Zenless Zone Zero - ZZZ

[KrayZ33]

Anyone playing?
The game is seriously fun. I started on release and I absolutely love the way the story is told. The comics are awesome whenever they are there, and the cutscenes are great.

Characters are dripping in style, and it's just such a huge upgrade to Genshin and HSR (back when I played both still)
Hopefully the soundtracks keep up in the future as well.

my favorite character so far:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AMqJU4SNhE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JmdwCmuA0I


I don't think I have to explain the ASSets which are used in this game are phenomenal.
Hey and you can date your characters too... kinda. At least I went to watch a movie with her and had a dinner too, we even held hands, which is basically the same as being married.
Heck, even though I signed something to not speak about it... I even watched porn with her.

And for good measure, a sweet fanmade video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBssTX17aFo


and from DJ Legend Tiesto:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkgtQOlJp0Y

[Ryllharu]

Zhu Yuan is very good (an actually normally adjusted cop without a tragic backstory. Works hard but clocks out on time), but Nicole is hard to best in terms of characterization, as is Ben the Scary Construction Worker Bear who is actually an accountant and his boss Koleda.

The Ether characters are certainly some of my favorites.

My single favorite though? Terrifyingly powerful (in lore) Alexandrina "Rina" Sebastiane, the maid who plays like Psycho Mantis.
https://zzz.gg/_ipx/w_550&q_70/images/IconRole22.png


The bears are really funny in the game. They're literally talking bears that still act like bears who wear clothes and do construction work. Activates some Richard Scarry book memories for me.

[shinta|hikari]

How is the story of this game? Is it just battle after battle type? Or is there actual exploration?

[shinta|hikari]

I tried this out and got Grace on my first 10 draw.

Wakiness.

https://ibb.co/y0qTQqH

[shinta|hikari]

Who is your main team?

Mine is Nekomata, Piper, and Lucy.

I also have Grace, Soldier 11, and Lycaon, but don't use the latter because he is a dood.

[Ryllharu]

Who is your main team?
My primary currently is Zhu Yuan, Nicole, Anby.

You do need two teams. I haven't been able to clear Shiyu Defense 10 because I didn't have any true DPS before Zhu Yuan.

Working on a second, which will be Jane, Rina, Grace for the Disorder composition.

Third will be fire/physical based, assuming I get Caesar and Burnice. I've been building up Koleda recently and have been working on Lucy for a long time. Piper was my old DPS before Zhu Yuan.

I have wolfguy, but since I don't have Ellen, there's no point in running ice comps.

[shinta|hikari]

Are you F2P?

I was thinking of making a fire team with Soldier 11, Koleda, and the bear. Is that one any good?

I'm mainly aiming for waki characters. Unfortunately, all support characters have sleeves...

[Ryllharu]

F2P, but I might have to whale a little to get both Caesar and Burnice.

Soldier 11 is the DPS you need for the team. Ben and Koleda are a little redundant, since they both operate in the role of building daze rapidly. You can use both and run chain attacks more often, or replace one of them with Lucy if you have her (or anyone else that might boost attack or cause debuffs or generate anomaly for Disorder procs).

[shinta|hikari]

I have Lucy, and that's great because I prefer using female characters in virtually anything. Lucy's batting combat is also pretty cool. I love it when the final blow freeze frame is her batting a bear into the enemy, like a walk off home run pose.

Thank you for the advice!

[shinta|hikari]

Also, did you guys know if you go to Piper's Equipment screen, then to Skills, she has a third post with raised arms? Some characters seem to have extra poses specifically for when you do this.

[Ryllharu]

Lucy's batting combat is also pretty cool. I love it when the final blow freeze frame is her batting a bear into the enemy, like a walk off home run pose.

Lucy has some of the best animation details which are normally too fast to catch unless you're focusing on her.
- Normal parry she gets caught by her pigs and pushed back upright
- Strong parry she gets pushed into her pigs and then they all fall over like a cheerleader catch


https://youtu.be/2qwxzi3qMHo


edit:

Ben and Koleda are a little redundant, since they both operate in the role of building daze rapidly. You can use both and run chain attacks more often

I take part of this back, they're not redundant at all. Try the event trial where you use S11, Ben, and Koleda as trial characters and trigger buffs on Defensive Assists.

Holy. Shit.

[shinta|hikari]

Man, her animations are awesome, and the bear aspect is cute.

What makes that fire team good? I don't really understand a lot about the combat because everything has been easy so far. I'm only at level 38.

[Ryllharu]

Are you playing on Challenge mode and pushing either Hollow Zero or Shiyu Defense? It will get a bit more challenging towards endgame, as does trying to hit S-ranks on higher-level resource runs.

What makes that fire team good is their ability to very quickly cause Chain attacks over and over because they generate a large amount of Daze (the yellow bar below an enemy's HP, which trips stuns (goes gray), which starts chain attacks) and being a mono-element team, also cause a fair amount of Anomaly (circle to the right of enemy HP bar) which triggers Burn in their case which is especially great for human enemies because it interrupts their attacks.

Using the switch button when the yellow cross flashes from an enemy's attack triggers a Defensive Assist. Koleda generates a decent of daze when she does a Defensive assist, which costs two slots on your switch UI element. Ben is a Defender, so his Defensive Assists only cost one slot, and they also generate a significant amount of Daze (about as much or more than Koleda doing her stun attacks properly on 2nd/4th hits). Those assist slots refill when you trigger a chain attack.

So if you're good with the Defensive Assists, the end result is triggering chain attacks repeatedly, refilling the assist bar over and over, and leaving the enemy stunned a lot for Solider 11 to capitalize on with her Burst and specials (she needs to be on field the entire time when she's capable of doing fire attacks) at the right moment when the enemy is stunned and taking extra damage and racking up a lot of anomaly even though she's an attacker.

I don't blame you for not understanding the combat. It is very poorly explained in game and all over the internet on the AI copy-paste guides.

Once you know what you're doing, ZZZ combat is super fluid and extremely satisfying.

[shinta|hikari]

Holy fucking shit, I didn't even know the enemies had indicators for those things. I also didn't know that daze causes chain attacks, or that defensive characters have that benefit from Defensive Assists. This game can be so deep for a gacha game.

Thank you for all this. It will actually make my main Nekomata, Piper, and Lucy team better because I understand the mechanics now.

I have not been doing any of the challenging content yet because I've been focusing on the story and agent stories, as well as mats for skills and disc drives. Once I finish Rina's story and the ratgirl's story, I will do the harder content, which will likely require me to use these mechanics to the fullest.

Have you tried playing Wuthering Waves?

[Ryllharu]

I do not and will not ever play WuWa. Not to go full doompost, but I don't expect it to last much longer based on its trajectory.

[shinta|hikari]

I played most of its content until it got repetitive and switched to ZZZ. Both are great IMO, with Wuwa winning exploration and combat vs ZZZ winning style and creativity. Both have relatively weak stories.

I usually only play gacha games for a month or two to try all the content and move on. The main draw is to get to know more characters I can collect as waifus. They always have great character designs.

[shinta|hikari]

@Ryllharu - My new team might be Koleda (when I get her, 30 draws to 300!), Grace, Soldier 11.

The plan is to use Koleda to stun, then drop Grace in to shock, then switch to Soldier 11 to apply burn and disorder. Her attribute bonus will kick in because the enemy is stunned. Does this make sense?

[Ryllharu]

Eh...I don't think Grace gets you much in that composition, and further, the rotation order you're proposing will hurt you immensely.

ZZZ excels in mono-element comps the most. Repeatedly build a single anomaly type, damage reinforces itself, probably a weakness for the enemies you're fighting, and the bangboo will compliment the team's make-up, etc.

The stun window is also limited and where you'll be doing the majority of your damage. You want to stun, buff, and DPS in that order through the chain attacks and land on the DPS in most cases. There's variants of that pattern that either include specific units to boost the DPS or they remove one party member entirely to trigger the bangboo more often, but let's not get into that.

Disorder comps are also a feature of using one or more Anomaly units as the DPS instead of a DPS. The goal of a disorder team is to constantly proc individual anomalies that also pair well (this gets complicated). Not all of them work together (freeze notably doesn't).

Grace is very good at building electric anomaly, though she's slow to build energy and it takes a lot of field time for her to build up before she is able to start going. You don't want her in your stun window.

Soldier 11 needs to be on field to the maximum extent possible once she starts doing fire damage, and ideally the full duration of the stun window.

If you still want to use that comp, you would want to spend a lot more time with Grace on field at first, switching back and forth with Koleda to start to accumulate daze, have Grace trigger Shock (full electric anomaly) with her stacked EX attack, back to Koleda to trigger the stun (though which one starts the rainbow stun and which one triggers the chain attack matters less), switch through them during the chain attack to land on Soldier 11 and have her DPS through the stun window which would trigger a disorder at some point, but potentially not as reliably as you want before the shock duration ends.

It doesn't really have a great flow...

[shinta|hikari]

If you still want to use that comp, you would want to spend a lot more time with Grace on field at first, switching back and forth with Koleda to start to accumulate daze, have Grace trigger Shock (full electric anomaly) with her stacked EX attack, back to Koleda to trigger the stun (though which one starts the rainbow stun and which one triggers the chain attack matters less), switch through them during the chain attack to land on Soldier 11 and have her DPS through the stun window which would trigger a disorder at some point, but potentially not as reliably as you want before the shock duration ends.

This is great information. Thank you for the advice on how to use the comp. I will try it out first. For one thing, I want to avoid letting Grace rot since she was my first S draw. The other reason is obvious.

A completely Sleeveless team would be awesome.

[shinta|hikari]

The Koleda, S11, and Grace team is working out surprisingly well.

Koleda and S11 swap around to build stun and fire damage, and then when the enemy gets stunned, S11 wails on it while it burns, then near the end, I swap in Grace who at this point has full charges and dump them all for Disorder burst damage. That's basically the cycle. Grace barely gets any up time and is basically a mechanism to trigger Disorder.

[shinta|hikari]

I was drawing the Caesar banner to get more Piper copies because she is my favorite, then out comes Caesar.

I kept drawing and got 2 copies of Piper, so she is now at Cinema 4, which was critical for my physical anomaly team. I might try a full physical team with Nekomiya, Piper, and Caesar. No real stunners, but they are for Shiyu Defense where I get killed because I suck at blocking.

[shinta|hikari]

I just completed all the Shiyu stages using my Caesar, Burnice, Piper, Gunboo, and Koleda, Lucy, S11, Rocketboo teams. None of them are fully maxed except Piper, but I finished all the stages at S or A rating. The last stage is hard to S because the enemies hit to hard and I don't really practice dodging their movesets, but definitely doable if I decide to spend an hour on em.

My most powerful character is Piper at C6. With Burnice's skill, Disorder triggers all the time.

However, the S11 team is a lot more fun to play because you need to use all the dodge and parry mechanics to succeed. Caesar trivializes defense.

Nekomiya just totally fell off. I'm thinking of pulling for the next electro anomaly character, but I already have grace, so I dunno.

[KrayZ33]

I use:

Qing,Nicole,Zhu
Caesar,Lucy,S11

I love S11... sadly her damage is so much lower than the other's team output. And I'm probably doing something wrong with Caesar, I thought I'd increase Zhu's damage if I switch her in for Nicole... but I'm hitting for like half the damage for whatever reason. I guess the def- from Nicole is just that strong.
Shield makes playing a lot easier though - welp, at least S11 has good support that way.


I think my biggest mistake was going for Ellen + her Wengine so far.
Not sure if I'll want to switch her back in when Miyabi releases, but so far I'm not seeing it. Sharkgirl was pretty "cool" when I first saw her, but it's just not as stylish as the other DPS.
At least the W-Engine is probably decent in the future as well due to how much crit/+dmg it gives.


Either way, I'm such a fan of S11 that I'm saving up for her squad.
+ Whatever S-Rank Support comes up in the future, because that's probably going to be a completely overpowered one.


The game remains my clear Mihoyo favorite.
Animation is superb (especially character/combat animation), music is awesome (new boss fight for example), the game modes are short and simple, daily quests take like 1 minute, weeklies like 10min, rewards keep flowing, events keep coming, which are short but fun too - hell, even the arcade games are quite fun.
I played that "vampire survivor" one quite a bit, although I quite dislike the Arcade-PvP ones... just let me do it solo.
And I like the story telling... the comics are still fun and the cutscenes even more.
Only downsides are dialogues, which are a bit boring to watch, but when they are voiced, they are at least "okay".

edit:
looking back at the first post... that Zhu Yuan trailer man.... I totally love that woman. Would love to see an anime about her.

[shinta|hikari]

S11 is awesome. She does a fuckton of damage with Burnice because the enemy is ALWAYS burning, so the Inferno Metal 28% crit rate bonus is always active. S11 without Burnice was so much weaker in comparison.

Otherwise, I use mono-fire so burn triggers much easier, so I have Koleda, Lucy, and S11 together. Lucy just launches her skill when ready for the buff, and Koleda does most of the hitting until burn or stun triggers, then I swap in S11 until her firesword goes out.

[KrayZ33]

Yeah, what I really like about her is her Ex Special animation and the last part of her basic-chain-combo
Just looks awesome. Loved her story missions too (I hope the "Sniper buddy" she had in her squad is going to be a cool character)
I get Disorders/Anomaly procs with S11/Lucy/Caesar too, even though obviously fer than you if you play with Burnice.
But Lucy can, funilly enough, be used for both physical and fire anomaly due to her mob-piggies dealing physical and respectable anomaly.

Be that as it may, as long as I clear the Shiyu Defense stuff like I am now, I'm fine either way.
With my teams set like they are, I'm going for style.
the upcoming 1.3 characters only mildly interest me, so I'm skipping.

Guess I'll just post it for the sake of it, even though people playing probably already saw it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcjFp9_0flo

Miyabi at the end is so freaking smol, I hope she is going to be a fun character.
So funny to me that she decided to look into the box, expecting to MAYBE find her in there, lol.

[shinta|hikari]

Yanagi is like my least favorite design, but I don't know if I have it in me to keep playing for 1 more month, so I might just draw her just cause. Then I will quit and move on to the next gacha game.

[KrayZ33]

For me this game is quite easy to "endure" due to how good looking it is.
I have lots of unfinished sidequests - it doesn't matter, I do them whenever. I dump all my stamina in a few minutes and then alt+f4 and wait for a weekend/patch to play the next part of the main story, which are always quite fun.

Yanagi doesn't do much for me. The cinematic is well done again, the character itself seems fun too, but if I consider all the potential characters that may or may not be released, Yanagi isn't even on the radar, and pulls are too important to "waste" them on her.
Game has way better potential themes than "secretary" and due to the limited amount of synergies between your favorite character + whomever, there isn't an incentive for me to pull for most characters because they would do nothing for my favorites.

This is completely different to how I played Star Rail/Genshin. And I'm glad that this is the case.
Star Rail was the absolute horror for me because the characters were so important for team building and I had serious FOMO issues.
I basically wanted every second character in the first few patches - because the game was significant more difficult than this one too.

Right now I have 150 pulls saved up and I don't see myself pulling for any character before 1.4 or 1.5.
Which means I'll have about 300 pulls saved up before I'm interested in banners again. Yay.
Unless they do a Rerun of Zhu Yuan... that would probably starve me.




As for other Gacha Games, in my opinion there aren't any good ones coming up anytime soon. The only one I'd consider is the Arknights one, but it honestly doesn't look like the combat is even remotely as fun as this one, which is a real bummer because now the active combat ones will have to measure up to this.
Wouldn't mind a good old typical turn-based one like Star Rail or Epic Seven though...
Epic Seven... man, I wish that game were easier. Super hard to grind, but loved the gameplay/team building... But it was..well.. too hard.

[Ryllharu]

Wouldn't mind a good old typical turn-based one like Star Rail or Epic Seven though...
Try Reverse 1999?

[KrayZ33]

Quite a few new things came with the latest patch. I'm not through with it but the event(? or is it permament)-tv-mode thingy is kinda nice and the tower alongside more story etc.
Although it's quite a shame that it isn't voiced. TV mode is perfect for voiced info-drops imho (the clues and special things you find there for example). When it happens in combat, I hardly find myself being able to listen to what is actually being said, especially since I have to read subtitles since I'm playing with jap-dubs.

[shinta|hikari]

I dropped ZZZ for Star Seed because I didn't get Yanagi with my pulls, instead grabbing that maid bitch again.

[KrayZ33]

Lots of new stuff.
100 lvl tower, new events.
The content drops keep coming.

[Ryllharu]

The game feels like a chore to me lately.

I don't know how much longer I'm going to play.

[KrayZ33]

Eww, that sucks.
I just play what I want to play and it seems fine for me so far.
Sometimes I run the extra mile to complete something, like the TV mode event which had a few moments but was way too long, especially since it wasn't even voiced.

I think it's pretty friendly in that regard, compared to all the other gacha games I've played so far - which are built around you logging in every day etc.
Including the western ones, such as Warcraft's Rumble.

Seems like 1.4s weekly stuff will change to a new gamemode as well, already liked that I can now complete the whole thing in one mission, but a different rogue-like mode is even better to mix things up.
On top of that the whole game seems to get a complete new balance.

The fact that every character will then be able to use ultimates means enemy HP/Daze meters etc. will change and that we can actually now use stun/support ultimates without making us play worse.

[shinta|hikari]

It's not ZZZ that's at fault. It's one of the best gachas I have ever played. I just get tired of something fairly quickly even if it is low effort and move on.

[KrayZ33]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ZZZ_Official/comments/1gvlvoj/found_a_lot_of_pictures_of_nicoles_official/

Sheeeesh, is someone a collector?
Because that's the first one in a long time that I've seen that I consider to be very good looking.
Never really thought that they look like the "original" when they make them from anime characters. But this one is quite spot on and super detailed.

Thighs...
That smirk is really great too.

Looks damn fine.
Thighs...

[shinta|hikari]

I don't, but if I a good Piper one comes out, I will get it.

That is one beautiful fig.

[Ryllharu]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ZZZ_Official/comments/1gvlvoj/found_a_lot_of_pictures_of_nicoles_official/

Sheeeesh, is someone a collector?
Because that's the first one in a long time that I've seen that I consider to be very good looking.
There's something off about the face to me.

I saw it two months ago and decided to pass on it.

[KrayZ33]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VduSU32p9g


snip
not sure if @shinta or something works here.

Quick. waki, before it's gone/removed from youtube.


So gonna roll for that one.

[shinta|hikari]

Huh, this is just a Zhu Yuan vid?

[KrayZ33]

Huh, this is just a Zhu Yuan vid?

What the hell.
How is that possible, I linked the correct one.

Guess it's gone, but here is another.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geTGyegwQt0

Ultimate animation.
It's pretty cool she starts with the jacket on, but throws it away during her first ultimate, all the other ones will have a different (although very similar) animation without the jacket.

(and obviously, the camera at the start of the stage is not yet implemented correctly :D)

[shinta|hikari]

So tempting to come back to ZZZ, too bad I don't have the currency to pull at all...

[shinta|hikari]

Just downloaded it again to try it out. Got some nice free polychromes just for being away so long.

OMG I can run around using Piper! I am so back! Will keep earning polys daily to pull for Evelyn. Will probably go through the stories and events once I finish Heaven Burns Red chapter 4.

[KrayZ33]

The story got going this patch. Actual stuff happening and it's great fun. First time where the non comic/cinematics were really interesting for me

I also *love* the fact that you can "date" for real now and run together with your favorite characters.
You can even play arcade with them and they join as an NPC.

Lots of free pulls these last few weeks as well, I think they gave like 4k currency for free last week due to "issues", for example they made characters invisible if you zoom in etc. and people were mad, so they said it was a bug and gave everyone 10 pulls the next day, lol.


Miyabi is really strong and funny too. I currently have to hold back and be more reasonable, so I don't go for M2. Was lucky enough to get her weapon very early, I need to be content with that.

After all, Astra and Evelyn are coming and they are freaking cool, especially Evelyn.
She is without doubt the coolest playable character I've seen so far in gaming. (I'm serious)
She looks like the villain you kinda want to play as, but are never allowed to, and the small details with her jacket are just such a great touch.

Although I have to say, she looks like a great version of Sylvia van Hossen from Princess Lover.

@shinta.
I think this patch alone can get you 90+ pulls, this patch has LOTS of additions and extra stuff, new weekly/bi-weekly stuff as well.

And Evelyn is coming 2nd part next patch. So I'm sure you can get 180 pulls for a guarantee.


edit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Zenlesszonezeroleaks_/comments/1hmd0k0/evelyn_without_the_jacket_even_her_ass_jiggles/

hmmm. bit too much jiggle

[shinta|hikari]

Do you mean if I do all the event stuff to earn the polys?

[KrayZ33]

Do you mean if I do all the event stuff to earn the polys?

Yes.
The 1.4 content, if you do everything (including the bi-weekly format stuff), has more pulls per patch than usual.
I don't have the chart anymore, but it's like 140 pulls as F2P (of which 20 are standard banner)
But that includes achivements, so probably just 135 pulls or something.
It has to do with the new weekly Hollow Zero format.

Either way, you will have enough for evelyn since 1.5 will also have like 100+.

Go get that waki-wobbly-ass-tit-monster.

[KrayZ33]

Patches keep coming, 1.5 looks fun.
I think somewhere along the line, maybe 2.X there will be multiplayer on the menu, or at least AI assisted combat.

2 of my friends started playing again on their own. Miyabi got them back into the ProxyBiz.
Overall I still think this is by far the best Gacha out there atm. The music and cutscenes keep kicking.

The only other Gacha I'm currently looking forward will be Enfield
But it has a lot to beat if it wants to occupy my ZZZ time.

[shinta|hikari]

It's so tempting to pull for Miyabi. I don't have an ice team, and she is so fucking broken. However, I feel like I will lose 50/50 on her and ruin my chances for Evelyn...

Is it worth gambling for a lucky draw?

[KrayZ33]

It's so tempting to pull for Miyabi. I don't have an ice team, and she is so fucking broken. However, I feel like I will lose 50/50 on her and ruin my chances for Evelyn...

Is it worth gambling for a lucky draw?

Dunno, Miyabi is indeed extremely strong and you can solo everything with her. She is a team on her own.
But Waifu over power, especially since Eve should be right up your alley.

Next patch will have ~30 pulls alongside everything that is happening, because of chinese new year.

[shinta|hikari]

I decided not to go for Miyabi because I already used her a ton in the white event area, and it got very boring because she just spams her skills and never dodges or switches because of her invulnerable frames. Way too OP. Reminds me of Jinshi from Wuwa, who was similarly broken and bored me out of the game.

[KrayZ33]

She has lots of switches actually, but that depends on how you play her.
She can be switched out during pretty much all her animations (Basic5, hold-basic etc.)
It's just that she is strong enough to clear everything so you don't "have to"
But Hold Basic with 6 orbs is for example perfect for switching to Nicole to hold E and switch back with a quick assist after she is done with Hold Basic.

It's actually beyond funny how many numbers are on the screen when you do that.

[shinta|hikari]

Yeah, the problem is you don't have to. I tend to play games the most efficient way available, so if I have a strong character, I will not go out of my way not to use them. The problem with that is it gets boring and repetitive.

Also, I don't like her character design at all.

[KrayZ33]

If DPS is the way you measure efficiency, swapping would be a big bonus.

I don't think any ZZZ character holds interesting gameplay when they are on their own, the character kits themselves don't really have that much going on, that's why you get 3 slots after all.
Another very fun and strong swap would be if you own Caesar.
Kinda awesome to do a "charged basic" just at the right moment, so that you can still defensive-assist or E-block the attack with Caesar.
So much daze!

[shinta|hikari]

I see what you mean, but then I fall into the "this is much easier and gets things done anyway" pattern. The game has to force me to do more complicated things. I generally don't do self-imposed challenges.

[KrayZ33]

hnnngh
I think I'll skip Evelyn and I feel bad about it.
I have no use for her (literally 0 because I like my other Attack characters just as much)... but she looks so god damn fine.
The biggest problem I have is that she is fire-element.
And I have Soldier 11 which I very much like, that has not only the same element, but also the same role.

[shinta|hikari]

Same, I love Soldier 11, but at the same time she is kinda soft and gets bashed around easily. The big problem with S11 is her lack of invulnerable frames. She can be hit out of anything other than her EX and ult.

[KrayZ33]

Same, I love Soldier 11, but at the same time she is kinda soft and gets bashed around easily. The big problem with S11 is her lack of invulnerable frames. She can be hit out of anything other than her EX and ult.

Yeah, I never have that problem though because I have Caesar on her team.

Astra gameplay is available for content creators now.
She is literally a character you press "E" with - one single time. And then you basically don't touch her again.
Gameplay wise, probably boring, but she sings and buffs while doing it and her kit is amazing.
Not too hyped on Support gameplay anyway as I mostly do nothing with them other than some switcheroo shenanigans.
So if I can instead focus on my other 2 characters (2 anomaly, or stunner+dps), that's fine by me.

[shinta|hikari]

Who is your 3rd character after S11 and Caesar? I might just adopt that if it improves S11 dps and survivability.

[KrayZ33]

Caesar S11 Lucy + Rocket Bangboo, but I don't think it actually matters what Bangboo you choose.

Caesar has very good stun, so I don't need a stunner, her defensive assists and blocks are just insane.
I'd use the same team with Evelyn, if I'd get her and not Astra.
Although if you have both, I'd probably go Astra, Evelyn, + whomever (probably Caesar again.)

My prime team will be Astra/Caesar/Miyabi after next patch, but I'll probably use Caesar/Astra on my weaker teams in content where I need 2 or 3 teams.

[shinta|hikari]

I will try to run S11, Lucy, Caesar and Rocket for my fire team.

I used to have Caesar with Burnice and Piper because they are my 3 favorite characters (excluding waki factor) as my main team, but I may replace Caesar with Koleda as the stunner. Burnice and Piper is pretty broken as a disorder team, so any character providing stun will be fine.

[shinta|hikari]

Got drunk, my wife egged me on, and got Miyabi at 40 draws!

Now I just gotta devote the rest of my resources to getting Evelyn when she drops in Feb!

Is Miyabi Soukaku Lycoan a good team?

[KrayZ33]

Got drunk, my wife egged me on, and got Miyabi at 40 draws!

Now I just gotta devote the rest of my resources to getting Evelyn when she drops in Feb!

Is Miyabi Soukaku Lycoan a good team?


Yes, but II neither like Soukaku nor Lycaon. Both play horribly imho.
But with M0 Miyabi, you actually might want to try something like Burnice/Miyabi/Soukaku - if you want to go for power. (the Soukaku/Lycaon works too though!)
Piper, power wise, just won't cut it against Miyabi (not even close)

So it's a question regarding how you want to play favorites.

If you had to go 3 teams. what would it be?

Caesar,Lucy,Soldier
Burnice,Miyabi,Soukaku
Caesar, Lucy, Eve
Burnice,Piper,Koleda
Caesar,Burnice,Piper
Miyabi,Lycaon,Soukaku

seems like you now have to drop a character and it for sure won't be Caesar or Lucy and not building Miyabi but pulling for her seems insane too :D


Well, there is always the possibilty to mix and match, since more than enough "presets" exists when you want to switch things around for variety reasons.

[shinta|hikari]

I got Miyabi to clear the Ice weakness stages that I've been struggling with, so an Ice team would be ideal, or a team that focuses on Miyabi being on field all the time to deal ice damage.

Caesar, Lucy, S11 would be the fire team.
Koleda, Burnice, Piper would be the disorder team. My Piper is maxxed out so she is pretty awesome.
Looks like I will end up with Miyabi, Lycaon, and Soukaku for the ice team. I do not like any of them either. I don't even know how to use Soukaku lol. But they are there for clearing.

I might try Burnice, Soukaku, Miyabi and just use Caesar, Lucy, S11 for those stages with 1 part ice weakness, swapping in Piper for S11 if there is fire resistance.

EDIT:

The Fox bitch functioned exactly as expected. All the ice stages I was struggling with and could only get As or Bs are now S LOL. I used Burnice, Lucy, Miyabi and the biker bangboo.

In the end, Caesar, Koleda, S11 was a much better team than with Piper due to the insane stuns, allowing S11 just to wail on enemies. It even triggers disorder due to the rampant physical attacks of all 3 members.

My Caesar, Burnice, Piper team is still my best team and go to for individual stages, ignoring weaknesses and resistances.

[shinta|hikari]

I really liked how Astra changed the ZZZ gameplay because of the constant switching, so I tried to get her. Won the 50/50 and got her in about 70 pulls. I then got her sleeveless outfit (https://streamable.com/xbq00d) because of course I did.

Now I just have to somehow get Evelyn too...

[KrayZ33]

can't believe you og all people risked Eve. Reddits are already flooded with Wakifanservice of her.

As for me, I'm looking forward to Trigger (next patch)
She'll release alongside S-Rank Anby and the Furry-girl from the Outer-ring story part (the one with the mask)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe1rKKzWBfg

[shinta|hikari]

I mean, it is only a risk if I don't whale, which I totally will if needed.

Astra is a lot of fun to use. The random switching during combat without needed to wait for a block is great!

Trigger animations:

https://streamable.com/akh12h?src=player-page-share

[KrayZ33]

I mean, it is only a risk if I don't whale, which I totally will if needed.

Astra is a lot of fun to use. The random switching during combat without needed to wait for a block is great!

Trigger animations:

https://streamable.com/akh12h?src=player-page-share


Ya, I saw this earlier today.
This is, without a doubt, gonna be my favorite character in this game (at point of her release)
That is just awesome. More designs like that one please.
She is everything I hoped her to be.

Apparently, she is some kind of "Off-field" stunner too.

S-Anby looks great too, but I'm not sure if I can get her, especially since you probably want the signature weapons for both 1.6 characters. I hate this shitty 50/50 pity bullshit... makes everything uncertain.

[shinta|hikari]

Yeah, to be honest, if they got rid of 50/50, I think more people will shell out money to pull. The uncertainty gives people who would've paid 50 to 100 bucks pause because they still might NOT get their waifu.

[KrayZ33]

Yeah, I thought the same thing.
If they have to (they don't have to, but they'd do it), increase pity to 120 and call it a day.
But even if they'd leave it at 90, people might start spending to reach M1 and M2 instead.

One can dream... but it will never happen.

[shinta|hikari]

My Caesar, Astra, Miyabi team with the Snap Bangboo is totally broken. Miyabi gets more than 2k extra damage and gets to be the one on the field 95% of the time, so her damage is totally maximized. Caesar just pops in from time to time using Astra's switches to E.

[KrayZ33]

I recommend Astra,Nicole, Miyabi
I do Caesar Astra Miyabi for short stage fights, like farming (6 second clear in the newest disc farm stage :D)

But on Deadly Assault, I tested my limits, and I had more success with Astra,Nicole,Miyabi.

I managed to get maximum damage possible (60k) with M2 Miyab!

The benefit of Nicole is that you get quite a few disorders.


Today I caved in and got Astra M1.
It was just too enticing to have All-Res Shred%, especially since I don't play any character that has it in their kit otherwise.
And Shred is so good because it makes stunning faster, attribute anomaly buildup faster AND adds damage.

Knowing that I own a support that I can put in any team whatsoever, no matter the element, feels good.

[shinta|hikari]

By caved, do you mean you whaled? Or just used existing draws?

I don't have Nicole built, but with the time before Evelyn, I can level her up.

[KrayZ33]

Just my draws.
Still have 130 left. But I want Trigger, so if want her weapon too I better farm up until then.


edit:
speaking of pulls.
Arknights Endfield is releasing this year.

And while the combat is no where even close to the level of ZZZs (it's more mechanical, and much slower, but you play with teams of 4 people that are on the field all the time and have AI), it might still be fun as it has Satisfactory/ Open world stuff mechanics.

And apparently it has reaaaaally great rates.
around 4-6 as much as Mihoyo games.

50/50 at 80 pulls, but guaranteed at 120.
And you get 60 weapon pulls per 120 pulls, meaning you get currency for character weapons from pulling in character banners.
You can craft gear too and farm everything through the Satisfactory mechanics.

I'm really hyped up for it too now. That could be a very good F2P waifu collector, while ZZZ is both a waifu collector AND animations/eye candy etc. but the rates are frustrating.
Can't see myself giving up on this though... the style is just too much fun.

[shinta|hikari]

That sounds awesome! I actually played Arknights years ago and got pretty far until I was forced to get better units or grind to upgrade units I hate to advance. I love the character designs, so it will be a good chance to expand my waki images collection.

Once Evelyn releases, I will share here what I have collected of her as of that time, because it is only going to explode after.

Did you lose any 50/50s for Astra in getting her to M1?

[KrayZ33]

I lost M0 to Koleda, but got M0 at around 80 or so pulls anyway.
I won M1 but took like 86 pulls. So 166 pulls overall.

Pretty decent, got lucky with M0, Sadly, Koleda is not a good character, I actually like her design but she is really not worth it - got her at M2 now though.


That sounds awesome! I actually played Arknights years ago and got pretty far until I was forced to get better units or grind to upgrade units I hate to advance

Yeah me too, although I wasn't a fan of the textbox storytelling though. But I sure as heck liked the music in that game and the character design.
As mentioned earlier, the combat looks very "stale"... but everything else about the game sounds and looks great.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxRe7sL8ve4

the guy says that even 4 stars are really strong, and feel unique. This is good to know.


I don't think the combat is "ugly" or anything. The animations are insanely fluid too, but I don't think it will get my blood "pumping" like it does in boss fights when the music kicks in, in ZZZ.
Big plus however is that you have all 4 characters active at once. A thing I would prefer to be the case in ZZZ as well as I enjoy even the small stuff like Quality Time, where you have your collected waifus running alongside you, as little as that actually is.

And if it sounds as good as it does, another great thing in Endfield is that you might actually be able to get fully stacked 6* when you save up a little. Like... if you go for only the ones you actually like and don't have to invest into the ones that are strong (since the 4*+5* are useful), maybe you have enough pulls to feel what it would be like to own a M6 Miyabi in ZZZ.

[shinta|hikari]

Looks great! Thanks for sharing. I don't know of any other game, gacha or otherwise, that matches the smoothness, coolness, stylishness, and rhythm of ZZZ. It is literally the only game I have ever gone back to, out of all platforms and genres.

I am currently building Nicole. I've always known she is good but never gave her attention until this patch because the devs understand me and twisted my arm.

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[KrayZ33]

Yeah, Nicole is a really cool character. Love her looks and attitude. Love the "constantly poor" jokes as well, especially since it's basically hiding that the Cunning hares are not only masterminds but stacked in terms of units.

Nekomata is literally the leader of gangs and could technically control the underworld
Anby is an ex-military officer
Billy is an attack android that has, apparently, a hell of a past and can fuck everyone up if he justs wants to, but he doesn't right now.
And Nicole herself is kinda involved in absolutely everything somehow everytime because it seems like her information network is on the level of the random-play siblings who own Fairy.

[shinta|hikari]

But they are all no match for Miyabi in canon.

I very much prefer the Sons of Calydon. I love every one of them, especially Piper and Burnice.

[Ryllharu]

Arknights Endfield is releasing this year.

And while the combat is no where even close to the level of ZZZs (it's more mechanical, and much slower, but you play with teams of 4 people that are on the field all the time and have AI), it might still be fun as it has Satisfactory/ Open world stuff mechanics.

And apparently it has reaaaaally great rates.
around 4-6 as much as Mihoyo games.

50/50 at 80 pulls, but guaranteed at 120.
And you get 60 weapon pulls per 120 pulls, meaning you get currency for character weapons from pulling in character banners.
You can craft gear too and farm everything through the Satisfactory mechanics.

I'm really hyped up for it too now. That could be a very good F2P waifu collector, while ZZZ is both a waifu collector AND animations/eye candy etc. but the rates are frustrating.

Endfield actually has exceptionally BAD rates. Not as demoralizing as Mihoyo's (its predictability also means you have almost no chance of getting early pulls) but not good by any stretch of the imagination.

- The weapon banner comes with 25/75, not a 50/50. That's mind-blowingly shitty. Three out of four times, you're not going to get what you want with you finally hit the rate. The absolute rage of Genshin whales going for Staff of Homa or WGS and never getting them, reborn. Hoyo had to fix that system because their whales were threatening to quit.

- For the character banners, the pity for the featured 6* character doesn't carry over. The featured pity is once per banner, so if you want dupes, you're going back to FGO-style rates. You hit 60-80, you win or lose the 50/50. If you lose, you go to 120 and get the 6*. But then your entire pity counter RESETS when the next banner starts. That's as bad or worse than BA, which gets a lot of shit for having mileage tickets that do not carry over from banner to banner. If you lose the 50/50 on Endfield, you have to whale for it or everything you've spent is lost. You must have 120 pulls stockpiled before you pull on any banner. Even Hoyo isn't that bad. If you lost the 50/50 in a Hoyo game, you have guarantee on the next banner. Not in Endfield.

It has the worst aspects of Hoyo's gacha and also the shockingly bad aspects of a Nexon gacha.

If you're repeatedly skipping banners, yes, it looks like it is "the best" but objectively it is exceptionally shitty. And the baseline comparison most people are making is with Hoyo games, which aren't great either.

Endfield might be the worst gacha system to come out in a long time for collector-style players and whales. Selective F2Ps it's good, but you better be constantly tracking leaks and doing a lot of pull planning and scrutinize every pull session before you even start.

[KrayZ33]

Certainly doesn't sound ideal, but still a lot better than Mihoyo, lol.

I'd rather have the guarantee at 120 and it resets between banner, everyone who plays these games is usually planning pulls anyway.

And you are kinda ignoring the fact that for the weapon banner, you get a guaranteed 6* every 4x10 pulls and the featured one you want after 8x10
In Genshin I have a 75/25 after 8x10 and basically not at all the income of free pulls to even try it.


It does suck for duplicates though! I kinda thought it's always 120, that shucks (big time)

I don't understand how this isn't superior for collectors though. I mean, we are also ignoring the pulls per banner/week ratio here. But to me it sounds like collectors actually have it better than spenders and F2P who want very few very specific characters (and probably maxxed as far as they can go)

[Ryllharu]

I don't understand how this isn't superior for collectors though. I mean, we are also ignoring the pulls per banner/week ratio here. But to me it sounds like collectors actually have it better than spenders and F2P who want very few very specific characters (and probably maxxed as far as they can go)

It depends on whether you earn enough to make 120 pulls every banner or not. Like Mihoyo with ZZZ, they will tune it so you cannot get guarantee every banner without spending...just barely. And also depends on if the units become meta for endgame activities, and how frequent the reruns are. If not, they are forcing a collector to spend consistently because they risk losing all the resources they've spent. ZZZ is Hoyo's gacha system FOMO perfected, especially with the consistent power creep.

Whales will get murdered and quit Endfield once their luck sours on a banner and go 1000s without getting a dupe.

[KrayZ33]

From what I remember in Arknights, who I think had a similar system(?????) I doubt whales quit.


It certainly sux that there is no guarantee to max a character - that's a REAL bummer.

But if what is happening in the beta is true for the release.
Limited Banner characters will move to the 50/50 "loss" and can be pulled there again.

And I remember that you can buy limited characters in the shop of Arknights Terra, with currency from pulls, directly as well.
On top of that, limited banners in Arknights have rerunns of older characters too that fit the series if I'm not mistaken.


So basically if Genshin had a limited banner for a Liyue character, you have 3 Zhongli/Hu Ta/who knows who as the 50/50 "loss" but without the guarantee at 120 pulls.

[shinta|hikari]

Leveling Nicole was the right move. It allowed me to S all the Shiyu Critical Node stages finally and also get 5 stars in Deadly Assault. Nicole and Astra helped Miyabi with just electro lip gloss hit 22k points. The fire weakness team I used was Caesar, Burnice, and Piper. I almost got 20k points but fell just a thousand short, but there wasn't much need to push it since I was just doing both modes to clear the season tasks to level Eridu fund for one more electro lip gloss copy, which I have now.

Astra with Nicole is kinda broken because of how often the debuff is applied with the incessant switching. Enemies are practically at -40% defense constantly.

[KrayZ33]

Astra Nicole Miyabi is da bomb.

https://i.imgur.com/nIwTDjv.png

[shinta|hikari]

That team is so OP. I used them in Hollow Zero against the newer boss and he didn't even get a hit in. Just demolished with all of Miyabi's ridiculous buffs and stack of resonias and gear.

[KrayZ33]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FQ3sTp3fdU


Beautifuly animated again.
And of course the ASSets used are always great too.

Having played with Evelyn in the event etc. I think she is actually much better than I first thought. The fact that you can "E" instead of dodgecounter, even at 0 energy, makes it so much better.
Quite the technical character overall.

I think it's great that this game is clearly more leaning into the "sex-sells" thing than the other 3.
Yes, of course it's always been the case, somewhat, but the ass shots here (when she stood up from the table) or Zhu Yuans walk to work etc. They are clearly pushing this and not just with how characters are design.

Love it, they certainly do get me with stuff like that, I like to look at this stuff.
At the same time, there are characters like Miyabi who are far less sexualized than Evelyn for example, which is a nice change of pace and just as loveable.
Miyabi has boobas, but you hardly notice that compared to Zhu Yuan/Evelyn or Nagi.

I'm looking forward to how characters will look in 3+ months. What theme they will have, and what they can do.

[shinta|hikari]

She was way hotter before she met Astra.