Official Naruto 75 discussion! ***SPOILERS***

[Ciber]

You can discuss this episode in here, and only this episode alone, nothing past it.


I'll get things started.



Wow... Gaara looked like an ape lol.


It's too bad he did not kill Sasuke, i can't stand him.


Loved how Naruto ended up saving his cocky ass.


Next episode is sure to be nothing more than a bunch of flashbacks.

[Assertn]

anyone else notice the errors that the animators made with gaara near the end? I can't believe they made such a blatant mistake as to completely forget about the tail he was supposed to have. I'm referring to one of the scenes where he's charging after sasuke and sasuke's trying chidori for the 3rd time

[ech3lon]

yeah i also was wondering where is the tail of suzaku......

[obake]

I thought that the tail receeded and formed the left arm? It was his right arm that was transformed before.

[r3n]

thats what i thought too...

and its so satisfying to see naruto save sasukes ass again

[Shinji Ikari]

Yeah, the finishing kick by Naruto was the greatest, that was one hell of a hit in the face i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

About the scene they zoomed out after the chidori was a bit strange, he should have had his right arm somewhere there, but he didn't, and that is just bad, because when they jump towards eachother again right after that he does have his arm there. It might be magic i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif

And now i do hope that Naruto takes over the show and make Sasuke see how great he is i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Poiple Weezard]

I'm curious as to how many more episodes the Third is gonna have that sword stuck in him. I know they're trying to climax everything at the same time, but its been three episodes so far and it doesn't look like they're gonna end it next one.

[PSJ]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
anyone else notice the errors that the animators made with gaara near the end? I can't believe they made such a blatant mistake as to completely forget about the tail he was supposed to have. I'm referring to one of the scenes where he's charging after sasuke and sasuke's trying chidori for the 3rd time

yea i noticed that to. lol what an error. but seriously how could they drag the part between the 2nd and 3rd chidori out this much?its like only 3 pages or something in the manga its even wrose than when they dragged the one square fight between temari and tenten out to one whole episode. hate when they do things like that.

[itachi_]

As I've said before, good episode, they showed itachi for the first time in closeup...

[010577]

Although everybody claims open endings suck, they are better than 3 pages of manga. I rather watch 70 episodes of sword through the old geezer (as Konohaomaru) would say, than sloppy 1 minute work. Itz worth the wait... as long as Naruto continues to air and downloable on AnimeOne & ANBU. Anyone agree? Even though it sux to wait, but better than no wait ^^

[A77ALiSTiC]

Originally posted by: Poiple Weezard
I'm curious as to how many more episodes the Third is gonna have that sword stuck in him.

lol, that made me laugh.. but uve got a point there... and its really starting to get annoying.. but its times like these where i look back and remember wanting to see more exciting things happening in the anime.. and i guess were getting it now (the gaara saga, that is)

this episode rocked ass!! i enjoyed very much, specially while eating two bowls of noodles, some coke, and a snickers bar to top it off i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif
i did notice the mistake too, and the weird animation near the end, but hey, stuff like that happen, and its cool that the animation didnt suck in the whole thing

[The_Fourth]

It was a really good episode, I found it very interesting because they showed a glimpse of Itachi standing around some bodies(my guess Uchiha members), another thing I liked was when Naruto showed up.

[JTD121]

I've finally caught up with the rest of you guys, after about a week of watching on and off the first 74 episodes...Whew! I love this episode!

However, I wonder if Naruto is using his blue Chakra or the Kyubi's red Chakra when he kicked Gaara? I don't know, it's just a thought that flashed in my mind, because they had a shot of Naruto's eyes at the end. Which also makes me wonder if his eyes turn into the red slits they were when he used the Kyubi's Chakra against Haku way back in the first 20 episodes. *shrugs* Either way, the next episode is just a flashback, but I'm guessing we will learn a bunch about Gaara that way.

I don't like the ending much. The song is cool, but the animation....And the opening is alright. I think it would be amazing if they had Haruka Kanata and Wind together once, I dunno, those are my favorite opening and ending.

mainva | aptigo | JTD out

[tensai]

this episode was pretty good.

i dont read the manga, so i cant compare what people say

i didnt really notice the change in animation with gaaras demon tail, but there has been a lot of "messed up" scenes with the characters

i noticed that the seals that sasuke did for chidori was different than before, as with a lot other seals the characters have been doing for their same moves

and about the naruto kyubi eye thing, i rewatched that part and i didnt notice that either

remember "dont underestimate me" says Naruto, hes probably gotten a lot stronger after beatin neji

[Jman]

I enjoyed every minute of this eps. Action all the way. The intensity kept building. Watching Naruto hasn't felt this good since Lee vs Gaara in 48-50

[Assertn]

usually when naruto's bustin out the kyuubi's power...they make it known
he actually isnt that bad of a ninja with his own power



Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
yea i noticed that to. lol what an error. but seriously how could they drag the part between the 2nd and 3rd chidori out this much?its like only 3 pages or something in the manga its even wrose than when they dragged the one square fight between temari and tenten out to one whole episode. hate when they do things like that.

actually, i think this recent episode covered about 2 chapters worth of naruto manga.

[JTD121]

No, Naruto isn't all that bad under his own power.

Also, I wonder if and when the Third will actually pull Orochimaru's soul out...If he doesn't then who will be the Hokage? Konohomaru? What the hell could he do against Orochimaru? Hm...Troublesome thoughts...

And what about Kabuto? Where the hell did he go? He was one of the ANBU imposters, and then we went off into the whole everything else; Hokage vs Orochimaru, Naruto's group, Sasuke following Gaara, etc....

mainva | aptigo | JTD out

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Good episode i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

And no Konohamaru won't be the next Hokage rofl like he is the strongest ninja in Konoha i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[itachi_]

How long will this gaara and naruto fight last? I hope it's not dragged out..

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Erm nobody knows... we can't look in to the future well can't we Einstein? i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[JTD121]

Originally posted by: Uchiha-Itachi
And no Konohamaru won't be the next Hokage rofl like he is the strongest ninja in Konoha i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

Okay then...Who would replace the Third as Hokage? Sasuke? No...Maybe one of the Jounins? Kakashi? Gai?....Hm...We all know the Third is going to die in the near future, and probabl already has in the manga but...Hm....

mainva | aptigo | JTD out

[Assertn]

sarutobi is gonna die regardless....whether by orochimaru or by the death god

[NewGuyinTown]

I doubt Orochimaru will die. Orochimaru will probably conquer Konoha and claims himself as Hokage (didn't he got mad not becoming the Fourth?). Sasuke will have to seek him. I doubt they gonna end everything here.

I also love how Naruto save Sasuke. Perhaps this time, Sasuke will see the Nine-tail's Chakra unless he pass out again. (With Haku: Sasuke passed out; with Orochimaru: Naruto gets another seal)

[Aegis Runestone]

Did you guys forget that Naruto used Kyubi(or is it Kyuubi?)'s charka twice after their first meeting with Orochimaru? -_- Just because Naruto's eyes aren't red, doesn't mean he isn't using the fox's power. He can now call on it whenever he needs it since if he dies, Kyubi dies with him.

I want that darn song at the very beginning of the episode starting at 1:29 and ending at 3:03 or so. That's such a cool song.

One thing I've noticed, is that the animators and storywriters have left a lot of battles unfinished! Where's Baki and Genma? What about Kabuto? Gai? Kakashi? Gah! They need to pace themselves more efficently like in epis 1-19 with Haku and Zabuza. They also need to get the animators back from those episodes, the battle animations were so awesome.

[JTD121]

Originally posted by: Aegis Runestone
Did you guys forget that Naruto used Kyubi(or is it Kyuubi?)'s charka twice after their first meeting with Orochimaru? -_- Just because Naruto's eyes aren't red, doesn't mean he isn't using the fox's power. He can now call on it whenever he needs it since if he dies, Kyubi dies with him.


I did notice he used the Kyubi's Chakra twice, but I want to see him all emotional like he was against Haku the very first time. I dunno, I think he could be the most powerful character in the series, but for some reason, he isn't. *shrugs*

mainva | aptigo | JTD out

[Karasu]

Well Gaara is a tad bit more powerful than Sasuke is. I like his crazy way and at the same time his existance is kind of sad with his past and so on. Its pretty obvious Gaara and Naruto will go nuts now that he caught up with Sauske and Gaara. Lets hope for a badass motherf**king fight now, the clash of the deamon boys is about to begin i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif It can become quite interesting if Gaara can change even more than now, sound like he can, Temari is shitting her pants thinking about it.

Sasuke did pretty damn good for beeing the little pathetic whimp he is (compared to Gaara) a couple of thousand chidori's more and maby he would have gotten Gaara i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif. I'd really like to see more of his brother, he seems to be what Sasuke should have been. I think Itachi and Gaara could become good friends hehe.

[Aegis Runestone]

Also remember, in episode 62 when Naruto summoned up Kyubi's Chakra, the look on Gaara's face? It was a look of fear. ^.^

[LawnDawg]

I didn't know Chrno was Gaara in his past life ;D

[riftwing]

A tad stronger? Gaara isn't even fully transformed yet and Sasuke's best move, Chidori, doesn't really have much of an effect on him which takes a massive ammount of chakra.

[NewGuyinTown]

Yea, but Sasuke wasn't there to acknowledge him. Now it's Naruto's chance to show that he can kick Sasuke's ass. For some reason I don't really like Sasuke.

But anyways, the first 19 episodes were pretty good. These last 56 episodes aren't as satisifying as the first 19, maybe because it's only a prelude of what's going to happen.

[Jeff_from_MD]

I forget. why aren't we seeing sasuke with that funnel of immense purple chakra rising up around him, like when he was facing off against the sound ninja? (plz no spoilers btw, I just want to know why is sasuke's brand on his skin making him more handicapped now than powerful)

[Winged Dancer]

As a female here, I'll do my job first, and therefore;


GAARA IS SOOOO CUUUUUUUUTEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There.

Now, I'll just go on being myself that arm-and-tail only Gaara looks freaky, and I have dubbed it the Thing. And everytime it appears on screen, scream "AAH! The Thing!!" and my brother has to shut me up.

Something tells me the next episode is going to be half tear-jerking flashback, half action. Gaara looked cuter in the manga, though... I can't wait to see all that follows. I'm liking these episodes a lot... I like Shikamaru and all but his fight just wasn't _that_ great for me, and I highly dislike Sasuke, therefore his one-hour special was like meh... so I'm happy now that we've gotten all these good episodes!!

[Aegis Runestone]

Originally posted by: Jeff_from_MD
I forget. why aren't we seeing sasuke with that funnel of immense purple chakra rising up around him, like when he was facing off against the sound ninja? (plz no spoilers btw, I just want to know why is sasuke's brand on his skin making him more handicapped now than powerful)

I'm guessing it's because either:

1) Sasuke is fighting the cursed seal
2) Gaara is stronger than what the cursed seal can provide.

[JTD121]

Originally posted by: Jeff_from_MD
I forget. why aren't we seeing sasuke with that funnel of immense purple chakra rising up around him, like when he was facing off against the sound ninja? (plz no spoilers btw, I just want to know why is sasuke's brand on his skin making him more handicapped now than powerful)

Because of the seal Kakashi put on it. Apparently he can let a little of the power Orochimaru was talking about leak out, without turning him into the monster he was against the Sound ninja.

mainva | aptigo | JTD out

[wirm]

There you go JTD121. That sounds really reasonable to me.

As for Gaara vs Sasuke, as I said in the ep 74 thread, there is no way that Sasuke can even be close to the level that Gaara is at. A fully transformed Gaara must be at least jounin level, if not kage. Sasuke is lucky to have such a powerful 1v1 jutsu like chidori, but it still isn't enough.

As for Konohamaru or Sasuke becoming hokage after Sarutobi, I won't even dignify that with an answer. We really haven't watched enough to know who would succeed the old dude. I don't read the manga, so if I had to guess, the next hokage could be one of the Sannin.

Kakashi seems strong, and according to Gai he's Konoha's #1 technique specialist, but I don't think he'd be hokage.

[simplyxme]

Gaara WAS really cute... but now hes just plain freaky.

This was a really good episode, i did notice the tail thing and a few scenes where gaara looked REALLY freaky and unproportioned but i think they did that on purpose. I really wanna know whats going to happen to hokae =[ i kno they're focusing on gaara and everything but still.. its killing me. And alsso rock lee, neiji and everyone else still havent shown up AT ALL.. i know 30 minutes isnt a lot to squish everything togetherr but i hope they show up soon. Last comment: it was soo great how naruto saved sasuke's assss. i'd really like to see naruto kick gaara's ass somehow.. and i hope sasuke has to lay there all injured and watch! HAHAHA not that i have anything against sasuke ( HAHAHA ) just want this to be naruto's moment for once. ^_^

[Saruto]

Yeah your pretty right simplyxme!

oh and by the way!..is there somebody enough nice to give the chapter of the manga of the 75 ep PLEASE!!!!

[DarkBahamut]

heh


Naruto Probably gonna end up losing to Gaara and Sasuke will finish him off with the curse seal

as much i hate saying that it the most likely thing to happen cause the animator like Sasuke so much (Those Bastard) While Naruto alway get the short end of the straw throughout the entire 75 episode he look heroic maybe 8-9 times and yet he not gonna be able to beat Gaara now, maybe weaken him cause he use alot of Kyubi Charka during the fight with Neji.

[Haku no Fuyu]

I've read the manga, and I have to say, the upcoming episodes will be talked about for a while. I personally can't wait ^.^

[Saruto]

Originally posted by: Haku no Fuyu
I've read the manga, and I have to say, the upcoming episodes will be talked about for a while. I personally can't wait ^.^

What is the chapter of the 75 ep please!!!!

[baka passing]

yea, i liked how naruto saves sasuke's ass too....but i thought this episode wasn't action-packed enough. too much sasuke and not enough of naruto. I did like the whole psychology of it...the more you want to kill, the more powerful you are, but naruto doesn't want to kill at all, wonder how that's gonna work out.

[Haku no Fuyu]

To Saruto:
It's 129.

[riftwing]

This is my take on the cursed seal thing. I think Kakashi said back at the 2nd exam that the cursed seal extracts chakra from the user at a massive level. When Kakashi sealed it, if Sasuke fell to evil goals the seal on the cursed seal would break and the cursed seal would take over. Sasuke was reminded of Itachi which is his goal and will do anything to accomplish as an "avenger" so the seal on it broke. Once that happened the seal extracted chakra from his body to power the chidori but because it used all his chakra he couldn't move anymore.

[Winged Dancer]

Young Gaara was completely cute. And he'll be cuter. Ah yes.


And I can only say, I'M SO FRIGGIN HAPPY I'VE READ THE MANGA!!! The next episodes are so going to rock. They'll be great, great.
In fact, I think that starting now, the entire series get better for the most part. I can't wait!!

[Seikishidan]

I hate all these filler episodes i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif

What the heck happened to the layout to forums...it looks so noobalicious i/expressions/brokenheart.gif

[chaos4ever4]

They need to sell a plushie or beanie baby doll of Gara. Flip it inside-out, you get the demon.. and you can do half-flips to get that transition state. I think it'd be a winner.

[Aegis Runestone]

Originally posted by: DarkBahamut
heh


Naruto Probably gonna end up losing to Gaara and Sasuke will finish him off with the curse seal

as much i hate saying that it the most likely thing to happen cause the animator like Sasuke so much (Those Bastard) While Naruto alway get the short end of the straw throughout the entire 75 episode he look heroic maybe 8-9 times and yet he not gonna be able to beat Gaara now, maybe weaken him cause he use alot of Kyubi Charka during the fight with Neji.

I doubt that. Go watch episode 62 and remember the look on Gaara's face when he sees Naruto use Kyubi's Chakra.

[JTD121]

Originally posted by: riftwing
This is my take on the cursed seal thing. I think Kakashi said back at the 2nd exam that the cursed seal extracts chakra from the user at a massive level. When Kakashi sealed it, if Sasuke fell to evil goals the seal on the cursed seal would break and the cursed seal would take over. Sasuke was reminded of Itachi which is his goal and will do anything to accomplish as an "avenger" so the seal on it broke. Once that happened the seal extracted chakra from his body to power the chidori but because it used all his chakra he couldn't move anymore.

No, Kakashi said that the power of the seal depends on the will of the person with the seal on him, I don't recall him saying anything about Chakra consumption. If Sasuke decided to go the evil path, that seal would break and Orochimaru's power could be used as Sasuke's. But then, Orochimaru could switch minds with Sasuke and it would be all over.

mainva | aptigo | JTD out

[riftwing]

There's no proof that the cursed seal uses Orochimaru's power either and if it did he would be able to move after that. My explanation makes more sense. I seem to remember somewhere that it says it forcibily extracts chakra from the user but I can't remember where it is. That also explains why Kakashi said that using the cursed seal might kill him right before he fights the guy in the 2nd exam.

[Lenas]

Originally posted by: baka passing
yea, i liked how naruto saves sasuke's ass too....but i thought this episode wasn't action-packed enough. too much sasuke and not enough of naruto. I did like the whole psychology of it...the more you want to kill, the more powerful you are, but naruto doesn't want to kill at all, wonder how that's gonna work out.

You're right.. Naruto only wants to protect his friends.

This is anime, you should know where the need to protect "those close to you" is going to take Naruto.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Seikishidan
I hate all these filler episodes i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif

What the heck happened to the layout to forums...it looks so noobalicious i/expressions/brokenheart.gif

would you mind telling me as to how that last episode was possibly a filler episode? or perhaps the past 7 episodes or so, for that matter

[riftwing]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure


Originally posted by: Seikishidan
I hate all these filler episodes i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif

What the heck happened to the layout to forums...it looks so noobalicious i/expressions/brokenheart.gif

would you mind telling me as to how that last episode was possibly a filler episode? or perhaps the past 7 episodes or so, for that matter

Heh yea... the only real "filler episode" I can really think of was that one where Naruto was trying to find the stadium or when they were waiting for Sasuke to appear.

[Krbadass]

Well it was good for a change, though they really need to get past the hokage fight. its dragging on, but i can't wait to watch naruto kick some ass.

[forgenjuro]

Look at all the drool on Gaara's mug! He must be pretty hungry...... FOR PAIN. Studying Gaara is a good way to know how to act like a insane beserked killer. Reminds me of Beserk..... That is one damn good series.... Takling about drool has made me hungry.

[itsgalf]

geeze people, can you please stop posting "Oh my, the next episodes are gonna be so cool!" It gets really annoying and it sort of ruins the moment when it does actually happen.

[Karasu]

Hmm to whoever called the ep a damn filler episode with flashbacks. Wierdo i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

Repetative flashbacks of things we have seen over and over are quite annoying in the longrun, but flashys of things we actually dont know about is nice, very nice if there is more Gaara flashys about how he came to be what he is. Its kinda called story.

It might be viewed as a filler if you look at it like an ep to bring Naruto to the spot. But I doubt that was the purpose of the episode. The purpose was to present the fact that Sasuke doesnt have even the remotest chance of winning ever!, and how he deals with it, and a bit about Gaara and his past.


To whoever who asked "Gaara just a Tad bit stronger?" I was sarcastic in the previous post there, offcourse Gaara is ALOT stronger than Sasuke atleast physically in that form, and if he transforms even more we just have to see, but I can imagine the power he can unleash if that happens.

Now I just hope for a nice fight Naruto - Gaara if they dont just snag Sasuke and leave. But that would suck, Im curious how Naruto will handle something like Gaara. Gaara has to be alot stronger (Physicaly) than Naruto is, but Naruto has his dumb wits that can cause som trouble. I hope Naruto looses i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[sangai]

the episode was very much like the manga to say there was filler is tottaly wrong

i thought it was a great episode can't wait for 76

[*kibakun*]

Sorry im kind of late for this talk i shouldve been here before but the thing is i wasnt able to. well anyways yes thanks to Naruto's awesome little last second thing he got there to save sasukes cocky little ass. oh and i agree with the bad animation at the end. people may say what do i have on the people that drew it you know. and i do have nothing but look at some of the animation in the other episodes, they shouldnt have to draw crappy like they did this time, why not like the fight between oro and sasuke, or shika and temari, or even shino and kankuro. seriouslly they cna do better, and they left sooo many erors, not as much spelling errors this post im making has thought, thank god. well anyways anyone got anythin else to say about it. and hey did everyone else see it coming that the seal was going to be broken, and maybe he would be using it. You know what else bothered me how it was only stupid sasuke and gaara i love sasuke but ive had enough i want to see some Ibiki, or some Naruto he did make a little appearence thought, and some of kakashi and Gai. well anyways reply to what i said please

[tensai]

i dont know if the baki and genma fight is going to continue, i dont read the manga so im not spoiling or anything
its just that they havent shown one scene of that fight for soo long already
maybe they just want us to forget about that fight
and the title for the next episode seems like it is gonna be at night, that would be kinda weird if they went back to daylight with the baki vs genma fight again.

just my thoughts, cant wait for the next episode

[Aegis Runestone]

Originally posted by: Karasu
Hmm to whoever called the ep a damn filler episode with flashbacks. Wierdo i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

Repetative flashbacks of things we have seen over and over are quite annoying in the longrun, but flashys of things we actually dont know about is nice, very nice if there is more Gaara flashys about how he came to be what he is. Its kinda called story.

It might be viewed as a filler if you look at it like an ep to bring Naruto to the spot. But I doubt that was the purpose of the episode. The purpose was to present the fact that Sasuke doesnt have even the remotest chance of winning ever!, and how he deals with it, and a bit about Gaara and his past.


To whoever who asked "Gaara just a Tad bit stronger?" I was sarcastic in the previous post there, offcourse Gaara is ALOT stronger than Sasuke atleast physically in that form, and if he transforms even more we just have to see, but I can imagine the power he can unleash if that happens.

Now I just hope for a nice fight Naruto - Gaara if they dont just snag Sasuke and leave. But that would suck, Im curious how Naruto will handle something like Gaara. Gaara has to be alot stronger (Physicaly) than Naruto is, but Naruto has his dumb wits that can cause som trouble. I hope Naruto looses i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif


Originally posted by: Aegis Runestone


Originally posted by: DarkBahamut
Naruto Probably gonna end up losing to Gaara and Sasuke will finish him off with the curse seal

as much i hate saying that it the most likely thing to happen cause the animator like Sasuke so much (Those Bastard) While Naruto alway get the short end of the straw throughout the entire 75 episode he look heroic maybe 8-9 times and yet he not gonna be able to beat Gaara now, maybe weaken him cause he use alot of Kyubi Charka during the fight with Neji.

I doubt that. Go watch episode 62 and remember the look on Gaara's face when he sees Naruto use Kyubi's Chakra.

okay, so if Naruto is going to loose, why was Gaara afraid of Kyubi's Chakra in that episode?

[Krbadass]

I said it in the old forums, and ill say it again, im tired of hearing about the manga in this forum, the word doesn't even belong here, please do not refer to it, if you wan't to, do it in open discussion or naruto manga section, this is the anime, we do not care what happened in the manga.

[jonny-mt]

I thought this episode was pretty spiffy, too, but I agree there needs to be more clarification on Sasuke's seal/Naruto's use of the Kyuubi's chakra.

As for the first one, I think the reason Sasuke collapsed was because he went ahead and used Chidori 3 times in one day. Kakashi had said that the third attack wouldn't happen, but he went ahead and pulled it off...it's only thanks to the seal that he's still alive, if you ask me. And if you'll remember, Sasuke was in a lot of pain during the preliminaries; he could barely fight because of the seal, which Kakashi hadn't contained yet. Outside of the fight against the Sound Nin, we haven't seen a single time that Sasuke used the seal without ill effects (and even then it wore him out if I remember correctly...he could barely use Sharingan at that last part because of it).

As for Kyuubi, I think that Naruto and the Kyuubi's chakra are gradually mixing, just like Jiraiya said. Can't tell you how glad I am to see that, because as cool as I thought Naruto was calling up the Kyuubi chakra against Neji, I'd hate to see this series descend into Dragonball Z-esqe "power ups". Now that Naruto knows what it feels like, there's no longer a need for him to really separate out the powers; the wall is gradually breaking down, and Naruto is beginning to really use the Kyuubi's chakra as his own. Once he masters it, he's going to be a real force to reckon with.

[frexeze]

Originally posted by: chaos4ever4
They need to sell a plushie or beanie baby doll of Gara. Flip it inside-out, you get the demon.. and you can do half-flips to get that transition state. I think it'd be a winner.


lol

i'd buy it i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[JTD121]

Originally posted by: chaos4ever4
They need to sell a plushie or beanie baby doll of Gara. Flip it inside-out, you get the demon.. and you can do half-flips to get that transition state. I think it'd be a winner.

I would probably buy that, but I think it would be kinda hard to pull off.

mainva | aptigo | JTD out

[PoDy]

hmm i was thinking about the chiddori stuff.....
and while watching i noticed that they said that sasuke cannot use it more then 2 times... But he used it twice in the staduim already. the first was to hit garaa and the second to get hes hand out of the sandball.
And then he goes after kankuro and Temari,after that he encounters garaa and used the chiddori twice again and then a third time.

I mean did sasuke eat some food and sleep while chaseing temari and kankuro?
how could he regain all of hes chakara while chaseing someone?

[bender83j]

The episode was awsome. The end where naruto comes and KICKS HIM IN THE FACE, god i can't stop watching that part. the problem with this situation is they haev to many things going on at once and they can't cover them all. it have taken 4 episodes and ochimaru still isn't dead or killed the geezer. i am getting mad that they keep starting new things without concluding others. the match examiner person is still standing there ready to fight the sand guy. i donno if anything is gonna happen with that but i would like to see it.
Now that i got that off my chest i can't wait to watch naruto and Gara fight. Naruto i don't believe can summon the frog king because the other pervert hobit did to kill the snakes and i donno if there can be 2 out at once? but anyway Naruto going mental on Gara would be TOTALY awsome. i have a very bad feeling that the next episode will be crappy and 1 huge flashback and then it will set the scene for the battle that will be in 2 episodes.

[frexeze]

Originally posted by: bender83j
Naruto i don't believe can summon the frog king because the other pervert hobit did to kill the snakes and i donno if there can be 2 out at once?

Jiraiya didn't summon Gamabunta.. it was just another frog

[Nara Shikamaru]

Originally posted by: frexeze


Originally posted by: bender83j
Naruto i don't believe can summon the frog king because the other pervert hobit did to kill the snakes and i donno if there can be 2 out at once?

Jiraiya didn't summon Gamabunta.. it was just another frog

yep he said in an older episode that even he,jiraiya, frog hermit, cannot control gamabunta

[Toruxxx]

Originally posted by: PoDy
hmm i was thinking about the chiddori stuff.....
and while watching i noticed that they said that sasuke cannot use it more then 2 times... But he used it twice in the staduim already. the first was to hit garaa and the second to get hes hand out of the sandball.
And then he goes after kankuro and Temari,after that he encounters garaa and used the chiddori twice again and then a third time.

I mean did sasuke eat some food and sleep while chaseing temari and kankuro?
how could he regain all of hes chakara while chaseing someone?

he used the seal that Oro gave him that gave him the chakra to do it again.

[wander-er]

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Originally posted by: PoDy
hmm i was thinking about the chiddori stuff.....
and while watching i noticed that they said that sasuke cannot use it more then 2 times... But he used it twice in the staduim already. the first was to hit garaa and the second to get hes hand out of the sandball.
And then he goes after kankuro and Temari,after that he encounters garaa and used the chiddori twice again and then a third time.

I mean did sasuke eat some food and sleep while chaseing temari and kankuro?
how could he regain all of hes chakara while chaseing someone?
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he used the seal that Oro gave him that gave him the chakra to do it again.

Actually, I believe Sasuke only used it 3 times: Once in the stadium (pulling his arm out did not require the activision of Chidori), then twice against Gaara in the forest. I don't believe the cursed seal contributed to the Chidori in any way. The idea is that he should have only been able to do it twice, but he forced himself over his limit (at the risk of incurring dbz hater wraths) just like Goku's power-ups. But, being that he did force himself to go beyond his standard limit, he drained his chakra which weakened him and thus the curse seal was activated.

Overall very good episode. Too bad next one will be mainly flashbacks, can't wait to see Naruto beat up Gaara and I hope Sasuke remains conscious long enough to see Naruto beat someone that Sasuske himself could not. That would be most satisfying i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[riftwing]

The Cursed Seal doesn't have its own chakra supply so when he uses the cursed seal hes just using his own chakra but hes just burning it really quickly which is why its also dangerous. At least thats the way I saw it, I don't see how the cursed seal can have its own chakra.

[Inquisitor77]

The giant frog Jiraiya summons to fight the snakes is NOT Gamabunta, it's just another big frog. If you watch, it has a smooth head, which Gamabunta definitely doesn't have. Also, Gamabunta always seems to have a pipe in his mouth. If you watch the first episode, you can see that the Fourth Hokage summoned Gamabunta to fight, just like Naruto summoned him to save his life.

I'm pretty sure that Jiraiya *can* summon Gamabunta - he just needs a really, really, REALLY good reason, otherwise Gamabunta will be pissed off at him and just whomp him or something, hehe. That and even if he summons him, he can't control him. At least, not like the Fourth probably could...


It seems like the cursed seal is just a portal for chakra transfer; if Sasuke uses the seal, he can siphon chakra from Orochimaru. However, if the seal breaks completely, then Orochimaru can take over his body. Kakashi strengthened the seal with Sasuke's will, but since it's based on Saskue's own will, if he wants it broken, it will break.

The seal that Naruto has is more like an actual seal in the way we think of it - it's holding Kyuubi as a prisoner inside his body. If there is an even number of seals, the prison completely walls off Naruto's chakra from the Kyuubi's chakra. However, if there's an odd number, then they aren't blocked off completely, and they start to intermingle. If the seal is completely broken, then the Kyuubi comes out, and I'm thinking he either takes over Naruto's body, or Naruto dies in the process. Without the seals to block the Kyuubi's power, Naruto would be completely overwhelmed, and wouldn't be able to maintain control.

That's my take on it, anyway...

[Solo]

I still wonder where Lee is.. I doubt that Gai just let him fall to the ground in his condition when Kabuto does the genjutsu thingy.. They could atleast drawn something like Gai take him in his arms and put him in a safe spot..

[JTD121]

Originally posted by: Inquisitor77
The seal that Naruto has is more like an actual seal in the way we think of it - it's holding Kyuubi as a prisoner inside his body. If there is an even number of seals, the prison completely walls off Naruto's chakra from the Kyuubi's chakra. However, if there's an odd number, then they aren't blocked off completely, and they start to intermingle. If the seal is completely broken, then the Kyuubi comes out, and I'm thinking he either takes over Naruto's body, or Naruto dies in the process. Without the seals to block the Kyuubi's power, Naruto would be completely overwhelmed, and wouldn't be able to maintain control.

Well, the seal Naruto has on the Kyuubi is an eight seal isn't it? But when Orochimaru put a 5 seal on it, it became 13, and he couldn't use the extra Chakra. But when Jiraiya took the 5 seal off, it was 8 again, and he could use the Kyuubi's Chakra like his own. So maybe your theory is on the right track, but still has some work.

I can see how you would think that, but then again Sasuke's seal is three, plus the whatever number Kakashi put on top of it.

mainva | aptigo | JTD out

[Inquisitor77]

OK, I think my memory is shot, because what I remember and how it's explained in the episode are different... =P

The way it's explained in the translation is as follows:

There are two Shishou-Fuin (Four-Symbol Seals), making it a Hakke-Fuin (Eight-Trigram Seal). This is done so that the Kyuubi's chakra will flow from the two Shishou-Fuin back into Naruto's chakra.

I'm guessing that doing this allows them to intermingle evenly and at a controlled rate, so Kyuubi's charak doesn't overwhelm Naruto and kill him.

Orochimaru put a Gogyo-Fuin (Five Element Seal) on top of the two Shishou-Fuin (aka Hakke-Fuin), causing the flow of the Kyuubi's chakra from the Shishou-Fuin into Naruto's body to become uncontrolled/unstable.

This is why Naruto couldn't control his chakra well enough to stand on the water - the flow from his own chakra and the Kyuubi's chakra was unregulated.

Once Jiraiya opened Orochimaru's Gogyo-Fuin ("released" it, making it go away), it allowed the chakra to have a controlled flow again, letting Naruto use it more easily. That's why afterward he was able to walk on the water without trying nearly as hard.

I'm not sure how the odd/even thing works, but it seems to me like having odd-numbers on odd-numbers is ok, and even-numbers on even-numbers (maybe just having an overall sum of an even number is ok? hehe), but odd + even seals is a big no no...


Later on, Jiraiya talks about how even though Naruto has a controlled flow of chakra from the Kyuubi again, his body rejects it because it's "too small" to hold all that chakra, and doesn't want to place itself under too much stress. He then goes on to talk about teaching Naruto how to unleash and use all that power, even if his body doesn't want to, and finishes with something like "Nothing personal, Fourth Hokage." If you ask me, this implies that he's teaching Naruto to do something that the Fourth didn't want him to do - namely, become aware of the Kyuubi within him (since no one is supposed to talk about it) and use its chakra when he wants to.

[JTD121]

That seems like a reasonable theory; very solid evolution from Inquisitors' theory. Since it was an eight-seal and then a five-seal would make it a 13-seal. And since he couldn't use the Kyuubi's power properly, apparently the even seals will allow his Chakra to mix with the Kyuubi's.

However, there is the question of how much of the Kyuubi's Chakra Naruto can actually use. If he is somehow able to extract ALL of the Kyuubi's Chakra, wouldn't the Kyuubi be able to break free from the seal or something? Just something I was wondering, since he can use the Kyuubi's Chakra, but I wanted to know if there was a limit to his power with the seal on him.

mainva | aptigo | JTD out

[Goobermeister]

regarding the number of times sasuke uses the chidori, i think it is 5. he uses it once on gaara in the stadium to break through the shell of sand, he uses it again to take his hand out of the shell of sand.(there was a flash of blue light when he pulled his hand out of the shell), he used it 3 times fighting garra in the forest(i think it was 3). 2 times without the seal and once with it. im not sure how he did it more than 2 times with out the seal, but i thought the seal was a chakra amplification jutsu and i can see how that would enable him to do it more than twice in a day. as for the naruto seal, even numbered seal lets the kyubi's chakra mix evenly with naruto's chakra and odd seals make the mix uneven. so he cant use his chatora correctly. (chatora????hmmmm.....)

[JTD121]

Originally posted by: Goobermeister
regarding the number of times sasuke uses the chidori, i think it is 5. he uses it once on gaara in the stadium to break through the shell of sand, he uses it again to take his hand out of the shell of sand.(there was a flash of blue light when he pulled his hand out of the shell), he used it 3 times fighting garra in the forest(i think it was 3). 2 times without the seal and once with it. im not sure how he did it more than 2 times with out the seal, but i thought the seal was a chakra amplification jutsu and i can see how that would enable him to do it more than twice in a day.

I'm sure if he actually used it five times, he wouldn't be alive for Naruto to save him. He used it three times. When did they say you had to just let go of the Chidori once you hit the target? Sasuke didn't let the Chakra go immediately after hitting the sand sphere, he held it, to cause maximum damage, and then made it form around his arm to pull his arm out.

The second and third were in the forest.

mainva | aptigo | JTD out

[ZakuHan]

He used Chidori four times..

1. Charged Gaara's shell and busted through it, striking his shoulder. All the pretty sparklies are gone, only his hand on his now-bloodied shoulder.

2. After standing and basking in satisfaction at having penetrated Gaara's "absolute" defense for a couple minutes, Gaara begins to go nuts. Sasuke panics and tries to pull his arm out (in that state, he couldn't have had enough concentration to keep the Chakra build-up in his hand without losing it), realizes it's stuck and re-activates Chidori to cut it out (Right in time).

3. Sasuke and Gaara charge eachother from their respective perches on tree branches.. Sasuke slices through the transformed right arm, temporarily severing the sand.

4. Once more, Sasuke and Gaara fly at eachother, this time Sasuke knows he's going over his limit. Chidori begins to fail, but the cursed seal kicks in and forces more Chakra from him, keeping Chidori barely alive.. But enough to cut through the sand and again severs the transformed arm. Sasuke's down for the count with the cursed seal spreading over his body.

Only explanation I can think of is, for the extra shot, he got enough Chakra regenerated while chasing the three Sand kids most of the day and not using any, to allow for one extra shot of Chidori. In his flashbacks of training with Kakashi I'd assume he was trying to use the Chidori in a chain of successive use. Here, it was two, then goes most of the day chasing through the woods.. Squeaks out one more good one, then stretches himself over the limit for a weak fourth one.

~Chris

Edit:
By the way, about Sasuke's seal. I believe it works something like the 8 Gates. When the cursed seal activate it forces out more Chakra than the body wants to allow, past its limit. That's why in the woods, Sasuke became super-human briefly, until his Chakra was exhausted. And now, he can't move, cause he only had enough for that weakened Chidori, even with the cursed seal.

[JTD121]

Originally posted by: ZakuHan
By the way, about Sasuke's seal. I believe it works something like the 8 Gates. When the cursed seal activate it forces out more Chakra than the body wants to allow, past its limit. That's why in the woods, Sasuke became super-human briefly, until his Chakra was exhausted. And now, he can't move, cause he only had enough for that weakened Chidori, even with the cursed seal.

I see...So he used it four times.

Maybe Kakashi should've taught Sasuke about the 8 Gates, and tried to make him unlock a few of them. Since he has the speed and power, his body should certainly be able to open a few Gates to increase his speed and power. But whatever...

That makes me wonder, if the human body normally has 8 Gates, does that mean Naruto and Gaara have 16? Since they each have another being in them....

Also, I want them to continue the other fights and whatnot going on in the stadium! And I want Rock back! Let's see his Secondary Lotus again just because! I love that...

mainva | aptigo | JTD out

[ZakuHan]

Interesting thought but I don't think so.. They don't have a second body inside them. The gates aren't a physical thing either, they're just points in the body that control the chakra flow. The demons inside Naruto and Gaara are essences of the beasts that were sealed, not a physical form i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

~Chris

[Assertn]

first of all, @ the post about jiraiya not being able to call gamabunta: there's a difference between summoning him, and controlling him. It would be pathetic for a sannin (especially one so obsessed with frogs) to not be able to summon the leader of the species they contracted with. Not to mention that gamabunta KNOWS jiraiya AND thought jiraiya summoned him in the canyon and put naruto on his head. This leads me to believe he's summoned him before.

as for the chidori being used more than 3 times.....
i believe they tried to make it clear in the last episode that those were his 2nd and 3rd times using the chidori against gaara. The time when he was pulling his hand out was either a continuation of the 1st one or just something flashy the animators felt like doin

[Goobermeister]

mmmmmmmmm.... could be only 3 times. but 5 was totally wrong and i apologize for that. however im more inclined with four times as zaku explained it. as for the cursed seals acting as the 8 gates thing, i disagree. i still think its more of an amplification thing. if someone can tell me where they say otherwise, i'd gladly admit my wrong.

[androshalforc]

hrmm as to the whole cursed seal thing i always saw it as a transfer point it transfers snakemans power to sauske but it damages sauske at the same time kinda thing and since orichimaru is in a battle for his life when sauskes will broke wouldent that mean that orichimaru could drain sauskes power
and for the frog thing i believe that it wasent that he couldent he could easily summon him but not controll him

[BlankZero]

Ahhh... yes. That was a rather fun episode. I always love the stereotypical "pushing the limits" theme in animes. Sasuke's plight gives me my jollies. I'm guessing that Naruto will now unleash the power of the Demon Fox, and it will be monster versus monster. Sounds fun.

BTW, would anyone be so kind as to instruct me on how to get a cool icon for my author icon? I can only choose from the default set...

[Neji-Aniki-sama]

http://avatars.gotwoot.net
go there and upload whatever pic you like best...
There are help forums, tho... check them out next time. Folks here can be picky sumtimes...