Naruto Episode 72 Discussion

[cheez121]

Overall, this ep was awesome. The art was decent, but Sarutobi's head seemed to have been drawn a bit thin and long at times.

A few things I noticed:

http://gameboard2002.hypermart.net/uploads/HokageHoldingNaruto.JPG
A hokage is holding Naruto in this picture. The 4th maybe? Can you say, "Daddy?" http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

http://gameboard2002.hypermart.net/uploads/4th.JPG
http://gameboard2002.hypermart.net/uploads/4th2.JPG
http://gameboard2002.hypermart.net/uploads/4th3.JPG
The silhouette inside the Death God kinda looks like the 4th, especially in the 1st shot. http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/blink.gif

I'm thinking that the 3rd might be doing the same jutsu that the 4th used to seal the Demon fox.

Anyway, discuss.

[Assassin]

yep, i think its the same jutsu as well.....can't wait to see what it actually is.

the ep was great.....finally a talking ep that i enjoyed. i loved getting to know the bg info on oro and the 3rd. and the scenes showing all the hokage's and thier students were kool.

is it just me or do the students look alike? like, tsunade looks like sakura, and that one girl in sarutobi's old team (i think) looks like moegi (konohamaru's friends).

i wanna see how kakashi and gai are holding up. and what happened to the baki/gemma fight? and shino as well? hopefully we'll see them all soon

[Dark Dragon]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (itsgalf &#064; Feb 29 2004, 08:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I don&#39;t know if anyone else noticed this

http://www.angelfire.com/rant/quickman/NarutoThird.jpg

look at the 3rd&#39;s and Jaraiya&#39;s eyes, they both have those little marks. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Now if i remember correctly Jiraiya and that other dude that was suppose to train Naruto (whos name escape me) were talking and the other guy said like that the 3rd hokage miss Jiraiya and how that they should tell the 3rd about him being back in the village now does that sound like a really big hint to anyone else.

[Assertn]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dark Dragon @ Feb 29 2004, 01:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Now if i remember correctly Jiraiya and that other dude that was suppose to train Naruto (whos name escape me) were talking and the other guy said like that the 3rd hokage miss Jiraiya and how that they should tell the 3rd about him being back in the village now does that sound like a really big hint to anyone else. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
you mean like, how jiraiya was the 3rd&#39;s student?
i think you&#39;re a little late on that observation http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/tongue.gif

[rEkKaShInObI]

I only liked Temari vs Sasuke.

[DrunkPotHead]

i dunno how to copy and past from the video, but i noticed that in one the flashes when sarutobi was talking about future hokagi, they showed a picture of what looked up the grown up naruto...

is that true?

[itachi_]

No, it was hokage 4th aka yondaime.

[Reason]

I was also quite perplexed as to why they had the 2nd using the Genjutsu...considering future events that have already taken place in the Manga...

However, this isn&#39;t the place to discuss this, http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/wink.gif So stop talking about it here, take it into the Open Discusison forum/Manga forum...

- Reason -

[rEkKaShInObI]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (itachi_ @ Feb 29 2004, 12:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I don&#39;t cry, ******, but they should follow the manga better, they&#39;ve passed the line now, not to talk about the blood-level = <u>LOW</u>. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Agreed.

[Xollence]

Yeah Sasuke owned Temari. Oh and did you also noticed how there was a young version of Kakashi with the 4th? Was the 4th his teacher?

[rEkKaShInObI]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Xollence @ Feb 29 2004, 02:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yeah Sasuke owned Temari. Oh and did you also noticed how there was a young version of Kakashi with the 4th? Was the 4th his teacher? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Yea, for once, flashbacks were actually nice.

[jedi_obi]

Yeah, i really really liked seeing all the younger versions of the jounins.. They&#39;re soooo cute &#33; http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/mf_gap.gif especially the baby kakashi, mwhehehee, the small Orochimaru&#39;s cute and innocent looking too..

[tensai]

this episode was great
i wanted to see more action though
i thought that the beginning with pakkun talking about using the same shampoo as sakura was not needed
the death god thing was pretty cool
i guess that the Third used kagebushin so that he can do some kind of sealing technique for each person hes going against
three Sandaimes vs oro, 1st and 2nd

[Assertn]

yeah its pretty cool how they used the flashbacks to sorta show how everyone&#39;s connected to each other. I think the demon guy looking like the fourth is just coincidence....since im sure that even though its the 4th&#39;s jutsu, the god of death has been around a LOT longer than he has. That WAS actually a type of summoning, wasnt it? http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/blink.gif

anyway, the temari vs sasuke match didnt happen in the manga, so thats a nice little addition, but aside from that new song they had near the end and all the cool flashbacks of other konoha ninjas, i didnt care too much for this ep

oh....and while it certainly looks like a hokage holding baby naruto.....it could just be in reference to the 4th sealing kyubi into naruto....although the eyes and hair seem to bear a great resemblance between the two....i dont think we can jump to conclusions just yet

[TeLeKiNeSiS]

yeah i loooved the temari vs sasuke fight...crazy...esp since we dont get to see sasuke use his katon (fire element) jutsus alot..nice..

[Madox]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (itachi_ @ Feb 29 2004, 12:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>They changed it so the 2nd actaully did somthing, the first had already made all of those trees.

They just did&#39;nt want to leave the 2nd out. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

How do you possible know?? that&#39;s not a good reason to change the fact that 1st performed it, not the 2nd. They have changed everything, as we have discussed, the bodies in orochimaru&#39;s hideout was replaced with coffins bottles etc.... this is unacceptable. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I don&#39;t know, but it makes sense.

Besides it&#39;s not like it matters anyway.

[Assertn]

yeah, the fight between sasuke and temari was cool.....although the replacement technique is starting to get a little old http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/dry.gif

[rEkKaShInObI]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AssertnFailure @ Feb 29 2004, 03:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> yeah, the fight between sasuke and temari was cool.....although the replacement technique is starting to get a little old http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/dry.gif </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
We didn&#39;t even see Sasuke switch =&#092;

[Kumiriko]

My Gawd that was a Fine Eps. I sware i grabbed the sides of my screen right as it ended. I cant wait. this hole Arc is one of the best in the serise/manga

[s0ulz x r3frain]

what i wanna know is... who is that one guy in the goggles... kakashi&#39;s teamate... that guy looks badass http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/cool.gif

oh and does anyone find it strange to see that the 3rd picked one jiraya&#39;s student instead of one his own...?

[Destiny]

The dude with the googles must b the friend kakashi was talking about at the start of the series.

The flashback in this episode was the best yet, it had a lot more emotion and a lot less pointless crap.

[DrunkPotHead]

im so glad the graphics are back to normal...

makes me wanna watch again

that episode was awesome, Orochimaru looks awesome, just like he did before, check out my wallpaper http://gallery.cybertarp.com/albums/userpi...89/combined.JPG ('http://gallery.cybertarp.com/albums/userpics/16189/combined.JPG')

[ricefarmer]

sarutobi flash backs gave me chills down my spine. very cool

[Nara Shikamaru]

i actually thought the pakkun/sakura shampoo thing was funny. and since jiraiya now looks old does that mean tsunade is old too? but from the pictures i saw of her she looks realllly young to me O_O. Also at 19:31 in the ep it shows kakashi the goggles dude and another girl infront of their &quot;sensei&quot; i suppose. But the thing i noticed is that KAKASHI DOESN&#39;T HAVE HIS SHARINGAN EYE&#33;&#33; I have a feeling later on in the series it&#39;s gunna have to explain it right? maybe he got the eye to avenge his dead friend ?(the goggles guy?) Then i saw orochimaru with anko and then i remembered they knew ea other form somewhere ... were they past lover??&#33;&#33; &gt;_&gt; wouldn&#39;t it be freaky liking some snake guy O_O .......

edit: and um the kid with a bandage on his head is the third when he was small right? that makes the 1st and 2nd older than the third(dunno why i wanted to say that) but the third looked kinda badass bak then &gt;_&gt;

[Xeo]

It was an awesome episode.
Funny = Shampoo Joke
Action = Sasuke vs Temari and more Hokage level teasers
Emotional impact = Finally flashbacks that truly enhance the feeling of the episode.

I can&#39;t wait until next week... it looks like we&#39;ll see something super special.

[Karasu]

A really great story episode.. Orochimaru is getting even cooler and cooler, loved the Orochimaru flashback aswome...

And the Hokage is doing really well. Pretty badass for beeing old.

[Assertn]

when orochimaru confronted kakashi during the prelims, he said that kakashi didnt use to have that eye, so we can assume he didnt get the eye until after oro left.

i think one of kakashi&#39;s teammates shoulda been gai.....that wouldve been sweet&#33;

also, here&#39;s another detail that i dont think many people would notice without it being brought to their attention

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/AssertnFailure/3rd1.JPG
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/AssertnFailure/3rd2.JPG
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/AssertnFailure/3rd3.JPG

dont those 2 council members look kinda like the 3rds old teammates?

[NomoZ]

Very cool episode. loved seeing the many generations of konoha, and i loved the little fight between sasuke and temari.

[Kumiriko]

Well before you sead it looked like the 4th with the lord of death. i thought of another ninja that would fit in that place better. Zubaza(man i hope i spelt that right or close nuf) he would fit into that kind of ituation more then anyone eles i can think of

[Hatake Kakashi]

You read the posts in the manga forum huh? Wow you are so smart&#33;


Anyway the signs under their eyes don&#39;t really much. Especially since I don&#39;t think Sarutobi has them right now does he? I will have to go back and look. Perhaps he painted those on for that picture, and Jiraiya just copied off of him.

Since you have seen those pics, these won&#39;t be spoilers anymore

http://narutoguide.narutofan.com/images/biographies_main.jpg

Just some alternative poses. These are on Kakashi&#39;s shelf in his bedroom. Kishimoto drew a color picture of Kakashi sleeping for the cover of one of the manga (the covers are never animated)

EDIT: As a manga reader I think the anime is doing a great job of not only capturing the feel of the manga (besides the violence of course, but that is understandable). Sure having the 2nd do the Genjutsu instead of the 1st was kind of weird, but I can live with that. They both probably know how to do the technique anyway.

The whole Orochimaru, 1st Hokage, 2nd Hokage Vs. 3rd Hokage and Enma is one of the best fights in the series, and 2nd favorite.

Just the way he feels about his comrades, considering them all family, he is a great guy. Not to mention he is like pushing 75 and still can hold his own against 3 of the greatest shinobi to ever come out of Konoha.

[Uchiha-Itachi]

oh no the 2nd is doing the gen-jutsu oh no its the end of the world now the anime got so raped now.. and everyone praise me now pls cuz i discovered this mistake..

GAWD how pathetic can you be djeezus i mean WTF djees for pete&#39;s sake can you grow up and quit whining for a change.. http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/mad.gif

Seriously if you really like the manga that much better shove it up your butthole and leave and go to the Manga forum..

The episode totally rocked (best in a while) whoohoo Sasuke owned the chick muahah too bad he didnt finish her http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif

And Tsunade is sooo cute when she was little XD

Can&#39;t wait till episode 73 (as usual)&#33; http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/mf_w00t1.gif

[lasaire]

ANd what&#39;s up with adding all this Temari vs. Sasuke stuff?

This is actually going to cause a story-related problem later.

Edit: AssertnFailure: sharp eyes&#33; Those village elders ARE the 3rd&#39;s genin teammates&#33;

[Hatake Kakashi]

no it won&#39;t. They added the Sasuke and Temari fight in there to space out the length of time between the fight that is going on now, and the ones that will be coming up. It is a little different than in the manga, but its no big deal.

Also, that fight serves as good &quot;filler&quot;, because the anime was at times doing 2-4 chapters in one episode. These nice stalls and add ins give the manga just a little bit more time to keep going.

Don&#39;t say it will never catch up to the anime either, look what happened to Rurouni Kenshin. The anime caught up with the manga so they devoted an entire filler arc, episodes to allow Watsuki more time, but the episodes were so bad it got cancelled and the final arc/true ending were never animated.

Expect maybe a filler mini arc after this one. That is what One Piece does, to allow Oda more time. All the anime studios have learned their lesson from Kenshin, it is better to do fillers in bits and pieces over a long time span, than to do them all in a row.

I love watching the anime for the fight scenes more than anything. They do a great job, unless the Koreans are doing it, then I feel like I am watching something a high school art club produced.

[itachi_]

That was just an example of all = hundreds... the lacking in the anime is terrible, it&#39;s too much for now...

[Assertn]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hatake Kakashi @ Feb 29 2004, 05:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You read the posts in the manga forum huh? Wow you are so smart&#33; </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
um, ok? maybe you like to feel all knowing and powerful while posting on a forum based on a tv show, but others dont necessarily share your same sentiment. I didnt bring it up to gain any special recognition, i did it because i&#39;m sure anime viewers would like to know these details that they wouldnt have known without visiting other forums

next time try to refrain from posting dumbass retorts

thank you http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/wink.gif

[Kumiriko]

Wait a min? OMG is jiraiya Related to the 3rd?? they look so much alike&#33; i would take and post a Screen shot but i am not the best at that. and goggle boy. notice what is sticking out of his mouth? Humm. makes me think of someone in paticuler

[tensai]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AssertnFailure @ Feb 29 2004, 04:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> when orochimaru confronted kakashi during the prelims, he said that kakashi didnt use to have that eye, so we can assume he didnt get the eye until after oro left.

i think one of kakashi&#39;s teammates shoulda been gai.....that wouldve been sweet&#33;

also, here&#39;s another detail that i dont think many people would notice without it being brought to their attention

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/AssertnFailure/3rd1.JPG
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/AssertnFailure/3rd2.JPG
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/AssertnFailure/3rd3.JPG

dont those 2 council members look kinda like the 3rds old teammates? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
good point there bout hokages teammates

i was thinkin about orochimarus immortal technique, whenever he changes bodies, doesn&#39;t he have to make a new contract with the snakes or whatever because the new body has different blood

just my thoughts

[Raven]

I have to say that&#39;s one of my fave eps out of the whole series.... the Sasuke/Temari fight was an awesome addition to the anime that wasn&#39;t in the manga.

All of the flashbacks contained in the episode just felt right - they didn&#39;t drag, they explained what they needed to, and they were filled with tension, etc.

As for the 3rd&#39;s speech about Konoha - combined with the awesome music, it really was a tear jerker&#33; Pretty emotional stuff. The voice actor is just perfect.

The combination of so many good points accumulated to create a truly excellent episode. 73 is gonna rock&#33;

[Assertn]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tensai @ Feb 29 2004, 06:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i was thinkin about orochimarus immortal technique, whenever he changes bodies, doesn&#39;t he have to make a new contract with the snakes or whatever because the new body has different blood

just my thoughts </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
well, im not sure how picky summons are with the type of blood and whatnot, but it seems that when orochimaru takes over someones body, he can alter their original form to be just like his. Especially considering that he still has those snake-like eyes and long tongue

[SilentSnake]

awesome ep&#33; http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/mf_dribble.gif

anyway, if that person inside god of death is Yondaime, then we have some possibilities:

-by this jutsu u can seal ANYTHING into a child, but the god of death requires sacrifice, and that sacrifice is jutsu performer which is from then on prisoned inside god of death (for what reason? maybe &quot;prisoner&quot; is making god of death stronger by transferring his chakra to him?)

-by this jutsu u can seal ANYTHING inside anyone (let&#39;s think, who in konoha would freely agree to seal Kyuubi into him? I know hokage would agree, but U know that then this story wouldn&#39;t make any sense, so the 4th just sealed Kyuubi into Naruto [and we have no guarantee that Naruto was chosen because he&#39;s son of 4ft or he was at hand at the time http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/tongue.gif ]). God of death require&#39;s sacrifice blahblahblah.

-by this jutsu u can seal ANYTHING into a child/anyone, God of death takes ur soul temporary, then ur soul is free and can go to heaven( http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/tongue.gif ) or u come back to ur body and u&#39;re alive again (mwahahaha&#33;)

Besides if we assume that it&#39;s yondaime then &quot;reincarnation theory&quot; that naruto is reborned 4th seems very unlikely http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/laugh.gif

[itsgalf]

I don&#39;t know if anyone else noticed this

http://www.angelfire.com/rant/quickman/NarutoThird.jpg

look at the 3rd&#39;s and Jaraiya&#39;s eyes, they both have those little marks.

[itachi_]

Yeah, I really liked the new soundtrack when he think about all the konoha ninjas, it&#39;s the best so far... I hope it&#39;s in OST #2.. I really liked the hokage 3rds speach.. it&#39;s so honestly... beautiful.

[nar'to]

in a brief comparaison to the manga i thought the flashback sequence was a lot more meaningful and touching in the anime.
in turn, the scene of dead bodies hanging in the orochimaru&#39;s ab was more impactful and true to the his nature.

[Rassamus]

this is a lil late in the discussion, and i&#39;m new to the forums, but i have been watching naruto since the beginning so i know a lot i believe and not to make any enemies, but to those who believe the the kid with the goggles (the one next to kakashi) is kakashi&#39;s dead friend, i think he is actually Asuma, shikamaru&#39;s jounin sensei. i think iz obvious with the black hair... AND the toothpick in his mouth... toothpick=cigarette=connection=asuma... goggles or not iz asuma... naruto doesn&#39;t wear his goggles anymore. i think the girl in that picture is kakashi&#39;s dead friend... dead lover... maybe thaz why he misses her so... she has no resemblence to any of the live characters also, she has to be the dead friend, not the goggles kid. just my two cents. thanx

[r3n]

about the 4th being held by the lord of death, i think it is because the 3rd apologises to the 4th before he does the technique.

[rEkKaShInObI]

dont quote the pics...

[Mut]

if it was asuma, i&#39;d figure he would be a lot closer to kakashi. and i don&#39;t i remember one scene where asuma and kakashi are just chatting like friends (ie gai/kakashi). there is no point of making them seem so distant when they were former teammates.

also, to add to your &quot;logic&quot;... toothpick=stick/grass=connection=genma...

boom, out goes your two cents.

iz &#33;= is.

EDIT: but i&#39;m not saying that it is genma.

and it isn&#39;t a no brainer cuz no one knows yet. including you hatake.

[Hatake Kakashi]

Asuma, Gemma, Gai, nah.....

If this was the manga forum I would tell you who I think it is, but I can&#39;t...yet.

Its really a no brainer once you think about it.

[itachi_]

Now I&#39;m really pissed of, another huge failure by the team behind this episode just check this out
http://itachi.mediahalo.com/image/ficd243db3.medium/fucked%20up.jpg http://itachi.mediahalo.com/image/fifef5d909.medium/bscap000.jpg

In the anime it was Hokage 2nd that performed the &quot;Kokuangyo&quot; technique but in the manga, which is the authentic shit it was hokage 1st... Cut the bullshit &#33;&#33;&#33;

[The_Fourth]

It was a preety good episode, the anmation was great.
Here is just a merely THEORY of mine.

When the Third starts that sealing jutsu we can see a person being held by the God of Death I think its the Third itself being held. Now this is just a simple theory of mine. http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Madox]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (itachi_ @ Feb 29 2004, 11:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Now I&#39;m really pissed of, another huge failure by the team behind this episode just check this out
http://itachi.mediahalo.com/image/ficd243db3.medium/fucked%20up.jpg http://itachi.mediahalo.com/image/fifef5d909.medium/bscap000.jpg

In the anime it was Hokage 2nd that performed the &quot;Kokuangyo&quot; technique but in the manga, which is the authentic shit it was hokage 1st... Cut the bullshit &#33;&#33;&#33; </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
They changed it so the 2nd actaully did somthing, the first had already made all of those trees.

They just did&#39;nt want to leave the 2nd out.

[True_strengh]

temari is getting way to oooooooold ..shes so boring ...i want to see kabuto,gai and kakashi fight .... http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/dry.gif

[True_strengh]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (itachi_ @ Feb 29 2004, 11:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Now I&#39;m really pissed of, another huge failure by the team behind this episode just check this out
http://itachi.mediahalo.com/image/ficd243db3.medium/fucked%20up.jpg http://itachi.mediahalo.com/image/fifef5d909.medium/bscap000.jpg

In the anime it was Hokage 2nd that performed the &quot;Kokuangyo&quot; technique but in the manga, which is the authentic shit it was hokage 1st... Cut the bullshit &#33;&#33;&#33; </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
hate this fucking changes ..i agree with you http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/mad.gif

[Sigure]

A very good episode. It actually made me kinda emotional what Hokage said. I&#39;m never emotional. The Death God technique looks cool. Flashbacks that are interesting. A very good episode, knowing that their was little action in it.

[itachi_]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>They changed it so the 2nd actaully did somthing, the first had already made all of those trees.

They just did&#39;nt want to leave the 2nd out. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

How do you possible know?? that&#39;s not a good reason to change the fact that 1st performed it, not the 2nd. They have changed everything, as we have discussed, the bodies in orochimaru&#39;s hideout was replaced with coffins bottles etc.... this is unacceptable.

[HimizujinEternia]

If you think it&#39;s unacceptable, stop watching the anime. I don&#39;t mind, so long as they don&#39;t deviate too far.

That said, I was wondering, &quot;WTF&quot; throughout the entire Sasuke v. Temari fight. It never happened in the manga... now we&#39;re gonna need some serious Deus ex Machina to get the battle in the forest storyline back on track. However, I will keep watching just to see if they pull it off.

[Master_Shikamaru]

This is unacceptable? Look who thinks he has authority. Oh, I&#39;m sure the WHOLE episode was comepletely RUINED from deviating from the manga ever so slightly.
Grow up and stop whining, cry-baby.


On another note:

That episode was pretty cool. I really did like the Temari/Sasuke fight but I found it wayyyy to short. Then again, some of the flashbacks were really cool. I was wondering, in Orochimaru&#39;s lab what technique did he do to kill two ANUBU members and nearly kill Enma? It must have been super powerful. Also, the thrid hokage must be mega powerful to actually summon a god while also summoning Enma&#33;

[Yaba]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (itsgalf @ Feb 29 2004, 07:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I don&#39;t know if anyone else noticed this

http://www.angelfire.com/rant/quickman/NarutoThird.jpg

look at the 3rd&#39;s and Jaraiya&#39;s eyes, they both have those little marks. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
yeah... the 3 legendary senins http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif very cool..

but the marks don&#39;t mean a thing, it&#39;s not like he&#39;s his son .

[itachi_]

I don&#39;t cry, ******, but they should follow the manga better, they&#39;ve passed the line now, not to talk about the blood-level = <u>LOW</u>.

[Assertn]

yeah i also noticed the lines under their eyes......i wonder if kishimoto purposely did that recurringly to represent tears of some sort?

that was pretty cool how kakashi was trained by the 4th...it would also explain more as to why sarutobi picked kakashi to train naruto&#39;s group

[Hatake Kakashi]

Being a manga reader, I have been practically drooling for this episode ever since I realized it would get to this point.

Just FYI, in the manga Orochimaru didn&#39;t have containers of human parts in his little lab, he had actualy human bodies hanging on the wall like dead livestock. Some of them were even still alive but bleeding.

Also, Hokage&#39;s speech was awesome, better than even in the manga, the voice actor that does him is just an outstanding talent.

As for that person in the jutsu being the 4th, I can&#39;t say anything about that because its a spoiler.


Oh and the person holding Naruto is most likely the 3rd, Yondaime seemed to have blue on under his robes, and I believe Sarutobi was holding him after the Kyubi was sealed.

I usually delete episodes after I watch them, but this is good enough to keep.

Now I will walk away from this thread, when I come back I am guessing their will be speculation on who some of those guys were in the flashbacks...since the anime viewers have just now seen them.

[tensai]

i thought it was kakashi too
but the image of the uchiha fan kinda confused me to think it was someone else.
wasnt kakashi talking about being able to compete with orochimaru, then oro responded and kakashi got hella scared
maybe kakashi just imagine what could have happened if they fought

[Uchiha-Itachi]

ppl still calling Naruto DragonBalls Z are no-brain immature brats who dont have a clue where the Anime is going about..

PERIOD&#33;

kthxbai~ case closed..

P.S

Same goes for the whiners who keep whining about how worse the Anime is compared to the Manga, cuz they just regret they watched the Manga so it auto-ruins the Anime for them..

Cuz its always the Manga readers that come in the Anime section to WHINE THERE LAME *SSES OFF &#33;&#33;&#33;

omfg cant you just stay in the Manga section with your whining crap?&#33;

Funny thing is ppl like Itachi_ also come here to put in some spoilers thats suppose to be from the manga, thats based on bullshit that he makes up himself and thinks he&#39;s smart and want to get praised in the Anime section for his superior (puke) knowledge .. Gawd i mean if you gonna spoil and f*ck up threads, at least speak the truth..

F*ck*d up wannabee&#39;s..

[Everon]

Breath Uchiha_Itachi.

Say it with me now...&quot;Its only a show, It only a show&quot;

[Terracosmo]

rEkKaShInObI: Shall I recap to you how your name makes you look like a person who randomly hits your keyboard for a stupid nick when I know that you didn&#39;t?

Bottomline, to &quot;be SIMILAR to&quot; is one thing. And to &quot;be IDENTICAL to&quot; is another.
It&#39;s not like I ever said that Naruto DOESN&#39;T have DBZ influences, right?

[Nara Shikamaru]

http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/wink.gif uchiha fan kinda got me confused. i know that his sharingan wasn&#39;t natural and it looked as if someone did an operation on him but what did his friend have to do wit it? and anyone wonder WHOSE EYE it is? maybe when itachi wiped out uchiha someone found a dead body and replaced kakashi&#39;s eye? so lost O_O meh guess we have to find out =P

[Sasuke~Ninja]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rEkKaShInObI @ Feb 29 2004, 01:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I only liked Temari vs Sasuke. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Agreed didnt like much about it other than the ochy lab thing that was kinda cool...all i am begining to see at this point of naruto is DBZ...whats it been 4, 5, 6 eps since och and 3rd started fighting? how far have they got? well so far we got a bit of back ground on ocha and got to see 3rds summon weapon... thats about all i see so far from all of this... mabey the next episode will be decently good enuff to watch with my old school naruto addiction in place instead of wow this is pretty boring so far

[Krbadass]

It&#39;s nothing like dbz.. in dbz they just waste time, in naruto they develop a story line when they aren&#39;t fighting.

[Mut]

naruto is actually somewhat similar to dbz. naruto isn&#39;t following the exact storyline of dbz but it has similarities scattered around. if you can&#39;t tell that it has SOME similarities than you need to die.

PS. i&#39;m not saying that naruto is dbz, btw.

[Hatake Kakashi]

Why are you getting confused over a fan that is not even there? I keep looking at it, but still don&#39;t see anything that looks like the Uchiha clan symbol. Their is symbol on this guys back, but it looks more like a ying yang as someone else mentioned.

It is most likely Kakashi with the spiral symbol on his back nothing more.

[RaZzy]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dazzz &#064; Mar 1 2004, 03:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> naruto is actually somewhat similar to dbz. naruto isn&#39;t following the exact storyline of dbz but it has similarities scattered around. if you can&#39;t tell that it has SOME similarities than you need to die.

PS. i&#39;m not saying that naruto is dbz, btw. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
what the fuck
NARUTO HAS A STORYLINE and DBZ DOESNT
that&#39;s the big difference.. also they&#39;re in complete other times.. the fighting style is also ALOT .. REALLY ALOT different than dbz.. with the scene picking and stuff, you maybe don&#39;t notice.
Anyway the ONLY fucking reason you (and some others) say it&#39;s like dbz is because the waiting time: &quot;A damn this takes so long i want it to go further.&quot;
WELL DEAL WITH IT. Not much goes in a 20min episode, the action the suspense and whatever needs to be in it. Not that you see every fight after fight flashing by with almost no talking. That would SUCK.
Man this pisses me off..........


(I think the spelling sucks in this post but i don&#39;t care about that)

[Destiny]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RaZzy &#064; Mar 2 2004, 08:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Anyway the ONLY fucking reason you (and some others) say it&#39;s like dbz is because the waiting time: &quot;A damn this takes so long i want it to go further.&quot;
WELL DEAL WITH IT. Not much goes in a 20min episode, the action the suspense and whatever needs to be in it. Not that you see every fight after fight flashing by with almost no talking. That would SUCK.
Man this pisses me off..........


(I think the spelling sucks in this post but i don&#39;t care about that) </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
The only reason people say Naruto is like DBZ is becos it IS. It&#39;s just the fact that you guys are too short-sighted to realise anything other than Naruto itself. You simply say, Naruto good, DBZ bad (which is the truth btw), so automatically there&#39;s nothing similar between the two.
I think maybe some people should open up and just face facts. If there was nothing similar between the two animes, then no one would mention it now, would they?

I dont know why people make so much fuss over it anyway. It&#39;s just the way it is, so work with it. No point complaining.

[Jman]

<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:#D6DBE0'>Naruto=DBZ done right</span></span>
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Its only a show, It only a show</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>


<span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>ctrl+a</span>

[Assertn]

think about this.....dbz at one point was one of the most popular shows in the world
now one piece and naruto are huge in japan

all 3 of these series DO have their similarities with the occasional contrived battles and elaborate plots/character buildup. Just because the producers of dbz became greedy bastards and purposely stretched the series for as long as possible doesnt mean that the series in itself is bad. I&#39;m sure the apparent flaws of dbz are nowhere near as bad in the manga version.

The point anyway, is that a great way to ensure a large viewing audience is to attract the same people that were pulled in by the older classics, using similiar methods. Naruto IS like dbz, just without the flaws that dbz had.

[Terracosmo]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sasuke~Ninja @ Mar 1 2004, 08:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rEkKaShInObI &#064; Feb 29 2004, 01:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I only liked Temari vs Sasuke. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Agreed didnt like much about it other than the ochy lab thing that was kinda cool...all i am begining to see at this point of naruto is DBZ...whats it been 4, 5, 6 eps since och and 3rd started fighting? how far have they got? well so far we got a bit of back ground on ocha and got to see 3rds summon weapon... thats about all i see so far from all of this... mabey the next episode will be decently good enuff to watch with my old school naruto addiction in place instead of wow this is pretty boring so far </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
You, sir, are a complete moron.
My tip to you is to actually pay attention to what happens in Naruto.
Just because a guy doesn&#39;t die every second episode you don&#39;t have a right to call it boring and absolutely not by DBZ standards.

So what if the 3rd &quot;just started fighting&quot;. Have you thought about that they switch back and forth with Naruto&#39;s team &amp; Konohamaru&#39;s thoughts too? And have you thought about that the Hokage is an important character &amp; Orochimaru currently the #1 villain? Would you really be satisfied if Hokage just said &quot;GO TO HELL&#33;&quot; and killed him after 2 minutes? No?

Didn&#39;t think so.

[Terracosmo]

Now now guys... I can see how some people are infuriated about people making comparisons to DBZ. And in a sense, I am aswell. But fact remains that Naruto has vast influences from DBZ. Both sides have points.

But regardless, this topic has gone very heated and far from episode 72 since a long time ago so... catch you next week&#33; Or should I say, next episode&#33;

[Kumiriko]

Completly right there. DBZ was literally. Oh i am getting ready to do this move but i need to Grunt and yell to get the energy. with naruto. they are takeing alot of time because alot of this is happaning at the same time but they have to show it. so when it appers there is a brake in the action the other part of the story gets put on pause. they just dont stand around untill they come back to it. There is loads of Chariter and story development. If you are watching for Fights alone. you are watching the Wronge serise. A battle with Deep rooted emotions Is much more exciting then. oh. you are my nemisis. and just fighting.

[Yondaime]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hatake Kakashi @ Feb 29 2004, 05:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Since you have seen those pics, these won&#39;t be spoilers anymore

http://narutoguide.narutofan.com/images/biographies_main.jpg

Just some alternative poses. These are on Kakashi&#39;s shelf in his bedroom. Kishimoto drew a color picture of Kakashi sleeping for the cover of one of the manga (the covers are never animated)

</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
ok not being too pointy but there is something very wrong with Kakashi&#39;s picture....he has the protector covering his right eye rather than his left eye which has the sharingan......so we can say Kishimoto SCREWED up there....and its not just that the protector fell over the wrong eye....the eye shown is not sharingan and it doesn&#39;t even have that scar.......so yea...Kishimoto SCREWED up.

[itachi_]

Duh&#33;?

That&#39;s just one thing out of hundreds, they&#39;ll always change things, which is absurb
Just compare every anime episode with the manga and then you&#39;ll find several changes everytime, some are minor but a few are really major, that they should&#39;nt have changed...

It&#39;s irritating

[Yondaime]

but isn&#39;t kakashi one of his main characters and come on if he is been drawing Kakashi every week for so many years he shouldn&#39;t make such a stupid mistakes... http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif

[Raven]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Yondaime @ Mar 1 2004, 06:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ok not being too pointy but there is something very wrong with Kakashi&#39;s picture....he has the protector covering his right eye rather than his left eye which has the sharingan......so we can say Kishimoto SCREWED up there....and its not just that the protector fell over the wrong eye....the eye shown is not sharingan and it doesn&#39;t even have that scar.......so yea...Kishimoto SCREWED up. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Um, no, did it ever occur to you that it&#39;s a mirror image of the original picture? Think about things before you say such harsh words.

[Vagabond]

This picture has been the subject of many topics on different naruto forums including this one.
Take a look at it.
http://Vagabondlbd.mediahalo.com/image/fi446b83d3.upload/Obito.jpg
(I marked it a and b so i can explain it better)
A. If you look closely you&#39;ll see that the shadow figure is wearing some sort glasses. Or goggles....
B. Look to the left of the b. You see a divided circle. Where have you seen that symbol before?........... Ah yes on the back of Sasuke. It is the symbol for the Uchiha clan.

This explains where Kakashi got his sharingan. Now it is obvious that this person is dead because kakashi states early in the series that everyone close to him is dead. We know this &quot;shadow person&quot; was close to kakashi because the image appears when Oro mentions something about kakashi&#39;s past.
Meh i know im missing some things but im tired and i need some sleep.
Also know that i am not the first person to think of this. I&#39;m just reposting it cause a lot of people don&#39;t seem to know about it.

[Terracosmo]

...are you sure that symbol isn&#39;t the normal Konoha ninja mark?

[itachi_]

I&#39;ve got a theory that&#39;s based on that Obito was Itachi &amp; Sasuke&#39;s father and and was a teammate of kakashi..

[Munsu]

For all we know it can be a Ying-Yang circle

[.akai]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Yondaime &#064; Mar 1 2004, 07:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hatake Kakashi &#064; Feb 29 2004, 05:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Since you have seen those pics, these won&#39;t be spoilers anymore

http://narutoguide.narutofan.com/images/biographies_main.jpg

Just some alternative poses. These are on Kakashi&#39;s shelf in his bedroom. Kishimoto drew a color picture of Kakashi sleeping for the cover of one of the manga (the covers are never animated)

</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
ok not being too pointy but there is something very wrong with Kakashi&#39;s picture....he has the protector covering his right eye rather than his left eye which has the sharingan......so we can say Kishimoto SCREWED up there....and its not just that the protector fell over the wrong eye....the eye shown is not sharingan and it doesn&#39;t even have that scar.......so yea...Kishimoto SCREWED up.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Chill... http://forums.gotwoot.net/html/emoticons/dry.gif nothing is wrong with that picture except it is flipped horizontal. Look at the konoha symbol on their (kakashi&#39;s, naruto&#39;s, sasuke&#39;s) forehead protector.

[Assassin]

i hope kishimoto actually explains about kakashi&#39;s mysterious past at some point, instead of just leaving it as it is. pehaps tehre will be an arc dedicated entirely to kakashi and his past.....

mayb, he goes on a journey to confront some enemy from his childhood. we&#39;d get to see flashbacks that would probably explain alot. what do u guys think, good idea or bad?


ps: can someone post a scan of oro&#39;s lab from the manga....i wanna see the bodies

[itachi_]

Yeah like an 4 episode OVA..

[rEkKaShInObI]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Terracosmo @ Mar 1 2004, 04:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sasuke~Ninja &#064; Mar 1 2004, 08:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rEkKaShInObI &#064; Feb 29 2004, 01:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I only liked Temari vs Sasuke. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Agreed didnt like much about it other than the ochy lab thing that was kinda cool...all i am begining to see at this point of naruto is DBZ...whats it been 4, 5, 6 eps since och and 3rd started fighting? how far have they got? well so far we got a bit of back ground on ocha and got to see 3rds summon weapon... thats about all i see so far from all of this... mabey the next episode will be decently good enuff to watch with my old school naruto addiction in place instead of wow this is pretty boring so far </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
You, sir, are a complete moron.
My tip to you is to actually pay attention to what happens in Naruto.
Just because a guy doesn&#39;t die every second episode you don&#39;t have a right to call it boring and absolutely not by DBZ standards.

So what if the 3rd &quot;just started fighting&quot;. Have you thought about that they switch back and forth with Naruto&#39;s team &amp; Konohamaru&#39;s thoughts too? And have you thought about that the Hokage is an important character &amp; Orochimaru currently the #1 villain? Would you really be satisfied if Hokage just said &quot;GO TO HELL&#33;&quot; and killed him after 2 minutes? No?

Didn&#39;t think so. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Shall i recap to you how naruto is dangerously similar to dragon ball z? or would you rather admit defeat?

[Hatake Kakashi]

itachi_
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I&#39;ve got a theory that&#39;s based on that NAME IS A SPOILER was Itachi &amp; Sasuke&#39;s father and and was a teammate of kakashi..</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Yeah and we have shot it down in the manga forum so many times. He would have had to had kids at like 10 if your theory was true, stop talking about it. Especially in the anime forum where these guys don&#39;t even know who he is, since his name has not been mentioned in the anime yet.

That anime picture was a hot topic in the manga forum when that episode aired. In the manga it showed Orochimaru hitting Kakashi.

That picture looks like a rought outline of Kakashi too, I am sure its not his dead friend, but who knows, they have been making changes to the anime since day 1.

[Assertn]

in the manga i think they made it more apparent that it was an &quot;image of death&quot; that orochimaru likes to do to people. I think thats just kakashi seeing his own head getting chopped off.

[Master_Shikamaru]

That above picture...is kinda too messy to draw any conclusions from....I mean....It's a smudge....