Ore Dake Level Up na Ken / Solo Leveling

[Buffalobiian]

Oh yeah, I forgot that she spilled the beans about how she was preparing for a war before being teleported.

It also turns out that he could retrieve the wyven's shadow in this floor, whereas the "mana is contaminated" on the previous attempts. Seems a little inconsistent.

[MFauli]

I'm just glad the whole "curing his mom"-quest is resolved inmidst the anime and not delayed until the very end like most anime would have done. However, I have a bad feeling about it, like, something will suddenly happen to the mom :(

Still not sure why not the whole world is helping South Korea with that island. It again sounded like this is an international threat that is so severe that it couldn't be solved in 3 past attempts.

The sparring battle next episode will be fun, especially when Japan beats the South Koreans and then Jinnwoo somehow gets shoved into the arena and KOs them without any effort lol.

I was kinda hoping demon elf girl would accompany Jinnwoo to the real world. Would have made for a cool precedence, "the first dungeon being officially visits our world"-kinda event. And would have been fun if her and Jinna became friends. Imagine the demon elf girl living at their place and protecting Jinwoo's mom and sister :D


09

So basically he has access to unlimited cure all potions. Because he will eventually speedrun the castle and even be able to process more bottles each turn. Probably of even higher quality too. The father of that D hunter will come back at some point to get a bottle too, unless there are some yet to be shown perks/side effects.

He will also be able to necromance that high elf at some point, as the castle is back to its original state.
I'm just wondering if that Radiru girl will also reset. The setting was that her group/familly/kind live now in the castle, so it might be they are not part of the reset.

New motivations needed. And already some veteran ptsd...

Couldn't care less about hunters gathering, everyone is weak. And we'll learn that that A rank ant was among the weakest and probably not even a fighter ant (remember there are roles).

I guess next ep will move to show just how weak everyone is compared to Jinwoo.

Why would everything reset? I thought the demon elf girl was a real living being, not a computer simulation. That's why I also think Jinnwoo cannot farm the elixier, hence why they gave him 6 potions at once, so that he can wake up some important characters. But he will probably try to get more, only to find out that the rewards change/cannot be obtained multiple times.

[DarthEnderX]

Why would everything reset?No idea, but that's what the System message said after he teleported out.

"As the final boss has been defeated, the dungeon will now revert to it's original state..."

[David75]

That's the reset I talk about.

[MFauli]

So then what is the talk about the demon elf girl and her father talking like they're real, living beings? So really they're just computer programmes in a Matrix-like environment?

[Buffalobiian]

The Dungeon is going to be reset. No idea about the sentient NPCs. Rememeber she said that they were somewhere else preparing for a war before they got transported here and given a command to protect the place.

A dungeon being reset could well mean that the environment gets reset, and monsters get transported back to wherever they belong to, only to have them re-transported to fight once a gate opens up once a player or hunter joins again.

The fact that they glitch etc suggests they're part of some digitized system. At the very least they can be controlled.

[DarthEnderX]

So then what is the talk about the demon elf girl and her father talking like they're real, living beings? So really they're just computer programmes in a Matrix-like environment?We don't know. It's one of the show's core mysteries.

[David75]

Somehow I thought the Radiru familly and other "imported" demons were different from Kiba, but I'm not so sure.
Jinwoo doesn't need elixirs so he won't try to speedrun the castle for a while, unless he thinks he needs that ice-elf leader.

[Buffalobiian]

Ice elf was part of the Red Gate that mutated. He shouldn't be an expected encounter in the Castle run.

[David75]

My mistake, it's true it was not the same place/circumstances.

[Death BOO Z]

episode 22, it really is the chimera ants saga.

[MFauli]

Fucking THANK YOU. I was so angry at the bitch at the end prolonging the healing of the guy who got wounded. For once, karma striked fair and fast! :D

And yes, this anime is now a total ripoff of Hunter X Hunter and I'M LOVING IT, lol.

As for the S-rank hunters, the kinda appear rather weak now that they're on the island, outside of that fire attack that makes you wonder why they couldn't eradicate them before.

Can't wait for Jinwoo's epic appearance when he switches with one of the soldiers he planted in the S-ranks' shadows.

[Death BOO Z]

I thought they were flirting, and she's gonna ask him to kiss him or something, not that it really matters now.

they couldn't fly until recently, so it would have been possible to scorch the entire island of trees, and then have som mages (even A and B rank) in helicopters rain down spells. keep the ant population smaller, and maybe starve the colony if there's nothing to gather food from. it woulldn't have worked, and maybe pushed the ants to evolve even faster to borrow underground instead, but that's how anime logic works. I guess the ground team of weak fodder hunters are there to fight off any flying ants that go wild after the queen is dead.

yes, he'll somehoe teleport there with the 10 minutes delay and be right on time to save them.

[Kraco]

The fact the supernatural powers sporting humans are organised rather loosely like this, in the guilds operating for nothing but personal glory and money, more or less, leads to weaknesses. While the groups in the guilds can work, at least theoretically, in small units to face stronger dungeons and bosses, it's still no military force where every detail is created and trained to function as a part of a much bigger army. The S ranks, especially, don't really need to work that much with others, and when they do, I reckon it's more a bunch of strong individuals working for a common goal, but also competing with each other, than a cohesive force. Even in this operation, which isn't the first against the ant island, the whole strategy is extremely simple, probably because anything more complicated would have zero chances of working, with such headstrong individuals. Even this isn't so efficient because the hunters, due to being strong individualistic fighters of different types, aren't genuinely combining their power. They were merely given places where to fight, but they act like it's every man for himself.

Normally I'd say Jinwoo is behaving irrationally because if the ants win and infest the mainland, it's not like his mom and sister could keep living peacefully. But at the end of the day, he could have probably cleaned the island on his own, so he doesn't need to take it awfully seriously. At least as long as he believes the S-rank hunters can pull it off, even if they need to struggle. Furthermore, like MFauli said, he can appear on the island immediately if things seem to go south.

It's another question whether he should feel so relaxed simply because he saved his mom.

[MFauli]

That's actually something that Jinwoo is being an asshole with: He didn't tell the guild just how many soldiers he can summon, did he? Because he could literally, as you say, clear the entire island by himself, just sending his army. That would spare so many lives and be infinitely easier than what they're doing now.

[Death BOO Z]

Isn't that the point of his charactar? that he's an asshole, and the more power he has, the less he needs to work with or care for others?

[Buffalobiian]

That's actually something that Jinwoo is being an asshole with: He didn't tell the guild just how many soldiers he can summon, did he? Because he could literally, as you say, clear the entire island by himself, just sending his army. That would spare so many lives and be infinitely easier than what they're doing now.

He demonstrate his summon at his S rank revaluation and told them he could summon 100 more than he could fit in that hall. I don't think he lied about that.

I was a bit disappointed that the sparring session was just strength and speed. I hoped to see a little more.

They also dropped the need for a translator in the middle of the match.

Tiger also didn't end up coming to a conclusion about whether Jinwoo grew with experience.

[DarthEnderX]

Serious question: Why the hell doesn't she just wear a mask? It's gotta be easier than holding a cloth up all the time.

[Buffalobiian]

Sexy factor.

[DarthEnderX]

Sexy factor.Is...holding up a kleenex sexy?

[Buffalobiian]

Is...holding up a kleenex sexy?

More than a mask.

Looks more feminine/princess-like. The pale/weak/sickly presentation also has its appeal at times in culture I think.

From a story perspective, a handkerchief let's her take it on/off rapidly, leading to scenes like her sniffing MC out. If an effective mask was worn, she wouldn't catch into the fact that MC didn't smell bad.

[MFauli]

Is...holding up a kleenex sexy?


You're not thinking like a pervert enough, Darth.

[Kraco]

Wearing a mask means you are either sick or a delinquent. That's clearly not hunter Cha's image.

[Shadow Skill]

Anyone interested in watching the Korean Live Action? I am looking for to it.

Episode 10 felt like half a filler episode.

[Buffalobiian]

E23

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Well. Now I have to wait another week. This was pretty much a set-up episode.
Yes there was some action, but besides Cha's moves being kind of flashy, the episode was mostly seeing Choi shoot fire, everyone else more or less brawling, and then getting 1-shot by Ant King more or less.

The Korean S-classes are now second grade on the relative power scale. Goto shits on them, and it looks like Ant King will shit on Goto if the breaking weapon is an accurate tell. Jinwoo will eventually beat the ant, though whether he'll struggle is yet to be seen.

If the shadow soldiers are commanded to stop lethal damage rather than on Jinwoo's command, it's pretty funny that it waited so long.

[Death BOO Z]

maybe he saw the ants coming on the live television feed?

also, they can send a camera-man down there and get live video coverage, but the reception isn't good enough for them to communicate between teams on the island?

[Buffalobiian]

maybe he saw the ants coming on the live television feed?

If that was the case then that's and a coincidentally close save by the soldiers.
Plus, the ending has him sitting and waiting on the roof before standing up to Exchange. He didn't have a hand-held broadcast device in his hands.

Agree about reception.

[DarthEnderX]

Way to show up just after the nick of time, Jinwoo.

[Death BOO Z]

actually, do we know what's the deal with the island anyway? how did all the super ants get there?

my guesses are either a dungeon break and the ants came through from an insect gate dungeon (in which case, the original gate should still be there, right?), or this was a research facility to study monsters and the ants escaped and now it's all classified data.

[Kraco]

Forgetting the whole communication contradiction, the TV broadcast was delayed by 10 minutes, which obviously would prevent Jinwoo from reacting in real time, if he was only relying on that. It would explain why he was only reacting so long after things started going south. Perhaps even if he can communicate with the ants hiding in people's shadows, he wasn't doing it before, only watching the broadcast. When things turned bad in the delayed broadcast, he would then rely on the ants. That would, more or less, explain why he didn't seem to act a minute too soon. At the end of the day, since he refused to join the expedition, it would be kind of hypocritical to monitor it in extreme detail. If he's so interested, he should have been there. This way is more honest, in a certain sense.

[Buffalobiian]

actually, do we know what's the deal with the island anyway? how did all the super ants get there?

my guesses are either a dungeon break and the ants came through from an insect gate dungeon (in which case, the original gate should still be there, right?), or this was a research facility to study monsters and the ants escaped and now it's all classified data.

It's an S-Gate that wasn't conquered and monsters come out from it.


10 min delay

There's a 10min delay, but we didn't see Jinwoo watching TV and go "This is bad, I should help."

We see a cool pose on top of a building, then he stands up and thinks "It's time - Exchange."

Thus far we haven't been shown any indication that his soldiers communicate telepathically to him. Jinwoo had to guess at events when his soldiers were being killed off in the Castle level.

So, currently neither scenarios make complete sense from a continuity perspective.

[Kraco]

There's a 10min delay, but we didn't see Jinwoo watching TV and go "This is bad, I should help."

We see a cool pose on top of a building, then he stands up and thinks "It's time - Exchange."

Thus far we haven't been shown any indication that his soldiers communicate telepathically to him. Jinwoo had to guess at events when his soldiers were being killed off in the Castle level.

So, currently neither scenarios make complete sense from a continuity perspective.

His reason for not joining this raid was to stay home with his family, after the mom just got cured. I'd assume he was spending time with the sister and mother, in the apartment, possibly watching the TV broadcast with them. However, I very much doubt he would "exchange" right in front of them. He would thus first go away normally, to the rooftop or wherever, and then teleport to the island.

[MFauli]

My reaction when this episode ended: Fuck you, you overly cool edgelord! LOL

Jinwoo is like that chuunibyou kid, except he HAS actual powers.

The episode was fine, but the fighting really was disappointing. The way all these S-class hunters moved just didn't look impressive. The A-rank that Jinwoo absorbed during the winter-gate wasn't less impressive than these S-rankers. Also, the animation just sucked for these battles, but that comes with another issue: We NEVER get any actual battles. It's always "A is stronger than B, A defeated B". An exciting battle would be "A and B are close to each other in prowess, A narrowly manages to beat B". And this happens throughout the episode, all the way to the end where Goto appears, makes himself look more powerful than the other S-rankers, only to shit his pants when the king ant activates its full aura. And next week Jinwoo will join and probably destroy the king ant.

btw. here's something I don't understand: Regular hunters cannot get stronger, alright. Does this mean those special abilities are also fixed? Did the fire guy have the ability to shoot fire from the beginning of his awakening? Could beast-guy immediately transform into a beast? Or are thse abilities that are trained?

Btw beast-guy being afraid of being "ugly" while transformed is the dumbest bs ever. Like there's not a millions of chicks (and dudes, sigh) who are into buffy furry dads.

The tv reception thing didn't even register for me, because of how fucked up it is to air this battle anyway. It's like airing live-footage from Ukraine fighting Russia. Complete lack of morality.

[Death BOO Z]

you're forgetting the 're-awakenning' part.
most start between E-A level, S-ranks are those who got re-awakened and had mana increase. it's stupid.
so the tiger beast guy was probably hand-to-hand fighter, maybe a little but of transforming, but then got a power boost. same with the rest.
power (mana) and the abilities are set in stone, but you can still get better at fighting by trainning, being in better physical shape, putting yourself in the correct mindset, learning tactics, working together with others... the skills that are actually intresting to watch.

isn't jinwoo being an edgelord chuunibyou asshole that sucks kinda the entire point? the whole point of how he behaves is supposed to make the audience dislike him, isn't it?

[DarthEnderX]

Forgetting the whole communication contradiction, the TV broadcast was delayed by 10 minutes, which obviously would prevent Jinwoo from reacting in real time, if he was only relying on that.Yeah, but doesn't he see through his Shadows in realtime?

[Kraco]

Yeah, but doesn't he see through his Shadows in realtime?

Does he? I don't remember a scene displaying such a skill, plus Bill also said he doesn't remember telepathic communication between Jinwoo and the shadows. He does know when one is destroyed, though. Perhaps a hiding shadow was accidentally destroyed by the humanoid ant, triggering Jinwoo's sense of crisis immediately. Other than that, can his shadow soldiers hide anymore in the shadow of a dead person?

[DarthEnderX]

Does he?Well, there was the scene where he had his shadows patrolling the city at night, Batman style, and he could switch places with them. Which doesn't really work if he doesn't know what they see.

[David75]

fluffy s-ranker probably doesn't like the fact he turns into was looks like a monster... when he's fighting monster.

[Kraco]

Well, there was the scene where he had his shadows patrolling the city at night, Batman style, and he could switch places with them. Which doesn't really work if he doesn't know what they see.

They can look for anything strange and then either deal with it or come back to report to him. He can also switch places with them when convenient.

Back in the army, patrols were sent out, even though the commanding officer obviously couldn't see what the patrols could see. The patrolling soldiers were assumed to react appropriately when noticing anything strange or alarming.

[Buffalobiian]

btw. here's something I don't understand: Regular hunters cannot get stronger, alright. Does this mean those special abilities are also fixed? Did the fire guy have the ability to shoot fire from the beginning of his awakening? Could beast-guy immediately transform into a beast? Or are thse abilities that are trained?

Most hunters' abilities stay the same. Those who are S rank from the beginning stay that way. Some hunters reawaken and gain power, but that's uncommon. I'm not aware of any S rank who has explicitly said they gained this after reawakening.





is reason for not joining this raid was to stay home with his family, after the mom just got cured. I'd assume he was spending time with the sister and mother, in the apartment, possibly watching the TV broadcast with them. However, I very much doubt he would "exchange" right in front of them. He would thus first go away normally, to the rooftop or wherever, and then teleport to the island.

If Jinwoo's decision was made after seeing people get owned on TV, he should have gone to the roof, closed the door or whatever and teleported. Not go to the roof, sit on the edge and pose before standing up again to teleport. https://i.imgur.com/9CaUIgv.jpeg





Yeah, but doesn't he see through his Shadows in realtime?

Does he?

Well, there was the scene where he had his shadows patrolling the city at night, Batman style, and he could switch places with them. Which doesn't really work if he doesn't know what they see.


Jinwoo looks surprised after his first teleport, and looks around to survey the place before planning his trip home with his dragon. If he could see where the soldier was, he should not need to survey his surroundings in surprise after teleporting, and should not have to come up with his flying idea on the spot as if he only just learned of his location.


https://i.imgur.com/pn5IpzX.jpeg

[Kraco]

If Jinwoo's decision was made after seeing people get owned on TV, he should have gone to the roof, closed the door or whatever and teleported. Not go to the roof, sit on the edge and pose before standing up again to teleport.

Even if you say should have, it's still his call. He didn't want to join the raid in the first place, so is it really surprising if he's taking a bit of time to teleport there? He just left the door open to join by installing the shadow soldiers in some of the hunters' shadows, but that still doesn't mean he was 100% planning to go. It was just an option. At the end of the day, even if everybody now knows he's an S rank hunter, going to the island basically means he's again going to fight in front of an audience. This time he would really show the important people that he's unlike anyone else.

[Buffalobiian]

Even if you say should have, it's still his call. He didn't want to join the raid in the first place, so is it really surprising if he's taking a bit of time to teleport there?

He made the decision to help once he found out other hunters were being slaughtered or at risk of death.

If he received this information whilst sitting on the ledge then his actions make sense, but how he received that information is still in question. He did not seem to be watching his phone, and we have yet to have evidence of Soldier communication.

If he received this information while watching TV in the living room, then the whole point of going to the roof was to teleport. Sitting made no sense and doesn't change his decision. I doubt "Do I let people die or do I display my power on national TV" was the great decision on his mind.

[David75]

Mana spike?
When his soldiers appear and start blocking ants, I'm pretty sure there's a surge in mana consumption. So at the very least Jinwoo feels that and understands the situation is getting dire when that surge happens.
Also, it is possible he leveled up his ability to communicate and get data from his long distance shadows between his first teleport and now.
But basically even without levelling up those parts, mana draw is a very basic yet easy to use method.

[Kraco]

He made the decision to help once he found out other hunters were being slaughtered or at risk of death.

If he received this information whilst sitting on the ledge then his actions make sense, but how he received that information is still in question. He did not seem to be watching his phone, and we have yet to have evidence of Soldier communication.

If he received this information while watching TV in the living room, then the whole point of going to the roof was to teleport. Sitting made no sense and doesn't change his decision. I doubt "Do I let people die or do I display my power on national TV" was the great decision on his mind.

With the 10 minutes delay, he actually wouldn't have yet wasted any time, based only on the information from the TV broadcast. So, it could be that when he was thinking things might start to go wrong on the island, he excused himself from the company of his family and climbed to the roof, to be prepared to teleport to the island. If he really had no other two-directional communication but what David mentioned, then he simply might have decided now is the correct time.

Hunters die all the time, that's unfortunately a part of their profession. Jinwoo himself died once, after all. He has since witnessed plenty of them to die, and it wasn't always thanks to the monsters. He deemed all of those Korean+Japanese S-rankers should be able to handle the island. Maybe someone would die, but that's just how it is. Now he could have started to think maybe they can't even clear the mission fully and too many would die, so it was finally the time for him to act.

He's not a god who could keep every single hunter in Korea (or the whole world) from dying, anyway.

[Buffalobiian]

Mana consumption can work. To date I've only heard of his soldiers using mana when they respawn or when they use artillery. That said, this barrier they're employing is also a first appearance.

I'm under no impression that Jinwoo has to save everyone or whatever. My main point was to make sense of the depicted animation and sequence. If he receives no information from his soldiers then sitting serves no purpose. If he does receive information then this is a first, unless the current barrier counts as a spell - then mana consumption makes sense.

But if there's no communication aside from mana, then the soldiers were given prior orders to intervene when the S-classes would be in danger. That's funny since the biggest danger would have been from the King Ant and they should have acted then.

[Kraco]

Mana consumption can work. To date I've only heard of his soldiers using mana when they respawn or when they use artillery. That said, this barrier they're employing is also a first appearance.

I'm under no impression that Jinwoo has to save everyone or whatever. My main point was to make sense of the depicted animation and sequence. If he receives no information from his soldiers then sitting serves no purpose. If he does receive information then this is a first, unless the current barrier counts as a spell - then mana consumption makes sense.

But if there's no communication aside from mana, then the soldiers were given prior orders to intervene when the S-classes would be in danger. That's funny since the biggest danger would have been from the King Ant and they should have acted then.

Maybe Jinwoo didn't anticipate the existence of the S++ level King Ant. He might have given the shadows an order to defend the hunters if they are going to be overrun by a horde of ants. So, the shadow soldiers wouldn't do anything when a single super ant was whacking the hunters, but now when the hunters are in too bad shape to protect themselves from the horde, the shadows followed the order.

[MFauli]

Kraco, get on the Gotwoot-discord! You're 1 of 2 regulars still missing!

[Buffalobiian]

E24

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I wasn't expecting a fistfight at the beginning.

What's funny is that even if the cameras are running, if Tiger couldn't catch Jinwoo's movements in previous cases, then that camera is just going to capture residual destruction.

I'm also a little surprised at how we learned of Goto's fight. That guy? Yeah, he's dead too.

[Death BOO Z]

very pretty fight, a little bit of OPM inspiration.

if the daggers use the same stat as his fists, aren't they a strict upgrade over punching?

I can't believe that even if the guild master was watching the public feed. shouldn't he have been in a command room somewhere? maybe even in one the surronding ships?
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I wonder if this will end up being a character moment or an asspull.

[David75]

very pretty fight, a little bit of OPM inspiration.
Thought the same while watching, with a bit of space dogfight from a macross show with these movement traces

Will Jinwoo use that ant king's regeneration powers to save Cha?
I'm wondering if that create some issues and backstory later. Like the antking using that as a comeback later in the future.
Or maybe just Cha feeling she's an hybrid and some drama about that.

[Death BOO Z]

why would the king have healing/regen to use on someone else? that shouldn't be part of his power-set.

there's the body of the dead S-rank healer lying around somewhere, so shadowing him for the healing magic might be the only way to save her, but will definitly cause drama.

[David75]

Forgot about that S-rank healer. I don't know if Jinwoo knows about him or can sense from his remains he was a healer.
However, by fighting the ant king, he saw how much regeneration capabilities it had.
The hybrid idea was that Jinwoo uses that power (after some stealing/combining spell) on Cha, with consequences down the line.
I don't know if he can shadow the ant king, would work too. Would cause some drama too as Jinwoo instantly becomes the defacto most powerfull being and most dangerous too.

[MFauli]

Jinwoo using the antking somehow to save Cha was my first thought, too, but I don't see how, so him shadowing the dead healer makes more sense AND would cause drama with furry-guy. So I think it's gonna be that, unless they do an asspull and somehow the antking's regeneration ability can heal others, bleh.

As for the fight, I actually found it underwhelming. Don't get me wrong, it was nice to watch, but after all the build up, I expected ... more. I was especially disappointed that Jinwoo never made the effort to ask the antking "why are you attacking us?" to get some long needed information about the whole concept of gates appearing and stuff.

Anyway, now we know what Gon vs Meruem would have been like. Although Gon wouldn't have taken this long ;D

Oh, DUMBEST scene: The Japanese military apparently has NOBODY who watches South Korean television. How tf could all of them miss that the fight inside the ant nest is being live-broadcast to the public?! Ugh.

Jinna will be extremely horny for her brother now, though. /sisterleveling

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, seems Jinwoo is easily the most powerful Hunter in the world now. Not sure how much this premise is going to be able to be able to hold interest, because the hero has already reached the "so OP it's boring" point.


I'm not exactly sure WHY the Elixir wouldn't have worked.

[David75]

Hard to think of a reason with so little information.
Maybe the elixir heals conditions like viruses, bacteria, cancer, or magical ones, but since she got hit hard it does not fall in those categories? Feels too weak, the explanation and the elixir...

[Death BOO Z]

2145

it cures all diseases, not any injury. it's a full-heal item, not full-restore.

[Kraco]

Forgot about that S-rank healer. I don't know if Jinwoo knows about him or can sense from his remains he was a healer.

Jinwoo should have been watching the TV broadcast as long as it was online. He would have seen the healer. The dude ought to be an extremely high level healer (to qualify for this group), so most experienced hunters might be aware of him, including Jinwoo.

I don't really like lines of light fights, but I suppose there are only so many ways to depict extreme speed. Fortunately this fight did have plenty of elements, so it was nice. Funnily enough those watching the broadcast would see even less because the broadcast would have, what, 60Hz? Maybe even less, considering there's no powerful radio equipment sending the signal, just a handheld device.

[David75]

2145

it cures all diseases, not any injury. it's a full-heal item, not full-restore.

Humm, so the potion cured everyone else but not Cha because her condition was too severe and the potion not potent enough...

[MFauli]

Yeah, seems Jinwoo is easily the most powerful Hunter in the world now. Not sure how much this premise is going to be able to be able to hold interest, because the hero has already reached the "so OP it's boring" point.


I wonder if they introduce leveling up for everyone. Otherwise, all those S-rank hunters will be literally useless going forward, since I assume Jinwoo will continue to encounter stronger enemies.

Heck, the author might copy more HXH and actually do the Dark Continent before Togashi got to it, lol.

[KrayZ33]

Yeah, seems Jinwoo is easily the most powerful Hunter in the world now. Not sure how much this premise is going to be able to be able to hold interest, because the hero has already reached the "so OP it's boring" point.

Exactly.
The S-Ranks are what made this show interesting.
Them being outclassed and basically declassed to E-Ranks in this fight, and nothing short of that just happened, ruined the whole show.
I'd argue the same for one-punch-man btw. It's necessary that they are able to do stuff.
At the very least OnePunch's premise is the joke behind all of it, this show however tries to be serious and edgy about it.


I wonder if they introduce leveling up for everyone. Otherwise, all those S-rank hunters will be literally useless going forward, since I assume Jinwoo will continue to encounter stronger enemies.

Exactly.


Forgot about that S-rank healer. I don't know if Jinwoo knows about him or can sense from his remains he was a healer.

He shouldn't (from before this raid). But from the broadcast, perhaps. He has obviously watched it and the big panorama shot had him as a healer shown in the team.





Btw. the Black Ant absorbed the power of all his kills.
Meaning he is basically 8 S-Ranks strong. On top of that, he ate the queen. MC defeated him anyway.
Any S rank holding his own against MC must be an absolute canon, making every Korean/Japanese S rank look like an A rank at best.

That means, during the S-Rank training fight bit, MC was just toying with them already (after all, not a single level up has happened from there to now) and any talk about "how good they are" is just pointless pampering trying to make people fawn over him and how "humble" he is or whatever.



This show had a really good MC, really good "NPCs" that have made good decisions and have shown intelligent behaviour (like during the High Orc fight etc). This whole arc ruined it all imho, because no matter what happens now, either everyone becomes MC and levels up and thus it becomes boring, or everyone will remain useless and uninteressing and it will become "Monologue: The Anime"

But guess what, the show is called SOLO LEVELING.

But to be fair, MCs father made it clear that the S-Ranks are pretty useless like 8 episodes ago.

[DarthEnderX]

I wonder if they introduce leveling up for everyone. Otherwise, all those S-rank hunters will be literally useless going forward, since I assume Jinwoo will continue to encounter stronger enemies.Well it IS called "Solo Leveling".



But guess what, the show is called SOLO LEVELING.Lol, yes.

[shinta|hikari]

What if the others are able to unlock a second awakening instead? That's not leveling.

[MFauli]

Thing is, let's assume other characters get to level up, too: Will this anime find a solution to the very real dilemma in MMORPGs that NOBODY is special, because being powerful is simply a matter of "who invests the most time"? At that point, Jinwoo and everyone else would just be racing towards who can grind the most. It'd be absolutely meaningless. Similar to powerlevels in Dragon Ball when Vegeta actively used the saiyans' special ability of exponentially raising their power by getting near-death and told Kuririn to shoot him, then get restored by Dende. Zero effort involved. That's what Solo Leveling would turn into.

The only way of staying interesting is if the story completely ditches old characters, minus demon elf girl, and really goes "Dark Continent" where Jinwoo meets others who are like him and he finds out that there's either a level cap or gaining levels requires a lot more EXP, so he stops getting stronger quickly. And then we can have a cool adventure in "Not-Dark Continent Fantasy World". Although then the question becomes how Jinwoo will stay relevant, because being OP is literally the only thing he has going for him.

Feels like the series has written itselt into a corner.

[shinta|hikari]

But time isn't even a big factor here because there is no respawning or retries. It's not even like hardcore mode for some games because you can always create a new character there. Here, one big mistake means perma-death.

Skill, effort, talent, fortitude, courage, and luck all play a factor, and these are what will separate the strong from the weak. It's similar to sports in the real world. We all have the same amount of time, but not everyone can be Lebron or Lionel.

[MFauli]

But time isn't even a big factor here because there is no respawning or retries. It's not even like hardcore mode for some games because you can always create a new character there. Here, one big mistake means perma-death.

Skill, effort, talent, fortitude, courage, and luck all play a factor, and these are what will separate the strong from the weak. It's similar to sports in the real world. We all have the same amount of time, but not everyone can be Lebron or Lionel.


It's exactly NOT the same as the real world. Jinwoo wants to spend time with his family. Meanwhile some antisocial freak might just keep grinding and grinding. And Jinwoo would never catch up to him. That's how MMORPGs are and that's what it'd be here. Skill and talent play a roll in skill-based games, but Solo Leveling is EXP-based. Jinwoo's speed, reaction and strength all come from the grind, not from himself.

[DarthEnderX]

Thing is, let's assume other characters get to level up, tooI'm assuming his dad already does.

[shinta|hikari]

It's exactly NOT the same as the real world. Jinwoo wants to spend time with his family. Meanwhile some antisocial freak might just keep grinding and grinding. And Jinwoo would never catch up to him. That's how MMORPGs are and that's what it'd be here. Skill and talent play a roll in skill-based games, but Solo Leveling is EXP-based. Jinwoo's speed, reaction and strength all come from the grind, not from himself.

Not true. The premise here is that Jinwoo always had the courage, grit, and talent but was born as a low rank hunter, which is essentially a fixed stat. He did grow exponentially stronger due to the level ups, but just because he survived all his ordeals does not mean anyone else would. He had encountered many situations where he almost died if not for skill, smarts, luck, or a combination of all three. Luck here is mainly due to being the protagonist. Other "players" won't have the same advantage.

Just because someone can level up and starts devoting their time grinding does not mean they can get as strong without risking their lives against stronger enemies, which Jinwoo has done many times to get to this point. He also had motivation to face danger because he needed to save his mother. Hunters generally don't fight against enemies stronger than they are so they don't die, so they will level much slower and gain weaker skills due to not being pushed to the limit.

A good example of this is how Jinwoo's mutilate skill maxed out in this battle because he almost died.

I'm not saying he is the ONLY person who can get this strong, but it's not something just anyone can do.

[MFauli]

Even if he somehow had "talent", he'd still be in a permanent race against other people, being forced to get stronger in order to stay ahead of the curve.

[Kraco]

This show had a really good MC, really good "NPCs" that have made good decisions and have shown intelligent behaviour (like during the High Orc fight etc). This whole arc ruined it all imho, because no matter what happens now, either everyone becomes MC and levels up and thus it becomes boring, or everyone will remain useless and uninteressing and it will become "Monologue: The Anime"

Maybe the anime will get more seasons so that you will see the whole story. Because this isn't the end of it. It's pretty pointless to declare the show ruined when you have only seen half of it. Right now, even the detail explaining why Jinwoo is the solo leveler is still unexplained, after all. It's a foregone conclusion he would get stronger than the S-rankers because he's growing stonger all the time, not to mention he's not stuck to a single skillset like the regular hunters. He's not strictly a mage with no physical combat skills. He's not a pure fighter, nor a pure assassin. He's a master of many trades, which is something hunters find shocking.

[MFauli]

Rewatched the end of the episode. Now I'm leaning towards Jinwoo will shadow the ant king again. His facial expression gives me more of a "I'll have to make this monster my ally and I'm not sure it will work" vibes.And if the ant king has absorbed regeneration skills from the healer, he probably has healing skills, too.

[DarthEnderX]

Rewatched the end of the episode. Now I'm leaning towards Jinwoo will shadow the ant king again.Since DBZ suggested it, I'm leaning towards him shadowing the S-Rank healer. He knows it's the only way to save her, but he KNOWS these guys are going to be horrified to find out he can basically turn people into undead slaves.

They'll wonder how much of his army used to be people. It'll definitely get him branded a monster by some of them. Especially tiger-dude, because it's HIS friend.

[Death BOO Z]

was it established that the ant king can steal moves? I don't remember it.
Or are we just extrapolating from HxH and Cell?

I don't think anyone will get to level up, defintly not one of the S-rank bozos.
more likely that he'll meet a new team of hunters, each more powerful than last seasons, and each more assholish than him.
- chiense
- russian
- american
- whatever european country the author knows

or more secret ranks, as the association secret weapon (established twenty years ago).
I don't believe there will ever be another dungenon that he doesn't brute force, like the first episode.

speaking of, if he went to that room now, with his current powers, do you think he could just defeat the statues?

[shinta|hikari]

Even if he somehow had "talent", he'd still be in a permanent race against other people, being forced to get stronger in order to stay ahead of the curve.

Is that really so bad? It gives the series some tension.

[DarthEnderX]

Why would he even NEED to stay ahead of the curve? The other Hunters are mostly his allies.

[shinta|hikari]

Because there may come a time when they aren't? Like that bitch his dad ragdolled, not to mention the Japanese and other overseas hunters.

[MFauli]

was it established that the ant king can steal moves? I don't remember it.
Or are we just extrapolating from HxH and Cell?

I don't think anyone will get to level up, defintly not one of the S-rank bozos.
more likely that he'll meet a new team of hunters, each more powerful than last seasons, and each more assholish than him.
- chiense
- russian
- american
- whatever european country the author knows

or more secret ranks, as the association secret weapon (established twenty years ago).
I don't believe there will ever be another dungenon that he doesn't brute force, like the first episode.

speaking of, if he went to that room now, with his current powers, do you think he could just defeat the statues?


If S-rank hunters from other countries just happen to be as strong as Jinwoo, I'm gonna call bs.

[shinta|hikari]

Why? Goto was certainly much stronger than the other hunters from Japan and Korea. These 2 countries might just be big fish in a small pond. Places with bigger populations can certainly have stronger hunters just by virtue of numbers.

I don't think they will be as strong as him, but narratively they can at least be in the same league.

[Buffalobiian]

They already introduced Thomas Andrew, the American who can apparently take on an entire country himself, in episode 21.

I don't consider any S-rank that we've seen to date to be able to take on an entire military force and be confident that they'd win. Ultimate Weapon himself would get outshot.

[David75]

S-rank, as in Subpar-rank then?
They need to shift power scales every 2 cours so that Jinwoo keeps getting people/monsters near his level...

[Buffalobiian]

If S rank just means that your mana exceeds the measurement capacity of the machine then I guess there's no higher rank based on magic/mana alone. Technically SS and SSS ranks would be available based on anime convention, if there was a way to categorise them afterwards. Achievements wouldn't seem fit though. It'd have to be some measure of power.

Someone mentioned (a page or two back) about whether the king gains abilities from eating prey. It's not clearly specified if it gains abilities from eaten prey, but it did reveal that it gets stronger from defeating and eating, which I presume to mean that it gets more powerful in its attributes in general. A few hints suggested that the improvement it gains may well be individualised to what it eats.

For example, it started speaking after eating Healer. It also mentioned that its toxin was a mixture of the nearby marine life that was amplified with its own power. That suggests that it collected toxins or developed them, rather than having been born with a venomus, barbed tongue.


Someone also asked about how if the current dagger is a strength-attribute weapon, then would it not be a straight upgrade from fists.
While it does scale with strength, its type of damage would also be different (eg slash damage instead of blunt damage). So not exactly a straight upgrade, but raw damage should be higher than fist assuming the enemy doesn't have extremely high slash resistance. High slash resistance has always been the reason whenever Jinwoo switched back from daggers to fists.

These twin swords being called daggers is funny. They're sword-sized, and their design won't even allow you to stab unless you backhanded them.

[MFauli]

Why? Goto was certainly much stronger than the other hunters from Japan and Korea. These 2 countries might just be big fish in a small pond. Places with bigger populations can certainly have stronger hunters just by virtue of numbers.

I don't think they will be as strong as him, but narratively they can at least be in the same league.

South Korea is not that much smaller to have NONE who is significantly stronger, and yet they have NONE who is. So I'd still call bs.


They already introduced Thomas Andrew, the American who can apparently take on an entire country himself, in episode 21.

I don't consider any S-rank that we've seen to date to be able to take on an entire military force and be confident that they'd win. Ultimate Weapon himself would get outshot.

Everything we've seen from S-ranks in the early episodes shows that they absolutely would obliterate any country's military. Do bullets even hurt an S-rank hunter? Not that they'd be hit with their speed.

Taking on a whole country's army is not exactly impressive.

[KrayZ33]

was it established that the ant king can steal moves? I don't remember it.
Or are we just extrapolating from HxH and Cell?

He ate the head, he learned to speak
He had regen, perhaps because he ate the priest
He had iceblock, perhaps because he ate the gas-mask japanese guy

The only real and direct hint at consumption adding to his skillset is the head-eating part that allowed him to speak. The rest is inconclusive, but his whole idea was "evolution". Even the marine-life poison part could technically have been coating, but very unlikely.

[Buffalobiian]

Everything we've seen from S-ranks in the early episodes shows that they absolutely would obliterate any country's military. Do bullets even hurt an S-rank hunter? Not that they'd be hit with their speed.

Taking on a whole country's army is not exactly impressive.

Think vs helicopters, warships and bombers.

S-rank vs a squad of armed people, I would expect the S rank to win. Even maybe the healer.

Against artillery and carpet bombing? I don't think so.

[DarthEnderX]

For example, it started speaking after eating Healer. It also mentioned that its toxin was a mixture of the nearby marine life that was amplified with its own power. That suggests that it collected toxins or developed them, rather than having been born with a venomus, barbed tongue.I think it's more likely that he inherited those toxins based on the queen's diet. Considering he was JUST hatched, and didn't really have time to go feed on wildlife before this battle started.

[KrayZ33]

I think it's more likely that he inherited those toxins based on the queen's diet. Considering he was JUST hatched, and didn't really have time to go feed on wildlife before this battle started.

Considering his evolution is instant, he had at the very least 24h if we assume the stuff happens chronologically in that episode where he hatched.

[MFauli]

Think vs helicopters, warships and bombers.

S-rank vs a squad of armed people, I would expect the S rank to win. Even maybe the healer.

Against artillery and carpet bombing? I don't think so.

Eh, not sure. The fire guy would obliterate an entire army full of vehicles in an instant. For others, it'd depend on speed and whether or not they can get up in the air. I guess that giant tank guy would be rather easy to take out, he didn't appear as fast. Bow guy depends on how strong his arrows are against metal armor. For someone like Goto (who we ASSUME was strong as hell), it depends on whether or not he can reach a target like a helicopter or plane.

I guess some s-ranks would have no chance, others might.

[shinta|hikari]

The fire guy can't even run fast or fly or teleport. A single jet firing from beyond visual detection would end him.

[Death BOO Z]

ok, here it goes. any hunter with decent equipment can beat any non-magic army.
monsters are magic and can't harmed by non-huners, that's the premiese. even armies can't clear gates or harm monsters.
hunters can have special equipment, but non-hunters can't use that equipment, and since theere is both offensive and defensive equipement, it must mean that even shitty armor gets the same power of monsters, and makes the wearer immune to non-magical damage. even if it just emmulates the defensive profile of a goblin.

do I believe this? of course not. but that's the setting.

speaking of which, what are all those crystals jinwoo gathered for? is there civilian use for them?

[shinta|hikari]

But was it established that special equipment can't be harmed by conventional weapons? Only the monsters are immune right?

If we assume that special equipment by virtue of having magic is immune, that means any hunter with magic is immune, so they don't even need equipment to be invulnerable.

[MFauli]

But was it established that special equipment can't be harmed by conventional weapons? Only the monsters are immune right?

If we assume that special equipment by virtue of having magic is immune, that means any hunter with magic is immune, so they don't even need equipment to be invulnerable.

Which is the point.

And if that's not the case, the writing is just shit in that specific part. Because why would certain equipment be effective against monsters who are immune to normal attacks, but not be effective against those who can't even harm monsters?

[Kraco]

It ought to be somewhat pointless to ponder about the hunters vs non-hunters situation, or non-hunters vs dungeons. These kinds of stories don't want to delve too deep into that issue. For example, those crystals. They ought to be magical to be worth anything. So, what if you make a bullet out of that stuff? Besides, what exactly prevents a hunter from dying from exposure to a nerve agent and other chemical weapons? The same goes for living monsters, for that matter. Stories like this simply must assume that it's worth it only for hunters, using their special powers, to enter the dungeons. And then they also use only medieval weapons for the sake of the style alone.

[MFauli]

It ought to be somewhat pointless to ponder about the hunters vs non-hunters situation, or non-hunters vs dungeons. These kinds of stories don't want to delve too deep into that issue. For example, those crystals. They ought to be magical to be worth anything. So, what if you make a bullet out of that stuff? Besides, what exactly prevents a hunter from dying from exposure to a nerve agent and other chemical weapons? The same goes for living monsters, for that matter. Stories like this simply must assume that it's worth it only for hunters, using their special powers, to enter the dungeons. And then they also use only medieval weapons for the sake of the style alone.

All of these are things that GOOD writing would answer.

[Kraco]

All of these are things that GOOD writing would answer.

Indeed, but the only genuinely good wiriting in this story are the parts that make Jinwoo look cool. That's pretty much the only concern the author ever had. The other characters are pretty weak (as personality depictions and their impact to the story). The female characters are pretty faces, but that's it.

At least only hunters ever entering the dungeons could be explained with the gates themselves. Maybe only someone with mana (that is, a hunter) can enter a gate. Non-hunters would see it but couldn't interact with it. I don't actually remember if this series ever bothered to come up with such a detail.

If you consider how weak Jinwoo, the weakest hunter in the world, used to be, it's impossible to imagine that he couldn't have been killed by a bullet. In fact I don't really see why the magician class, to name one, wouldn't die to a sniper rifle bullet if surprised. The fighters can take a real punch, so maybe they would passively deflect a bullet. On the other hand, if we consider heat energy, Jinwoo did seek protection from it before entering the demon realm. If heat from magic different from heat from a chemical reaction? This story wouldn't want to bother with it.

[Buffalobiian]

At least only hunters ever entering the dungeons could be explained with the gates themselves. Maybe only someone with mana (that is, a hunter) can enter a gate. Non-hunters would see it but couldn't interact with it. I don't actually remember if this series ever bothered to come up with such a detail.

I think that's at least implied. There's no need for pack mules or salvage crews to be hunters otherwise when all they do is manual labour.

[MFauli]

Btw Kraco, you are literally THE ONLY active Gotwoot-member not yet in the Gotwoot-discord. Join so we don't lose you in case this website ever goes down :>

[KrayZ33]

I think that's at least implied. There's no need for pack mules or salvage crews to be hunters otherwise when all they do is manual labour.

People without mana, and thus without being able to be a hunter, get the eternal sleep sickness over time, just by standing near hunters.

[shinta|hikari]

Based on what I'm reading from everyone, monsters and hunters are immune to anything non-magical, and that even monster/hunter melee fighter attacks are by nature magical, which allows the to kill each other. Is this correct?

[KrayZ33]

Monsters are... not sure about hunters.
Perhaps it's the "magic" that makes them invulnerable to normal weapons.
But this story is probably never going to bother actually explaining it because it takes the attention towards how the world would work under these new rules

The author just doesn't want you to think about it, because he doesn't want to write anything about it and find a solution.

It's the same with the magic stones.
Also we don't know how weapons are crafted.
And if we knew how wepaons are crafted, we'd think about why the military won't get these weapons or as someone already suggested, why the ammo won't have magic-stone tips or whatever etc. etc. etc.

[Buffalobiian]

People without mana, and thus without being able to be a hunter, get the eternal sleep sickness over time, just by standing near hunters.

I had totally forgotten about this detail.

[DarthEnderX]

Btw Kraco, you are literally THE ONLY active Gotwoot-member not yet in the Gotwoot-discord. Join so we don't lose you in case this website ever goes down :>Do it Krac!


People without mana, and thus without being able to be a hunter, get the eternal sleep sickness over time, just by standing near hunters.I'm pretty sure they only might get it. Otherwise they'd be completely quarantined from normal people. Because they'd be functionally radioactive.

[KrayZ33]

I'm pretty sure they only might get it. Otherwise they'd be completely quarantined from normal people. Because they'd be functionally radioactive.

Probably, but I guess tolerance against magic is a thing then and magic power leaks out of gates that can be measured.

[Buffalobiian]

E25

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The whole "Shadows have their personality and memory" bit doesn't quite gel with how Iron was just a selfish twat before he died. That doesn't really work with here. At least monsters seem to fit into pecking order.

[Kraco]

The end didn't announce a new season and there was that strange speech about hunters. I wonder if that means this is it for the anime. Introducing the new characters could still be explained with this being advertisement for the novel and manhwa. But I hope there will be a third season.


The whole "Shadows have their personality and memory" bit doesn't quite gel with how Iron was just a selfish twat before he died. That doesn't really work with here. At least monsters seem to fit into pecking order.

It seems like the stronger a monster (or a hunter) was in life, the more intelligent they will be as a shadow. Shadow-Iron doesn't speak, but he has got some personality left, even if it's not exactly the same personality he had in life.

[MFauli]

Would be insane if the anime didn't continue.

I guess Cha's speech confirms that there WILL be a way to get stronger for all the S-ranks, otherwise her scene would have made no sense at all. It will be pure bs when suddenly everyone can re-re-awaken, but I guess that's what it is.

Also did Jinwoo hit a level cap at level 100 or does it just continue with level 101?

Getting THAT many EXP for destroying the ant eggs was dumb, though, lol. When you're at level 95 or something, stomping eggs shoudln't get you several level-ups :D

I still think it's BS that S-ranks from other countries are THAT much stronger than Korea's and Japan's S-ranks that they apparently could have defeated Beru. Then what we saw before is just dumb misrepresentation by the author, because it should be public knowledge in this world how powerful certain S-ranks in other countries are. "It's all secret" blabla.

Releasing the healer felt super dumb, but you'd think Jinwoo would simply learn some healing abilities himself at this point.

Anyway, we'll see. The major thing I fear will happen is that powerlevels stop making ANY sense, with new villains being introduced every time Jinwoo overcomes the next obstacle. Basically what Dragon Ball did, except Dragon Ball is not to be taken seriously, this show takes itself over-serious.

The final question remains: Which is the hottest girl?
- Healer
- Step-sister
- School girl
- Cha Hae
- Demon elf girl

For now I'll go with Cha, but demon elf girl has potential.

[Buffalobiian]

I guess Cha's speech confirms that there WILL be a way to get stronger for all the S-ranks, otherwise her scene would have made no sense at all. It will be pure bs when suddenly everyone can re-re-awaken, but I guess that's what it is.

You get "stronger" by learning Judo etc. You don't get stronger by getting better stats or getting new skills. That's why Go still trained when people asked him why he bothered when he's an S-rank, and why Tank dude said that the white ants were as strong as an S-rank, but hunters with coordination and thinking could kill them.


It seems like the stronger a monster (or a hunter) was in life, the more intelligent they will be as a shadow. Shadow-Iron doesn't speak, but he has got some personality left, even if it's not exactly the same personality he had in life.

Iron has a personality currently, yes. The shadows also apparently appear to have varying willingness to serve or have initiative on their own. Iron should be a pain in the ass for Jinwoo to control given Iron's dislike for Jinwoo, but that's not what we're shown.

[MFauli]

You get "stronger" by learning Judo etc. You don't get stronger by getting better stats or getting new skills. That's why Go still trained when people asked him why he bothered when he's an S-rank, and why Tank dude said that the white ants were as strong as an S-rank, but hunters with coordination and thinking could kill them.
.

Wat? No, all of that is wrong.

Your rank decides how strong you are. The training we saw S-rank hunters do might make them minmally stronger just like real training would do, but it has nothing on Jinwoo's level rising. So unless they all re-re-awaken, training will never get Cha significantly stronger, she wouldn't even be able to defeat Igris.

[Kraco]

Iron has a personality currently, yes. The shadows also apparently appear to have varying willingness to serve or have initiative on their own. Iron should be a pain in the ass for Jinwoo to control given Iron's dislike for Jinwoo, but that's not what we're shown.

Since those shadows are basically undead ghosts, Jinwoo being the necromancer, they are all his slaves, to put it bluntly. He should never have any trouble controlling them, regardless of what they thought of him while alive. However, we have already seen Iron do some stupid stunts as a shadow, just like he was stupid in life. The stunts are just somewhat different since as a necromancer's summon, he will be forever loyal and thus any disobedience won't play a role. That doesn't mean the shadows wouldn't do things on their own to varying degrees, probably dictated by the power level in life, which seems to lead to higher intelligence as a shadow. And any personality quirks.


The final question remains: Which is the hottest girl?
- Healer
- Step-sister
- School girl
- Cha Hae
- Demon elf girl

For now I'll go with Cha, but demon elf girl has potential.

Hunter Cha. However, the demon girl is more interesting. It was funny how in the beginning she kept looking for a chance to backstab Jinwoo, despite shamelessly pleading for mercy. She's a hilarious case, whereas Cha is just a beautiful hard worker, apparently with some chemistry with Jinwoo (even literally, considering her sense of smell).

[Buffalobiian]

Wat? No, all of that is wrong.

Your rank decides how strong you are. The training we saw S-rank hunters do might make them minmally stronger just like real training would do, but it has nothing on Jinwoo's level rising. So unless they all re-re-awaken, training will never get Cha significantly stronger, she wouldn't even be able to defeat Igris.

Yes the training will make them minimally stronger without significantly breaching large gaps in power such as the existing alphabetical ranking.

Cha intends to train to get that little bit stronger, or rather - as strong as feasibly possible. She's not training with the idea that she'll improve massively since that doesn't happen. She might re-awaken, but that has nothing to do with training and is a lottery.


Since those shadows are basically undead ghosts, Jinwoo being the necromancer, they are all his slaves, to put it bluntly. He should never have any trouble controlling them, regardless of what they thought of him while alive. However, we have already seen Iron do some stupid stunts as a shadow, just like he was stupid in life. The stunts are just somewhat different since as a necromancer's summon, he will be forever loyal and thus any disobedience won't play a role. That doesn't mean the shadows wouldn't do things on their own to varying degrees, probably dictated by the power level in life, which seems to lead to higher intelligence as a shadow. And any personality quirks.

I agree that the necromancer/must-obey thing is how this is supposed to work. That's how it's been shown thus far. Until Berus, essentially.
And given that's how the command/summon is supposed to work, questions like "Don't you resent having to serve me?" or "Can you thin them out?" are meaningless.

[Death BOO Z]

I wasn't aware he could release shadows. I thought that maybe he's being smart and pretending to "hear" the healer dude and then releasing im as a way to get over the bad blood making him a shodow can create. but if he frames it as coming from the person and makes a big show of releasing him, then it appears justified (and even as honoring the healers wishes).

which nation was the dual-wielding swords guy from?
Cha can say that she wants to be stronger as many times as she wants, but come S3 and she'll get the same screen time as healer girl and sister friend girl.

demon elf girl is the top rank for me, winning with personality (she has one) and spunk.
Cha takes a high place because she's hot and half the reason I started watching this. what happened to her hankerchief quirck?

It would be funny that the rich kid told jinwoo not to mess around with the younger girl, and now it looks like they are together. it would actually be characters behaving like characters, they aren't, it just the show being weird.
1. it looks like they are dating, since they are always together.
2. same for B-rank healer girl and C-rank one-arm mage sword master, they are always at the same scenes.
3. Cha went to train at a dojo, the only sword master teacher we know is the C-rank, so it kind of seems like she's going to train under him.

so, was level 100 significant or not?


edit:


The final question remains: Which is the hottest girl?
- Healer
- Step-sister
- School girl
- Cha Hae
- Demon elf girl



I didn't know she was step-sister...

[Buffalobiian]

which nation was the dual-wielding swords guy from?

No way he's not from China.

As for the girls, they're all hot. The B-rank healer girl from the Ice Elf dungeon has a nice hair accessory though that does make her stand out. I do like each of the different girls at various moments though, except Demon girl. Cha Hae is on the hot list, but otherwise I just see "he smells nice" and "do I look weird?".

[Kraco]

I agree that the necromancer/must-obey thing is how this is supposed to work. That's how it's been shown thus far. Until Berus, essentially.

I suppose since shadow Beru is intelligent enough to talk, he might be intelligent enough to betray as well. He swore to eternally serve Jinwoo, but if you have intelligence and can talk, you can say anything without meaning a word of it. Though that being said, considering how mighty Jinwoo's necromancy skill is, it would seem like a strange oversight. His UI did recognise shadow Beru's power level as well, so it's not like he would have hit an integer overflow and thus the result would be unpredictable. But then again, Jinwoo simply got the necromancy skill as is, so he doesn't know anything about it, aside from how to use it.

[MFauli]

Would be the most epic twist if Beru LIED about obeying Jinwoo, LOL. Imagine Beru doing as Jinwoo says for a lengthy time, only to say "No" at a pivotal time in the story :D

Fuck, now I'm hyped for a scene that will probably never happen ^^

[DarthEnderX]

Dismissing the S-Rank healer seems very shortsighted. What happens the next time he needs to save someone's life?

[David75]

Dismissing the S-Rank healer seems very shortsighted. What happens the next time he needs to save someone's life?
To me Jinwoo has that healing power with Beru. Based on the idea that Beru can steal abilities from the ones he defeats.

[DarthEnderX]

To me Jinwoo has that healing power with Beru.Then why didn't he just raise Beru first to begin with?

[Buffalobiian]

Then why didn't he just raise Beru first to begin with?

There's no guarantee Beru can heal others, while it's guaranteed the healer could. Also, apparently Jinwoo heard healer call out to rez him.

[Kraco]

Would be the most epic twist if Beru LIED about obeying Jinwoo, LOL. Imagine Beru doing as Jinwoo says for a lengthy time, only to say "No" at a pivotal time in the story :D

Fuck, now I'm hyped for a scene that will probably never happen ^^

I feel like a black hole would be more likely to suddenly open in the middle of the Earth than anyone ever lying in these Japanese or Korean series, in any situation where it would actually matter in the greater story.


There's no guarantee Beru can heal others, while it's guaranteed the healer could. Also, apparently Jinwoo heard healer call out to rez him.

It feels weird to write this right after saying nobody ever lies, but since this is a case where it doesn't really matter, I'd say Jinwoo used a white lie to make it easier for the other S rank hunters to accept seeing their colleague/friend turned into an undead creature. Since Jinwoo actually released the healer afterwards, I'd say they are much happier this way because they didn't lose Cha, thanks to that. Cha herself must be the happiest one of them all.

[Buffalobiian]

It feels weird to write this right after saying nobody ever lies, but since this is a case where it doesn't really matter, I'd say Jinwoo used a white lie to make it easier for the other S rank hunters to accept seeing their colleague/friend turned into an undead creature. Since Jinwoo actually released the healer afterwards, I'd say they are much happier this way because they didn't lose Cha, thanks to that. Cha herself must be the happiest one of them all.

Apparently in the Korean version of this show, they actually played the voiceline saying "use my powers" or something right at the end of last week's episode (where Jinwoo suddenly turns his head before the episode finishes).

[DarthEnderX]

I'd say Jinwoo used a white lie to make it easier for the other S rank hunters to accept seeing their colleague/friend turned into an undead creature.That's what I thought too. That he was putting on a show.