Chidori vs. Rasengan

[mdclips]

Come Chidori vs. Rasengan who do you think is gonna win.

It seems like Sasuke might win.

[Sharog]

well judging from the impact, and the power of the jutsu's, i think sasuke will end up with a twisted elbow and naruto a broken shoulder, and then naruto's clone jump out and form another rasengan on naruto left hand and baaammm, finishing move i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

ps: ignore my imagination.

[kAi]

i dunno i just cant wait till the next chapter...
but i dont think this is whats gunna decide it.

i think both of them might get blown back by the force into the statues...
kinda like how kabuto got whipped by the rasengan or the the guy jiraiya did it to..

[PSJ]

my guess is that both of them will be thrown backwards and get equal amounts of damage....maybe the power of them will draw that kunai up from the water and make it fly right into sasukes chest and kills him....


note: i can dream cant i?

[makkura]

whoever wins, that kunai who fell in the water will play a big role.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: makkura
whoever wins, that kunai who fell in the water will play a big role.

i was thinking that too... i'm think like one of the two will somehow grab the kunai with their feet and toss it into the other like how sasuke did in the forest of death.

[PSJ]

i dont think naruto got the skills to do that maybe he'll do a kage bunshin that can throw it or something i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif naruto just isnt the guy to make a smooth trhwoing motion with his leg if someone will do that its sasuke.

[Kalean]

I think it'd be pretty sad if this was the end of the fight already. In my perfect world, Sasuke's chidori would end up getting crushed by the rasengan, but then Sasuke would open the curse seal, and beat down on Naruto, then Naruto would open up the Kyuubi over Sasuke's total betrayal of the leaf village, and just because we can't have Naruto die, and then Sasuke would open up the 2nd seal. In this perfect world of MINE, Sasuke would lose. Of course, we all know that if my idea came about, 2nd form sasuke would win because otherwise this entire arc would've been pointless. And we can't have that.

[DeluxSkillz]

rasengan beats chidori hands down

[jing]

explosion knocks both of them back, then someone comes takes them away. orochimaru rescues sasuke, jiraiya rescues naruto.
and then the real fight begins,
jiraiya vs orochimaru

[Alu]

My theory.

Rasengan is well more powerful than chidori.

Well the Rasengan ends up beating Chidori but only injuring Sasuke. After some words Sasuke uses his cursed seal and beats Naruto down and as he is about to finish him off it is interrupted(my guess is Gaara). They go their seperate ways and we can finally go to another arc!

[Eurasian]

dude, i hope nobody really comes and interferes w/ their fight. cuz it's just them!! it's their lil conflict!!

OBVIOUSLY!! rasengan is more powerful (j/k j/k, just my opinion). well, i wasn't really kidding when i said i think rasengan is more powerful. cuz i think it is. yondaime did create it. and since yondaime is more powerful than kakashi, then it's only logical that rasengan is more powerful. BUT!! naruto didn't master the rasengan yet so he can't use it at full force. and sasuke's curse can go to level 2...i don't want naruto to get beat up by sasuke!!

[Tofu #2]

ummm...sasuke had his sharingan on....y did he not dodge/predict naruto's move with it? just like how he did when gaara was trying to transform in the chunnin exam.

[Uzumaki Naruto]

me i personaly think that the rasengan is stronger, but im guessing that both of the will be thrown back from the power of the 2 jutsus clashing, then after that naruto will prolly summon gama bunta and make him sit on sasuke ( jp)

[Knives122]

or maybe a meteor will comedown and know naruto out

[Eurasian]

Originally posted by: Knives122
or maybe a meteor will comedown and know naruto out

i see. even the randomness of the universe exists in naruto.

[Destroyor]

All of the above had been posted (and repost!) on the animesuki forum ...... well ... except for that random meteor thing i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif


Just wait and see! The end for all chidori vs rasengan discussion manga chapter!

[Hotsuma]

It's gonna be a draw. If Naruto wins by a simple Rasengan, it'd piss off too many readers.

[Black Knight]

Originally posted by: Eurasian
yondaime did create it. and since yondaime is more powerful than kakashi, then it's only logical that rasengan is more powerful.

hmm.. thats not really logical. its not fair to say that just because the creator of one technique was more powerful than the other, the techniques themselves will rank in the same way.

as for my opinion, rasengan all the way. all naruto needs to do now is to learn how to do it without a clone (if he didnt already. im pretty behind). unless chidori "cuts" the rasengan or something..

[Hotsuma]

Originally posted by: Eurasian
yondaime did create it. and since yondaime is more powerful than kakashi, then it's only logical that rasengan is more powerful.


That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Even though Rasengan is more powerful (in terms of damage) than the Chidori, it's credited to the principles of the Jutsus. Not the creator who made them.


Your jutsu is only as good as how well you've mastered it. In that case, Sasuke and his Chidori is mountains better than Naruto and his Rasengan.

[xtort]

Originally posted by: Hotsuma
Your jutsu is only as good as how well you've mastered it. In that case, Sasuke and his Chidori is mountains better than Naruto and his Rasengan.

I'd say that's probably just as logical as Eurasian's "logic". Realistically, no matter how good your style is with a featherduster, a thermonuclear missile will always be stronger. There's a lot of interplay here between the strength of the move, the skill of the wielder, and hell... the story behind all this. My sneaking suspicion is that Sasuke = owned. His best move will prove, yet again, not enough for Naruto, and will be forced to rely on his evil nature to even come close.

I think that this is all a bit unfortunate. We all know Sasuke can run circles around Naruto, and it seems a bit forced by Kishimoto that Sasuke isn't kicking Naruto's ass, but is rather just rushing in with his "finishing" move. The next chapter 227 is going to be verbal interplay between Sasuke and Naruto, and finishing off with Assuke opening up his can of level 2. Quote me on that one.

-xtortout

[injun]

if the "death blows" don't finish one or the other off, then its probably going to switch to sasuke slapping naruto around. and just before sasuke's victory he will go on another rant, said rant will cause to naturo go on one of his "don't underestimate me" bits. afterwhich naruto will somehow pull a victory out of his ass.

as for the issue of superior finishing moves, rasangan wins hands down. Compare the damage to the water towers the first time they attempted to clash with finishing moves. Sasuke did some damage, but Naruto RAPED the damn thing.

[PSJ]

naruto wont win this one. sasuke will slap naruto around then someone will come and scare him away.

[Eurasian]

ok, i'm wrong. i have bad logic. and i guess it is how skillful the ninja is.

[Hotsuma]

Originally posted by: xtort


Originally posted by: Hotsuma
Your jutsu is only as good as how well you've mastered it. In that case, Sasuke and his Chidori is mountains better than Naruto and his Rasengan.

I'd say that's probably just as logical as Eurasian's "logic". Realistically, no matter how good your style is with a featherduster, a thermonuclear missile will always be stronger. There's a lot of interplay here between the strength of the move, the skill of the wielder, and hell... the story behind all this. My sneaking suspicion is that Sasuke = owned. His best move will prove, yet again, not enough for Naruto, and will be forced to rely on his evil nature to even come close.


-xtortout

A featherduster and thermonuclear missle aren't jutsus. And the difference between the two is obviously very far-fetched. Additionally, I never said anything about which is "stronger", but "better (character)". There's a difference. Better jutsu doesn't mean you win. Shikamaru is the proof because he beat people with his one, overused jutsu through mastery of it and how he utilized it in the proper situations. So, yes. If we were to take Sasuke with his Chidori (and no seal) plus Naruto and his Rasengan (no Kyuubi), Sasuke is the better because he can form his Chidori almost instantly, whereas Naruto can only do so with kagebunshin assist.

But given the situation, I can understand where you're coming from. Since Sasuke is just rushing into it (VS Naruto), he is the weaker character, mainly because of the difference in Jutsus.

Sasuke's Chidori either loses, or results in a statemate.

In either case, he takes his lvl 2 seal for a test drive VS Naruto.

Naruto decides to use his own trump card and whips out ol Kyuubi.

Past that, it's anybody's game. I'm sick of Sasuke and his crap now. Way too much time consumed this shit.

[xtort]

Haha, I'd agree to most of that. The point was really that it's not JUST skill alone that decides stuff. Beyond that, it is anyone's game. I've had a good time with this most recent arc. It's moved the story in each chapter more than in the 30 chapters of fighting the Sound 4. I like that, and want more to come of it. It'll be interesting. If you think about it, what are the possibilities with Sasuk'e new possible jutsu. If he gets it by killing Naruto, well.. that can't happen. If he gets it some other way, it's pretty much gotta be Sakura, unless there's a hole in the idea that the only way you can get it is by killing your friend. If he gets it without killing Naruto, I'm worried for the story.

Regardless, this has been a good arc.

-xtortout

[Hotsuma]

He'll get the Mangekyou Sharingan a different way.. Mainly through protection, allies and friendship. And all that other mumbo jumbo. It's a trend. That's how all strayed characters get "more" powerful.

[Orochi]

I think that in chapter 227 it will be like, naruto and sasuke using their Chidori and Rasengan against each other, and than, when sasuke will realize he can't kill naruto with the Chidori, he will transform to the level 2 curse seal thing and naruto will ask th nin tails to land him his full power. than, there will be a cool showdown with flashbacks and all (and of course a lot of tears). than, each one them will make is strongast move and the chapter will end. and in chapter 228, we will find out that the two are like falling to the river after their big hits at each and the two back to their normel forms, and than, in the scene were they both are falling to the river, naruto will unconscious and sasuke will be in conscious (very like the scene with garaa). then sasuke will realize how foolish he have acted and and save naruto from death (by falling to the water, man it's high!) and he will remmeber how naruto really was is best friend. than will naruto gain consciousness, sasuke will tell him wht he treid to kill him and what was the original purpose of the sharingan. end

[azzmanx]

naruto is gonna wipe the floor with 2nd level sasuke using the nine tail chakra on a projectile version of the Rasengan. and then sasuke will open the 3rd seal (everything comes in threes) and then it'll be a stalemate similar to Gaara.

[Uchiha Barles]

I've read all the manga chapters from the introduction of tsunade till the end in 2 nights. I couldn't hold out any longer. I think the rasengan is more powerful than the chidori based on the damage each was shown to do to the water towers a buncha chapters back. But, on a head on collision between the two techniques, it's kinda hard to tell. In my mind I kinda compare the rasengan to a chainsaw, and the chidori to...something that...stabs really well.......So yeah, I don't know.

About how this is going to end, I'm confident the writers will leave me satisified so the specifics of what happens, BUT, one thing BETTER NOT HAPPEN...and that's Sasuke going back to team 7 and them working on missions and growing stronger and playing together again, or anything like it. Ideally, Sasuke beats the living shit out of Naruto and goes to Orochimaru. Sasuke's "Destiny" needs to proceed.

[basey44]

i think were gonna have to wait to 228 before anything gets the least bit resolved, or maybe even 230(if it get really drawn out)

[JerV]

spoken like a true Sasgay fangirl/boy Rasengan is way more powerfull then chidori even if naruto has to use 2 hands to do it

[Uchiha Kakure]

The funny thing is with all your predictions you fall to realize that Sasuke hasnt even use his 1st level of the curse seal, and he's handing Naruto his ass.

[Uchiha Barles]

Originally posted by: JerV
spoken like a true Sasgay fangirl/boy Rasengan is way more powerfull then chidori even if naruto has to use 2 hands to do it

Nope, I like Naruto better, and, hah, look at chapter 227, you don't better than anyone else.

Yeah, a Naruto fighting with the mentality that the person in front of him is his friend, and not a ninja trying to murder him (despite having been told, it's still hard for him to believe). Once he gets a grip on what Sasuke's about, he'll start being serious himself, and the fight won't be so one sided.

[ChuBaka]

I think it would be cool if sasuke realizes how to do a mangekyou sharingan in the middle of the fight. NOW THAT WOULD BE WORTH IT... Rasengan and chidori dont really seem to be the death move that they should be... but mangekyou sharingan kicks ass.

[kAi]

as i have said before i really hope sasuke doesnt get the mangekyou sharingan just now...i hope he gets the three pupils in each eye first then the mangekyou...as with getting the mangekyou he has already basically mastered the sharingan...and doesnt leave any where to improve much on it...

oh and rasengan and chidori are the death moves they should be...
but naruto and sasuke are different to the true masters of the respective moves..
jiraiya and kakashi!

when they use these moves there used to there full potential!!

[Snarbald]

I was under the impression that Naruto was making a point of keeping the power of the rasengan down so as to not kill Sasuke but still powerful enough to block the chidori.

[kAi]

i dont think naruto knoes the full capacities of the rasengan...because when he used it in kabuto he went flying away but he was already healing himself before the initial impact...and when he sees jiraiya use it it was just to push the guy outta the way and knock him out (or not)...other wise he as just seen it used on inanimate objects, eg trees...i dont think he realises that it would rip you to shreds if used properly..

im thinking the first time he [naruto] kills someone it is going to be with the rasengan and it aint gunna be pretty..

[piasEnigma]

naruto does not know the full capapilitys of the rasengan nor does jiraiya because there are eight levels to the Rasengan that only its creator, Yondaime, knows how to accomplish. The last five have not been seen yet, but they most definitely become more powerful and more difficult to master as they go.

[kAi]

piasEnigma: where did you get that from..?

[Lenas]

piasEnigma, Jiraiya has mastered the Rasengan just as the Fourth did. There's no evidence to show otherwise.

[basey44]

ya 8 levels, wtf r u tlaking about, uve either mastered it or u havent

EDIT: wait the forth invented it? i assumed it was an old school ninja technique, been around for ages, and jiriaya(sp?) just taught it to him

[Konohamaru]

I think the chidori should win even tho I don't like Sasuke anymore. It's said before by Gai sensei that the chidori turns into a knife type electric move by the hand and can cut through anything. The rasengan wasn't known to do anything but injure their opponents.

[xtort]

I have the distinct impression that piasEnigma is confusing Resengan with opening the 8 gates. Well, whatever he's having, I'll have two please.

-xtortout

[piasEnigma]

Originally posted by: basey_69
ya 8 levels, wtf r u tlaking about, uve either mastered it or u havent

EDIT: wait the forth invented it? i assumed it was an old school ninja technique, been around for ages, and jiriaya(sp?) just taught it to him

No, you are wrong.
It was created by the fourth.



Originally posted by: xtort
I have the distinct impression that piasEnigma is confusing Resengan with opening the 8 gates. Well, whatever he's having, I'll have two please.

-xtortout

and no once again, this information was taken basically word for word off of narutofan.com

Rasengan (Spiral Blast)
First Performed by: Jiraiya
Type of Technique: NinJutsu
Chapter: 150

A Ninjutsu technique incorporating the chakra control needed for both the tree climbing training and water walking training. With the type of chakra control needed for the tree climbing training, the ninja focuses a set amount of chakra into the palm of their hand. With the type of chakra control needed for the water walking training, the ninja continuously releases that set amount of chakra from the palm of their hand in the form of a constantly spinning ball.

The chaotic power of this spinning ball of chakra comes from the ninja's chakra rotation. A person's chakra rotation can be determined by the rotation of their hairline. If their hairline swirls to the right, they have a right rotation, and if it swirls to the left, they have a left rotation. With the Rasengan, the ninja focuses their chakra in the opposite direction of their chakra rotation, creating a disruption in the chakra flow, which is where the force of the Rasengan comes from. Focusing chakra to spin in every direction is the first level of this technique.

The second level of the Rasengan is power. This level of the technique forces the ninja to apply order to chaos to harness the power of this jutsu. By focusing their chakra into a single point on their palm, instead of their entire palm, they produce a stronger concentration of chakra to add to the maelstrom of their chakra flow. This creates the powerful outward force of the Rasengan, like a hurricane. Powerful, but uncontrollable, this is the second level of this technique.

The third level of the Rasengan is control. The ninja has to be able to use one hundred percent of their spinning chakra and one hundred percent of their powering chakra and keep them firmly within the palm of their hand, creating the small and controlled ball the Rasengan is typically seen as. In this state, the Rasengan becomes more focused and powerful, and as it meets friction, it becomes faster, creating even more power as the attack is in motion. Controlling the maelstrom of spinning and flowing chakra is the third step of this technique.

There are eight levels to the Rasengan that only its creator, Yondaime, knows how to accomplish. The last five have not been seen yet, but they most definitely become more powerful and more difficult to master as they go.

This technique was created by Yondaime. First performed by Jiraiya in chapter one hundred and fifty. He spends the next few chapters teaching it to Naruto, until he finally reaches the third level in chapter one hundred and fifty-eight.

[riftwing]

narutofan.com doesn't know shit, there's no evidence that there are 8 levels of rasengan. If you're going to base your claims with "fact" do so from instances from the actual manga rather than random websites.

[piasEnigma]

narutofan is hardly a random website, meybe there is a fucking reason they have the most hits of any naruto related fan site.. god, some people...

[riftwing]

It could be the most popular website on the entire damn internet but it doesn't make it any more credible.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: piasEnigma
narutofan is hardly a random website, meybe there is a fucking reason they have the hits of any naruto related fan site.. god, some people...

narutofan had a lunchbox as a medic kit. ok? narutofan isn't 100% right about all the shit. the fact that they had a lunchbox with chopsticks as a medic kit alone should tell you that there is a higher chance of that information being wrong because the levels of rasengan weren't explained clearly.

[JusDaMan]

During those chapters... naruto has been done by like XXX amounts of scanlation grps... after TW quit and before Inane started... in those chapters some of the information provided is false...

In the manga... the scanlation people called mangekyou sharingan just plain mange sharingan until it was later proven wrong.
This 8th level thing is also part of an error that the scanlation people made. but since we all read the same type of naruto scanlation there is no way to know whats what unless inane release better scanlations of those chapters

Edit: oh and about the chidori vs rasengan thing... I think rasengan is stronger based on the water tower thing.. but if they both hit it will cancel out.

I wonder will jiraiya try to do a hybrid.... rasendori or chisengan or chidorirasengan... That would be mad hot!

[Hotsuma]

Originally posted by: piasEnigma
narutofan is hardly a random website, meybe there is a fucking reason they have the hits of any naruto related fan site.. god, some people...

You have just lost the right to post. Don't ever speak to us again. Ever.

Unless I see some books that shows said levels, everything you and Narutofan says is a bunch of speculations.

[piasEnigma]

http://forums.gotwoot.net/messageview.cfm?catid=29&threadid=12236&enterthrea d=y
This thread even more so then all the rest.. sooooooooo wtf is the problem with speculations?

Edit: and even if they are incorrect, and narutofan is "bullshit," How many people from here frequent them for their naruto manga/anime fix? The results would be interesting.

[Mut]

ummm, pias what does that ILLUSTRATION book have anything to do with rasengan's learning levels?

and us getting their manga/anime fix has nothing to do with the credibility of narutofan's information because naruto manga and anime is the official releases while a lot of the stuff at naruto fan is speculation and 'educated guesses.'

[basey44]

hmmm i have a storng suspicion that pias is an idiot

[piasEnigma]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
ummm, pias what does that ILLUSTRATION book have anything to do with rasengan's learning levels?

and us getting their manga/anime fix has nothing to do with the credibility of narutofan's information because naruto manga and anime is the official releases while a lot of the stuff at naruto fan is speculation and 'educated guesses.'

It was an example of seculation, you posted in that thread all you needed to do was scroll down slightly.



Originally posted by: basey_69
hmmm i have a storng suspicion that pias is an idiot

and after reading your more reasent post, your the last person who sould be calling another an idiot.

[Hotsuma]

If anybody says "Well, we d/l our manga from one site, and since it's so popular everything they say must be right!" If Narutofan said that Naruto was actually a girl, would you believe it?

You're an idiot, piasEnigma. Now shut the fuck up.

[piasEnigma]

such kind words from a man with a females name.

[Hotsuma]

Hotsuma isn't a girls name, you tool.

[Hatake Kakashi]

I wasn't pleased that these two attacks cancelled each other out..but I expected that it would happen since the fight just started and they weren't going to end it that quick.

[Xceleration]

Originally posted by: piasEnigma


Originally posted by: Mut@t@
ummm, pias what does that ILLUSTRATION book have anything to do with rasengan's learning levels?

and us getting their manga/anime fix has nothing to do with the credibility of narutofan's information because naruto manga and anime is the official releases while a lot of the stuff at naruto fan is speculation and 'educated guesses.'

It was an example of seculation, you posted in that thread all you needed to do was scroll down slightly.



Originally posted by: basey_69
hmmm i have a storng suspicion that pias is an idiot

and after reading your more reasent post, your the last person who sould be calling another an idiot.

Been a while since i posted, even though didn't post much anyways, but.. piasEnigma, when you post next time, back it up with some evidence thanks, and no Narutofan.com isn't exacaly evidence, it's only a guide, and yes there are like 200 pages in narutofan, it's highly possible that the article writers could make huge mistakes, and never actually catch it. I'd also suggest you get some proper spelling/grammar before posting again, "reseant", "seculation", enough said.

Btw, where did you get that Hotsuma is a girl's name, from a name dictionary? Must be some loser to know trivial things like that, I bet you read the entire name dictionary. I'm supposing you think that Hotsuma is a girl's name because of his avatar, well either way, I'd have to agree with basey_69 about you being an idiot.

[dbesing]

personally, if naruto mastered the rasengan i'd say he'd win if u look at manga and anime when it comes out that first sene where sasuke and naruto go at each other, sasukes arm broke one side of somethign and got stuck, as naruto's made a small hole on one said as where the other was completely Trashed, small damage on outside Major Screw job on inside his is most powerful, unless sasuke can become faster and pour more power into his chidori , but if naruto learned to push the fox deams charka into rasengan there's no contest there naruto would win in one strike long as it hit, course the other option with that is naruto would end up killing himself from a power overload,

[jing]

I don't know, but i'd say whoever has a bigger chakra in hand would win.

[kAi]

id have to agree with jing...
as the result has already been shown..it was a draw...and by the looks probably got roughly the same amount of chakra in each move...

[Hakeem_21]

If it is all about chakra as your guys are saying we know that Naruto have enourmas chakra and thats why Jiraya learned rasengan.

I see only two reason to why his rasengan wasnt stronger than Sasukes chidori. One that he didnt put all of his chakra in it so he wouldnt kill Sasuke and we know that Naruto didnt want to kill him in the begining of the fight. Two that his rasengan right now is so weak or undeveloped that he cant put a lot power in to it.

[dbesing]

yeah but sasuke Chidori only goes where the arm is, where the hand is, as in straight front damage, like they said the attack is a straight thrust, that is kinda true about the Rasengan, but when you think of it might be same amount of chakra but unlike the chidori the Rasengan has i'd guess u call it splash damage when you look at the amount of damage that was done also like i said, if naruto learns to fully control the nine tails chakra Rasengan would deffently be the most powerful out of the two


but thats just my endless ramboling ^_^

[Hakeem_21]

Naruto doesnt need kyubi chakra to beat Sasuke chidori! His own chakra is a lot better than Sasuke right now since it has got big thansk to mixing with kyubi chakra.

[kAi]

the manga has already shown that the rasengan and chidori both used by them in a normal state (no kyubi, no cursed seal)
the chidori vs rasengan impacted and it became a draw how can you say that naruto doesnt need kyubi's chakra to beat sasukes chidori when the answer has already been displayed...

[Xceleration]

Originally posted by: kAi
the manga has already shown that the rasengan and chidori both used by them in a normal state (no kyubi, no cursed seal)
the chidori vs rasengan impacted and it became a draw how can you say that naruto doesnt need kyubi's chakra to beat sasukes chidori when the answer has already been displayed...

I think if the rasengan was fully mastered by Naruto, the outcome probably would have been different. After the draw Sasuke clearly says that was his fully powered chidori, and he also mastered it. In a direct impact, a fully mastered rasengan vs a fully mastered chidori, the rasengan should be able to win.