Itachi

[Mange Sharingan]

What if Itachi didnt destroy the Uchiha Clan and did not become a missing nin?

What did you think he would be or do since he is very powerful

[Legendary Nin]

This doesn't belong in the anime section,it has spoilers written all over it.


Please move,please move!!!!! lol.

I'll reply when its safe.

[Legato 2057]

He would be a telephone sanitizer.

[Vagabond]

I think he would be a group leader like kakashi. I don't think he would be hokage just because I can't see a member of the Uchiha clan being that high up. I dunno it would kinda be like Hisashi being hokage. I can't imagine it. I would think his first priority would be looking over his clan or something.

[Krbadass]

This can only turn into spoilers, moved to Open Discussion.

[kaigan]

since itachi is a badass, he will be a clan leader like the leader of the huyga(sp) clan. also he would make sasgay dressed up as a girl and dance around for his enoyment.

[Anbu Hatake Kakashi]

Why do ppl hate sasuke!!!! is he too good for you guys?! and yea he'll probally be a leader of the uchiha clan

[itachi_]

Also want to add that Itachi ain't dumb, he'll know what to do when he meets Kakashi again, for sure...

[Legendary Nin]

Kakashi doesn't have the speed of Itachi.Skills aren't TRICKS.

[Harageki]

I doubt Sasuke will ever be able to beat Itachi.
As he himself said...`Why is there so big a difference?` or something along those lines. Kakashi can beat the crap out of Sasuke without breaking a sweat, and Itachi can pretty much hammer Kakashi, (probabaly getting wounded in the process). So Sasuke really isnt anywhere near his level...hes faaar, far away. Not to mention if he keeps pulling stupid stunts like going to Oro, etc...hes just slowing his progress down in the long term. Another thing, even if hes amazingly more powerful as time goes by, Itachi is ALSO improving, so he mantains a constant and huge gap in power.

[Insomniac]

if you havent noticed the cursed seal increases Sasukes power tonnes, level 2 will increase it far more then Sasuke would ever achieve by himself.

Itachi left the leaf because he could no longer become stronger there seeing as he already killed his clan, the main reason that Itachi left Sasuke alive that we know is to beat him.
Sasuke is there to one day beat Itachi, thats what Itachi wishes him to do but obviously only when he thinks hes a worthy challenge.

Kakashi WAS keeping up with Itachi before the mange sharigan, he had to save Asuma and Kunerai most of the time thats why Itachi was winning. I suggest you read again you'll notice that Kakashi could have still fought for a fair while with Itachi if he didnt try to take the mange sharigan on head on.

Kakashi thought he could counter the mange sharigan with his eye thats the main reason why he was beaten so badly. Kakashi has the bad habit of making mistakes the first time around as seen vs Zabuza. If you ask me Itachi is over rated just because he beat Kakashi with the mange sharigan, i mean Zabuza came close to beating Kakashi too many times.

this is NO way shows that Itachi can take on someone of Jiyairas level, Kakashi and Jiyaira are at a huge gap in terms of power.
Even if Itachi can beat Kakashi it doesnt bring him close to Jiyaira by any means

[itachi_]

Itachi Uchiha can probably beat Orochimaru, why not Jiraya...? http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/blink.gif

[Insomniac]

i think he would be less powerful for one, not more.

Joining Atasuki would have greatly boosted his skill level

[Insomniac]

i think you dont understand the types of jutsus used

Orochimaru uses alot of seal based jutsu so that makes it easy for Itachi to copy all his jutsus, Orochimaru spent his life accumilating jutsus and do you think hes going to let Itachi copy them all?

as for people who say that since Itachi is feared by Orochimaru that he can easily beat him - havent you ever feared something like a spider? doesnt mean you cant kill it does it, the capicity to kill it is still there.

Jiyaira and Orochimaru use completely different fighting styles, stop thinking that everyone is exactly even against everyone else.

[Legato 2057]

Insomniac, Oro said Itachi was more powerful than himself, not that he was just scared of him. While Oro and Jiraiya both have different fighting styles, I think that they are equal in strength. Jiraiya already tried to capture Itachi and failed, so my bet is that Itachi is stronger.

[Insomniac]

if Itachi is stronger then why didnt he take Naruto?
or even hurt Jiyaira at all

and no Orochimaru said he feared him not anything about being stronger, reread that chapter

if Itachi was truthfully stronger then Jiyaira he had Jiyaira outnumbered two to one, Kisame and Itachi both were able to fight but they opted to run.

Even IF Itachi was too 'tired' to fight Jiyaira it still doesnt explain why Kisame and Itachi didnt fight him at the same time if we're yet to see all of Itachis powers.
If we're truely yet to see all his powers then why wouldnt he have accomplished what he set out to do, instead of failing.

even if Orochimaru and Jiyaira are even when fighting each other it doesnt mean that other people will be able to defeat both of their styles by simply being stronger then one of them.
think of it as when Tenten fought Temari, it was the worst match possible for her as Temari could deflect her only attack, while if Tenten was matched up against someone else who couldnt shes strong as she never misses unless forced to.
its the same principle - Orochimaru uses seal based jutsu which Itachi can copy which means Orochimarus main weapon is useless while fighting Itachi. It doesnt mean that Itachi can beat everyone on Orochimarus level though, it just means that Orochimarus main attacks cant work against Itachi.

That means that other people of Orochimarus level that dont rely on seal based jutsu will do far better against Itachi. such as Tsunade

[NarutoOtaku]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Anbu Hatake Kakashi @ Jan 12 2004, 11:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Why do ppl hate sasuke&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; is he too good for you guys?&#33; and yea he&#39;ll probally be a leader of the uchiha clan </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Yes... why do you people despise Sasuke so much? Although, I really love them both...
Let&#39;s compare Sasuke to Itachi for a minute...

I&#39;ve heard people say Sasuke does not care for his comrades when he obviously does.
Itachi... kills his WHOLE clan excluding Sasuke. Which seems more cruel?

Sasuke seems selfish? Only caring about vengeance and the revival of his clan.
Itachi... seeks even more power than Sasuke.

(Sarcastic Tone) OH NO&#33;&#33;&#33; Now i see, no wonder you guys hate Sasuke sooooo much. Well, I would have never seen that would I? Hmmm....

Now, really, if you are going to make Sasuke look bad... at least give a reason behind it instead of just following others or just thinking he&#39;s &quot;gay&quot; for no reason. I mean, if you have a good reason behind it then that is fine and dandy but if you dont then be quiet. My goodness...

[DeluxSkillz]

ok your pretty much of an idiot aren&#39;t you have you actually paid attention to those chapters? Itachi uses his mange sharingan twice with a small window of time between them and it had obviously exhausted him alot, the fact that jiraiya even dares to say that they couldn&#39;t escape from the toad mouth binding technique had me lmao Itachi burned a way out so easily and Jiraiya was amazed by the high level fire jutsu so far people who claim that Jiraiya is on the same level as Itachi are fools and should shut their mouths, Orochimaru is weaker, why would he fear some one when he is stronger???????? also the reason for Itachi and Kisame to run was already answered by Itachi, they just made sure that Naruto was the nine-tails so they could lay back rest and come back any time to get him there was obviously no reason to rush, conclusion is until they face eachother will Jiraiya be owned by Itachi it&#39;s a fact any and all jutsu used by Jiraiya will be copied and handled with or send back at him, why even try to defend the power of a charachter when obviously Itachi is way stronger he&#39;s a TRUE succesor or MASTER of sharingan he can read all nin, tai and gen-jutsu so Jiraiya isn&#39;t really gonna do anything without Itachi being able to read and counter it

[itachi_]

Is Mange Sharingan a Gen-Jutsu, am i right?, because it&#39;s like illuisonary... but kind of a Nin-Jutsu as well...

[Hotsuma]

Honestly, Insomniac, I think you&#39;re just being dellusional. Give it up, dude. Oro said himself, that Itachi is strong. This is concrete evidence. And, Oro is as strong, if not stronger than Jiraiya.

Sorry to say, but Jiraiya simply can&#39;t beat Itachi. Let&#39;s put things into perspective. Itachi was growing stronger, while in the Akatsuki. What has Jiraiya been doing? Writing porno novels. I wonder who&#39;s more in shape. If Itachi, while tired after Mange-Sharinganing twice in one day, is able to rip a whole in Jiraiyas jutsu, he&#39;d make mincemeat out of him and Naruto, easily.

Itachi &gt; Sannin.

There is simply no comparision between Jiraiya and Itachi. People need to get this into their minds.

[Hotsuma]

I don&#39;t know why everybody hates Sasuke either. Sure, the kid has some flaws, but then.. who doesn&#39;t?

Yeah, it was bad that he went over to Oros side, but look at it from his POV. He got his ass kicked by his brother. Everybody seems to be getting ahead of him. His brother added insult to injury. Come on, people. He was scared, confused and angry.

Now, his weakness however is : He has the power of the Uchiha Sharingan, and is obviously the most gifted, as far as raw talent is concerned. But.. he doesn&#39;t make full use of it, and instead of trying to better himself, he is constantly comparing himself to others. Then, when he sees that he isn&#39;t the shit, he runs away and starts to feel insecure about himself.

And where people got the idea of him being selfish is beyond me. He showed brave acts of heroism and friendship, when he took all those blows from Haku back in the wave arc. He also obviously cares for his team-mates, enough to not let them know about his cursed seal. And, he shows grief, when he leaves w/the sound.

[itachi_]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hotsuma @ Jan 13 2004, 03:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Honestly, Insomniac, I think you&#39;re just being dellusional. Give it up, dude. Oro said himself, that Itachi is strong. This is concrete evidence. And, Oro is as strong, if not stronger than Jiraiya.

Sorry to say, but Jiraiya simply can&#39;t beat Itachi. Let&#39;s put things into perspective. Itachi was growing stronger, while in the Akatsuki. What has Jiraiya been doing? Writing porno novels. I wonder who&#39;s more in shape. If Itachi, while tired after Mange-Sharinganing twice in one day, is able to rip a whole in Jiraiyas jutsu, he&#39;d make mincemeat out of him and Naruto, easily.

Itachi &gt; Sannin.

There is simply no comparision between Jiraiya and Itachi. People need to get this into their minds. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I truely want to belive you.... But... I think that the &quot;good&quot; side will conquer... I want to belive that Itachi is the strongest... but i don&#39;t think he is... Every Shinobi has a week spot, probably kakashi or a kage can come up with a strategy to defeat him... But i don&#39;t know for sure, because i was totaly shocked when i read&amp;saw him in the manga it was like &quot;AWESOME&quot;... http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[DeluxSkillz]

mange sharingan is gen-jutsu when you make eye contact with it&#39;s user you get stuck in the realm of tsukuyomi in which the sharingan user has total control and can break your mind like crushing an insect, hotsuma is right you&#39;re just trying to make up anything to make jiraiya seem stronger then Itachi which isn&#39;t true i don&#39;t know why you do it but my guess is you don&#39;t like the charachter Itachi so why down talk him when so far in the entire series the few chapters Itachi was in he left the biggest impression, he&#39;s shown the strongest technique because Rasengan is a physical attack and a mental attack can be way more damaging then a physical one because ultimately a metal attack also damages you physically

[Boogster]

I do feel that some people *ahem* should calm down - although I do agree with them, as a matter of fact. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Legendary Nin]

Probably still Captain of the Anbu.

[KoRnTaco]

Sasuke is the second worst character(only second to Sakura) in NARUTO, but has nothing to do with him so i digress. Itachi would probably have gone on to become Hokage. I mean let&#39;s face it, this is the strongest ninja in the series so far, even Orochimaru is scared of him&#33;&#33;

[Nautek]

Hmm I agree that Itachi is a very strong lad but Jiraiya is not to be underrated even though he is a crazy old perverted man hehe. I mean he could have been Hokage if he wanted to, and as Itachi_ said the good guys are often stronger.

I do not know who would have won between Itachi and Jiraiya but it is indeed a close call. But hmm I think that I would put my money on Jiraiya afterall..

[itachi_]

Most anime usually end up that way, that the &quot;good&quot; guys win, the same with Jiraya, &quot;He&#39;s badly wounded, One final attack from Itachi and he&#39;s dead, he&#39;s thinking of an strategy, he come up with an idea and &quot;SMACK&quot; He got it, Itachi&#39;s damaged after that, everybody is like Huh?, Oro?, what the?&#33;, how did he become so strong etc...&quot; an example of what it&#39;s like in most anime-series

[Insomniac]

Itachi is only in the series to die, they made that clear in the first few chapters/episodes.
He cant exactly turn a &#39;oh i&#39;ll turn good&#39; without some lame plot turn because no one will forgive him.
He himself made sure that Sasuke lived to kill him one day, i think its kind of useless to be fans of someone who only gets 15 minutes of fame.

[itachi_]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Insomniac @ Jan 13 2004, 04:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Itachi is only in the series to die, they made that clear in the first few chapters/episodes.
He cant exactly turn a &#39;oh i&#39;ll turn good&#39; without some lame plot turn because no one will forgive him.
He himself made sure that Sasuke lived to kill him one day, i think its kind of useless to be fans of someone who only gets 15 minutes of fame. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Haha http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/laugh.gif

Gaara will probably die continous as well...

[DeluxSkillz]

ofcourse Itachi is gonna die but only by sasuke&#39;s or naruto&#39;s hands and only by a miraculous way ofcourse, either naruto using kyubi powers or sasuke after training for many many years

[Hotsuma]

Nobody is saying Itachi won&#39;t die.

I&#39;m just saying that Itachi is stronger than everybody else in the series, so far. Minus the Kyuubi..but, that&#39;s obvious.

And, just because you win, doesn&#39;t necassarily mean you are stronger. Especially in fighting anime. This is basic information everybody knows.

Kakashi is much weaker than Itachi, but he&#39;s got way more experience in age, and wisdom, therefore, he MIGHT win. (That&#39;s a big if, though.. Itachi is a freakin genius, after all.)

As for Jiraiya, what I&#39;ve seen of him isn&#39;t all that impressive, in terms of craftiness, when compared to Kakashi, Sasuke, and to some degree, Naruto.

[itachi_]

Why do you think that everybody will die, maybe some people surrender and stop living their lives as a shinob, but i don&#39;t think that Itachi would do that, neither die.

[rleland]

i hate sasgay because using the term sasgay and saying how much he sucks annoys all the sasuke fans http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

that aside i think itachi would have become a bridgebuilder (building bridges is SUPER good&#33;)

[Insomniac]

personally i dont see why Sasuke is so &#39;evil&#39;

put Lee in his situation and watch the same thing happen, both of them will do ANYTHING to achieve their goals.
If Lee had a cursed seal just you watch him tap into it when he knows he cant achieve what he set out to do, he definately would have used it against Gaara.

[DeluxSkillz]

he would still have been the ANBU leader, the reason sasuke sucks and Itachi doesn&#39;t is because Sasuke puts no effort into even trying to kill Itachi, he&#39;s the same age about now as Itachi was when Itachi became an ANBU captain and sasuke is still the little cry baby who can&#39;t even become a chuunin blah his whole charachter sucks major ass

[Insomniac]

Itachi put more effort into getting where he is whilst Sasuke just crused by on his talent.
although Sasuke has more potential then Itachi (which has been said a few times in the series) it still means he has to tap into that potential and Orochimaru will probably do it best

[Jiraiy4]

Itachi&#39;s too strong to sit around Konoha and do nothing. I believe he was destined to leave Konoha and seek the missing piece to his puzzled mind. Itachi is indeed searching for something, possibly on a quest to find his trueself. &lt;~ Just my opinion. Itachi wouldn&#39;t be able to stay quiet and live a normal life, because he has too much powers to keep it unused. ANBU is all about assassinating, killing, etc...and he became bored of that obviously...so what else is there left to do? He has no heart of a Hokage to sit around and protect the village, so I believe it was IMPOSSIBLE for Itachi stay in Konoha.

[itachi_]

I think that he&#39;s more powerful now when he joined akatsuki... I bet there is some other survivor of the Uchiha Clan other then Sasuke and itachi that haven&#39;t been announced...

[Jiraiy4]

I believe Itachi isn&#39;t THAT strong as most people describe him. Im guessing hes like the average guy of Akatsuki...meaning there&#39;s more people stronger than him in this world, and &quot;people&quot; not &quot;person&quot;. That would be weird if Itachi left another Uchiha alive, but you never know....he might not of wiped out the clan himself. It would be way too good if there was a Hyuga in Akatsuki.

[Hotsuma]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DeluxSkillz @ Jan 13 2004, 09:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> he would still have been the ANBU leader, the reason sasuke sucks and Itachi doesn&#39;t is because Sasuke puts no effort into even trying to kill Itachi, he&#39;s the same age about now as Itachi was when Itachi became an ANBU captain and sasuke is still the little cry baby who can&#39;t even become a chuunin blah his whole charachter sucks major ass </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
But by that comparision, not many people are shit, compared to Itachi. Only person that can even begin to compare is Kakashi, and we know just how far Itachi is ahead of him.

[Insomniac]

Kakashi and Gai are the only two jounins that we know of that could give Itachi a decent fight (while Kakashi got cained by the mange sharigan i&#39;m sure he wouldnt make that mistake again, he told the others to close their eyes so obviously from now on he&#39;ll avoid it)
everyone above jounin level is either a match for Itachi or stronger i&#39;d say, Kisame said himself that Jiyaira is a match for both him and Itachi and Itachi said that every strong man has a weakness, which he admits that Jiyaira is strong and possibly the only way to defeat him is to attack his weakness.


also, and i cant stress this enough.
Kakashi only got beaten so badly because he made a mistake, he thought he could counter the mange sharigan and he couldnt, there was no other evidence to show that Itachi was far above Kakashi.
its just like how Kabuto underestimated Naruto with his rasegen. One move can decide the battle.
If Kakashi hadnt of tried to take on the mange sharigan head on he would have lasted alot longer and all you Itachi fans have to realize that

Itachi is about Kakashis level from what we&#39;ve seen with one major jutsu to his advantage

[DeluxSkillz]

i&#39;m an Itachi fan and i&#39;m not one of those stupid fans out there who think Itachi is god just because he can use mange sharingan apart from this technique he must posses countless more techniques and his jutsu speed was amazing even for Kakashi so he&#39;s definately no match for Itachi, Itachi even spared his life for whatever unknown reason, Gai is the only one we know of who can pose a threat to Itachi, by saying every strong man has a weakness he stated that he could beat Jiraiya maybe not so easily and he will probably get hurt in the process but I say there&#39;s 85% chance Itachi beats the living crap out of Jiraiya...........oh and sasuke remains gay and a scaredy-cat how he so nicely put it, to me he&#39;s the worst charachter of the series and gets way too much spotlight

to edit my post, if you go back and read the chapters you can see that Kakashi was already out of breath after such a short fight and Kakashi looks scared when Itachi tells him he&#39;s gonna show him how a true sharingan user uses his sharingan so Kakashi is in no way a match for Itachi, also Itachi is only in danger when he uses his manga sharingan to much so if he doesn&#39;t use it then his stamina depletes the same way as anyone elses

[itachi_]

It will take time, Sasuke may beat itachi when he&#39;s 30 ? or never...

[Mut]

KAKASHI DOESN&#39;T FALL FOR THE SAME TRICK TWICE. WE LEARNED THAT DURING THE FIGHT BETWEEN HIM AND ZABUZA.

[Insomniac]

Itachi has no other option but to die really, if he surrenders then the leaf will execute him.
You cant get away with murdering a clan when you just want to say &#39;hey stop i&#39;m good now leave me alone&#39; its something thats going to be on Itachis back for the rest of his life and means hes eventually going to die.
If he does give up being a shinobi, Sasuke will probably murder him the first chance he gets.

I dont think that everyone bad will die, for good to exist there has to be evil. Its just that Itachi has made sure that he&#39;ll die one day by keeping Sasuke alive and telling him to train to kill him. Once Orochimaru taps into Sasukes potential (which we know is more then Itachi&#39;s) he&#39;ll get stronger quicker and we&#39;ll see them face off.

Also as we know, the only one that can defeat the mange sharigan by looking at it directly is a member of the same blood.
Now why would Itachi leave Sasuke alive if hes the only one who can defeat that technique and also make Sasuke want to kill him.

Itachi wants to die, when Sasuke reaches his potential though.

[Mut]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DeluxSkillz @ Jan 13 2004, 04:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ofcourse Itachi is gonna die but only by sasuke&#39;s or naruto&#39;s hands and only by a miraculous way ofcourse, either naruto using kyubi powers or sasuke after training for many many years </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
if itachi dies by none other than sasuke, i will call the series a flop. especially if he dies by naruto. i just can&#39;t even imagine that happening. no, i do not want to imagine that happening. cuz if he does... GOOD GAME TO THE SECOND MOST SIGNIFICANT STORY/GOAL IN THE SERIES.

[Hotsuma]

What&#39;s the first most significant goal? Naruto becoming Hokage? Boooring.

Naruto has as much buisness killing Itachi, as Sasuke as of becoming Hokage.

They&#39;re two completely different dimensions, that just can&#39;t be combined. Anybody that even contemplates Naruto killing Itachi is just freakin stupid.

[DeluxSkillz]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dazzz @ Jan 14 2004, 01:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DeluxSkillz &#064; Jan 13 2004, 04:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ofcourse Itachi is gonna die but only by sasuke&#39;s or naruto&#39;s hands and only by a miraculous way ofcourse, either naruto using kyubi powers or sasuke after training for many many years </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
if itachi dies by none other than sasuke, i will call the series a flop. especially if he dies by naruto. i just can&#39;t even imagine that happening. no, i do not want to imagine that happening. cuz if he does... GOOD GAME TO THE SECOND MOST SIGNIFICANT STORY/GOAL IN THE SERIES. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
IDIOT

[Insomniac]

the whole reason Itachi is in the series is to give Sasuke a goal to reach.
if he dies to Naruto then the whole reason for Sasukes existance is gone, just as if Sasuke became hokage, Narutos life would be over.


also it quite cleary said only one of the same blood can defeat the mange sharigan. Which means ONLY Sasuke


(ignoring the possibility of Orochimaru taking over Sasukes body that is)

[Mut]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DeluxSkillz @ Jan 14 2004, 02:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> IDIOT </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
why did you call me an idiot. are you trying to start something.

[Mut]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Insomniac: While the Kyubi may be the most powerful being in Naruto, I don&#39;t think that he is undefeatable. There is Gaara&#39;s demon, Gamma Bunta, and lot&#39;s of strong Ninja&#39;s in the Leaf village for the Kyubi to contend with</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>kyuubi is the most powerful being that we know in the series. nothing can beat it. not yet.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>it would be BAD for sasuke to be the one to kill itachi........
remember how everyone keeps going on about a life of just revenge will be empty after the goal is accomplished? (or maybe just kakashi said that)

i would expect naruto to kill itachi after sasuke comes to the realization that revenge isnt a goal worth having in life </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
what? dude, no. why the hell would naruto kill itachi? also, sasuke isn&#39;t gonna kill itachi out of revenge, he&#39;s gonna kill him because he has to (ie, save someone). sauske has to kill itachi no matter what his reason is. if anyone else kills him, then...naruto won&#39;t become the hokage.

[Hotsuma]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Insomniac @ Jan 14 2004, 03:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> the whole reason Itachi is in the series is to give Sasuke a goal to reach.
if he dies to Naruto then the whole reason for Sasukes existance is gone, just as if Sasuke became hokage, Narutos life would be over.


also it quite cleary said only one of the same blood can defeat the mange sharigan. Which means ONLY Sasuke


(ignoring the possibility of Orochimaru taking over Sasukes body that is) </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Exactly. I don&#39;t know why so many idiot fanboys think Naruto will kill Itachi, or even dream of it. So what if he has the Kyuubi. It&#39;s not like he&#39;ll use it to do every little thing in the series.

[Insomniac]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Insomniac: While the Kyubi may be the most powerful being in Naruto, I don&#39;t think that he is undefeatable. There is Gaara&#39;s demon, Gamma Bunta, and lot&#39;s of strong Ninja&#39;s in the Leaf village for the Kyubi to contend with. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

It took on the whole of Kohona. killed alot of them too and it didnt look like it was going to stop anytime soon, it took the 4th sealing it (not fighting it) to win.
Basically this tells us that you cannot beat the Kyuubi in a fight

Gamabunta is no where near as strong as the Kyuubi as just its tails were enough to destroy trees, and hes got 9 tails http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/dry.gif

the reason why theres such a big deal about the Kyuubi is if it ever returns there will be no one to stop it, now that the 3rd and 4th are gone. It would destroy each village systematically

[Hotsuma]

I don&#39;t think Gama Bunta is as powerful as people make him out to be. The 4th was riding atop his head in his battle against the Kyuubi, but still lost with everything he had. Gama Bunta. Jutsus. All of Konoha.

Now, what I&#39;m wondering is.. where were the other villages when Kyuubi was released?

[Insomniac]

villages probably would not come to assist because they&#39;re fearing that other hostile villages will invade while they are off battling the kyuubi

the whole continent is in a state of near war all the time

[Legendary Nin]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Insomniac @ Jan 14 2004, 12:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> and all the stupid people in it that claim that Itachi&#39;s stronger then the 1st 2nd and 3rd put together http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/dry.gif </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
When you start to do math with characters powers,it gets stupid.He&#39;s not a god,but strong.And my refernce to calling him god,it was just to be catchy for the fanbase thread.Just like people consider Rock Lee,Naruto,Hinata etc a god.It seems people are taking it out of context.I consider him very strong,one of the strongest,if not,the strongest to come so far.But no one character is &quot;god&quot;.Might as well clear that up as well.Not that it was taken out of context in this thread.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Now, what I&#39;m wondering is.. where were the other villages when Kyuubi was released? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Most likely waiting for Leafs army to fall,then invade when they are weak.I believe that the treaty wasn&#39;t in place at the time,so it was everyone for themselves sort of speak.

[Insomniac]

even if the treaty was in place i&#39;m not sure they would have helped out because it seems everyones just waiting for a chance to attack (sand etc)
most villages are jealous of kohona getting all the jobs

[itachi_]

If Naruto summon Gamabunta and reaches most of the kyubi&#39;s chakra (he hasen&#39;t got much chakra from kyubi yet) he&#39;ll probably be a match for Itachi... Maybe he&#39;ll win, but then he&#39;s gotta have 100 % of the original kyubi chakra though.

[Insomniac]

No one is a match for the raw power of the Kyuubi, no one.
The 4th didnt actually fight the Kyuubi he just sealed it

no matter how good Itachi is with one stomp of the Kyuubi in his actual form Itachis dead, have to remember that the Kyuubi isnt a nin or anything, hes a monster and hes the size of a stadium.
if Naruto ever gets 100% of the Kyuubi power theres no one that&#39;ll stop him or even come close

[Harageki]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Insomniac @ Jan 14 2004, 10:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> no matter how good Itachi is with one stomp of the Kyuubi in his actual form Itachis dead, have to remember that the Kyuubi isnt a nin or anything, hes a monster and hes the size of a stadium.
if Naruto ever gets 100% of the Kyuubi power theres no one that&#39;ll stop him or even come close </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
True, tho Naruto in Kyubi would be dumb in a way...there wouldnt be anyone in the entire series that could stop him. Its like being invincible. How dull would that become?

[Hotsuma]

Given how dull Naruto&#39;s fights already are? Pretty damn dull all right.

But, I do agree. The Kyuubi is a bullshit power that takes away any creativity Naruto can use in his fights.

&quot;Well, I&#39;m losing. Better use my uber power and start rushing down, and still win.&quot;

Btw, Naruto could never contain all of Kyuubi&#39;s power.

[itachi_]

Right Hotsuma... He got like no tactics when he archieve kyubi&#39;s chakra... just look at naruto vs neji, just ran into him and took heavily damage by himslef also...

[Insomniac]

Narutos rasengen isnt enough to impress me, he still has no style at all.
everything he does is just charge at the enemy and do an attack that you can see coming at least 20 seconds before he hits (i&#39;m sure ninjas would know how to avoid a straight on punch or kick) he looks like hes a little 5 year old fighting with the &#39;techniques&#39; he uses.

Even Sakura out did Naruto in style, although alot of people will disgree just on the fact that they&#39;re girls and they&#39;re &#39;weak&#39; - also because they both liked Sasuke and all the Naruto fans automatically hate Sasuke likers, and love Hinata http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/dry.gif

i&#39;m not really a fan of the unstoppable character (although there are several ways to stop Naruto that i&#39;m sure they&#39;ll forget to do, such as the remaining sound nin sealing his kyuubi up... I MEAN GEEZ THEY EVEN SAID THEMSELVES THEY&#39;RE MASTER SEALERS) ahem anyway http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif
thats kind of why i cant jump on the Itachi bandwagon, that and all the stupid people in it that claim that Itachi&#39;s stronger then the 1st 2nd and 3rd put together http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/dry.gif

[Assertn]

it would be BAD for sasuke to be the one to kill itachi........
remember how everyone keeps going on about a life of just revenge will be empty after the goal is accomplished? (or maybe just kakashi said that)

i would expect naruto to kill itachi after sasuke comes to the realization that revenge isnt a goal worth having in life

[Legato 2057]

Just thought i would add my 2 cents to this thread:

AssertnFailure: Naruto will never kill Itachi. I&#39;mnot saying that he won&#39;t have the power when the time comes, but he just does not have it in him to kill another human being.

Insomniac: While the Kyubi may be the most powerful being in Naruto, I don&#39;t think that he is undefeatable. There is Gaara&#39;s demon, Gamma Bunta, and lot&#39;s of strong Ninja&#39;s in the Leaf village for the Kyubi to contend with.

[Harageki]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Legato 2057 @ Jan 14 2004, 12:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Just thought i would add my 2 cents to this thread:

AssertnFailure: Naruto will never kill Itachi. I&#39;mnot saying that he won&#39;t have the power when the time comes, but he just does not have it in him to kill another human being.

Insomniac: While the Kyubi may be the most powerful being in Naruto, I don&#39;t think that he is undefeatable. There is Gaara&#39;s demon, Gamma Bunta, and lot&#39;s of strong Ninja&#39;s in the Leaf village for the Kyubi to contend with. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Dude, why do you think everyone always makes such a giant deal about Kyubi? hes not so highly regarded for nothin. I bet he could make mince meat out of Gaaras demon, and Gama Bunta would be owned too. I mean..this demon is crazy strong.

[Hotsuma]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Legendary Nin @ Jan 14 2004, 09:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Insomniac &#064; Jan 14 2004, 12:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> and all the stupid people in it that claim that Itachi&#39;s stronger then the 1st 2nd and 3rd put together http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/dry.gif </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
When you start to do math with characters powers,it gets stupid.He&#39;s not a god,but strong.And my refernce to calling him god,it was just to be catchy for the fanbase thread.Just like people consider Rock Lee,Naruto,Hinata etc a god.It seems people are taking it out of context.I consider him very strong,one of the strongest,if not,the strongest to come so far.But no one character is &quot;god&quot;.Might as well clear that up as well.Not that it was taken out of context in this thread.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Now, what I&#39;m wondering is.. where were the other villages when Kyuubi was released? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Most likely waiting for Leafs army to fall,then invade when they are weak.I believe that the treaty wasn&#39;t in place at the time,so it was everyone for themselves sort of speak. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
But you&#39;re wrong. Naruto in Kyuubi mode is god-like&#33; He can summon Gama Bunta, and do continous Rasengans&#33; And heal&#33;

[Boogster]

Guys. Naruto is a strong, and in my opinion, one of the more interesting characters.

Certain Rock Lee fans forget how much he is like Rock Lee. In terms of upbringing, aims, and character.

I like Naruto. I don&#39;t think his fights are boring.

[Pyr0]

Maybe those sound nins don&#39;t know the seal to seal tha Kyuubi? Yeah, they said they&#39;re master sealers, but yeah two of them are down already. And what did they say along the fight?
By saying that those loser sound nins could seal Kyuubi, you mean that those are on the same level as the 4th in sealing jutsus? That jutsu that the 4th used is knowed only by him and the 3rd or should i say was known. And i don&#39;t think you can make better sealing jutsu than that. If you can, it means that there&#39;re stronger nins than 3rd and 4th as they could only make a jutsu that kills the maker in the process.

Itachi... Yeah, Orochimaru said he was afraid or something at that time anyway, but what if he would get a new body or at that time when he had Kimimaro? It seems Kimimaro was really strong. And i don&#39;t think Jiraya has shown his strenght yet. He haven&#39;t fought even for real yet. I think he&#39;s at the same level as Orochimaru atleast.
That i what i don&#39;t get is why doesn&#39;t Itachi be his own master? I mean he follows orders so that means there&#39;s someone stronger that him or he is just a bigbigwussy. He doesn&#39;t seem to have any goals except to die (insomniac http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/wink.gif ) atleast it seems so. All goals we&#39;ve seen is to get naruto for that weird organization.

[Insomniac]

yeah i know, thats the main reason i dont like him

whats the point of watching an unstoppable character, its abit boring.

[Insomniac]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>By saying that those loser sound nins could seal Kyuubi, you mean that those are on the same level as the 4th in sealing jutsus? That jutsu that the 4th used is knowed only by him and the 3rd or should i say was known.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Nononononono.
Orochimaru sealed the Kyuubi remember? in the forest of death. I&#39;m talking about THAT kind of sealing technique - not a full seal but one on Naruto&#39;s stomach.

[Legato 2057]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pyr0 @ Jan 15 2004, 01:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> That i what i don&#39;t get is why doesn&#39;t Itachi be his own master? I mean he follows orders so that means there&#39;s someone stronger that him or he is just a bigbigwussy. He doesn&#39;t seem to have any goals except to die (insomniac http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/wink.gif ) atleast it seems so. All goals we&#39;ve seen is to get naruto for that weird organization. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Just because you are a strongfighter, doesn&#39;t mean that you should be the leader.

Take the Military for example, the best soldiers are the S.E.A.L.s, but they still have to follow the orders of the President.

[Death BOO Z]

hotsuma, you were sarcastic, right?

Naruto isn&#39;t unstoppable in his Kyubi mode, Orochimaru took care of him with great ease, and even Kisama just counter attacked the chackra with his sword...

If naruto will kill defeat someone soon, you can bet it&#39;ll be by his own power, cuz one super power transformation victory should be enough to any anime...


but ofcourse you were cynical and sarcastic, cuz you don&#39;t write like that usually...

[Insomniac]

of course Hotsuma was http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif

as for Naruto, whenever it comes down to it the enemies conviently forget how to beat him.

Against Neji when he stood there getting the Kyuubi chakra - Neji could have just easily hit him again and he wouldnt to focus on channeling

and in the up coming sound nin fight - if Naruto goes Kyuubi and none of the sound nin seal him then thats just really REALLY STUPID

they said beforehand to Sasuke that they were masters at sealing and ANY BET they forget how to when they face Naruto.