Oro's strength

[hiten mitsurugi]

The more I think about it, the stronger Oro gets. Oro was strong enough to kill the sand kage and the third (granted the third was old). But what's really surprising is this:
Everyone agrees that Akatsuki member are strong. (especially the leader)
So if Akatsuki is that feared, why did Oro just simply leave? It's because he wasn't scared of any of the head members. Why didn't Akatsuki send anyone to kill Oro (hunter nin)? Because the leader probably knew that the members couldn't. Oro definitely knew about their plans because he stated, "if that boy (Naruto) falls into their hands, it will mean trouble for me. Why can't Akatsuki kill him? He's too damn strong.

[Jman]

Akatsuki's intent is tp get the kyubi so right now Oro doesn't mean anything to them. kyubi does have more power than any other force so for them to go after Oro would probably be a waste of time to them.

[rockmanj]

i'm not sure how they could kill him, even if he were a priority, inless some1 in the organization knows how to kill souls

[Jman]

well granted that the organization is made up of many high level fighters including kisame and itachi, i don't think that it would be a very hard task to kill oro. i'm sure that even oro fears itachi

[hiten mitsurugi]

I don't think that Itachi can kill Oro. I don't see Itachi ever being in a position that would give him an upper hand against Oro. Kyubi is more important. What do you mean? Oro definitely knows about Akatsuki wanting Kyubi, so my point is If Oro knows, he can easily interfere by killing Naruto along with Kyubi. So Oro himself becomes a threat to Akatsuki, because he knows too much. For example, he could name all the members of Akatsuki. Those kinds of things. Come on, no on leaves a powerful organization, you think the mafia, triad, yakuza would just let you leave. If you do, you must live in an entirely different world. My point is if someone in Akatsuki was able to kill Oro (let's say Itachi since he was brought up) then he would have done so already.

[Boogster]

As has been repeatedly pointed out by the Itachi-lovers, Oro has seemingly admitted to fearing Itachi's power.

But as to the main, or certainly implied, point of this thread: I too think that Oro's power is sometimes under-estimated. He is, in my opinion, the most powerful character revealed atm. Ofc, over time, we will see more weaknesses, and other characters will develop in order to exploit them - but I cannot in all honesty see any obvious vulnerabilities at this point in the series.

[Gods_Son]

We have already seen Oro at his best, he was strong, but without arms he is useless and shouldn't be in the spotlight. They could perhaps introduce the next Akatsuki member by having him kill Oro, or just have Kabuto finally kill him, either way I see no reason to have him continue to live

[oni roh]

Oro is definitly one of the strongest characters introduced so far, people that say that itachi is the strongest/best etc. etc. have NO bases to make this theory on. the fact is WE HAVE NOT SEE SHIZ OF ITACHI'S SKILL, meaning 2 things, itachi could be alot weaker then we think he is (which i doubt) or a lot stronger, i highly doubt itachi is a lot stronger then, jiraiya, orochimaro, the late 3rd hokage, or anybody else. I think he is above juunin level but not so good he would slaughter everyone.

I personaly think Oro is alot stronger then we give him credit for, he was able to "basically" defeat the third, evade jiraiya/naruto/tsunade WITHOUT any arms, and later in the future i can def. see some major conflict between the members of akatsuki and oro

[Mut]

no doubt that oro is strong. i think orochimaru just left akatsuki because no one stopped him. no point in stopping him. orochimaru and akatsuki has different motives. akatsuki wants naruto, orochimaru wants sasuke.

[MightyDustLoop]

It's also possible Akatsuki doesn't even believe Oro's worth killing (then they'd be like ungodly strong). Or maybe they DID actually get it done and he used his last energy to take that girls body.

IOW, we're making total assumptions here, and we've still got nothing.

[kaigan]

itachi kills his whole family at like the age of 13. i think that says alot about how power the motherfucker is.

[Tenkei]

Logic says that, yes, Orochimaru is strong (as he's the main villain right now) -- but because of the fact that the Itachi arc hasn't come up yet, we should already be able to tell, easily, that Itachi will be stronger than Oro, just from the way the manga is progressing.

That's just one of the things, though. Yes, Orochimaru is strong. I wouldn't exactly go and overestimate him, though. Akatsuki is definitely not afraid of Orochimaru. I think if Akatsuki was even after him, we would have heard something about it at some point. I think it's more likely that Orochimaru just decided he didn't want what Akatsuki did and left, and there was no conflict.

Akatsuki hasn't even been revealed yet - and the fact that Itachi is in the group and being directed by a leader (please note: I'm no Itachi fanboy, I'm just following the way things progress from strong bad guy up, as the manga goes) .. well.

That tells me that Akatsuki members to be revealed later (Probably in an order of arcs [and strength] Oro, then Itachi, then Akatsuki's other members and/or leader.) are probably even stronger than Itachi. So that'd be why I definitely don't think they have any worries over Orochimaru. Orochimaru isn't even interested in Naruto, so I don't see why anyone would care what he does.

[Mut]

it is possible that itachi is the akatsuki's leader. hahaha.

ok anyway. but seriously, i don't think the akatsuki has an actual leader. i think they are sort of like the evil justice league. they're just all super powerful bad guys who got together to do what needs to be done. there are no leaders but they are able to work together and agree on capturing all things related to jutsus. also, i think itachi is one of strongest in the group, if not, the strongest or the one the nins should be most cautious and concerned about. i don't think we'll see someone who is even more stronger than itachi. but if that happens, it'll be WAY later on in the story, as orochimaru and itachi are almost god-like right now.

[oni roh]

lol oro in sasuke's body = itachi owned



itachi kills his whole family at like the age of 13. i think that says alot about how power the motherfucker is.

lol i don't think that says a whole lote i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif who's to say that the whole generation of uchiha members at that point in time weren't just a bunch of panzey's?

[lasaire]

Except for the fact, Oni, that Orochimaru falt out says Itachi is stronger than him.

Coming from a man with such an enormous ego that he wants to learn every jutsu in the world and become a GOD, that says a great deal.

Go back and read over the chapter in the manga where Oro and Kabuto begin their search for Tsunade.

[MemnochTheCaT]

Nah, I think if Itachi was as strong as some people try to make him out to be, he would already have taken what he wants. The main reason people think he's strong is because he is hardly ever around, so he maintains a certain mystique carried by some very vague details.

[Hakeem_21]

Oro cant just Kill Naruto cause Jiraya and Tsunade is protecting him and those two are at least as strong as Oro or even stronger.
Also Naruto is getting stronger all the time so if Oro wants to kill Naruto he should try to kill him now before he gets to strong to be killed by Oro.

When Oro finds out what Naruto does to Kimimaro (if Naruto kicks kimis ass) then Oro will probaly be after Naruto.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
Oro cant just Kill Naruto cause Jiraya and Tsunade is protecting him and those two are at least as strong as Oro or even stronger.
Also Naruto is getting stronger all the time so if Oro wants to kill Naruto he should try to kill him now before he gets to strong to be killed by Oro.

When Oro finds out what Naruto does to Kimimaro (if Naruto kicks kimis ass) then Oro will probaly be after Naruto.

there's no way naruto is gonna kick kimimaro's ass. and naruto is many YEARS away from becoming to strong to be killed by orochimaru.

[MemnochTheCaT]

I'm not sure, they've made a big deal about how Kimi was sick and all, he might just end up collapsing during the exchange. Naruto might win anyways, he has a way of coming through in tough situations. He could also give gamabunta a ring lol, I'd love to see what Kimi would do then! I know if a 300 foot tall katana-carrying toad appeared in front of me, I'd crap my pants. Either that, or give my compliments to the drug dealer i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[hiten mitsurugi]

The point is once somone knows your agenda (Oro), you don't let them live, because if they're caught, they will ultimately reveal all your motives and members. The leader of akatsuki may be a powerful political figure (like the kage of the hidden mist village) who doesn't want to be linked to akatsuki. I don't care about Itachi, the point is they didn't send anyone, not one member, to try and kill Oro. I believe that if they had sent someone in the past, Oro would be more cautious, like Zambusa. I believe the didn't send anyone because it would have been a really difficult task and Oro is two strong for two members of akatsuki.

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: dazzz


Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
Oro cant just Kill Naruto cause Jiraya and Tsunade is protecting him and those two are at least as strong as Oro or even stronger.
Also Naruto is getting stronger all the time so if Oro wants to kill Naruto he should try to kill him now before he gets to strong to be killed by Oro.

When Oro finds out what Naruto does to Kimimaro (if Naruto kicks kimis ass) then Oro will probaly be after Naruto.

there's no way naruto is gonna kick kimimaro's ass. and naruto is many YEARS away from becoming to strong to be killed by orochimaru.



Naruto isnt gonna lose we all know that maybe a tie but not a loss.

In a couple of years Naruto WILL be able to kill Oro.

[Mut]

no way dude. naruto is gonna have to put up an L on his score board. kimimaro being introduced just to lose by naruto is too lame. if kimimaro is gonna get owned, it's gonna be sasuke.

[MemnochTheCaT]

It's too early to say, they've already made a big deal of Kimi's illness. They could make it look like Kimi has totally crushed Naruto, but then he falls over, chakra depleted, and a big emotional death where Naruto remembers Haku/Zabuza as he thinks of good/evil in flashbacks when thinking of Kimi/Oro. Who knows, but it's not over till it's over, and you can't count Naruto out, that's a guarantee.

[Hakeem_21]

Thats why im talking about a tie cause you can see a mile away that as usual that Sasuke will play the hero and beat Kimi then go to Oro. Kishimato likes when Sasuke plays the hero. Im so fricking tired of the Sasuke saga.

[MemnochTheCaT]

Yeah, this arc has me wishing that Sasuke would just die in the barrel. What a selfish jackass, he should have just moved on with his life, but no .. he has to seek more power, putting his friends in death's path in the process.

Sasuke could have been cool, could have continued to train with Kakashi, maybe get the curse seal removed by Jiraiya, but he's just an immature, worthless punk!

[Mut]

i don't think the curse seal can be removed by anyone but orochimaru himself. otherwise, anko wouldn't still have one.

[MemnochTheCaT]

Maybe Anko was too embarrassed to ask for help? Also, Jiraiya has been a bit of a recluse, not even the 3rd knew where he was at.

[Hakeem_21]

Kakashi said that someone would remove the seal later to Sasuke after his first fight in the prem.

[sangai]

no he said we'll do something about that seal, like what kakashi did he put a evil suppressor seal on it (didn't do much good)

[MemnochTheCaT]

Still does nothing to prove or disprove the possiblity that Jiraiya could fix the seal altogether.

Jiraiya easily removed the modification that Orochimaru made to Naruto's seal. Now you could say that it was just because Orochimaru was in a hurry with Naruto and didn't bother making it solid, or that because the original seal Oro modified wasn't his to begin with that he couldn't lock it tight, but who knows. The ease of which Jiraiya removed the mod means that he is VERY good at that kind of thing. Unfortunately, with the limited information that we have to work with, there's no way to tell if Jiraiya would be able to remove a curse seal of Oro's.

[Hakeem_21]

Ok but still there must someone that can remove a seal in the hole leaf village. Im 100% sure that at lest the 3 Hogake could have removed it.

[sangai]

well oro never modified narutos he added an uneven seal to a even seal to through off the balance and disrupt it

[MemnochTheCaT]

Yeah too bad the 3rd has a slight case of death. I think that someone will eventually will sucessfully remove the seal, because Sasuke is one of Kishimoto's favorite characters, and it would be undeniably lame as hell for him to always rely on the curse for strength, just like it would be lame for Naruto to rely on Kyuubi forever. Both Naruto and Sasuke need to find and perfect their own strength without relying on cheap sources, otherwise they cheapen themselves.

EDIT : To Sangai, adding a seal to an existing seal is modification. Sorta like if I took an existing image and painted something else in the middle of it .. modification. Either way, Oro's handiwork was erased like it was never there by Jiraiya, with no sweat.

[Hakeem_21]

The diffrence is Naruto that Naruto has to work hard to get stonger wile Sasuke can just copy a great ninja to get better.

[khaodessy]

what about the 5th i havent seen anyone say anything about having her take a crack at removing the seal. she is the best medicial-nin in the entire leaf. so saying if anyone could do it i would have to go with her.

[sangai]

i bet oro would have used a stronger seal if he new naruto was going to run into jiraiya

i dunno it seems like the cursed seal is very complex and not easly removed,im saying the seal used on naruto was probably a good seal but not the best its something that can be easily removed

the thing is did oro make the curse seal and if thats the case would there actually be any one else who could remove

and the seal is a jutsu i doubt tsunade could do anything about it she medical specialist not a seal specialist

[MemnochTheCaT]

Lots of interesting possibilities i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif Can't wait to get some more info .. PLOT progression dammit!

Hmm, the curse seal Oro put on Sasuke only took like 5 seconds .. didn't look complicated at all, watch ep 30, 9 minutes in .. he just goes all rubber necky and bites him i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif We can't know for sure, but I bet Jiraiya's 5-element unsealer could take care of it.

[khaodessy]

Originally posted by: sangai sakusei
i bet oro would have used a stronger seal if he new naruto was going to run into jiraiya

i dunno it seems like the cursed seal is very complex and not easly removed,im saying the seal used on naruto was probably a good seal but not the best its something that can be easily removed

the thing is did oro make the curse seal and if thats the case would there actually be any one else who could remove

and the seal is a jutsu i doubt tsunade could do anything about it she medical specialist not a seal specialist

but she was the 1st choice of oro to heal his arms so he must know of alot about seals and removing them also. if not why else would he go to her

[Mut]

obviously the seal orochimaru put on naruto was a quickie. the one sasuke got was planned out and prepared.

[Hotsuma]

They didn't go after Oro, because he wasn't worth it.

[Hakeem_21]

Hotsuma is right cause if they are all high level ninjas like shark guy and Itachi they wouldn't care about Oro until he gets in their way.

[Yondaime]

i think oro is least of their worries since i think Naruto is far more profitable to them ...coz they could unleash or harness the powers of Kyubi ...while Oro is just an idiot...who just keeps showing his snake like tongue to everyone....i mean...come....have some good high level jutsus....other than sensi jayshu...whatever

[Hokage-IV]

Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
Yeah too bad the 3rd has a slight case of death. I think that someone will eventually will sucessfully remove the seal, because Sasuke is one of Kishimoto's favorite characters, and it would be undeniably lame as hell for him to always rely on the curse for strength, just like it would be lame for Naruto to rely on Kyuubi forever. Both Naruto and Sasuke need to find and perfect their own strength without relying on cheap sources, otherwise they cheapen themselves.

EDIT : To Sangai, adding a seal to an existing seal is modification. Sorta like if I took an existing image and painted something else in the middle of it .. modification. Either way, Oro's handiwork was erased like it was never there by Jiraiya, with no sweat.


why is it lame relying on kyuubi forever? Kyuubi is naruot's tool nothin wrong with it.

is it cheap for sasuke or itachi to rely on the sharingan forever?

Sasuke received his sharingan from his father, Naruto received kyuubi power from his father.
Sasuke was born with sharingan , Naruto was born with kyuubi power .

[hiten mitsurugi]

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
Hotsuma is right cause if they are all high level ninjas like shark guy and Itachi they wouldn't care about Oro until he gets in their way.

See that's where you're wrong. When a person leaves an organization like Akatsuki, it puts everyone at risk. That's why Oro is more in their way than Naruto. I'll explain it this way:
1. Naruto is something they want to acquire.
2. Oro is like the pebble in their shoe, or rock in their road. Especially since he knows what kind of shoes they wear and what road they are travelling on.

Naruto should be insignificant to Akatsuki, since he's not an immediate threat. Oro is an immediate threat to their security and plans. They haven't killed Oro yet, most likely because they can't.

[Hotsuma]

That's getting way too far ahead of a game, you don't even know.

It's also very possible that Oro doesn't know the full extent of Akatsuki's plans. Akatsuki is pretty secretive, and from what we've seen so far, not too hasty.

[hiten mitsurugi]

Originally posted by: Hotsuma
That's getting way too far ahead of a game, you don't even know.

It's also very possible that Oro doesn't know the full extent of Akatsuki's plans. Akatsuki is pretty secretive, and from what we've seen so far, not too hasty.



We know that Oro knows about Akatsuki trying to acquire Naruto. Think about it, Oro is one of the lengendary sannin. He would have known about many of Akatsukis plans.

[sage_shinobi]

dont you think it would kill sasuke to get the seal removed l mean you saw how much strength Jiraiya used on naruto to undo the seal oro did but if he did that to sasuke that would sorta be like braking his neck and who is the leader of Akatsuki?

[Hotsuma]

Akatsuki is an extremely secretive organization. If they knew everything there is to know about Akatsuki, and their intentions, the villages would've surely sent some Anbu teams to scope it out.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Hokage-IV
...Naruto received kyuubi power from his father...
...Naruto was born with kyuubi power .
hahahahh right.

[_Sasuke_]

Anko had a cursed seal too, or does she still have it? if she still has it, then it's a seal that cant be removed very easily, since the 3rd was still around when anko got her's, otherwise he would have removed it for her. If Anko doesnt have it no more, then forget what I typed above =P

[Mut]

anko still has it. i bet it can only be removed by orochimaru.

[BakaShinji]

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi


Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
Hotsuma is right cause if they are all high level ninjas like shark guy and Itachi they wouldn't care about Oro until he gets in their way.

See that's where you're wrong. When a person leaves an organization like Akatsuki, it puts everyone at risk. That's why Oro is more in their way than Naruto. I'll explain it this way:
1. Naruto is something they want to acquire.
2. Oro is like the pebble in their shoe, or rock in their road. Especially since he knows what kind of shoes they wear and what road they are travelling on.

Naruto should be insignificant to Akatsuki, since he's not an immediate threat. Oro is an immediate threat to their security and plans. They haven't killed Oro yet, most likely because they can't.

Makes sense.

But we know Oro's basically immortal - so what would be the point. It's like the pebble's built into the shoe - so they just have to live with it. Maybe they hop on the un-rocked foot?

[Hakeem_21]

Oro is not immortal if you kill his shell of body first then kill him again! If he hadn't a shell body when Tsunade kicked his ass in the sannin fight with all their summonings he would be dead now!

How can you say akatsuki cant kill Oro! If there other guys like Itachi or better in akatsuki they would kill Oro easily. Oro is not a god!

[Mut]

lol seriously. oro is super strong but i'm sure akatsuki can whoop him.

[Raven]

But we know Oro's basically immortal - so what would be the point. It's like the pebble's built into the shoe - so they just have to live with it. Maybe they hop on the un-rocked foot?
LOL! Taking the analogy a little bit too far.

That's the thing about these secret organisations..... there are many things that even the strongest, most high-level members don't know.

[hiten mitsurugi]

Oro isn't a god but then why hasn't Akatsuki killed him yet. This is what we know of about people who have left organizations:

1. Oro left Kohoha. All of Konoha nins know about Oro, and are to alert the third immediately. They are to confront and kill Oro.
2. Zambusa left the mist; Mist village sent hunter-nins for his head.
3. Sasuke left Konoha; Konoha sent a team (4 genins and 1 chunnin) after him.

Tsunade was fighting Oro without the ability of his arms. It was a handicap match and Jaraiya was there.

[Mut]

and kabuto was there, jiraiya was drugged, and tsunade fought most of the battle with her fear of blood.

maybe orochimaru leaving wasn't a big deal to the akatsuki. why bother with orochimaru when his goal differs from akatsuki's?