Naruto Chapter 202 Topic [Archive]

Hatake Kakashi

Fri, 01-30-2004, 06:12 AM

Last Page = HOLY SHIT!

As I heard a lot of dialogue. Can't wait for the scanslation.

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<span style='color:#D6DBE0'>Shikamaru looks like he is in deep shit. Let's hope his old man taught him some new moves.

Kiba and Sakon appear to be at a stale mate so far, but he hasn't used his curse seal yet.

Naruto has surrounded Kimimaro with a shitload of Shadow Clones, but they are only as strong as 1 Naruto in all, so its not that big of a deal. He did the same thing with Sasuke, and Sasuke beat them off like they were nothing.

Good chapter it seems like though, bet it will be even better with dialogue.</span>

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Trip

Fri, 01-30-2004, 06:23 AM

holy crap!!!! http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_w00t1.gif looks like the next few chapters will be very good http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Vagabond

Fri, 01-30-2004, 06:25 AM

hm read the first few scans, looks like theres not a lot of actions so i'll wait for the translated version. But finally my sword/left hand question is answered. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/laugh.gif

Destroyor

Fri, 01-30-2004, 07:19 AM

The manga raw is in ??? chinese? http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/sleep.gif?

AlbinoFury

Fri, 01-30-2004, 07:46 AM

ive heard its in korean.

my main comment is that shikamaru is in so much deep shit.

PSJ

Fri, 01-30-2004, 07:51 AM

hmm okay chapter but dont pre judge those kage bunshins and they are nothing like the ones against sasuke against sasuke naruto didnt even use kyubi chakra, you dont know how much of the kyubi chakra is used here since he went crazy but on the other hand kimimaro looks alot more stronger than sasuke..... gonna be some good fights now.

Vagabond

Fri, 01-30-2004, 08:10 AM

hm what does Naruto think he's accomplishing by making 1000 kage bunshins. We all know they're gonna get beat. Maybe he's trying to psyche Kimimaro out. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif
I wonder what oro and kabuto are talking about. Maybe it has to do with Kimimaro's powers?

makkura

Fri, 01-30-2004, 08:13 AM

maybe its about his weakness http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/dry.gif

Wren

Fri, 01-30-2004, 08:17 AM

actually---this one is different from sasuke---last time he did this was with either Gaara, or against Mizuki---the last time they were this strong though was vs. Mizuki, cuz with the Kyuubi chakra its like an army of regular Naruto before doing Kage Bunshin. so difference, but im sure Kimimaro can handle himself

Hatake Kakashi

Fri, 01-30-2004, 08:27 AM

Yeah, we are supposed to be impressed that Naruto did this and think he might have a chance. Kimimaro is just going to own them all with either a high level ninjutsu or taijutsu.

makkura

Fri, 01-30-2004, 08:29 AM

he will have lots to ''cook'' http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Destroyor

Fri, 01-30-2004, 09:07 AM

1000+ kage bunshin is out now, Kimimaro should be able to handle this no problem. What I'm really interested in is that what would Sasuke do if he's in Kimimaro's shoes? I remember some earlier comment about how Sasuke would somehow beat the crap out of 1000+ kage bunshin ...

Mut

Fri, 01-30-2004, 09:35 AM

it's definitely not in modern korean and i highly doubt that it's written in the older language since almost all of the newer generations totally have forgotten about it.

damnit where is the translated.

Hatake Kakashi

Fri, 01-30-2004, 09:44 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Destroyor @ Jan 30 2004, 08:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> 1000+ kage bunshin is out now, Kimimaro should be able to handle this no problem. What I'm really interested in is that what would Sasuke do if he's in Kimimaro's shoes? I remember some earlier comment about how Sasuke would somehow beat the crap out of 1000+ kage bunshin ... </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Yeah but the strength of each Bunshin is only 1/1000th of how strong Naruto is.

One hit and they are done.

Kishimoto most likely set this up, so we can see just how bad ass Kimimaro is.

Immortal Boner

Fri, 01-30-2004, 10:12 AM

That chapter was awsome. Instead of slow 1 on 1 fights we now get a three in one. Made it a bit short but it's really starting to shape up. I'm looking forward to Kyubi Naruto getting owned. If Kimimaro can beat Kyubi Naruto without the seal then he'll definately live up to his rep.

AlbinoFury

Fri, 01-30-2004, 10:17 AM

there is a summary post of 202 over at toriyamaworld.com; so Ill post the link if yall wanna spoil, and are inpatient. I do warn though this is just somebodies post and while it seems legit and they tend to be on the Jump board over there, i cant guarantee its accuracy, and also once again this is just a summary from some guy in japan or something. summary ('http://www.toriyamaworld.com/forum/thread-view.asp?threadid=10474&start=1')

makkura

Fri, 01-30-2004, 10:44 AM

good initiative ! less spam http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

i want to use all my will power to resist reading this chapter and read 202 and 203 in one shot but i'm too weak http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/sad.gif

i gotta have my naruto fix !

Jiraiy4

Fri, 01-30-2004, 10:59 AM

Is Kimimaro overrated? I think he is...cuz Kabuto said to Kimimaro "I don't know who's stronger between you and Sasuke." So that means Sasuke is apparently on the same level or stronger than Kimimaro, meaning that Naruto indeed has a chance against Kimimaro or stronger than him (cuz I believe Naruto is stronger than Sasuke at the moment). Im hoping to see some strategies by Naruto, he's rasengan failed multiple times already, I'm really anxious to see what method he'll perform to use it. I don't think I even need to see Kimimaro fight and simply judge who'll win, if Naruto summons GamaBunta...then its OVER.

Insomniac

Fri, 01-30-2004, 11:30 AM

Kabuto was saying i wonder whos stronger between you two because now Sasuke has a level 2 cursed seal.
we have no idea how strong Sasuke is at level 2

mage

Fri, 01-30-2004, 11:31 AM

i think kabuto was talking about sasuke's potential, not his current skill.

Insomniac

Fri, 01-30-2004, 11:35 AM

got my hopes up

but usually the raw topic is for people who want to try to understand whats going on or have someone translate it - the translated topic is where most people post as they've just read it

we wont be able to discuss the RAW like this because it'll give spoilers away to the people who wait for inane or OT

Jiraiy4

Fri, 01-30-2004, 11:41 AM

did Kabuto right out say "level 2 Sasuke" ?he was kinda vague when he stated that

Hatake Kakashi

Fri, 01-30-2004, 11:43 AM

For the people who are discussing the RAW Mark your posts as

RAW Discussion SPOILERS Below
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<span style='color:#D6DBE0'>Then put a Spoiler Tag Like this so no one gets mad</span>

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I have a feeling that until the scanslation comes out, this topic won't get hot anyway. Most people might not even come in until its out.

Nine Tailed Demon

Fri, 01-30-2004, 11:45 AM

Didn't even come out yet, now you'll have post on next friday for chapter 203 from 8 people trying to be first.

PSJ

Fri, 01-30-2004, 11:49 AM

Lets just keep out of this topic until the scanlation is realesed, we dont want to spam do we?

Destroyor

Fri, 01-30-2004, 11:53 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hatake Kakashi @ Jan 30 2004, 09:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Yeah but the strength of each Bunshin is only 1/1000th of how strong Naruto is.

One hit and they are done.

Kishimoto most likely set this up, so we can see just how bad ass Kimimaro is. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
You are thinking of water clone. Shadow clone have the exact same strength (fighting power) as its creator only that it can only take 1 clean hit(health).

Hatake Kakashi

Fri, 01-30-2004, 12:03 PM

Destoyor, the Chakra for Kage Bunshins is divided up equally. They don't have the same strength. Go read the manga, you obviously haven't done so already.

Enough of this, who is stronger stuff already..

Besides Inane's Version is out on an XDCC bot in #mangareaders

L8r

Fri, 01-30-2004, 12:07 PM

you got a site you can download it from?

Hatake Kakashi

Fri, 01-30-2004, 12:16 PM

You are going to have to go on mIRC like everyone else until someone uploads it to a site.

I am going to read the chapter now...

villin

Fri, 01-30-2004, 12:28 PM

Narutofan has Inane's translated version out.

Hatake Kakashi

Fri, 01-30-2004, 12:36 PM

Well not a whole lot of stuff was revealed. We got some insight into Shikamaru's mind, how he feels about leading the team. Its also pretty cool how he doesn't think his friends are dead. I am starting to think that they aren't either.

I hope Kishimoto keeps going back and forth between the fights like this. It is a lot better than boring 1 on 1 every issue.

I guess Sakon is the strongest of the Sound 4..no wonder Sasuke had a tough time with him. I hope Kiba and Akamaru brought there A game with them. These giants that Tayuya called, might prove to be tough for Shikamaru, but I think somehow he will find a way to win. Probably has to do something with disecting Tayuya's personality.

villin

Fri, 01-30-2004, 12:41 PM

I've got a bad feeling that Naruto is relying on the same strategy he used against Sasgay on the hospital roof. He creates a bunch of clones to distract his enemy while he forms his rasengan. I don't think Kimimaru is stupid enough to fall for that but if and when Naruto busts out the rasengan its going to be massive since he's using so much Kyubi chakra( as indicated by the change in appearance that wasn't there in his fight with Neji).

Naruto_-_Kun

Fri, 01-30-2004, 12:42 PM

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http://uceboyx.super-serv.com/jackey/index...%5BInane%5D.zip ('http://uceboyx.super-serv.com/jackey/index.php?dir=Naruto/&file=Naruto_v23_ch202%5BInane%5D.zip')

Nine Tailed Demon

Fri, 01-30-2004, 12:54 PM

This is Kyubi Naruto right now, no telling how strong he is right now. A thousand Narutos, you know why it is like this though. What other attacks besides kage bushin, summoning frogs, and Rasengan does he know. Oh and 1,000 years of pain.`

Mut

Sat, 01-31-2004, 02:01 AM

i think kiba will lose...if he doesn't, then wtf i guess sakon sucks considering he's the strongest one out of the four. anyway, i also think shika is fucked. even though he is super smart, he doesn't have any strong attacks to defeat 4 of them. and as for naruto versus kimimaro, i think kimimaro will clean house.

iraki

Sat, 01-31-2004, 02:09 AM

There is something you have not thought of. What about sasuke?

I remember Kabuto wondering of who is the stronger between Sasuke and that Kimimaro guy, so I think Naruto will start off by fighting Kimimaro but it will result in Sasuke breaking free.

And what better chance do we get to see Sasuke fight Kimimaro??

And Kiba will definetly loose to Sakon, Kiba will have some tricks up his sleeve, but I don't think it will be enough to defeat Sakon.

xtort

Sat, 01-31-2004, 02:09 AM

I hope and pray for 203. This (finally!) has the makings of another Haku/Zabuza fight, where there's something on the line, the fights are amazing, thought provoking. The series has been really trying my patience, and hopefully, I'll reap the rewards for it. Anyone else feeling this?

-xtortout

jing

Sat, 01-31-2004, 02:11 AM

well how about taking out the legs? they wont be able to stand

Hatake Kakashi

Sat, 01-31-2004, 02:27 AM

He will probably make his shadow go along the ground in between Tayuya's feet. Then continue on to the Giant in the middle. He will have him do like a whirl wind spin which will hit all 3 of them and send them flying. Then he will back up and fall backwards so that giant can knock his head off the tree.

Shika is the winner!

sangai

Sat, 01-31-2004, 02:27 AM

well it would be easier said than done

just lope off both heads with a bigass shuriken but that would be hard

Gabriel Angelfire

Sat, 01-31-2004, 02:32 AM

I know how you feel xtort, but not for the Naruto Series. I felt that way for the Inuyasha series which I stopped reading. Honestly I thought the Zabusa/Haku arc was my least favorite of the series. Idk why I just couldnt get into it.

Anywayz this chapter rox. I still think Naruto will woop Kimimaro and then Sasuke is gonna bust out of the barrel and bitch slap a weakend Naruto. Lol you guys are doubting Kiba he will beat Sakon. Plus I think the summons are gonna be Tayuyas mistake. I have a feeling the Shika is gonna shadow copy one of the summons and hit her with it.

jing

Sat, 01-31-2004, 02:35 AM

hmm. i say shikamaru will shadow bind the 3 giant gnomes thingy, and have them attack tayuya. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/wink.gif

Mut

Sat, 01-31-2004, 02:46 AM

sasuke ain't coming back with naruto. that's for sure. DON'T ARGUE THIS http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mad.gif

Hotsuma

Sat, 01-31-2004, 02:50 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Gabriel Angelfire @ Jan 31 2004, 02:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I know how you feel xtort, but not for the Naruto Series. I felt that way for the Inuyasha series which I stopped reading. Honestly I thought the Zabusa/Haku arc was my least favorite of the series. Idk why I just couldnt get into it.

Anywayz this chapter rox. I still think Naruto will woop Kimimaro and then Sasuke is gonna bust out of the barrel and bitch slap a weakend Naruto. Lol you guys are doubting Kiba he will beat Sakon. Plus I think the summons are gonna be Tayuyas mistake. I have a feeling the Shika is gonna shadow copy one of the summons and hit her with it. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Exactly. I think Shikamaru will use the summoned craetures shadow to extend his jutsu, and somehow lead her on into an eventual (but slow) capture with the jutsu. He'll be drained, after though.

As for Kiba, I think he'll win, too. He's the perfect match for Sakon, since he can also duplicate himself, just like Sakon did. Akamaru and him will probably think of something.

The only person that isn't going to win, is Naruto. I'm not doubting the little bastard, but I don't see Kimimaro losing, anytime soon. He didn't seem the slight bit caught off guard by the bunshins, so obviously, this kind of thing is nothing to me. And, I also don't think a simple rasengan will do the trick, either.

Raven

Sat, 01-31-2004, 03:04 AM

I don't think Kimimaro will lose at this point simply due to the fact that he's only recently been introduced and anticipated. If he were to lose now it would destroy all the momentum that has been built up behind him as a villian.

I'm not sure how it will all go down, but I think it's pretty obvious Sasuke's gonna make an appearance sooner rather than later. He'll most likely interupt the current fight between Naruto and Kimimaro, but it's hard to say who he'll go against, if not both of them.

Shika and Kiba both seem to be in a lot of trouble atm..... I think Shika will be ok, after his speech about teammates and trust it really sets him up to win, he wouldn't lose after saying all that. And Kiba seems to be outclassed right now, making the reader believe it's all over, so that tells me he'll end up winning, as a turnaround 'twist'.

Like someone mentioned before, I'd really like to see Shika control one of the summons and attack the other summons with it or even Tayuya herself, that would be pretty ironic, hehe http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/laugh.gif

PSJ

Sat, 01-31-2004, 03:04 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dazzz @ Jan 31 2004, 07:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> sasuke ain't coming back with naruto. that's for sure. DON'T ARGUE THIS http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mad.gif </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
hehe i love your posts man. just strait forward.
i dont think sasuke will come back either. he is to stubborn and stupid to come back.

correction! you're the wrong Dazz!!! aww anyway you behave a little like the real one http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/wink.gif

itachi_

Sat, 01-31-2004, 03:09 AM

Darn Naruto!! why make multiple shadow clones (1000+) and divide the chakra in so many clones, they're weak now, SUMMON GAMABUNTA, gamabunta obeyed naruto when they fought gaara so probably he will obey this time also, stop that kage-bushin no jutsu... or do a mighty rasengan with combo with fast taijutsu...

OshadowO

Sat, 01-31-2004, 03:11 AM

Kiba can't lose. If he loses he dies...atleast based on what Kabuto said about sakkon.
The last panel was sweeet. I can't wait for the next one.

AlbinoFury

Sat, 01-31-2004, 03:13 AM

i dont see them drawing out the kiba and shika fights long, the emphasis is clearly the naruto fight, maybe they will show some good moves next chapter then the leaf backup arrives, and when they come to help the naruto fight they all just sit back and watch it unfold as it would be too dangerous to intervene. Im hoping this is where the leaf prove to the sound they are not worthless bitches like they keep calling them.

sangai

Sat, 01-31-2004, 03:22 AM

seeing as how they have been drawing i think that they will continue what there doing by showing lil clips of each persons battle they cover a bunch of events at once

PSJ

Sat, 01-31-2004, 03:29 AM

doing 1000+ Kage bunshins is part of naruto's angry show off we will probably see some rasengans and/or gamabunta summoning to. just be patient and wait until he fights with all of these clones. remember that naruto is not really good in taijutsu and that he mainly have to fight one opponent with several bodies to make up for his lack in taijutsu skill. and we dont even know how strong each bunshin is. besides its hard to fight 1000 opponents even if they're weak.

itachi_

Sat, 01-31-2004, 03:33 AM

I mean like having sasukes/itachi/lee speed, and making rasengan, it's godlike speed... it's a good combo

rleland

Sat, 01-31-2004, 03:39 AM

i know this is long past, but incase they didn't get their answeR: the "raw" is in chinese
it's not a raw either though
it was probably in japanese when it was scanned and from there it got translated to chinese... unless they're releasing a chinese version of it paralell with the japanese one (they are probably releasing chinese one too but i thought they would be releasing that one a bit later)

it's just that there's a "speech" bubble (11.jpg) where it was probably written with kanji in japanese, and the hiragana and katakana (forgot the name which represents both of htem http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif ) which say how the kanji are pronounced are still there
i thought they might have removed them if they translated it to chinese in the book format.. but someone translating it online would probably not bother to even touch the speceh bubble (for those who dont know it kanji is written the same way as traditional chinese)

besides i just realized that the chinese in most of the comic is alot darker than it should've been if it was scanned =p i think i'll safely conclude it was added later

as if anyone cares http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif

i hope noone bothered to read all that rambling

the chapter was awesome though ^^ i hope it doesn't end in any way disappointing
and i hope naruto doesn't just use all those damn clones to attack.. but i'm afraid he seems to have entered a bit of a berserker mode so he might not care too much about thinking strategically =p
he's got alot of strategic potential with that many clones though; would be sad to see him waste it

and kiba and shik seem screwed.. i hope the other guys who are still alive hurry up and come to their rescue http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_w00t1.gif

PSJ

Sat, 01-31-2004, 03:53 AM

first i dont think itachis speed is at the level of either sasukes or lee's and lee is most likely still faster than sasuke at least the normal sasuke without curse seal shit. kimimaro will most likely be faster than both sasuke and lee.

EDIT: of course i mean that itach is faster than sasuke and lee....

Hakeem_21

Sat, 01-31-2004, 04:06 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Insomniac @ Jan 31 2004, 07:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i foresee a 'win' next chapter followed by an overall loss by all the genins, Sasuke will make it to sound you've gotta recognise that. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Sasuke has to go to the sound for the story's sake.

It would be to much hollywood if you know what i mean,if Naruto gets Sasuke back to leaf village. Something bad has to happen. If you call that Sasuke going to Oro bad http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/wink.gif

itachi_

Sat, 01-31-2004, 04:08 AM

Haven't you read 140-146 ??
Did you see when kurenai ambushed him and then, *poof* he was ambushed, and the same goes for kakashi, he went super god-like speed at him, and *poof* he was behind him with a kunai, though it was just a clone, but it was fast.

Stoopider

Sat, 01-31-2004, 04:12 AM

Somehow, Kishimoto has made heroes out of Chouji and all the underdogs so far. I think he's going to do the same with Akamaru and his dog. (Hee hee). So Kiba's going to win. But also by a very small margin. We've yet to see Sakon go to level 2 as well.

As for Shika. He's too smart to lose. It's somewhat to improbable. he'll probably feign death and as Tayuya thinks he's dead and gloats over Shika, thats when Shika would strike. Probably doing his Shadow Neck Bind Jutsu... Another thing. Is it me, or is it like getting darker in the series (I mean, approaching evening or nightfall?). Shika's more or less unstoppable at night.

For Naruto however, I think Naruto's definitely going to lose. Either pushing Kimmi To level 2 or something. And as the death of Naruto beckons, Sasuke is going to pop out of his barrel and be the hero for once.

And about Naruto's strength getting divided, Does it? I don't remember that though..... Definitely if he created so many he's chakra would be drained a thousand times faster, but I don't know about his strength. Enlighten me. Anyway, but Naruto is going Kyuubi mode.

Mgslee

Sat, 01-31-2004, 04:15 AM

I just thought of a new idea for shikas new technique

Shadow Stealing no jutsu or whatever

basically he can steal someones shadow and temporarly make it come alive. This way he'll beable to fight off the summons with his own shadow summons. Just a thought... cant wait for more

khaodessy

Sat, 01-31-2004, 04:17 AM

since naruto now knows why oro wants sasuke his chances of loosing just went down. kimi just told him oro just going to kill his best friend and rivial and take over his body. this fight can go either way since for the 1st time naruto used kyubi charka to make clones. i always said fighting naruto was like fighting an army and since each clone is kyubi powered kimi will end up tiring himself out way b4 naruto does. like someone said their numbers play a key, and the last time naruto made an army of clones he was handing gaara his ass. i wonder what kind of rendan he will create this time since since he has his naruto renden and his nindo naruto renden (the one he hit gaara with which looks painful).

one thing i just remembered is that oro now sees naruto as a threat to him. so i wonder how oro would take it if he finds out that it was naruto prolonging them.

Hotsuma

Sat, 01-31-2004, 04:17 AM

Knowing Shika, I'm guessing he'll use mainly, the enviornment, to get maximum results. That's how he won against his other opponents. (Who were girls)

sangai

Sat, 01-31-2004, 04:19 AM

yeah but how is he going to take on all of those summonings

itachi_

Sat, 01-31-2004, 04:20 AM

Did you noticed the transelation by inane in this chapter, the soundgirl-ninja said like "damn homos" i wonder if anbu/aone will do the same ^^

khaodessy

Sat, 01-31-2004, 04:29 AM

ya i think shikamara is going to pist her off to the point that she starts to get sloppy.

pandao

Sat, 01-31-2004, 04:33 AM

i dont think the naruto clones will be as weak as they usually are because kyuubi's chakra is so awesome
(i think) this is the first time he has used kyuubi chakra to do kage bushin and he hasnt done made many clones in a while.
im thinking naruto will have the advantage over kimimaro, until kimimaro uses his bad-ass seal and grows some horns or something and will easily rock naruto's face with his spikes. also sasuke will difiantly interrupt the battle.

i cant see kiba winning on his own, he's not that type of character that wins
http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif. i bet his new technique will be crap by the way he brags about it.

i think shika could win, he's gunna use his new technique and beat tayuya's ass

perhaps maybe kiba, shika, neji and chouji will be sent heap form the leaf?
maybe even shino and his dad, or sakura and ino (not that they could do anthing):]
because if shika and kiba lose (probably) they'll difiantly be killed.

sangai

Sat, 01-31-2004, 04:42 AM

that would be nice to see a appearance by shino and his dad but if that did happen his dad wouldn't go they'd of sent him on a different mission as soon as he got back and maybe jiraiya will show up

PSJ

Sat, 01-31-2004, 04:43 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (itachi_ @ Jan 31 2004, 09:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Haven't you read 140-146 ??
Did you see when kurenai ambushed him and then, *poof* he was ambushed, and the same goes for kakashi, he went super god-like speed at him, and *poof* he was behind him with a kunai, though it was just a clone, but it was fast. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
i think you got me wrong what i meant was that itachi is way faster than both sasuke and lee my mistake for not saying that. but the ambushing of Kurenai doesnt have to do with speed she used genjutsu and he countered it with genjutsu.

khaodessy

Sat, 01-31-2004, 04:48 AM

itachi is just the shit right now end of story.

Arctyc

Sat, 01-31-2004, 05:05 AM

The question that keeps popping up in my mind is; where the heck is Jiraiya? Didn't he say he was going to have a few words with Naruto?

Insomniac

Sat, 01-31-2004, 05:23 AM

if Shikamaru wins this hes stronger then Naruto.

Trip

Sat, 01-31-2004, 05:39 AM

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not really, since he was on his death bed a few chapters ago, and kabuo and oro have been talking about his illness.

What i'd like to see in the Naruto fight, is the naruto clones grouping off and doing different tactics of their own, a few doing ragasen (i.e more than one at a time), and a few summons http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/wink.gif

but i doubt that'll happen anytime soon http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

shika? i think we've yet to see him at his full potential in a 1on1 fight, although this fight will be tough either way.

Kiba? not a chance imo http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_laughbounce2.gif

Uzumaki Naruto

Sat, 01-31-2004, 05:44 AM

woohoo now i get to read chapter 202 good thing i didnt read the post and went to the link http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/laugh.gif

Hakeem_21

Sat, 01-31-2004, 05:46 AM

insomniac: How? Naruto would eat Tatuya in kyubi mode;)

I dont think Naruto will lose but i hope also that kimimaro doesn't lose either cause it would be a waste of a cool villain. Honestly we need other bad guys than the annoying Oro.

If Sasuke wakes up and tries to be the hero,Naruto will get so mad that he might kill Kimimaro or something cause Naruto hates when Sasuke steals his thunder.

I hope that we see rasengan in kybubi mode even if it doesn't finish kimimaro.

Also i would like to see a new move or justu from Naruto that Jiraya learned him or he learned a jutsu on his own.

Uzumaki Naruto

Sat, 01-31-2004, 05:50 AM

holy fukin shit thats alot of nartuo's, now im so juiced up to rad the other chapter but its so far away http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/sad.gif

meta.4 | likwid

Sat, 01-31-2004, 06:43 AM

Wow, anyone wanna play "Where's Naruto?"

makkura

Sat, 01-31-2004, 06:46 AM

yeah, enough about itachi.

man you guys pray to him like he's a god.

i can't imagine what this board will be like when WE ACTUALLY SEE HIM AGAIN http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

sangai

Sat, 01-31-2004, 06:49 AM

probably a lil something like this:

OMG itachi we love you be my god

rleland

Sat, 01-31-2004, 07:18 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (meta.4 | likwid @ Jan 31 2004, 05:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Wow, anyone wanna play "Where's Naruto?" </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

oh and i honestly hope naruto loses, at least temporarely... everoyne has been talking in the series about how strong kimimaro is and "when kimimaro shows up he's finished" and all that =p it would be disappointing if he didn't put up a fight

maybe in the end he'll just die of exhaustion or something (shishio-style http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif ), or something to do with his disease + using too much chakra + using too much strength

who knows =p i at least hope the fight wont follow the standard format (that all the past fights have followed http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/dry.gif )... that would be boring...

somehow the fight between nartuo and kimimaro seems like a typical fight to get inerrupted by someone or something (like shika and kiba calling for help so naruto has to run and save their asses and kimimaro runs away with sasuke)

Elessar

Sat, 01-31-2004, 08:27 AM

More like:

OMFG, Itachi, I want a child from you!

PSJ

Sat, 01-31-2004, 08:36 AM

lol, its obvious that itachi is the strongest ninja introduced so far. and ppl say like, gai can beat him, blah blah and he ran from jiraiya blah blah which he did because he had already used his mange sharingan twice and was weakend. btw i am not a fan of itachi i just realize that he is strong...

Vagabond

Sat, 01-31-2004, 08:40 AM

Meh i would say Jiraiya is probably on the same level as itachi.

Insomniac

Sat, 01-31-2004, 08:41 AM

i foresee a 'win' next chapter followed by an overall loss by all the genins, Sasuke will make it to sound you've gotta recognise that.

DeluxSkillz

Sat, 01-31-2004, 08:52 AM

Naruto will beat Kimmimaro, cuz he said he won't let him take Sasuke and Naruto doesn't go back on his words and if he gets beaten Kyubi will be released so there really is nothing to worry a win hands down for Naruto, Shika will obviously win don't know about Kiba though hope his new technique rips Sakon a new asshole

Nine Tailed Demon

Sat, 01-31-2004, 09:10 AM

Well, it should be interesting.

PSJ

Sat, 01-31-2004, 09:14 AM

nah not on the same level but right below seeing as he is stronger than orochimaru.

Destroyor

Sat, 01-31-2004, 09:15 AM

About the Shadow clones, their chakra are divided evenly but there is nothing mentioning physical body strength being divided evenly. A clone should be able to punch just as hard, jump just as high and run just as fast as the real Naruto.

Another thing, rasengan is already hard to control as it is, is Naruto going to be able to control a rasengan using kyuubi chakra?

makkura

Sat, 01-31-2004, 09:15 AM

i think we'll get to know kimimaro in the next chapter, his background and ambtions.

the title of the next chapter is path of evolution, so he will surely explain how he got all the knowledge of his ancient tribe. its really getting interesting.

Elessar

Sat, 01-31-2004, 09:27 AM

My guess:

we will see something like when Naruto fought Gaara - his strength will be introduced to the other genins.
When Tsunade said to Shikamaru that he should take Naruto with him I think she tould him about the kyuubi, the others don't know yet.

Shikamaru's and Kiba's fight will come to an end very soon - and I think both will survive too.
After that they will - beaten like crap - catch up to Naruto who is draggy fighting with noone having the upper hand. Kimmimaro then will attack his comrades and Naruto will go into "don't attack my precious comrades" mode and we will see another epic battle involving huge summonings and so on. During this Sasuke will break free, see Naruto beating the crap out of Kimmimaro.
Kimmimaro is from a clan that is on par with the Uchiha from a physical standpoint, even more perfect and has a powerful curse seal. But Gamabunta will be Naruto's trump card.
Kimmimaro near dead and Naruto beaten like against gaara. After that Sasuke will go to the sound all by himself seeking power taking Kimmimaro with him. The others too beaten to be able to do sth against it.

So the genins will have won the fight against the sound but lost Sasuke. I don't see Sasuke believing Naruto that Oro just wants to possess his body.

And to the rooftop thing: we have seen Naruto making the rasengan without his clones in 200 against sakon. And what about all this Shika will control Tayuuya's summonings? Shika is not Ino. He will probably Shadow Neck Bind and kill her, after what the summonings will disappear.

Kiba-kun

Sat, 01-31-2004, 09:35 AM

Well, everyone is talking about how kiba has no chance against Sakon, but I strongly believe that he has the best chance since he's with someone precious to him (Akamaru) and the true strengh comes when protecting a friend/comrade, someone really close to you.. blabla that's what this show is all about

_Sasuke_

Sat, 01-31-2004, 09:36 AM

Well this chapter was pretty ok, nice thoughts from shiki =)

About the fights.......sorry I would like all the gennins to win their fights, but it seems a bit too illogical for me.....
cause out of the gennins, except for Naruto that is, Neji is by far the strongest and he really had a tough time with Kidoumarou and kido wasnt even the strongest yet, how on earth should Kiba win from Sakon the strongest? mayb with a soldier pill but still......
And for Shiki.....he'll win cause Shiki is cool, hehehe nevertheless I think he'll reveal some secret personality from that girl(forgot her name) he'll just outsmart her.
About naruto, I like the little fellow very much, but I don't think he would win from Kimmimaro. About the way I saw kimmiaro talk to the sound-girl, he should be able to kill one of the sound without real efforts. So his skills should be far above of them.....and the gennins still have a tough time with the sound-4 so, kimmimaro is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay above the gennins and to flash back, Naruto just barly won from Neji, but Naruto did improve and learned rasengan. But I still think Kimmimaro would win from Naruto, that would be better for the story, Sasuke will go to the sound, as much as I hate it =(

Hatake Kakashi

Sat, 01-31-2004, 09:37 AM

Yeah Kiba seems to have the toughest opponent. I was always hoping Neji would end up fighting Sakon for this very reason...

As for Naruto vs Kimimaro. There really is a 50-50 chance of either one winning. Perhaps next chapter Kimimaro will immediatelly activate the Gaia seal on his chest and go Level 2. Then we will have an idea about what kind of power that thing has.

PSJ

Sat, 01-31-2004, 09:43 AM

good chapter set things up for the coming chapters i like those chapters http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif i hope the nauto - kimimaro fight will be awesome. last time we got an awesome fight was when chouji fought jirubou, the reason why i think like that is because chouji always appears like a bum that cant do anything and then he beats the crap about the strongest(powerwise) of the sound four. he almost dies doing it but he did it.

Hatake Kakashi

Sat, 01-31-2004, 09:49 AM

I just looked at that last page again and thought how much of a pain in the ass it must have been for Kishimoto to draw all of those Naruto's. On top of that he had to draw the rest of the pages.

I suppose he could have had assistants do some of the Naruto's, but still..

If I was Naruto I would have started out by summoning a Frog, but he can't control how much he puts out now, so he would probably get Gamabunta. A medium size frog, like the one Jiraiya used in the hallway against Itachi could probably provide some good support. Once Gamakichi and his brother get to be that size, I think they will make some hilarious guest appearances.

AlbinoFury

Sat, 01-31-2004, 10:09 AM

maybe all the clones will summon frogs, itll be a frog army and a naruto army vs kimi, itd be game ova.

and as for this being the best fight since chouji, i disagree the chouji fight was cool, but maybe im biased in saying the neji fight was the best one the series had since gaara vs naruto, as far as a pure 1v1 at least. the stuff with the legendary 3 was nuts and cool, but those werent 1v1.

Xceleration

Sat, 01-31-2004, 10:21 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya @ Jan 31 2004, 08:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> nah not on the same level but right below seeing as he is stronger than orochimaru. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I think they are pretty much tied for power, because orochimarus fighting style is all about jutsus. In Oros opinion, the more jutsus a ninja has, the stronger he is. That's why Itachi will just copy all his jutsus and beat him. Jiraiya on the other hand doesn't rely on all jutsus, so he has prob a better chance of beating itachi then oro does. We could just wait till the manga shows us who's stronger in an actual battle, but that'll be too long to wait. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/sad.gif

OniChi

Sat, 01-31-2004, 10:21 AM

Oh man that was an intense chapter http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_w00t1.gif. AH i can't wait a week until the next chapter comes out. Hmmm i wonder what kind of Bloodline kimimaro has. Maybe something like Sharingan and Byuuaken joined together??? Sharingan+Byuuaken= One strong bloodline http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_dribble.gif

Elessar

Sat, 01-31-2004, 10:30 AM

Kimimaro has no bloodline at all.
Oro or Kabuto talks about that. That Sasuke has a body as fitting as Kimimaro, an equal strong curse seal and on top of that a bloodline ability.

Insomniac

Sat, 01-31-2004, 10:33 AM

Orochimaru has a whole village of people under his control and infinate potential as he can keep swapping bodies, in my opinion that makes him far stronger then Itachi even without fighting him.
for those that say 'oh Itachi can just get Atasuki to help him' Atasuki are all volunteers, they dont have to help out people in the organisation in their own affairs

Hatake Kakashi

Sat, 01-31-2004, 10:40 AM

Sangai Sasuke and Elessar, your posts made me laugh so hard about Itachi. You guys are right, there are too many Itachi worshipping people here.

Here is what I hope is going to happen with the while Kimimaro-Naruto fight.

Naruto's Bunshins rush at Kimimaro, but he is going to pull a combination of Zabuza's counters (brute force) and Taijutsu like Sasuke's.

Naruto will decide that one on one is his best chance for victory. He charges up a Rasengan at Kimimaro, but Kimi counters it with his sword palm technique and pierces Naruto through the shoulder.

Kimimaro asks Naruto why he cares so much about Sasuke.

Naruto starts explaining how Sasuke is rival, but also his friend. He says that he knows Sasuke thinks he's doing the right thing, trying to avenge his clan, but right now he is only dishonoring them, and will eventually shed cold blood in there names. That is something the Uchiha Clan wouldn't want.

Inside the barrel Sasuke can hear what Naruto says and awakens from his death state without the assistance of Orochimaru. He does this not through evil methods, but by the power of friendship. He pops out of the barrel and stands behind Kimimaro.

He stares down Kimimaro with a fully developed Sharingan (3 in each eye), while the enraged Naruto's wound heals very quickly thanks to the Kyubi.

Don't jump all over me about that not advancing the story and stuff. I don't give a shit. Right now I believe there is a 50-50 chance of Sasuke going to Sound.

THAT is what I wish would happen. Although not as fast and with cool pictures and good dialogue.

Insomniac

Sat, 01-31-2004, 10:43 AM

for Sasuke to take Naruto in friendship over Itachi in hatred is a huge leap.
it changes the way Sasukes character is completey and personally i dont think he cares if Naruto lives or dies as long as he gets to kill Itachi.

if Sasuke had the choice of killing Naruto to kill Itachi he would.

Insomniac

Sat, 01-31-2004, 10:44 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Yeah Kiba seems to have the toughest opponent.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Did you guys completely miss Tayuya summon 3 huge monsters?
how the hell can Shikamaru beat that, even if he neck binds her the monsters will hit him and stop the jutsu

Hatake Kakashi

Sat, 01-31-2004, 10:45 AM

Naruto would talk him out of it. Sasuke is about to walk the same path as Shinomori Aoshi did in Rurouni Kenshin.

In Kenshin, Aoshi wishes to avenge his Oniwbanshu friends, by attainting the title of the strongest warrior in Japan. He turned to evil and it took Kenshin to bring him back. Kenshin told him that he was not honoring his clan, he was shedding blood in there name. I think a similar situation will happen in Naruto with Sasuke and Naruto.

As Neji said, Naruto has the power to bring people back from the darkness.

makkura

Sat, 01-31-2004, 10:47 AM

i'm sure he'll manage somehow, he always does http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif

Insomniac

Sat, 01-31-2004, 10:56 AM

you can say that about everyone in the team though lol, cant always put it down to - 'they're the good guy so they'll win' theory

we know that Tayuya and Sakon are the strongest of the 4 so the next two battles are going to be good, as for Shikamaru breaking Tayuyas neck - it wont happen, Shikamaru just isnt the killing type.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>That Sasuke has a body as fitting as Kimimaro</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

although Orochimaru would have gladly been in Kimimaros body before Sasukes, it was only after Kimimaro fell sick that Orochimaru went looking

Sasukes is ideal because of the sharigan - can copy jutsus easily

makkura

Sat, 01-31-2004, 11:01 AM

one thing doesn't make sense, if oro was looking for a new body, why did he ordered kabuto to kill sasuke while he was in the hospital ?

Hotsuma

Sat, 01-31-2004, 11:05 AM

The fight in the library in the RK anime was superbly drawn, btw. Great style. Too bad it was all talking, and barely any fighting.

Aoshi > Sasuke.

And, I don't think Sasuke will become good. There's so much freaking hype behind this lvl 2 seal and his seaking Oro's power, that if he does, by chance, become good (again), fans will feel completely ripped off. I don't know about any of you, but I did not just read 20 plus chapters of this sound crap, just so everything can turn out ok through some damn pep talk.

iraki

Sat, 01-31-2004, 11:07 AM

Isn't it obvious how Skikamaru will win his fight?

That's why I did not mention his upcoming fight.

Anyway, those 3 summons seems to be more of the "BIG AND POWERFUL,BUT SLOW KIND OF SUMMONS". There is always those kind of people/monsters etc.

When they make them big, they are usually physically slow or just slowminded.
If that is the case, then Shikimaru wont have a hard time binding them with his Shadow Jutsu, and somehow make them fight eachother or fighting Tatyua? (don't remember her name).

I have yet no idea of how powerful she herself is in Level 2, so that would be very nice to see.

There are also one more thing to consider, that is how long Shikimaru will have the "will" or strenght to carry on the fight. I just don't see him fighting for a very long time against Level 2 Tatyua?

Hatake Kakashi

Sat, 01-31-2004, 11:08 AM

Maybe the Konoha reinforcements could show up, and all of them will decide that they should just push on towards the Sound Country and invade them.

Their numbers are a lot smaller than Konha. I bet they only have 150 people in Sound Country at the most.

All of them so far besides The Sound 5, Oro, and Kabuto have proven to be subpar. Even the original Sound Trio wasn't that impressive.

Insomniac

Sat, 01-31-2004, 11:21 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>one thing doesn't make sense, if oro was looking for a new body, why did he ordered kabuto to kill sasuke while he was in the hospital ?
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baka!
Kabuto never attempted to kill Sasuke, Oro suggested that if he wanted to stop him he'd have to kill Sasuke - as a joke.
Kabuto took out his knife and then threw it at Kakashi, never planned to kill Sasuke.

as for Tayuya, i cant see Shikamaru actually winning - he might end up giving up or getting them both into a situation where they cant go to help Kimimaro or Naruto

[\/]etrite

Sat, 01-31-2004, 11:21 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (makkura @ Jan 31 2004, 10:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> one thing doesn't make sense, if oro was looking for a new body, why did he ordered kabuto to kill sasuke while he was in the hospital ? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
He didn't order Kabuto to kill Sasuke, it was something like "You are about as powerfull as Kakashi, but still not strong enough to beat me. If you want to stop me you have to kill Sasuke."
I can't totally remember those lines since it's a while ago, but I'm confident that Kabuto wasn't ordered to kill Sasuke.

-edit. *points at the post above this one*

Raven

Sat, 01-31-2004, 11:22 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hatake Kakashi @ Jan 31 2004, 08:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I just looked at that last page again and thought how much of a pain in the ass it must have been for Kishimoto to draw all of those Naruto's. On top of that he had to draw the rest of the pages.

I suppose he could have had assistants do some of the Naruto's, but still.. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Yeah I noticed that too.... and to top it all off the page presents the illusion that they're all doing something different as well! I'm sure there would be repeats, but still, it's insane.

I'm sure he'd have some assistants but it would get so repetitive. Poor guy..... I hope he doesn't get discouraged... sif.

Mut

Sat, 01-31-2004, 11:43 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dazzz @ Jan 31 2004, 01:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> sasuke ain't coming back with naruto. that's for sure. DON'T ARGUE THIS http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mad.gif </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
just in case people didn't realize it...

Vagabond

Sat, 01-31-2004, 11:52 AM

Well your sig says that you are never wrong so I guess i've got to believe you. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/laugh.gif

I still think tsunade's helper person (can't remember her name) and her team are gonna come to save the day.

makkura

Sat, 01-31-2004, 11:58 AM

oops http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif

my bad, sorry, its been a while since i read that chapter.

Mut

Sat, 01-31-2004, 12:01 PM

shizune?

ok, i'll be more serious. this is why i think sasuke won't be coming back, at least not on this rescue mission.

there has been way too much story development and build-up for sasuke to leave leaf and go with to the sound. as soon as orochimaru was introduced, i believe that it was the first step in the process of sasuke leaving the leaf. as orochimaru said, "he will seek me" blah blah and if sasuke doesn't seek him for more power to get stronger in order to kill his brother, then orochimaru will look like an idiot. also, if sasuke does go back with the leaf on this particular rescue mission, then all of the development and build-up will just go to waste. it is as if all of that might as well not have happened at all. sauske has to go with the sound and perhaps, return later back to the lead once he has accomplished his goal.

THE END. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif

EDIT #1: also, i don't think anyone else will come and "save the day." and even if they do, i think kimimaro will wipe the floor with everyone. so outside help for shika's team is pointless.

EDIT #2: btw, can i get a cool title? "genin" is too weak for me. i'd appreciate it if it is changed to "SHINOBI" (all in caps). THANKS IN ADVANCE. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/wink.gif

Vagabond

Sat, 01-31-2004, 12:10 PM

Nah i was just joking i personally think he wont come back either. Oh and about the Shizune thing I don't think she'll save Naruto from Kimimaro but I think she will come after and heal everyone so no one dies. I didn't mean she was gonna bring back sasuke. Sry if i didn't make that clear.

Edit: dazz at 500 post you get the title chunnin and at 1000 jounin etc.

Hatake Kakashi

Sat, 01-31-2004, 12:27 PM

If Sasuke goes back it won't be pointless. He may realize that he is becoming his brother in order to beat him.

This is the obvious thing to do. Hell all of you guys have been asking if he is going to get trained by Orochimaru ever since that damn Triad Team 7 Picture came out. Sure Naruto was on a frog and now he can summon frogs and get trained by Jiraiya. That doesn't mean Sasuke is going to do the same thing.

Look at it this way, if Naruto and the group fail, everything has been in vain for the past 20 chapters. Screw the stupid predictable plot of Sasuke going with Orochimaru. Sasuke is better off studying under Kakashi...speaking of Kakashi, I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up with backup.

Vicious

Sat, 01-31-2004, 12:41 PM

it would be funny if Sasuke used the four nins all along to get stronger by upgrading to lvl 2 and stiffing them in the end. but i doubt that will happen.

my predictions.

Kimimaro smacks all the naruto clones, and right when its goin to be Kimimaro and Naruto one on one. Sasuke is gonna wake up. as to what will happen after i have no idea.

maybe a triple threat? (i wish) but either way i know (and hope) the out come will be naruto loosing the battle.

in my opinion he must loose the battle.

Cloud 9

Sat, 01-31-2004, 12:49 PM

I want Sasuke to die. It'd be interesting. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/unsure.gif

Mut

Sat, 01-31-2004, 12:58 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hatake Kakashi @ Jan 31 2004, 11:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If Sasuke goes back it won't be pointless. He may realize that he is becoming his brother in order to beat him.

This is the obvious thing to do. Hell all of you guys have been asking if he is going to get trained by Orochimaru ever since that damn Triad Team 7 Picture came out. Sure Naruto was on a frog and now he can summon frogs and get trained by Jiraiya. That doesn't mean Sasuke is going to do the same thing.

Look at it this way, if Naruto and the group fail, everything has been in vain for the past 20 chapters. Screw the stupid predictable plot of Sasuke going with Orochimaru. Sasuke is better off studying under Kakashi...speaking of Kakashi, I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up with backup. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
of course it would be waste. if itachi isn't killed by none other than sasuke, then the whole significance of the 2nd main character is totally destroyed. sasuke is in the story to be part of group 7, be naruto's friend and his rival, but most importantly, he is in the story so he can kill itachi. and the best way to do that is leave the leaf and go to sound to seek orochimaru for more power.

and it's uber predictable cuz... it's GOING TO HAPPEN.

TwisT

Sat, 01-31-2004, 01:11 PM

Did not shikamaru learn a new skill?? If i remember right Shikas father teached a new skill to Shika am i wrong?? And Kiba also did say that he would beat the sound with his new move before the left.. And Naruto also said that. Naruto obvius meant Rasengan but that should mean that Kiba and Shikamaru has a "ace up there sleev" (is that how it is spelled?)

Everybody had something new exept Neji that already was so powerful.. I mean he almost beat Naruto in Kyubi mode and Naruto with his Rasengan was powerful enough.. The others was to weak so the have got new skills and tools.. So i wonder what Kiba & Shikamaru will pull out.. Because i dont think there will be anything for later so this is there last fight in "Get back Sasuke" chapter.. So now is the time to show it all..

Spydek

Sat, 01-31-2004, 01:32 PM

Thx for the link Naruto-kun

Hatake Kakashi

Sat, 01-31-2004, 01:38 PM

Shika probably knows his fathers Shadow Neck Bind technique know. Who knows what else Shikato could have taught him.

As for Kiba, I think he might have a summonin scroll somewhere up his sleeve. Either that or a really good new claw or fang move.

Oh and it is apparent that Sakon and Ukon (his conjoined twin) share the save vital organs (except for the brain). If Kiba takes out the heart it kills both of them.

Legendary Nin

Sat, 01-31-2004, 01:40 PM

Kiba is in a mess,I wonder how he is going to beat Sakon.But I believe he has a few new moves that he still needs to incorporate into this fight.
I like the kyuubi Naruto,its almost as stimulating as an Itachi fight.I hope he uses some good tactics,and if he does win,I hope kyuubi has enough control over Naruto to get him to rip Kimmi to shreds.

XwingRob

Sat, 01-31-2004, 01:41 PM

Wow, the last page was just frickin sweet.
Anyways Naruto is probaly gonna do the old "distract the enemy while forming the rasengan" trick.
But I don't think Kimmario will be defeated that easily. I predict a long fight ahead...

Jiraiy4

Sat, 01-31-2004, 01:49 PM

I think Kiba will lose, cuz I doubt Kishimoto is bias and will make all 4 konoha ninjas to win. Naruto will beat Kimimaro's ass, then hes gonna go level 2 and beat Naruto's ass, and then Naruto's gonna win. Shika's prolly gonna win...its funny how hes fighting another girl.

Mgslee

Sat, 01-31-2004, 01:50 PM

I have a funnier tactic Naruto could use

Distract Kimimaro long enough to get to the barrel, at that point turn half the clones in to barrels and then run....

wtf would kimimaro do then?!? http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_laughbounce2.gif

But in all seriousness... Naruto is probably hella powered up... He hasnt gone "berserk/rage/kyuubi" in a long time... and hes also in control ... crazy stuff hes gonna do... maybe have each clone make a ransegan ball http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_dribble.gif

Arctyc

Sun, 02-01-2004, 02:00 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Destroyor @ Feb 1 2004, 12:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> About Konoha backup, at most it will be one small team, that's it. Didn't any of you remember what Tsunade said when she order Shikamaru to retrieve Sasuke? There are no ninja to spare and Konoha is severly short-handed. What's this foolishness about invasion on the Sound Country? Konoha doesn't even have enough men to provide a secure small village, let alone another extra country. Tsunade did not even realize how tough it's going to be for Shikamaru and his genin team just going after Sasuke, so logically it is unlikely for her to "waste" valuable men-power to back Shikamaru up. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Genma, Shizune, Raidou, & Iwashi will be returning to report what has happened soon to Tsunade or whomever may be handling administrative matters (Jiraiya?) while she's busy with the surgery. Given the amount of time elapsed since the discovery of the defeated Chuunin/Juunin and the various Sound-nin battles, they may already be back.

Discovering that there are four Ninja carrying a highly suspicious barrel all with Level 2 Curse Seals would likely trigger the initiation of an A-class or S-class mission, perhaps even warranting the recall of some of their troops. Especially if they put 2 and 2 together.

It's all a race against time, really. What it will be a race against if/when Sasuke's acclimation completes, well, that's less clear. Kishimoto still has some aces up his sleeve, and I'm happy for it. It's been awhile since I've seen a series go this long while keeping up a great storyline like this.

snowball

Sun, 02-01-2004, 02:12 AM

the summons are going to make a interesting fight to say the least http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif

Death BOO Z

Sun, 02-01-2004, 02:47 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (itachi_ @ Feb 1 2004, 04:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Itachi Uchiha is godlike, FACT, non can beat mange-sharingan, maybe if they find a hidden scroll from ancient times that describe how to counter it ^^. I see itachi most like a genjutsu user, it's impossible to beat him in genjutsu (illusionary) and his speed is like Hiko's speed in RK, (just to compare with other anime) </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
well, let me shatter some of your illusions...

Gai found a way to counter the mange sharinga, it might not be perfect, but i doubt that Gai would engage a fight with such a disadvange willingly.

Itachi doesn't neccisrly know Genjutsu well, his counter skills might come from the sharingan's ability to see through all illusions...

and about the speed... let's not go overboard, Hiko and Itachi are on two diffrenet levels. Hiko was an ultra powerfull being that had no direct plot connection (he didn't do anyhthing serious- beating Fuji doesn't really count), while Itachi concernes about 30% of the plotline, kishimonto can't afford to make him godlike... beside, i belive that Gai is faster than Itachi, and since Itachi doesn't want to ruin his reputation, he retreated.

Itachi's fanboys,,, they're even worse than Naruto's fanboys...

about the summonings,,, i don't understand why tatuya had to pull out such an ace on a small fry like Shikamaru, she can easily beat him without even using half of her power, Shikamaru is in a serious bind right now and he knows it, unless his new move is a 'flame of recca' sort of thing that can magically beat 3 giant monsters without making any sense.

oh, and i feel that Kiba's end is coming near, i can't see him (being a totally avarge type of guy) beating the strongest of the sound four (and the second strongest of the sound five), besides, someone has to die in this mission, and kishimonto should really cut down the amount of charectres in the manga, it'll turn out like WOL, where we have a book that only 4 chapters are about the main characters, and the rest are about people we don't care for...

Destroyor

Sun, 02-01-2004, 02:59 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hatake Kakashi @ Feb 1 2004, 03:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Posted: Jan 31 2004, 12:03 AM
Destoyor, the Chakra for Kage Bunshins is divided up equally. They don't have the same strength. Go read the manga, you obviously haven't done so already.

Posted: Feb 1 2004, 03:13 AM*
Destroyor, we all read the manga and know what Tsunade said about having troops out and stuff.
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wow

edit: instead of ___ now edited wow

Hatake Kakashi

Sun, 02-01-2004, 03:14 AM

Destroyor, we all read the manga and know what Tsunade said about having troops out and stuff.

I am thinking that might just be a smokescreen for some operations that are going on in and around Sound Country.

Maybe they are out seeking intellegence before they launch a counter-attack.

Remember, the Sand signed a treaty with the leaf, the Sound is still an enemy.

I have a feeling that the Sand might even assist Konoha, since Orochimaru killed the Kazekage and manipulated the entire country.

Stoopider

Sun, 02-01-2004, 03:21 AM

What the heck did Tayuya summoned? Looks like Ogre's.

Wonder how Shika's going to counter that. Probably run and hide around for a while.

Kiba-kun

Sun, 02-01-2004, 03:27 AM

If Kiba dies in this mission... I will sure join that hateSasuke fanclub >_<

SDShamshel

Sun, 02-01-2004, 03:27 AM

I'm waiting for Gaara to appear, wearing shades.

Then he'll take off the shades and, with no rings around his eyes, say, "Damn, I just got my first night's rest ever! Man, I don't know why I was always so pissed!"

Legendary Nin

Sun, 02-01-2004, 03:36 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Death BOO Z @ Feb 1 2004, 02:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> since Itachi doesn't want to ruin his reputation, he retreated.

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Its not because of reputation,its because of logic.Obviously if he stayed,more back up would come,meaning that they would cause commontion and be outnumbered.Which means they would risk exposing all of there missions plans.Remember before when they were talking about how the secret of the mission was more important than life itself.Just look at that one guys head with all the scars and drill marks from torture.

Mut

Sun, 02-01-2004, 03:46 AM

you're all idiots. itachi didn't run away, retreat, pussy out, etc., cuz he was scared, afraid, out skilled, or out numbered.

read Legendary Nin's post.

yeah, i'm a Itachi fan, but i'm not sucking his dick when i say that he's the strongest so far and retreating is unnecessary for him. i'm just stating the facts. itachi can whoop anyone's ass, including: orochimaru (yeah, he has immortality jutsu, but big deal, he can't use it if he's killed), jiraiya, tsunade, and even KYUBI NARUTO. wow, i hate everyone. people just don't get it.

Destroyor

Sun, 02-01-2004, 04:01 AM

I really think there should be a IS ITACHI A GOD? post pinned to the top. People should really just go for it once and for all and be done with it.

Man I'm bored ...

and annoyed ...

and hungry ...

Ok I should get my ass away from the computer and cook ... damn it where's my ramen? NO! No meat in fridge ... argh!!! http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_jumpon.gif

ok now I'm piss ...

Mut

Sun, 02-01-2004, 04:15 AM

gaara sucks, i hope he never shows his ugly face again.

_Sasuke_

Sun, 02-01-2004, 04:16 AM

there are some things I dont get actually, ok here's the thing.
It's been said that Kakashi, Sasuke, Neji and Itachi are geniuses(well mayb Itachi wasnt, but it sure looks like http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif)
Anywayz Sasuke is suppose to be more talented than Itachi, but he isn't nearly as strong as Itachi was in his age back then, so whats the deal here? could it be the way they got trained?
And about Kakashi, he got to chuunin at the age of 6 man, when did he stop getting better? cause he should be alot more powerfull by now then right? :s

Death BOO Z

Sun, 02-01-2004, 04:40 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (_Sasuke_ @ Feb 1 2004, 03:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> there are some things I dont get actually, ok here's the thing.
It's been said that Kakashi, Sasuke, Neji and Itachi are geniuses(well mayb Itachi wasnt, but it sure looks like http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif)
Anywayz Sasuke is suppose to be more talented than Itachi, but he isn't nearly as strong as Itachi was in his age back then, so whats the deal here? could it be the way they got trained?
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the only person who said Sasuke had more potential than Itachi was Orochimaru, and we all know he isn't always telling the truth when it concerns Sasuke...

Itachi and Kakashi are obvious genisus, they both got to the chunin rank while others in thier age were still in the academy. Neji is also a genious, seeing how he mastered the hakke 64 and the kaiten spin...

Sasuke is just the talented guy of the class, but nowhere close to the genious Sakura and Ino make out of him.

About my latest Itachi comments: i didn't say he isn't strong, i just wanted to state that even he isn't able to walk into the leaf village and kill everyone without sweating, which some of the forum members seem to believe he can. and about the speed comment, i wrote 'I believe' at the begining of that sentence, it's just a speculation...

moridin

Sun, 02-01-2004, 05:17 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>yeah, i'm a Itachi fan, but i'm not sucking his dick when i say that he's the strongest so far and retreating is unnecessary for him. i'm just stating the facts. itachi can whoop anyone's ass, including: orochimaru (yeah, he has immortality jutsu, but big deal, he can't use it if he's killed), jiraiya, tsunade, and even KYUBI NARUTO. wow, i hate everyone. people just don't get it.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Interesting "facts" there, dazzz. Itachi is strong, admittedly, but to be able to beat Orochimaru, Tsunade, and Jiraiya is saying a lot isn't it? Kyuubi Naruto still isn't as strong as the legendary three yet, obviously, I think.

Question: I always thought Kenshin was faster than Hiko...just Hiko was so much physically stronger and extremely fast in his own right, as well as trained in the Hiten Mitsurigi Style for most of his life rather than getting involved in a war and having his training scattered throughout his life. Wasn't that why he was so amazing? His muscle mass and speed coupled caused him to be more dangerous than Kenshin...

Back to Naruto... http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

a_nevels666

Sun, 02-01-2004, 05:22 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Gai found a way to counter the mange sharinga, it might not be perfect, but i doubt that Gai would engage a fight with such a disadvange willingly.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

I think he would because I think he's a lot like Lee, i.e. he feels he has to prove himself.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>about the summonings,,, i don't understand why tatuya had to pull out such an ace on a small fry like Shikamaru, she can easily beat him without even using half of her power, Shikamaru is in a serious bind right now and he knows it, unless his new move is a 'flame of recca' sort of thing that can magically beat 3 giant monsters without making any sense.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Chouji's pill was something that came out of nowhere and made no sense so it's not impossible for any of the other Genin to win either.

Also, I'm thinking Shikamaru will use his shadow to control one or more of the summoned monsters to hit each other and/or Tayuya.

itachi_

Sun, 02-01-2004, 05:43 AM

Hatake Kakashi, good theory... about what's going to happen in the next chapters.
Itachi Uchiha is godlike, FACT, non can beat mange-sharingan, maybe if they find a hidden scroll from ancient times that describe how to counter it ^^. I see itachi most like a genjutsu user, it's impossible to beat him in genjutsu (illusionary) and his speed is like Hiko's speed in RK, (just to compare with other anime)

AlbinoFury

Sun, 02-01-2004, 05:43 AM

im agreeing with this guy ^^^ up above bout shika, seems pretty obvious.

Mut

Sun, 02-01-2004, 05:51 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (moridin @ Feb 1 2004, 04:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Interesting "facts" there, dazzz. Itachi is strong, admittedly, but to be able to beat Orochimaru, Tsunade, and Jiraiya is saying a lot isn't it? Kyuubi Naruto still isn't as strong as the legendary three yet, obviously, I think. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
i meant itachi can beat any one of them, not all of them at once.

and yes, they are interesting facts.

moridin

Sun, 02-01-2004, 06:11 AM

I know you meant individually...which is why I listed them individually and did not add "together." Where in the manga does it say he can beat them one on one? If you can present the evidence, I will stop arguing.

Hatake Kakashi

Sun, 02-01-2004, 06:18 AM

I think I know what Tayuya summoned... I think they are Golems. Or something like them. I have heard of something called a Golem's Flute that is used to control them, so I can kind of put two and two together. Golem's are Rock Giants and appear in various Role Play Games.

jing

Sun, 02-01-2004, 06:21 AM

Future Neji ownz Itachi.
mange-sharingan or not, neji will see through it and not focus on his eyes.
64 hakke itachi. n its over...
SINCE WERE ALL OFF TOPIC HERE:
btw i think kakashi should have done kage bunshin 100x, to scare away the attackers of the sand and sound currently in the anime.

Legendary Nin

Sun, 02-01-2004, 07:04 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hatake Kakashi @ Feb 1 2004, 06:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I think I know what Tayuya summoned... I think they are Golems. Or something like them. I have heard of something called a Golem's Flute that is used to control them, so I can kind of put two and two together. Golem's are Rock Giants and appear in various Role Play Games. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
*cough* Dragon Warrior.Anyone remember that game? It had a flute which you needed to control a golem that blocked the village.

IIRyCeDoWtCivIcII

Sun, 02-01-2004, 07:25 AM

this was a nice chapter, that last page made me so hype.. all those narutos..i pretty sure kimimaro gonna mop the floor with them but i think thats all part of naruto's strategy, like he did on neji, he made all those clones for distraction..maybe i don't know.. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif

Hatake Kakashi

Sun, 02-01-2004, 07:32 AM

Yes and as you know, Kishimoto is a HUGE Dragon Warrior fan.

In one of the earlier volumes he tells the story about how his dad would never let him get a Super Famicom to play the latest Dragon Warrior game. So he saved up and got one from his friend for ultra cheap. His dad came home and saw the game and grabbed the controller himself and the three of them (with Kishimoto's younger brother) played the game all night.

Kishimoto recently got a call from his dad, telling him that he just beat Dragon Warrior VIII (or maybe it was VII, I forget).

sangai

Sun, 02-01-2004, 07:44 AM

but there not golems there like ogres i always thought that golems where rock people

but if you look in the case of golem or smeagle from lord of the rings he lived in the mountains and because of that he became golem

so maybe your right about her summoning being golems

Uberbaka

Sun, 02-01-2004, 07:54 AM

Dictionary definition of a golem

Based on jewish folk lore:
1:an artificially created human being that is given life by supernatural means 2: a mechanism that can move automatically

Hatake Kakashi

Sun, 02-01-2004, 08:04 AM

good researching skill there.

Oh and sangai, the dude in Lord of the Rings is called Gollum. He gets that from the noise he makes when he is coughing.

Back to Naruto 202...

I think Tayuya will play some melodies on her floot and have the three attack Shikamaru. Shika is a lot of things, but he isn't a fighter, he is best as a support unit backing someone like Naruto, Choji, or Neji. He is going to have a tough time since it is 4 on 1, but I think he is smarter than Tayuya so he should be alright.

Uzumaki Kakashi

Sun, 02-01-2004, 08:08 AM

i hope shikamaru amkes some totally amazing strategy to take tayuya on

he is pretty cool character

Insomniac

Sun, 02-01-2004, 08:18 AM

for all those that say that Sasuke will never beat Itachi

1. Sasuke has more potential then Itachi, this has been said a few times in the series by Orochimaru.

2. Itachis only reason for being a character is a goal for Sasuke - he will die eventually.

3. Itachi isnt 'god like', we've only seen him beat on some jounins that Kabuto could have done, i'm still waiting for him to impress me.

no matter how strong you think Itachi is theres one thing that makes Orochimaru better, the fact that he has infinate potential and can never die of old age - Orochimaru can swap bodies until he finally comes accross one far stronger then Itachi.

Raven

Sun, 02-01-2004, 08:34 AM

He's already outsmarted her once (in 201) so he'll do it again, he won't lose.

Uzumaki Kakashi

Sun, 02-01-2004, 08:44 AM

yeah i forgot about that

he will think of something briallnt. he does in fact think a hundred moves ahead. like against temari.

Arctyc

Sun, 02-01-2004, 10:04 AM

Given the trend that Kishimoto has started with these battles, I'm not certain how Shika's battle is going to go. He seems to have tried to display how the characters are learning and growing even up to now -- by having Chouji, the ever-cowardly back-liner stand up even in the face of death; and having Neji, the destiny-obsessed guy with a superiority complex, admit to and even use his weaknesses in battle. This makes me think that for Kiba's battle, he may have to rely on a deceptive measure to win, and Shikamaru... heck, he might have to learn to go on gut instinct.

makkura

Sun, 02-01-2004, 10:43 AM

i am so tired of all this itachi talking/praising, go make a thread about him if you want.

can we get back on subject ?

for instance, no one has talked about Tayuya's summon, for once in the series, we see a summoning that isn't animal/insect.

and they seem to be blind, so i'm guessing that Tayuya will control them by sound with her flute, the one in the middle has a HUGE club, the third one has wolverine type claws and the first one doesn't seem to have arms at all.

this will be an interesting fight.

makkura

Sun, 02-01-2004, 11:00 AM

i hope that kiba will take his precaution this time and wear a breathing mask http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Mut

Sun, 02-01-2004, 11:49 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (moridin @ Feb 1 2004, 05:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I know you meant individually...which is why I listed them individually and did not add "together." Where in the manga does it say he can beat them one on one? If you can present the evidence, I will stop arguing. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
do i really need to back up what i said?

orochimaru: itachi is stronger than i am

and

orochimaru is just as strong as the other sannins. neither one of them is stronger than the other cuz they're suppose to be like rock, paper, scissors.

the end.

EDIT: i'm not saying that itachi can beat them without a sweat, but all i'm saying is itachi will win in a fight against a sannin. anyway, i still don't understand how anyone can think that another character is stronger than itachi. it just baffles me.

kaigan

Sun, 02-01-2004, 12:09 PM

naruto can in the future. why are you surprised that itachi would loose to someone. the show is not name ITACHI. eventhough itachi is strong, he will get own later in the series. probably get beaten like a rag doll.

moridin

Sun, 02-01-2004, 12:10 PM

In a fight, its not a simple "I am stronger, I win" thing. Consider Shikamaru vs. Temari...or consider a fight between Naruto and Kidoumaru...Naruto beat Neji so according to your logic, he should also be able to beat Kidoumaru. However, as was shown in the manga, Neji was the ONLY one capable of beating Kidoumaru...because of his Byakugan.

I can't believe you don't even consider the chance that another ninja could be stronger than Itachi.

Rock Lee

Sun, 02-01-2004, 12:18 PM

I don't believe its a gollum, main reason being Oro named it by name calling him the most violent or whatever. Golem's in general are contructs made from various substances the reference as some here said before was the gollum of jewish myth made from sand, it drove away soldiers from the ghetto were the jews were forced to live at the time. Later on when the stop giving the golem commands it flips and starts to destroy things. Besides the other guy doesn't seem to need commands he does things on his own. Hes had that second head on him for some time im guessing its some kinda conjoined twin no jutsu or something..... Btw his father had beaten DW7, the reason i know because im waiting on dw 8 which isn't out yet.... sadly..... For those of you know don't know the art director for those games is Akira Toriyama and DW is also the first NES rpg, even older than ff1. That it for my contribution of random bits of information.

*edit* Something for all you Itachi fans, i found out the other day that apparnetly "Itachi" is jap slang for lesbian.... It means a butch woman by definition.

Mut

Sun, 02-01-2004, 12:26 PM

ok, i'm not even gonna argue this anymore after this post. as stubborn as this sounds, i know that itachi can't be beaten by anyone as of this moment.

kaigan: yeah, no shit naruto will be the strongest in the end and no one is talking about naruto beating itachi later on cuz he won't. sauske will...god...

moridin: it's all about techniques. you're trying to compare naruto's crap-tasitc kage bunshin against neji's moves. it's obvious that it doesn't match. naruto and all the rest of the genins lack many techniques and it's also obvious that someone like kidoumaru can't beat itachi (don't argue this cuz you know it's true). why do you think orochimaru wants sasuke? it's for the sharingan so he can learn all the jutsus and itachi obviously knows tons of jutsus since he's got all these accomplishments in his record to back it up. don't try to state retarded and obvious facts to prove your 'point' cuz it's actually proving nothing.

EDIT: moridin, your should know that your argument is invalid as soon as you compared naruto and neji. naruto cannot lose. he just can't. if somehow, naruto was matched up with kidoumaru (this is if neji vs kido never happened), then kishimoto would've made it that naruto would somehow come out as the winner.

sorry for being so damn off-topic btw.

Insomniac

Sun, 02-01-2004, 12:36 PM

Itachi is the strongest so far that we know of

for all we know Orochimarus new body could be stronger or Kabuto could be stronger then any sannin - theres no use discussing powers of characters, at any moment they can change.

for all we know Orochimaru could have some ultimate snake transformation mutation thingy or whatever

Mut

Sun, 02-01-2004, 12:44 PM

OK, one more thing and i'm really done.

insomniac has a pretty good point, but i think the guy, orochimaru bodys-wapped with, isn't any better than itachi's cuz if he was stronger, then why would he be captured by orochimaru?

k, i'm really done now.

Insomniac

Sun, 02-01-2004, 12:47 PM

mental and physical strength are two completely different things http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif

also Itachi knows about the cursed seal when he looked at Sasuke 'the seal is unraveling' i wonder how he knew what a cursed seal was - even if he was in Atasuki they're teams of 2 and Kabuto was Orochimarus teammate so Oro and Itachi wouldnt have been close

Hatake Kakashi

Sun, 02-01-2004, 12:55 PM

Are you sure Kabuto was Orochimaru's teammate? I think he was in Konoha undercover for his whole life.

I think that Orochimaru had another team mate instead of Kabuto.

Their are 9 of them, so that would mean one of them didn't have a partner. I always assumed the head of the organization wouldn't have one. I don't know how the organization is now since he left and they are back to 8, unless they got another person to join.

Hatake Kakashi

Sun, 02-01-2004, 01:04 PM

I don't see Sasuke killing Itachi, I really dont.

The Sasuke that we are seeing right now, is not the Sasuke that we would have seen if his clan wasn't wiped out.

Remember in the flashbacks what Sasuke was like? Sure he was cocky, but he at least talked and smiled a few times. He looked up to his older brother and wanted to be just like him.

Ever since that day, he has vowed to murder him, but I don't think he can do it. Itachi is too good. I am thinking Itachi will meet his demise in another fashion, Sasuke won't be able to kill him.

Itachi is up here

Sasuke is down here, always and forever

Cloud 9

Sun, 02-01-2004, 01:06 PM

It seems to me, with the way they're making Sasuke look so inferior to everyone, that they plan to give him a "power boost" to be really good again. But if he's ever going to get strong enough to kill Itachi, or even maintain his own mental stability to even accomplish that is anyone's guess.

Arctyc

Sun, 02-01-2004, 01:13 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>and infinate potential as he can keep swapping bodies</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Orochimaru's body swapping technique is a Kinjutsu for a reason -- he can't do it consecutively for quite some time (re: Chapter 199), and he has to cope with the limitations of whatever body he uses. There is likely another weakness that will be the end of him.

Itachi... Itachi's a unique beast. An interesting sort of insane, and working under powers that have not yet been revealed (I have my own pet theory, but it's not worth expounding upon yet). If he got it in his head to kill Orochimaru, I'm not certain Oro would be able to stop him.

Naruto_-_Kun

Sun, 02-01-2004, 01:39 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Arctyc @ Feb 1 2004, 01:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>and infinate potential as he can keep swapping bodies</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Orochimaru's body swapping technique is a Kinjutsu for a reason -- he can't do it consecutively for quite some time (re: Chapter 199), and he has to cope with the limitations of whatever body he uses. There is likely another weakness that will be the end of him.

Itachi... Itachi's a unique beast. An interesting sort of insane, and working under powers that have not yet been revealed (I have my own pet theory, but it's not worth expounding upon yet). If he got it in his head to kill Orochimaru, I'm not certain Oro would be able to stop him. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I like ur style, i belive its also already been said that oro is scared of itachi it may be for the sharingan...but still everything orochimaru does can be copied prolli even the kinjutsu lol ( although i cant see why itachi will ever need to right now, unless in the future he has kids and jus changes to there body like the sick twisted freak he is. jk itachi rox http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif)

Destroyor

Sun, 02-01-2004, 01:40 PM

About Konoha backup, at most it will be one small team, that's it. Didn't any of you remember what Tsunade said when she order Shikamaru to retrieve Sasuke? There are no ninja to spare and Konoha is severly short-handed. What's this foolishness about invasion on the Sound Country? Konoha doesn't even have enough men to provide a secure small village, let alone another extra country. Tsunade did not even realize how tough it's going to be for Shikamaru and his genin team just going after Sasuke, so logically it is unlikely for her to "waste" valuable men-power to back Shikamaru up.

Hatake Kakashi

Mon, 02-02-2004, 02:33 AM

I think those pages were badly translated, because all of it is just jibberish.

That man that they are talking about at the beggining is Orochimaru.

When they are talking about the Kyubi, they are saying how Akatsuki wants to get it. It is one of the things that they are after. Hence why Jiraiya is going to keep an eye on Naruto.

What manga group did that? I have that scan too and I guess there were a lot of LQ Naruto scans during this time, before Inane came out.

Vagabond

Mon, 02-02-2004, 02:59 AM

its N-G. I know its really bad translations but for some reason I can't stop thinking that they are saying something important. ahh its fucking with my head http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif Probably nothing though.

moridin

Mon, 02-02-2004, 03:13 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>moridin: it's all about techniques. you're trying to compare naruto's crap-tasitc kage bunshin against neji's moves. it's obvious that it doesn't match. naruto and all the rest of the genins lack many techniques and it's also obvious that someone like kidoumaru can't beat itachi (don't argue this cuz you know it's true). why do you think orochimaru wants sasuke? it's for the sharingan so he can learn all the jutsus and itachi obviously knows tons of jutsus since he's got all these accomplishments in his record to back it up. don't try to state retarded and obvious facts to prove your 'point' cuz it's actually proving nothing.

EDIT: moridin, your should know that your argument is invalid as soon as you compared naruto and neji. naruto cannot lose. he just can't. if somehow, naruto was matched up with kidoumaru (this is if neji vs kido never happened), then kishimoto would've made it that naruto would somehow come out as the winner.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

First: Of course it's all about techniques. What do you think I was saying when I stated that in Naruto, just because A can beat B and B can beat C, A can beat C. I did not "state retarded and obvious facts" to prove my point. I was "obviously" providing a counterexample (big word...you understand it?) for the argument you employed in the following post.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>do i really need to back up what i said?

orochimaru: itachi is stronger than i am

and

orochimaru is just as strong as the other sannins. neither one of them is stronger than the other cuz they're suppose to be like rock, paper, scissors.

the end.
</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Now let's disect your argument. "why do you think orochimaru wants sasuke? it's for the sharingan so he can learn all the jutsus and itachi obviously knows tons of jutsus since he's got all these accomplishments in his record to back it up." Total red herring there. You go from my argument, we'll call it Janken analogy to simplify it, to why Orochimaru wants Sasuke to "proving," as you seem to believe that Itachi knows "tons of jutsus." Now it says Itachi is talented, agreed, and that he is a genius, agreed, but Orochimaru has been around for what...mmm 50 years? One thing you also seem to have forgotten is Orochimaru is also a "genius." Now if we want to state assumptions as facts, I would say Orochimaru knows more jutsus than Itachi, but we're not doing that right? Good. Next point. "You should know your argument is invalid once you compared Naruto and Neji. Naruto can't lose." Funny, it seems my argument was perfectly illustrated by the Naruto and Neji comparison. Of course Neji has better techniques than Naruto, and obviously, Neji is the "genius" in this case. Now according to your argument, again from the post above, Neji should have beaten Naruto. The fact that Naruto is the main character does not nullify this argument. If anything, it highlights how much Kishimoto enjoys the whole idea that stronger does not equal a win. Now you did not even address Shikamaru vs. Temari. Temari has the better techniques and she has multiple ones and yet she lost, in every sense except for the technical outcome of the match. Now the only proof you have so far introduced in support of your "facts," is a statement by Orochimaru that Itachi is stronger than him. I'm sorry if I don't accept that one thing as the be-all, end-all of evidence.

Death BOO Z

Mon, 02-02-2004, 03:24 AM

about tho jewish golem story, here's the version that i know

it takes place somewhere in the 15-16th hundred, at some europian country...
the story goes like this, there was a rabi and he was supposed to protecet all the jews from Anti-sementizem and pogroms, so he took a human shaped lump of stone and wrote god's true name on top of it and the word truth ("AMET" אמת) on it's chest, the golem was used to check whatever merchendize which was sent to the jewish 'getho' and uncover what the chirstian tried to sneak in (mostly babies bodies, to incourge the belief the jews used babies blood to bake Matzot on passover). The Rabi earesed god's name from the gollem each weekend, so that the gollem won't work over Saturday, until one week he forgot to do it and the golem went on a rampage becuase he was a sin (doing work over Shabat), so the Rabi earesed the first letter of the "AMET" (Truth) and ledt him with "Met" (Dead) so the golem collapssed and died.

moridin

Mon, 02-02-2004, 03:38 AM

You are making Sharingan out to be some sort of God-like enhancement. It helps a lot but even if you copy a jutsu, it does not mean you can use it. Think about it. Also, Orochimaru realizes both the Sharingan's weaknesses and strengths, so what would happen if he did a jutsu similar to Zabuza's mist, except far stronger? Would Itachi still be able to copy everything?

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>the single most powerful jutsu we've seen so far can only be countered by another sharingan user with the same bloodline. don't you know?</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Again, since you obviously missed what I meant by not stating assumptions as facts, we do not know for sure that the Mange Sharingan is the most powerful jutsu we have seen. Rasengan is pretty powerful. So is the sealing jutsu the 3rd and the 4th used. What about Orochimaru's summoning of the three Hokages? How about Tsunade's rejuvenation?

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>if it was just a regular fight against two people, then shikamaru would've gotten smoked at the end. up until now, all the rest of the genin haven't been too important. but during the rescue mission, they've become more part of the main story and that's why they've won (or tied) the fights against the sound 4.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

If it was a regular fight between two people, Shikamaru would not have given up at the end so the outcome would have been up for grabs. Again, you make an assumption without proof. Good job. Now you are also putting the genins into the same "unusable" category as Naruto? So even though at least 3 out of the 5 have proven exactly what I have been saying, my argument is still invalid because you say that they are too important to lose. Strong argument there. Almost got me.

This time, why don't you try replying with some proof and not your assumptions. Next time when you try copying my style of arguing, why don't you try inserting the thinly veiled sarcasm that it seems you missed.

Mgslee

Mon, 02-02-2004, 03:47 AM

I just thought of something funny while re reading chap 202
On the last page play "Where's Naruto?" can you find the real one? http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_laughbounce2.gif

AlbinoFury

Mon, 02-02-2004, 03:49 AM

i hate how every topic we start ends up talking about fucking itachi or the sharingan, i wish itachi woulda killed sasuke too and then done himself, then annoying fucks who cant talk about anything but them would not exist.

Destroyor

Mon, 02-02-2004, 03:50 AM

Can a mod please lock this topic? I'm pretty sick of all this poor Itachi arguments and my head hurt.

Hatake Kakashi

Mon, 02-02-2004, 03:52 AM

Man am I sick of these stupid debates carrying over into the weekly chapter threads. I have said it before and I will say it again... Unless the two people in question actually fight each other, we have no way of knowing who is going to win.

In the word of Naruto there are too many factors that can change the course of the fight. The outcome of some matchups can be made pretty easily, but for the higher tiers of people it is pretty tough to say who would actually win.

As for all of this foolishness saying that the Mange Sharingan is the most powerful technique in Naruto, that is just garbage. All you have to do is look away from it for hells sake. The Rasengan, so far is easily the most powerful technique we have seen in Naruto. Although the most impressive techniques have been The Forbidden Summoning of the 1st and 2nd Hokage, Tsunade's Rejuvination Abilities, and I have to admit, the Manga Sharingan was cool...at first.

moridin

Mon, 02-02-2004, 03:54 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Man am I sick of these stupid debates carrying over into the weekly chapter threads. I have said it before and I will say it again... Unless the two people in question actually fight each other, we have no way of knowing who is going to win.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

This is exactly what I have been saying. No one knows if Itachi is stronger than the Sannins. We don't know if he is the strongest in the manga so far. It's all up for grabs. Itachi is just one of the strongest.

AlbinoFury

Mon, 02-02-2004, 03:59 AM

i mean look where this fucking itachi obsession is leading, i mean eventually some noob will start a topic of "OMG OMG who would win? Itachi with no legs or eyes vs Konohamaru!!! OMGOMGOMG!" is this a road we wanna creat people? be fucking original, and as kakashi above said, we cant fucking know who is stronger unless they fight.

xtort

Mon, 02-02-2004, 04:04 AM

What about one of Itachi's legs versus Konoha Village? I think his leg has a fighting chance if it is unrestrained. That should probably be a stipulation: a de-pantsed Itachi leg versus Konoha Village. Who will win? Leg? Or Konoha?

-xtortout

itachi_

Mon, 02-02-2004, 04:07 AM

Mange Sharingan is the most powerful Genjutsu, says on many websites.
Rasengan maybe is one of the mightiest ninjutsu.

xtort

Mon, 02-02-2004, 04:10 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (itachi_ @ Feb 2 2004, 04:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Mange Sharingan is the most powerful Genjutsu, says on many websites.
Rasengan maybe is one of the mightiest ninjutsu. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Can Itachi's leg do Mange Sharingan? Cuz jeez... it'll make the ItachiLeg/Konoha battle tough if he can't!

-xtortout

Hatake Kakashi

Mon, 02-02-2004, 04:23 AM

Wow this topic has gone to the crap.

Lets get back to Chapter 202..........

I was thinking that Shikamaru has to have some kind of a trump card up his sleeve here. I know he is not a fighter type, but a leader/support unit, but his old man must have realized how vulnerable he was in the fight with Temari, thanks to his lack of combat skills. I am sure he taught the kid something, maybe Shadow Neck Bind and some other stuff.

The only other trump card I can think of is a Summoning no Jutsu that brings forth a deer of some kind. I don't think that is going to happen though because a) He doesn't have the chakra I don't think http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/cool.gif I think his family just raises deer for medical reasons, Tsunade mentions their antlers make good medicine. c) Unless the deer is as cool as Chopper from One Piece, it would be useless in a fight against 3 Golems.

I still want to believe that Shika will beat Tayuya with his mind, through mental warfare, like read her emotions and manipulate her. All of the foreshadowing between his dad, himself, and his mom has lead up to this point.

Shikamaru's mom is bossy like Tayuya is, so maybe Shikamaru will use some of his dads strategy's against her. Something's gotta give I know that.

moridin

Mon, 02-02-2004, 04:26 AM

What exactly does Shadow Neck bind do?

Hatake Kakashi

Mon, 02-02-2004, 04:28 AM

Strangles someone with the shadows. Can lift them up and trap them in the air. If the Shika's wanted to they could probably strangle someone or break their necks.

Nara Shikato used it during the Sound/Sand Invasion.

xtort

Mon, 02-02-2004, 04:41 AM

They're still in the trees fighting, no? (Shikamaru and Tatuya, that is...) This fight should be easy for him. Think about it... worst case scenario, he gets on a branch that runs from side to side. Shadow binds them all, walks sideways, they walk sideways and fall off the branch that isn't there. 3 ogres and Tatuya owned. Now, me being a total doofus thought of this; Shika can do about 100 times better! http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/smile.gif

Gooo Shika!

-xtortout

xtort

Mon, 02-02-2004, 04:44 AM

Oh, and by the way... page 17 of 202 has Orochimaru scratching at his bandages... with his hands (that he can use, again).

-xtortout

Hatake Kakashi

Mon, 02-02-2004, 04:50 AM

yeah, in 201 he had his head resting on them, just relaxing.

I am glad that the bad guy does not have a handicap anymore. With this young body of his, he might just want to go check on the Sound 5, especially when Kimimaro doesn't get back right away.

Could make for an interesting situation.

PSJ

Mon, 02-02-2004, 04:51 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (xtort @ Feb 2 2004, 09:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Oh, and by the way... page 17 of 202 has Orochimaru scratching at his bandages... with his hands (that he can use, again).

-xtortout </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
we dont know how he can use it... it might be kabuto who cured him or it might be the new body that works.... i believe they will explain that later on.

Mut

Mon, 02-02-2004, 05:54 AM

we're just all stubborn, that's all. no one is gonna change any one's mind. we all think that we're always right for whatever reason. i know i am.

AlbinoFury

Mon, 02-02-2004, 06:07 AM

heres a point we havent beaten into the ground that should be raised, exactly wtf u think the thing kimi pulled out of his hand was? it wasnt exactly sharp, just kinda long, kinda looked bonelike even. Any ideas? Could this be part of his advance bloodline stuff or just a jutsu? oh and if someone says its a form of the mange sharingan in the hand, or says itachi musta taught him that cause its cool i will personnally come to your house and beat u.

rockmanj

Mon, 02-02-2004, 06:08 AM

i think that he can use his hands for basic things, but im not sure if he's still able to use jutsu requiring the hands; i mean, it was his spirit that actually damaged; but as for 202, yea, i think shika will use the trees to his advantage somehow; i mean there's nothin but shadows around him

Mut

Mon, 02-02-2004, 06:09 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AlbinoFury @ Feb 2 2004, 05:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> heres a point we havent beaten into the ground that should be raised, exactly wtf u think the thing kimi pulled out of his hand was?* it wasnt exactly sharp, just kinda long, kinda looked bonelike even.* Any ideas?* Could this be part of his advance bloodline stuff or just a jutsu?* oh and if someone says its a form of the mange sharingan in the hand, or says itachi musta taught him that cause its cool i will personnally come to your house and beat u. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
it's his penis, duh.

btw, it's called penis no jutsu, which itachi must've taught cuz it's cool.

or it could possibly a form of the mange sharingan in the hand.

no, really, i think it's a sword of some sort, just not in 100% form (it's not sharp enough yet).

EDIT: i think kimimaro has the ability to turn into a monster of some sort. kind of like gaara.

PSJ

Mon, 02-02-2004, 06:52 AM

well he got that seal called the gaia seal. is that the seal to turn curse 2 or is it something else i think i heard it before somewhere... as for that thing in his hand it might be a bone from his body but i dont know.

moridin

Mon, 02-02-2004, 06:56 AM

Maybe he is able to alter his hand like Killua from HxH.

Boogster

Mon, 02-02-2004, 07:10 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Arctyc @ Feb 1 2004, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Given the trend that Kishimoto has started with these battles, I'm not certain how Shika's battle is going to go. He seems to have tried to display how the characters are learning and growing even up to now -- by having Chouji, the ever-cowardly back-liner stand up even in the face of death; and having Neji, the destiny-obsessed guy with a superiority complex, admit to and even use his weaknesses in battle. This makes me think that for Kiba's battle, he may have to rely on a deceptive measure to win, and Shikamaru... heck, he might have to learn to go on gut instinct. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
That is a really interesting post. I agree, although I'm kind of diappointed that my instinct tells me that Kiba is gonna win. It shouldn't be possible; it isn't very plausible, no?

PSJ

Mon, 02-02-2004, 07:30 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (VagabondLBD @ Feb 2 2004, 06:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> hm for some reason i've got to think that there are more than 8 members in the akatsuki. The reason i think this is because when itachi is in konoha he says that there are higher ups in the akatsuki. So some of them must not be volunteers, someone must have planed it from the beginning. Also this proves that there is some stronger than itachi (I know you were talking about characters that have been introduced) because if they wasn't as strong as itachi than why would itachi be taking orders from them. That is unless they have some hold on itachi.(something like blackmail) Another weird thing. Read these scan from the manga. Kakashi and jiraiya refer to someone as "that man". Its not oro or itachi because kakashi says its the ninetails. I dunno itds confusing but just read it and tell me what you understand from it.

1 ('http://www.narutoblast.com/gallery/albums/Mangascans/Volume16/chapter143/chapter143_04.jpg')
2 ('http://www.narutoblast.com/gallery/albums/Mangascans/Volume16/chapter143/chapter143_05.jpg')
3 ('http://www.narutoblast.com/gallery/albums/Mangascans/Volume16/chapter143/chapter143_06.jpg')
4 ('http://www.narutoblast.com/gallery/albums/Mangascans/Volume16/chapter143/chapter143_07.jpg') </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
thats just a bad translation i think. the part whre he says "that man (nine tails)" is just a mistake or something nine tails isnt a man duh!! i think he said that the head of akatsuki wants kyubi.

Destroyor

Mon, 02-02-2004, 08:55 AM

The best Kiba could hope for is a 4KO, a lose-lose situation. I wonder if oro's hand would rot or not? Since the soul of the hands are seal, it could be that oro get's his physical hand back for awhile before they crumble to the soul and rot. Shikmaru ... hmm ... no idea but he'll think of something, but his inexperience really nag my mind and I still can't think of something that'll allow him to win unscath. Oh well ...

revel911

Mon, 02-02-2004, 09:11 AM

The whole Oro saga isn't going to last for ever, I hope you know. He will die eventually, and I think it will be rather soon (less than 50 chapters,) they need to move on.

Soon they will get back to the Ataksuki and to Itachi.

Come Come Paradise

Mon, 02-02-2004, 09:49 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I have that scan too and I guess there were a lot of LQ Naruto scans during this time, before Inane came out.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

hatake kakashi, do u have inane translations for these chapters? if so do u have a link or something so i may be able to get them? thanks.

hiten mitsurugi

Mon, 02-02-2004, 09:55 AM

If I were Naruto (fighting Kimmimaro), I would summon Gamabunta, and then shadow replicate him. Imagine 1000 Gamabuntas (stretching it a tad bit). That would be enough to defeat Kimmimaro quickly, in order to go back and help the rest of the team.

Destroyor

Mon, 02-02-2004, 09:59 AM

You can't do that http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/sleep.gif .

Hatake Kakashi

Mon, 02-02-2004, 10:23 AM

Yeah Naruto couldn't Shadow Replicate Gamabunta. At best Gamabunta could maybe Shadow Replicate himself. We already know he can do Henge, and I am sure if an animal could learn Kage Bushin, he could be able to do it. Maybe once Naruto gets a little better, he will be able to Shadow Replicate objects, like Sarutobi-sensei did with the Shurikens, in the fight with Orochimaru..

Also, I don't understand why everyone keeps thinking Shadow Replication makes Naruto stronger. He's just as strong as if there were only one of them. Its not like he is going to beat Kimimaro down now that he has 1000 clones. Each of those clones is 1/1000 of Naruto's power/chakra now, so all what Kimimaro would have to do is use a moderately high offensive ninjutsu that targets a bunch of them and bam their done.

Back to Kiba's fight..I think he and Akamaru will take soldier pills and start going berserk on Sakon. Kiba is no slouch in combat either, he was just unlucky to go up against Naruto during the Chuunin Exam. He isn't a powerhouse by any means, but I think as a Tandem, he and Akamaru are better than Sakon-Akon.

Raven

Mon, 02-02-2004, 10:30 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hatake Kakashi @ Feb 2 2004, 09:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Also, I don't understand why everyone keeps thinking Shadow Replication makes Naruto stronger. He's just as strong as if there were only one of them. Its not like he is going to beat Kimimaro down now that he has 1000 clones. Each of those clones is 1/1000 of Naruto's power/chakra now, so all what Kimimaro would have to do is use a moderately high offensive ninjutsu that targets a bunch of them and bam their done. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I always thought the chakra was divided equally, but the strength is fully replicated, as in each clone can hit as hard as the real Naruto.
Sure, they may have no durability i.e. die in one hit, and no chakra i.e. they can't perform jutsus, but I thought they could hit just as strongly as the original.

Maybe I'm wrong though.

Insomniac

Mon, 02-02-2004, 10:36 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>The whole Oro saga isn't going to last for ever, I hope you know. He will die eventually, and I think it will be rather soon (less than 50 chapters,) they need to move on.
</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

in all likelyness Itachi will die before Oro does, Itachi is a character made for death - hes introduced as an 'unstoppable' character as a goal for Sasuke but he will die none the less.

Orochimaru has no reason to die or to be killed, no one strong is chasing him and it would take an army to take on his village of sound whereas Itachi travels in a group of 2, hes not well protected other then by Kisame.

Mut

Mon, 02-02-2004, 11:40 AM

dude, just copy my sig, then you'll never be wrong.

btw, what you said is true.

Hatake Kakashi

Mon, 02-02-2004, 11:45 AM

yeah his strength gets divided up evenly since the clones are exact replicas of his body. So all of his anatomy stays in tact. So a hit is a hit, no matter if it is Naruto or a clone. But his chakra(power) is divided up so much..if Kimimaro breaths on them they will *poof*, disappear.

Destroyor

Mon, 02-02-2004, 11:53 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
I always thought the chakra was divided equally, but the strength is fully replicated, as in each clone can hit as hard as the real Naruto.*
Sure, they may have no durability i.e. die in one hit, and no chakra i.e. they can't perform jutsus, but I thought they could hit just as strongly as the original.

Maybe I'm wrong though. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I agree. The chakra available at the moment when Naruto perform the shadow clone is divided evenly among every single body. If the physical strength are divided evenly among the clones then every single Naruto should not even be able to run, or if they can then Naruto should be so strong to the point where his physical strength could lift a small mountain easily. Last point, the real Naruto could always make more chakra with his stamina. It's not like all his chakra were present when he did the clones, so the 1/1000 chakra is not really correct.

edit: the clones' bodies are make up entirely out of chakra, so a hit on the clone doesn't really "hit" naruto physically, only his chakra.

itachi_

Mon, 02-02-2004, 12:21 PM

It's strange if you search on google (pictures) and type Itachi all the pictures that will appear is pictures of weasels. Maybe itachi is a word for "weasel" in japanese.

Death BOO Z

Mon, 02-02-2004, 12:35 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (itachi_ @ Feb 2 2004, 11:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> It's strange if you search on google (pictures) and type Itachi all the pictures that will appear is pictures of weasels. Maybe itachi is a word for "weasel" in japanese. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
it's not a maybe... it's a fuckin' fact!
it's like how Kakashi means 'scarecrow' and shika means 'deer'...

let's all do a 'banzai' to captian obvious here!

itachi_

Mon, 02-02-2004, 12:40 PM

Stop that, how annoying!

Mgslee

Mon, 02-02-2004, 01:23 PM

Itachi might be the strongest character but doesnt mean its unbeatable... Just look at a sports ladder, the number 1 team doesnt always win and given game... same applies... This series is defiently not about Stronger = Win ... we have many characters to proove that... any how... the next chapter is gonna be good

Mut

Mon, 02-02-2004, 01:37 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (moridin @ Feb 2 2004, 02:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Now let's disect your argument. "why do you think orochimaru wants sasuke? it's for the sharingan so he can learn all the jutsus and itachi obviously knows tons of jutsus since he's got all these accomplishments in his record to back it up." Total red herring there. You go from my argument, we'll call it Janken analogy to simplify it, to why Orochimaru wants Sasuke to "proving," as you seem to believe that Itachi knows "tons of jutsus." Now it says Itachi is talented, agreed, and that he is a genius, agreed, but Orochimaru has been around for what...mmm 50 years? One thing you also seem to have forgotten is Orochimaru is also a "genius." Now if we want to state assumptions as facts, I would say Orochimaru knows more jutsus than Itachi, but we're not doing that right? Good. Next point. "You should know your argument is invalid once you compared Naruto and Neji. Naruto can't lose." Funny, it seems my argument was perfectly illustrated by the Naruto and Neji comparison. Of course Neji has better techniques than Naruto, and obviously, Neji is the "genius" in this case. Now according to your argument, again from the post above, Neji should have beaten Naruto. The fact that Naruto is the main character does not nullify this argument. If anything, it highlights how much Kishimoto enjoys the whole idea that stronger does not equal a win. Now you did not even address Shikamaru vs. Temari. Temari has the better techniques and she has multiple ones and yet she lost, in every sense except for the technical outcome of the match.* Now the only proof you have so far introduced in support of your "facts," is a statement by Orochimaru that Itachi is stronger than him. I'm sorry if I don't accept that one thing as the be-all, end-all of evidence. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
oh my god, you're still not understanding it. you just can't put naruto in the same category as everyone else.

anwyay, how is how is "why do you think orochimaru wants sasuke? it's for the sharingan so he can learn all the jutsus and itachi obviously knows tons of jutsus since he's got all these accomplishments in his record to back it up." a red herring? it's a strong point to state the fact that sharingan user/master is always 1 step above someone else. orochimaru can do whatever jutsus infront of itachi, and it'll be pointless cuz itachi can copy them all. the single most powerful jutsu we've seen so far can only be countered by another sharingan user with the same bloodline. don't you know? and don't bring up gai's technique of only looking at the feet cuz that can only take him so far.

and yes, i believe that orochimaru knows more jutsus than anyone that we've seen so far that's alive (might not be true but i doubt it). but no, i did not forget that orochimaru is a genius, that's a given and everyone knows it. and don't even bring that up "if we're not doing that right?" Good. Next point.

once again, you cannot put naruto in the same category as everyone else. yeah, i'm sure kishimoto enjoys the whole idea that stronger does not equal a win. but it's naruto. there is no way he can lose. do you think any other genin would've won against gaara if that character wasn't the main character? absolutely not. it just totally nullifys any argument if you include any fight involving naruto. and for shika vs temari. that was during an officiated match. if it was just a regular fight against two people, then shikamaru would've gotten smoked at the end. up until now, all the rest of the genin haven't been too important. but during the rescue mission, they've become more part of the main story and that's why they've won (or tied) the fights against the sound 4.

sometimes, you just gotta take things as it is. sorry, but itachi can't be beaten by anyone right now. and i'm sure whatever i say isn't gonna influence you in any way, so can someone tell these people that itachi is the strongest ninja alive so far?

EDIT: sorry for the long, off-topic post, again but people keep making me do it. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/sad.gif

Vagabond

Mon, 02-02-2004, 01:50 PM

hm for some reason i've got to think that there are more than 8 members in the akatsuki. The reason i think this is because when itachi is in konoha he says that there are higher ups in the akatsuki. So some of them must not be volunteers, someone must have planed it from the beginning. Also this proves that there is some stronger than itachi (I know you were talking about characters that have been introduced) because if they wasn't as strong as itachi than why would itachi be taking orders from them. That is unless they have some hold on itachi.(something like blackmail) Another weird thing. Read these scan from the manga. Kakashi and jiraiya refer to someone as "that man". Its not oro or itachi because kakashi says its the ninetails. I dunno itds confusing but just read it and tell me what you understand from it.

1 ('http://www.narutoblast.com/gallery/albums/Mangascans/Volume16/chapter143/chapter143_04.jpg')
2 ('http://www.narutoblast.com/gallery/albums/Mangascans/Volume16/chapter143/chapter143_05.jpg')
3 ('http://www.narutoblast.com/gallery/albums/Mangascans/Volume16/chapter143/chapter143_06.jpg')
4 ('http://www.narutoblast.com/gallery/albums/Mangascans/Volume16/chapter143/chapter143_07.jpg')

Hatake Kakashi

Tue, 02-03-2004, 03:32 AM

Yeah, but up until now we really haven't seen a Kyubi Mode Shadow Clone or what it could do. These clones are obviously stronger than the normal ones, since Naruto himself is stronger in this mode. We will just have to see. I just don't think that Kimimaro is going to go down this easy.

Insomniac

Tue, 02-03-2004, 03:53 AM

Kage Bunshin is a pretty wasteful technique as just a fighting one unless you suprized your opponent, mass clones in a fight is only a strong as one Naruto.

khaodessy

Tue, 02-03-2004, 08:03 AM

i have to agree that these clone are far stronger then the usual clones naruto makes since this is the 1st time he created them as kyubi-naruto. also it was shown in the fight with neji that the clones are alot stronger then just a one hit and theyre gone. because one clone bleed when he was hit by neji when he thought it was the real naruto. so i think the clones have alot more duriblity then most people think. this fight should be one hell of a battle.
i think shikamara has the advantage in his fight because they are in the forest. i just want to see his new moves.

i wonder if kimi takes to long to return would oro send someone else or personally go since he has use of his arms.

xtort

Tue, 02-03-2004, 01:48 PM

Let's be a little more precise here... it's not Naruto's chakra that's being divided at the moment; it's Kyuubi's. So, what we have here is a monster, whom a whole village couldn't defeat, dividing his chakra around into a couple hundred bodies. I wouldn't think that'd be an intangible amount of power, regardless if you dislike Naruto or not. Given, not all of Kyuubi's chakra is being split, but we've seen Naruto best anyone given that level of chakra.

(Note: he whooped up on Haku with it, and Neji with only a portion of it.)

I'm not giving any indication of what's to come, but people who consitently dismiss characters in this story... well, after 200 some issues, just don't get it. The story is about being the odds, overcoming against superior forces, making yourself better. I personally hope that the upcoming fight is a bloody brawl, because I'd love to see another really interesting character thrown into the mix. But to dismiss Naruto offhandedly is... well, maybe exactly what Kishimoto wants you to do.

Hello? *knock knock* Anyone home?

-xtortout