Sigs and avas going away??

[AlbinoFury]

Alright so all our beautiful avas are gone, destroyed. Sigs are hit and miss now, with sigs eventually being eliminated it looks like. what are your thoughts people! do we want our sigs and avas back?

I know i do

[littlecooldude]

Oh no, well, we're still trying to get that worked out.

[Insomniac]

yeah the avatars we're given arent too cool

[itachi_]

Man *sigh*, back to 2003 back then the forum was great!

[Naruto]

my ava is away? so what? ill make a new
also my sig is here ^_^


how can i change that figur in my avatar?
also there is a note to update my email adress?
how can i do that? i searched that help thing and it told me there would be a
button like : ?update email?
but i didnt find such a button...im a idiot ^^

[rEkKaShInObI]

How do you put your sigs back?

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: Naruto
my ava is away? so what? ill make a new
also my sig is here ^_^


how can i change that figur in my avatar?
also there is a note to update my email adress?
how can i do that? i searched that help thing and it told me there would be a
button like : ?update email?
but i didnt find such a button...im a idiot ^^

There's a button at the top right that says "Profile"....

[Naruto]

yes i know <_<
i clicked it and then this appeared:

NOTE: When you update your e-mail address, a new login password will be sent to the new e-mail address.


but how can i update my email ? huh?
there is no *UPDATE* button or such a thing >_<

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: Naruto
yes i know <_<
i clicked it and then this appeared:

NOTE: When you update your e-mail address, a new login password will be sent to the new e-mail address.


but how can i update my email ? huh?
there is no *UPDATE* button or such a thing >_<


It says "Update Profile" all the way at the bottom... And it says "NOTE: When you update your e-mail address, a new login password will be sent to the new e-mail address." Meaning that if you update your email address this will occur. It's not asking you to update your email address.

[Naruto]

im sry but i did not understand what u mean ^^'' (im not good at englsih)
so i made a screenshot...and can u tell me now what to do ^^''

CLICK HERE FOR SCREENSHOT ^^'' (http://e.1asphost.com/WinnyDenis/screen.gif)

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: Naruto
im sry but i did not understand what u mean ^^'' (im not good at englsih)
so i made a screenshot...and can u tell me now what to do ^^''

CLICK HERE FOR SCREENSHOT ^^'' (http://e.1asphost.com/WinnyDenis/screen.gif)

You don't need to update your email address. You can continue posting as normal.


We'll get that error fixed.

[Naruto]

yes yes i know i know >< but tell me how to change the snilies and personal settings? pls ><

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: Naruto
yes yes i know i know >< but tell me how to change the snilies and personal settings? pls ><

You can't right now, since that error needs to be fixed first.

[Naruto]

ok ill wait
pm me then *rofl*

HEY EVERYONE NARUTO COMES TODAY JUHUUU °^^

[DarkPhoenix]

Why was the forum changed anyway?
I liked the previous one a LOT better...

[SirCharlesIII]

this version works quicker, basicly

[r3n]

i miss my sig i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif *sniffle*

[KibaNAkamaru]

THIS IS EFFING RETARDED I COULDN'T LOG ON WITH MY ORIGINAL NAME!!!!i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif sorry for that, i also want the old one back, it doesn't matter how slow it was.

[villin]

I see Ciber gets to have a cool Alucard ava, while were still stuck with these lame ones. I'm so envious.

edit: God damn even the smilies suck on these new forums. I need the smilie for this &lt;_&lt; or i'll go insane.

[KakashiSensei]

OMG Ciber gets all the benefits

[rEkKaShInObI]

Sigs and Avs is what separates this forums from the rest. There are lots of good things that separate gotwoot from other kinds of forums.

Signarture - Make u stand out
Avatars - makes you look nice
The old gotwoot forum - priceless..

[Mut]

i couldn't care less about the sigs. it just delays the page loading time. but avatars is what differentiates the posters!

[villin]

Originally posted by: dazzz
i couldn't care less about the sigs. it just delays the page loading time. but avatars is what differentiates the posters!

I totally agree.

[JessiA]

The signatures, in truth, took up probably 1/4 of the total page space. And, besides, this forum isn't about signatures, or avatars really, it's about the people and their discussions. Signatures too much away from that, especially right before the big forum change.

I, for one, don't mind signatures.. but it did get annoying while in another section, people were asking each other about their signatures and complimenting them and whatnot, while that could've been done easily in PM. That's part of the reason why I didn't have one for so long.

Avatars are the main thing I look at to see who's who. Very, very few people have the same avatar, so you can tell who the person is just by looking at their avatar.

Now, just because the sigs are gone doesn't mean that the signature contests have to be. You just can't use 'em on this forum, that's all. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

[KakashiSensei]

Well put JessiA. My thoughts are this. The sigs look cool the first time I see whoevers it is, then I really dont care one way or the other about them.

[Naruto]

Originally posted by: JessiA
The signatures, in truth, took up probably 1/4 of the total page space. And, besides, this forum isn't about signatures, or avatars really, it's about the people and their discussions. Signatures too much away from that, especially right before the big forum change.

I, for one, don't mind signatures.. but it did get annoying while in another section, people were asking each other about their signatures and complimenting them and whatnot, while that could've been done easily in PM. That's part of the reason why I didn't have one for so long.

Avatars are the main thing I look at to see who's who. Very, very few people have the same avatar, so you can tell who the person is just by looking at their avatar.

Now, just because the sigs are gone doesn't mean that the signature contests have to be. You just can't use 'em on this forum, that's all. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif




how did u get ur avatar there?

[JessiA]

Agreed.

I was going to edit my post, but I figure I'll just say it here.

Along with making page loading slower and sometimes distracting people from the actual messages, some people had cookies imbedded into their signatures from whereever their host was. Cookies are annoying, and getting rid of signatures is definately one way to get rid of those cookies.





Originally posted by: Naruto


Originally posted by: JessiA
The signatures, in truth, took up probably 1/4 of the total page space. And, besides, this forum isn't about signatures, or avatars really, it's about the people and their discussions. Signatures too much away from that, especially right before the big forum change.

I, for one, don't mind signatures.. but it did get annoying while in another section, people were asking each other about their signatures and complimenting them and whatnot, while that could've been done easily in PM. That's part of the reason why I didn't have one for so long.

Avatars are the main thing I look at to see who's who. Very, very few people have the same avatar, so you can tell who the person is just by looking at their avatar.

Now, just because the sigs are gone doesn't mean that the signature contests have to be. You just can't use 'em on this forum, that's all. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif




how did u get ur avatar there?

There's a thread in the General Discussion forum labeled "Custom Avas are Here!" or something along those lines.

[lasaire]

While I appreciate the problems with sigs causing the page to slow down in loading time, I must admit that having this switch to no sigs occuring right when I am in the middle of a sig-making contest very discouraging.

After all, the inverse of JessiA's comment about sigs is: Why have a sig contest here if we're not going to be able to display our work?

I must admit that if this is a permanent situation my time spent on gotwoot will be dropping dramatically, and I will take myself and my signature work to some other board.

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: lasaire
While I appreciate the problems with sigs causing the page to slow down in loading time, I must admit that having this switch to no sigs occuring right when I am in the middle of a sig-making contest very discouraging.

After all, the inverse of JessiA's comment about sigs is: Why have a sig contest here if we're not going to be able to display our work?

I must admit that if this is a permanent situation my time spent on gotwoot will be dropping dramatically, and I will take myself and my signature work to some other board.

Why do you have the need to display your "work" in every post you make? Were you ignored as a child and now have a constant need for attention?



I don't know if you're aware, but this forum isn't about sigs, and it's not your personal canvas. If you want to display your banners so bad, go buy some ad space somewhere.

[JessiA]

Gotwoot is not here for people to display their works. If you wanna do that, open up a website. Gotwoot is a forum, for discussion.

People CAN still display their works, like so:


http://lilachaze.gotwoot.net/Signatures/Boards/NARU-1-MB.jpg


And therefore, still participate in the contests that are held once in a while.


If your main purpose in coming to gotwoot was just to sit around and make images for people to use in their signatures.. then may I suggest you go to delphi.com. They allow signatures, regardless of size or shape. They just can't be from liscenced shows (and if you have permission, you must let one of the administrators know, with proof).. and you need a paid for account to be able to display signatures as well.


Hrm.. Maybe Ciber wouldn't mind biling Gotwoot members $2 a month to allow them to use signatures i/expressions/devil.gif

[villin]

So just to clarify, are the picture sigs gone for good or is it temporary until the new forum gets all the bugs worked out.

[PSJ]

Originally posted by: itachi_
Man *sigh*, back to 2003 back then the forum was great!

you dont even know half of this forums greatness. back in the days when the forums was pretty new about late july early august it was great, man i miss those days.

[Kagari]

Wow, Ciber and JessiA....

first of all, Ciber, there's no need to personally attack lasaire like that. All it accomplishes is showing your immaturity and idiocy.

Some people enjoy different aspects of this forum, and that was the beauty of gotwoot. I could go to the Naruto forum, discuss the new episode, then mosey on over the the general board and look at some boobs, then finally stop off in the fanart thread and partake in sig-making ventures with my fellow posters. Why take this freedom away? Because you don't like long loading times? Come on.

JessiA, I remmeber months ago, you were the first person to ever make young kagari a sig. Now suddenly you're the george bush of the forum, accusing everyone of using sigs of mass destruction. what's the matter, bitter you didn't get any votes in the contest?

This forum was great, and I've had tons of fun...sigs being right up there. I spent more time in the fanart thread for fear of being spoiled in the anime thread! Honestly people, sigs should be here to stay. they are fun, creative and entertaining.

Please don't ruin the greatest forum I've ever posted on...you guys are already halfway there. stop while you still can.

[lasaire]

Thank you, Kagari, for sticking up for me.

I really wanted to respond to some people who seemed to be attacking me personally, but I can't do so without getting angry and I refuse to respond in kind.

If there is anyone who feel that the sig-creation thread and the sig contest were flooding the boards or otherwise wasting space, then why did they quickly become one of the most popular threads in terms of number of people posting there? Why was there such a high response to the contest, not only in number of entries but number of total votes?

I'm really disappointed that those against sigs have such a strong feeling about it. In my ideal world, we'd have a forum wide poll (which, I feel obliged to point out, sigs are winning) and whatever was decided by the masses would be the rule. If no sigs won, I'd stick around and not say a single word in complaint. What does make me angry is feeling that my opinion is ignored or looked down upon because of what seems to be a bias against me personally.

[villin]

Originally posted by: Kagari
. what's the matter, bitter you didn't get any votes in the contest?


Man that was a low blow. In the end its up to the admins how they want to present the forums to us. I personally agree that these new forums suck ass but its not up to me or you. Even though this new forum is complete garbage compared to the old one (IMO), things could be worse. There could be no forum at all.

[Kagari]

Yeah, maybe that was a low blow....but I don't think I shall apologize. Saying this like "Suck it up or leave" to the forum members is pretty low, too...and insulting our Sig Request thread (which, by the way, quickly bacame one of the more popular threads on the board) or making fun of Individual posters (see ciber's response to Lasaire wondering how we can display our work) isn't exactly lovey-dovey, now is it? We seem to have gone from Happy, fun board to ACHTUNG GESTALT! Hitler board.

We're trying to bring back one of our favourite parts of the forums, and we're not even being given a chance to debate. They're telling us no matter what, sigs are gone, and if we disagree we should just pack up and leave. Is this how you treat your fellow board members? I think not.

[r3n]

tbh if i cant have a sig im not gunna be as interested in this forum, as photoshop is a good hobby of mine which links in with my love of naruto, and these forums give me a use for the photoshop stuff i learn, ie making sigs.

[AlbinoFury]

Lasaire and Kagari I agree 110%! Its forum suicide to ridicule their members and pretty much tell them to fuck off, thats just me though, ive been here since day 2 and been through its ups and downs(i agree back in 2003 it was best) ill stick around im just trying to better the community I and so many have been a part of for quite a long period of time.

The JessiA thing wasnt very nice, shes a nice person just in a rough position as a mod and a sig maker, cut her a little slack.

[Power PMV]

I agree with Lasaire, Kagari and Albino completely, but I don't think we should be insulting each other at all (this goes both for Kagari's low blow and for Ciber and JessiA). What I don't get is the following? If sigs were so evil and bad in the old forums why no one said anything about them until this new forum appeared?

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: AlbinoFury
Lasaire and Kagari I agree 110%! Its forum suicide to ridicule their members and pretty much tell them to fuck off, thats just me though, ive been here since day 2 and been through its ups and downs(i agree back in 2003 it was best) ill stick around im just trying to better the community I and so many have been a part of for quite a long period of time.

The JessiA thing wasnt very nice, shes a nice person just in a rough position as a mod and a sig maker, cut her a little slack.


No one is telling you to "Fuck off". We've tried explaining to you all of the issues that sigs cause and the little benefit of having them around.


I've asked a couple of you that have been really vocal about sigs to name 3 good valid reasons as to why sigs are necessary. Itachi_ was one of the people i asked, he did not even come up with one.



Too many negatives and no real positives.

[AlbinoFury]

u want 3 here goes

1. the masses in general want them

2. They are an essential part to the character that this forum has built up for itself over time.

3. The sig community is a part of this forum, one of the most popular threads in the past month has been the sig request forum, and we had a first round of a sig contest already that had 15 participants and over 100 votes in the first round. To get rid of sigs is to alienate this part of the forums(also why some are so vocal about it)

and another for good measure.
4. I forum looks better and is more personalized with moderately sized and well regulated sigs. which you seem to grant out but deny the possibility of regulating them(thus why its my number 4)

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: Power PMV
I agree with Lasaire, Kagari and Albino completely, but I don't think we should be insulting each other at all (this goes both for Kagari's low blow and for Ciber and JessiA). What I don't get is the following? If sigs were so evil and bad in the old forums why no one said anything about them until this new forum appeared?

Easier to leave them out of a new forum than it is to just pull them out of a place they've always been.


We just want to focus the forums more on *DISCUSSION* and less on people discussing how great their sigs are all day.


This forum is not about sigs and it's not supposed to revolve around them. As Jess said, we are trying to make this place as user friendly as possible and having a bunch of pictures flashing in your face in every thread you go into is not exactly user friendly now, is it?


As hard as this is for you guys to believe, the world does not revolve around your banner ad. I mean really, why call it a sig? It's a free banner ad that you get to dispay all day, every day, in every thread.

[Power PMV]

Why keep sigs?

Reason 1.
Your forum members want them, I'd think that if a majority of the forum does that would be a good enough reason. (Although I also know that you can do whatever you want with your forum and so I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to negociate pacifically and rationally)

Reason 2.
They are a very important part of the GW community, I mean we even have sig contests and out of the 6 non-mod people who had special titles (Joker-kun, animemaster, lasaire, Albinofury, itachi_ and I) 2 of them were because of their participation in sig activities.

Reason 3.
Can't you choose whether to see the sigs or not if you want? (Maybe you can't, then ignore this) If you have a slow connection or you hate sigs you can simply go to your profile and deactivate them, right?

What do you think about this Ciber? I hope I wasn't offensive at all, if I was then I apologize, it wasn't my intention I simply want to reach a good solution for everyone here.

P.S. I don't think the forum was revolving around sigs. I don't remember conversations about sigs anywhere besides the rate your sig thread or the fanart threads. (I may be totally wrong here, though)

[itachi_]

Sigs are 50 % of the whole forum, It's fun to check out others sigs and make new ones, photoshop is just too fun! I agree with Albino, power pvm, kagari, lasaire, with everything they've said, I'm sticking up to you guys..

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: AlbinoFury
u want 3 here goes

1. the masses in general want them

The masses are really uninformed and refuse to listen to reason.

2. They are an essential part to the character that this forum has built up for itself over time.

There's no progress, without change.

3. The sig community is a part of this forum, one of the most popular threads in the past month has been the sig request forum, and we had a first round of a sig contest already that had 15 participants and over 100 votes in the first round. To get rid of sigs is to alienate this part of the forums(also why some are so vocal about it)

15 people is not exactly a lot, can't please everyone all the time.

and another for good measure.
4. I forum looks better and is more personalized with moderately sized and well regulated sigs. which you seem to grant out but deny the possibility of regulating them(thus why its my number 4)

Forum does not look better with a different flashing picture in every single post. it just looks cluttered. We are trying to read, not go into a seizure. Sigs pretty much double the size of all threads. We have better things to do with the mod's time than to run around babysitting signatures.

providing support sounds like a better use of the mods time.

[Kagari]

We just want to focus the forums more on *DISCUSSION* and less on people discussing how great their sigs are all day.

This forum is not about sigs and it's not supposed to revolve around them. As Jess said, we are trying to make this place as user friendly as possible and having a bunch of pictures flashing in your face in every thread you go into is not exactly user friendly now, is it?

As hard as this is for you guys to believe, the world does not revolve around your banner ad. I mean really, why call it a sig? It's a free banner ad that you get to dispay all day, every day, in every thread.


First off, I apologize for the low blow, I was just very angry. I'll watch myself next time.

Ciber, let's review what you've said.

First of all, you think this forum should be about DISCUSSIONS....and so our thread, in the fanart forum, where we DISCUSS our sigs, doesn't fall into that category...? Since when do you determine what we get to discuss?

We don't dicuss how great our sigs are. There is no bragging, or bullying. Maybe if you had taken a moment to stop in and see, you'd notice it's not only a forum to request sigs, but also to improve them. the quality sig makers (ie. Lasaire, or Albino) Not only critique our sigs as far as looks, colours and composition, but give us tips to improve them. It sure seems like fanart to me.

Second, the entire forum doesn't revolve around sigs, and saying that having "a bunch of pictures flashing in your face" is ridiculous. I'm sure a happy medium could be found where we cannot have any "Jumpy, flashy pictures" in our sigs....not that i've seen any that fall into that category.

Finally, Banner Ad? 'Ad' is the short form of Advertisement, correct? So you're basically saying that this isn't a place for us to advertise. Advertise what? Our name? Our favourite characters/moments? Or even worse... *GASP* our artistic work? I thought advertising our thoughts and opinions was the same as discussing them.

sigs are fun. We have fun making them, and people have fun requesting and displaying them. There also seems to be many members who agree.

[itachi_]

Double the size, so what? it dosen't take longer to load if you've normal connection...

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: itachi_
Double the size, so what? it dosen't take longer to load if you've normal connection...

Yes, it does take longer to load. It's part of the reason these forums are so much faster.

[AlbinoFury]

Originally posted by: Ciber


Originally posted by: AlbinoFury
u want 3 here goes

1. the masses in general want them

The masses are really uninformed and refuse to listen to reason.
&gt;&gt;so pretty much ur response is that no matter what we are wrong? their is reason behind both of our arguments you just think ours is illogical cause ur on the other side of the fence, so pretty much the contention still stands its just that you don't agree with it.

2. They are an essential part to the character that this forum has built up for itself over time.

&gt;&gt;&gt;There's no progress, without change. what some call progress others call degradation.

3. The sig community is a part of this forum, one of the most popular threads in the past month has been the sig request forum, and we had a first round of a sig contest already that had 15 participants and over 100 votes in the first round. To get rid of sigs is to alienate this part of the forums(also why some are so vocal about it)

15 people is not exactly a lot, can't please everyone all the time.
&gt;&gt;True but the 180 that participated in voting is on the other hand. point still stands.

and another for good measure.
4. I forum looks better and is more personalized with moderately sized and well regulated sigs. which you seem to grant out but deny the possibility of regulating them(thus why its my number 4)

Forum does not look better with a different flashing picture in every single post. it just looks cluttered. We are trying to read, not go into a seizure. Sigs pretty much double the size of all threads. We have better things to do with the mod's time than to run around babysitting signatures.

providing support sounds like a better use of the mods time.

&gt;&gt;&gt;thats just your opinion many find it not cluttered at all and enjoy that look.

did i miss anything?

[Ciber]

You don't have much of an argument really.


Your argument consists of "We need a third way to make ourselves stand out and be unique."

Since apparently a custom avatar and a username is somehow, not enough.


We on the other hand have plenty of reasons to not want them around.

[Kagari]

You ignored my post, didn't you, ciber?

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: Kagari




We just want to focus the forums more on *DISCUSSION* and less on people discussing how great their sigs are all day.

This forum is not about sigs and it's not supposed to revolve around them. As Jess said, we are trying to make this place as user friendly as possible and having a bunch of pictures flashing in your face in every thread you go into is not exactly user friendly now, is it?

As hard as this is for you guys to believe, the world does not revolve around your banner ad. I mean really, why call it a sig? It's a free banner ad that you get to dispay all day, every day, in every thread.


First off, I apologize for the low blow, I was just very angry. I'll watch myself next time.

Ciber, let's review what you've said.

First of all, you think this forum should be about DISCUSSIONS....and so our thread, in the fanart forum, where we DISCUSS our sigs, doesn't fall into that category...? Since when do you determine what we get to discuss?

You can discuss them all you want.

We don't dicuss how great our sigs are. There is no bragging, or bullying. Maybe if you had taken a moment to stop in and see, you'd notice it's not only a forum to request sigs, but also to improve them. the quality sig makers (ie. Lasaire, or Albino) Not only critique our sigs as far as looks, colours and composition, but give us tips to improve them. It sure seems like fanart to me.

I was referring to the sigs being displayed globabally, not just the fanart section.

Second, the entire forum doesn't revolve around sigs, and saying that having "a bunch of pictures flashing in your face" is ridiculous. I'm sure a happy medium could be found where we cannot have any "Jumpy, flashy pictures" in our sigs....not that i've seen any that fall into that category.

There is no middle ground, no matter what we do, they will cry and stay or leave.

Finally, Banner Ad? 'Ad' is the short form of Advertisement, correct? So you're basically saying that this isn't a place for us to advertise. Advertise what? Our name? Our favourite characters/moments? Or even worse... *GASP* our artistic work? I thought advertising our thoughts and opinions was the same as discussing them.

Is there really a need to advertise it in every post though? You already have a custom avatar and username, as well as some space to put some text in your sig. I think that makes each and everyone one of you stand out more than enough.

You can easily display your "Artistic work" in a thread by linking it. Displaying your "Artistic work" every post is totally unnecessary.

sigs are fun. We have fun making them, and people have fun requesting and displaying them. There also seems to be many members who agree.

[lasaire]

Ciber, you seem to be ignoring the most important part about all this:

The Forum Members.

This forum is a website for people to interact. That is its primary, indeed, its ONLY purpose. It does not make money for its moderators, much as I am sure you mods, who I know spend a great deal of time working here, wish. It does not promote any large scale goal, besides the discussion and spread of anime. (Again, discussion. Meaning, PEOPLE.) It is not meant to be an informative site: there are any number of those available on the internet.

If the MAJORITY of the users of this forum, those very users who make this forum fulfil its purpose and make it enjoyable, want sigs available, it should be so. We are, after all, a body of people meeting to talk about things, and if the opinion of the majority is blatantly ignored, this site might as well not exist save only as a private forum for the moderators and those who subscribe to every aspect of their point of view. Doesn't sound very productive to DISCUSSION, does it?

[itachi_]

This forum is like Cuba or Haiti, and ciber is fidel castro, or a rebelgroup who won't listen to the society?

Listen! to the people! alow sigs

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: lasaire
Ciber, you seem to be ignoring the most important part about all this:

The Forum Members.

This forum is a website for people to interact. That is its primary, indeed, its ONLY purpose. It does not make money for its moderators, much as I am sure you mods, who I know spend a great deal of time working here, wish. It does not promote any large scale goal, besides the discussion and spread of anime. (Again, discussion. Meaning, PEOPLE.) It is not meant to be an informative site: there are any number of those available on the internet.

If the MAJORITY of the users of this forum, those very users who make this forum fulfil its purpose and make it enjoyable, want sigs available, it should be so. We are, after all, a body of people meeting to talk about things, and if the opinion of the majority is blatantly ignored, this site might as well not exist save only as a private forum for the moderators and those who subscribe to every aspect of their point of view. Doesn't sound very productive to DISCUSSION, does it?

By your line of thinking, countries should lower/stop charging taxes. Just because people want something, does not mean it's the best solution.

[lasaire]

There are some simple solutions available here, if mods would only listen to reason:

1) Make viewing sigs as an option, much the same way as we can change the color theme of this new site as an option.

2) Hold a vote. Majority rules. Minority keeps their mouth shut.

3) Ignore the forum users and watch the threads dwindle as people leave and subscription die down as bad word of mouth goes around the net.

Personally, I think the first two options are very plainly better than the third one.
Are there any mods who would care to answer reasonably to my suggestions, rather than simply insult my intelligence for daring to have an opinion?

If the first one is logistically impossible due to coding, then fine, somebody with the knowledge give me a definate answer.

Edit: Oh, and Ciber,



By your line of thinking, countries should lower/stop charging taxes. Just because people want something, does not mean it's the best solution

People in these countries DO have an option: they vote for the leader who offers lower taxes. If he is not elected, then they at least have the comfort of knowing the decision was fair.

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: lasaire
There are some simple solutions available here, if mods would only listen to reason:

1) Make viewing sigs as an option, much the same way as we can change the color theme of this new site as an option.

2) Hold a vote. Majority rules. Minority keeps their mouth shut.

3) Ignore the forum users and watch the threads dwindle as people leave and subscription die down as bad word of mouth goes around the net.

Personally, I think the first two options are very plainly better than the third one.
Are there any mods who would care to answer reasonably to my suggestions, rather than simply insult my intelligence for daring to have an opinion?

If the first one is logistically impossible due to coding, then fine, somebody with the knowledge give me a definate answer.

Edit: Oh, and Ciber,



By your line of thinking, countries should lower/stop charging taxes. Just because people want something, does not mean it's the best solution

People in these countries DO have an option: they vote for the leader who offers lower taxes. If he is not elected, then they at least have the comfort of knowing the decision was fair.


Sigs have a lot of negatives and very few, if any, positives. Yet "the people" are going for it anyway.


Sometimes the people don't know any better.

There's a reason governments don't let "the people" vote on every decision. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

[Kagari]

Most of the time, It's the government's idodic ideals that ruin an entire people's reputation....much like bush and the USA. So, bad analogy, mr. ciber.

[lasaire]

So basically, ciber, you called me and everyone else who feels sigs are a good thing, stupid to our faces.

And yes, governments don't let the people make all the decisions, but for those of us who are American, Canadian, British, Japanese or French, the major decision makers in all cases (barring Her Majesty) are elected, and the power of the popular vote holds great sway.

It angers me that you respond to me with opinions instead of definate answers.

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: lasaire
So basically, ciber, you called me and everyone else who feels sigs are a good thing, stupid to our faces.

And yes, governments don't let the people make all the decisions, but for those of us who are American, Canadian, British, Japanese or French, the major decision makers in all cases (barring Her Majesty) are elected, and the power of the popular vote holds great sway.

It angers me that you respond to me with opinions instead of definate answers.



There's no need for the childish tantrum in your sig, all you're showing us is how immature you both are.

[Kagari]

Listen ciber, we've been more than civil. Our "childish tantrum" is simply us informing the others that something as ridiculous as this doesn't need to be tolerated. You're not listening to our requests, which is fine. But don't stop us from letting others know that there are forums out there that don't ban sigs....and you're the one being immature, not us. You're insulting us personally for speaking our minds.

If you're so secure in the greatness of your forum, you should have nothing to fear from us posting the link.

[lasaire]

So, ciber, in every rational, reasonable response I have posted, you have not made a single reply in kind to suggest any alternates. In fact, all you have done is basically called me stupid (not to mention childish) and simply suggested that I should shut up and deal with it.

Give me one good, reasonable response besides "You're stupid." "You're childish." or anything OTHER than "We're not listening to you." and I'll eat my words. In the meantime, I'll say whatever I damn well please about other forums.

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: Kagari
Listen ciber, we've been more than civil. Our "childish tantrum" is simply us informing the others that something as ridiculous as this doesn't need to be tolerated. You're not listening to our requests, which is fine. But don't stop us from letting others know that there are forums out there that don't ban sigs....and you're the one being immature, not us. You're insulting us personally for speaking our minds.

If you're so secure in the greatness of your forum, you should have nothing to fear from us posting the link.

I've been more than civil also, i've spent the last 3-4 days trying to explain to you kids why these things are gone.



Yes, I have a problem with it. You don't see me going over to other forums posting crap or advertising for them.



If you don't agree with the policies here, then leave.


I'm sure others can manage without your "help".

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: lasaire
So, ciber, in every rational, reasonable response I have posted, you have not made a single reply in kind to suggest any alternates. In fact, all you have done is basically called me stupid (not to mention childish) and simply suggested that I should shut up and deal with it.

Give me one good, reasonable response besides "You're stupid." "You're childish." or anything OTHER than "We're not listening to you." and I'll eat my words. In the meantime, I'll say whatever I damn well please about other forums.


Read all the posts by Jessia and myself on the subject.

[Ciber]

What would you suggest for new sig sizes and dimensions?


Would you really be happy with no animated sigs?



No matter how we go about this, there will be people that aren't happy and will have a tantrum, like you and kagari.




If you two are so unhappy then just leave.

[lasaire]

If you post reasonable limits, I will abide by them. I have always maintained that I will.

Furthermore, I HAVE read your other posts, and nothing viable has been said about alternatives, only reasons stating why sigs are no good and why they weren't going to be included in the new version.

Either hold a vote, or set up an option under preferences to show/not show sigs and I will happily eat my hat, apologize to all and sundry and grovel at your feet.

UNTIL THEN, I reserve the right to say what I want.

[joker-kun]

well ill stay neutral, but why do you care so much for sigs? you call Ciber immature yet your the one who is arguebly advertising/spammingcause you dont have sigs, I see what Ciber means, theres more to a forum then sigs, sure their enjoyable but its not the focal point of the forum nor the focal point of Ciber's (and probably the other admins} life. So if suddenly gotwoot isnt good enough cause of the sig situation, then you probably are better off to leave, considering you were never a true member of this forum anyway if youthink like that.

[Ciber]

There will be an official announcement regarding the status of sigs soon.

[Naruto]

i think i wont need a sig pic
my ava is cool ^_^

[lasaire]

My problem with the mods was not so much sigs, as it was the way the mods handled the decision. I felt that my specific issues had been ignored and instead was just told to get over it.

I've had a private conversation with ciber, and while I still miss sigs, now that I've heard him out I think we've agreed to disagree.

What would have stopped this whole debate from happening would have been an official announcement of the change and details on exactly what would occur before the forums had made the switch over; ciber has agreed to post a formal announcement detailing everything specifically, and I'm satisfied with that.

I'm tired; perhaps I'm not making much sense. But, with the official announcement soon to be posted, and the details laid bare in one place for all to see, I am satisfied.

[DarkPhoenix]

Originally posted by: lasaire
or set up an option under preferences to show/not show sigs

There already is! IN your profile, click on personal options (at the top) and then check yes after the option block signatures.

Didn't anyone know about this or what?!?

[Raven]

I know this whole issue seems to be over for now, but here's my 2c anyway.

I may be repeating things already said, for that I apologize but I'm just reiterating.

Sigs are still able to be discussed, critiqued, etc on these forums. That part hasn't changed at all. It seems to me the only difference (correct me if I'm wrong) is that a particular sig of your choice won't be displayed at the end of each of your posts.

Is that really such a big deal? You can present them through links as much as you like it seems, people can offer feedback at any point. The only thing is that we don't see the picture automatically every single post you make. It really shouldn't be an issue, I don't know why everyone is making a mountain out of a molehill.

Considering that this is an anime forum officially, it's purpose is for discussing anime. There is a section for fanart, it's true, and you can discuss and present sigs in that section as much as is desired. Sorry to repeat myself again, but it's a very small detail that the sig you're discussing won't show up in every post.

Stay for the discussion, which is frequently of high quality. If you're after pure art forums, or forums that are specifically designed for artistic merit, then there are plenty of them out there.

Sigs are just a completely uneccesary bonus that don't add anything to what this forum is designed for - anime discussion. Personally I agree with Ciber in the fact that everything looks nice and clean and uncluttered. It's a refreshing change.

[Kagari]

Yeah, it's too bad that the diagreement escalated into a war zone, I just felt it was taking away a good thing. Ciber sent me a link to what he wanted the forums to look like, and it was all text, linear, and way to formal.

I'll refrain from futher bitching, it's not my place. I'd rather post on a fun, colourful, un-businesslike forum...sorry if I seemed rude, it was not my intention, I guess I was just angry. But i'm not a n00b kid!i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif so don't call me that!!


And CMDR, I don't want to find another forum, because I like gotwoot, it's members and it's variety....that's why i was making such an issue.

[AlbinoFury]

why the fuck would we wanna discuss and critique sigs here if we cant fucking use them? If we wanna use em on another forum we would ask for sig critiqueing from the forum that allowed them. Nobody on the other side of the fence admits it but they are killing sig discussion no matter what you say that "we can still discuss and critique them" it becomes an act of fucking futility, at least recognize that.

[Vagabond]

I really hate to say this but since the change a lot less people have been posting on these forums. I dunno if it's because of the forum layout or if it's because of the sig rule but something has to be done about this because in my eyes these forums are going downhill.

[itachi_]

It is because people are less happy now then before, most users want sigs and a easier type of forum, most users think that this layout sucks..

[Vagabond]

Yeah i agree. But i don't think these forums are hard to use i think they're just not appealing.

[itachi_]

RightO

[Kagari]

Ciber seems to have a definitive, business-like vision for gotwoot forums, and that's his perogative. Hopefully he has enough like-minded naruto fans to make his board a success. I'm sticking around for the sig contest, but I don't expect I'll be around much longer after that.

[JessiA]

Originally posted by: VagabondLBD
I really hate to say this but since the change a lot less people have been posting on these forums. I dunno if it's because of the forum layout or if it's because of the sig rule but something has to be done about this because in my eyes these forums are going downhill.

From what I've been seeing there've been 20-40 people on since the forums changed. Last I recall, there would be 10-25 people before the changes.

Maybe people are intrested in reading what you guys have to whine about next? i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif




If we wanna use em on another forum we would ask for sig critiqueing from the forum that allowed them. Nobody on the other side of the fence admits it but they are killing sig discussion no matter what you say that "we can still discuss and critique them" it becomes an act of fucking futility, at least recognize that

Well, there IS a forum for people to critique your signatures, when you had them. It was called the test forum. Here's its descript, right under its name, for the world to see. "Use this forum to test sigs and whatever since each time you update your avatar or your sig it will show up in each post you have made[...]"

And people aren't talking about the benefits of sigs because they're too busy complaining about the fact that they can't use 'em anymore. The FanArt forum, as I stated before, is a place to critique ART. Graphics, too, sure.. It shouldn't be a place to "Try On" new signatures. It's cool that you can find them. In fact, I've got a few new ones here: http://lilachaze.gotwoot.net/Signatures/Boards/index.php tell me what you think of 'em. If you'd like, I can edit them so you can use 'em wherever allows them.


Now, if you wanna complain further about the boards sucking, or signatures being down, or whatevah, take your discussion here: http://forums.gotwoot.net/messageview.cfm?catid=11&amp;threadid=8396&amp;STARTPAGE=1 &amp;enterthread=y


There's no reason to have 3 threads about the same thing.