Fall Season 2024

[MFauli]

Only 2-3 episodes remaining for many Summer-anime, so a good time to look at the Fall season of 2024!

Link to Anichart: https://anichart.net/Fall-2024



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Anime I'm interested in:

- ReZero Season 3 (fucking FINALLY)
- Blue Lock Season 2 (will hate watch)
- Uzumaki (very skeptical about the dumb artstyle chosen for this adaptation, but the manga was great, so ofc gonna watch this)
- Sword Art Online Alternative: Gun Gale Online Season 2 (no idea, will probably be shit with great animation)
- Dragon Ball Daima (I still don't know if this is a continuation of Super or not)
- Hitoribocchi no Isekai Kouryaku (sounds weird)
- Ranma 1/2 (will watch to see how censored this version is)
- Tsuma, Shougakusei ni Naru (let's see whether we get a visit from the FBI for watching this!)
- Chi.: Chikyuu no Undou ni Tsuite (that looks and sounds very good)
- Shin Tennis no Ouji-sama: U-17 WORLD CUP SEMIFINAL (will be low quality-crap, but at this point I'll watch any Prince of Tennis-anime)


A promising season for once.

[Ryllharu]

Will Watch:
Uzumaki - Dumb art style? Did you mean faithful?
Ranma 1/2 - Who cares if it is censored? I just want to see them finish it without filler. The pace of the manga is close to perfect and much better than the original anime run.
Raise wa Tanin ga Ii (Yakuza Fiance) - Violent crime romance? Hell yes.

Will Try:
Dan Da Dan - Never got into the manga before mangaplus locked out the middle chapters, but fans seem to like it.
Kabushikigaisha Magilumiere - Magical girls treated like a salary business is intriguing if well executed.
Mahou Tsukai ni Narenakatta Onnanoko no Hanashi. - Interesting premise as well. Know nothing at all about the series. Retro style.
Kimi wa Meido-sama - Former assassin maid isn't that unique of a premise (plenty of variants), but mostly in it for Ueda Reina's performance. She's always good at those kind of two-faced roles.

[DarthEnderX]

Yes:

Re: Zero
Dandadan
Bleach
Shangi-la Frontier
DanMachi

I'll watch Dragon Ball, even though it looks GT as fuck.

[Death BOO Z]

Will watch because I follow the manga:
- Dandadan - great urban fantasy, I hope it keeps the unique style.
- Raise wa Tanin ga li - I had a hard time following the story, so maybe this will make it easier
- Kabushiki Gaisha Magi Lumiere - it's a fantasy that people can find a good company to work for.

Might watch:
- 365 Days to the wedding - i read it, it has some good parts, but I'm not sure if it benefits from an anime
- Ao no Miburo - will try one episode, see if it's any good. I might bump it up just to have something new to watch, rather than stuff I already know.

Will eventually binge:
- Uzumaki

Why is this a thing?
- Ranma reboot - one of the first animes I've watched, but I have zero interest in re-visiting it again.
- Prince of Tennis - I watched nearly 100 episodes of the original anime, only to eventually realize that there's nothing there. I occasionally read a manga chapter if it pops up, and it's still devoid of story.

[MFauli]

The Prince of Tennis-MANGA is still ongoing?! 0_o

[Kraco]

I'm still a big Danmachi fan, so that goes without saying. There's a truckload of fantasy series, it seems, which suits me just fine. I'll pick a couple of them. Such as Rekishi ni Nokoru Akujo ni Naruzo, just because villainess series are pretty funny.


- Hitoribocchi no Isekai Kouryaku (sounds weird)


If memory serves, I read the manga adaptation of this for a little while before dropping it. It disappointed me for reasons that were very evident from early on (which I suppose is a good thing, allowing me to avoid not get too invested in it). However, our tastes often differ, so possibly the things that annoy me won't affect you.

[Death BOO Z]

The Prince of Tennis-MANGA is still ongoing?! 0_o

apparently it finished, but there's a continuation called "new prince of tennis", which is what the anime is going to be based on.

[KrayZ33]

I'm glad that so many games release soon.
Except for Re:Zero, which I'm sure I won't even enjoy, there is nothing in it for me.

[Buffalobiian]

Thunderbolt Fantasy is getting an S4? I'm ready.

I need to catch up on like... 4 seasons of Natsume's book of friends, but I do like that show.

Danmachi and Re:zero are sequels I'll be keeping up with.

As for the "My late wife reincarnated as an elementary school student" show... it sounds wrong but I'm curious to see how they can make it into an upstanding show.

[shinta|hikari]

Sequels I am looking forward to:
Re:Zero - Obvious choice.
Shangrila Frontier - Amazing first season with great visuals and action.
Danmachi - Always nice. Should have lots of waki with focus on Freya.
Tensei Kizoku - Surprised by its first season. The main character has no power but has a retinue of capable minions.
Kamonohashi Ron - Nice detective show.
Rurouni Kenshin Remake - ​Look at my username.

New shows I will definitely try:
Kima wa Meido-sama - I love assassin/warrior turned whatever stories, like Violet Evergarden.
Kekkon surutte - Hopefully mature. Reminds me of the live action series We Married as a Job.
Tsuma shogakusei ni naru - Nice.
Ranma 1/2 - Not sure if a remake counts as new, but I will watch this so my wife can see anime I grew up with but not have to tolerate the aged animation.

[MFauli]

Hitoribocci Kyouryoku de Isekai episode 1:

Why is generic shit like this being made? "Because isekai are popular, duh". But seriously. So many better manga waiting for an adaptation and this shit gets it :/

[MFauli]

NegaPosi Episode 1:

Was looking forward to this, episode 1 was a mixed bad. I do like the fishing aspects and the premise of a deathly ill hero is also intriguing. But two things irked me wrong: First, and that was super offputting, was how the very first scene is an attempted suicide that'S played off as "funny". FUCK YOU JAPAN. :/ There's nothing funny about someone who's at the point of trying to kill himself. Spare me the "funny faces" bs. Almost dropped the anime right there. Serious question: Is this anime from the makers of Zombie 100? Same cognitive dissonance and lack of empathy, sigh.

Then the second annoying, albeit lesser thing was how the doctor worded himself when he told the hero he's gonna die. He said something like "you'll probably die from it". OK. So there's a probability he won't die. Which in anime context means HE WILL SURVIVE GUARANTEEDLY. That wording immediately ruined the entire premise for me, because now I know he's gonna survive this. Which wouldn't be a problem per se. I'd be okay with it if the hero later on gets a call from the doctor saying "we saw your recent results and it's actually looking better. Maybe there's a chance you'll recover". That'd be fine. But don't fucking give it away at the start of the first episode, sigh.

THAT ASIDE, and I'll spare you my rant about the dumb shark loans, once we got to fishing, THAT was nice. Both the fishing itself and the other characters. I hope that's what the anime will focus on.

[MFauli]

Decided to drop Blue Lock Season 2 about 10 seconds into episode 1. I just can't do it anymore. The overuse of "special eyes" is so cringe. First soccer anime in years I won't watch.

[Buffalobiian]

MF Ghost is back for a season two.

I'm just happy watching street cars go vroom. I'm happy that Kanata and FMC thus far have a healthier relationship than the pairing in Initial D.

[Ryllharu]

Ranma 1/2 - Comedic timing dead on flawless and shows immediately why the series is Takahashi's comedy-action masterpiece. Cast is nearly outside of their former range in some cases but it is a bit of a testament to their talent. The censorship is overblown, the nipples were always just fanservice anyway. Will Watch

Raise wa Tanin ga Ii - There's been a lot of fluffy and heartwarming yakuza media lately. Nice to get an actually dangerous and violent crime-romance. Will watch

Dan Da Dan - Really enjoying the comedic timing here too. The main duo are really good performance wise and have great chemistry. It's charming, it already knows how to hit the intriguing hooks and more tender flashbacks. All around winner. Will watch

Kabushikigaisha Magilumiere - My main complaint is lack of subs/rips. Amazon is horrifically bad at airing anime. Shitty sub format, bad translations, no intro-skip but also cuts the ED and post-ED scenes to skip to the next episode or auto play some other series. As for the series itself, the enemies are a little generic, but salaried Techo-Magical girls crossed with a business series was a successful hook for me. Scratches the same realism itch that Magical Girl Spec-Ops Asuka did without the pervy fucked up shit and PTSD. Will watch

Mahou Tsukai ni Narenakatta Onnanoko no Hanashi - Straight shoujo and felt very Precure. Lacked the universal appeal of both the older shoujo fantasy magical girl series and the more recent Little Witch Academia. Dropped.

Kimi wa Meido-sama - First episode was shockingly bad. Generic premise. Unengaging characters and designs. No hook to speak of. Mahoro was heaps better starting off. People imply it goes quite a bit harder at moments as the series progresses, but I can't see myself sticking around for a 12-episode series that probably won't get there. One more episode, but likely drop.

[Buffalobiian]

Did the first run of Ranma years ago fail to achieve anything that this series is supposed to accomplish (filler, didn't follow manga etc)?

[Ryllharu]

Did the first run of Ranma years ago fail to achieve anything that this series is supposed to accomplish (filler, didn't follow manga etc)?

There was filler because the manga was still running. Over a third (but under a half) of the first run of the anime was filler.

Even with 143 episodes and 11 OVAs, I don't believe the original anime got fully through Volume 22 of 38. The OVAs touch a few of the additional arcs from later, but barely cover the content in the high 20s, skipping some one-off chapters and mini arcs that are also great. They only barely get to Ranma's mother appearing and don't resolve that plot thread and especially don't conclude Ranma and Akane's relationship, which is very pleasant.

[MFauli]

So is this a full-remake or a lazy remake? I've seen comparisons where scenes were taken 1:1 from the old anime, just with the new style. Is that it?

Also censored nipples? Sigh. I assume Happousei will be cut entirely then.

[Ryllharu]

So is this a full-remake or a lazy remake? I've seen comparisons where scenes were taken 1:1 from the old anime, just with the new style. Is that it?
Full remake, hopefully it covers the rest of the series that the original never got to by cutting out the previous 50-60 episodes of filler. Some of the scenes look the same because...surprise...they're the same in the manga and were adapted the same way first. The animation is cleaned up and a bit smoother in some spots, a bit rougher in others. Just the switch to digital. Overall it looks better.


Also censored nipples? Sigh. I assume Happousei will be cut entirely then.
This is the most fucking overblown whiny complaint at this point.

It's always been blatant fanservice that served no narrative purpose. You wanna see Ranma's nipples? Read any one of tens of thousands of Ranma doujins.

They're not there because Japan's broadcast laws won't allow it for the network/timeslot it is in.

Go bitch about it on MAL.

[MFauli]

Full remake, hopefully it covers the rest of the series that the original never got to by cutting out the previous 50-60 episodes of filler. Some of the scenes look the same because...surprise...they're the same in the manga and were adapted the same way first. The animation is cleaned up and a bit smoother in some spots, a bit rougher in others. Just the switch to digital. Overall it looks better.


This is the most fucking overblown whiny complaint at this point.

It's always been blatant fanservice that served no narrative purpose. You wanna see Ranma's nipples? Read any one of tens of thousands of Ranma doujins.

They're not there because Japan's broadcast laws won't allow it for the network/timeslot it is in.

Go bitch about it on MAL.

Why must nipples 'serve a purpose'?! How silly is that?

If you show naked girls, show nipples or don't show naked girls to begin with. Although if they were naked in the original, I'd want them to be naked for that reason only.

I swear, you're one of those 'why do you want sexy content in video games, just watch porn' idiots. It's not about masturbation. It's about keeping the original intact and creating a more immersive world. I'm currently re-reading GANTZ, and I haven't fapped to any of its sex scenes, but damn, they make everything feel so much more real.

[Ryllharu]

If you show naked girls, show nipples or don't show naked girls to begin with. Although if they were naked in the original, I'd want them to be naked for that reason only.

I swear, you're one of those 'why do you want sexy content in video games, just watch porn' idiots. It's not about masturbation. It's about keeping the original intact and creating a more immersive world. I'm currently re-reading GANTZ, and I haven't fapped to any of its sex scenes, but damn, they make everything feel so much more real.
Maybe if you'd have actually read the manga, you'd know.

The 1993 anime added a lot of fanservice that wasn't ever there to begin with.

[MFauli]

Maou 2099 - Episode 1:


If they keep this serious tone, i might have found another great show for this season. I thought this was going to be more comedy like other anime where a demon lord finds himself in the modern world, but this first episode felt like there's actually gonna be a real plot.

One thing I will always hate about Japanese authors and their "demon lords", however, is how once again we're supposed to empathize with the demon lord. Literally THE most evil being. At least that's what a lord of demons would be typically. In anime, however, it really only means that he's an opponent, a leader of an opposing faction and killing is the worst he'll do. When I think of demon lords, I think of the stuff that happens in, say, BERSERK. But modern anime-demon lords would never do truly evil stuff. And that sucks. Give me true evil when you call yourself "demon lord". Oh well. That's a general complaint I have for many anime featuring "demon lords".

Looking forward to episode 2.

[shinta|hikari]

I'm with Mfauli on this one. I want my sexy girls in anime and games. However, I don't think so because I want the original intact or to see a more immersive world. I just like looking at it.

[Ryllharu]

Yeah...Raise wa Tanin ga Ii is really, really good.

Nice to have a male lead with actual blood on his hands (during the episodes) instead of just being misunderstood or getting into fights for a noble reason.

Yoshino is great in her own right too. She's funny, likeable, smart, and prefers to dress classy while going out. She gets herself into and out of messes quite nicely. No wonder he's falling for her.

[Death BOO Z]

Ao No Miburo first episode.

not bad, not great, judgement pending.
animation seems a bit old fashioned, not too much movement, using pan shots to save frames.

I'm not sure about the necessity of the framing device, but it's still the first episode. based on the opening it looks like a show with a whole bunch of characters, but maybe they expect me to already know half of them and only focus on the made-up heroes.

need to watch a few more episodes.

[MFauli]

Maou 2099 episode 2:

And there goes most of my positive impression, sigh. Lots more focus on comedic moments, and we have a demon lord who's becoming a VTuber now.

I mean, cool, do that. But why make the first episode so serious then? Now we have the n-th variant of "Hataraku Maou". Will still keep watching so far because I'm already hooked, but this is disappointing.

Also dear Japan: Pls stop using "demon lords" as villains when you NEVER depict them as truly evil.

[Death BOO Z]

Ao No Miburo second episode.

still not getting through to me. maybe if I was super into the shinsengumi I would appreciate seeing all the big names. but so far it didn't hook me yet. the stringer scene does intrigue me, maybe we can finally have some actual plot going on.

episode 3:

This was supposed to be the episode that starts things, and it almost does. but it's still so basic... There's no hook to follow on. not a single plot point to get interested in. and the animation is so stale and cheap, which kills whatever excitment there might have been.
next episode introduces a new kid character, which is actually a known member. let's hope the series finds itself.

[Buffalobiian]

MF Ghost S2


Didn't expect to hear Speed Lover again. Cool.

[Death BOO Z]

Ao no Miburo episode 4.

they managed to stumble across a compelling story, it's handled like crap, but at least something interesting. just replace all the characters and we might have a show.

[Buffalobiian]

MF Ghost E21

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Italian pasta better in Japan than London? From what I've heard online, Japan bastardises pasta sauces quite a lot at non dedicated places. Not sure about "authentic" places, and no idea what London's like though.

And they went and turbocharged the 86 ;(. The whole linear throttle response is the charm of the NA. I'd have advocated more for a supercharger. That said, Kanata is running the first gen 86, so I guess you might as well fix the 4K rpm torque dip.

[MFauli]

I mean, what foreign cuisine DOESN'T Japan bastardize?

As a German, seeing what Japanese people sell as "bread" tears my heart.

[Buffalobiian]

As an Asian, I can say that we almost universally dislike hard breads or super sweet breads. Asian bakeries all sell this really really soft bread with the emphasis being mostly on the filling.

[MFauli]

As an Asian, I can say that we almost universally dislike hard breads or super sweet breads. Asian bakeries all sell this really really soft bread with the emphasis being mostly on the filling.

And that's exactly what I hate about Japanese "bread" :D The Fillings. Bread doesn't have a filling. You can add to bread whatever you want after you slice it. Marmelade, Nutella, butter, whatever. But when you fill dough with some sweet melon mass, it turns into sweet pastry. You can enjoy that, but don't call it bread pls.

[MFauli]

As an Asian, I can say that we almost universally dislike hard breads or super sweet breads. Asian bakeries all sell this really really soft bread with the emphasis being mostly on the filling.

And that's exactly what I hate about Japanese "bread" :D The Fillings. Bread doesn't have a filling. You can add to bread whatever you want after you slice it. Marmelade, Nutella, butter, whatever. But when you fill dough with some sweet melon mass, it turns into sweet pastry. You can enjoy that, but don't call it bread pls.

[shinta|hikari]

What about curry pan? It is filled with curry, so not a sweet pastry.

[Buffalobiian]

Btw, pretty sure there's no melon in melon pan. It just looks kind of round with some texture hence melon

[MFauli]

What about curry pan? It is filled with curry, so not a sweet pastry.

DO NOT FILL BREAD

[shinta|hikari]

Btw, pretty sure there's no melon in melon pan. It just looks kind of round with some texture hence melon

Some do, but you are right that it is called melon because of the outer cookie coating. At some point, some makers just decided to add melon in some variations.

@Mfauli - Is this bread opinion a German thing or a you thing?

[MFauli]

Some do, but you are right that it is called melon because of the outer cookie coating. At some point, some makers just decided to add melon in some variations.

@Mfauli - Is this bread opinion a German thing or a you thing?

It's a "my father had his own bakery, is a baker master, and I grew up above a bakery" opinion. And only weirdo-Germans would disagree.

[shinta|hikari]

So it is a German thing. It's so interesting how different cultures see certain foods.

[Death BOO Z]

I don't think we have any filled breads here either.
whole wheat, whole grain, spelt bread... baguettes and pita-breads and challah bread, but not anything that comes with flavour fillings.

we do have bread-based pastries (sweet and not-sweet).

[shinta|hikari]

I think filled breads are more of an Asian thing, even including South and South East Asia.

Japan has anpan, curry pan, cream pan, etc.
Hong Kong has pineapple bun, sausage bun, coconut bun, etc.
Taiwan has taro buns, pork floss buns, black pepper buns, etc.
China has steamed buns, xian bing, shen jiang baos, etc.
Philippines has coconut bread, asado roll, corned beef bread, etc.
India has a parathas, bread pakodas, kulchas, etc.

All of these are considered breads and are stuffed with savory or sweet fillings.

[MFauli]

I think filled breads are more of an Asian thing, even including South and South East Asia.

Japan has anpan, curry pan, cream pan, etc.
Hong Kong has pineapple bun, sausage bun, coconut bun, etc.
Taiwan has taro buns, pork floss buns, black pepper buns, etc.
China has steamed buns, xian bing, shen jiang baos, etc.
Philippines has coconut bread, asado roll, corned beef bread, etc.
India has a parathas, bread pakodas, kulchas, etc.

All of these are considered breads and are stuffed with savory or sweet fillings.

That's the issue, though: All (most?) of those aren't breads. They're snacks. They're 1-portion, handheld foods that you pick up and eat whole in one session.

A bread is something big that you cut off slices from, the stays with you for a couple days and that is a foundation for making dishes from it, whether that's a quick marmelade slice, a sandwhich, as a side for some main dish, or even as an ingredient for a proper main dish.

All those asian "breads" are really buns, intended for instant consumption. That's not the philosophy of bread.

[shinta|hikari]

It is bread according to the most popular definition in English, at least:

bread
/bred/
noun
1.
food made of flour, water, and yeast or another leavening agent, mixed together and baked.
"a loaf of bread"

Looks like as long as it has these components, it is bread. Buns, rolls, etc. fall under the umbrella of bread.

Your definition of "A bread is something big that you cut off slices from, the stays with you for a couple days and that is a foundation for making dishes from it," is a loaf of bread.

[Ryllharu]

So...American bread is bread in its ideal form? The perfect center of sweetened with otherwise unnecessary ingredients and packed with so many preservatives and stabilizers that a loaf of pre-sliced bread can last for over a month without going hard, stale, or developing mold. No other country can boast such longevity and still dare to call it bread.

[KrayZ33]

It is bread according to the most popular definition in English, at least:

bread
/bred/
noun
1.
food made of flour, water, and yeast or another leavening agent, mixed together and baked.
"a loaf of bread"

Looks like as long as it has these components, it is bread. Buns, rolls, etc. fall under the umbrella of bread.

Your definition of "A bread is something big that you cut off slices from, the stays with you for a couple days and that is a foundation for making dishes from it," is a loaf of bread.

the key word is "mixed together".
It's not "bread" if it's not mixed together but separated.. or rather it's "bread with X".
Curry buns are actually filled with curry. So it's not mixed together.
Melon bread on the other hand can be considered bread, although we Germans wouldn't eat it as such, but consider it a snack... but I'm sure asians don't put anything on it either.

In Germany we have "filled bread" as well, it's rather new, but it's not bread. "Handbrot" for example.
I guess the closest, but still different to actual bread would be "Kräuterbaguette", which is basically a variation of garlic bread, directly translated it means "herb bread/baguette" but I'm not sure if that's actually a thing elsewhere?

Either way, if you ignore the mixed together part:
You may as well call a wellington bread, or crossaints bread if you consider curry buns as "bread"
Or Pizza, which includes bread, but isn't classified as "bread"-bread. If that makes sense.


Btw... I've never tasted Melonpan, but what I THINK they'll taste similar to is
"Streuselbrötchen".
Which is awesome soft, sweet bakery in form of Brötchen/bread, which are snacks.
And then there is Milchbrötchen, which is different but also sweet and soft, but also just a snack.


edit:
If I'm not mistaken, to be considered bread, you are actually only allowed to have X% amount of fats and sugar vs wheat ratio. Something like that.
That's why crossaints is pastry and not bread, too much fat. (Same with donuts)

[MFauli]

It is bread according to the most popular definition in English, at least:

bread
/bred/
noun
1.
food made of flour, water, and yeast or another leavening agent, mixed together and baked.
"a loaf of bread"

Looks like as long as it has these components, it is bread. Buns, rolls, etc. fall under the umbrella of bread.

Your definition of "A bread is something big that you cut off slices from, the stays with you for a couple days and that is a foundation for making dishes from it," is a loaf of bread.

Buns aren't bread.

There's bread. And there's buns. Buns are for immediate consumption for a single person. Bread is there to stay.

That's why call bread "Brot" in Germany, and buns are "Semmeln". Different things.

Edit 1: WTF, Kray is German, too?!

Fake-Edit 2: WTF, he says "Brötchen" instead of "Semmel". OF COURSE >_>

[shinta|hikari]

I said the English definition, since we are conversing in English and discussing definitions. I'm sure Germans have a different way of defining bread, just like Asians do.

Croissants are not bread due to the high amount of fat. Those are considered pastries even in English. However, the items I did mention do not fall into the pastry category. They are simply stuffed bread.

As for melon pan, while the outside is a cookie dough crust, the inside is plain bread.

@Krayz - The mixed together part of the definition refers specifically to the "flour, water, and yeast or another leavening agent," not other ingredients that many breads do have.

I'm not trying to redefine anything by the way. Just google "Is melon pan bread?" and it says yes. BTW, pan in Japan literally means bread, exemplifying what I said was interesting, which is "Different cultures define foods differently."

To clarify, I understand Germans define bread differently, and that is also absolutely valid.

[KrayZ33]

@Krayz - The mixed together part of the definition refers specifically to the "flour, water, and yeast or another leavening agent," not other ingredients that many breads do have.

Not sure if we are talking about two different things here.

The definition is about how the dough is created.
Curry buns (they are buns anyway, not bread) are part bread + something else. Thus no longer bread.
Just like a pizza is part bread + something else.
It's the *exact* same thing with that dish.
You don't call pizza "bread" or a "bun", do you?


As mentioned, Melon buns probably taste similar to Streuselbrötchen, which is basically sweet bread.
Those at least are buns, and they can technically be made as bread although you wouldn't do that.


Even the english language seperates breads from buns btw.
With the same definition MFauli gave.
Not that it's important or anything. (I consider this discussion a meme)

[shinta|hikari]

I went through this before, but in English, buns are under the larger umbrella of bread. Wikipedia for Bun starts with this: "A bun is a type of bread roll, typically filled with savory fillings (for example hamburger)."

And this is the wikipedia entry for bread roll (bolding mine):
"A bread roll is a small, often round loaf of bread served as a meal accompaniment (eaten plain or with butter). A roll can be served and eaten whole or cut transversely and dressed with filling between the two halves. Rolls are also commonly used to make sandwiches similar to those produced using slices of bread. A bun is a small, sometimes sweet, bread, or bread roll. Though they come in many shapes and sizes, they are most commonly hand-sized or smaller, with a round top and flat bottom."

So in English, it is not a separate thing but more of a subclass.

As for the mixed together thing, this is what I was referring to:
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The mixed together in the dictionary quote I wrote is specifically referring to the "flour, water, and yeast or another leavening agent," part of the definition. It is unrelated to what you wrote about having other stuff mixed in, like stuffing, etc. To be clear, that definition does not disqualify anything just because it isn't mixed together. It is simply specifying that the flour, water, and yeast/leavening agent are mixed.

As for pizza, the dough/crust is technically bread, but as a whole it is not. It is simply a pizza, just like how a hamburger has a bun, which is a bread in English as I specified above, but is not bread, and is instead called a hamburger.

I get why this can get confusing with the stuffed breads. The difference is kind of arbitrary, since even a calzone, which is essentially a stuffed bread dough, is NOT considered bread. English is super messy that way. To be clear, I am not saying this is the ideal state of bread definition, especially considering how confusing it can be, but it is indeed the current state. It is an observation on my part, not a prescription.

I imagine Germans have a much better and clearer classification, as you guys mentioned.

[MFauli]

I went through this before, but in English, buns are under the larger umbrella of bread. Wikipedia for Bun starts with this: "A bun is a type of bread roll, typically filled with savory fillings (for example hamburger)."

And this is the wikipedia entry for bread roll (bolding mine):
"A bread roll is a small, often round loaf of bread served as a meal accompaniment (eaten plain or with butter). A roll can be served and eaten whole or cut transversely and dressed with filling between the two halves. Rolls are also commonly used to make sandwiches similar to those produced using slices of bread. A bun is a small, sometimes sweet, bread, or bread roll. Though they come in many shapes and sizes, they are most commonly hand-sized or smaller, with a round top and flat bottom."

So in English, it is not a separate thing but more of a subclass.

As for the mixed together thing, this is what I was referring to:
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The mixed together in the dictionary quote I wrote is specifically referring to the "flour, water, and yeast or another leavening agent," part of the definition. It is unrelated to what you wrote about having other stuff mixed in, like stuffing, etc. To be clear, that definition does not disqualify anything just because it isn't mixed together. It is simply specifying that the flour, water, and yeast/leavening agent are mixed.

As for pizza, the dough/crust is technically bread, but as a whole it is not. It is simply a pizza, just like how a hamburger has a bun, which is a bread in English as I specified above, but is not bread, and is instead called a hamburger.

I get why this can get confusing with the stuffed breads. The difference is kind of arbitrary, since even a calzone, which is essentially a stuffed bread dough, is NOT considered bread. English is super messy that way. To be clear, I am not saying this is the ideal state of bread definition, especially considering how confusing it can be, but it is indeed the current state. It is an observation on my part, not a prescription.

I imagine Germans have a much better and clearer classification, as you guys mentioned.

In Germany, the umbrella term would probably be "pastry". Bread and buns are both pastry. But a bread is not a bun nor vice versa.

[Buffalobiian]

This is interesting, especially with you two Germans chiming in.

I've got a German colleague who got onto the topic of baking one time and said he wanted some bread. I directed him to the hospital cafeteria and he said that wasn't real bread. I didn't pursue.

I don't have any real understanding of bread and my own understanding is based on the Chinese character bao (包), and bread is just called 麵包 (wheat bao). To me, wheat + water + make it rise = some type of bread, but I get that this is a very basic understanding. Wiki link for chinese bao calls it a bun, which I also agree with.

What I don't quite get, is that the difference between bun and bread is apparently size and number of servings? So if I just made a basketball sized bun, that's now bread?

Pizza dough apparently has higher gluten than regular bread dough.

And when I was young, we had this thing at the supermarket called Pizza Bread, which was actually some toppings that you'd commonly find on pizzas placed on a bun.

[Kraco]

buns are "Semmeln". Different things.


So, that's where the Finnish "sämpylä" comes from. Interesting. In Finnish this refers to single-portion bread that isn't sweet and doesn't contain anything extra, like filling. The dough is similar to bread dough, they are just baked small. If it's sweet, it's not bread in Finnish anymore, it's called "pulla". "Pulla" is also yeast leavened, but it contains added sugar, fat, and may be filled with different sorts of flavours, like vanilla, cinnamon, etc. It's also often rolled for a fancier structure and to spread the possible filling. A cinnamon roll is a good example of "pulla". As far as the non-sweet proper bread in Finnish extends, you can mix stuff like seeds or crushed nuts into the dough, adding some nutritional value to the bread. Most bread sold contain only simple flour, though.

All in all, MFauli's German definition of bread sounds fitting, which is not surprising considering the history of Europe.

Much of this whole discussion seems to derive from the inaccurate nature of the English language. The number of words in English is huge, as one would expect from a language of the former largest empire in the world and that still is the main language of trade, technology, and science. Yet at the same time, the English doesn't really bother to be accurate at all with many things. Every baking product that's leavened (usually with yeast, I'd assume, but I bet that's not a strict requirement either) is lazily called bread.

[David75]

My understanding from my experience, ie my limited opinion and regional culture:
-bread is a base product from flour/salt/water and added yeast (also works with naturally occurring yeast, but longer, more difficult,,more risks)
-Comes in many sizes and shapes for many uses/occasions and also regional customs
-uses many types of flours and mixes.
Then you have special breads: seeds, or color of the flour. Usually the more refined the flour, the whiter and less tasty the bread.

And then you have variations with spices, bits of meat and many more variations coming with bread composed names or totally dedicated names

As for melon pan, sorry but this is a cake... or a variation of one,

[shinta|hikari]

What is up with Europeans and imposing your food ideas and definitions on everyone else lol.

Instead of "In France, melon pan is considered a cake, definitely not bread," you say "As for melon pan, sorry but this is a cake... or a variation of one."

@Kraco - It's not just English, that just so happened to be the language we are using here. Asian breads, which is where this all started, definitely consider their buns, stuffed flatbreads, rolls, etc. as bread.

I just remembered Mexico also has a ton of sweet buns or rolls they call bread (https://www.mamalatinatips.com/es/2023/04/recetas-pan-dulce-mexicano.html). Bread in Spanish is Pan, just like Japan, even though Japan got their word from the Portugese word pao. This now reminds me that Pão de queijo, my favorite Brazilian cheese roll, literally has bread in its name.

[MFauli]

Just for full disclosure:

While I think "Semmel" should be the proper German word for "bun", there's various synonyms depending on which region of Germany you are in. So known German words for "bun" that I know and all mean the same are:

- Semmel
- Schrippe
- Wecken
- Brötchen
- and probably more

However, I have a big disdain against the term "Brötchen", because it's just a cutification of the word "Brot" which is "bread" in German. And there's no need to use a cutified word when we have proper words for distinct things. We don't say "Autochen" to small cars, either.

Not sure if this is easily understood in English, is there cute version for English words that consists of a simple affix?

[shinta|hikari]

No, we use mini-, a prefix. I guess some use the suffix -ling (https://membean.com/roots/ling-small), like duckling, but it is used in very limited ways. You don't say breadling, for example.

[Kraco]

What is up with Europeans and imposing your food ideas and definitions on everyone else lol.

I suppose because bread is such a big deal in Europe? Like rice is in much of Asia.


It's not just English, that just so happened to be the language we are using here. Asian breads, which is where this all started, definitely consider their buns, stuffed flatbreads, rolls, etc. as bread.

East Asia might not have emphasized bread quite as much as Europe, I suppose. China has had wheat for a long, long time, since prehistory, apparently, but the cuisines of China are so varied that I reckon the European sort of bread wasn't anything remarkable in comparison to everything else, assuming it existed there. Japanese masses only began to consume it more during the 20th century, by the looks of it.


I just remembered Mexico also has a ton of sweet buns or rolls they call bread (https://www.mamalatinatips.com/es/2023/04/recetas-pan-dulce-mexicano.html). Bread in Spanish is Pan, just like Japan, even though Japan got their word from the Portugese word pao. This now reminds me that [/COLOR]Pão de queijo, my favorite Brazilian cheese roll, literally has bread in its name.

A fair point about Spanish and Portuguese. I don't speak them, so I didn't think so far, only staring at English since the dicussing had turned to it when I joined. Europeans disagreeing with each other is the most natural thing in the world, though.

Edit: One particular thing to mention, I'd say, is that sweet bread would not have been overly abundant in the historical times. Honey was basically the only source of excessive sweetness before industrial sugar. There's only so much honey common people in the distant past would have had available. In that sense, overly sweet "bread" is quite a modern thing, mostly, apart from the experiments among the aristocracy. Otherwise it would have been up to fruits and berries to taste sweetness.

[David75]

Sorry I forgot a smiley with my poke :-)
And all of it was my limited opinion. As for melon pan, the sugar contents, texture and overall taste and eating experience is in my pastries/desserts category.
But other people or cultures are free to categorize otherwise.
I'm both French from my father and Portuguese from my mother: true, Portuguese people like their sugar everywhere :-). Segafredo even coats their coffee beans with sugar when roasting.

[shinta|hikari]

The comment about Europeans was in jest, as well. I know you of all people aren't German.

[KrayZ33]

However, I have a big disdain against the term "Brötchen", because it's just a cutification of the word "Brot" which is "bread" in German. And there's no need to use a cutified word when we have proper words for distinct things. We don't say "Autochen" to small cars, either.


That's how language works though.
And we use it with a million other words.
The fact that regions have different words für the small version is already showing that Brötchen is the better word, because everyone knows what Brot is because Brot on the other hand is used everywhere, even in Austria and Switzerland.

Dreierbrotchen, Hutzel, Kipfl, Laabla, Laib, Polltaube, Rundstück, Schrippe, Schuster, Weck, Wecke, Wecken, Zeile, Zeilensemmel

vs

Brötchen which means small bread. G_G.
It's super efficient too:

1 Brötchen
5 Brötchen
einmal zwei halbe Hahn.

[Death BOO Z]

maybe we have "strict" rules for what counts as bread because it's part of religious ceremonies?
Jewish faith makes a big deal about eating bread over sabbath. Christianity has the "bread as the body of Christ" thing. so I think that impacts how we view bread as thing you consume with others (a loaf of bread), with everything else being off-shoots and schisms.

Hebrew also has a female-diminutive suffixed bread
bread is לחם
a personal bun is לחמניה

[shinta|hikari]

That is a really good point and perspective. I am not religious at all, so that didn't even factor into my thinking.

[Death BOO Z]

Ao no Miburo 8th episode.

still forgettable, previous episode did have one good moment, which was completely wasted on a character we don't really know.
animation is lacking, plot is stupid, main character is as annoying as they come, too big a cast, and nothing really happens.

[David75]

MF Ghost E21

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Italian pasta better in Japan than London? From what I've heard online, Japan bastardises pasta sauces quite a lot at non dedicated places. Not sure about "authentic" places, and no idea what London's like though.

And they went and turbocharged the 86 ;(. The whole linear throttle response is the charm of the NA. I'd have advocated more for a supercharger. That said, Kanata is running the first gen 86, so I guess you might as well fix the 4K rpm torque dip.
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Well as the 86 is powered by a subaru 2L flat four, it's quite natural it gets a turbo. And all the parts are easily available thanks to,the brz sibling and I bet lots of aftermarket kits. We have to remember the last car we've seen Takumi driving was a subaru STI... I guess it's some kind of string.

As for the power curve, I'm pretty that for 300hp only it's a very fast spooling small turbo. Probably with an equal length exhaust manifold and twin exhaust turbine. This allows for very fast throttle response and very low lag in the torque/power band. At least it's probably totally unnoticeable compared to using a manual gearbox...
This kind of setting allows for a very linear power curve with no dips or overboost, at least at a very conservative power figure.

[Buffalobiian]

This kind of setting allows for a very linear power curve with no dips or overboost, at least at a very conservative power figure.

Funnily enough the subs translated a line in this episode as "I was surprised by how easy it was to drive in spite of the flat torque curve" when that's exactly what would make it easy to drive.

[shinta|hikari]

Why the fuck are you guys discussing off topic shit instead of bread??

[David75]

Because MF Ghost is the bread and butter of fall 2024 season? :D

[Buffalobiian]

Why the fuck are you guys discussing off topic shit instead of bread??

Orihime eats bread for single serve and pan for multiple serves.

https://i.imgur.com/DTGtzTe.jpeg

[shinta|hikari]

WTF are those top frames???

[MFauli]

Orihime eats bread for single serve and pan for multiple serves.

https://i.imgur.com/DTGtzTe.jpeg

rofl, biting into a whole loaf of toast bread like that. She'd be fat irl.

[KrayZ33]

It's amazing.... and beautiful.
Look at the size of that thing.
Imagine getting a slice. It's bigger than her head - a slice, that is.

[shinta|hikari]

Do Germans ever cut off the crust of their bread? For sandwiches etc.

In Japan, they do that to practically all sandwiches.

[MFauli]

Do Germans ever cut off the crust of their bread? For sandwiches etc.

In Japan, they do that to practically all sandwiches.

Only little children would ask their parents to do this in Germany. Otherwise it's seen both as a huge waste AND the crust is also seen as delicious.

Now, it might be different for pre-packaged toast-sandwhiches, but I don't eat those.

[KrayZ33]

can confirm, I think I did this sometimes when I was like 5 yo or something.
But the crust is basically the best part.
Germans in general eat... harder(?) bread.. or is more robust the better word? Don't know how to call it.
Even though I like white bread as well, I believe rye-wheat bread is the most common and most bought kind of bread, and lots of bread has extra stuff on the crust too, so yeah... like MFauli said.

Perhaps these pre-packaged toast thingies that you can buy in a discounter that only expire after 10 years or whatever are cut, but barely anyone eats those here. I think I ate at most one or two in my life time you basically never see anyone buying them. Not sure how common they are in other countries.
I would have to almost starve to even consider buying them, because there is always a bakery somewhere close with the fresh and better version.

Like seriously, basically no one buys sandwiches in Germany.
It's almost always buns that are prepared by bakeries with salami or cheese etc. if someone wants something on the go.
And of course "Frikadellenbrötchen" ... which is basically a cold hamburger. Not even sure what the english word for that one would be.

[shinta|hikari]

By virtue of them being sold, that means someone is buying them, right? Are they for foreigners or something? Or lunch for kids when parents don't want to prepare any?

[Death BOO Z]

I also see them in super-markets here. never tried them myself, but I guess it's for families with lots of kids and low income.
edit: something like this, but cheaper.
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[KrayZ33]

By virtue of them being sold, that means someone is buying them, right? Are they for foreigners or something? Or lunch for kids when parents don't want to prepare any?

I was thinking about that too, but I really have no idea, it's not like they even get a lot place in the shelf, usually I only see like at most 4-6 of those stocked.
The last time I saw them was in Switzerland, but I'm sure they are here somewhere too.

I remember seeing a vending machine with them, that's freaking disgusting too.

It's awkward too considering that most supermarkets here have a bakery, where you can get really good shit.
Back when I went to school people usually went there in their free time in between hours and got I nice cheesybun with eggs, ham, salad and remoulade sauce etc.

I really don't know how these things survive/can still exist.

[Buffalobiian]

Re: bread:



Not sure how common they are in other countries.

In Australia I'd say this is the default bread. The most common bread. If you asked for bread, this is what you'd get. This was what "bread" was for me for a long time, and anything else in the bakery was "fancy bread". And fancy bread was often hard whenever I tried it as a kid.

https://i.imgur.com/kj1AEX0.jpeg





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MF Ghost ep 23


Kanata's "gender doesn't matter" thing felt forced. Even in situations where gender doesn't matter, the natural response is to just say "Girl. Why?" His response sounded super defensive - as if he knew why. I don't think he did. I just think it was weird.

Ren getting so close to the train tracks was also weird, surely if you're dizzy you sit down but I guess she has the anime fainting syndrome. And you diagnose anemia on a blood test but anyway. Maybe she's had one before.

But all that's done to give Kanata the elbow nerf for this race. :(

Interestingly despite setting Nozomi up as improving faster than her brother, he qualified higher than her on the ladder.

Looks likes a custom dual clutch transmission (https://holinger.com.au/showroom/rd6) for the 86 is possible, but costs like... 25K USD or something lol.

[Buffalobiian]

MF Ghost E24

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No way I'm not hyped if you end the episode saying "All those cars that have overtaken me, I'm going to take catch them all again".

[David75]

So we have to believe he finds a way to shift properly without pain?
Most people had the experience of pain starting after a muscle is colder. When still hot and in use, a mild injury can manifest after some rest.
But I don't remember a debilitating injury getting fine enough you get functionality back without pain.

What I experienced is trying to use other muscles and movements to compensate and avoid immediate and intense pain. But it's not always possible and not very efficient/fast/precise.

In the case we have here, it might be possible to shift without using some fingers. Or shifting with the palm, or with the hand in unusual positions, or without changing the elbow angle. That to lower the pain bursts and intensity.

Now, although I know injury is an integral part of sports and an athlete's career, I admit it gets overused in sports anime.

[Buffalobiian]

The main injury I'm going to suspect is that he has a radial head fracture, since that's the most common elbow fracture in adults. His mechanism is that he jumped right onto train tracks and got Rin out of the way, but that doesn't tell us if his elbow was hurt due to direct impact or some other weird sprain.

I have no idea how he's actually going to make this current problem a no-problem later, unless they're going to nerf everyone else somehow and showcase Kanata's perfect memory and feel for grip again.

[David75]

With a fracture he probably would have had pain much earlier? And not next morning?
Or in the Initial D tradition he learns a better way to shift when faced with trouble in racing conditions.
We've had a lot of shifting animation and my opinion is that he guides the lever too much when I think using the palm would be more efficient, secure and faster.

[Buffalobiian]

With a fracture he probably would have had pain much earlier? And not next morning?
Or in the Initial D tradition he learns a better way to shift when faced with trouble in racing conditions.
We've had a lot of shifting animation and my opinion is that he guides the lever too much when I think using the palm would be more efficient, secure and faster.

He realised he hit something hard with his elbow and it was hurting since at least that afternoon. I think it was hurting since the beginning, he just didn't tell Rin-mama about it, and it hurts most when he's having to do deliberately quick movements.

[Death BOO Z]

Ao No Minuro 11 - it's been a while since I hated a MC in this way. it's like we're back at the oughts' again.

the people in the show don't have any awareness of the things that happen to them or a sense of urgency.

episode 12 - oh, so it's trying to be that kind of show? a bit late.