ever done... I have never found myself enjoying silence so much. Excellent chapter. Now, to wait for the aftermath.

[JerV]

That was bull im so damn sick of Sasgay winning everything I agree that Naruto shouldnt have been able to stop him but id much more prefered Kabuto showing up and knocking naruto out

[Hotsuma]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
hah, i knew this would happen. take that all you "i know naruto is gonna kick sasuke's ass" fan boys.

YOU LOSE.

[Souryusen]

Not a bad ending to the fight. Naruto sucessfully hit Sucksgay's forehead protector which is all I've really wanted to see since the fight on the roof of the hospital.

They will fight again... and it'll be fantastic. No transformations (I'm hoping), just two equally skilled (hopefully by that point) ninjas of conflicting ideology struggling to come to a final understanding.

[Assertn]

Hotsuma
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[Knives122]

Really good chapter, the best fight so far(after I saw who one) Now we get to see Naruto come back and say sorry to all the people who he let down, and most of all we get what most of us wanted...a time jump(maybe but most likely)

[AlbinoFury]

nah i think the next bit is gonna be hospital, we will have something next issue then the one after that will start with naruto waking up in the hospital in between chouji and neji(who are both alive, or chouji is dead)

[Lefty]

Originally posted by: JerV
That was bull im so damn sick of Sasgay winning everything I agree that Naruto shouldnt have been able to stop him but id much more prefered Kabuto showing up and knocking naruto out
Shut up. If Naruto won then you would be complaining about how naruto was all super strong and unbeatable and we would never hear the end DBZ this and DBZ that. He had to lose if not to his greatest rival then who, Sakura? THink not It's going to be Sasuke(not sasgay, stop using it you sound like an eight year old). This has been the most emotional chapter in while and I loved it. Kishimoto had put some major thought into how to tatsefully end the arc.

[kAi]

but also as sasuke said...
i dont need my forehead protector coz you want lay a finger on my forehead....something along those lines...
and with the protector there luckily...he did get him on the forehead....heh i found that good.

[Ryllharu]

This chapter was really well done. There is basically no need to translate it at all. Most of what was said is conveyed through the panels better than it could be said in words. There are still some questions:

Does Sasuke think he killed Naruto? If not, is the intent of killing your best friend good enough to awaken the Mangekyou? Or will Sasuke do without it?

It's pretty clear though that Sasuke is NEVER going back to Konoha, at least at this time. Him dropping the slashed forehead protector is very symoblic.

[Assertn]

i guess it was ok for sasuke to win.....since then it will make the next time they battle all the more significant.

although it still fails to follow the moralistic implications that kishimoto likes to integrate into all the sagas thus far

[Uchiha.haz]

naruto is not dead lol, if he dies than the naruto anime is over daaah...
and HimizujinEternia, how do u read when u read this? it seems like ur making an anime in your head or something i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif i just watch the pictures fast and understand whats happening, nothing more.. any tips on how i can enjoy the manga more?

[HimizujinEternia]

That's actually what I do; I look at the pictures and imagine how it will look in the anime. The beams of light and the rain both remind me of Haku and Zabuza's death. I'm quite certain this scene will have either it's own new music or perhaps use similar music to the kind that was played in the ORochimaru/Sandaime fight. As for other ways to enjoy the manga more... reread the current arc every once in a while, and simply look for new things. You might come up with new ideas.

[JerV]

I never complained about the power upping AND I call Sasgay Sasgay cause I hate the bastard and the fact that he won on his own after all the BS hes said and done is a BIG disapointment the fact that you regard me as an 8 year old doesnt bother me a bit

[hornetmike]

Well, that was a great chapter. i haven't been able to post for a while cause of school and work. But yeah, i'm happy the way it ended. i had a feeling naruto would lose. he had to anyway. so now after we find out what has happened to the other guys. i guess we'll see the members of team 7 are going their seperate ways to start training with the sannins. though, we're still not sure about useless sakura. hopefully she won't be so useless for too long. man is she gonna throw a fit when she finds out that sasuke is gone. the crying and whining is just about to begin. but on the bright side, lee might have a chance with her now. maybe

[Hennyo]

ok i dont think you could reallly say sasuke won on that one if anything that was as draw as it gets in fight. First off i havent seen anyone say what obviously happened in that chapter. For one sasuke couldnt kill naruto if he wanted to and if he tried kakashi would have showed up. For one i know ive been there before when your really messed up like that you cant do anything sasuke could barly stand at that. In fact im wondering how he got away with the way it looks he fell to the ground at that last sceen . Then what happened with naruto is that the kyuubi went back and he passed out he really dosnt look hurt at all.[btw this happens like every time happens he uses the kyuubi a bunch] My guess he'll sleep a number of days and wake up without a sratch on him while sasuke on the other hand... Well with sasuke he has to use up his own body unlike naruto so he got pretty messed up from that battle but on the other hand the reason he was consious at the end of the fight cause the power was from his body. From the looks of it he'll pass out on oro doorstep. Well it was a really good chapter but dont go saying retarded things like "did naruto die or did sasuke think naruto was dead" or "sasuke pwned nartuo" cause there both filthy lies.


Oh and btw i cant wait to see the new arc in the manga and hope it has lots in store story wise, cause normall it seems in manga like this once something like this finshes the manga enters a high story section until the next fighting elimation section.

[RasenDori]

Originally posted by: Uchiha.haz
naruto is not dead lol, if he dies than the naruto anime is over daaah...
and HimizujinEternia, how do u read when u read this? it seems like ur making an anime in your head or something i just watch the pictures fast and understand whats happening, nothing more.. any tips on how i can enjoy the manga more?

you could read scott mcclouds understanding comics it analyses (sp?) some of the artisitic techneques and discribes the psychology of a comib book in complete detail. i must have for those that wish to make there own comics someday (like myself), and good general reading for those that enjoy comics books and want to have more understanding about them beyond looking at pretty pictures.

hey jerv, i dont understand whats up with you not liking the ending to this fight. it should have been obvious that sasuke would win. its simply apperent that you hate sasuke so much (proven by the fact that you wont grow up and use a lame homosexulaity joke thats not funny to anyone beyond the 8th grade) that you are willing to sacrifice good story telling. after reading the sub par chapters leading up to this conclusion i was nearly to the point that if naruto won this fight and wasted a good year of our lives, i would stop reading naruto.

[Gods_Son]

It'd be better if Naruto actually died.

[RasenDori]

i cant see naruto dying...first the series would have to be rename "sasuke" and there is still the unresolved issue of the akatsuki

[Hotsuma]

Originally posted by: RasenDori
i cant see naruto dying...first the series would have to be rename "sasuke" and there is still the unresolved issue of the akatsuki

I can see it working. Then Naruto would act as a martyr for the rest of the characters to do something extraordinary.

I'm a little confused about the Rasengan against Sasuke's forehead. Did it just nick his forehead, or did it actually connect? If it connected, shouldn't it have pierced Sasuke's head, instead of just cutting his protector like that? I was always under the impression that Rasengan was more like a bullet, as opposed to a blade.

Anyways... for this first time, in like a fucking month, we see some actual, REAL progress.Thank you Kishimoto. You're finally starting to get your game together. I'm glad Sasuke won this one, because it means we're that much closer to some closure with Oro.

On a flipside, though... Naruto *might* have won this fight, not physically, but more spiritually (for lack of better words). I think, with this, Sasuke might start to pull his head out of his ass, and realize what's really important. It's not entirely impossible (specially after that long silence) that Sasuke can see what's really important, and goes to deal with Oro one last time.

I see this as reminscient of the Kyoto arc in Rurouni Kenshin.

Sasuke = Aoshi = Angry guy who has revenge in mind and becomes "evil" because of it. Both lost a large part of their family, and eventually forsakes what little is left of it, to exact that revenge. Both are ninjas, and seen as geniuses too.

Naruto = Kenshin = Main character who goes from fight to fight, helping people redeem themselves. Wants to protect important people. Also has an unbeatable power (Kyuubi/ougi), a bad-ass master, and is generally friendly. Both also has no family.

Orochimaru = Shishio = Ultimate bad guy, who is at quite a disadvantage, but still strong. (Oro's is a second rate body, Shishio is his time limit) Both hate their own home banishing them. Manipulates weak minded people like Sasuke/Aoshi, to help them serve their purpose. Both also have their own respective domain, followers, and views.

Kabuto = Yumi (Haha) = Person at the side of said bad guy, and is his bitch.

Kimimaro = Soujirou = Number one pupil of said bad guy, and is seen as the chosen next generation. Greatly respects the bad guy, probably because both had a rough past, and the bad guy happened to be the first one to support them.

Sakura = Misao = Girl back at home, who sees the good in vengeful guy, and wants the good guy to bring him back in one piece.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Hennyo
ok i dont think you could reallly say sasuke won on that one if anything that was as draw as it gets in fight. First off i havent seen anyone say what obviously happened in that chapter. For one sasuke couldnt kill naruto if he wanted to and if he tried kakashi would have showed up. For one i know ive been there before when your really messed up like that you cant do anything sasuke could barly stand at that. In fact im wondering how he got away with the way it looks he fell to the ground at that last sceen . Then what happened with naruto is that the kyuubi went back and he passed out he really dosnt look hurt at all.[btw this happens like every time happens he uses the kyuubi a bunch] My guess he'll sleep a number of days and wake up without a sratch on him while sasuke on the other hand... Well with sasuke he has to use up his own body unlike naruto so he got pretty messed up from that battle but on the other hand the reason he was consious at the end of the fight cause the power was from his body. From the looks of it he'll pass out on oro doorstep. Well it was a really good chapter but dont go saying retarded things like "did naruto die or did sasuke think naruto was dead" or "sasuke pwned nartuo" cause there both filthy lies.


Oh and btw i cant wait to see the new arc in the manga and hope it has lots in store story wise, cause normall it seems in manga like this once something like this finshes the manga enters a high story section until the next fighting elimation section.
naruto got ko'd, and sasuke won. there is no other way of going about that. it can't be a draw cuz naruto was unconscious and sasuke wasn't.

damnit, i knew lvl 2 sasuke was gonna whoop super kyubi naruto's ass. I FUCKING KNEW IT. that just shows you how much power lvl 2 is able to give to someone like sasuke. not even the super kyubi chakra couldn't stop sasuke. god damn, sasuke is such a bigger badass now.

btw, naruto isn't and can't be dead for ANYONE that thinks otherwise.

[kAi]

that was really good hotsuma...
i can see it like that.
and with your question about the rasengan i think with sasuke hitting him in the chest/stomach, it mad him retract a bit and left the scratch...
think the tree when he was training, when jiraiya did it...(slowly) it scratches at the tree first then it shoots through...i think it only just got to scratch his forehead but didnt get to shoot through from the hit in the chest/stomach..

[?igma]

Originally posted by: Winged Dancer
Yeah, I agree. I mean, sure, my inner fangirl would've loved to see Naruto kicking Sasuke's ass, but I knew it had to end this way or then the whole last year would've been a waste of time.

Besides, I'm glad it ended. It means that in a week we'll start to wrap everything up and see what happened to Neji, Chouji, the Sand Nins, Rock Lee, etc, etc, AND Sakura's reaction, and when Sasuke gets to Orochimaru.
Yep, can't wait for the wrap up! And then the next arc! Finally!!


@?igma -> Believe me, the translation is close to not needed in this one. Kakashi's lines are something like
"This chakra... this is bad!!"
And then
"We have to hurry! This rain could wash the scent away!"
Pakkun - "There's no problem... with the amount of chakra being used, its easy to follow the trail."
And finally, once they get to Naruto,
"...so we were late, uh..."

And those are the big conversations. As I mentioned above, Sasuke says "Naruto... I..." before barfing blood.



What I kinda meant was, I want to see bigger scans =)

[onlyelliot]

anyone else notice the lack of resengan in naruto's hand? it seemed that there was just energy around his whole arm
same with sasuke no chidori but it is more obvious with naruto as there is no chakra ball in the palm of his hand

[onlyelliot]

i see naruto having a long recovery awaiting him from this fight both physicaly and mentaly i think that for the next several chaps everyone will be worried about naruto for a change and possibly, maybe while naruto is still unconcious and recovering in the hospital itachi and co. try to come steal him again, yet this time all of naruto's friends stand up to protect him. I think now would be a good time to show that several people finally acknowledge naruto's existance(his whole goal in life, or at least his first goal). Maybe this fact helps him get over his defeat with sasuke.

[kAi]

you should edit your posts not double post!!
nah i dont think physically it will take naruto long...never really has.

[Konohamaru]

eh sasuke won and he prolly thinks Naruto's dead when we all know form the past Naruto won't die so easily cos the kyubbi will most likely revive naruto after a short time resting. This being, Sasuke will prolly achieve the Sharingan that Itachi has now since he's beaten his "best" friend. I look forward to the translation and more so the next chapter!

[onlyelliot]

however the difference between this fight and all the others is how much kyuubi power naruto used i think that should make a big difference. In every other fight naruto might pass out from using all his chakra or all the chakra kyuubi lends him but in this one he might have actually used a considerable amount of the kyuubi's chakra. I dont think he was unconcious from injury but just from using all his chakra, and maybe he alowed himself to pass out because he did what he intended to do, scratch the forehead protector in order to make his point. Yeah he always said that he would take sasuke back by force but naruto isnt stupid enough not to know that sasuke has to want come back for anything to change.

and sorry about the double post i just thought they were seperate enough in topic to warrent seperate post but in the future ill try to conjuct

[Uzumaki Naruto]

good chapter, now all i gota do is wait for a translated version to come out so i can understand whast going on or what theyre saying

[Masamune]

Originally posted by: Uzumaki Naruto
good chapter, now all i gota do is wait for a translated version to come out so i can understand whast going on or what theyre saying

read winged dancer's post. =D the friendly neigbourhood translator

[Berserk Ayato]

Well the translation that i saw just had Sasuke said I.. before coughing up blood.

It would be interesting if it did say "I have lost" Becuase it would fit in.

A member on another forum, brought up the point, that Naruto missed on purpose, well actually he didnt miss what he was aiming for.

Earlier Sasuke told Naruto that he wouldnt even put a scratch on his forehead....However thats exaclty what naruto did do. Naruto didnt want to kill sasuke, just make a point.

[jing]

WHO CARES ABOUT NARUTO
SOMEONE GO HELP NEJI -__---"

[chet_chetty]

so i'm still not clear on what happened. naruto missed entirely? he nicked sasuke's forehead protector? i'm thinking the second. and if that's the case...a piece of metal stopped the rasengan? a piece of fucking metal? dont tell me it was an indirect hit. i understand that. people die because of indirect contact from bomb explosions.

i cant accept that a piece of metal gets only a scar in it from even the most minimal contact of the rasengan.


it cant be that he missed because the thought of defeat wouldnt have come across his mind at the end. ugh...this is unsettling.

[Hotsuma]

Originally posted by: chet_chetty
so i'm still not clear on what happened. naruto missed entirely? he nicked sasuke's forehead protector? i'm thinking the second. and if that's the case...a piece of metal stopped the rasengan? a piece of fucking metal? dont tell me it was an indirect hit. i understand that. people die because of indirect contact from bomb explosions.

i cant accept that a piece of metal gets only a scar in it from even the most minimal contact of the rasengan.


it cant be that he missed because the thought of defeat wouldnt have come across his mind at the end. ugh...this is unsettling.

That's what I'm saying. The very thought of some headband protecting your head against a technique that splits trees in half and punctures giant water towers is ridiculous. Rasengan is WAY more powerful than that.

However, I do agree about the "you can't touch my forehead.." tidbit. I think this will make Sasuke wake up, and realize what's up. Then, we might be able to see Lvl 2 Sasuke VS Oro.

[Ryllharu]

I think we might have missed an important set of facts.


1) Rasengan is super powerful, especially Uber-Kyuubi-Naruto-Super-Saiyan-Rasengan. Anyone who disagrees is an idiot.

2) The Rasengan can bust holes into water towers and cut through trees.

3) Naruto does not want to kill Sasuke.

Here's a thought: Naruto lost on purpose. He doesn't want to kill Sasuke, and the Rasengan would certainly tear the head off Sasuke's shoulders (even IF he was lvl 2 curse seal). Naruto himself moved the Rasengan to veer off of Sasuke's head. It nicked the protector, and then Naruto released it. Even a black Chidori couldn't divert a Rasengan that much.

[BahamutB]

I agree, Naruto had no reason to tear off Sasuke's head. Nicking the forehead protector was about as far as he could go. I'm sure that a non-fatal shot to his chest wouldn't have stopped Naruto's rasengan that abruptly. Maybe upon feeling sasuke's hit he also held back as well in the same instant.

Killing Sasuke would have been a worse consequence to the promise he made to sakura. Unfortunately he still has to go back on his words... for now.

I don't like to see Naruto lose, but an earlier post was right, he had to. I think Naruto will be stronger after this encounter and wiser as well. This story arc has set into motion that naruto needs to come to a better understanding of himself before he can advance further. As far as power he's got the edge, but I think he has to realize more about the kyuubi before he can really get stronger. And I'm sure hte next story arc will cover that somewhat.

I can't wait to see what is revealed about the 4th Hokage and the Kyuubi and how it ties into Naruto. The Kyuubi said they were similar, and I wonder how.

[kyubisrage]

Ya i agree naruto missed on purpose he only tried to get the forehead protector. Also I think that sasuke might not go to oro he might wander off and train by himself because he saw what happend with the curse seal and he will soon return maybe in a time jump. But in the present I think kakashi will assemble a team to find sasuke but they can't while they are looking for sasuke naruto is off training with jiraiya maybe sakura can train with tsunade wow what a worthless character. lol Neji and chouji are prob alive. I dont think neji will die because naruto said when he becomes hokage he will change the hyuga clan. But maybe neji will die and naruto will still do it for him as a farewell present. Sasuke didnt want to kill naruto either after he saw naruto knocked out.

[DeathscytheVII]

My guess is that the gennin will all return to Konoha temporarily.

Hopefully sakura will redeem herself as a character by thanking Naruto (for once) for risking his neck for her (and her promise)

[Hotsuma]

Naruto would've went after Sasuke, even if Sakura didn't ask him to.

[Mr.X]

why would naruto even use rasengan in the first place then? plus, i thought naruto was somewhat under the control of kyubi.

[basey44]

no naruto was in control sort of, him and kyubi were kind of melded together like they always are when he releases that much chakra, by that i mean he sort of went bezerk but it did seem he had more control than usual, apart from neji fight cos he was in total control then

[just[x]]

i think naruto and sasuki are too exhaust to fight. i think sasuki might lose the arm since i see blood coming out of sasuki's arm. dont think any of them have any chikra left to fight so its a tie. maybe sasuki left because he might of notice kakashi coming

[Mut]

you idiots. it's not a draw. how the hellcan it be a draw when one is standing and the other is one the ground UNCONSCIOUS???

sasuke kicked naruto's ass. fucking face it. naruto ass kissers.

[Hotsuma]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
sasuke kicked naruto's ass. fucking face it. naruto ass kissers.

That'll never happen. Should Sasuke completely manhandle Naruto, Gotwoot will STILL say that Naruto won. (or had a tie)

I'm glad Sasuke won this fight. It shuts all the Kyuubi fans up.

[Noonan]

Actually - re-reading the chapter doesn't it look like they BOTH pulled their attacks?

Sasuke's hit should have blown Naruto's liver into the water Country.

Narutos Hit should have qualified sasuke for the sequel to sleepy hollow.

Instead Naruto is KO and Sasuke has a scratch on his armor.

I think the frame with them doing the finger promise thing was supposed to be both of them realizing that they couldn't kill each other - in the end they were friends, not enemies, even if Sasuke is still leaving the leaf to persue his goals.

[Stoopider]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
sasuke kicked naruto's ass. fucking face it. naruto ass kissers.

Can't agree with you there Mut@t@ i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif . Naruto got Sasuke's head. I think he pulled back thats why it just melted his forehead protecter.

Either the forehead protector is made of some super solid adamantium stuff, or Naruto held back his attack.

Sasuke can kill Naruto willingly, but I don't think Naruto can do the same to Sasuke.

If not, Sasuke's brains would be all over the floor if you ask me. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Hotsuma]

I think both attacks did connect, somewhere along the lines. I mean, the explosion was hella big. Maybe Sasuke's level 2 form is simply THAT strong.

That or the Kyuubi Rasengan ain't all that. heh.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Noonan
Actually - re-reading the chapter doesn't it look like they BOTH pulled their attacks?

Sasuke's hit should have blown Naruto's liver into the water Country.

Narutos Hit should have qualified sasuke for the sequel to sleepy hollow.

Instead Naruto is KO and Sasuke has a scratch on his armor.

I think the frame with them doing the finger promise thing was supposed to be both of them realizing that they couldn't kill each other - in the end they were friends, not enemies, even if Sasuke is still leaving the leaf to persue his goals.

if you notice just before sasuke's chidori makes contact, he closes his fist.....Normally chidori would go straight through the person's body, but this time it didnt even tear through the clothes. Obviously, sasuke softened the blow because he couldnt bring himself to kill naruto.

However, since it was a direct hit on naruto's heart, this is why naruto lost the kyubi mode and went unconscious

[VertigO]

Ok just remember... this is the same kyuubi that tore up a whole village full of the best ninja. not just 1 little boy with a super power. so imo... I think kyuubi woulda tore sasuke a new set of lips, hence Naruto still being in control and pulling back and purposely "just" scratching the protector. sasuke will have a flashback of this moment, knowing... Naruto could have killed him, but didnt.

[martintopsecret]

The Pinky swear/Finger Promise was a tad bit TOO poetic, unless they both pulled their punches.

I like Noonan's take.

Normal Rasengan couldn't leave JUST a scratch...let alone Super Kyubi Rasengan.

Same for Chidori...LVL 2 Black Lightning Chidori gut shot = Naruto sauce

Not the case as we can see.

[Y]

Sasuke was aiming for the kill and Naruto was aiming for Sasuke's forehead. How is this all of a sudden "SASUKE RAPED NARUTO LAFFSAUCE!!!ONE"

[Uchiha Kakure]

I keep hearing how Naruto hed back, how a Kyuubi Powered Rasengan would "rip Sasuke's head off." However, realize that Sasuke did NOT kill Naruto. Its not that he cannot, he DID not. Remember, the Chidori is not some bs move. its is also an extremely powerful attack. It punches holes in just about everything, whether it be rock wall and people. I refuse to believe that a jacket could stop a LV2 curse seal Sasuke chidori, which is especially designed to pierce stuff.

[fremeer]

naruto lost the fight in terms of TKO. since one is on the ground the other isnt.
however both wouldve died if they connected their hits.

this means that both pulled their hits and niether won in truth. however i still think it would have been a different matter if naruto was 100%. more even fight i would think, both probably would have knocked each other out aka gaara vs naruto.

btw according to anime naruto will only have to wait one day to be fully healed i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[RiCeCrAcKa69]

OK now this is gettin ridiculous.. lemme go over this Sh1t....

1. Jiryia, kakashi stated that rasegan was stronger than chirdori. i mean hell it was created by the 4th hokage. It was even shown stronger than chirdori in that one chapter where chirdori hit the water tank and rasegan did.. big difference.. THERE IS NO WAY THAT BULLSH1T COULD COMPETE WITH RASEGAN.. i mean it was made by a anbu , kakashi, which couldnt even compete with the 4th hokage.

2. how the hell does a stupid lil boy that can only think over revenge compete with a demon. i mean seriously the 9 tails destroyed hella sh1t in the leaf village..no one could whoop that things as$ accept for the 4th hokage.. but.. no.. u got this lil reject child of a kid competeing with it with a 2nd lvl seal. yea right his power is bein way over-exagerated..

3.the battle is bein over-exagerated.. these kids are gennins.. there not even chunnins or jounins. and they got chakra lvls of hokages.. i mean shit if naruto were to fight the 3rd hokage with that much power way back in the chapters... u would most definently would think he would whoop his a$s if u analyze that sh1t. they shouldnt be that strong.

4. i mean holy sh1t 6 chapters of them figthing and 34534634763 chapters of them talkin... and it ends with this shit.. hell naw that man sasuke needs to die.. he is seriously prolonging this story...

5. juss because sasuke got this lvl 2 seal dont mean he on the same lvl as one of the most powerful demons in that world, that only the 4th hokage could beat.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: RiCeCrAcKa69
OK now this is gettin ridiculous.. lemme go over this Sh1t....

1. Jiryia, kakashi stated that rasegan was stronger than chirdori. i mean hell it was created by the 4th hokage. It was even shown stronger than chirdori in that one chapter where chirdori hit the water tank and rasegan did.. big difference.. THERE IS NO WAY THAT BULLSH1T COULD COMPETE WITH RASEGAN.. i mean it was made by a anbu , kakashi, which couldnt even compete with the 4th hokage.

for the 124th time.......
a killing move is a killing move

a person running at you with a rasengan can still be killed by a kunai......it doesnt matter.
It's moreso the fact that sasuke dodged the rasengan, and landed the chidori

[Zorlac]

And I'm sure the rasengan was made for parlor games. I mean, it's just so pretty! Also, I belive the reason the chidoi didn't get a blow was becuase of the chakra surronding Naruto's body.

[RiCeCrAcKa69]

id ont mean that it cant be countered i mean the fact that both chirdori and rasegan connected.. rasegan should automatically ovepowered chirdori because
1. its a more powerful jitsu
2. demon chakra > 2nd lvl seal

[Assertn]

no......
if a person with a kunai connected at the same time as a person with rasengan, then it doesnt matter which is stronger.....
edit: correction, it doesnt matter unless the person has crazy healing like naruto or kabuto. But regardless, a direct blow to the heart, naruto's source of kyubi chakra, can still knock him out of it

and apparently 2nd lvl seal isnt < demon chakra if naruto failed to do anything whatsoever against sasuke in that form

[Zorlac]

You're basicly saying it just matters who hit first, right? I was under the impression that they hit each other at the same time. Although I find it absurd that sasukes level 2 seal is just all that uber and can even stack up to Naruto like that. And here I thought the other sound people went to level 2 and/or 3 and they still got their ass handed to them by people that we know are weaker then Naruto. But then again, none of them went Super Sayajin...

[Edit]
Oh and yes, That even if the kunai connected first, the rasengan would still do more damage. Mostly becuase that a pointly object requires enterting the skin a considerible distance and pericing something vital to life, like, a brain, for instant death. Rasengan can still reach high damage with low surface area contact as shown when Naruto beat the crap out of that water tower.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: VertigO
Ok just remember... this is the same kyuubi that tore up a whole village full of the best ninja. not just 1 little boy with a super power. so imo... I think kyuubi woulda tore sasuke a new set of lips, hence Naruto still being in control and pulling back and purposely "just" scratching the protector. sasuke will have a flashback of this moment, knowing... Naruto could have killed him, but didnt.
no, this isn't the same kyubi that tore up konoha, this is just a very tiny version of it cuz naruto can't use all of the kyubi's chakra.



Originally posted by: fremeer
naruto lost the fight in terms of TKO. since one is on the ground the other isnt.
however both wouldve died if they connected their hits.
thanks, captain no shit.



this means that both pulled their hits and niether won in truth. however i still think it would have been a different matter if naruto was 100%. more even fight i would think, both probably would have knocked each other out aka gaara vs naruto.
it's not like sasuke was at 100%. not only did sasuke 'die,' his body wasn't even at 100% either from developing to lvl 2. sasuke was definitely in worse shape than naruto because naruto has infinite chakra.



Originally posted by: RiCeCrAcKa69
OK now this is gettin ridiculous.. lemme go over this Sh1t....

1. Jiryia, kakashi stated that rasegan was stronger than chirdori. i mean hell it was created by the 4th hokage. It was even shown stronger than chirdori in that one chapter where chirdori hit the water tank and rasegan did.. big difference.. THERE IS NO WAY THAT BULLSH1T COULD COMPETE WITH RASEGAN.. i mean it was made by a anbu , kakashi, which couldnt even compete with the 4th hokage.
you're just not thinking this through. i'm sure the rasengan is more powerful than chidori when it's fully mastered. i can hardly believe that naruto's rasengan is mastered. that's probably the main reason why i think sasuke's chidori can whoop naruto's rasengan.



2. how the hell does a stupid lil boy that can only think over revenge compete with a demon. i mean seriously the 9 tails destroyed hella sh1t in the leaf village..no one could whoop that things as$ accept for the 4th hokage.. but.. no.. u got this lil reject child of a kid competeing with it with a 2nd lvl seal. yea right his power is bein way over-exagerated..
no, it's actually not. naruto obviously can't even use a good amount of kyubi chakra. like i said before, the kyubi that attacked konoha is way different than the kyubi released from within naruto.



5. juss because sasuke got this lvl 2 seal dont mean he on the same lvl as one of the most powerful demons in that world, that only the 4th hokage could beat.
like i said before, the kyubi that attacked konoha isn't the same kyubi that can be partially released from naruto. OK???



Originally posted by: RiCeCrAcKa69
id ont mean that it cant be countered i mean the fact that both chirdori and rasegan connected.. rasegan should automatically ovepowered chirdori because
1. its a more powerful jitsu
2. demon chakra > 2nd lvl seal
read what i said above.

[Zorlac]

Do you think that a gennin even holds a fraction of the 1000+ year old demon's power? I still think that the Naruto is stronger even if Naruto could not yet yield the power completely.

[edit]
grammar errors fixed.. it's late...ish...

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Zorlac
Do you think that a gennin even holds a fraction of the 1000+ year old demon's power? I still think that the demon is stronger even if it is possible that Naruto could not yield the power completely.
well, you're obviously thinking wrong cuz sasuke beat narut in a fight. why refuse to believe the truth and fact when it's right in front of you?

and yeah, i believe a genin has more power than however much kyubi naruto can release. we just saw a perfect example of it. but don't just call sasuke any genin, he's suppose to have more potential than itachi and we all know itachi can whoop anyone's ass.

[Zorlac]

Ah, you have a point, but I'm pissed at kisimoto for doing that crap. roar. I won't argue any more, but i'm peeved enough not to edit this week. Expect a later release.

[chet_chetty]

Originally posted by: Zorlac
Rasengan can still reach high damage with low surface area contact as shown when Naruto beat the crap out of that water tower.


Some of us would like to think that's true but that's definitely not the case in this chapter. i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif it just seems so inconsistent (when u think about what happened at the hospital) and illogical. I'm not sad that Naruto lost. I agree that it complicates things and sets up better storylines. Plus it was unpredictable; something we havent gotten in a while. Plus mad people thought Kakashi would get there in time and just swipe the two away like at the hospital. The fact that it didnt happen is fine. I just cant accept the validity of those sequence of actions when and after each attack made its contact. It's just not plausible.

Even if we were to say that the level 2 seal protected Sasuke, that piece of metal should have been obliterated.

And on a side note. Either one of two reasons could explain why Sasuke didnt kill Naruto when he was unconscious. One, he was too weak to do anything following the attacks making contact. Or two, he already thought Naruto to be dead. His only possible acceptance of defeat was Naruto hitting Sasuke's forehead protector.

[Uchiha.haz]

there is just so much sasuke could have done in this fight that he have done in other fights, which he didnt.. for instance: why didnt he use rock lee speed? and few chapters ago he could predict narutos movements, why didnt he do that in the final chi vs rasen? he just attacked straight again like a fool (naruto style). sometimes chapters like this upsets me because its a life and death situation, and anyone would have used their best teqniques to the fullest 100%. naruto went 100% he has nothing more than rasengan and that kyubii chakra, and shadow rep. which he didnt use. but sasuke has so much more he could have used, example his brain! one chapter he is a genius and one chapter he is as dumb as naruto.. i dont get it i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

[DeluxSkillz]

uhmmmm did it ever occur to you that their chakra was almost completly drained at the end it's just like in the hokage vs oro fight, hokage using kage bunshin would be a waste of chakra same goes for naruto in this case, and sasuke was smart enough to shield himself with his wing and about the rock lee speed who says hew asn;t using rock lee speed? did you see that one page where naruto moved so fast he was like a blur, because sasuke had the same speed as lee he could keep up with the fast movements it's just like lee said you need speed when using the sharingan cuz you can see it but if you don't have the speed you'll be crushed like a bug so sasuke was using lee's speed all the time while naruto was using his kyuubi accelerated speed

[Eurasian]

just read it. amazing...a little disappointing...but i think it's for the best if it ended like this.

i stopped reading after ppl r like naruto is stronger and so on. even tho i thought naruto was stronger than sasuke, this chp just proved that wrong...i was disappointed i have to say. i was hoping for naruto to kick sasuke's ass, but it ended up to be the other way around.

and STILL!! kakashi didn't make it in time....

[Ryllharu]

I think that people who say both didn't go all out are right, Rasengan should have taken Sasuke's head off, but Naruto veered it off. Chidori is an open fist attack, because that is how it cuts. Sasuke punched Naruto, so he didn't go all out either.

This chapter was the only way, and the best executed, way to end this arc. It redeemed the last couple months of this arc. Naruto had to lose and Sasuke couldn't "win" by killing Naruto.

After looking at it carefully a few times, this was the best chapter in the last two months.

[basey44]

ya for sure, best ever(well maybe not lol)

[winstonn]

Although the recent discussion is on Sasuke and Naruto and who won and stuffs..
but heck we all got to admit it's one hell of a chapter..

however instead of discussing on whether Sasuke or Naruto won.. i was wondering what do you guys think of how Kakashi would react.. or rather how would Kyubi react to naruto's outcome in this match.. I mean this fight is probably one of the first time that Kyubi actually even communicated with Naruto in battle besides the time when he summoned Gamabunta ( the giant frog )... but still what do you guys think the aftermath will be like?

coz i believe afterall the discussion over who owns who whether naruto > sasuke or sasuke < naruto is getting abit stale..

[Alu]

In the area of sheer power, Rasengan is way more powerful than Chidori. The techniques do not mix however. I will give the general idea as with what happened the first time. The Chidori is being the straight thrust that it is went directly into Rasengan, which is a swirling concentrated chakra. The lightning is Sasukes chakra. With Sasukes chakra he further compressed the Rasengan and interfered with the swirling to cause it to become a critical mass of chakra. The explosion the occured was actually the Rasengan blowing up in Narutos and Sasukes face.

What happened the next time was them not going for direct hits. Also with them holding back we dont know who wouldve really won. Naruto proved his point in scratching Sasukes forehead protecter, which he said he couldnt. Sasuke probably didnt feel as if he won the fight afterwards and let Naruto go. Then again it mightve just been good will. The vomiting up blood was probably the Rasengans doing, but who knows, it mightve been the cursed seals doing.

[basey44]

more information needed

aw i cant wait that long i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif

[Uchiha Kakure]

About the rasengan chidori argument. An example of each being used on a person. Chidori, pierced through Haku, pierced through Gaaras defense, pierced through Gaara. Conclusion? Chidori is ment to pierce.
However it didnt pierce through Naruto.
Rasengan, a chakra bullet that does NOT pierce but burn rips and basically blows up its target. Cuts holes through trees and rocks, BUT badly cuts and burns Kabuto. Conclusion? The Rasengan should not nick sasukes head band unless it was part of the wind.


However also notice that niether of their attackes were in there origional forms. Both other attacks cancelled each others out into pure chakra, a chakra that they seemed to share on page 2 (58). I think that both attacks were toned down by the others thus the reason why Naruto's torso is intack, and Sasuke still has a head.

Last note, what happened to Sasukes headband that feel of. Did he pick it up, or leave it?

[basey44]

chidoried haku, what r u on? gaara was the first person he used it on

lol but rest of ur stuff seems pretty sound

[Uchiha Kakure]

I was refering to the move itself. Kakashi's chidori, while stronger still holds the pierceing priciple. And the chidori is the easier technique to master, which Sasuke has done.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Zorlac
You're basicly saying it just matters who hit first, right? I was under the impression that they hit each other at the same time. Although I find it absurd that sasukes level 2 seal is just all that uber and can even stack up to Naruto like that. And here I thought the other sound people went to level 2 and/or 3 and they still got their ass handed to them by people that we know are weaker then Naruto. But then again, none of them went Super Sayajin...

[Edit]
Oh and yes, That even if the kunai connected first, the rasengan would still do more damage. Mostly becuase that a pointly object requires enterting the skin a considerible distance and pericing something vital to life, like, a brain, for instant death. Rasengan can still reach high damage with low surface area contact as shown when Naruto beat the crap out of that water tower.

just watch naruto first attempt the rasengan against kabuto for an example of my point. If the move doesnt reach its destination, then it doesnt matter how powerful the move is. And it doesnt take an equally powerful move to prevent it from reaching its destination

[kaigan]

it's bound to happened. if sasuke lost, the whole arc is a waste and most people will be piss off.

[xtort]

We've had no indication that resengan or chidori are techniques that you "get more powerful at". As far as can be told in this story, once you gain the ability to use them, it's like using a knife. You get better at how you cut with it, you get better with how fast you can pull it out, but the knife does not get any sharper with use.

I'm dying here waiting for the sub to come and explicate a little better. Next week's should be amazing also. Both of their attacks changed. It seems like their attacks bumped off each other and became something else, but I'm assuming that both of them ... couldn't kill each other. The nicked headband is a great homage to Itachi, their past fight where Sasuke said that Naruto couldn't land a punch so he wouldn't need a headband, and has some good resonance with Naruto's previous fight with Tsunade.

Gotta love the angst on this board. It's pretty comical.



Originally posted by: Y The Alien
Sasuke was aiming for the kill and Naruto was aiming for Sasuke's forehead. How is this all of a sudden "SASUKE RAPED NARUTO LAFFSAUCE!!!ONE"

That is hilarious. You needed to misspell one of their names though. LIKE OFMG SAUKES RAPED NARUTO LOLZRO!!!1 Then you'd be hitting the key of several of our board members. GJ on making me laugh.

-xtortout

[onlyelliot]

ive read three different translations (of what little there is to translate) and sasuke couldnt peirce the kyuubi chakra. While his hand is striking naruto's body he says something like "this chakra!!! this is bad!!!" and then naruto makes contact with sasuke's forehead. sasuke didt pull his attack he tried but couldnt overpower the kyuubi. I think naruto definately did do exactly what he intended and that was to prove sasuke's comment about never damaging his forehead wrong. This is necessary because it never would have worked if sasuke was forced to come back because he still would desire power to defeat itachi. This way naruto makes a psychological impact on sasuke which over time has the potential to make him see his mistakes and come back.

Naruto didnt pass out from injury at all as sasuke never even made contact (just look at naruto's clothes) he just passed out because he had accomplished his objective and was exhausted from extinsive chakra use. He passed out for the same reason he did in the gaara fight. Also there is no way naruto passed out from sasuke's attack because they were both standing looking at each other after the explosion
check out p. 7 if you dont believe me

p.s. if you are tired of waiting for Inanae check it out here: http://www.udanstraight.com/article.php?story=20041001125736197

[Knives122]

So what your basically saying is that after Naruto made his point by scratching the forehead protecter, he "powered down" and then passed out, probably knowing that sasuke couldnt kill him(mostly b/c he couldnt and b/c of the injury from the lvl. 2 seal), so yes that did leave psychological impact on him and maybe a egotistical one as well(sasuke was boasting about how he would win w/out a scrath on his protector, and then what do you know he got one *ego lowered*)

[Mut]

i don't get some of you guys. you guys are still clinging on to the idea that naruto accomplished something or won the fight.

the 'you won't put a scratch on the forehead' phrase pretty much lost its meaning after sasuke got hit like 20 times. naruto already proved that he can put more than scratch on sasuke's forehead (not to be taken literally). the mark on the forehead protector looks more like a symbolism for sasuke turning into a missing nin just like his brother.

and naruto didn't accomplish any objective. his ONLY goal was to bring sasuke back, which he failed. also, as for the parts where it says "this chakra." and "this is bad!"... i don't think sasuke said both lines. i thought naruto was the one to say "this chakra." but then again, i guess it would make more sense for sasuke to say it.

[PossiblE]

also, as for the parts where it says "this chakra." and "this is bad!"... i don't think sasuke said both lines
I'm pretty sure Kakashi said those.

[originalkrn]

i thought the chapter was amazing. im so very very glad that it didnt end up in a tie like the last chidori vs rasengan moves. At least one of them is KOed (even though it was unexpected for me it being naruto). It does seem like both of them held back, unless their chakra was so amazing that it was able to withstand any visible wounds on either. The only scratch either of them recieved was sasuke's forehead protector. I am now just waiting for the next Manga episode. INANE chapter is out and you can get it at narutofan.com if no one mentioned it. well, at the end it says there is a "Shock announement" and im wondering what it could be. the end? hehe

[Mr.X]

wow the extras in the inane chapter were excellent.

[Death BOO Z]

is it just me or that inane's quality this time was lower than usually? espically with the big ball of chackra,,, the colors were so dull, don't ya think?

anyway, shocking anouncement? won't suprise me if next chapter will come under the name of 'Sasuke'...

[AlbinoFury]

colors? its black and white and shades of grey

oh and i noticed the place where sasuke hit naruto was right where that tsunade necklace usually dangles, maybe itll save him somehow, regardless i highly doubt hes dead.

[Sidnne]

Shocking Announcement?

I had begun to get this gut feeling ever since Kishimoto took that first week off to "Gather Data". It made me wonder if Kishi was getting bored or tired of doing this. After that I started to pay closer attention to the details and the direction that the story was going. It was also around that time that people started to complain about certain things such as lack of story progression, fights drawn out, accusations that Kishi is running out of ideas, and a fierce increase in the arguments about the "DBZishness".

With each chapter since his first data gathering break, I began to wonder more and more how much longer Kishimoto would continue with the manga. And now, with Naruto lying on the ground and a shocking announcement to boot... It's not hard to wonder if Naruto really is dead and this is the end of the series.

Now, I HIGHLY doubt that Naruto is dead or that this is the end of the series. But, it is very easy to think that and I know its the first thing that crossed many people's minds when they read that.

IF this is the end of the series, "Naruto" would have gone from potentially one of the greatest manga/animes ever, to one of the biggest busts ever.

What could this shocking announcement be? I guess Kishi just likes to keep us in suspense. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and itching for 234.

[bumbo]

maybe the shocking annoucemnt is the... time jump ??? (2 or 3 years)

however, i think (even if we see it in the form of flashback) naruto will be in a bad mood for a while, but in a very angry way, training like lee every day until he collapses, because the next time he will meet sasuke, i won't failed.

my 2cents....

regards.

[Gods_Son]

Originally posted by: Sidnne
Shocking Announcement?

I had begun to get this gut feeling ever since Kishimoto took that first week off to "Gather Data". It made me wonder if Kishi was getting bored or tired of doing this. After that I started to pay closer attention to the details and the direction that the story was going. It was also around that time that people started to complain about certain things such as lack of story progression, fights drawn out, accusations that Kishi is running out of ideas, and a fierce increase in the arguments about the "DBZishness".

With each chapter since his first data gathering break, I began to wonder more and more how much longer Kishimoto would continue with the manga. And now, with Naruto lying on the ground and a shocking announcement to boot... It's not hard to wonder if Naruto really is dead and this is the end of the series.

Now, I HIGHLY doubt that Naruto is dead or that this is the end of the series. But, it is very easy to think that and I know its the first thing that crossed many people's minds when they read that.

IF this is the end of the series, "Naruto" would have gone from potentially one of the greatest manga/animes ever, to one of the biggest busts ever.

What could this shocking announcement be? I guess Kishi just likes to keep us in suspense. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and itching for 234.

Thanks for sharing this shocking announcement with us. Good call, I'm totally in suspense....not at all.

[AlbinoFury]

oh plus im not totally convinced the chidori and rasengan connected at all it looked like when they connected they kinda canceled each other out causing that bigass explosion and in turn they just hit each other with lotsa chakra, on the connection shots you see no spinning ball of chakra or black lighting just chakra covered hands.

[Elessar]

Shock announcement.... shock announcement...
Personally, what I would like were if due to Naruto's loss kyuubi refuses to give him chakra any longer. Then Naruto had to learn new jutus (not just one normal [k.bunshin] and one finisher [rasengan]), behave like a ninja and get some tactical skills. Stopping the pranks/shouts and start becoming a real ninja who takes his buisness serious. Then we would see how good he really is plus it would get interesting again. A total restart from near scratch.

Trained by Kakashi (anti chidori lessons), Jiraiya (general training) and Gai (anti sharingan). As Kakashi said, Sasuke won't gain anything from the curse seal and around ep 330 they will meet again. After that kyuubi will acknowledge him for beating Sasuke and he will get chakra once again.
As a result we would have Naruto as, well, personally, I wanted him to be from day 1.

On the other hand, maybe he just gets some clothes that do not burn your eyes out of your skull.

[Edit]
Even better 'shock': Kakashi is Naruto's father i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[LobsterMagnet]

Something tells me that the next time Naruto and Sasuke meet they will each be mounted a top of Gamabunta and Mando.

Also, wouldn't it be cool if Kishimoto splits the manga into two independent series with one following Sasuke and another following Naruto? No chance of it happening but it would be cool.

[Lefty]

I doubt Kishimoto will end he sereis or do a time jump next chapter. if he does it's going to one long ass flash back to fill everything in. He might be anouncing that he will no longer be doing the sereis him self but handing it off to his assistances and taking a long over due hiadus for like a year then come back when he feels ready or they run out of story. who knows we'll find out next week.

[chidori24]

I think what is meant by the shocking announcement is that someone will announce to the village that sasuke could not be retrieved and has gone his own way (orochimaru? i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif ). So then the whole village will mark sasuke as a missing nin or something like that....i don't know about the time jump....but that would be interesting...i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif

[L8r]

what if the shocking announcement is that the manga and anime are takeing diffrent paths?..... that would suck....

great chp btw

[Naruto_Ramen]

Mut@t@ are you a naruto hater, seems like you really have it out for him. chill bro, hes only a anime character, hes not real. and i know it might be annoying that a lot people tend to be kissing naruto's ass but the show is called "Naruto" isn't it? not "Sauske"

[Hotsuma]

Naruto is outcold. He's NOT DEAD. The series will continue on, like it did any chapter. To whatever is coming up.

[onlyelliot]

yeah i was wrong about the this "this chakra...." quotes kakashi did say that not sasuke
but still naruto was standing after the blast and looking straight at sasukek and he didnt have his clothes torn where the sasuke's hand made contact

also i dont think that the chidori and resengan where still active i think that they collided and created that huge ball of energy that they are in the middle of and then they where just atacked with normal attacks in the close up scenes

[XwingRob]

Well, I think its obvious that Sasuke is not coming back to the village anymore(the whole slash through the headband thingy). Now... will Kakashi take Sasuke and both become wandering ninjas?

[Raven]

Kakashi will help/pick up Naruto won't he? Isn't he there now?

[Lefty]

I think kakashi will help Naruto by taking him back to the village and then leave to pursue Sasuke adn keep an eye on him and his movements and report back occsionaly.

[Terracosmo]

I never thought I'd say this but I must agree with Gods_Son. There is no suspense in my mind regarding Naruto's fate. He's not dead. The series is not over. I think you guys are truly overdramatic if you really think so. Man, I don't even understand why all of you thought Naruto would win. It was bloody obvious from the end that Sasuke would leave permanently. God...

[basey44]

yay a smart person

[Sears]

Has the thought that this fight was most likely a draw? We never see Sasuke never walk away. The last frame we see him his eyes are half-way closed and sasuke vomiting blood and holding his arm makes me more convinced that he also fell down. You can see his knees on the ground on the next frame. Thats why I think he collapsed and that its a draw. The only thing that says other wise is the the frame with naruto's body where you can't see sasuke.

[Hotsuma]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Man, I don't even understand why all of you thought Naruto would win.

Because Naruto was in Kyuubi mode.

A big "I told you so." BTW

[Assertn]

settle down guys......predicting the outcome was a 50/50 shot afterall i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[Stoopider]

Why Naruto Lost to Sasuke??

FACT: Sasuke is taller than Naruto. Hence his hand length is longer than Naruto's. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

Btw.. What did Sasuke wanted to say to Naruto, before he took off, that he crouched over?

"Naruto, I......"

[Mr.X]

"Naruto, I...love you."

[kyubisrage]

Naruto i am sorry or naruto i lost or naruto i must leave lol there isnt so many combos u can do and no it isnt naruto i am gay or naruto i love you. I think its naruto i am sorry or naruto i lost.

[Assertn]

so wait.....the standing sasuke says "naruto i lost" to the comatose body of naruto?

[Y]

Yes.

In case you didn't notice, if Naruto had felt like doing so the Rasengan can do a bit more than scratch Sasuke's forhead protector.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Y The Alien
Yes.

In case you didn't notice, if Naruto had felt like doing so the Rasengan can do a bit more than scratch Sasuke's forhead protector.

of course......the level 2 kyubi form and super concentrated rasengan was all part of an elaborate plan to cross out the konoha in sasuke's forehead protector

[Hotsuma]

Let's just say it wasn't a very good rasengan.

[mage]

The way I see it, either Sasuke's hit to the heart or Naruto just being exhausted caused the rasengan to disperse and a bit of chakra flew off slicing the forhead protector. There was no actual contact. Of course, Naruto could have been aiming to hit only the forhead protector, or maybe he just didn't want to kill Sasuke. It has NOTHING to do with chidori being stronger than the rasengan, got it?

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

I think that Sasuke's wing blocked the Rasengan from doing any direct damage, but if it hit Sasuke's forehead protector than his head would explode or something like the container did right?

[mage]

Dude, did you just read what I said?

[onlyelliot]

sasuke didnt use his wing to blcok anything just look at the last page of chap 232 it actually shows their two moves colliding so actually the moves canceled each other out just like they did the first time
after the initial collision of the moves, they were still attacking each other in the middle of the resulting maelstrom of chakra and that is what we got to see in this chap
naruto didnt still have his resengan and sasuke didnt still have his chidori they bothe had already been spent

just reread the chapter what was actualy happening between naruto and sasuke wasnt resengan vs. chidori but the huge chakra ball that they were in the middle of was thir two moves struggling against each other
the resengan didnt make the gash on the forehead protector, naruto kyuubi clawed it if it was the resengan then as many of you have stated sasuke wouldve been decapitated
sasuke just punched naruto in the chest if he had used the chidori then naruto's clothes wouldnt still be intact

and let me point out one more time that naruto was still standing and glaring at sasuke after the attacks had finished p.7

[Mut]

Originally posted by: onlyelliot
and let me point out one more time that naruto was still standing and glaring at sasuke after the attacks had finished p.7
which means nothing cuz in the rest of the pages, naruto is on the ground KO'd and sasuk is standing.

EDIT:



Originally posted by: onlyelliot
what it means is that naruto did not merely pass out because he was overwhelmed my sasuke's attack
it means that naruto did in fact take the attack and handle it and seeing how naruto has been able to keep himself concious at the end of the gaara fight when he couldnt even walk because he was so weak i dont think that it is unreasonable to assume that if he could still stand then he could still stay awake if it was his will
you didn't use one single period or a comma in that entire post. and i still don't know what the hell you are talking about. don't compare this fight with the one gaara. in the gaara fight, they tied. but in this one, naruto lost and sasuke won.

[onlyelliot]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
which means nothing cuz in the rest of the pages, naruto is on the ground KO'd and sasuk is standing.

what it means is that naruto did not merely pass out because he was overwhelmed my sasuke's attack
it means that naruto did in fact take the attack and handle it and seeing how naruto has been able to keep himself concious at the end of the gaara fight when he couldnt even walk because he was so weak i dont think that it is unreasonable to assume that if he could still stand then he could still stay awake if it was his will

[Chiyo]

I think or better I hope, that Kakashi finds Sasuke and takes him back, I'm not sure if Sasuke really goes now to Orochimaru, because Sasuke was in the end not the bad guy as before...I wonder what he is doing and I hope he comes back to Konoha..however...

I wish to know what Sasuke wanted to say to Naruto....I also thougt in the funny way..Naruto,I Love you*lol* (waiii shonen ai *laugh*) but it must, I'm sorry or other things.....^^ I hope it ends in the best way, really...

[Mr.X]

if they dragged saskue back to konoha, then they just wasted a whole year in the manga, cuz he would obviously run away again.

[Chiyo]

hmm...Iwonder....maybe Sasuke wants to go back to Konoha on it's own will, not yet, but soon, I think he will think about all and come to the best conclusion and come back..it seems that Sasuke has something realized.....

[Naszim]

im thinkin tht sasukes gonna go bak to his village, and find itachi, brag about his victory and naruto will prolly have like a funeral or sotmhing for him, and then he'll wake up or somthing, or be in the hospital for a bit, hes not dead, when he dies, the series dies

[Uchiha Kakure]

Well, i honestly think that Naruto is lying unconsious on the floor because the Kyuubi's chakra burnt him out. In the previous manga, you saw his left hand burnt to the point where he couldnt feel or use it. I just think he used way, way too much chakra and ended up frying his own nerves. I do see a change in Sasuke's thinking though, and I see that he's conflicted with the path that Itachi/Orochimaru has set forth and a return to the light. However, i see him training under Orochimaru, as well as more on the history of the Uchiha clan, (What is the perpose of the Clan?) as well as Kabuto reminicing. On the Konoha side, I can see Tsunade taking either Sakura or Hinata under her wing. (Hyuuga's would make the best medics with their first class chakra control.)

I cant see a huge time jump. I doubt The Akatsuki Organization would just stop looking for Naruto, especially with him in his current condition. (Comatose)

[onlyelliot]

Mut@t@,
Winning isnt just as simplistic of a matter as seeing who is standing at the end. Whoever wins in a certain conflict is the person that accomplishes the goal that they set out to achieve. In the Gaara, fight Naruto won because he wanted to stop Gaara and protect Sasuke and Sakura. Gaara, contrarily, lost because his goal was to kill everyone and he obviously failed at that task.
Now, in the fight that just occured, Sasuke's goal was to kill Naruto so that he could obtain the Menge-Sharingan. Naruto is obviously still alive seeing as the series is named after him so Sasuke consequently lost. Naruto in this fight wanted to Sasuke to return to the village. Eventhough Naruto claimed that he would beat Sasuke into submission and drag him back to the village, i think that at some point Naruto realized that it would be useless to bring Sasuke back to the village unless he came on his own accord. So it would be more accurate to say that Naruto was fighting to convince Sasuke that he should come back to the village because that is where he belongs. Now, I think we all agree that Sasuke didnt leave this fight to go back to Konoha, but we could also say that Sasuke had some sort of epiphony or revelation at the end of this chapter regarding his relationship with Naruto. And I believe this realization will have the long term effect of accomplishing Naruto's goal of bringing Sasuke back to the village. So perhaps Naruto won this fight.

If you can't see that Naruto won this fight it should at least be obvious that Sasuke lost because he failed to accomplish his goal.

p.s. I don't see why it is necessary to use proper punctuation, as long as the I am conceptually expressing myself addequately. If you however, want to play the role of a 7th grade grammar teacher then feel free to continue to critique my lack of mechanics. Maybe this post will satisfy your grammatical analism.

[Lefty]

Well Naruto might be announced as dead but is really alive and he has to leave everything he knows behind. At this point he leaves with Jiraya to track down Sauske and Orochimaru ad nthen a time jump can happen about two years would be good. We find them being persude by Akatsuki, or someone who wants them dead or on a mission of somesort. This would be the best course of action cuz it allows Naruto to become his own ninja away from the eye's of his freinds so he dosn't lose track of his true goal of brining Sauske back home.

[NaruGuy11]

I'm thinkin mabey naruto new that dragging him back would do nothing or he new he couldn't bring himself to kill sasuke(or take the chance). So instead he targeted his forehead protect to cross it out. Not saying naruto is some super unbeatable force but i can't see naruto missing sasukes whole body and hitting him in the forehead protector convienintly crossing out the hidden leaf symbol. If you look at the manga it doesn't seem like he was even aiming anywhere but the forehead protector and when he hit it it didn't seem to shock naruto at all like that is what he had planned on. I guess we will find out in a few episode wether or not it was planned or not.

[RasenDori]

i couldnt set here and read all of this. any ways, i dont know if this is old news or not, but guys, i dont think naruto or sasuke pulled their punches in that last hit. look at the last page of 232, they clash. and in the first panel of 233 you see this large chakra output circling them. its rather obvious the attacks lost a great deal of chakra. hell the proof is right their in the second panel were there is a lack of both a chidori or rasengan. (and no, that thing around sasukes hand is not the chidori, it should be black, or at least electric looking) the attacks were reduced to the simple chakra based punches you see there. i assume narutos attack doesnt do much to sasuke because it hit and armored area, hell, thats what the forehead protector is there for in the first plade.

[XwingRob]

Originally posted by: Chiyo
hmm...Iwonder....maybe Sasuke wants to go back to Konoha on it's own will, not yet, but soon, I think he will think about all and come to the best conclusion and come back..it seems that Sasuke has something realized.....

Yeah, and if he comes back now... I betcha he would be executed.
Why?
Because what he did was a tratiorous act. No reason to go easy on him just because he is 13... he knew what he was doing.


Or maybe I'm just being too dramatic...i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif

[kyubisrage]

ok lol hey onlyelliot how are you so sure that it was kyubi chakra? it could of been the resengan. Also Naruto aim his resengan to cross the forehead protector. Because he isnt that stupid to miss sasukes body head on. Also sasuke saying naruto I lost would fit because they made a bet that naruto couldnt hurt sasukes forehead but naruto did. Also the reason he didnt say the rest is because he puked. Also sasuke won't go to oro he will prob train by himself or maybe find a sensei maybe the other uchia clan member the last one. Can't wait for next weeks chapter. Also he didnt do anything traitors well the people dont know sakura just said he got captured by the 4 sound guys. She didn't say he went to oro or was planning to betray konoha.

[Chiyo]

I don't think that they would go bad on Sasuke, if he comes, back, maybe they observe him a little to see if he really come back to live in Konoha and doesn't do bd things and Kakashi would check that surely out^^, but not execute *lol* I think all will turn out good, but thats a long way to go *lol*^^ I cant't wait to know what will happen...>.<

[onlyelliot]

I was just speculating about it being the kyuubi chakra that scratched the forehead protector, but it seems like the only reasonable explanation because there was no resengan in his hand and even if there was the resengan doesnt slash it tears. And as far as the explanation that it was the result of naruto losing control of the resengan i dont think that is likely because the scratch was obviously depicted as a result of naruto's attack on p.2 .

[kyubisrage]

Huge edit
Ok first of all rasengan cant go through everything. Second of all naruto prob made it so it barely touched the protector. I never said he lost control I said he hit his protector on purpose

edit: if u also notice sasuke say naruto I, After his protector falls off. So probably he was going to say naruto i lost.

[onlyelliot]

That comment about him losing control wasnt in reply to your comment kyubisrage but to some other comments that have been made. I also agree that he hit the forehead protector but I just dont think it was from resengan as there was no visible resengan in Naruto's hand. Lastly i dont think that it is important to speculate the specifics of what Sasuke was going to say. The fact that he said, "Naruto, I..." tells us enough because it lets us know that Sasuke realized something about himself because fo Naruto. But yeah i think " I am sorry" would have been fitting or "I was wrong".

[Hotsuma]

Sasuke won the fight, as far as strength was concerned. Yes, you heard me right. Lvl 2 Sasuke overcame Naruto on the juice (Kyuubi). No ifs, ands or buts about it. SASUKE BEAT UP NARUTO.

Now, as I've been mentioning like, the entire thread, just because Naruto lost the battle, doesn't mean he lost the war. It's pretty damn obvious that Sasuke learned what's up and will untimately go back to being a face. (aka, a good guy)

[XTCBoY2K]

Originally posted by: Hotsuma
Sasuke won the fight, as far as strength was concerned.

Sasuke hit him directly while Naruto missed and hit the forehead protector. That doesn't prove anything in the strength department, just skill I suppose. Now if Naruto actually made contact on Sasuke's body then it would be a different story/ending.

[chet_chetty]

Originally posted by: RasenDori
thats what the forehead protector is there for in the first plade.

yes...to protect from explosions and/or explosion-like attacks

[DeadalouS]

hmmm dunno if this has been said before... but the hole in narutos flack jacket... isnt that from the first chidori impact... which means that only narutos rasengan scrathced sasukes head protecter in this impact?? aka sasuke dismissed his chidori the same moment he was about to hit....

makes more sence to me that way atleast

[jing]

Originally posted by: Chiyo
I don't think that they would go bad on Sasuke, if he comes, back, maybe they observe him a little to see if he really come back to live in Konoha and doesn't do bd things and Kakashi would check that surely out^^, but not execute *lol* I think all will turn out good, but thats a long way to go *lol*^^ I cant't wait to know what will happen...>.<

You must be a girl. Right? ^^

[Y]

Originally posted by: DeadalouS
hmmm dunno if this has been said before... but the hole in narutos flack jacket... isnt that from the first chidori impact... which means that only narutos rasengan scrathced sasukes head protecter in this impact?? aka sasuke dismissed his chidori the same moment he was about to hit....

makes more sence to me that way atleast

Of course he did. If Naruto had been hit with the Chidori it would have torn him in half.

[Chiyo]

Originally posted by: Hotsuma
Sasuke won the fight, as far as strength was concerned. Yes, you heard me right. Lvl 2 Sasuke overcame Naruto on the juice (Kyuubi). No ifs, ands or buts about it. SASUKE BEAT UP NARUTO.

Now, as I've been mentioning like, the entire thread, just because Naruto lost the battle, doesn't mean he lost the war. It's pretty damn obvious that Sasuke learned what's up and will untimately go back to being a face. (aka, a good guy)


yeah you on my side ^^waaiii







@Jing yeah you are right^^*lol*

[Stoopider]

Originally posted by: jing
You must be a girl. Right? ^^




Originally posted by: Chiyo
@Jing yeah you are right^^*lol*


Lol. Good perception Jing.

Because if you were a guy, you'll realise that there's no mercy for treason. Especially for all the bloodshed. Death of so many people (Neji and Chouji), and you can just come back and say 'sorry' ?

It's maybe not as bad as Itachi, massacring the whole village.

But to run away for selfish desires, there's no place for someone like Sasuke. Knowing that he can do such a thing, what next would he do if he's pushed to finding a greater source of power?

He's no different that Orochimaru, acquiring power through all means necessary to kill his brother.

Whats next? Killing Naruto to steal the kyuubi? Stealing the big scroll like naruto did in the first episode? Purposely fighting against other clans to steal their jutsu's with his sharingan?

[Chiyo]

I dont think that you have realize that Sasuke did not kill Naruto and thats obvious, so Sasuke realized something and will change....I'm sure and its not sure that neji and Chouji are really dead, I belive it, when I see it with my own eays and for that I think they live^^

[Souryusen]

Originally posted by: Chiyo
I dont think that you have realize that Sasuke did not kill Naruto and thats obvious, so Sasuke realized something and will change....I'm sure and its not sure that neji and Chouji are really dead, I belive it, when I see it with my own eays and for that I think they live^^

So.. in your little world...

Chouji: "Ahhh!! My fat is gone and I have no calories with which to make my body work! I am teh hrut!"

Neji: "I'll likely be peeing blood for a month because I took a fucking arrow through the kidney for some fuckwit I don't even like."

Naruto: "Yeah, I definitely took a chidori through the lung."

Kiba: "Man... half-disembowling myself really does hurt."

Sasuke: "Sorry, guys."

All: "It's all good."

Sasuke'll be lucky if Sakura doesn't cut his throat herself on behalf of the villiage.

[Assertn]

sasuke's last chidori did not even penetrate naruto's shirt, because, as i mentioned before, sasuke in the last second decided to switch to a blunt jab at his heart instead of a penetrating stab right through his body.
he did this because he couldnt bring himself to killing naruto.

and sasuke's forehead protector falling off seemed to be of his own doing, imo....since it was still tied and when he was standing there. And its not like there was a big gash in his head after his protector came off to reveal that he indeed took more damage as a result of their encounter.

[onlyelliot]

Sasuke's chidori did not even penetrate naruto's shirt, because the chidori never even made contact with Naruto's body. The chidori had already been defused by Naruto's resengan on the last page of the previous chapter. In this chapter neither Sasuke nor Naruto where using special attacks. Just look at the pictures in this chapter, not once was the resengan or chidori visible in either ninja's hands.

[Aragoth]

I think Naruto is actually the winner, it's obvious that he's exhausted because of the great amount of chakra que used on the fight... but what about sasuke? where is he?

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Aragoth
I think Naruto is actually the winner, it's obvious that he's exhausted because of the great amount of chakra que used on the fight... but what about sasuke? where is he?

it still doesnt change the fact that sasuke was standing there......and naruto was lying on the ground unconscious

arent the rules in most fights that the last one left standing wins?

btw...your sig is too big, it has to be 400x80 or smaller

[Saruto]

When you see sasuke taking his arm and spitt blood im sur it's because of the rasengan!...When you look back at kabuto it did the same thing no?...But there only one thing i dont understand...why did naruto attack the forhead and not on the body or even on the raikiri? ..

[Assertn]

no, they show a sharp pain coming from his left side, near his neck

this indicates to me, that the pain is coming from the curse seal

[Aragoth]

Originally posted by: Saruto
When you see sasuke taking his arm and spitt blood im sur it's because of the rasengan!...When you look back at kabuto it did the same thing no?...But there only one thing i dont understand...why did naruto attack the forhead and not on the body or even on the raikiri? ..

it's pretty obvious.... Sasuke Told him that he wouldn't be able even to scratch his forehead, remember? i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif


so... another sign that Naruto is the winner: Sasuke's Forehead is scratched, isn't it?

[NaruGuy11]

Naruto one in more of a symbolic way sasuke said he couldn't scratch his forehead protecetor so naruto scratch it so im gussing it never was narutos intention to hit saskues body but to show sasuk that he could beat him. I think at the end of 233 he try saying he lost cause naruto scratch his forehead plate porving him wrong.

[Boogster]

Is everyone still disappointed with the series/arc? Personally, I think the last 5 or 6 manga have substantially advanced the series as a whole.

Naruto lost, Sasuke appears to have shed his past with the village, and new bonds have been unearthed between the two. Moreover, Kyubi is having a larger impact - we now have to consider his effect on Naruto's mental and physical state. Can he be contained?

Frankly, although the arc was (painfully) long, and somwhat gratuitous in parts, I don't think Kishomoto has disappointed. I personally feel a renewed interest in the series.