Brillance of Kishmoto

[Hokage-IV]

I just want to clarify to ppl that kishmoto orginally planned for Rock Lee to use Drunken Fist style. It wasnt somethin that he just thought of in the spare of the moment , it was well planned from the beginning.
There is a reason why Rock Lee is named Rock Lee . (a chinese name). There is a reason why Rock lee has thick eyebrows and bowl haircut( chinese style ) . There is a reason Rock lee is a tajitsu specialist. you following me?
So ppl who are questioning Kishmoto recently, Im sure he knows what hes doing. So rest assured he has great things planned for us in the later chapters.

[sangai]

and you get this information where

i don't question kishimotos intent i question your thought about this

what you posted made very little since

you have no proof backing you up

[JTD121]

Originally posted by: sangai sakusei
and you get this information where

i don't question kishimotos intent i question your thought about this

what you posted made very little since

you have no proof backing you up

I agree. I'm sure most of us could have figured this out on our own, if we hadn't already. So, so you have a point really?

mainva | aptigo | JTD out

[L8r]

There is a reason why Rock Lee is named Rock Lee . (a chinese name). There is a reason why Rock lee has thick eyebrows and bowl haircut( chinese style ) . There is a reason Rock lee is a tajitsu specialist.


so drunking boxing is a chinese style? or what?
i dont get it....what you getting at?

if its the Bruce Lee(sp?) thing you going for....we all knew that.. (well i think we all know that)

[Hokage-IV]

ROFL, one ask for proof the other one said he couldve figured it out on his own. My bad


Originally posted by: L8r



There is a reason why Rock Lee is named Rock Lee . (a chinese name). There is a reason why Rock lee has thick eyebrows and bowl haircut( chinese style ) . There is a reason Rock lee is a tajitsu specialist.


so drunking boxing is a chinese style? or what?
i dont get it....what you getting at?

if its the Bruce Lee(sp?) thing you going for....we all knew that.. (well i think we all know that)

yes drunken fist is chinese style of martial arts

also the name Rock lee is chinse style of names, ex: Bruce lee, Jet Li, Jackie chan. how many ppl do u know their name is Rock or Jet or jackie for first names?

[sangai]

uh edit button edit button located at the bottom right of you post

i still don't see your proof that says kishimoto planned this from the begging

really its just a thought you had unless you have proof

[L8r]

ok...
i still dont get this post....maybe im just need som sleep or somthing but i dont get it i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif

[sangai]

he's really not making much sense

[Hokage-IV]

Yes I cant prove, I shouldve been more clear. But my thought was based upon reasonable logic. ROFL

[sangai]

well then please try explaining from where you gathered your logic

at what point did the manga ever point anywhere remotly close to that lee was a natural at drunken boxing

the name:not really based after anything but bruce lee

and his taijutsu reflects that

(sorry to be so harsh but im gonna pick apart your thought process)

[Hokage-IV]

Ch 210, pg 19

[L8r]

LOOOOOOL
yea NOW we know hes good with drunken fist

but the way you put it was like you have alwasy know it

[Assertn]

my roommate watched a movie about drunken boxing......i think it was bruce lee that played the main character......or maybe it was jackie chan......i dont remember

[JTD121]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
my roommate watched a movie about drunken boxing......i think it was bruce lee that played the main character......or maybe it was jackie chan......i dont remember

It was Jackie Chan. And Drunken Boxing rules!

mainva | aptigo | JTD out

[sangai]

jackie chans legend of the drunken master

there is an old one and a new one

and page 19 chapter 210 doesnt tell me that kishimoto planned this out from the begging

what's to say 2 months ago he thought up "ohh it would be so badass if i made lee come back with drunken boxing"

[Iznogoud]

No i think he planned it, that lee would have the same kind of story than bruce lee, that's quite obvious...
He came back when no one thought he would...
Maybe later in the manga he'll really make him die though.

[Gods_Son]

yeah, it's Jackie Chan in the movie. I think what the kid was trying to say is that because Rock Lee is the most Chinese influenced character, he somehow must've already known Druken Boxing. Hokage IV your logic really makes no sense, and you act like you've talked Kishimoto. I should've known the thread would be stupid from the mispelled topic title. If you had proof that there were signs of planning Lee to be a drunken master, it'd be different, but right now I don't see any.

[Himura_san]

Originally posted by: sangai sakusei
jackie chans legend of the drunken master

there is an old one and a new one

and page 19 chapter 210 doesnt tell me that kishimoto planned this out from the begging

what's to say 2 months ago he thought up "ohh it would be so badass if i made lee come back with drunken boxing"

If you look at the cover page of chapter 82 you will see Lee refusing Saki from a drunken Gai and uttering the phrase:
"sorry, Gai sensei I cannot learn the Suiken (Drunken Fist) I am not old enough!"
this was a foreshadow that has now been introduced in the current arc.

[sangai]

those are usually just a cover and usually have nothing to do with a story
that is not foreshadowing that

taking a wild ass guess

and that implied more to gai than lee or more like gai peer pressure

sorry i want like a seen that shows him either manga or episode where he says i use the drunken fist

[Hokage-IV]

Originally posted by: sangai sakusei
well then please try explaining from where you gathered your logic

at what point did the manga ever point anywhere remotly close to that lee was a natural at drunken boxing

the name:not really based after anything but bruce lee

and his taijutsu reflects that

(sorry to be so harsh but im gonna pick apart your thought process)

rofl,your asking the wrong person to ask about basics of logic(common sense), I dont determin whats logic or not but i do follow the same concept that has been established. do you understand 1+1=2 ?

Yes I didnt talk to kishimoto .i thought you wouldve figure that bout now .So direct proof from kishimoto should be out of the question, right? or no?So whats left for proof? define proof for me ,if there was foreshadowing scene is that a proof or is it a coincedence?my onpinion was based upon usin simple logic. Rocklee + Tajitsu= planned out drunken fist. from spectator view who is analyzing the current events, that i see variables coinciding each other. was it a coincedence? , ill give the benefit of the doubt to Kishimoto that it was planned out. But it seems giving credit with enthusiam toward Kishimoto that lil kids have the urge to give negative feed back, asking wheres the proof?



sorry not be so harsh,You cant pick apart my thought process if ur IQ =20 and 2+0= it doesnt equal 20 in my logic

[L8r]

If you look at the cover page of chapter 82 you will see Lee refusing Saki from a drunken Gai and uttering the phrase:
"sorry, Gai sensei I cannot learn the Suiken (Drunken Fist) I am not old enough!"
this was a foreshadow that has now been introduced in the current arc.

and if you look at the cover at chp 15 you see naruto with a bunch of scrolls and sakura with 2 big ass axes and saskue with a flut

like sangai sakusei says thats just a cover and it often dosent have any thing to do with the manga story line

EDIT: so your saying from the first time you saw Rock Lee you figuerd out the "Rocklee + Tajitsu= planned out drunken fist"?
because thats what it sound like...

any1 that have read chp210 know <u>NOW</u> that hes good with it...

but the way you say it its like you knew from the start that he was gonna use it

[sangai]

thank you l8r

seriously how could you know that lee was good with drunken boxing for one all of lee's attacks are stiff and powerful

not once have we seen the fluidic motions of drunken boxing or one thing that is "CREDIBLE" to proove that he is good with drunken boxing

by your logic you could almost say sasuke was good with drunken fist if he showed up and drank a bottle of sake and took stance,cause he is a good fighter and kishimoto planned it that way

its like you really pulled this out of your ass

sure lee would be the type to be good at drunken fist but you said kishimoto planned it from the begging which you don't even know for sure, your original statement was wrong

[Mut]

i see absolutely no brilliance from kishimoto by putting lee in as a drunken fighter.

[MightyDustLoop]

Hokage IV has gotta be more sloshed than Rock Lee.

Drunken style is always a possibility but to say there's foresight or that kishimoto didn't just recently decide to go with it is way off. You can never tell how much is planned from the beginning of the series. He might not have even had Rock Lee thought up yet.

[Himura_san]

Originally posted by: L8r



If you look at the cover page of chapter 82 you will see Lee refusing Saki from a drunken Gai and uttering the phrase:
"sorry, Gai sensei I cannot learn the Suiken (Drunken Fist) I am not old enough!"
this was a foreshadow that has now been introduced in the current arc.

and if you look at the cover at chp 15 you see naruto with a bunch of scrolls and sakura with 2 big ass axes and saskue with a flut

like sangai sakusei says thats just a cover and it often dosent have any thing to do with the manga story line

EDIT: so your saying from the first time you saw Rock Lee you figuerd out the "Rocklee + Tajitsu= planned out drunken fist"?
because thats what it sound like...

any1 that have read chp210 know <u>NOW</u> that hes good with it...

but the way you say it its like you knew from the start that he was gonna use it

I never said I knew that from the start, where did you get that idea? (scratches head)
Also Kishimoto shows alot of things on the covers that you may see later in the manga such as various covers of Naruto sitting on a giant frog way before the manga got to Gamabunta.
So saying that the covers have nothing to do with the manga story is absolute bullshit!
Now keep your piehole shut! LOL!!

[Assertn]

well....i do believe drunken fighting isnt something that you could spontaneously do just cause you're drunk and you can fight....
in fact arent drunken fighters just supposed to ACT as if they're drunk....not, you know....actually BE drunk

[Hokage-IV]

Originally posted by: sangai sakusei
thank you l8r

seriously how could you know that lee was good with drunken boxing for one all of lee's attacks are stiff and powerful

not once have we seen the fluidic motions of drunken boxing or one thing that is "CREDIBLE" to proove that he is good with drunken boxing

by your logic you could almost say sasuke was good with drunken fist if he showed up and drank a bottle of sake and took stance,cause he is a good fighter and kishimoto planned it that way

its like you really pulled this out of your ass

sure lee would be the type to be good at drunken fist but you said kishimoto planned it from the begging which you don't even know for sure, your original statement was wrong



was that breaking my thought process?
I never said i knew that lee was good with drunken boxing .Your going off in your argument. I said I gave benefit of the doubt to kishimoto that he planned it and it wasnt spare of the moment.

How do we know Neji can use Hake the 64combo when he was first introduced? we didnt ,but made sense, so was that spare of moment too by kishimoto ? possibly but can you give him the benefit of doubt it was planned? i would. since it made logical sense.

its simple logic , really its not that hard

Bakyugan+Gentle style= Hake ?

Rocklee+ Tajitsu specialist= Drunken fist ?
(chinese influenced character+ Martial art specialist= Drunken Fist(chinese martial arts )


If he planned Neji's hake, why not Drunken fist by Rock lee? If kishimoto didnt planned Hakei theres favoring possiblilit he didnt plan Drunken fist either. Thats all im saying . But logically Im giving him the benefit of the doubt it was planned.

"by your logic you could almost say sasuke was good with drunken fist if he showed up and drank a bottle of sake and took stance,cause he is a good fighter and kishimoto planned it that way"

this was pure dribble and didnt make any sense . so i wont bother

[L8r]

HOW THE HELL DID IT MAKE SENSE THAT Neji could make the Hake 64combo ?
so when you first saw Neji YOU KNEW that he could do the Hake 64combo?

we didnt even know it existed untill he did it... or some one told us about it..then sure after that it made sense

this is what i been telling you.... you write as if from the first time you saw a person in the manga/anime that he can do this and he can do that...
thats like saying from the first time you saw naruto that he could do the Resangan(sp?) or even get gamabunta


EDIT: and Himura_san the "edit" part of my post wasnt directed at you it was to Hokage-IV if you hadent figuerd it out
so as you put it "Now keep your piehole shut"

[Stoopider]

Huh?

Your theory is somewhat... Rubbish (Hahaha, mind the pun).

Firstly, to connect up that Rock Lee is Bruce Lee. Okay. That I understand. Maybe he's chinese (Not all chinese have thick eyebrows). And I don't think Bruce Lee ever had any drunken fighting. It's all hooey. Jackie Chan was the first one who invented Drunken fighting in his movie Drunken Master 1 &amp; 2. (Bruce Lee's shows are too old for me to watch. And they suck! Jackie Chan or Jet Li is hell lots better(But I wont go further into this because it would avoiding the question)).

Kishimoto brilliant?? Yes. But I don't see the brilliance in incorporating drunken fighting into Rock Lee's brilliant. It's been done before. In many other chinese shows.

Hyuuga Clan. Their style of fighting is Tai Chi (Chinese Martial Arts). It's not really a fighting style actually. It's a form of excercise. Old chinese people do it alot in the parks.

Rock Lee? Probably any fighting style. For all you know, he'll be fighting any chinese martial art style like monkey style, Donkey style, Tiger style, turtle style, Green Leef style and of course Drunken fighting. I dont think Kishimoto 'PLANNED' Rock Lee to have Drunken fighting since the BEGGINING of his character. The logic doesn't add up.

I do understand there was a pic of Rock Lee drunk. But it's just a play with the characters. Like there's one picture of Naruto holding a umbrella (Volume 12). Does that mean he's going to inherit a magic Umbrella?? Or Sasuke having a fan. He's going to inherit a magic fan? (Volume 7 Cover). It maybe just a play on things, but it 'could' or could not have a significant meaning.

No doubt it would be fun to watch, and I don't deny Kishimoto is brilliant. But I wouldn't credit Kishimoto because of incorporating Drunken boxing into Rock Lee's fighting styles being brilliant.

[Hokage-IV]

Originally posted by: L8r
HOW THE HELL DID IT MAKE SENSE THAT Neji could make the Hake 64combo ?
so when you first saw Neji YOU KNEW that he could do the Hake 64combo?

we didnt even know it existed untill he did it... or some one told us about it..then sure after that it made sense

this is what i been telling you.... you write as if from the first time you saw a person in the manga/anime that he can do this and he can do that...
thats like saying from the first time you saw naruto that he could do the Resangan(sp?) or even get gamabunta


EDIT: and Himura_san the "edit" part of my post wasnt directed at you it was to Hokage-IV if you hadent figuerd it out
so as you put it "Now keep your piehole shut"

ok lil one, before you yap your mouth , reread my post, slowly this time.
if you still dont understand, I'll paraprash it... No one knew Hake existed when Neji was first introduced. So my question was , was that move planned by kishimoto or was it spare of the moment idea?

[Arctyc]

Jackie Chan was the first one who invented Drunken fighting in his movie Drunken Master 1 &amp; 2.

Whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa there. Watch how you term that. Zui Quan has been around for a lot longer than Jackie Chan. He may have been the first to star in a major film based around it, but he sure as hell didn't invent it.

And yes, AssertnFailure is correct. When practicing Zui Quan (Drunken Boxing) or Zui Jien (Drunken Swordplay), you do not want to actually be drunk. The point is to make the opponent confused by your unpredictable movements.


Which is why I consider the way Kishimoto to have written this out to be so intriguing. Kimimaro is a very Yin-based fighter; a lot of circular motion, and a poor match for Rock Lee, whose Taijutsu is typically very Yang-based, quite linear like some of the Northern Kung Fu styles' striking forms. As it started, Rock had little chance to win (especially since he had no weapon, while Kimi had his bone sword &amp; bloodline).

But Zui Quan is a different beast. It's a major, confusing mix of yin and yang movements, all designed to strike from odd angles, fusing the drunken illusion and combat into one effective style. It is the perfect match against Kimi's precise Yin art (something I would maybe place akin to Aikido).

[Boogster]

Originally posted by: Arctyc

And yes, AssertnFailure is correct. When practicing Zui Quan (Drunken Boxing) or Zui Jien (Drunken Swordplay), you do not want to actually be drunk. The point is to make the opponent confused by your unpredictable movements.



The problem is that both Jackie Chan - in the film, and Rock Lee - in the anime, are actually drunk - thus eliminating any notion of skill being involved.

[Hokage-IV]

Originally posted by: Stoopider
Huh?

Your theory is somewhat... Rubbish (Hahaha, mind the pun).

Firstly, to connect up that Rock Lee is Bruce Lee. Okay. That I understand. Maybe he's chinese (Not all chinese have thick eyebrows). And I don't think Bruce Lee ever had any drunken fighting. It's all hooey. Jackie Chan was the first one who invented Drunken fighting in his movie Drunken Master 1 &amp; 2. (Bruce Lee's shows are too old for me to watch. And they suck! Jackie Chan or Jet Li is hell lots better(But I wont go further into this because it would avoiding the question)).

Kishimoto brilliant?? Yes. But I don't see the brilliance in incorporating drunken fighting into Rock Lee's brilliant. It's been done before. In many other chinese shows.

Hyuuga Clan. Their style of fighting is Tai Chi (Chinese Martial Arts). It's not really a fighting style actually. It's a form of excercise. Old chinese people do it alot in the parks.

Rock Lee? Probably any fighting style. For all you know, he'll be fighting any chinese martial art style like monkey style, Donkey style, Tiger style, turtle style, Green Leef style and of course Drunken fighting. I dont think Kishimoto 'PLANNED' Rock Lee to have Drunken fighting since the BEGGINING of his character. The logic doesn't add up.

I do understand there was a pic of Rock Lee drunk. But it's just a play with the characters. Like there's one picture of Naruto holding a umbrella (Volume 12). Does that mean he's going to inherit a magic Umbrella?? Or Sasuke having a fan. He's going to inherit a magic fan? (Volume 7 Cover). It maybe just a play on things, but it 'could' or could not have a significant meaning.

No doubt it would be fun to watch, and I don't deny Kishimoto is brilliant. But I wouldn't credit Kishimoto because of incorporating Drunken boxing into Rock Lee's fighting styles being brilliant.


ok your post was pretty silly


because Bruce lee doesnt have drunkenfist style in his repotoire Rock lee doesnt either?

Rock lee is Bruce lee? ur in your lil world .thats silly and Rock lee is not Jackie chan or jet li my friend

thx for explaining what Tai chi is, like i didnt know.. was that for me or for you ? you were attemptin to say some what intellegent i presume? tsk tsk...
Hyuga fighting style is Tai Chi? Yea Tai Chi have Bakyugan that can see chakra points and thrust chakra into your opponents body. silly boy...

[PSJ]

I do understand there was a pic of Rock Lee drunk. But it's just a play with the characters. Like there's one picture of Naruto holding a umbrella (Volume 12). Does that mean he's going to inherit a magic Umbrella?? Or Sasuke having a fan. He's going to inherit a magic fan? (Volume 7 Cover). It maybe just a play on things, but it 'could' or could not have a significant meaning.

No doubt it would be fun to watch, and I don't deny Kishimoto is brilliant. But I wouldn't credit Kishimoto because of incorporating Drunken boxing into Rock Lee's fighting styles being brilliant.

i think this guy's logic comes from that naruto have been on many covers together with toads and he later got the toad summoning. so this guy thought "hey i remember lee and gai on a cover talking about drunken fighting" and what you compare it to is just stupid. i do believe some things were planned from the start of the character, like naruto and taod summoning since he appeared with a toad on chapter cover 2 or 3 or something like that. i dont think kishimoto ran out of ideas and pulled lee with drunken fighting out of his ass, i think it was all planned a longtime ago however not the the same moment he came up with rock lee.

[Stoopider]

ok your post was pretty silly

That hurt. J/k

Anyway, Just being informative about the Tai Chi part.

Hyuga style is somewhat similar to Tai chi. It's slow. And also if you have seen people do tai-chi, their stances are somewhat similar. I see them everyday. Anyhow, no point arguing that Bukyagun or so what not is Tai Chi. I think it's proposed to be similar. And Tai Chi is supposed to be Controlling your chi to 'push' or fight your enemy away. To fight without using strength. They supposedly channnel their chakra to their finger, and with their finger they break bricks. Hahah. Don't know how true is that though. I'm not a believer in all this, however I hear alot of stories.

About the chakra points... I guess its just a little mix of Acupuncture in it.

Arrgh. Argue if you want that it's not Tai Chi. However I'm still sticking with it.

Oh yeah, I agree with Pervert Sennin. It was planned some time ago. But not since the beginning like you propsed. Another thing.. I still wouldn't credit Kishimoto being a genius for it. Matter of opinion.

[Death BOO Z]

first thing, the Drunken fist style can hardly be called "Brilliance", the same way Naruto's fart agaist Kiba (inspired by Krillin fart in Dragon Ball) isn't called Brilliance, even if I'll somehow be able to stop hating the idea, i'll still think it's stupid.

2nd thing, China has alot of matiral arts, does your logic say that Lee is the master of all of them?
3rd thing, alot of animes have chineeze guys in them, and a lot of those guys are called Lee, does it mean they all know the drunken fist?
4th, wasn't Rock Lee named after Bruce Lee and Rocky (from the movie Rocky) becuase they both took heavt injuries but overcame it to be even better?

[Mut]

wow, this discussion is still going on...

[Jman]

yup. never a dull moment on these boards

[Gods_Son]

Hokage IV, just give up

[Himura_san]

Originally posted by: L8r
HOW THE HELL DID IT MAKE SENSE THAT Neji could make the Hake 64combo ?
so when you first saw Neji YOU KNEW that he could do the Hake 64combo?

we didnt even know it existed untill he did it... or some one told us about it..then sure after that it made sense

this is what i been telling you.... you write as if from the first time you saw a person in the manga/anime that he can do this and he can do that...
thats like saying from the first time you saw naruto that he could do the Resangan(sp?) or even get gamabunta


EDIT: and Himura_san the "edit" part of my post wasnt directed at you it was to Hokage-IV if you hadent figuerd it out
so as you put it "Now keep your piehole shut"

So you quote me but respond to someone else?
Well your post was not clear on that, however I take back what I said in the last post.

[sangai]

hey can we just let this one die

or even better have a mod lock it

cause this will just keep going on

[JTD121]

Originally posted by: sangai sakusei
hey can we just let this one die

or even better have a mod lock it

cause this will just keep going on

I second that. It was fun reading for a while but.....It's lost it's entertainment value.

mainva | aptigo | JTD out

[Raven]

Ok you got it...... locked.