Itachi

[PSJ]

Well there is one of these in the naruto manga forum so why not make one here to?

what do you guys think of him? he kicked kakashi's ass easily and both kurenai and asuma couldnt do anyhting, would gai be able to do something with his "tecnique" against sharingan users?

[chambers]

i was quite shocked at how graphic Itachis technique was, id hate to see how much it would be butchered if it was shown on us/uk tv.
i dont think gai could kick his ass, but i think hes certainly got the most chances of beating him, hes got experince and probably speed on his side.

[kage_bunshin]

I guess Gai would have at least some chance of beating itachi due to his experience of fighting against the sharingan, and he should have greater speed which will help gai alot, but then again the sharingan can read Gai's movements... hmm... very hard to decide.

[chambers]

yes but like lee said, theres no point in reading movements if you cant defend against them!

[DeluxSkillz]

argh no not another Itachi thread the one in the manga forum is like 30 pages long, anyway i still believe that Itachi will beat them all he's too powerful Gai might stand a slight chance but Itachi's jutsu speed is amazing and he'll just totally overwhelm Gai

[chambers]

so you think Itachi will win out, failing an intervention from tsunade and Jira? or you think it would take the whole village at once attacking in unison to take him out?

[HairyClam]

I think Itachi whill get what he is looking for at the end (naruto) and instead of resealing the demon (sorry forgot the name) something goes wrong and it gets released and itachi gets killed naruto sacrifices himself to save the village with the others help to save it from the demon and gets put in the books like the 4th wanted cause no offence unless sasuke gets alot stronger or someone else can learn gai tec for fighting against the magna eyes they all kinda fucked but u can all have a massive go at me now for saying this have fun i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

[HimizujinEternia]

I sometimes feel like I'm the only person who doesn't think Itachi is cool. Simply, he's damn boring as a character. I accept that he's strong, he just doesn't seem useful for anything except to expand Sasuke's character, and bring Sasuke closer to his final purpose in the series: Villian.

[Enigmatic_Paragon]

Gai has 0 chance of beating Itachi. Zero. Look at it this way:

While Gai and Kakashi are certainly capable ninjas in their own right, they are simply not strong/talented enough to become Hokage - hence, Jiraiya was the one initially selected to become the next Hokage. Next consider that the 3rd hokage lost to Orochimaru. Noone in Leaf can fight Oro equally - the third himself says that as the strongest in Leaf village. It is likely also safe to assume that Oro is the strongest of the Sannin - ie stronger than Jiraiya - The third describes Oro as a "once in a decade genius" and turns a blind eye to his twisted personality, and himself states that he didnt select Oro to become the next Hokage because of his corrupted ways (Read: If it wasnt for that, Oro would likely have been the next Hokage. As it is, the 4th was chosen over the other 2 Sannin anyway).

Now we have that sorted out, consider that the Hokage lost to Oro, and Oro states that Itachi is stronger than himself. You should see why Gai had no chance against Itachi. No, not even a small chance. A small chance is what the 3rd Hokage had against Oro, and if Gai had "a small chance" against Itachi, you'd be forced to conclude that he is stronger than the 3rd Hokage.

Oh, I piece of speculation from myself: I dont think the leaf jounins are aware just how strong Itachi is. They know his strong, but they dont suspect that he is stronger than Orochimaru. I believe they (Asuma and Kurenei(sp?) ) think Itachi is only slightly stronger than themselves, and Kakashi/Gai thinks better of him, but still not as strong as Oro. Why? Look at the initial reaction Orochimaru gets from people and compare it to the initial reaction Itachi gets. Oro reaction = "I will die killing him" while Itachi reaction = "I will kill him and get out of the fight alive".

Oh yeah, unless youve read ahead in the manga its far too early to start properly examining Itachi as a character. Weve seen all of 2 episodes where he is actually present.

Edit: Before someone decides to announce how Gai specialises in fighting against the Sharingan, I'd like to point out that that it is most improbable that Itachi survived as a ninja solely because of his sharingan. To put it in terms of an analogy, you cant be a great at maths if you only do addition and subtraction. Theres alot more to maths, from the basic multiplication, to integration, optimisation and trigonometrics - and thats just in highschool. Theres no way you'd become proficient at maths if you simply concentrated on one area and flunked the rest.

[IamSpazzy]

I think Shikimaru's dad could beat Itachi, in his own disinterested way.

Itachi's utlimate technique seems to take quite a bit out of him. Maybe it was S-0's bad translation, but it seems that Kisame tells Itachi not to use the technique too often.

So...Shikimaru's dad's team together I think could have a chance of beating Itachi. At dusk when the shadows are longest, Shikimaru's dad binds him. Chouji's dad walks up behind Itachi and sits on him. These people are Ninja's not gunslingers. who says you have to meet your opponent face to face.

As for Orochimaru, he might just not be sure if he can win against Itachi's ultimate technique, preferring a sure thing rather than gambling.

As for the Hokage saying that Orochimaru was a once in a generation type of Ninja. There's more to being Hokage than just power in terms of jitsu as ninja, wisdom, intelligence, and ambition are all important. Look at Shikimaru. He's not the most powerful in terms of raw power like Naruto, but he's a very capable ninja in his own right.

[Enigmatic_Paragon]

If Shikamaru's dad could beat Itachi, he would be the next Hokage.

Its all nice and good to speculate and if this and then that, but really - Kishimoto didnt put Itachi on a high pedestal as the strongest character we've encountered so far just so that a minor character could concievably beat him.

Edit: (I missed your last paragraph)
While I agree with you that theres supposed to be more to being a Hokage (and indeed in the context of this story, a ninja) than pure strength, for the purposes of determining the plausibility of one character defeating another, all that is relevant is the skills related to combat - including tactics, jutsus etc etc.
Oh, and I'm sure that Orochimaru didnt get to be as strong as he is by being mediocre in some of his skills. Perhaps the only thing he is shown to lack in the story so far is compassion/a heart. We are positioned to see him has having plenty of everything else thats important to being a ninja as a whole.

[IamSpazzy]

So far in the anime series, every ultimate technique made the possessor seem invincible, that is until we saw how to overcome the ultimate technique.

I'm just saying that while Itachi is really really powerful, it doesn't mean that he can't be beaten by someone other than Sasuke. Otherwise, why did the 3rd unretire, instead of appointing a Uchiha as the 5th Hokage. The technique is ultimate insomuch as we dont' know how to beat it yet.

[Jman]

Gai could definitely determine Itachi's movements and he has speed on his side but I don't think he's capable of beating him but he stands a chance against Kisame imo.

[chambers]

i think a good % of the people in naruto would stand a chance against kisame, and i actually think that Kakashi would beat him, its already been shown that he posesses incredible strength (kisame that is), so i see no reason why Kakashi who is evidently faster cannot beat him.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: IamSpazzy
Itachi's utlimate technique seems to take quite a bit out of him. Maybe it was S-0's bad translation, but it seems that Kisame tells Itachi not to use the technique too often.

surprisingly SO was correct that time.....kisame does indeed tell itachi not to use his eye too often

what i think's so interesting about itachi is that not only can he perform jutsus in the blink of an eye (which in itself is very cool if you've copied 1000s of jutsus), but also he actually acts like the kinda person who was once an ANBU squad leader. The way he fights and chooses to retreat shows that he can make conclusive decisions based on the situation and not let anger or power get in the way of his judgement.

[Enigmatic_Paragon]

IamSpazzy>>>

I never said Itachi couldnt be beaten. I just said he couldnt be beaten by Gai/Kakashi.

If it was one of the Sannin, or the Hokage then it'd be a different matter. Sure they might be weaker, but I think they'd actually stand a chance - How much of a chance is entirely up to Kishimoto. We havnt recived enough information (in the anime) to do any reasonable speculation.

Oh yeah, and in all probability an Uchiha wasnt appointed as the 5th because they were dead. Even if that werent the case, bringing it up just complicates the story beyond what is likely Kishimoto had in mind. Bringing up explainations for every concievably plausible fork in the storyline is unrealistic.

[Mut]

i'll say this right now...

itachi can beat everyone that has been introduced and alive so far. PERIOD. while the chances of other's beating itachi is VERY VERY VERY slim. except jiraiya, i'd say he has the best chance (BETTER'S THAN GAI'S).

i'll post more into this thread later.

[chambers]

and you know this how? you state it like its a fact, show me how you came to this conclusion?

just because jira is one of the sannin doesnt mean hes some kind of godlike ninja, he could be the slowest person in the whole of naruto, we havent seen him fight yet. you can say it all you want but as of right now Gai is not only the most likley person to beat itachi, but hes also the only one we can PROVE will be effective against him.

if i wanted i could make apost like yours and just demand that everyone accept gai could beat him, as it stands iam notdoing that. iam INVITING you to defend you clealy unsupportable views.

[Jman]

lemme fan the fire a bit here, what do yall think about a Jiraiya+Gamabunta summon vs Itachi?

[IamSpazzy]

As for the Uchiha's being wiped out when the 3rd un-retired...They were still around. 4th died when Naruto was still a baby. So the 3rd had to have come back before Naruto and Sasuke were old enough to talk. So the Uchiha's were still around.

[IamSpazzy]

Actually, Naruto could conceivably defeat Itachi....How long do you think it's been since Itachi's been with a woman? Sexy Jitsu and Kage Bushin will give Itachi a debilitating nose bleed. =)

[Kagari]

Itatchi sucks.

[Jman]

Originally posted by: Kagari
Itatchi sucks.

lol @ ^^

[Aeon]

Chouji's dad walks up behind Itachi and sits on him

LMAO, am I the onlt person that found that funny. And I think Itachi can see through Sexy No Jutsu, or he'd copy it and turn into naked Sakura and give Naruto a nosebleed.

[SofaKing]

Now that I've seen 82, I've just gotta say-

Gai doesn't stand a chance against Itachi. Itachi is just too fast. Not even Kakashi could follow his movements, and he has a sharingan. The idea that Gai could even
put up a good fight against Itachi assumes that Itachi needs to use his sharingan to beat him. But the sharingan isn't Itachi's only strength.

[LostAngel]

Chouji's dad walks up behind Itachi and sits on him

LMFAO thats to funny.. I would love to see him go out that way.. Itachi is strong and smart... I think that Kakashi said that he was a ANBU leader at the age 13. But I think if someone knew how to counter his attacks.... someone who could fight at a distance could win if they knew what they was doing. Reason why Uchiha clan is strong is because of the sharingon. So if the person avoided eye contact... and had it to where he could make it to where Itachi couldn't see them they could stand a chance. Like Zabuza said at the beginning and what Gai was saying.

Everyone knows Itachi is strong and has some kick ass jutsu... but I think his a bit overrated. I would love to see Sasuke to kick his ass. Sasuke I think is going to be more powerful... because Orchi tells Sasuke that he could sense power that surpased Itachi in his eyes during the exams.

[PSJ]

wow this thread exploded. great to see so many ppl interested in itachi. got a long way to the posts of the manga discusson tho i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[SK]

i dont think people are really seeing the strength of Itachi. the third lost, in a way, to oro, and itachi is stronger than oro. so at the time oro attacked konoha the third was the strongest ninja in the village (besides jiraiya who was hangin out at the time), oro defeated the 3rd (kinda), and remember oro fears itachi. so if you think anyone in the village has a chance to defeat itachi, then that means there is someone in the village who is stronger than the 3rd, jiraiya, and tsunade, (by this i mean they would have been a candidate for 5th instead of jiraiya and tsunade.) so you get it? no one in konoha at this time can beat him.

[Legendary Nin]

Originally posted by: chambers
and you know this how? you state it like its a fact, show me how you came to this conclusion?

just because jira is one of the sannin doesnt mean hes some kind of godlike ninja, he could be the slowest person in the whole of naruto, we havent seen him fight yet. you can say it all you want but as of right now Gai is not only the most likley person to beat itachi, but hes also the only one we can PROVE will be effective against him.

if i wanted i could make apost like yours and just demand that everyone accept gai could beat him, as it stands iam notdoing that. iam INVITING you to defend you clealy unsupportable views.


We're mangareaders,we are years ahead of the anime in thought,knowledge,and insight.Asking us to defend these statements is asking to be spoiled,but this can be done in one of two ways.

1) Read the manga,then come join our discussions and debates
2)Post in the Open Discussion forum.

We are not allowed to disclose details beyond what has been shown in the anime here,thus you'll just have to settle for statements that can't be backed up in this forum for now,unless you choose one of the two options I've mentioned.

[Neji-Aniki-sama]

Originally posted by: HimizujinEternia
I sometimes feel like I'm the only person who doesn't think Itachi is cool. Simply, he's damn boring as a character. I accept that he's strong, he just doesn't seem useful for anything except to expand Sasuke's character, and bring Sasuke closer to his final purpose in the series: Villian.

You're not alone.
I *totally* agree with you, but I really don't feel like exposing the reasons why I think people like Itachi, in order not to hurt sensibilities.
I also agree with Skillz. How many more freaking threads do we need about a character who doesn't even have much autonomy?
IMO, he's there to be Sasuke's nemesis and that Naruto thing seems to be there to give him something to do, since he doesn't feel like doing everyone a favor and kill his little annoying ototo.
Besides, after watching the way he puts his hand on his hair in the wind, there's no doubt in my mind anymore that some sexual preferences run in the family.

[SK]

oh just say it because itachi is meant to be the hot guy, but who is evil. you dont have to be a manga reader to be able to think of your own theories and conclusions, which i guess chambers is unable to do. he seems to go solely by what the anime has shown so far and thats it. im one of those try and guess what will happen next type, which is the point of the show. i mean i dont read the manga but you can obviously see that itachi is the strongest so far.

[Neji-Aniki-sama]

Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
oh just say it because itachi is meant to be the hot guy, but who is evil. you dont have to be a manga reader to be able to think of your own theories and conclusions, which i guess chambers is unable to do. he seems to go solely by what the anime has shown so far and thats it. im one of those try and guess what will happen next type, which is the point of the show. i mean i dont read the manga but you can obviously see that itachi is the strongest so far.

So, let's give him a mirror where he can ask:
Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the strongest and hottest evil bishie of them all?
That sure outta keep him busy.
I take Genma over him, any time. He is handsome and looks like a man, notwithstanding.
Besides, unless you are a fish or doesn't mind the possibility of getting beaten into a shapeless pulp eventually, why hang around a psycho like him?
As for his *strategic retreats*, since they were mentioned, Kabuto does that all the time, an people call him coward, not strong. Now, that's being biased.

[Gods_Son]

The gayness or hotness of male characters seems to be a popular discussion lately, you people should make your own thread for it. Itachi being powerful makes him good to have as a partner. Both him and Kabuto retreat for good reason, but Kabuto hasn't shown nearly as much strength as Itachi.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Legendary NinWe're mangareaders,we are years ahead of the anime in thought,knowledge,and insight. Asking us to defend these statements is asking to be spoiled, but this can be done in one of two ways.

1) Read the manga,then come join our discussions and debates
2)Post in the Open Discussion forum.

We are not allowed to disclose details beyond what has been shown in the anime here,thus you'll just have to settle for statements that can't be backed up in this forum for now,unless you choose one of the two options I've mentioned.

ahhhhhhhh... nicely done legendary nin.



Originally posted by: chambers...but hes also the only one we can PROVE will be effective against him.

this makes me laugh. so... what you're saying is that gai has a proven to us that there is a way to defeat itachi. hahahahah dude, you can't apply gai's method of fighting kakashi (which is to look at the feet) to itachi. itachi even without the sharingan is many levels above kakashi. i hope you realize that gai's method is only effective against kakashi and not someone like itachi.



Originally posted by: Neji-Aniki-samaHow many more freaking threads do we need about a character who doesn't even have much autonomy?

instead of asking this, ask yourself: "how many more stupid, irrelevant posts do we need about a character's sexuality?

[r3n]

i wanna see kabutos red eyes again. that was well cool, about 50 eps ago. wonder what other cool tricks he has up his sleeve.

itachi > gai

gai is on par with kakashi so the only thing gai has as an advantage against itachi is his experience with sharingan. even his speed wouldnt be that big a problem to itachi i presume. kakashi got completely owned by itachi so gai doesnt stand a chance really. im sure itachi can do a lot more then genjutsu torture technique i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Neji-Aniki-sama
As for his *strategic retreats*, since they were mentioned, Kabuto does that all the time, an people call him coward, not strong. Now, that's being biased.

since when did people call him a coward? the only problem i have with him was how he just stood there during the whole war....but i wouldnt call him a coward

for some reason i didnt even think about it until r3n pointed it out, but kakashi and gai are practically EVEN with each other....and this is even taking gai's anti-sharingan strategy into account

if he is on even grounds against a sharingan user, then how can he beat a higher level sharingan user with his same strategy?

[SK]

exactly Gai is at the same level with Kakashi who only has one sharingan and cant even use it to full potential, plus kakashi doesnt have the body of an uchiha to be able to use the sharingan for long periods of time. now itachi can have his sharingan on all the time without to much strain on his body and also has the advantages of performing hand seals fast as hell. we also dont know if itachi uses sharingan to full potential, he can probably get even stronger, isnt that the point of that organization?

[Knives122]

Its purpose IMO is to go around collecting techniques(kind of like the rare hunters from Yugioh) they probaby do horrible things but only if it beneficial to them. So to answer your question, Yes

[SK]

retorical question

[DraGunZer0]

Man what's with all this "____ will beat Itachi" and "gai > ___" etc. Wheres the fan support for Itachi... I for one hope he kills another person in Konoha just to make the anime have more sad moments. Something like that of Haku would own ^_^ although it made me wanna cry... but thats a good thing!
And also about Itachi's "Ultimate Technique," didn't he say it was the Sharingan's ultimate technique? So wouldn't that mean he has (assuming that he has copied many other techniques) far better techniques than that 72 hours of non-stop sword stabbing. Although I like Itachi and support his evil ways, I'm a bit saddened by the fact that his "Ultimate Technique" is some lame illusion. I hope he shows a lot more chaotic techniques...

Another thing (not on Itachi but about naruto + Jiraiya), is Jiraiya really going to teach Naruto a technique stronger than Chidori? Or was he just bluffing to get Naruto to come along? I took it as a bluff but wasn't so sure.

[SK]

well he'll probably train him some more which will make him even more stronger than sasuke. and who knows when they find tsunade she might teach him a technique.

[Gods_Son]

Naruto might already be stronger than Sasuke, and you'll find out if there's a new technique for him soon enough.

[IamSpazzy]

While I thought that it was funny, what Jiraya said to Naruto, and bribing him with a new technique, does anyone think Naruto would have come along if Jiraya said that they were going to go find the next Hokage?

[Knives122]

probably not, like naruto said before "Im not gonna trust some perverted senin like you'

[Neji-Aniki-sama]

[quote]
Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
[since when did people call him a coward? the only problem i have with him was how he just stood there during the whole war....but i wouldnt call him a coward
[quote]


Oh, jesus, Kabuto *is* a despicable, fresh, doormatish coward. He also gave up on the preliminaries right of the bat.
Let's see, that's was his first strategic retreat, second at the hospital, third at the stadium and to add insult to injury, he took his time, during the last two ones, to call Kakashi inferior and mock his sharingan. If that ain't coward I don't know what is. Then again, nothing wrong with being a coward.

[SK]

the thing is when Itachi leaves it makes him look cooler and gives him more of that carefree im a badass image, since you know he can easily beat those guys anyway. when Kabuto leaves its cowardly since he is equally as strong as Kakashi which means it would be a tough fight for him.

[tensai]

if gai goes against Itachi, he would end up getting his ass beat. Say if gai can avoid the sharingan, we already saw Itachis speed, so what makes you think Itachi cant avoid Gai. Now say that IF their speeds are equal, it would be a repetitive dodging fight. Itachi can create his jutsus in a flash, so Itachi can just let Gai use up all his chakra.

back to the topic, Itachi has his motives. He scares Oro so he must be really powerful. Im wondering if they fought each other, which caused Oro to leave the organization.
after his Red Moon jutsu on Kakashi, why was he trembling/moving weird? i didnt really understand that part.

[SDShamshel]

It seems you people have forgotten that Gai is FASTER than Kakashi, even WITH Sharingan.

While Gai probably wouldn't win, I'd imagine that Gai would put up a better fight versus Itachi because Gai excels so much more at Taijutsu compared to Kakashi, and as stated, the worst match-up for the Sharingan is Taijutsu.

As for how fast Itachi is, we've seen that sort of speed from Gai as well, the kind where you don't even see him move out of the way.

Again, Gai likely would not win, but do not discount him. He may be on Kakashi's level, but he's still better equipped to fight Itachi.

[SK]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh attack of the Gai fanboys!!!!

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Neji-Aniki-sama


Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
since when did people call him a coward? the only problem i have with him was how he just stood there during the whole war....but i wouldnt call him a coward
Oh, jesus, Kabuto *is* a despicable, fresh, doormatish coward. He also gave up on the preliminaries right of the bat.
Let's see, that's was his first strategic retreat, second at the hospital, third at the stadium and to add insult to injury, he took his time, during the last two ones, to call Kakashi inferior and mock his sharingan. If that ain't coward I don't know what is. Then again, nothing wrong with being a coward.

i don't know how you can call kabuto a coward using those three incidents as a support to your argument. him giving up on the prelims is not a fair way determine whether or not he is a coward or not. his goal wasn't to win the prelims, it was to keep an eye on sasuke. and at the hospital he retreated for a reason not because he was a coward. it's foolish to start a big fight at a populated place like the hospital. also he explained why he retreated at the stadium, he doesn't want kakashi copying all of his moves so kakashi has an advantage on him. this isn't being a coward, it's called being SMART. i/expressions/light.gif

[Gods_Son]

Kabuto is clever, so he knows when to back down from a challenge. He's not being a coward, he's just doing what's best for himself. Naruto during the Demon Brothers fight or Sasuke against Orochimaru would be a better example of cowardice.

[CyberPunk]

i really don't think sasuke was a coward for trying to get out of the orochimaru fight. he was looking out for his team, and had his own reason, even if it did sound sort of stupid, "having to survive to kill itachi". also, he was the only one in the group to realize just how strong orochimaru was.

[Neji-Aniki-sama]

I don't remember saying that bravery and intelligence went together.
Those who think they do, certainly are not familiar with *any* heroic saga known to mankind.
Heros are deeply stupid, otherwise, they wouldn't be so.
Hercules, the number one among Greek heros, was dumb as a doornail.
Achilles and Siegfried are two of the bravest heros known to Western culture. Yet, both died stupid deaths worth of the idiots they were. Such deaths, however, don't change their heroic status a bit.
Ullysses, IMO, is wrongly known as hero. He is more of a trickster and and his victories where obtained through cheating and lying. I'd call him a survivor, at best. And the Greeks would only give the title of hero *after* one's death, and preferably an honored one.
Bugs Bunny, is another case of survivor. He's a trickster and will use any resources avaliable to avoid direct confrontation. By no means, a hero.
Cowards are intelligent, obviously. Who, having at least two working brain cells, would go to war or put himself in a dangerous situation for whatever reason?
Kabuto's intelligence is a fact, but that doesn't redeem him from being a despicable coward.

[Mut]

i agree with you on some points but don't forget that al those heroes you mentioned were on a 'time limit.' either they had to do it as soon as possible or everything would've went down the shitter. people like itachi and kabuto aren't pressured by time, so retreating is always an option (obviously i'd want everyone to go head on everytime cuz it's more fun that way). they are in no rush to accomplish what they are willing to do so they take their time and strategize about their next move. although they don't have all the time in the world, but they have enough to not let it force them to make their move.

[Assertn]

the act of cowardice isnt in running away from a battle though....in textbook terms it means expressing fear in the face of pain or danger

running away is just the result of the cowardice

VV oh geez, inner sakura now? we JUST got over every conceivable udon vs someone scenario too...... i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[XwingRob]

Inner Sakura will defeat Itachi.
Duuuuhhhhhh..... i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[Neji-Aniki-sama]

That's the problem. Fear.
If you know the Nibelungen Saga, you know that Notung, Siegfried's sword could only be reforged by somebody who didn't know what fear was. That's the reason Mime couldn't do it. This dwarf gives a fairly precise description of such emotion, but I digress.
Siegfried never learned what fear was, that's the main thing about him and it's repeated ad nauseam during almost all the unending hours of the operatic cycle. And, mind you, he tried to learn it many times, so he actually wasn't as stupid as I am painting him.
But not knowing fear was his undoing. People more learned on that subject know that they're better off not trusting strangers and not drinking stuff that's offered by your gf when you're not sure of what kind of mood she is in, since it may lead to stabbings in the back, as it in fact did.

[IamSpazzy]

A thought for what kind of person Itachi is. I think Itachi is probably the best duelist in Naruto's world. However in spite of his one on one prowess, he isn't the most powerful ninja in Naruto's world only because ninja's don't actually have to face each other down at high noon. Summons, having more than one ninja face off against Itachi at once, other blood limit abilities would all pose significant difficulties to Itachi.

However, in spite of the fact that Itachi can be beaten, I think his mystique is the fact that he's so good one on one, and a lot of other ninjas especially Sasake want to beat Itachi by themselves, and not part of a concerted effort. So while I think Orochimaru could beat Itachi if he planned it properly, Orochimaru is looking to beat itachi in a dueling type situtation.

Perhaps that's Itachi's real weakness. The fact that he's over reliant on his Sharingin and isn't a great tactician.

Levels are a rough measurement of one's ability and it does not guarantee one's ability to beat someone else. I think it's possible to be a high level ninja specializing in only one aspect of nin, tai, or genjitsu. No one has ever stated that you needed to be good in everything. And I think Itachi could very well weak in taijitsu, only because he's got very little need for it. As for Gai matching up well with kakashi, no one has ever said that Kakashi couldn't be smarter than Itachi, and it's Kakashi's brain more than his Sharingan that poses the greatest challenge to Gai. For all we know, they could have been fighting long before Kakashi got his sharingan

[CyberPunk]

all this speculation....
there's proof that itachi is a great tactician and leader because he was promoted to anbu CAPTAIN at the age of 13. that means he was commanding others during missions. he also killed his entire clan, a clan of sharingan users. in that clan, you would think that someone else would have mastered the sharingan and be able to see through the mange technique, right? that means itachi probably is awesome in all aspects of being a ninja. just because the anime hasn't shown his taijutsu skills, save for the kick he gave kurenai, doesn't mean he's weak in that field.

[PSJ]

Originally posted by: SDShamshel
It seems you people have forgotten that Gai is FASTER than Kakashi, even WITH Sharingan.

While Gai probably wouldn't win, I'd imagine that Gai would put up a better fight versus Itachi because Gai excels so much more at Taijutsu compared to Kakashi, and as stated, the worst match-up for the Sharingan is Taijutsu.

As for how fast Itachi is, we've seen that sort of speed from Gai as well, the kind where you don't even see him move out of the way.

Again, Gai likely would not win, but do not discount him. He may be on Kakashi's level, but he's still better equipped to fight Itachi.

soudns reasonable but gai's speed and itachi's speed are diffrent itachi got jutsu speed, he does jutsus as fast as gai moves which would make it very very hard for gai to fight since itachi can follow ga iwith the sharingan.

[chambers]

yes but if he cant guard as fast as he can punch then it becomes a no contest, if he CANNOT puch as fast as he defends himself then we have another gaara v lee match. it would all come down to stamina.

[Mut]

yeah... IF. there is no reason to believe that itachi is not as fast or faster than gai.

[chambers]

yes there is. the same way ALL other things work. if you concentrate on one thing in particular, then obvioulsy you cant be the best at something that directly counteracts that thing. gaara=stong technique weak physical, lee=strong physical weak tehcnique, sakura=strong technique (potentialy) weak physical, kakashi=strong technique weak physically, gai=stong physically weak technique. the only except to this that we have seen thus far has been naruto who uses a combination.

[Gods_Son]

If by technique, you mean ninjutsu/genjutsu and physical you mean taijutsu, then you're definately wrong. Kakashi is strong in taijutsu and ninjutsu, and Itachi is probably even better at both.

v Exactly, Gai and Lee are the only ones known to specialize in only one style v

[Mut]

man, that is not a reasonable way to think. kakashi and sasuke are not weak physically (if you meant physically = taijutsu). kakashi is probably the most well-rounded ninja we've seen so far. just because gai is weak in nin/genjutsus that doesn't mean necessarily kakashi will be weak in taijutsu. that logic can't be applied on everyone cuz there are only a few characters who are only one-dimensional (jutsu-wise) and majority of the characters are more well-rounded.

[chambers]

well how come 99% of the fighting kakshi does involves nin/genjusts as opposed to taijutsu? (ill try and use these names from now on!)
but i do admit that kakashi appears to be well rounded but you have to admit he certainly never shows his taijutsu skills.

[Gods_Son]

After his Chidori hit Haku, he used taijutsu the rest of the fight to defeat Zabuza.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: chambers
well how come 99% of the fighting kakshi does involves nin/genjusts as opposed to taijutsu? (ill try and use these names from now on!)
but i do admit that kakashi appears to be well rounded but you have to admit he certainly never shows his taijutsu skills.

ninjutsus and genjutsus are safer ways of fighting. most of the time nin and taijutsus are used as shown in almost ALL fights we've seen. and i think 99% is a bit too much, i'd say like 60-40.

[Protoss]

Itachi is badass nobody really has a chance against him sasuke will never EVER be on his level.

gai really has no chance im sorry but anyone can tell this.

(notice gai says anbu is coming to help) since he knows he going to get beaten the crap out of and probably is bluffing saying ANBU is coming just to try to scare itachi

so what gai can look at his feet... Itachi can use sharingan to copy his jutsu easily and he can see whats going on while gai can't really

[chambers]

protoss if your not going to add anything dont bother posting in the middle of the discussion. and mut@t@ i mean more of the advanced taijutsu such as the konoha whirlwind attack ect, i bet gai knows a ton of these, ans while we cna only assume that kakashi know them too (its been stated that he knows ALL of konohas techniques, plus he fights with gai a lot) however that doesnt mean he can use them correctly for to there fullest potential.

[jing]

WHAT THE F..... kakashi doesn't know all fool.
he knows over 1000. but it doesnt mean he knows all of konoha's.

[chambers]

yes he does, it has been stated ONCE that he knows ALL of konoha's attacks. its been stated many times that he knows over 1000.

[SilentSnake]

Originally posted by: Protoss
Itachi is badass nobody really has a chance against him sasuke will never EVER be on his level.

oro said that sasuke has more potential than itachi, it wouldn't make any sense if he wouldn't have...



Originally posted by: Protoss
gai really has no chance im sorry but anyone can tell this.

true... true...



Originally posted by: Protoss(notice gai says anbu is coming to help) since he knows he going to get beaten the crap out of and probably is bluffing saying ANBU is coming just to try to scare itachi

I don't think that Gai would be so naive to believe that that could scare Itachi... bluffing in that situation wouldn't make any sense, unless he knew that Itachi don't want to start a war and will leave 'em alone if hears that more shinobi's will come, we can't tell.

[jing]

HE DOESN'T KNOW ALL
DOES HE KNOW MEAT TANK NO JUTSU?
DOES HE KNOW HOW TO SEAL KYUBI?

dammit
WHAT EPISODE IS IT STATED.

[The_Fourth]

To what weve seen on the anime kakashi has prooven to be an excellent ninja, in tai, gen, and ninjutsu. Gai in the other hand has prooven to be an expert in taijutsu, while in ninjutsu or genjutsu he is not as good. My point is that only a person who masters ninjutsus, genjutsus and taijutsu will stand a chance against Itachi, but from what we have seen on the anime the only person alive capable of doing this is Jiraiya.

[chambers]

one day ill find out. it was an early ep. also have you seen kakashi perform all 1000? no you have not. therefore you dont know if he cannot do those particular attacks.

[jing]

Originally posted by: chambers
one day ill find out. it was an early ep. also have you seen kakashi perform all 1000? no you have not. therefore you dont know if he cannot do those particular attacks.

You're contradicting yourself, you've never seen him do all the 1000 jutsu's either how do you know he knows all of konoha's jutsus.
And until you can state which episode that says kakashi knows all the jutsus, then you aren't really backing up your argument. kakashi knows over 1000 but he doesnt know all.

[LostAngel]

Itachi is badass nobody really has a chance against him sasuke will never EVER be on his level.


Orchi said that he could sense power in Sasukes eyes that surpassed Itachi so naturally some how his going to prevail against all odds and become stronger. To me Itachi is kind of like Naruto and his dream of becoming Hokage. Hes there to make Sasuke want to become stronger and stronger, because you can't have 2 of the main characters both wanting to become Hokage each one needs there own story each with a different goal. So naturally he will and adventually fight him and win. Its his destiny to be beaten by Sasuke. Well thats what I think at least. If that makes any sense.. I am not good at explaining things.

[chambers]

what do you want me to do watch almost 28 hours to find one quote? i dont think so, i know it was said of him. thats how i know he knows them all.

[Protoss]

chambers shutup PERIOD

This is episode 82 discussion ill say what I want about the episode in it take ur discussion to Private msgs if you don't want to be interupted.

[jing]

Who said it? (that kakashi knows all the jutsus)
What episode?
You can't even answer any of this. You talk like you made the anime, when truth is your wrong.

[Gods_Son]

I think the 3rd Hokage was once said to have known all the jutsu in Konoha, not Kakashi. Chambers, you're definately wrong. Just drop the argument instead of making yourself look even dumber.
Itachi is powerful, but saying Sasuke will never be at his level is just stupid. His entire existence is based around killing him, he will eventually have the power to do so.

[jing]

Originally posted by: KonohamaruCorps
I think the 3rd Hokage was once said to have known all the jutsu in Konoha, not Kakashi.
Itachi is powerful, but saying Sasuke will never be at his level is just dumb. His entire existence is based around killing him, he will eventually have the power to do so.

i agree with you.
agree with Protoss as well. SC FAN.

[chambers]

yeah i know that its been said of the 3rd MANY times, but it was said of kakashi also.
and protoss do you know what a discussion is? well discuss then instead of acting like a child.

[jing]

Originally posted by: chambers
yeah i know that its been said of the 3rd MANY times, but it was said of kakashi also.
and protoss do you know what a discussion is? well discuss then instead of acting like a child.

At least, tell me who said kakashi knows all the jutsus. You don't have any proof. IS THAT A SPOILER??? DID SOMEONE SAY THAT IN THE MANGA?

because surely everyone knows that what your saying about kakashi isn't true.

[SK]

well i can now say that chambers=idiot
it has been said that Kakashi has COPIED 1000 or more jutsus, but it has NEVER been said he knows ALL of Konoha's jutsus. if you want to be obsessed with Gai fine but atleast look at the facts, there is no way Gai can beat Itachi.

[Destiny]

Surely Kakashi doesnt know all of Konoha's techniques... just mentioning the Shiki Fuujin technique proves it. Well, we dont exactly know that he doesnt know of this technique, but if Orochimaru, the technique freak, never knew about it then chances are Kakashi doesnt hav a clue.
Once again, it's impossible for Itachi to lose to Gai. It hard to even picture it happening. If it did (by some miracle) happen, it would raise a hell of a lot of questions... it just wont make any sense. Especially when Gai is only looking at the damn feet to predict his movements, it's ludacris

[originalkrn]

chambers is reminding me of a EliA.

well, i dont think kakashi knows ALL the konoha techniques, but for sure he knows 1000 or over. He doesnt know rasengan because only a few (about 3 or so) know it, as stated by Jiraiya. And Gai will not win Itachi (only because Sasuke is destined to beat itachi - seeing how that was his motive since the begining of the anime), but Gai definitely has a better chance than most ninjas in Konoha. A good thing about Naruto is that anyone can kill anyone, unlike some shows (achem* DBZ).

[Jman]

Originally posted by: chambers
what do you want me to do watch almost 28 hours to find one quote? i dont think so, i know it was said of him. thats how i know he knows them all.

NO!
At what point of the series was this mentioned that he knows ALL?
I think you should re-watch the series or just stop watching all together.



yeah i know that its been said of the 3rd MANY times, but it was said of kakashi also.
Once again, where was this stated?

[jing]

chambers. do you see now that you are wrong???? jeez just accept that you made a mistake and you need to rewatch it bcuz u couldnt get it the first time you watched it. i mean like every naruto fan has at least watched naruto's episode like twice. theres notthing wrong with it.

[chambers]

aim rewatching it right now, and untill i finish the water village part i still stand firmly behind my statement.

[Terracosmo]

Itachi rules. Though I guess the forum will explode in a big Itachi-boom now when all the anime people finally gets to see him... and with Itachi-boom I mean loads of avatars & sigs which will make his name talked asonder i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Mut]

i think chambers is awesome. i first thought he was a dumbass newb who was pulling random stuff out of his ass but i wrong. he fucking knows everything!!! i mean, listen. i consider myself a pretty big naruto fan and i've read and watched all of the manga/anime more times than i can count but i seriously do not remember reading (whether it be subtitles of the anime or just the manga) kakashi knowing all jutsus. i remember that has been said for the 3rd but never for kakashi. chambers, i seriously hope that you find out where that was said and tell us to prove us all wrong.

EDIT: LOL @ the two posts below.

[Terracosmo]

Must...resist...making...Udon...related...joke...a bout...knowing...all...jutsus...

[jing]

Good Luck finding it chambers. I guess you'll never post again because you can't find it.

[Legendary Nin]

hmmmm...A lot of us here have read every manga chapter,and watched every episode more than once.Considering the amount of members at GW,it is very likely that a detail that would put Kakashi on par with Sarutobi would've been discussed sometime.Sure Kakashi is a great ninja,but he just can't play with the big boys.

[chambers]

oh no ill still post ^_^
like it or not.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: chambers
oh no ill still post ^_^
like it or not.

so, ok. you didn't find it cuz you couldn't since it was never stated that kakashi knew all jutsus. nice try though, maybe next time. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

don't bullshit me and don't bullshit yourself. face it. you're an idiot and you're making up an excuse to hide the fact that a certain statement you were trying to prove factual was in fact was nonexistant.

[chambers]

no i didnt find it becaus eit is impossible to watch 28 hours of anime in 10 minutes and still take everything in.

[SK]

im looking forward to your gai obsessed rants

[SofaKing]

Answeres to Itachi vs. Gai nonsense:

#1 Taijitsu is strong against a sharingan user

The sharingan's weakness to taijitsu is being vastly overblown. Let's look at what the sharingan can do:

1) see through taijitsu, ninjitsu, and genjitsu
2) copy taijitsu, ninjitsu, and genjitsu
3) play mind games with the opponent

The sharingan still gives an advantage to it's user on all three points. It helps see the enemy's movements
better, can still copy taijitsu techniques (even if it requires the user to already have the speed to perform
them), and (since the user has likely used it to copy ninjitsu before) provides the user with a wide range of
ninjitsu and genjitsu to use. Furthermore, it requires the taijitsu user to not look into the sharingan user's
eyes, which would make it more difficult for them to fight.

#2 Gai is faster than Kakashi

Even if this is true (can anyone actually back this up?), it's only put Gai ahead by 1 match out of 99, so
how much of an advantage is this going to give him against Itachi? If anything, it says that Gai has to be faster
than a sharingan user just to fight evenly. And Itach is faster than Kakashi as well. Much faster.

#3 Itachi left when Gai showed up

Itachi works for a secretive organization persuing some secret goal. Fighting a huge battle with half of the
ninja in the village isn't the best way to keep a low profile. Remember, Gai said that ANBU were comming
as well.

[chambers]

iam NOT obsessed wiht gai, i dont even like him that much, i think jira is a much more interesting char, i just think that its gai up to now, thats more likley to defeat him!
espesh when jira isnt even in the village anymore!

[Legendary Nin]

The point is,you won't be able to find it,even if you watch 28 hours of Naruto.I challenge you to find the quote,I title it the..

<u>Kakashi knows every jutsu challenge!!!!</u>

Here are the rules ..

1.You must tell us who subbed the episode of Naruto you found it in.
2.You must tell us the time in which it says that.
3.You must take a screen cap of it
4.It must not be a mis-translation
5.The screen cap can't be edited except for resizing,same with the episode.

Then,someone can verify if this true.If it is true,I will allow Ciber or any mod to BAN ME!!! That's how positive I am on this not being true.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Legendary Nin
The point is,you won't be able to find it,even if you watch 28 hours of Naruto.I challenge you to find the quote,I title it the..

<u>Kakashi knows every jutsu challenge!!!!</u>

Here are the rules ..

1.You must tell us who subbed the episode of Naruto you found it in.
2.You must tell us the time in which it says that.
3.You must take a screen cap of it
4.It must not be a mis-translation
5.The screen cap can't be edited except for resizing,same with the episode.

Then,someone can verify if this true.If it is true,I will allow Ciber or any mod to BAN ME!!! That's how positive I am on this not being true.

rofl, i'm in on this deal.

[chambers]

yeah i thin kpoint 3 is mure, because no one is disputing that he was scared (or at least iam not) he left because thats what he was trying to do the whole time.
point 2 your right it cant be backed up, except if you count circumstansial evidence fomr the stadium fight which doesnt actually state hes faster but certianly implies it, also the stadium is good in that IIRC it was counted as part of there competition right? so form that we can take it that not all the competitions are actually fights, but rather some are contests between the two.
point one, you cant really say it makes it more difficult as gai is used to it. but you still have to take into account the fact that its ok if he can see and copy the moves, but if he cant defend thats the key.

and again ill state that i dont think gai is the only one who would beat him, or that he would hammer him, just that hes most likley!

[IamSpazzy]

We can be pretty sure that Kakashi doesn't know them all. I don't think he knows sexy jitsu. I don't think naruto ever pulled that one on Kakashi

[Jman]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@


Originally posted by: Legendary Nin
The point is,you won't be able to find it,even if you watch 28 hours of Naruto.I challenge you to find the quote,I title it the..

<u>Kakashi knows every jutsu challenge!!!!</u>

Here are the rules ..

1.You must tell us who subbed the episode of Naruto you found it in.
2.You must tell us the time in which it says that.
3.You must take a screen cap of it
4.It must not be a mis-translation
5.The screen cap can't be edited except for resizing,same with the episode.

Then,someone can verify if this true.If it is true,I will allow Ciber or any mod to BAN ME!!! That's how positive I am on this not being true.

rofl, i'm in on this deal.

Truly a man with no fear. Lol you guys are too much.
I wonder if anyone is going to go through hours of Naruto out of pure desperation. *cough chambers cough*

[SK]

Originally posted by: Legendary Nin
The point is,you won't be able to find it,even if you watch 28 hours of Naruto.I challenge you to find the quote,I title it the..

<u>Kakashi knows every jutsu challenge!!!!</u>

Here are the rules ..

1.You must tell us who subbed the episode of Naruto you found it in.
2.You must tell us the time in which it says that.
3.You must take a screen cap of it
4.It must not be a mis-translation
5.The screen cap can't be edited except for resizing,same with the episode.

Then,someone can verify if this true.If it is true,I will allow Ciber or any mod to BAN ME!!! That's how positive I am on this not being true.

im in im in!! how about we up to if chambers cant find the ep to back up his statements he gets banned. nvm guess you cant ban someone for being annoying.

[SofaKing]

Originally posted by: chambers
yeah i thin kpoint 3 is mure, because no one is disputing that he was scared (or at least iam not) he left because thats what he was trying to do the whole time.
point 2 your right it cant be backed up, except if you count circumstansial evidence fomr the stadium fight which doesnt actually state hes faster but certianly implies it, also the stadium is good in that IIRC it was counted as part of there competition right? so form that we can take it that not all the competitions are actually fights, but rather some are contests between the two.
point one, you cant really say it makes it more difficult as gai is used to it. but you still have to take into account the fact that its ok if he can see and copy the moves, but if he cant defend thats the key.

and again ill state that i dont think gai is the only one who would beat him, or that he would hammer him, just that hes most likley!

Even if Gai is used to it, it would still be less effective than looking at Itachi head on. And why wouldn't Itachi
be able to defend? The sharingan helps him see the attacks coming.

[chambers]

and as stated in the lee v gai fight its no use if you cant defend against them.

[Destiny]

Here's a simple solution... Itachi goes airborn somehow, kage bunshin no jutsu, comes down headfirst and suicide bombs Gai to smithereens. If Gai looks up, he's gonna see the eyes right back at him, taken to that hell pit, and be back in time to be blown up. Better yet, Itachi could just use a water jutsu while he's in the air

[Nara Tonymaru]

I personally think that if he openened gates 4-8 Gai might be able to beat Itachi, but other wise probably not, this is however speculation, and opinion, Itachi may still be able to hand his ass to him, but certainly not without a fight.

[Protoss]

Lee V Gai fight wtf when did that happen? LOL

Well I think your talking about Gaara vs Sasuke. When sasuke could see the sands movement but his body can't react fast enough so he still got hit, like against haku.

But Id say itachi is as fast as gai or faster (see how fast he got behind kakashi and kurenai?) so keeping up with gai should be no problem for him unlike sasuke who wasn't really that fast and is really dependent on his sharingan he barely even trains unlike naruto etc. Itachi looks like he trains a lot more then sasuke and other ninja's from what I can see of him so far.

[chambers]

lol
i meant the lee v sasuke
yeah but he only managed to get behind a water cloe of kakashi, and we dont know how strong kurenai is, apart form the fact specialises in genjutsu i think.

[Destiny]

The fact that he made a kage bunshin that got behind Kakashi that fast is pretty good. But Gai has similar speed, remember right after the Sasuke vs Lee battle he showd his speed; but that was in the eyes of genins, so who knows...

[originalkrn]

nvm... posted something and realized it was against rules. Sorry if anyone read it.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: chambers
lol
i meant the lee v sasuke
yeah but he only managed to get behind a water cloe of kakashi, and we dont know how strong kurenai is, apart form the fact specialises in genjutsu i think.

we know that kurenai is strong enough to become a jounin. if itachi's speed can't even be seen by a jounin, i'd say that he's god damn fast (faster than gai obviously i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif).

[SofaKing]

Answers to Itachi vs. Gai nonsense part 2

#4 The Lee vs. Sasuke fight shows what Itachi vs. Gai would be like

Sasuke was just plain weaker than Lee at the time. Just one month afterward, though, Sasuke had caught up
in terms of speed.

Point is, we know that Gai is on the same level as Kakashi, who is far weaker than Itachi. Lee, on the other
hand, was not at the same level as Sasuke (he had been a Gennin about a year longer than Sasuke). There's
no reason to think that the relative difference between Itachi and Gai is the same as that between Sasuke
and Lee, so using the Lee vs. Sasuke fight as a point of reference is absurd.

#5 But Gai can open up all 8 gates. That would give him enough power to beat Itachi.

Lee was faster than Garaa to begin with, and he still couldn't win even with 4 gates open. Eight gates would
be a larger improvement, but whereas Lee had an advantage, Gai would be coming from a disadvantage.

More importantly, primary loutus takes time to power up, and it's kind of obvious when you're doing it. The
effect also doesn't last for long, and you're finished when it's over. This means that one genjitsu from Itachi
(remember, Itachi's genjitsu counter was good enough to fool Kurenai, who is likely much more proficient
with genjitsu than Gai) could stall Gai long enough for the effect to wear off and for him to be finished. Or
Itachi could create shadow clones and hide among them. Or he could use any other of the hundreds of
techniques that he probably knows to buy 30 seconds of time. After that, Gai's finished.

[Lenas]

Itachi would win. Period. Valid reasons are all over this post.

[Mr Latency]

Originally posted by: HimizujinEternia
Spoiler!

Thank you very much for that..

Another forum that I cant trust to not contain spoilers, I think ill just give up. I have only read 2 threads in this forum and it seems something very key to the story has been ruined already, even if it was hinted at in the anime it was still one of the few things not to be ruined for me. Christ if your someone who has read the manga you have a forum to yourselves to post in, dont post manga ruiners in the sodding anime section.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Mr Latency


Originally posted by: HimizujinEternia
Spoiler!

Thank you very much for that..

Another forum that I cant trust to not contain spoilers, I think ill just give up. I have only read 2 threads in this forum and it seems something very key to the story has been ruined already, even if it was hinted at in the anime it was still one of the few things not to be ruined for me. Christ if your someone who has read the manga you have a forum to yourselves to post in, dont post manga ruiners in the sodding anime section.

well, he's an idiot. spoilers aren't allowed in the naruto anime forums. i don't think it's allowed even if you give a warning and mods can't be here 24/7. but if there was a warning, i guess it's partly your fault too =/

[Kagari]

Sigh. Manga-readers burn. Stop making these "staements" and acting all high and mighty because you're ahead in the story. we ALL have the option of reading, but some of us choose not to for various reasons. I myself want to keep the anime fresh, and I find it more exciting than reading the manga.

But that aside, guys like Legendary nin and mut@te (or however you spell it) come here and always blab "itatchi pwns PERIOD." You can't say that!!! He beat kakashi, Kurenai and Asuma....ooooooo. JOUNINS. Kakashi couldn't even face up to Orochimaru, who got beat by the Third Hokage. These are not ultra-powerful jounins, so untill he faces off against the legendary sanins, close your mouth.

[chambers]

Kagari who do you think you are? you come in here and expect people to use reason in there arguments? you expect them not to ruin the anime for you? you expect people to use common sense in there posts?

&gt;_&gt;
&lt;_&lt;

i did at first too, not any more alas............

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: chambers
Kagari who do you think you are? you come in here and expect people to use reason in there arguments?

Yes everybody, we should all be more like chambers! Use reason to back up your arguments! Facts!

*cough* Kakashi knows all Konoha jutsus *cough*

[Mut]

^lol... that was so funny when he said that...



Originally posted by: Kagari
Sigh. Manga-readers burn. Stop making these "staements" and acting all high and mighty because you're ahead in the story. we ALL have the option of reading, but some of us choose not to for various reasons. I myself want to keep the anime fresh, and I find it more exciting than reading the manga.

But that aside, guys like Legendary nin and mut@te (or however you spell it) come here and always blab "itatchi pwns PERIOD." You can't say that!!! He beat kakashi, Kurenai and Asuma....ooooooo. JOUNINS. Kakashi couldn't even face up to Orochimaru, who got beat by the Third Hokage. These are not ultra-powerful jounins, so untill he faces off against the legendary sanins, close your mouth.

i never acted all high and mighty because i'm ahead of the story. i've provided support ONLY from the anime, and i still managed to pove my points. yeah, we have better knowledge (basically manga knowledge) than most of you guys but we never brought any of that up because we can't spoil. and we just didn't say 'itachi owns period,' we backed up our reasoning with solid supports. and since you bring up the legendary sanins, how about i bring this up? orochimaru stating that he fears itachi should be enough to tell us that itachi has A LOT more powerful than you want to believe. so... mouth = not closed. thx i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[SK]

HEY dont let chambers dumbass get ya'll in a fight... i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[Mr Latency]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
well, he's an idiot. spoilers aren't allowed in the naruto anime forums. i don't think it's allowed even if you give a warning and mods can't be here 24/7. but if there was a warning, i guess it's partly your fault too =/

Hmm, ill give it another try, Hiroshi is my mate at college and recommended this site.




Originally posted by: Mut@t@
i never acted all high and mighty because i'm ahead of the story. i've provided support ONLY from the anime, and i still managed to pove my points. yeah, we have better knowledge (basically manga knowledge) than most of you guys but we never brought any of that up because we can't spoil.

I think he was referring to the guy who posted a spoiler with no warning near the start of the thread.

[jing]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
^lol... that was so funny when he said that...



Originally posted by: Kagari
Sigh. Manga-readers burn. Stop making these "staements" and acting all high and mighty because you're ahead in the story. we ALL have the option of reading, but some of us choose not to for various reasons. I myself want to keep the anime fresh, and I find it more exciting than reading the manga.

But that aside, guys like Legendary nin and mut@te (or however you spell it) come here and always blab "itatchi pwns PERIOD." You can't say that!!! He beat kakashi, Kurenai and Asuma....ooooooo. JOUNINS. Kakashi couldn't even face up to Orochimaru, who got beat by the Third Hokage. These are not ultra-powerful jounins, so untill he faces off against the legendary sanins, close your mouth.

i never acted all high and mighty because i'm ahead of the story. i've provided support ONLY from the anime, and i still managed to pove my points. yeah, we have better knowledge (basically manga knowledge) than most of you guys but we never brought any of that up because we can't spoil. and we just didn't say 'itachi owns period,' we backed up our reasoning with solid supports. and since you bring up the legendary sanins, how about i bring this up? orochimaru stating that he fears itachi should be enough to tell us that itachi has A LOT more powerful than you want to believe. so... mouth = not closed. thx i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif


It's true Orochimaru said it clearly that he fears Itachi in the anime.

[MemnochTheCaT]

Itachi is pretty powerful, but we haven't seen all that much out of him yet .. and as he is the plot tool of Sasuke, it is almost certain that he will be a low-level enemy compared to as-yet unintroduced characters.

[chambers]

so iam sure theres things your scared of but that you wouldnt consider to be more powerfull/stronger than you. and as ive said many MANY times before, just because oro who from what we have seen is 100% jujitsu/genjitsu based think she cannot beat itachi doesnt mean someone of equal level but of differing ability cannot.

EDIT: also thinking abotu it oro's reason for not wanting to fight against him could be the fear of a suprior sharingan user, i mean its pretty obvious that his only advantage is the amount of jujitsu/genjitsu oro knows, perhaps he doesnt want to give that advantage up?

[Jman]

Originally posted by: chambers
so iam sure theres things your scared of but that you wouldnt consider to be more powerfull/stronger than you. and as ive said many MANY times before, just because oro who from what we have seen is 100% jujitsu/genjitsu based think she cannot beat itachi doesnt mean someone of equal level but of differing ability cannot.

EDIT: also thinking abotu it oro's reason for not wanting to fight against him could be the fear of a suprior sharingan user, i mean its pretty obvious that his only advantage is the amount of jujitsu/genjitsu oro knows, perhaps he doesnt want to give that advantage up?

Oro has already acknowledged the fact that he fears Itachi, to me, this is an indication that he knows he can't beat him.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: chambers
so iam sure theres things your scared of but that you wouldnt consider to be more powerfull/stronger than you. and as ive said many MANY times before, just because oro who from what we have seen is 100% jujitsu/genjitsu based think she cannot beat itachi doesnt mean someone of equal level but of differing ability cannot.

EDIT: also thinking abotu it oro's reason for not wanting to fight against him could be the fear of a suprior sharingan user, i mean its pretty obvious that his only advantage is the amount of jujitsu/genjitsu oro knows, perhaps he doesnt want to give that advantage up?

jujitsu? i'm assuming that you mean ninjutsu. and as you saw, he isn't 100% nin/genjutsu based, he did use taijutsu on the 3rd and he used it against sasuke in the forst of the death. and orochimaru is a HE. and tell me who is on par with orochimaru? jiraiya? tsunade? it has been said that orochimaru was the most talented out of the sannins that's why he was supposed to be the one to become yondaime but he wasn't chosen because of his idealogies.

[jing]

Originally posted by: chambers
so iam sure theres things your scared of but that you wouldnt consider to be more powerfull/stronger than you. and as ive said many MANY times before, just because oro who from what we have seen is 100% jujitsu/genjitsu based think she cannot beat itachi doesnt mean someone of equal level but of differing ability cannot.

EDIT: also thinking abotu it oro's reason for not wanting to fight against him could be the fear of a suprior sharingan user, i mean its pretty obvious that his only advantage is the amount of jujitsu/genjitsu oro knows, perhaps he doesnt want to give that advantage up?

Why did you think oro didn't get the sharingans off Itachi? because hes too damn strong for him. I don't think you would fear something if you can overcome it......

[Mr Latency]

Why do people keep saying Orochi fears Itachi? In the SO sub he just says Itachi is stronger than him. I think orochi tried to take on Itachi, lost and thats why he dropped out of the organisation. He isnt the kind of guy to be scared, even when Hokage 3rd is pulling his soul out he is laughing. He wants Sasuke as he now knows the power of Sharingan and knows it is the only way to defeat Itachi, who most likely is a man who hurts Orochi's ego being the only man(to my knowledge) who can take him on. Having the sharingan would make Orochi's goal to horde all jutsu a lot easier too...

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Mr Latency
Why do people keep saying Orochi fears Itachi? In the SO sub he just says Itachi is stronger than him. I think orochi tried to take on Itachi, lost and thats why he dropped out of the organisation. He isnt the kind of guy to be scared, even when Hokage 3rd is pulling his soul out he is laughing. He wants Sasuke as he now knows the power of Sharingan and knows it is the only way to defeat Itachi, who most likely is a man who hurts Orochi's ego being the only man(to my knowledge) who can take him on. Having the sharingan would make Orochi's goal to horde all jutsu a lot easier too...

because people don't use SO subs as my reference since they've been known to be inaccurate when it comes to translating. i use AA and mainly the manga (inane translation).

[SK]

Originally posted by: chambers
so iam sure theres things your scared of but that you wouldnt consider to be more powerfull/stronger than you. and as ive said many MANY times before, just because oro who from what we have seen is 100% jujitsu/genjitsu based think she cannot beat itachi doesnt mean someone of equal level but of differing ability cannot.

EDIT: also thinking abotu it oro's reason for not wanting to fight against him could be the fear of a suprior sharingan user, i mean its pretty obvious that his only advantage is the amount of jujitsu/genjitsu oro knows, perhaps he doesnt want to give that advantage up?

i didnt really understand your post, but oro is a he, and its ninjutsu not juijitsu. and you do know when ninjas fight hand to hand 98.9999999% of the time theyre using taijutsu. oro was the strongest of the 3, thats why he was a candidate to be the 4th. the only reason oro would have to fear someone else is because they have the ability to kill him, which itachi has. i mean, oro wouldent be scared of someone for no reason...

[Legendary Nin]

I didn't see any spoilers,I think some of you are looking too hard for them.Yes we have our own forum,but you also have your own.No one is stopping you from coming over to the manga section,and no one ever will.I was an anime watcher before a mangareader.I don't regret reading the manga now,and I never will.I come here to see things from an anime only perspective.No we don't try to act all high and mighty,but you being a colege student,it's like arguing with your professor over something you know nothing about.In this situation we are like the professors in a sense,since we've read the textbooks(manga) which holds more knowledge.Though your always welcome to read them,and were always willing to give them.I just wanted ti open more doors to Naruto,and done so by reading the manga.

[chambers]

okay then s-k why are people scared of spiders? or to use a more aplicable idea why si naruto scared of being alone?

iam not syaing that it IS, but iam saying it could be that oro is scared that itachi would steal his techniques. maybe oro wants sasuke so he can counter the sharingan and he wount be able to.

[SK]

Originally posted by: chambers
okay then s-k why are people scared of spiders? or to use a more aplicable idea why si naruto scared of being alone?

iam not syaing that it IS, but iam saying it could be that oro is scared that itachi would steal his techniques. maybe oro wants sasuke so he can counter the sharingan and he wount be able to.

WOHOOO another retarted response from the local idiot chambers. why are people scared of spiders? easy, did you know, that some spiders have poison, and can kill you!!! and did you know there are even spiders as big as a plate that eat birds and monkeys!!! and did you know even spiders that arent deadly bite, which result in bites worse than mosquito bites!!! and to your second point, i dont see the relevance, theres a big difference between being scared of something physically, and scared of something psychilogically.
EDIT: ever hear of arachnephobia? pschological fear of spiders. and i dont know about the UK, but in florida we have black widows. i said it wasnt relevant, because we were discussing oro's fear of itachi because he knows itachi can defeat him, so, i didnt see the point of mentioning naruto's pschological fear of being alone.

[chambers]

sk- dont be ignorant all your life mate, its quite clear that people are scared of spiders not because they bite or are have venom, as in the UK there isnt a SINGLE venomous spider OR one that will inflict any kind of pain, in the wild so why are people scared of them? eh? answer me that? i bet its not cos they think it will defeat them!!!
also if you dont see the relevance then you are clearly dense, there is no distinction given (in the anime at least) of what kind of fear oro has or why he has it, he merely states itachi is stronger than oro, just because someone is stronger is no need to fear them, he fought the 3rd with no fear.

so like i said dont just ignore the fact because they dont agree wiht your narrow minded incredulous idiotc views. and stop flaming me for no reason what so ever, i only do it in response to all your flames.

[jing]

Of course oro fought 3rd with no fear, because he believes he won't lose.
he fears itachi, because itachi has the ability to totally own his ass.

[SofaKing]

Originally posted by: chambers
sk- dont be ignorant all your life mate, its quite clear that people are scared of spiders not because they bite or are have venom, as in the UK there isnt a SINGLE venomous spider OR one that will inflict any kind of pain, in the wild so why are people scared of them? eh? answer me that? i bet its not cos they think it will defeat them!!!
also if you dont see the relevance then you are clearly dense, there is no distinction given (in the anime at least) of what kind of fear oro has or why he has it, he merely states itachi is stronger than oro, just because someone is stronger is no need to fear them, he fought the 3rd with no fear.

so like i said dont just ignore the fact because they dont agree wiht your narrow minded incredulous idiotc views. and stop flaming me for no reason what so ever, i only do it in response to all your flames.

That's incredibly stupid.

There is no such thing as Itachnophobia. If the creator of Naruto went out of his way to show that Oro was
afraid of Itachi just as Itachi was being introduced to the series, then it's not because Oro has a pathological
fear of him, it's to get the point across that Itachi is that strong.

[Mut]

man... chambers. i seriously don't understand how you are capable of coming up with such concepts and ideas. and some of your responses are complete garbage as a result of over-analysis.

read this:


Originally posted by: SofaKing
If the creator of Naruto went out of his way to show that Oro was
afraid of Itachi just as Itachi was being introduced to the series, then it's not because Oro has a pathological
fear of him, it's to get the point across that Itachi is that strong.
this is the sentence that should've gotten your attention: it's to get the point across that Itachi is that strong.

ok, chambers?

it's just amazing how some people are able to get up in the morning and not choke themselves with the toothbrush while brushing their teeth. i'm just astounded.

EDIT:


Originally posted by: Legendary Nin
I didn't see any spoilers,I think some of you are looking too hard for them.Yes we have our own forum,but you also have your own.No one is stopping you from coming over to the manga section,and no one ever will.I was an anime watcher before a mangareader.I don't regret reading the manga now,and I never will.I come here to see things from an anime only perspective.No we don't try to act all high and mighty,but you being a colege student,it's like arguing with your professor over something you know nothing about.In this situation we are like the professors in a sense,since we've read the textbooks(manga) which holds more knowledge.Though your always welcome to read them,and were always willing to give them.I just wanted ti open more doors to Naruto,and done so by reading the manga.

awesome. well said and i totally agree.

[Destiny]

Originally posted by: chambers
sk- dont be ignorant all your life mate, its quite clear that people are scared of spiders not because they bite or are have venom, as in the UK there isnt a SINGLE venomous spider OR one that will inflict any kind of pain, in the wild so why are people scared of them? eh? answer me that? i bet its not cos they think it will defeat them!!!
also if you dont see the relevance then you are clearly dense, there is no distinction given (in the anime at least) of what kind of fear oro has or why he has it, he merely states itachi is stronger than oro, just because someone is stronger is no need to fear them, he fought the 3rd with no fear.

so like i said dont just ignore the fact because they dont agree wiht your narrow minded incredulous idiotc views. and stop flaming me for no reason what so ever, i only do it in response to all your flames.

I realise what point your trying to get across, but like SofaKing said "There's no such thing as Itachinophobia". Obviously if Orochi fears Itachi, then he's on a higher level. Keep in mind that Itachi is not a bug that can just be squished if Orochi overcomes the fear, they're both human on different levels, Itachi is on the higher level.
It's like you're trying to say a strong guy can win against a regular guy holding a machine gun. Even if the big guy aint scared of the gun, he's gonna get gibbed to bits. I honestly dont know how or why you come up with such nonesense all the time...

[chambers]

of course theres no defiined word like itachiphobia, but that doesnt mean that psycologically people cant be scared of fighting him. i bet we will see some thing similar in kakshi/asume/kurenai now they have felt or been present to feel the effects of one of/itachis best attack.

the very fact that itachit technique exsists should be enough to provide fear enough for anyone to NOT want to fight him, i mean imagine your oro fighting some dude one day, then this punk itachi comes aslong locks eyes with him, and thats it. the fights over. oro's like wtf? itachi explains what just happend, oro thinks to himself "**** me. i dont know this technique, and i cant counter it, maybe i can fight after it but do i want to even experince it?". the 1st times he asks that is when the fear starts to creep in, doubting himself.

iam not doubting that itachi could well (and all sources point to yes) be stronger than oro, but i just dont think hes scared of the power, more frightend of the technique. it would make MUCH more sense.

@ people who think that he said that to show the stregnth of itachi, i thought the fighting did that.

[Mr Latency]

EDIT:


Originally posted by: Legendary Nin
I didn't see any spoilers,I think some of you are looking too hard for them.Yes we have our own forum,but you also have your own.No one is stopping you from coming over to the manga section,and no one ever will.I was an anime watcher before a mangareader.I don't regret reading the manga now,and I never will.I come here to see things from an anime only perspective.No we don't try to act all high and mighty,but you being a colege student,it's like arguing with your professor over something you know nothing about.In this situation we are like the professors in a sense,since we've read the textbooks(manga) which holds more knowledge.Though your always welcome to read them,and were always willing to give them.I just wanted ti open more doors to Naruto,and done so by reading the manga.

Unfortunately I DID see a bad spoiler, maybe because you have already read the manga you don't notice them so easily. I wasnt looking hard for it all, I was casually reading through the forum, paying attention to what you read as people do and ran into a post which invariably ruins a key aspect of the story upon reading it. Also I don't get what you are saying.... How does the fact that we are free to go over to the Manga forum and find out things for ourselves justify people coming to the anime forum from the manga forum and ruining it for others? You make it clear that the anime forum is our own, yes, so technically should it not be free of manga spoilers as the rules state? There is no arguing that.



Originally posted by: Mut@nt
because people don't use SO subs as my reference since they've been known to be inaccurate when it comes to translating. i use AA and mainly the manga (inane translation).

Orochi says strong, I have heard that word more than enough times in japanese to recognise it easily.

[Garlannd]

I hate spiders those things are freakin creepy. One time there was this big hairy one that was crawling towards me it was lke the size of my fist when its legs were xtended out. So I killed it by impailing it on a stick. Then all out of a sudden like 50000000 baby spiders, very smell but still very creepy, come pouring off its back. The thing was carrying all its friggin children on it. I almost puked in disgust. Not only was it ugly but man thats just wrong.

Any who yea itachi is super strong there is no itachi phobia, however there is a phobia for fear of hobos, I forgot what its called and fear of female reproductive system. I forgot what thats called but its not xygophobia lol.

Sure Itachi is a scary guy but thats cuz hes strong and evil.

The lesson of the day is: Spiders are creepy as hell thus arachniphobia and lots of millions upon millions of small errie little baby spiders riding on mommy's back. Itachi is just evil thus no itachi phobia.. Sure there is a general fear of him but he isnt that scary.

Chambers, you're a dumbass that simple.

If it had been a year since ELIA I'd give you the ELIA award. Please read below actual quote text.

[SofaKing]

Originally posted by: chambers
of course theres no defiined word like itachiphobia, but that doesnt mean that psycologically people cant be scared of fighting him. i bet we will see some thing similar in kakshi/asume/kurenai now they have felt or been present to feel the effects of one of/itachis best attack.

the very fact that itachit technique exsists should be enough to provide fear enough for anyone to NOT want to fight him, i mean imagine your oro fighting some dude one day, then this punk itachi comes aslong locks eyes with him, and thats it. the fights over. oro's like wtf? itachi explains what just happend, oro thinks to himself "**** me. i dont know this technique, and i cant counter it, maybe i can fight after it but do i want to even experince it?". the 1st times he asks that is when the fear starts to creep in, doubting himself.

iam not doubting that itachi could well (and all sources point to yes) be stronger than oro, but i just dont think hes scared of the power, more frightend of the technique. it would make MUCH more sense.

@ people who think that he said that to show the stregnth of itachi, i thought the fighting did that.

No, it wouldn't make any sense at all.

Characters in a TV show have a reason for everything they say. Characterization, setting the mood, comic
effect, to express the theme of the show, etc. Their lines are deliberately written. They don't just randomly
spout off.

The point the series we're talking about is when Itachi is introduced. So, to help introduce him, Oro is shown
saying the he fears Itachi. This is meant to provide information about Itach, namely, that he's stronger than
Oro.

[Assertn]

phobias are psychological characteristics....sometimes people have them for no explained reason.......like a fear of a certain color, for example.....but a phobia is a condition that groups of people are diagnosed with, a person cant have a phobia of a certain other person...it just doesnt happen.

Now if in the naruto world there was a phobia for people with sharingan eyes, then i suppose that could work. But that wouldnt explain why orochimaru is so interested in sasuke though.

[Garlannd]

Yea course we all know he wants the eyes. Imagine how easy it would be to copy every technique out there with them. Not to mention they look sexy compared to those byuuken

[SK]

Originally posted by: chambers
the very fact that itachit technique exsists should be enough to provide fear enough for anyone to NOT want to fight him, i mean imagine your oro fighting some dude one day, then this punk itachi comes aslong locks eyes with him, and thats it. the fights over. oro's like wtf? itachi explains what just happend, oro thinks to himself "**** me. i dont know this technique, and i cant counter it, maybe i can fight after it but do i want to even experince it?". the 1st times he asks that is when the fear starts to creep in, doubting himself.

iam not doubting that itachi could well (and all sources point to yes) be stronger than oro, but i just dont think hes scared of the power, more frightend of the technique. it would make MUCH more sense.

thinks for proving my point you fucking retard. your saying oro could be scared because he has heard of itachi's sharingan techniques, which is the same thing as oro being afraid of him because he KNOWS itachi can defeat him. itachi's techniques are PART of his power! thats not even a hard concept to understand, but for an idiot like you i guess it is. chambers you contradict yourself so much its funny.

[DrunkPotHead]

Am I missing something? Can some1 please provide the episode number and the exact time in the ANBU&amp;AONE translation where it was said that Orochimaru is the strongest of the 3 Sannins?

[Mut]

Originally posted by: DrunkPotHead
Am I missing something? Can some1 please provide the episode number and the exact time in the ANBU&amp;AONE translation where it was said that Orochimaru is the strongest of the 3 Sannins?

i don't think it ever said he was the strongest, but i think it was said he was the most talented out of the three... which was the reason why the 3rd was gonna choose for him yondaime but didn't cuz of orochimaru's ideaologies.

EDIT: response to below:

their attitudes and personality are similar but i don't see any similarities in terms of jutsus and talent. all of the three sanins were talented, jiraiya just happened to be a goofy, yet talented, clown.

[DrunkPotHead]

Sasuke is the most talented, yet naruto is the strongest, and as we saw earlier, jiraiya, tsunade, and oro are equated witht he sasuke, sakura, naruto trio.

So orochimaru may be the most talented (knows the most techniques) while jirayia may be the strongest.

[tuggumkee]

Knowing that Itachi owns Gai in every aspect and maybe Gai is equal to Itachi in Taijutsu.

However i think there still is one slim chance that Gai would defeat Itachi, and that would be with the 8 seals.

It's been brought up before(sorry i forgot who said it) that Lee vs Gaara, Lee with 4 gates wasn't enough to defeat Gaara. However this is because Lee was using the gates not to protect anyone, but instead for his own personal gain(meaning he wanted to actually live after he used them)

Remember that Kishimoto(spelling?) has one of the main themes as <u>protecting those you love</u>.

So if the chance ever did happen that Gai did fight itachi, and Gai opened the 8 gates, he'd probably lose anyway. Itachi would see the dramatic rise in chakra/ power and probably retreat.

The only chance Gai would ever have of beating(this is the one slim chance i spoke of) Itachi is if he had a lapse of stupidity and thought that Gai wasn't going to sacrifice his life fighting Itachi.

If Itachi had a lapse of judgement and believed that Gai would try to survive the encounter, and Gai was successful in opening up the 8 gates, THEN i think Gai has a chance of beating Itachi.

But thats all speculation.

A side note, i think that Orochimaru feared Itachi because of the fact that Itachi could copy all of Orochimaru's jutsus. Jiraya however isn't a genius, and instead just has massive amounts of chakra.

Orochimaru was a candidate for hokage with the fourth because they were well rounded ninjas, while Jiraya is not really ninja like, he's more power than finess.

It's important to understand the differences in Orochimaru and Jiraya's styles in considering Jiraya fighting against Itachi. I dont have any idea who would win in a Jiraya vs Itachi battle because their style is essentially different, though Itachi could copy Jiraya's moves, Jiraya most likely has much more chakra than Itachi.

But then again Jiraya doesn't seem to be very fast, i'm sure Itachi could just pop up and stab Jiraya or somthing(but that would be horribly anti-climatic)

[Jchiang87]

how do you know anything about how jiraiya fights

he hasn't done anything yet except summon toads.

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: tuggumkee
Knowing that Itachi owns Gai in every aspect and maybe Gai is equal to Itachi in Taijutsu.

However i think there still is one slim chance that Gai would defeat Itachi, and that would be with the 8 seals.

It's been brought up before(sorry i forgot who said it) that Lee vs Gaara, Lee with 4 gates wasn't enough to defeat Gaara. However this is because Lee was using the gates not to protect anyone, but instead for his own personal gain(meaning he wanted to actually live after he used them)

Remember that Kishimoto(spelling?) has one of the main themes as <u>protecting those you love</u>.

So if the chance ever did happen that Gai did fight itachi, and Gai opened the 8 gates, he'd probably lose anyway. Itachi would see the dramatic rise in chakra/ power and probably retreat.

The only chance Gai would ever have of beating(this is the one slim chance i spoke of) Itachi is if he had a lapse of stupidity and thought that Gai wasn't going to sacrifice his life fighting Itachi.

If Itachi had a lapse of judgement and believed that Gai would try to survive the encounter, and Gai was successful in opening up the 8 gates, THEN i think Gai has a chance of beating Itachi.


But thats all speculation.

A side note, i think that Orochimaru feared Itachi because of the fact that Itachi could copy all of Orochimaru's jutsus. Jiraya however isn't a genius, and instead just has massive amounts of chakra.

Orochimaru was a candidate for hokage with the fourth because they were well rounded ninjas, while Jiraya is not really ninja like, he's more power than finess.

It's important to understand the differences in Orochimaru and Jiraya's styles in considering Jiraya fighting against Itachi. I dont have any idea who would win in a Jiraya vs Itachi battle because their style is essentially different, though Itachi could copy Jiraya's moves, Jiraya most likely has much more chakra than Itachi.

But then again Jiraya doesn't seem to be very fast, stab i'm sure Itachi could just pop up behind Jiraya and stab him or somthing(but that would be horribly anti-climatic)





Dont talk like you know everything about Jiraya! Nobody know how fast or how strong he really cause we havent seen hardly anything of his moves.

The dummest thing i have ever heard is that Jiraya a leagendry nin who was the 4 hogakes sensei would die from a stab from behind.

Hole your post is full of nonsense!

Also just because Oro was considred a hogakes canditate 10 years ago or so doesnt mean he is better than Jiraya now. Its not just a nins powers that make him a hogakes canditate.

[Gods_Son]

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
Also just because Oro was considred a hogakes canditate 10 years ago or so doesnt mean he is better than Jiraya now. Its not just a nins powers that make him a hogakes canditate.
The main reason Oro would be chosen for Hokage would be because of his power. Jiraiya is probably at the same level as Oro when he fought the 3rd, which is still under Itachi. This doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a dangerous fight for Itachi though.

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: KonohamaruCorps


Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
Also just because Oro was considred a hogakes canditate 10 years ago or so doesnt mean he is better than Jiraya now. Its not just a nins powers that make him a hogakes canditate.
The main reason Oro would be chosen for Hokage would be because of his power. Jiraiya is probably at the same level as Oro when he fought the 3rd, which is still under Itachi. This doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a dangerous fight for Itachi though.



Itachi havent done anything that makes me believe that he would win for sure agianst Jiraya.

When they fight eachother for real we will who is stronger.

Oro would lose agianst Itachi cause he is a justsu freak but Jiraya doesnt seem that kind of a ninja,we will surely see who is stronger since he is protecting Naruto who is chased by Itachi.

[Knives122]

Jiraya's old team is just like Narutos team now(except for maybe Sakura and Tsunade), and since Naruto became stronger than Sasuke, that means that Jiraya became more powerfull the Oro, that means that Jiraya would probably beat Itachi

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Knives122
Jiraya's old team is just like Narutos team now(except for maybe Sakura and Tsunade), and since Naruto became stronger than Sasuke, that means that Jiraya became more powerfull the Oro, that means that Jiraya would probably beat Itachi

that's probably one of the most illogical and unreasonable way to put a correlation between the two teams. you can't say this person is this therefor he can do that by using another team as an example.

jiraiya's team doesn't share any similarities in terms of talent from each member of their respective teams. sakura sucks, tsunade doesn't (she got one of the bells). jiraiya and orochimaru were both talented. that's why they became the legenday sannins. sasuke and naruto couldn't even get the bells. but they do share similarities in terms of relationships, but not in talent and skill.

[Assertn]

people tend to forget that it takes more than just determination to exceed someone who is stronger......like a demon fox, for example....

[chambers]

ur new sig, sheer class.

[MemnochTheCaT]

Heheh the anime Itachi thread i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif I kinda thought there would be more reaction in the anime side of things, but Itachi is kind of .. underwhelming .. compared to the hype.

[Mut]

the itachi thread in the manga forum destroys this one.

[MemnochTheCaT]

Lol you're not kidding there!

[Snidely]

Originally posted by: Neji-Aniki-sama
I don't remember saying that bravery and intelligence went together...
Cowards are intelligent, obviously. Who, having at least two working brain cells, would go to war or put himself in a dangerous situation for whatever reason?
Kabuto's intelligence is a fact, but that doesn't redeem him from being a despicable coward.

Kabuto has been confidant in all his confrontations so far. That's not cowardice. Cowardice is acting out of fear; it has nothing to do with intelligence, but self-preservation.

You've read the manga, so you know that he proves he isn't a coward by his future actions.

Anyway. I'm one of those who finds Itachi to be uninteresting. Don't get me wrong, his psychic technique is ultra cool, but he's not pulling his weight. He could have wiped out Kakashi and co. before Gai even got there. I won't get into the Jai. vs Itachi fight since it hasn't happened just yet, but I don't particularly like the outcome of that, either.

I like Oro as a villian because I can believe his motivation. For someone who seems to be so eager to test out his might, Itachi seems to hold back his power and withdraw an awful lot.

I'm more interested to see a fight between fish-face and whoever he ends up going against. He's obviously a sadist, and his sword's power to absorb chakra might make for a good fight.

[Gods_Son]

Orochimaru's time is over, we already had an in depth look at him and his ambitions. Itachi's motives and reasoning really hasn't been revealed, there could be more to him.

[Snidely]

There could, but it'll take a lot of work to make it as convincing as Oro. Itachi had plenty of time to take what he wanted, and I'm still not convinced about the showdown in Konoha, or even walking around with a damn bell on his hat.

(It all looked very cool, though.)

[shinichi69]

yea... itachi has been secretive and kept a tight lid on what he wanted with naruto... the mystery that surround him is simply so cool... =)

[jing]

what suddenly made you want to post in a thread that nobody posted for 4 months shinichi69....... jeez. at least put something important and not repeated.

[shinichi69]

hahaz... probably this can refresh the thread and probably revive it... lol... must we always say important things? how many impt things can there probably be? the topic is stale already... hahaz... chill...

[Souryusen]

Originally posted by: shinichi69
post count + 1

Wit, it's what's for dinner.

[chambers]

the reason this thread is nothign compared to the manga version of it, is because people like mutata refuse to accept any lee way in any logical thinking, or theorys that have been shot down in the manga already are dismissed by a "thats stupid. no. just no" kind of attitude even tho such things shouldnt be allowedpeople who read the manga should post in the manga forum ALL the time and leave the people who dont read the anime to themselves. shooting down theorys and discussions abotu the anime should NOT be allowed. and some people (although i havent seen it happen for a while as not many situations have arisen in the anime recentley) need to learn that when an anime reader says "i really want to know what will happen" they almost certainly dont mean it litrally.

on topic howver i REALLY want to know who the guy on the top of the telephone post was in sasukes little flashback. you clearly see that the person is viewd.....THEN the sequence for mangekyou sharingan boots up and the figure is gone. for all we know the vision of itachi standing above his dead parents could be compeltely fictional....to what end? who knows!

[jing]

Originally posted by: chambers
the reason this thread is nothign compared to the manga version of it, is because people like mutata refuse to accept any lee way in any logical thinking, or theorys that have been shot down in the manga already are dismissed by a "thats stupid. no. just no" kind of attitude even tho such things shouldnt be allowedpeople who read the manga should post in the manga forum ALL the time and leave the people who dont read the anime to themselves. shooting down theorys and discussions abotu the anime should NOT be allowed. and some people (although i havent seen it happen for a while as not many situations have arisen in the anime recentley) need to learn that when an anime reader says "i really want to know what will happen" they almost certainly dont mean it litrally.

on topic howver i REALLY want to know who the guy on the top of the telephone post was in sasukes little flashback. you clearly see that the person is viewd.....THEN the sequence for mangekyou sharingan boots up and the figure is gone. for all we know the vision of itachi standing above his dead parents could be compeltely fictional....to what end? who knows!

wtf are u saying.
How about smart manga readers get an "Intelligent" forum, and idiot anime watchers like you go to an "Idiot" forum.

[Assertn]

believe it or not, the manga forum is more overrun by noobs and idiots than the anime forum

[Gods_Son]

Originally posted by: chambers
the reason this thread is nothign compared to the manga version of it, is because people like mutata refuse to accept any lee way in any logical thinking, or theorys that have been shot down in the manga already are dismissed by a "thats stupid. no. just no" kind of attitude even tho such things shouldnt be allowedpeople who read the manga should post in the manga forum ALL the time and leave the people who dont read the anime to themselves. shooting down theorys and discussions abotu the anime should NOT be allowed. and some people (although i havent seen it happen for a while as not many situations have arisen in the anime recentley) need to learn that when an anime reader says "i really want to know what will happen" they almost certainly dont mean it litrally.

on topic howver i REALLY want to know who the guy on the top of the telephone post was in sasukes little flashback. you clearly see that the person is viewd.....THEN the sequence for mangekyou sharingan boots up and the figure is gone. for all we know the vision of itachi standing above his dead parents could be compeltely fictional....to what end? who knows!

Your theories are just dumb, it has nothing to do with him being a manga reader.

[chambers]

wtf am i saying? i thought it was pretty fuckin obvious. if someone said during the exam arc "rock lee will make it to the final, we know this because he can beat sasuke ans hes the top rookie on that year!!!" a manga read would instantley reply with the phrase "not possible" or some similar non logical rebuff JUST becuase they have read the manga and KNOW what happens. and how are manga readers as a whole smart because they seem to be the underclass in terms of intelligence to me as they cant even understand the words NO SPOILERS and you cant even understand that quit fucking simple post i made earlier, i wasnt insulting ANYONE i was just saying thats the way it is, now quit being a fuckin asshole READ what i said instead of just jumping to conclusions and getting defensive for no good reason.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Originally posted by: jing


Originally posted by: chambers
the reason this thread is nothign compared to the manga version of it, is because people like mutata refuse to accept any lee way in any logical thinking, or theorys that have been shot down in the manga already are dismissed by a "thats stupid. no. just no" kind of attitude even tho such things shouldnt be allowedpeople who read the manga should post in the manga forum ALL the time and leave the people who dont read the anime to themselves. shooting down theorys and discussions abotu the anime should NOT be allowed. and some people (although i havent seen it happen for a while as not many situations have arisen in the anime recentley) need to learn that when an anime reader says "i really want to know what will happen" they almost certainly dont mean it litrally.

on topic howver i REALLY want to know who the guy on the top of the telephone post was in sasukes little flashback. you clearly see that the person is viewd.....THEN the sequence for mangekyou sharingan boots up and the figure is gone. for all we know the vision of itachi standing above his dead parents could be compeltely fictional....to what end? who knows!

wtf are u saying.
How about smart manga readers get an "Intelligent" forum, and idiot anime watchers like you go to an "Idiot" forum.

Smart manga readers? After I got tired of waiting I just recently read the manga......but I don't feel any smarter. And apparently all of us who watch the anime are idiots now too. What are the people who do both jing? Anyway this is the ANIME forum. So maybe you and your smart manga readers should go back to the MANGA forum. Idiot.

[jing]

Smart manga readers? After I got tired of waiting I just recently read the manga......but I don't feel any smarter. And apparently all of us who watch the anime are idiots now too. What are the people who do both jing? Anyway this is the ANIME forum. So maybe you and your smart manga readers should go back to the MANGA forum. Idiot.

ok wow dude, i didn't even take it seriously when i posted LOLLLLL i can't believe you actually used me crappy example back at me. LOOLLLL . you realized i said "How about" , im not really fucking serious about this , i just think we shouldnt be discriminated idiot and how we shouldn't have an intelligent forum and an idiot forum cuz thats absurd idiot.

[chambers]

nothing against manga readers and of course they shoudl be able to comment on the anime too but surly such comments should be kept to the episope disscusions rather than just saying "no that wont happen" or whatever.

oh and gods son what theories would they be, the only theory i ever posted on this forum was the rock paper scissors one and i know it works perfectly.

[jing]

Originally posted by: chambers
nothing against manga readers and of course they shoudl be able to comment on the anime too but surly such comments should be kept to the episope disscusions rather than just saying "no that wont happen" or whatever.

oh and gods son what theories would they be, the only theory i ever posted on this forum was the rock paper scissors one and i know it works perfectly.

they can say whatever they want to say, besides anime readers doesn't even know anyone in the manga forum. so they would think "oh, speculation, but not backing it up". and then we have fucking noobs that come along and say "oh my god u spoiled!" and then EVERYBODY knows. those are the newbs we should get rid of. those newbs with 1 or 2 posts that are new to the forum. So please next time watch what you say and don't ever say that manga readers belong in the manga forums.

[chambers]

manga readers belong mostly in the manga forums. and you cant say whatever they want to say because its against rules to spoil. also the noobs that say omg you spoiled ARE NOT the root of the problem. its the people who spoil in the first place reguardless of if they let it be known that they are or not. and i think its common knowledge in most cases if people read the manga or not, especially when you have been here a few weeks.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Manga readers dont belong in the manga forums but they shouldnt bitch off everytime someone has a theory that has already been proved wrong in the manga.

[GLS]

wow, this is a great Itachi thread!

let me go on record as being a manga reader/anime watcher.
Manga fans probably shouldnt shoot down theories or what-not because it spoils the show for those that only watch the anime. Somebody comes up with an idea, *whapp* denied. They know thats not gonna happen. So eventually they think of an idea thats right (after so many tries) and they aren't surprised at all when it happens. It's kind of a sensitive subject that has no absolute resolution.
But yeah, that Itachi is one bad motha .....!

[Gods_Son]

There's no way having manga readers post only in the manga forum could be enforced, and it's a stupid idea anyways. If people spoil in any way, they are dealt with, that's good enough.

[jing]

Originally posted by: chambers
manga readers belong mostly in the manga forums. and you cant say whatever they want to say because its against rules to spoil. also the noobs that say omg you spoiled ARE NOT the root of the problem. its the people who spoil in the first place reguardless of if they let it be known that they are or not. and i think its common knowledge in most cases if people read the manga or not, especially when you have been here a few weeks.

Okay, so you are disatisfied with the moderators, because that is what you are saying. You are saying that moderators do not come here fast enough to edit the spoiler. Then don't complain about it and drag the rest of the manga readers. Go complain to a mod about it. Don't group us like we're all the same please.

[chambers]

yeah but lets get back on topic.

anyone got any thought about how hes gonna merge back into the story line, i mean i wonder if hes gonna re-enter straight aftert this filler arc or if hes gonna come back later on.

EDIT: i never mentioned the mods at all, i think they do a fine job here even if they are a tad.....subjective at times. iam complaining about people who spoil or shoot down theories with blut answeres just because they know the answer. theres a big diffrence. also i didnt group you all the same. i said SOME not EVERY SINGLE MANGA READER.

[jing]

Originally posted by: chambers
yeah but lets get back on topic.

anyone got any thought about how hes gonna merge back into the story line, i mean i wonder if hes gonna re-enter straight aftert this filler arc or if hes gonna come back later on.

EDIT: i never mentioned the mods at all, i think they do a fine job here even if they are a tad.....subjective at times. iam complaining about people who spoil or shoot down theories with blut answeres just because they know the answer. theres a big diffrence. also i didnt group you all the same. i said SOME not EVERY SINGLE MANGA READER.

You say they are doing a fine job. But they, but it doesn't make sense because you're also complaining about spoilers.

Mods are supposed to get rid of spoilers.
And you are being spoiled.

So basically you are complaining about the mods ability to do their job.

[chambers]

no, iam realistic, stop putting words in my mouth. if i got robbed i wouldnt complain about the state fo the police, id blame the person who robbed me.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: chambers
the reason this thread is nothign compared to the manga version of it, is because people like mutata refuse to accept any lee way in any logical thinking, or theorys that have been shot down in the manga already are dismissed by a "thats stupid. no. just no" kind of attitude even tho such things shouldnt be allowedpeople who read the manga should post in the manga forum ALL the time and leave the people who dont read the anime to themselves. shooting down theorys and discussions abotu the anime should NOT be allowed. and some people (although i havent seen it happen for a while as not many situations have arisen in the anime recentley) need to learn that when an anime reader says "i really want to know what will happen" they almost certainly dont mean it litrally.

on topic howver i REALLY want to know who the guy on the top of the telephone post was in sasukes little flashback. you clearly see that the person is viewd.....THEN the sequence for mangekyou sharingan boots up and the figure is gone. for all we know the vision of itachi standing above his dead parents could be compeltely fictional....to what end? who knows!
that's complete bullshit. answer this, have i EVER spoiled? go ahead and try to find a post of mine that includes a spoiler. i guarantee you, i've never EVER posted a spoiler in my entire time being a member of gw. so, do not say random crap, you ass hat.

i try my best to never include my knowledge from the manga when i'm discussing in the anime section. however, when i do shut down theories (just like the one about tsunade having a bloodline limit), it's cuz i know i am 10000000000000000000% right. and how do i know that i'm right? cuz it's called COMMON SENSE AND LOGICAL THINKING.

so, how about this? when you read my posts in the anime forum, stop trying to force yourself to think that i am using my manga knowledge cuz your just ruining it for yourself, ok? maybe i'm just smarter than you and lot of people, who knows.

[chambers]

yeah right in your dreams your smarter. also if you read my posts you will see that i never said YOU spoiled. NEVER.

[jing]

Originally posted by: chambers
yeah right in your dreams your smarter. also if you read my posts you will see that i never said YOU spoiled. NEVER.

Then stop saying manga ppl belong in manga forum. because now you are just saying all manga ppl spoil. stop contradicting yourself.

[chambers]

no, iam not saying most manga people spoil, what iam saying is that the majority of the manga people should stick to the manga forums. can we please drop this and get back on track?

[jing]

And why should we stick to the manga forums?

[chambers]

so you dont contribute to topics you shouldnt be contributing to. ones where it is almost impossible to have you post and not spoil also it stops OTHER people like the idiots with 2 posts coming here and spoiling.

[jing]

Originally posted by: chambers
so you dont contribute to topics you shouldnt be contributing to. ones where it is almost impossible to have you post and not spoil also it stops OTHER people like the idiots with 2 posts coming here and spoiling.

Then let the mods handle the spoiling people and leave the rest alone.

[shinichi69]

looks like this thread is certainly revived after 5 months alright... but it doesnt look too good to me... =p

[jing]

Originally posted by: shinichi69
looks like this thread is certainly revived after 5 months alright... but it doesnt look too good to me... =p

By the way I congratulate you with your 95 posts in less than 2 days. You are an amazing spammer.

[joker-kun]

Originally posted by: shinichi69
looks like this thread is certainly revived after 5 months alright... but it doesnt look too good to me... =p

Gee, that was relevant, if you're going to spam, say something worth while. You didn't revive this thread, cause you're an absolute moron who said something that doesn't even concern the thread. Here's something for yo to think about, everybody doesn't like your retarded posts that make no sense and are 100% spam. Go somewhere else and post you idiot, or say something relevant. You're useless to this forum, and everyone in it, if you're gonna keep posting like this, no one wants you here, and get a fricking new avatar, you unoriginal, useless, spamming, idiotic, forum tard.

BTW: Welcome to the forum, I am Joker-kun.

[Hotsuma]

Only theory you'll ever need to know regarding Itachi..

Itachi &gt; Rest of the Naruto cast, that is still alive. (So, no. Kyuubi doesn't count)

[shinichi69]

thank you so much... i feel so welcomed... i dont understand why scolding people and calling people names makes your post alot better... im just simply interested in the topics and wanted to share my views... yes i admit im bored and i check out the threads... i try to post when i can, to familiarize with this forum and hope to know more people... im not here to make enemies...

and i simply dont underderstand why by saying this...
"Gee, that was relevant, if you're going to spam, say something worth while. You didn't revive this thread, cause you're an absolute moron who said something that doesn't even concern the thread. Here's something for yo to think about, everybody doesn't like your retarded posts that make no sense and are 100% spam. Go somewhere else and post you idiot, or say something relevant. You're useless to this forum, and everyone in it, if you're gonna keep posting like this, no one wants you here, and get a fricking new avatar, you unoriginal, useless, spamming, idiotic, forum tard.
BTW: Welcome to the forum, I am Joker-kun."

arguing/quarrelling or should i say bullying people makes you much better and superior than the rest huh?

--disappointed--

[chambers]

OMG thats fuckin rich, a guy with a sephiroth avatar tells someone that he hasnt got an original avatar!!

[jing]

Originally posted by: shinichi69
thank you so much... i feel so welcomed... i dont understand why scolding people and calling people names makes your post alot better... im just simply interested in the topics and wanted to share my views... yes i admit im bored and i check out the threads... i try to post when i can, to familiarize with this forum and hope to know more people... im not here to make enemies...

and i simply dont underderstand why by saying this...
"Gee, that was relevant, if you're going to spam, say something worth while. You didn't revive this thread, cause you're an absolute moron who said something that doesn't even concern the thread. Here's something for yo to think about, everybody doesn't like your retarded posts that make no sense and are 100% spam. Go somewhere else and post you idiot, or say something relevant. You're useless to this forum, and everyone in it, if you're gonna keep posting like this, no one wants you here, and get a fricking new avatar, you unoriginal, useless, spamming, idiotic, forum tard.
BTW: Welcome to the forum, I am Joker-kun."

arguing/quarrelling or should i say bullying people makes you much better and superior than the rest huh?

--disappointed--


Because all you've been doing it posting with lots of short sentences and useless remarks and totalling your post count to a near 100 in less than 2 days. People in this forum don't like spammers. No one likes to log on to the forum and seeing 20 of your names in each forum, do you get it now? how about you tone it down abit and write abit more each time and abit relevant to the topic.

[Raven]

Come on guys, swallow your pride and end this. I'd rather not lock the thread if I have to. Can't we all just get along?

[chambers]

i think its pretty much finished...now if we can just get back on topic....