Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation

[Munsu]

I wish there was a spinoff of Ghislaine just adventuring and just being badass fighting everyone around.

[Ryllharu]

Gotta admit, a little weirded out by the toddler maid.

It's cute, but it's also just weird. At least she's the more energetic of the two sisters, and really seems to get along with Sylphie.

Speaking of which, I kind of wish they showed how she's been "acting out" the last two years without Rudeus around. Instead all we got was narration. Even a 5 second montage like how we get Roxy setting the horny prince on fire over her own narrations would have been better.

[MFauli]

Not gonna lie: Earlier today I googled where I can report illegal content to German legal services. Not because I want to have anything censored, but to clear up whether in Germany sexualized underage anime girls are legal or not. Because the scene with Rudy and Eris was pretty much child porn If anime girls are treated like real children. Which would be stupid, ofc, but Germany is stupid, as games like Bikuhini or Game Gals had been banned here. Instead of beating around the bush, that would give confirmation to what's it gonna be. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a form to enter my request and I don't wanna go to court lol.

Anyway, what I've been thinking: Mages pretty much NEED a close combat fighter to protect them. Otherwise the speed of strong fighters like Ghislaine would totally overwhelm their attempts of casting magic.

Also, why did Sylphie not grow at all in all the years?! And let your hair grow, girl, dammit.

[DarthEnderX]

Anyway, what I've been thinking: Mages pretty much NEED a close combat fighter to protect them. Otherwise the speed of strong fighters like Ghislaine would totally overwhelm their attempts of casting magic.For normal mages that had to chant. But Rudeus can quickcast.


Also, why did Sylphie not grow at all in all the years?! And let your hair grow, girl, dammit.Well, she's an elf. They probably age slower.

[MFauli]

For normal mages that had to chant. But Rudeus can quickcast.

Well, she's an elf. They probably age slower.

1.) But Rudy's arm nor mouth move fast enough to defend against light-speed fighters lol. It's 'I am super Vegeta!' Vs Cell all over again.

2.) Rudy: *happy perv noises*

[Buffalobiian]

Anyway, what I've been thinking: Mages pretty much NEED a close combat fighter to protect them. Otherwise the speed of strong fighters like Ghislaine would totally overwhelm their attempts of casting magic.

Depends on what world-class mages can do. Ghislaine is one of those.

This episode was more tasteful. At least Eris was consenting here.

I wonder if the little maid knew Paul was her father. The family dynamics would be weird.. "Why do I have to clean but my sister doesn't?" etc.

[MFauli]

This episode was more tasteful. At least Eris was consenting here.

EVERYONE:

Buff: This episode was more tasteful

;o

[Kraco]

I wonder if the little maid knew Paul was her father. The family dynamics would be weird.. "Why do I have to clean but my sister doesn't?" etc.

Only from a modern point of view. In the past people lived with the knowledge that some people were simply born into a higher position than others and pretty much nothing would ever change it. That's just how the world was. I imagine Lilia has told her daughter that Paul is her father, but she's still not the same as Zenith's daughter.

[Munsu]

Only from a modern point of view. In the past people lived with the knowledge that some people were simply born into a higher position than others and pretty much nothing would ever change it. That's just how the world was. I imagine Lilia has told her daughter that Paul is her father, but she's still not the same as Zenith's daughter.

Or it could just very well be Lilia's parenting style. I very much doubt that Paul and Zenith are putting her to work for them, so I'd think it's more Lilia's doing more than anything and Paul is wise enough to stay away from interfering with Lilia's way of doing things.

[Kraco]

Or it could just very well be Lilia's parenting style. I very much doubt that Paul and Zenith are putting her to work for them, so I'd think it's more Lilia's doing more than anything and Paul is wise enough to stay away from interfering with Lilia's way of doing things.

Yeah, I agree. At the end of the day, Lilia is looking after the kid this way.

[MFauli]

What are they 'working' anyway? Can't be a lot. Cooking, washing, buying groceries ... typical housewive stuff. If Zenith just sits around bored to hell, Lilia probably has the more fun life.

[DarthEnderX]

1.) But Rudy's arm nor mouth move fast enough to defend against light-speed fighters lol.He's only 10...Ghislain is a seasoned master. When he's been doing magic as long as she's been swordfighting, who knows how fast he'll be.

[Ryllharu]

What are they 'working' anyway? Can't be a lot. Cooking, washing, buying groceries ... typical housewive stuff. If Zenith just sits around bored to hell, Lilia probably has the more fun life.

Zenith gardens. She grew the trees that Roxy and Rudy kept using for target practice.

[Kraco]

Episode 9




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This was a pretty good episode. I'm always surprised by how much characterisation Eris always has. She has a really strong personality, partially thanks to the decent animation budget, of course.

Hitogami was as creepy animated as I'd have expected.

[Ryllharu]

I do like that Eris, an avowed tomboy, after getting over her fear of the Superd guy, was gleefully taking in everything. The creepy plant, the decorated tortoise shell homes, passing out with zero defenses, and then playing with her new gifted sword in the background.

She feels like a 12 year old, who's main parental figures are a grandfather who does whatever the hell he wants, and a catgirl warrior.

Ignoring the inherent danger of where they are. Feels like her portrayal really is a child. Unlike Rudeus, who is cautious, rational, and patient (or at least not rash to act in a crisis).

I kinda figured Roxy was actually older than she appeared, but that is a bit surprising. All of her people are really young looking. I guess that kind of follows for a series like this.

[KrayZ33]

Episode 9




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This was a pretty good episode. I'm always surprised by how much characterisation Eris always has. She has a really strong personality, partially thanks to the decent animation budget, of course.

Hitogami was as creepy animated as I'd have expected.

Ya, I was really happy with how Eris was doing things in this episode.
I think they did a great job showing us what she likes, dislikes, what she thinks about things and what she thinks about what needs to be done, by letting her do stuff or letting her react to stuff.

That's always fun to watch, no matter who that character is.

It's the same thing with the new character.
Just him interacting with Eris and him "keeping up with her bullshit", you already get some character development. Pretty sweet.


This episode was over in a second. Must have been because it was super interesting.

[Munsu]

Missed the OP song in this episode, they should've used it when they began traveling through the Demon Continent.

[Ryllharu]

Missed the OP song in this episode, they should've used it when they began traveling through the Demon Continent.

The lack of the song with the credits still rolling over the scene made the faceless god all the creepier and less trustworthy.

[MFauli]

This episode made me remember how long it's been that we last had a fantasy anime with a proper journey. Them traveling the desert/plains was great. Nowadays, fantasy anime all take place in fixed locations, in 'bases' where everyone returns to after every mission. I prefer journeys.

[Munsu]

One thing I would've liked to see animated was what happened as they were transported. He was falling through the sky holding Eris, so experiencing that through Rudeus' POV should've been awesome if animated properly.

[DarthEnderX]

MB's video on this show is really good.


https://youtu.be/eqvsLx6KV4I

The chapter title "Reincarnated as Still a Scumbag" made me lol.

[KrayZ33]

MB's video on this show is really good.

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The chapter title "Reincarnated as Still a Scumbag" made me lol.

Watching this video and focusing on the animation makes me realize how flipping amazing and more importantly, interesting, basically all of the scenes look.
There is always so much going on in most scenes, the background, the facial animations, the gestures...
I'm so glad that this show has happened and I hope I get to see a lot more from the same studio in the future.

Even the small things like Zenith and Lilia rocking their babies differently that fits slightly more to each character etc.

[Munsu]

Watching this video and focusing on the animation makes me realize how flipping amazing and more importantly, interesting, basically all of the scenes look.
There is always so much going on in most scenes, the background, the facial animations, the gestures...
I'm so glad that this show has happened and I hope I get to see a lot more from the same studio in the future.

Even the small things like Zenith and Lilia rocking their babies differently that fits slightly more to each character etc.

And it's a new studio, this is their first anime... looks like it's a joint venture from White Fox (animation) and Egg Firm (production). Also would be interested to see if this is a new team from White Fox as in new people recruited for Studio Bind, or if they're one of the same teams that work for them all along. Also, how much of the quality is due to the production company side?

Regardless, hope they continue to do well. Seems like this could be like Wit Studio, which made a name for themselves with Attack on Titan if they handle things right.

[MFauli]

MB's video on this show is really good.


https://youtu.be/eqvsLx6KV4I

The chapter title "Reincarnated as Still a Scumbag" made me lol.

I didnt find the video good, because that guy can never decide one a stance when it comes to the gross pervy scenes. On one hand he understand how this is shit that many don't wanna see, then he talks about how it's all part of Rudy's growth etc..

The real problem with these pervy scenes is that they DONT show any character growth in Rudy and, worse, that there's never a consequence to it. Maaaybe the big twist is that this whole society is one where perverts are accepted, but this hasn't been portrayed to the viewer thus far. As it stands, Paul is a rapist and cheater, his brother is a perv who offers his 12yo daughter to a 10yo boy, the grandpa is abusing the maids in secret. And Rudy treasures his teacher's panties, secretly observed her during masturbation, forced Ghilaine to let him touch her ass, groped and tried to undress Eris while she was asleep, then groped her again and tried to actually fuck her later on. On the market, a guy tried to sell him an aphrodisiac, explaining in detail to a then 8yo boy what this potion is about. Oh, and Roxy is fine with being repeatedly groped by the nasty child she's teaching, just putting him on flame for comedic relief.

None of these scenes are put in ANY context, other than "happening". That's what makes Mushoku Tensei a trash anime and no amount of good animation will be able to undo that shit.

I like the initial setup. I'm close to being that ugly bastard-Rudy, except for the loli stuff, no interest in that. So I would love to see such a story to unfold properly. But that never happens. If all the above listed scenes had believable consequences, THEN it'd be interesting and THEN there would be actual character growth. For example: When Roxy found out about him stealing her panties, she should have told the parents and he should have received punishment for it, because, BOO HOY, stealing a girl's panties isn't okay. When Rudy groped Eris in her sleep, he should have had a severe flashback to his old life and then stopped, reminding himself that this is a new life and he ought to be better. OR, because it doesnt need to be moral story, he should have had some inner monologue along the lines of "I missed out on this in my past life, now I'm gonna do whatever I want, haha!", doubling down on the behavior. When the nasty boy groped Eris, she should have told his parents, and if they didn't believe or if she was scared of them not believing her, she should have just left at once.

This anime never has any of that. No consequences at all. And that makes it a trash isekai, similar to all the other trash isekai. Except better, but not so much better to escape the label "trash anime". If you wanna praise this anime, and you can do that, then only by embracing the gross, dumb, trashy pervy scenes. But dismissing them as "I understand why many dont want to see this", then proceeding to praise the anime, that's having your cake and eating it, too.

[Munsu]

MFauli, despite whatever good points you bring, your bias is showing. You're only hating on this purely because Redo of Healer is not as well regarded as this. That's the bottom line, and you know it... or should know it.

In fact, I dare say if we didn't have Redo of Healer yet, you wouldn't be bending over backwards in dismissing this series, in fact you'd be one of its biggest supporters.

Your complaints about this series and how you're critiquing it is not consistent on how you've discussed other series, with other pervs, etc. in all the time you've been here. It's not genuine. I don't want to dismiss the points you bring up, but it's faux outrage coming from you the way I see it.

To take a line from you on Redo of Healer:



This anime is fun to watch and those who complain and are still watching are idiots.


My 2 cents.

[MFauli]

MFauli, despite whatever good points you bring, your bias is showing. You're only hating on this purely because Redo of Healer is not as well regarded as this. That's the bottom line, and you know it... or should know it.

In fact, I dare say if we didn't have Redo of Healer yet, you wouldn't be bending over backwards in dismissing this series, in fact you'd be one of its biggest supporters.

Your complaints about this series and how you're critiquing it is not consistent on how you've discussed other series, with other pervs, etc. in all the time you've been here. It's not genuine. I don't want to dismiss the points you bring up, but it's faux outrage coming from you the way I see it.

To take a line from you on Redo of Healer:



My 2 cents.

You misunderstood my posting then, Munsu: I do quite enjoy this anime. I can ignore the trash just like I ignored it in other trash isekai anime. I was responding to the video posted about where the guy in the video says things that aren't consistent with each other. Redo of Healer got nothing to do with anything, although I will add that Redo of Healer is NOT as bad as Mushoku when it comes to questionable stuff. Redo straight forward is a revenge story and features sex/rape. That's it. Mushoku features the same, except also lots of pedophilia, like, lots. And not the American brand of pedophilie where finding a 15 yo curvy girl makes you a pedo, no, actual pedophilia aka attraction to prepubescent children. So in that regard, that people like Gigguk glance over Mushoku's shit but condemn Redo? That's indeed unfair.

But all that aside: I do enjoy Mushoku. All scenes that don't involve Rudy's contextless perv scenes are great. These perv scenes are so context-less that I'm sure someone will do a fan-edit once the whole series is out and remove all those scenes and suddenly we'll have a proper, great fantasy story (and no, im not pro-censorship, im just saying how easy it is to turn this into non-trash). I'd start repeating myself if Icontinued now, so let me just say this again: If all the perv scenes had true consequences attached to them, I'd love this anime so much more. As is, it's high-quality trash isekai.

[Munsu]

You misunderstood my posting then, Munsu: I do quite enjoy this anime. I can ignore the trash just like I ignored it in other trash isekai anime. I was responding to the video posted about where the guy in the video says things that aren't consistent with each other. Redo of Healer got nothing to do with anything, although I will add that Redo of Healer is NOT as bad as Mushoku when it comes to questionable stuff. Redo straight forward is a revenge story and features sex/rape. That's it. Mushoku features the same, except also lots of pedophilia, like, lots. And not the American brand of pedophilie where finding a 15 yo curvy girl makes you a pedo, no, actual pedophilia aka attraction to prepubescent children. So in that regard, that people like Gigguk glance over Mushoku's shit but condemn Redo? That's indeed unfair.

But all that aside: I do enjoy Mushoku. All scenes that don't involve Rudy's contextless perv scenes are great. These perv scenes are so context-less that I'm sure someone will do a fan-edit once the whole series is out and remove all those scenes and suddenly we'll have a proper, great fantasy story (and no, im not pro-censorship, im just saying how easy it is to turn this into non-trash). I'd start repeating myself if Icontinued now, so let me just say this again: If all the perv scenes had true consequences attached to them, I'd love this anime so much more. As is, it's high-quality trash isekai.

I do understand your posts quite well, it's the same rant you've been going on for a while now which is inconsistent with how you regarded things in the past. As I said, regardless of the good points you may bring about the video, the basis of it remains the same from what you've said for some weeks now.

Your only issue is that this series is well regarded, and others are not... your failure to comprehend why that is keeps you in this disbelief state that's making you rant about things you don't even really believe. Your binky anime is not getting the same treatment, so you have some sort of incredible need to drag this series down to the level of other series without any need for it. At times using false equivalences. That's my point.

I'll leave it at that, you're ruining the anime for yourself or in the process of doing so, which is a shame. It's similar when you have a song you really like, then it becomes popular then you can't help yourself but begin to hate it. I think you'd be better of stop comparing the series to avoid that from happening. In trying to convince people that this anime is not as good as it could be or should be, you're creating a self-fulfilling prophecy, and in my opinion needlessly (for yourself).

[MFauli]

You make it sound like I'm a huge fan of Redo of Healer lol

[Munsu]

You make it sound like I'm a huge fan of Redo of Healer lol

It's immaterial if you're a huge fan of it or not, it's still your binky for the season or was (maybe things have changed since then), but the difference in how that series is treated and this one is what has thrown you into this loop. And I mean, I share some of the criticism you have about this series, just don't think it's actually genuine or at least not something you truly believe and I think you'll end up ruining the experience for yourself. That's what I want to get across more than anything, to not ruin it for yourself attacking it about things you usually wouldn't give a second thought about just so that the series isn't as well regarded as it currently is. Well, to each his own I guess.

[DarthEnderX]

Watching this video and focusing on the animation makes me realize how flipping amazing and more importantly, interesting, basically all of the scenes look.Oh yeah. I can complain about the content of this series all I want, but I can't argue that it LOOKS amazing.


I didnt find the video good, because that guy can never decide one a stance when it comes to the gross pervy scenes. On one hand he understand how this is shit that many don't wanna see, then he talks about how it's all part of Rudy's growth etc..Yeah, it's almost as if his take is nuanced instead of just copy/pasted from one of two extremes off the internet.


If all the above listed scenes had believable consequences, THEN it'd be interesting and THEN there would be actual character growth.Like the video points out though, the consequences(i.e. none), ARE believable for the kind of primitive medieval society he's in.

The only ACTUAL consequence is the women he's victimizing thinking less of him. Which is something that is actually starting to bother him.

[Ryllharu]

You misunderstood my posting then, Munsu: I do quite enjoy this anime. I can ignore the trash just like I ignored it in other trash isekai anime. I was responding to the video posted about where the guy in the video says things that aren't consistent with each other. Redo of Healer got nothing to do with anything, although I will add that Redo of Healer is NOT as bad as Mushoku when it comes to questionable stuff. Redo straight forward is a revenge story and features sex/rape. That's it. Mushoku features the same, except also lots of pedophilia, like, lots. And not the American brand of pedophilie where finding a 15 yo curvy girl makes you a pedo, no, actual pedophilia aka attraction to prepubescent children. So in that regard, that people like Gigguk glance over Mushoku's shit but condemn Redo? That's indeed unfair.

I think you kind of missed the point that the video made. In your defense, it is almost a throwaway line as the guy continues on defending the series from the ANN-style complaints leveled at it in isolation.

The video made the key point that Mushoku Tensei examines perviness as a setting. Not as fanservice. Something a lot of series do a really shitty job at. All the isekai series for example. Fanservice happens, but it either has no consequences at all, no impact to the setting, and portrays it to modern standards (or at least Shōwa or early Heisei Era, where train groping gets someone slapped, maybe, forced to flee, not caught and jailed like the current Reiwa era).

Think of it as its opposite. If a modern day pervert got sent back to Puritan era Colonial America and they acted out, they be hanged as a witch. Done, the end. Most ecchi series just brush things off despite the setting. Goody Hawthorne's skirts blew up, and she blushed before telling the protagonist she's embarrassed. Shit moves on. That's fanservice. That's Isekai Slime. That's Re:Zero. That's No Game No Life.

It's another world through a Heisei Era lens. Not actually another world.

Mushoku Tensei's ecchiness has more in common with Berserk than it does Konosuba. Rape happens. Women are casually disrespected, kemonomimi servants are treated like sex toys, their appearances used for family gags, it recognizes that women get urges and aren't pure.

But all that aside: I do enjoy Mushoku. All scenes that don't involve Rudy's contextless perv scenes are great. These perv scenes are so context-less that I'm sure someone will do a fan-edit once the whole series is out and remove all those scenes and suddenly we'll have a proper, great fantasy story (and no, im not pro-censorship, im just saying how easy it is to turn this into non-trash). I'd start repeating myself if Icontinued now, so let me just say this again: If all the perv scenes had true consequences attached to them, I'd love this anime so much more. As is, it's high-quality trash isekai.
There are consequences, tableaus, etc. You are specifically ignoring them. That's what the others are getting at.

- Rudy was a pervert in his old life. He treated women as objects.
/ The way Paul treats women has begun to disgust him.
- If you look carefully, and it is shown in that video, what was he watching exactly during his parent's funeral when he brother or whoever came in to kick his ass? Hidden camera footage from a bathroom!
/ He feels bad about spying on Roxy. He feels bad about peeping/creeping on Eris, or she kicked his ass for it, and he reflected on it. Not ignored it and moved with the episode like this was Love Hina.
- He was into anime and all sorts of stuff like that, he was initially thrilled to see animal girls.
/ He cringed when Eris did the animal girl pose. He got uncomfortable when he witnessed the grandfather "using" one. We're given Ghislaine as the stark contrast to the other animal girls. Someone Eris' family treats with respect, and allows her to learn alongside their precious daughter, not just there as a guard and teacher.
- He ogles women. All the time. Back to objectification of his old life and early new childhood.
/ Lilia tells the story that she very much noticed, and she thought he was possessed. Increasing his awareness, and we've seen him dial it back significantly, looking aside more.

There's more, but I think that's all the effort I am willing to put into this.

[MFauli]

There are consequences, tableaus, etc. You are specifically ignoring them. That's what the others are getting at.

- Rudy was a pervert in his old life. He treated women as objects.
/ The way Paul treats women has begun to disgust him.
- If you look carefully, and it is shown in that video, what was he watching exactly during his parent's funeral when he brother or whoever came in to kick his ass? Hidden camera footage from a bathroom!
/ He feels bad about spying on Roxy. He feels bad about peeping/creeping on Eris, or she kicked his ass for it, and he reflected on it. Not ignored it and moved with the episode like this was Love Hina.
- He was into anime and all sorts of stuff like that, he was initially thrilled to see animal girls.
/ He cringed when Eris did the animal girl pose. He got uncomfortable when he witnessed the grandfather "using" one. We're given Ghislaine as the stark contrast to the other animal girls. Someone Eris' family treats with respect, and allows her to learn alongside their precious daughter, not just there as a guard and teacher.
- He ogles women. All the time. Back to objectification of his old life and early new childhood.
/ Lilia tells the story that she very much noticed, and she thought he was possessed. Increasing his awareness, and we've seen him dial it back significantly, looking aside more.

There's more, but I think that's all the effort I am willing to put into this.


Where are the consequences?! Is my english so bad that my definition of "consequences" is entirely different from yours? He feels disgusted by Paul's behavior ... so what? He goes on to do more and worse.

:/

[Ryllharu]

Where are the consequences?! Is my english so bad that my definition of "consequences" is entirely different from yours?
Your definition is narrow, yes. "Retribution," "Punishment," and "Consequence" are not direct synonyms.

That's the difference between Mushoku Tensei and Zero no Tsukaima.

[KrayZ33]

You misunderstood my posting then, Munsu: I do quite enjoy this anime. I can ignore the trash just like I ignored it in other trash isekai anime. I was responding to the video posted about where the guy in the video says things that aren't consistent with each other. Redo of Healer got nothing to do with anything, although I will add that Redo of Healer is NOT as bad as Mushoku when it comes to questionable stuff. Redo straight forward is a revenge story and features sex/rape. That's it. Mushoku features the same, except also lots of pedophilia, like, lots. And not the American brand of pedophilie where finding a 15 yo curvy girl makes you a pedo, no, actual pedophilia aka attraction to prepubescent children. So in that regard, that people like Gigguk glance over Mushoku's shit but condemn Redo? That's indeed unfair.

I already love how biased your opinion is when you say that Mushoku is featuring "lots" of pedophilia while simultaniously basically saying that Redo of Healer doesn't, even though not a single character in the main cast is actually an adult and one of the girls that is frequently being *fucked* on screen looks like she is as young as Eris.

This is why discussing this topic is really not worth *anyones* time.

I can already tell that the only thing that is required to not view this as "pedophilia" for some people (you are obviously included here) is a line saying

"all these characters are fictional and at least 18 years old".

It's also really, really sad that "consequences" can't lead to something positve in your world and always have to end with revenge, jail, death, punishment.
Not with character development, a change of mind or something like that. Which is quite obviously the case with Rudeus, as was very well pointed out by the guy in the video too

And I have no idea why this topic comes up every single time, Rudeus is actually suffering due to his pedophilia or just usual perviness, not even once did he get anything good or a benefit out of it.
Everytime it came up - and his perversion in general, he got punished. So it's not like this show is glorifying it. Which seems to be something you believe it does?


He feels disgusted by Paul's behavior ... so what? He goes on to do more and worse.

In your head canon maybe.
In the anime itself, he hasn't done *anything* he sure did try or thought about it however. Even when he wanted to he didn't, or couldn't.
And that *one time* where he wanted to and did go with his perviness, but couldn't and got punished by the same girl he wanted to make his "victum", he regrets it immediatly and sincerely afterwards... and we know it has been sincerely because we actually get to read/listen to his thoughts.
We are talking about roughly *1* scene here where he actually went through with it btw.
So why the heck do you make it sound like he is constantly pushing it to the level of a crime and not to the level it actually is most of the time - gag-comedy.

People forget that this shit can be funny and doesn't always have to be taken seriously. I don't need people to white-knight this stuff, but it's also not necessary to make it worse than what it is.
If people can't laught about it, then tough luck, they are rightfully disliking that kind of humor, but that's just that.
But even these scenes are actually building up to a development in this show and that's exactly where the difference is between this and most (and by most I mean 99%+) other shows.

When Eris showed up in Rudeus room, it wasn't just Eris making that decision. It was also telling us alot about the world he lives in, the nobility and politics.
And do people even realise that Rudeus was indeed slightly drunk there? And I'm not mentioning that as an excuse. I'm mentioning it because they gave a freaking 10yo kid wine to drink and not just a sip, but multiple cups.
Do people actually realise these small things? No one's even mentioned it. The usual anime-cliche is that the young kid gets grape-juice, no matter at what timeline or in what fantasy realm the kid is currently at.
Eris' father tried to make Rudeus drunk! Fully knowing that Rudeus is about to meet Eris in his bedroom, obviously because he himself set it up that way.
And he didn't do this to just amuse himself. He made it so because he knows what kind of consequences this could have and to what kind of position this could lead to.
They hinted at it frequently, well, it wasn't only hinted at, but actually spoken out too.

[Ryllharu]

When Eris showed up in Rudeus room, it wasn't just Eris making that decision. It was also telling us alot about the world he lives in, the nobility.
And do people even realise that Rudeus was indeed slightly drunk there? And I'm not mentioning that as an excuse. I'm mentioning it because they gave a freaking 10yo kid wine to drink and not just a sip, but multiple cups.
Do people actually realise these small things? No one's even mentioned it. The usual anime-cliche is that the young kid gets grape-juice, no matter at what timeline or in what fantasy realm the kid is currently at.
Eris' father tried to make Rudeus drunk! Fully knowing that Rudeus is about to meet Eris in his bedroom, obviously because he himself set it up that way.
As pointed out in the video:
- Eris' father asks Rudy if he'd like to have Eris sent to his room on his 10th birthday (noting that both of Eris' parents like him at this point and wouldn't mind him marrying into their side of the family)
- Rudy refuses.
- Eris was sent there anyway, dressed and with the expectation that they would engage in something, maybe 2nd base at most in her head.
- She consents.
- Then takes it back.
- Rudy gets punished for ignoring her taking it back.
- He reflects on that, vows not to make that mistake again internally.
- Eris partially forgives him minutes later (does she like him, did she realize it was still expected in terms of 'family duty' and came back voluntarily, was she sent back? We do not know.)

[MFauli]

I already love how biased your opinion is when you say that Mushoku is featuring "lots" of pedophilia while simultaniously basically saying that Redo of Healer doesn't, even though not a single character in the main cast is actually an adult and one of the girls that is frequently being *fucked* on screen looks like she is as young as Eris.

This is why discussing this topic is really not worth *anyones* time.

No, me replying to the rest of your posting is not worth the time, because:

1.) None of the girls in Redo look as young as Eris. Check your eyes.
2.) Pedophilia isn't "sex with non-adults", it's "sex (or attempts of) with prepubescent children". The latter only happens in Mushoku, not in Redo.

[KrayZ33]

No, me replying to the rest of your posting is not worth the time, because:

1.) None of the girls in Redo look as young as Eris. Check your eyes.
2.) Pedophilia isn't "sex with non-adults", it's "sex (or attempts of) with prepubescent children". The latter only happens in Mushoku, not in Redo.


Okay buddy :rolleyes:
Maybe you should check your mental health instead.

Geez, why do I even bother.

[MFauli]

Okay buddy :rolleyes:
Maybe you should check your mental health instead.

Geez, why do I even bother.

"I have no argument, so I just fling an insult"

Ok, Wow.

[DarthEnderX]

And that *one time* where he wanted to and did go with his perviness, but couldn't and got punished by the same girl he wanted to make his "victum", he regrets it immediatly and sincerely afterwards... and we know it has been sincerely because we actually get to read/listen to his thoughts.
We are talking about roughly *1* scene here where he actually went through with it btw.Well, 2 scenes. The one we just had on his birthday, but I think you're forgetting the obvious one in the stables.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/024/732/a62.gif

Of course, the ass beating for that one was legendary. But he also wasn't as regretful that time.



I can already tell that the only thing that is required to not view this as "pedophilia" for some people (you are obviously included here) is a line saying

"all these characters are fictional and at least 18 years old".To be fair, while MFauli is supposedly anti-pedophilia, he's apparently A-OK with hebephilia and ephebophilia.

[KrayZ33]

"I have no argument, so I just fling an insult"

Ok, Wow.

How am I supposed to have an argument against your obviously wrong subjective opinion.
All I can say is:
Setsuna is portrayed as a child and looks even younger than Eris in most of these scenes, even her VA is made to sound especially childish and young.
I believe she is actually somewhere between 12-14 in the actual WN - like all the characters actually - not a single one is or was btw when that shit started to turn into rape/sex etc. yada yada. So Redo of Healer is factually a bunch of kids fucking each other day in and day out.

Eris is 12 too now.
I could post pictures but for what? For you? Nah, not worth!

"WoW" for not noticing.
I really don't want to bother with degenerate shit like you. No need to mince my words anymore.
Goodbye, thank you.

[Kraco]

Try to keep it civil, guys. You are talking about an anime, not the outcome of a sports match where cheating was suspected.

Personally I think it's quite interesting and funny that because Mushoku Tensei doesn't look cheap and crap with the kind of production values it has, and in some ways has above average character development, many people suddenly expect all kinds of things from it. Those expectations then make them outraged when failed. Redo Healer is like 1000% trashier than Mushoku, but since nobody sane expects anything from it, nobody bothers to seriously invest time in analysing it.

What comes to pedophilia and Mushoku, what exactly can you do about it? Everybody knows underage kids are interested in sex, but if you show that interest in any concrete way, the story is pedophilic because the audience includes adults? So, the only way to avoid that is to pretend teenagers have zero interest in sex or keep it all theoretical. The Japanese traditionally haven't tried to avoid the issue, however, which has brought us plenty of series with middle school kids being perverted and whatnot.

[MFauli]

How am I supposed to have an argument against your obviously wrong subjective opinion.
All I can say is:
Setsuna is portrayed as a child and looks even younger than Eris in most of these scenes, even her VA is made to sound especially childish and young.
I believe she is actually somewhere between 12-14 in the actual WN - like all the characters actually - not a single one is or was btw when that shit started to turn into rape/sex etc. yada yada. So Redo of Healer is factually a bunch of kids fucking each other day in and day out.

Eris is 12 too now.
I could post pictures but for what? For you? Nah, not worth!

"WoW" for not noticing.
I really don't want to bother with degenerate shit like you. No need to mince my words anymore.
Goodbye, thank you.

Dude, I watch both anime, too. Eris is almost flat, Setsuna has massive udders. Setsuna was a captured warrior who got bought from sex slave trader, Eris is a spoiled little girl.

When I see the sex scenes in Redo, it's fine hentai featuring busty girls, age doesn't matter even. When I see Eris, I see a little girl and that's all I see, because no sane person could look at her 12yo self and state "ah, yeah, she's hot".

You also entirely ignored my second point: Pedophilia relates to attraction towards prepubescent children, aka Eris and younger. Being attracted to hot teenage girl is perfectly normal and even legal in most countries in the world. Don't make me post the age of consent-chart that shows how in Europe it ranges all the way from 13 to 18 year olds. Personally, the issue comes not with age, but with appearance, and Eris LOOKS like a child, Setsuna doesn't.

[DarthEnderX]

Try to keep it civil, guys. You are talking about an anime, not the outcome of a sports match where cheating was suspected.I enjoy the implication where that's a situation where it's okay to not be civil. As if sports matter any more than anime. :p

[KrayZ33]

Dude, I watch both anime, too. Eris is almost flat, Setsuna has massive udders. Setsuna was a captured warrior who got bought from sex slave trader, Eris is a spoiled little girl.

You also entirely ignored my second point: Pedophilia relates to attraction towards prepubescent children, aka Eris and younger. Being attracted to hot teenage girl is perfectly normal and even legal in most countries in the world. Don't make me post the age of consent-chart that shows how in Europe it ranges all the way from 13 to 18 year olds. Personally, the issue comes not with age, but with appearance, and Eris LOOKS like a child, Setsuna doesn't.

Uhum, okay okay, cool story bro.
Do you always pick one stance and then just ignore everything that doesn't fit and act it's different or not there?

[MFauli]

Uhum, okay okay, cool story bro.
Do you always pick one stance and then just ignore everything that doesn't fit and act it's different or not there?

?

I don't understand why you bolded these two parts of my posting.

[Munsu]

Looks like the English LN publisher is re-releasing volume 1 and 2 (not sure if more later) in April and May after the discrepancies came to light with the anime.

[KrayZ33]

Looks like the English LN publisher is re-releasing volume 1 and 2 (not sure if more later) in April and May after the discrepancies came to light with the anime.

Weird, really? Why?
That makes no sense. Or do you mean that they re-release it with different wording to better reflect a scene and the characters in that scene.

[Ryllharu]

Because they did some creative "editing" (i.e. their translators censored it), and now with the anime out proving it, they got caught.

From what I've learned from scanlation-drama comments, translation is always subjective, to a degree. But there have been a lot of cases recently, completely changing the meaning of a phrase.

Changing a Japanese idiom to an American/Anglophone idiom is one thing, usually fine. Warping a sentence to include a pop culture reference instead is right on the line. Injecting a completely different sentiment to casually toss in some personal politics is over the line.

This was wholesale ejecting paragraphs removed under the guise of "improved sentence flow."

Classroom of the Elite was another one affected.

[MFauli]

Because they did some creative "editing" (i.e. their translators censored it), and now with the anime out proving it, they got caught.

From what I've learned from scanlation-drama comments, translation is always subjective, to a degree. But there have been a lot of cases recently, completely changing the meaning of a phrase.

Changing a Japanese idiom to an American/Anglophone idiom is one thing, usually fine. Warping a sentence to include a pop culture reference instead is right on the line. Injecting a completely different sentiment to casually toss in some personal politics is over the line.

This was wholesale ejecting paragraphs removed under the guise of "improved sentence flow."

Classroom of the Elite was another one affected.

Wow, this shit really is getting out of hand. And then you have woke people rationalize this shit by saying "well, it's being made appropriate for western audiences". Like western people cannot comprehend a morally questionable story. What especially upsets me is that shit like this never happens in books proper or movies. It's only anime and video games where western instances of companies think they must "protect" their audience. Which only reveals the still deep-rooted misbelief that games/anime are "for children", whereas Japan has fully accepted these as valid media entertainment for adults, too. The hypocrisy then is that nobody in the west cares when young children play Call of Duty or GTA5, both games with a mature-rating.

Sigh

I need to further up my Japanese learning speed so I can join translations. Ryll, since you're a Japanese expert, any advice for someone who's past the beginning stages of Japanese learning? While I knew a lot before, I'm currently in the middle of the Wanikani-app, level 23 now, but I feel I should do some actual text reading. Got any recommendations in terms of "easy enough" manga or light novels? Thx

[KrayZ33]

Will the re-released version be free for download for those that have it? That's a really shitty move if not.
I was thinking about buying the E-books on amazon before this.

[Ryllharu]

I need to further up my Japanese learning speed so I can join translations. Ryll, since you're a Japanese expert, any advice for someone who's past the beginning stages of Japanese learning? While I knew a lot before, I'm currently in the middle of the Wanikani-app, level 23 now, but I feel I should do some actual text reading. Got any recommendations in terms of "easy enough" manga or light novels? ThxI don't know Japanese at all, aside from absorption that lets me skim through reading subtitles much faster because I recognize pattern phrases. My Korean is about the same from watching a lot of movies and dramas: effectively useless. I don't know either of their written languages even on a basic level.

When I said "I've learned from scanlation-drama comments..." I mean the rants that the translators go on to prove they're correct when some asshole was bitching about the translations being "too literal" or "not literal enough" and they go into full details of their transcription processes.

[Munsu]

Will the re-released version be free for download for those that have it? That's a really shitty move if not.
I was thinking about buying the E-books on amazon before this.

From what I read it'll be free for ebooks (don't know the procedure), but I doubt it'll be the same for physical versions. If you haven't bought it and still want it, just wait for the new releases.


Please note: This book is being re-edited in March 2021. Here’s how to get the new edition, once it’s available:

EBOOK: In the near future, on all digital platforms, existing customers can download the new edition for free. (You may need to delete the old file from your device before downloading the new edition.) All new customers after that point will automatically get the new ebook edition.

PAPERBACK: The new edition of the paperback will be shipping from the printer in early May 2021 (available at retailers shortly after that), and will have “Revised Edition: March 2021” listed on the copyright page. If you purchased a copy from an earlier printing and want the new edition instead, please discuss a return or exchange with the retailer you purchased it from, as they will have access to the new edition reprint in May/June (approximately) and will have their own policies regarding returns.

https://sevenseasentertainment.com/books/mushoku-tensei-jobless-reincarnation-light-novel-vol-1/

[MFauli]

I don't know Japanese at all, aside from absorption that lets me skim through reading subtitles much faster because I recognize pattern phrases. My Korean is about the same from watching a lot of movies and dramas: effectively useless. I don't know either of their written languages even on a basic level.

When I said "I've learned from scanlation-drama comments..." I mean the rants that the translators go on to prove they're correct when some asshole was bitching about the translations being "too literal" or "not literal enough" and they go into full details of their transcription processes.

Hm, am I mixing you up with Shinta then? Someone here was a Japanese-expert. :>

[DarthEnderX]

Wow, this shit really is getting out of hand. And then you have woke people rationalize this shit by saying "well, it's being made appropriate for western audiences"."getting" out of hand? Companies have literally never NOT done this.

Like, have you people never SEEN the 4Kids One Piece dub?


The hypocrisy then is that nobody in the west cares when young children play Call of Duty or GTA5, both games with a mature-rating.Are you fucking stupid? We had huge controversies over here for years about GTA.

You seem determined to convince yourself that we're on some kind of slippery slope. But we've been at the bottom of that slope for ages now. If anything, we've been climbing our way back UP that slope, because shit's less censored now than it's ever been.

[MFauli]

"getting" out of hand? Companies have literally never NOT done this.

Like, have you people never SEEN the 4Kids One Piece dub?

No, because I'm from Germany.


Are you fucking stupid? We had huge controversies over here for years about GTA.

You seem determined to convince yourself that we're on some kind of slippery slope. But we've been at the bottom of that slope for ages now. If anything, we've been climbing our way back UP that slope, because shit's less censored now than it's ever been.

What huge controversies have there been in the past 10 years regarding violent games? The last time I saw debate about "killer games" took place 20+ years ago. And did GTA ever get banned? Not in Germany at least. Meanwhile games and anime with sexual content actuall do get banned.

[Ryllharu]

Yes, in a more polite manner, the anime/manga situation has IMPROVED recently, while the Japanese game localizations have worsened.

SevenSeas, formally known as one of the "good ones," (in comparison to VIZ, ADV, Dark Horse, and Del Rey for decades), getting caught and owning up to it is also an improvement. They're fixing it. That's progress. My understanding is France actually has one of the more accurate translations of manga, which is huge over there compared to here.

Kodansha and Shueisha now directly publish manga here or online, simultaneously, and people compare them in their officially comments sections from time to time, and they improve them as they go.

I'm not going to go off-topic on violent video games, take that shit elsewhere.

edit: I forgot Tokyopop, they were notably...flexible in their translations.

[MFauli]

Yes, in a more polite manner, the anime/manga situation has IMPROVED recently, while the Japanese game localizations have worsened.

SevenSeas, formally known as one of the "good ones," (in comparison to VIZ, ADV, Dark Horse, and Del Rey for decades), getting caught and owning up to it is also an improvement. They're fixing it. That's progress. My understanding is France actually has one of the more accurate translations of manga, which is huge over there compared to here.

Kodansha and Shueisha now directly publish manga here or online, simultaneously, and people compare them in their officially comments sections from time to time, and they improve them as they go.

I'm not going to go off-topic on violent video games, take that shit elsewhere.

edit: I forgot Tokyopop, they were notably...flexible in their translations.

Do you have a link to the story about SevenSeas getting caught? Sounds interesting.

[Munsu]

Do you have a link to the story about SevenSeas getting caught? Sounds interesting.

Contains links to spoilers, so careful:

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-02-17/seven-seas-addresses-mushoku-tensei-classroom-of-the-elite-light-novel-localization-changes/.169582

[Ryllharu]

It's interesting that the two translators responded that way, because that's how the good scanlator groups work. Translator, editor, and typesetter go back and forth repeatedly.

Kinda strange that the LN editors and typesetters just ignore the translator after they do their work, as freelancers no less.

[MFauli]

What I found interesting, too, is that wrong translation of the LN is closer to the correct anime translation. We talked about exactly that part. In the anime, it never uses the word for "forced", yet as we found in the LN, it uses that word. Now the official English translation of the LN ignored the "forced", which was wrong, thus coincidentially (?) being similar to the anime.

Makes me wonder if the translator responsible for the LN worked together with the anime.

[Munsu]

What I found interesting, too, is that wrong translation of the LN is closer to the correct anime translation. We talked about exactly that part. In the anime, it never uses the word for "forced", yet as we found in the LN, it uses that word. Now the official English translation of the LN ignored the "forced", which was wrong, thus coincidentially (?) being similar to the anime.

Makes me wonder if the translator responsible for the LN worked together with the anime.

The anime said he "assaulted" her, not sure what else you want from them...

You heard what they said in Japanese, and agreed that it could have multiple meanings regardless, not sure what your point with this is.

One thing is complete censorship, another is deciding how to translate something that can have multiple meanings.

I think you're not recalling the anime scene correctly.

Also, we didn't get Lilia's POV in the anime, only Rudeus'.

[MFauli]

The anime said he "assaulted" her, not sure what else you want from them...

You heard what they said in Japanese, and agreed that it could have multiple meanings regardless, not sure what your point with this is.

One thing is complete censorship, another is deciding how to translate something that can have multiple meanings.

I think you're not recalling the anime scene correctly.

Also, we didn't get Lilia's POV in the anime, only Rudeus'.


wtf Munsu :/

We went though all of this at length. As I said: The anime doesnt use the term "forced". What it uses it somewhat ambiguous. The LN, as we know, uses explicitely "forced" to describe what happens. And now we found out the English translation of the LN ignored that and is, instead, like the anime, downplaying what happened. This, as I said, raises the question if the different anime script might be connected to the false translation of the LN.

Ofc, changes are often made in anime adaptations without it being wrong, see Shield Hero. But it is a curious coincicdence at least.

[Munsu]

wtf Munsu :/

We went though all of this at length. As I said: The anime doesnt use the term "forced". What it uses it somewhat ambiguous. The LN, as we know, uses explicitely "forced" to describe what happens. And now we found out the English translation of the LN ignored that and is, instead, like the anime, downplaying what happened. This, as I said, raises the question if the different anime script might be connected to the false translation of the LN.

Ofc, changes are often made in anime adaptations without it being wrong, see Shield Hero. But it is a curious coincicdence at least.

Again, when the article mentions "forced" it's in a POV that wasn't featured in the anime. You can't do a 1 to 1 comparison.

The portion that appears in the anime in Rudeus' POV "nekomi wo osou" is the same as it appears in the WN.

[MFauli]

Again, when the article mentions "forced" it's in a POV that wasn't featured in the anime. You can't do a 1 to 1 comparison.

The portion that appears in the anime in Rudeus' POV "nekomi wo osou" is the same as it appears in the WN.

That's not the phrase that I'm talking about when I say "forced", though. But I'm too lazy to look for it, it's somewhere in a posting of mine here. "Nekomi o osou" is ambiguous. "Forced" is not. And now that situation. Pls, I don't want to repeat the whole debate in this thread, let's just wait what happens :>

[Munsu]

That's not the phrase that I'm talking about when I say "forced", though. But I'm too lazy to look for it, it's somewhere in a posting of mine here. "Nekomi o osou" is ambiguous. "Forced" is not. And now that situation. Pls, I don't want to repeat the whole debate in this thread, let's just wait what happens :>

That's a cop-out. In the article when "forced" is mentioned it's in a scene that doesn't appear the anime PERIOD. In this thread, the only time when "forced" was mentioned was when "Nekomi o osou" was discussed. The very least you could do is tell us what anime scene you're specifically talking about.

[DarthEnderX]

We went though all of this at length.We did, and it was determined "scattering virtue" was an idiom to imply force, but you refused to accept that because it didn't literally say "forced".

And now you're arguing again because you're hoping the translation error means you weren't wrong, even though we weren't using that translation.

[Buffalobiian]

I won't butt in this whole debate, but I would like to clarify that the phrase "nekomi wo osou" fits the definition of rape in western societies. The literal meaning is to attack someone while they are asleep, but the whole Japanese phrase is generally understood as sexually assaulting a sleeping person.

To be fair, that exact phrase is sometimes used for comedic effect in a lot of ecchi anime, but the whole paragraph in this episode clearly does not imply that. Right after that phrase, "純潔を散らし" (junketsu wo chirashi) was used, which roughly means taking someone's virginity in a forceful/dishonorable way. The phrase literally translates to "scattering purity", so it does not imply a calm nor romantic encounter. But most of all, it definitely wasn't socially acceptable in their world because the statement after that said Paul fled his dojo due to what he did. The structure of the paragraph very clearly indicates that his actions forced him to escape.

Shinta's already said everything here. It's post #141 if you care to revisit.

MFauli disagrees with 襲う to refer to sexual assault. It means surprise attack. If you surprise attack someone in their sleep and scatter their virginity, that's sexual assault - even if the anime didn't use the specific phrase 無理矢理.

[Munsu]

Shinta's already said everything here. It's post #141 if you care to revisit.

MFauli disagrees with 襲う to refer to sexual assault. It means surprise attack. If you surprise attack someone in their sleep and scatter their virginity, that's sexual assault - even if the anime didn't use the specific phrase 無理矢理.

From what I can tell, since he doesn't want to tell us what scene he's talking about, is that MFauli is under the misconception that the anime itself censored the content when that scene is pretty much (in Japanese) word for word what's found in the WN, yet for some strange reason he thinks the (edited English LN version) is closer to the "true" version. The problem is that the true version (Japanese WN/LN) IS in the anime. That the anime uses "assault" to describe the scene, plus the evidence of the LN admitting they did a mistake on how they translated that portion, already disproves MFauli's current stance that the anime is more closely resembling the censored LN (at least in this case), which couldn't be further from the truth.

He keeps referencing the "forced" word, which is mentioned in the article, but that translation is specific to another scene that wasn't animated, but other than confirming what we already know, it doesn't bring nothing new... I think this is the crux of his confusion. The article is describing different scenes from the ones discussed in this thread.

I have no problem with MFauli considering the possibility that the Japanese phrases had multiple possibilities, heck I thought the same, particularly since I saw different takes in the English LN (which were supported by multiple scenes). But now we know we were fooled, and I think by now it's quite clear what is meant by those phrases even if we were open to the idea of mistranslation back then in the anime.

[MFauli]

But now we know we were fooled, and I think by now it's quite clear what is meant by those phrases even if we were open to the idea of mistranslation back then in the anime.

... that's what I was saying :/
Munsu, I'm not saying Paul didn't rape Lilia at this point.

[Kraco]

Lilia must be one of the weirdest characters in the story. She didn't initially like Rudeus because she viewed him as creepy, being kind of sexually inclined from the birth, yet Lilia herself is a person who got raped, then followed the rapist, later to become the rapist and his wife's maid, fully on purpose, and finally seduced him to give birth to his child. But I guess it's like they say: It takes a weirdo to recognise a weirdo.

[Ryllharu]

Lilia must be one of the weirdest characters in the story. She didn't initially like Rudeus because she viewed him as creepy, being kind of sexually inclined from the birth, yet Lilia herself is a person who got raped, then followed the rapist, later to become the rapist and his wife's maid, fully on purpose, and finally seduced him to give birth to his child. But I guess it's like they say: It takes a weirdo to recognise a weirdo.
Sad as it is, that's actually a fairly accurate representation of what happens to a lot of sexually abused women. They go back.

Not knowing her family situation, but knowing the generalized fantasy medieval era, I think we can probably assume Lilia didn't have a lot of options, and tagging along with Paul and Zenith after they retired as their servant was one of the better ones.

[Kraco]

Sad as it is, that's actually a fairly accurate representation of what happens to a lot of sexually abused women. They go back.

Not knowing her family situation, but knowing the generalized fantasy medieval era, I think we can probably assume Lilia didn't have a lot of options, and tagging along with Paul and Zenith after they retired as their servant was one of the better ones.

She wasn't with a child, is healthy and quite good looking, and a hard worker, so it shouldn't have been a problem for her to find a husband. Certainly not a nobleman or anything, but an ordinary, decent man of some profession. Now, however, she ended up as a single mother with a child. She knows the father and the father has recognised the child, so it's not a total disaster, but it's still a child out of wedlock. But then again, it's a fantasy world, not our world.

[Buffalobiian]

Looking forward, things are actually even more weird for her.

She can't exactly go around fucking Paul every day, but she's got a kid and that would raise questions for any new partners.

I don't know how "She's mine from a previous one-night-stand" would fly in medieval times.. and also ties in whether or not her kid knows Paul is her dad. This is getting messy but we will probably never have to go down this hole.

[Munsu]

... that's what I was saying :/
Munsu, I'm not saying Paul didn't rape Lilia at this point.

What I'm saying is not what you think Paul did or not. What I'm clarifying is that the anime is not censoring content. What is mentioned in the article is not the same scene we discussed here, so you can't draw comparisons on how the translations were handled based on that. That's the gist of what I wanted to get across, not go on another round on how to interpret what was said.


Lilia must be one of the weirdest characters in the story. She didn't initially like Rudeus because she viewed him as creepy, being kind of sexually inclined from the birth, yet Lilia herself is a person who got raped, then followed the rapist, later to become the rapist and his wife's maid, fully on purpose, and finally seduced him to give birth to his child. But I guess it's like they say: It takes a weirdo to recognise a weirdo.

She is indeed, but maybe not necessarily out of character for that type of "era"? Like, what if she liked Paul all along, what if she doesn't feel she was raped and the appreciation that she was raped comes from a modern look at what happened and not from the victim?

Anime aside on how things will develop in the future, I'm curious on how the LN will now translate some portions of the story. Can't wait for the new versions to come out for the LN.

[Ryllharu]

Mushoku Tensei - 10



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Pros: Eris having the time of her life, while also being wistful and showing that she does care about her grandfather and Ghislaine (who she is especially worried about). The new demon lands city is beautiful, vibrant, and they're really showing us the diversity and promise in the world building.

Cons: The Ruijerd storyline. Zzzzzzzz.

Bad stuff first then. The Ruijerd storyline is suddenly and abruptly completely boring as shit. I don't care how you want to count Mushoku Tensei as the "godfather of isekai" the whole, 'You mustn't kill! Even the bad guys!?' plot thread is so old and trite at this point it's not even interesting.

Mushoku Tensei started in 2012/2014, and this trope was old in anime THEN. It was old in 1992 for Terminator 2. It was old in Dragon Ball. I'm honestly not even interested in seeing what (if anything), the series will attempt to do as a different spin. I feel like I've seen every possible iteration of the trope already, and it isn't even an interesting or compelling one to begin with.

Onto the good stuff. The backrounds are gorgeous. Eris doing a death dance fight, and so causally confident in her abilities that she doesn't even pay attention to the others is fascinating. Sounds like we're first-hand witnesses to the next great Sword King. There's an effortlessness in her swordplay, like she's not holding back against Rudeus in practice, or if she idly worries about hurting Ghislaine. Not that she probably could. But her abilities seem to have directly ramped up

Her confidence is contrasted nicely with her continued fury, frustration, and that little hint of homesickness. She's loving every minute of this adventure, except at nights. Her loose cannon behavior because she's can't understand the language might drive her to study from Rudy even more, which could be good.

Eris facing down the furious Ruijerd was the sole interesting spot in his boring-ass half of the episode. She's not afraid of anything, but she does learn. Beating up the other adventuring party in the inn lobby was something she took to heart. Her temper is hiding her mild homesickness, and she used a lot of what Rudeus has been poking at her over the years back on Ruijerd.

The city is also beautiful. I love the wall designs, the weird castle in the center, the building stacked up in every corner out of the weird bowl the city is in (very much like Deca-dense's was or something out of a Ghibli film). There's a depth and variety of the demon-folk too. From the asshole Bojack guy, the ultra chill innkeeper, the timid lizard and bug lady, and the dorky other adventurer party.

[KrayZ33]

Great ep.

I for one like the Ruijerd storyline and how they try to increase his reputation.
Not sure what the deal about it is. He was clearly in the wrong killing that guy and his reasoning is flawed. I think it gave us great insight on why he is called dead's end, his moral compass is way too black and white and this, overall, is probably more for Rudeus own mental health than anything else.
It's almost as if he sees children as innocent beings and the rest is always up for judgement.
I could totally imagine Rudeus fearing what will happen to him if Ruijerd starts to believe Rudeus did something evil (which is basically what he said through the flower anyway).

Eris really begins to truely shine and bloom during adventures. That's totally her thing and quite obvious her childhood dream. She even has the power to back it up. That's some superhuman strength right there.
Almost annoyingly so, she can't be held in check, but that kinda fits her character and her age and upbringing.
I also loved how Eris tried to stop Ruijerd, yet it kinda didn't affect her as much.
I wonder if she actually sees these people as people or just random creatures.


I really enjoyed this episode.

[Ryllharu]

I wonder if she actually sees these people as people or just random creatures.

The city gate kind of proved her demeanor towards them. She loves it. Ghislaine is her favorite person aside from her grandfather, and she seems to like all shades of beast people, just like her father and grandfather, though not in that way.

She called them weird, in an excited way. The ones she attacked, she couldn't understand, and they touched her, resulting in her cloak button snapping, which set her off. She's beat up Rudy in the past for less.

[MFauli]

Bad stuff first then. The Ruijerd storyline is suddenly and abruptly completely boring as shit. I don't care how you want to count Mushoku Tensei as the "godfather of isekai" the whole, 'You mustn't kill! Even the bad guys!?' plot thread is so old and trite at this point it's not even interesting.

LOL, I had the exact opposite reaction: WHY won't neither Rudy nor Eris tell the guy that there are different levels of crimes/evil?! I mean, maybe he'd ignore that, but at least TRY and tell him that. Someone slaps a child? Shove him away and shout at him. Stealing a pet? Get him to the local enforcement or make some deal. Committing murder? Depening on circumstances, now you can think about killing the perpetrator. Easy peasy.

This is now such forced drama. "I MUST KILL ALL EVIL! ONLY BLACK AND WHITE!" and Rudy just takes it without trying the above. Ugh.

Hope that Sperd-arc is not too long. Although we're at the final episode anyway.#

Edit: Also, I had hoped that the kick Rudy received actually damaged him more severely and he'd only survive thanks to quickly healing himself. That could have been some nice reality check that this isn't a game, but a real world.

[Ryllharu]

Do you even read other people's comments before quoting them?

[Kraco]

Although I also believe Rudeus's real motives were elsewhere, but he's essentially correct about Ruijerd needing to avoid killing people, that is, if he really wants to lower the infamy of his people. Avoid killing is different from never kill, but it does indicate killing is the last resort. Otherwise nothing will ever change. That being said, Rudeus as well needs to accept it's a new world and new rules. He's the one who wants a new beginning, so he has to let go of his old values and live up to the new ones. It's pretty interesting he has no problems with the idea of working with villains, though, it's just killing the opponent he can't accept. Kind of ambiguous moral standards, unless it's something else that's holding him back.

Nokopara makes me think of Words Worth's Stallion. I guess every horse-headed man will, forever.

[Munsu]

Although I also believe Rudeus's real motives were elsewhere, but he's essentially correct about Ruijerd needing to avoid killing people, that is, if he really wants to lower the infamy of his people. Avoid killing is different from never kill, but it does indicate killing is the last resort. Otherwise nothing will ever change. That being said, Rudeus as well needs to accept it's a new world and new rules. He's the one who wants a new beginning, so he has to let go of his old values and live up to the new ones. It's pretty interesting he has no problems with the idea of working with villains, though, it's just killing the opponent he can't accept. Kind of ambiguous moral standards, unless it's something else that's holding him back.

Nokopara makes me think of Words Worth's Stallion. I guess every horse-headed man will, forever.

I don't think he's particularly against killing as an absolute, I think he's more shocked than anything... like when he was when Ghislaine saved him.

Ruijerd did kill someone defenseless though. It wasn't about different level of crimes and what not, Ruijerd killed someone with no hesitation when there was absolutely no need. Even though strangely we don't get any of Rudeus' inner thoughts during this portion, he does give us a hint, despite appearances, he's still somewhat scared of Ruijerd, particularly if he's someone who lacks control. It's also the first time he see Ruijerd kill anyone (monsters aside).

That aside, it's probably because Ruijerd was so ready to kill that there's a legit threat to the other party to make Rudeus' plan work. It might have not been possible otherwise.

[Kraco]

Ruijerd did kill someone defenseless though.

He did send Rudeus flying across the room pretty well for someone defenseless...

[Munsu]

He did send Rudeus flying across the room pretty well for someone defenseless...

He did kick a 10yo kid, indeed...

[MFauli]

He did send Rudeus flying across the room pretty well for someone defenseless...

come on ....

[Buffalobiian]

https://i.imgur.com/GoRbcRM.jpg

Took a few takes to work out what was weird about this picture but finally got it.

I wonder what sort or law and order there is in a demon city. Is there a penalty for stealing pets then reclaiming them? What about killing other adventurers? If Red Lizard had family then that'd get hairy, but looks like Horse fellow is playing the suspicious "bad" guy for now.

Eris was fun to watch. It was particularly pleasing that her getting angry at her cloak breaking was that it was Rudy's first purchase for her (aside from her wand). That said...

"He kicked a child.."
"I kick people too! /kick"

Yeah... I get your point, but that's not a good look Eris.

[Munsu]

https://i.imgur.com/GoRbcRM.jpg

Took a few takes to work out what was weird about this picture but finally got it.

I wonder what sort or law and order there is in a demon city. Is there a penalty for stealing pets then reclaiming them? What about killing other adventurers? If Red Lizard had family then that'd get hairy, but looks like Horse fellow is playing the suspicious "bad" guy for now.

Eris was fun to watch. It was particularly pleasing that her getting angry at her cloak breaking was that it was Rudy's first purchase for her (aside from her wand). That said...

"He kicked a child.."
"I kick people too! /kick"

Yeah... I get your point, but that's not a good look Eris.

https://i.imgur.com/IPd5sC3.jpg

[DarthEnderX]

LOL, I had the exact opposite reaction: WHY won't neither Rudy nor Eris tell the guy that there are different levels of crimes/evil?! I mean, maybe he'd ignore that, but at least TRY and tell him that. Someone slaps a child? Shove him away and shout at him. Stealing a pet? Get him to the local enforcement or make some deal. Committing murder? Depening on circumstances, now you can think about killing the perpetrator. Easy peasy.

This is now such forced drama. "I MUST KILL ALL EVIL! ONLY BLACK AND WHITE!" and Rudy just takes it without trying the above. Ugh.
Agreed.


Edit: Also, I had hoped that the kick Rudy received actually damaged him more severely and he'd only survive thanks to quickly healing himself. That could have been some nice reality check that this isn't a game, but a real world.Yeah but then Ruijerd WOULD have been justified in killing the guy.

Guy steals pets, not kills kids.


That being said, Rudeus as well needs to accept it's a new world and new rules.Jesus Christ, what is with this "nobody should try and be better than the standard of behavior of where they are?" shit.

I swear, if it were up to you we'd all still be cavemen...

[Kraco]

Jesus Christ, what is with this "nobody should try and be better than the standard of behavior of where they are?" shit.

I swear, if it were up to you we'd all still be cavemen...

High morals won't do you much good if you are lying dead in a ditch. If your encounters have no qualms about killing you, what choice do you have but act in a similar way in a critical situation? The only other choice is to die. Maybe much, much later when Rudeus is an OP character, should he ever be, he can afford to ignore lowlifes trying to kill him or those in his company. But that day is still far off.

[DarthEnderX]

High morals won't do you much good if you are lying dead in a ditch.Then how did high morals ever come into existence in the first place if trying to act better always meant death?


If your encounters have no qualms about killing you, what choice do you have but act in a similar way in a critical situation? The only other choice is to die.No, there's actually a LOT of other choices. Like subduing people, or running away, or bargaining.

They might not all work, but to assume everything is kill or be killed is a false dichotomy.

[MFauli]

High morals won't do you much good if you are lying dead in a ditch. If your encounters have no qualms about killing you, what choice do you have but act in a similar way in a critical situation? The only other choice is to die. Maybe much, much later when Rudeus is an OP character, should he ever be, he can afford to ignore lowlifes trying to kill him or those in his company. But that day is still far off.

What?!

No, we do not follow 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth'-law. Bad people are bad because they do bad things, good people are good because they do good things. Easiest example: Superman and Batman. According to you, Superman would fly around and just murder all criminals.

And just for the record: these 'lowlives' never tried to kill them. *They* sneak-attacked them. Considering how shocked they reacted when their leader was killed, I doubt that they're murderer.

[Kraco]

Then how did high morals ever come into existence in the first place if trying to act better always meant death?

When a society develops and gets stable enough, when there are enough officials and the order of law is strictly enforced. Revenge is institutionalised, which means courts of law are dealing out punishments to criminals, not those who were wronged personally. We can't have modern, productive societies if every single person needed to keep themselves trained and equipped to fight for their lives every single day. So, we have the police forces do it instead, while the majority of the population can study and do other work and business. It requires the vast majority of the population subscribes to this order that people can stick to high morals and consider ethics to function in everyday lives.

When the order is removed, like when a neighbouring country attacks, people have no choice but to kill before they are killed.

Btw, I already said it, but I'm not trying to sat Rudeus should become ruthless and kill every wrongdoer. I'm merely saying he needs to be ready to take a life, when there's no other realistic choice. Unfortunately the situations are usually such that you don't have more than a fraction of a second to make the decision. Similarly, he can't become shocked stiff when he sees people lose their lives. Because he's going to keep seeing it, no doubt.

[KrayZ33]

High morals won't do you much good if you are lying dead in a ditch. If your encounters have no qualms about killing you, what choice do you have but act in a similar way in a critical situation? The only other choice is to die. Maybe much, much later when Rudeus is an OP character, should he ever be, he can afford to ignore lowlifes trying to kill him or those in his company. But that day is still far off.

The thing is, this wasn't a critical situation at all.
Even Rudeus was super calm after he got kicked, because he knew there would be no follow up and him getting hit was him being careless.
The situation escalated with them killing their leader.


What?!


And just for the record: these 'lowlives' never tried to kill them. *They* sneak-attacked them. Considering how shocked they reacted when their leader was killed, I doubt that they're murderer.

No need to make it sound like they stabbed them in the back either, lol.

They apprehended them, that's all.

[Kraco]

The thing is, this wasn't a critical situation at all.


I'm talking about the bigger picture. Rudeus hasn't accepted, at all, that he might need to kill people in self-defence and that people might die as a consequence of his actions. Just compare Eris and Rudeus's reaction to the dude dying in this episode: Eris knows it's a rough world and people die, Rudeus believes he can retain the part of being a perfectly peaceful Japanese, even in the new world with considerably less order and civilization. I'm not blaming him for finding it difficult, but it's something he needs to come to terms with.

It's obvious there was no need to kill the guy in this case. I've said it already earlier.

[Buffalobiian]

Rudy was okay with Eris's kidnappers dying by Ghislaine. He still gets shocked when blood pisses everywhere, but doesn't exactly argue about the necessity of dicing them up in that instance.

I think Rudy's mindset is fairly calibrated right now.

Eris's initial reaction today was more "Beheading is a bit much, but whatever". She only really started caring about the whole thing when Ruijerd was causing trouble for Rudy. Then she pointed out that kicking kids is not terrible.

[neflight86]

Seeing as the superd is a no-nonsense kind of guy that doesn't seem to take sarcasm or jokes beyond face value (at least, that's how I view him after staring down the frog-man), bug-guy saying "I'll kill you!" before kicking Rudeus may have well triggered something akin to the fight or flight response, as he may have believed that person/creature would now 'mark' and stalk-to-kill his child-charge going forward- hence he needed to be put down. Does it make full rational sense? No. Is the superd guy playing with a full deck of cards? Also, no. His zeal towards his goals and inflexibility in his thinking is going to cause problems for their group, and Rudeus now understands that. That is what I think Rudy realized and caused some change in his attitude, as he has also stubbornly decided to help him with his people's PR and will not back out due to his own pride, or perhaps kindred suffering of being an outcast for so long.

Rudeus isn't trying to be above or below local morality- he's trying to get Eris home safely. Since the beginning, he has been a goal-oriented person, and his hand-to-mouth mindset (like earning money) is all in service of returning home.

Stealing and 'rescuing' pets is a pretty good and low risk racket, truth be told. Interesting that once you get too high in ranking, you apparently can no longer take lower rank quests?

Flamboyant god gets no love from chunky man Rudeus, but still gives out the goods. A true Chad.

[KrayZ33]

Flamboyant god gets no love from chunky man Rudeus, but still gives out the goods. A true Chad.

I'm sitting here, expecting this to change everytime he opens his mouth. I simply can't see him as "a good guy" and I wonder if he will somehow gain something from all this.
He is the "god of man", that kinda implied that there is a god for every race... and I'm starting to get "Divinity Original Sin 2"-vibes

[Kraco]

Rudeus isn't trying to be above or below local morality- he's trying to get Eris home safely. Since the beginning, he has been a goal-oriented person, and his hand-to-mouth mindset (like earning money) is all in service of returning home.


That's true. I shouldn't have talked about high morals. He's merely uncomfortable with death due to his background. However, he's pretty sleazy otherwise, as we have seen a number of times. He's definitely not trying to be any pinnacle of morals.

[MFauli]

I'm sitting here, expecting this to change everytime he opens his mouth. I simply can't see him as "a good guy" and I wonder if he will somehow gain something from all this.
He is the "god of man", that kinda implied that there is a god for every race... and I'm starting to get "Divinity Original Sin 2"-vibes

Dont know that game, but yeah, that god doesnt come across as trustworthy at all. I always keep thinking "this time Rudy is fucked". Especially because he acts so rude. Then again, acting rude or not is meaningless in the face of an almighty, all-knowing god.

[neflight86]

That's true. I shouldn't have talked about high morals. He's merely uncomfortable with death due to his background. However, he's pretty sleazy otherwise, as we have seen a number of times. He's definitely not trying to be any pinnacle of morals.

At least the world building and characters are fleshed out enough to support meaningful discussion of these topics, though as Ryll pointed out, the premise "other world morals" dichotomy itself is a bit old hat by now for seasoned consumers of media like ourselves. Now that were getting more regular depictions of normalized slavery, adultery/polyamory, rape, and other taboo societal counter culture (also known as 'edgy') isekai since Goblin Slayer and Shield Hero, there is certainly more meat on that bone when it comes to discussion in our humble little corner of the internet.

[KrayZ33]

Dont know that game, but yeah, that god doesnt come across as trustworthy at all. I always keep thinking "this time Rudy is fucked". Especially because he acts so rude. Then again, acting rude or not is meaningless in the face of an almighty, all-knowing god.

Ah... well, basically, without spoiling too much, when you play that game, there is a god-like being that seems to be helping you and makes you his "chosen one", but you really feel like he is doing something to help himself everytime he shows up. I'm not going to say if he's actually genuine or not, but they have written that character in a way that makes you feel very uneasy and you always ask yourself... "Should I actually do that? Should I not? Why does he tell me this?" because in that game, you can actually choose to not do things or to betray people and stuff like that, so interactions with characters have meaning and can lead to completely different sub-plots.

It's the same with this guy. As a god, there is always a reason as to why he/she/it is considered a god. Power, the goodness of his heart, or even the opposite. There are good and bad gods. Sometimes, they aren't even "truely" gods but were actually once mortal themselves that aquired demi-god/godlike status through other means.
As the god of man, he already limits himself to a specific range of power. He is not omnipotent like the christian god for example.
That could already mean that he has his own agenda, he even tells us that he has no direct power over a certain area. Saying that the "wicked dragon god" is way better at reincarnation stuff than him.
But his "odd" behaviour and way of talk could all be a red hering too. Maybe he is just quirky and actually benevolent.

At the same time however, corrupting and manipulating starts with gaining trust, and the line "you took my advice and it got you XXX" or "it helped you out, didn't it?" which is what he said is absolutely going into that direction.

His scenes are quite interesting overall, it was the first time I heard, or at least realized that someone said it, that he is in a "six-sided world" (6 sides similar to a dice?) And with that I'm already thinking about "gods" playing with that dice. Maybe every god has his own token. Maybe the Dragon God made that absurd guy who faced a dragon on his own, his. Maybe there are 4 others, we already saw the self proclaimed "Demon Princess" (or was it Queen?) - maybe that's another token etc. etc.
It's fishy that it all started after the calamity, not before, either.
What was that calamity anyway - and that thing in the sky? It summoned something - according to that "angel" race in the sky fortress?

edit: jesus christ, now that I think about it, that is all so cool.
All these unknown players still to discover. We aren't even remotely at the top of the chain yet.
Lord Perugius watching over Laplace, two historic characters in that world, still alive. Laplace obviouly not out of the game yet either and only sealed away.
And that masked minion of Lord Perugius who fought Ghislaine with ease, with his own kind of "magic" that bolted away in a flash of (holy?) light when the calamity was about to start etc.

[Munsu]

I'm sad that it seems like we won't be getting the OP song again by the looks of it. The one we got this time around was quite nice, still miss the original one.

[DarthEnderX]

When a society develops and gets stable enough, when there are enough officials and the order of law is strictly enforced.Except...those things are the RESULT of attempting to live with higher morals. Not the cause.

People don't just spontaneously develop laws in a kill-or-be-killed civilization. Someone has to actually look around and decide "You know, maybe we can do better than this kill-or-be-killed" thing. It happens when people strive to be BETTER than their current situation should allow.



He is the "god of man", that kinda implied that there is a god for every race... and I'm starting to get "Divinity Original Sin 2"-vibesI was about to be like "They JUST told us there's one god for Men, one for Demons and one for Dragons." But that was Dragon Quest this week. :p

[Kraco]

Except...those things are the RESULT of attempting to live with higher morals. Not the cause.

People don't just spontaneously develop laws in a kill-or-be-killed civilization. Someone has to actually look around and decide "You know, maybe we can do better than this kill-or-be-killed" thing. It happens when people strive to be BETTER than their current situation should allow.

I have the opposite opinion. People can afford to have high morals when they are safe and among their own kind. Society is necessary for achieving things greater than individuals alone can create. Of course rulers as well don't want their subjects to slaughter each other, thus reducing tax income and manpower available. The early civilizations already had the basic laws to make sure a society can be productive and capable of warfare. However, until the very recent centuries, people remained savage. Public shaming and executions were popular spectacles. Torture was commonplace. Foreigners from far away were all considered savages, not necessarily even humans. And so forth.

[DarthEnderX]

I have the opposite opinion. People can afford to have high morals when they are safe and among their own kind.How could you EVER be safe if you live in a kill-or-be-killed world and NOBODY tries to rise above it?

You can't have society until someone decided NOT to kill every potential threat or competition for resources, because everyone around you is always those thing.

[Kraco]

How could you EVER be safe if you live in a kill-or-be-killed world and NOBODY tries to rise above it?

You can't have society until someone decided NOT to kill every potential threat or competition for resources, because everyone around you is always those thing.

Uh... I just explained it in the post. It's not a kill or be killed world if laws forbid random killings and the culprits, if caught, are heavily punished. You don't need jolly morals for that part. It's the primary necessity for humans to live in a functional group. It's pure practicality.

[DarthEnderX]

Uh... I just explained it in the post. It's not a kill or be killed world if laws forbid random killings and the culprits, if caught, are heavily punished. You don't need jolly morals for that part. It's the primary necessity for humans to live in a functional group. It's pure practicality.I'm getting confused cause you're making the same "protag needs to act like their old morality doesn't matter anymore" arguments in this thread, the spider thread and the slime thread at the same time...

[Kraco]

I'm getting confused cause you're making the same "protag needs to act like their old morality doesn't matter anymore" arguments in this thread, the spider thread and the slime thread at the same time...

I assure you, I'm twice as confused as you are!

Actually, I wouldn't go that far. None of the main characters would live happily if they entirely let go of their old morals, but if sticking to them too religiously results in their own death or deaths of those important to them, then it's obviously no good.

In a more peaceful manner, this is a problem in international trade in RL. In many countries corruption is a stable part of life and economy. In others, it's a severe crime and regularly being inspected if suspected. So when Company A from a less corrupt country tries to land a deal in a corrupt nation, are they supposed to use bribes or not? If they don't and Competitors B, C, and D do, Company A is automatically out before the negotiations even started. The competitors grow stronger and ultimately might push Company A into a bankruptcy. However, if Company A does use bribes, they stay in the competition and thrive. However, the bribes would go against the ethics of the company, plus against the laws of their home country. I have tended to think that in Rome, do as the Romans do, but it's a difficult question.

[Ryllharu]

Mushoku Tensei - 11 (Season 1 End)



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I really do like the way fighting styles are all portrayed in this series.
- Ruijerd's is very swift, with straight lines, thrusts both fist and spear, with overwhelming power.
- Ghislaine's is hard to tell, but with absolute blinding speed darting back and forth across the battlefield.
- Eris' is just phenomenally beautiful, spins and whirls and overbearing power strikes that hit like lightning. Evasive spins, but straight line attacks. Her situation awareness even when she gets hit or forced to dodge is spot on. Saving herself from being swatted away into a spin by stabilizing herself with a sword slash on the tree? Neat.
- Paul has a really nice mix of everything. He's not particularly powerful in any given style, but the ones he is proficient in, he switches between them with effortless balance to do offense and defense. It is noticeable in his stances.

Honestly, I don't think we've seen such varied styles with such dead-on consistent representation since the stuff in maybe Mai-Otome of all things. Shonen battle tournament series do thematic powers, but in actual combat styling they tend to fall short. They often don't show you anything and just flash through the attacks, they increasingly become generic swordplay, or they increasingly focus on the superpowers and not the actual weapons. Kimetsu no Yaiba is a good example of the third. The techniques are unique and cool, but you kind of lose the sense that they'd actually use a sword without the special attacks over time. Fate Etc. is a good example of the second.
(edit: Katanagatari and Air Master both do swordplay/combat pretty well too as counter examples)

[MFauli]

I don't remember Paul fighting, but agreed for the rest. This anime's battle animation really is fantastic. Makes me want to have a video game based on it.

I wished they'd show a world map regularily, because I currently have no idea from where to where they're traveling. Asura kingdom, ok, whatever.

Rudy's reaction to being at fault for the death of 2 people was lacking, although that's a common fault with anime as I recently mentioned. I had hoped he'd be more shocked and maybe desperately try to use his healing powers on the dead kid. But nah, nothng, just a little feeling bad about it.

The montages at the beginning and ending of the episode are genius. It's really been ages that a fantasy anime shows the actualy journey. Most anime would just end an episode with "we're going to Asura kingdom!" and then start the next episode in front of Asura kingdom's city walls. I wish more anime would follow Mushoku's lead here.

Oh, and: ALMOST went the whole episode without perv stuff, but the outro just had to sneak it in, lol.

[Ryllharu]

Rudy's reaction to being at fault for the death of 2 people was lacking, although that's a common fault with anime as I recently mentioned. I had hoped he'd be more shocked and maybe desperately try to use his healing powers on the dead kid. But nah, nothng, just a little feeling bad about it.
I prefer the way they handled it here.

What they showed is shock. That's what it looks like. Not dramatized hollywood bullshit.

Rudy is in actual shock that he let someone die in a ham-fisted attempt to improve their reputation by arriving at a heroic moment. He's not Ghislaine after all (and even she barely made it at full speed). It's a much better delivery having him reflect on it completely internally, not even to the audience, until much later after they've left the city and there's actually time to think about it.

The kid was severed in half, then smacked hard against a petrified tree. There's no healing from that, even if they haven't actually established how powerful healing is. Our only frame of reference was Eris taking an absolutely brutal beating which took a considerable time to heal, brought her teeth back, and I'm not entirely sure he healed her all the way at the time.

Same with the other guy. By the time they were done with the snake, he was gone.

As for "just feeling bad about it"? No. Rudy changed his ways after this. He thought he was clever, adult in a kid's body. Knows how the world works. But he's still really, really bad with interpersonal stuff. Now he's changing. He's not a super genius, all-knowing in strategy. He knows that now. He agreed to consult with others from now on. That's growth.

[Kraco]

Rudeus could think of nothing but how to get Eris back home, and on top of it he promised to help Ruijerd with the Superd clan's ill reputation. Even when he failed with the death of the kid, he still felt that crushing responsibility on his shoulders. He couldn't afford to show anything more than he did, nor think of anything extra, so he just locked up. I'd say the episode showed perfectly how a person who foolishly accepted a responsibility of immense importance well beyond their means would behave when the house of cards starts collapsing.

But yeah, it's impossible not to like the fight scenes.

[DarthEnderX]

Lol, soon as he said "My plan is perfect!" I knew what was gonna happen.

WTF is this 11 episode season shit?!

[Munsu]

Lol, soon as he said "My plan is perfect!" I knew what was gonna happen.

WTF is this 11 episode season shit?!

Yeah, it surprised me when I saw it the other day someone mentioned it here. Probably something Covid-19 related, I believe the series was delayed as it was already so there's some scheduling conflict as well. I doubt we'll have to wait much for more.

[KrayZ33]

Say whaaaat?
I'm on vacation atm and I was really hoping to get to see the last 2 episodes in that vacation. So we only get 11?

Darn... well, since it will continue in July, I think I can forgive them.

[Buffalobiian]

Many good shows have weird 11 ep cours. I'm okay, as long as it's good.

Besides Eris's animation, what impressed me was that Rudy has a nuke. Sure, he displayed a huge storm when he graduated from Roxy years ago, but to have that much power to know he can just delete a city is something else. The other two party members dominated the monster hunts (even if the killing blow was Rudy's), but this guy's got the nuke.

Also, this means that Roxy was a 44 yo masturbating to Paul's sex, not a 15yo.

edit: Also, I bet 50 bucks that Paul banged that elf from his party as well.

[MFauli]

edit: Also, I bet 50 bucks that Paul banged that elf from his party as well.

You could have just written "give me 50 bucks!" lol

[shinta|hikari]

Besides Eris's animation, what impressed me was that Rudy has a nuke. Sure, he displayed a huge storm when he graduated from Roxy years ago, but to have that much power to know he can just delete a city is something else. The other two party members dominated the monster hunts (even if the killing blow was Rudy's), but this guy's got the nuke.


He needs more battle experience. He is using the wrong spells and trying to contribute in the wrong ways. The frontline is there to keep the enemy busy while he prepares a powerful spell, which is what happened at the end. He shouldn't be trying to snipe an enemy that can move much faster than he can using small bullets.

[DarthEnderX]

Besides Eris's animation, what impressed me was that Rudy has a nuke. Sure, he displayed a huge storm when he graduated from Roxy years ago, but to have that much power to know he can just delete a city is something else.I don't think that line was literal.

He was saying "In order to protect Eris, I'd level this entire city if I had to." as in, that's how far he'd be willing to go. That doesn't mean he actually has the power to do that with a single spell.

[MFauli]

He shouldn't be trying to snipe an enemy that can move much faster than he can using small bullets.

That's an issue I mentioned weeks ago, too, though: He NEEDS to become faster. Surely there must be a way to speed up. I noticed how it never looked like Rudy did any training or got stronger. Eris truly is leveling up all the time, but Rudy? Just the same level of magic whenever we see it.

[shinta|hikari]

He is severely limited by his age. His body and muscles are just too small to keep up with even Eris, who is quite a bit bigger than him. Isn't he like 7 years old?

As for his magic, I think we haven't seen the best that he can do, being a mage and all. His specialty would be huge AOE magic, and I believe he has leveled up significantly if him just being pissed can cause the weather in the city to change.

[Kraco]

He is severely limited by his age. His body and muscles are just too small to keep up with even Eris, who is quite a bit bigger than him. Isn't he like 7 years old?

Didn't they celebrate his 10th birthday back at the Grayrat mansion? I seem to recall they only celebrate the 5th, 10th, and 15th (adult) birthdays in general. Although I could easily be remembering wrong.

[MFauli]

He is severely limited by his age. His body and muscles are just too small to keep up with even Eris, who is quite a bit bigger than him. Isn't he like 7 years old?

As for his magic, I think we haven't seen the best that he can do, being a mage and all. His specialty would be huge AOE magic, and I believe he has leveled up significantly if him just being pissed can cause the weather in the city to change.

Then I hope he learns a truly powerful non-AoE spell soon, because when the only choice is between losing or nuking, that's kinda bad, lol.

[Munsu]

Didn't they celebrate his 10th birthday back at the Grayrat mansion? I seem to recall they only celebrate the 5th, 10th, and 15th (adult) birthdays in general. Although I could easily be remembering wrong.

Yes, he's 10. They got transported at precisely his birthday party if not mistaken... he was testing his new present.

[KrayZ33]

Eris is 2(?) years older than him.
He is quick using spells actually and can enhance his movement that way. He was doing so when he was 6 or so while training with his father or fighting the kidnappers. It's far below the advanced combat style users though

[Munsu]

Then I hope he learns a truly powerful non-AoE spell soon, because when the only choice is between losing or nuking, that's kinda bad, lol.

Since he became a tutor to Eris, I think he has stagnated on his own magic improvement. He focused on learning new languages, etc. and not honing his spells.

Also, there's a difference between casting spells and fighting using magic. I think he's lacking on the latter considerably, which is a bit of a surprise since he has been practicing swordsmanship so he has some level of instruction on fighting. But even so, point remains that he's still lacking on how to fight using magic besides whatever he has self-taught himself.

All those points aside, to your point... no one can cast faster than him that we know of (other than potentially the one that teleported and his ilk). So in a one on one setting, mages are probably at a disadvantage if even Rudeus is lacking.

But, I don't think it's an issue of him speeding up (though in time it may very well be, he's still growing), but more of an issue of accuracy and timing, and just overall battle awareness. His spell repertoire seems weak too, wonder if he'll learn new spells soon. He's honestly been half-assing it for a while now on this regard.

Anyways, loved the latest episode... a damn shame we have to wait for more. It's listed with 12 episodes, and that's not enough for the full story, so I hope we get more after. This is a series that deserves to been fully animated particularly since it's finished product as it is, and it's very popular to boot.

[shinta|hikari]

This is not even the prologue to this story, so this will definitely get more seasons.

[neflight86]

Jolly good episode. The fights, the drama, the pace and variety of events (battle, extortion, separation, and resolve) sandwiched between two credit streams with more world building makes this feel like a very quality product.

I've read most of the available manga; how much more story, does anyone know, is there in the books beyond that? Just trying to guage how many seasons might eventually exist if this hits off sales wise.

[shinta|hikari]

I didn't really read the WN past the first meeting with Rujierd, but from what I gather in various places online, this is similar to Dragon Ball where it covers decades of time.

[Munsu]

Jolly good episode. The fights, the drama, the pace and variety of events (battle, extortion, separation, and resolve) sandwiched between two credit streams with more world building makes this feel like a very quality product.

I've read most of the available manga; how much more story, does anyone know, is there in the books beyond that? Just trying to guage how many seasons might eventually exist if this hits off sales wise.

I don't know how the manga goes, but LN/WN wise, we're at around volume 3 currently out of 24 volumes. So that should gives us an idea on how long this series could be.

There was quite a bit of content cut out in this volume, particularly as it regards the plan to rehabilitate the Superd name, but hopefully they'll find another means to get the same point across in some other manner. But from an impact context, I like this more with the failure, leading to being found out, leading to being chased out of town and how that translated to the level of of pressure Rudeus was putting upon his shoulders alone and the disastrous consequences it had from doing so.

But even so, it felt bit a bit rushed, like they wanted to end this season in the best manner and cut corners to arrive at this point. Nonetheless, as I said before, loved the episode.

Also loved the message Paul apparently left for Rudeus and the faith he placed on him, even if he's only 10 years old. That said, was curious... was there some allusion to a message system within the Guild (like via magic or maybe by courier)? And I wonder if that system, whatever it is, is connected with the Guild in the Demon continent as well.

[Buffalobiian]

I don't think that line was literal.

He was saying "In order to protect Eris, I'd level this entire city if I had to." as in, that's how far he'd be willing to go. That doesn't mean he actually has the power to do that with a single spell.

"To make that happen, I'd wipe this whole city off the map".. (staff glows, clouds darken and spin around).

He was about to AoE the city.

There's no point trying a spell like that unless you know you can do it.

Flash flooding a city without killing everyone there just creates enemies. Rudy is after eliminating enemies, and he showed no suggestion that he was just after horse dude.

[Kraco]

"To make that happen, I'd wipe this whole city off the map".. (staff glows, clouds darken and spin around).

He was about to AoE the city.

There's no point trying a spell like that unless you know you can do it.

Flash flooding a city without killing everyone there just creates enemies. Rudy is after eliminating enemies, and he showed no suggestion that he was just after horse dude.

I fully disagree. I'd say his intention was to make the people forget all about the Superd when someone else turned their city in a giant, dirty pool of water. Of course a bunch of people would most likely die due to flooding, but getting hammered by rain, no matter how heavy, will not automatically kill anyone. Even a Japanese person will just get a fever lasting for one or two days.

Edit: Somehow I got the timing of the events mixed in my head. Ruijerd hadn't even revealed himself yet.

[DarthEnderX]

"To make that happen, I'd wipe this whole city off the map".. (staff glows, clouds darken and spin around).

He was about to AoE the city.I just assumed he was going to lightning strike horsedude.

Like, realistically, any attack that "wiped the city off the map" would also kill Eris. She's in the middle of the fucking city.

[KrayZ33]

I just assumed he was going to lightning strike horsedude.

Like, realistically, any attack that "wiped the city off the map" would also kill Eris. She's in the middle of the fucking city.

I agree. I thought it was more of a figure of speech and he was about to stealth kill that horse with a nature spell that can't be tracked down to him as easily.

I kinda wonder why he is always "hiding" his weapon. Is it to protect it from thieves because it looks so valuable?

[shinta|hikari]

I kinda wonder why he is always "hiding" his weapon. Is it to protect it from thieves because it looks so valuable?

I would think so. Works the same IRL. If I had an expensive item and had to go through a rough neighborhood, I would hide it from view as much as possible.

[Buffalobiian]

I just assumed he was going to lightning strike horsedude.

Like, realistically, any attack that "wiped the city off the map" would also kill Eris. She's in the middle of the fucking city.

Rudy's there too. I assumed that somehow the spell doesn't kill the dude standing in the middle of it.

Rewatching the scene he does look directly at horse dude right at the end but, so yeah.. probably just wanted to kill him.

[Munsu]

I would think so. Works the same IRL. If I had an expensive item and had to go through a rough neighborhood, I would hide it from view as much as possible.

Part of their scheme is coming off as a low-rank, non-powerful, non-threatening adventurers party, so hiding the powerful staff surely plays into that as well.

All that said, he has been hiding it since he arrived to the demon continent, before they even thought of forming an official guild party, so other reasons are at play as well you mention it, maybe it's also something the helps maintain it? Though I doubt that since Roxy herself is openly carrying her staff.

[DarthEnderX]

A huge advantage of his is that people will underestimate him because he's a kid. He doesn't want to lose that element of surprise by waving around some archmage staff.

[Ryllharu]

It has an absurdly large crystal ball on it.

He probably covers it to keep from setting stuff on fire from the sun.

Fun Fact: It happens more than you think, and one just happened a week or two ago (https://www.wsoctv.com/news/trending/crystal-ball-starts-wisconsin-house-fire-that-causes-250k-damage-officials-say/PNNQIV5G3JGUNNOJ4OJBJJQYEQ/).

[shinta|hikari]

Fuck crystal balls.

[Kraco]

Fuck crystal balls.

I've read a manga with a wingman crystal ball. It was great.

[Kraco]

Looks like the second season got pushed from July to October (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-05-19/mushoku-tensei-jobless-reincarnation-anime-delays-return-from-july-to-october/.172967), due to undisclosed production issues. A pity.

[KrayZ33]

I wish they'd have done that from the beginning... now I fear that it's pushed back AND I'll get a shitty production.

[Buffalobiian]

Ep 12 is out.


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Man, remember those episodes that were never boring from start to finish and all too short? They're back.

The two being disappointed at not being able to swim for entirely different reasons, Eris feigning good sportsmanship to Rudeus only to run off crying were all so in character.

These next 3 months are going to be gooood.

[Kraco]

Yeah, it's great how strong the character personalities are. I had already forgotten exactly how great.

This was kind of a sad episode because Rudeus and Roxy passed each other, with neither noticing the other.

[Ryllharu]

I see (or rather hear) why they cast Rie Tanaka as the elf...

Roxy's going back to their group's inn, right after Rudy passes through and overhears the elf getting laid. Guess Paul's entire adventuring party was full of horndogs and unsatiated women. Maybe it's a miracle that Zenith got him to settle down with her at all.

No comments on Eris being able to do a standing jump that's 10 feet in the air?

edit:
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Iguchi Yuka voiced demon girl reappears and the series suddenly becomes a Trigger anime?

[DarthEnderX]

Well, now I know where Milim is pretty much completely ripped off from.

[Buffalobiian]

No comments on Eris being able to do a standing jump that's 10 feet in the air?

It was funny.

Overall everyone did seem to be slightly taller - but mainly Eris.

So the thing with Foresight then is that it predicts the most likely path, but it's not the guaranteed future, since he clearly saw Cleaner's head get smashed by the pot but he blasted him away before it could happen - which meant Foresight saw something that didn't occur.

[DarthEnderX]

So the thing with Foresight then is that it predicts the most likely path, but it's not the guaranteed future, since he clearly saw Cleaner's head get smashed by the pot but he blasted him away before it could happen - which meant Foresight saw something that didn't occur.Well seeing the future would be pretty fucking useless if you couldn't take action to change it. I assume it shows what's going to happen if you don't do anything.

But yeah, multiple outcomes are clearly possible since he saw more than one Eris image when fighting her. We might know more if they hadn't skipped over his ass beating by Ruj.

[Buffalobiian]

Well seeing the future would be pretty fucking useless if you couldn't take action to change it. I assume it shows what's going to happen if you don't do anything.

But yeah, multiple outcomes are clearly possible since he saw more than one Eris image when fighting her. We might know more if they hadn't skipped over his ass beating by Ruj.

I thought the Multi Eris was more Eris+1sec, Eris+2sec etc, not alternative Eris actions, but that's possible.

As for seeing the future being useless if it doesn't change, that depends. I am actually rather fond of prophecies that are 100% true but incomplete - because that means you can trust them 100% (they will be true), but now that you know what will happen regardless of choices, you can focus on what you didn't see - and focus on changing that.

For example, if Eris will throw sand regardless, then we know intercepting her throw is useless. She'll throw. But dodging or blocking is an option because that is an open outcome.

The opposite is true here where for example Rudy might know someone will attack him - now it's just up to him to see if he can change the outcome. Interestingly, Foresight also applied to himself when he was waving his hands in front of his own face.

One thing they planted this episode was having Roxy around the sparring session. She really had no reason to be there unless she recognised that humans were rare (and thus could be Rudy), or heard rumours of their description and came to sus out a young male magician with a staff.

[Kraco]

I thought the Multi Eris was more Eris+1sec, Eris+2sec etc, not alternative Eris actions, but that's possible.

As for seeing the future being useless if it doesn't change, that depends. I am actually rather fond of prophecies that are 100% true but incomplete - because that means you can trust them 100% (they will be true), but now that you know what will happen regardless of choices, you can focus on what you didn't see - and focus on changing that.
.

Those incomplete prophecies don't work in minute details, only in large, more vague ones. They are typically the kind where you also don't know if the future you predict (or heard predicted) is a result of you doing nothing or a result of you doing something. However, it's logically impossible for that to work in a scenario like in this episode. If we consider a hand-to-hand duel, 2 seconds is an extremely long time. Even 1 second is a significant amount of time. In other words, if Rudeus sees Eris's movement from a second in the future, he can preemptively react to it, but that still leaves enough time for Eris to react to Rudeus's change of movements and change her own attack, which nullifies what Rudeus originally saw. However, there's a certain time limit where Rudeus has enough time to react but Eris doesn't anymore. That's the limit where Rudeus would need to adjust his future vision to beat Eris consistently.

With Ruijerd, however, it doesn't work for Rudeus for the time being. Ruijerd would, probably, react too fast to leave Rudeus any time to adjust his own defense/attacks anymore, plus Ruijerd probably has attacks so deadly that even if Rudeus can foresee them, there's nothing he can do about it in time.

[Ryllharu]

I thought the Multi Eris was more Eris+1sec, Eris+2sec etc, not alternative Eris actions, but that's possible.

As for seeing the future being useless if it doesn't change, that depends. I am actually rather fond of prophecies that are 100% true but incomplete - because that means you can trust them 100% (they will be true), but now that you know what will happen regardless of choices, you can focus on what you didn't see - and focus on changing that.

For example, if Eris will throw sand regardless, then we know intercepting her throw is useless. She'll throw. But dodging or blocking is an option because that is an open outcome.
It levels the ability out rather than making it extremely overpowered (though it is anyway). I suspect it will balance out to be the way he primarily avoids getting hit or dying, rather than offensive.

Because Eris is getting better and better as a fighter, and we could literally see it. She starts with a single move at 1 second, but based on her reaction to his reaction, at 2 seconds one becomes three, then becomes five. All in the span of a few seconds.

Her reaction speed and instinct is only going to go upward, as indicated by Rujerd's ass whipping of Rudy. She's mopey right now, but Eris has been getting better at a steady rate not much different from Rudy with magic.

[neflight86]

Yay for not wasting time with any recap. Good stuff. Yes, the demon king did seem to drag her scene straight to zany, character art-wise, but it wasn't unwelcome. Why was she destitute in the middle of the city? Even if she was displaced in the cataclysm, it's been over a year, right? Is she that helpless to wind up begging?

Turning a blind eye to evil is an interesting concession, but couldn't they find another way to get a reasonable fare, like threats (you are overcharging a Supard, after all) or another set of disguises? Rudy gave up on other angels a bit too quick, but I guess he was worries about how his tampering got out of hand last season.

Any indication how much time has passed since last episode?

[Ryllharu]

I think it is a year? He mentioned Eris' age, which seems to be the only key we really have for durations.

[Buffalobiian]

It was mentioned that he's been wandering for a year all up.

[KrayZ33]

Ep 12 is out.


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Man, remember those episodes that were never boring from start to finish and all too short? They're back.

The two being disappointed at not being able to swim for entirely different reasons, Eris feigning good sportsmanship to Rudeus only to run off crying were all so in character.

These next 3 months are going to be gooood.

amazing first episode for an amazing show.
Unless something out of the ordinary will happen, this show is going to be my favorite for sure already.

I liked the littel detail that we could see Roxy/Elf/Dwarf in the background on the ship when it entered the harbor.

[MFauli]

Disgusting loli demon was unnecessary. She's not even sexy. Just Literally a prepubescent gir wearing lingerie. :/

[Kraco]

Disgusting loli demon was unnecessary. She's not even sexy. Just Literally a prepubescent gir wearing lingerie. :/

Just forget it. It's practically impossible for an isekai series not to have a loli demon.

[Ryllharu]

It wasn't so much that they had a loli demon, it was the complete tonal shift she brought along.

From a generally grounded and well rooted series to Panty & Stocking type slapstick.

Her section felt like a bonus gaiden manga chapter that's either crossovers, deliberate continuity breaks for fun (e.g. All of the Black Lagoon ones), Momotaro, or Alice in Wonderland themed.

[Kraco]

It wasn't so much that they had a loli demon, it was the complete tonal shift she brought along.

From a generally grounded and well rooted series to Panty & Stocking type slapstick.

Her section felt like a bonus gaiden manga chapter that's either crossovers, deliberate continuity breaks for fun (e.g. All of the Black Lagoon ones), Momotaro, or Alice in Wonderland themed.

I disagree. How does this loli demon tonal shift/continuity breaks from the totally weird (and suspicious) human god, for example? I'd say the problem is that we didn't see that much of the demon continent. We saw Roxy's home village, that one city, and now they are already in a harbour town ready to leave the continent, provided they can secure a ship voyage. The demon continent might have been full of all kinds of strange, esoteric folks, seeing how it has to be the most heterogeneous of all the continents. The demon loli could have been nothing out of ordinary by local standards.

[Ryllharu]

The scene where she grabs out his eye to replace it with the future sight eye feels distressingly similar to Kill la Kill's deliberate indifference towards blood fountains that don't somehow don't actually drain their victims of all their blood. i.e. Done for laughs at how absurd it is. In a franchise that generally doesn't go that route, the observational absurdity is typically centered around the overt horniness and fetishes, not comical violence.

The counter example where, while strange as shit, it still fits, is the Boreas Greyrat tradition of being obsessed with Kemonomimi races...and causally plowing them throughout the estate but also respecting them?

The creepy human god is a non-descript, faceless annoyance that torment Rudy with cryptic warnings and self-admitted poor advice (or is it?!) for his own amusement and driving some plan that we're not fully aware of. As the machinations of petty gods ought to be.

[MFauli]

... I just don't understand why the artist thought it was necessary to depict her as a prepubescent body wearing lingerie. No censorship call, I just don't like it :/

[Kraco]

... I just don't understand why the artist thought it was necessary to depict her as a prepubescent body wearing lingerie. No censorship call, I just don't like it :/

Because she's a female demon. A female demon is almost the synonym for a succubus. Succubi dress like that. It doesn't really matter if you like it or not because the Japanese love their loli characters.

[Ryllharu]

Because she's a female demon. A female demon is almost the synonym for a succubus. Succubi dress like that. It doesn't really matter if you like it or not because the Japanese love their loli characters.

Well, I mean there's also some strong implications to her dialogue. "This incarnation...", "300 years since my resurrection..."

She's not only much older than she looks, she's been in other forms before.

The demon continent is so sparse, she just makes "good enough" clothes. The chains and shackles are reminiscent at least in my head of Morgiana from Magi, and she wears what can best be described as formal rags, upgraded from her previous actual rags.

[Kraco]

Episode 13


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Poor sacred beast. It clearly enjoys playing with people and having its fur fluffed, but the stupid beast people apparently refuse to touch it. No wonder those beast people are also quick to jump to lousy conclusions. Kind of funny they automatically think someone their sacred beast clearly likes to be a criminal scumbag.

Undoubtedly the most lewd episode so far. As lowly as threatening someone suffering from an involuntary condition is, maybe that threat makes Eris woman up and deal with her sea sickness better through sheer guts.

[KrayZ33]

The creepy human god is a non-descript, faceless annoyance that torment Rudy with cryptic warnings and self-admitted poor advice (or is it?!) for his own amusement and driving some plan that we're not fully aware of. As the machinations of petty gods ought to be.

That reminds me, since it's been a while, was it just Goblin Slayer or this show as well that made the gods (of all races) seem like they are scheming and doing something in the background.
The human god was a "not to be trusted" figure, I'm pretty sure... but I forgot why. I remember something very important happened in the first season when he appeared... and it was only hinted at.

He was the "human god" was he not? Or does this universe not have a god for every race?
Conflicting memories show up between Goblin Slayer, Mushoku and Divinity Original Sin 2 in my head.

Maybe I'll rewatch it... the BDs came out a few months ago after all.

[Ryllharu]

Huh. Elinalise really is a proud and happy slut. Good for her, though even as open as she is about her...uh...needs, she still calls Paul scum...

Roxy's view of love is almost too pure and innocent. Considering she's the oldest, BY FAR, of Rudy's potential romance partners, and we already know she's sexually active and interested in the idea, it was honestly a little surprising that her fantasy was as cliché as you can get for an adventurer. She basically wants a sheepish though courageous younger man to save her faux-damsel style. That also puts Rudy squarely in her strike zone. The general discomfort with this series' implications continues...

It was amusing that the missed connection is Roxy's own fault twice over.

I guess Eris really is falling for Rudy.


That reminds me, since it's been a while, was it just Goblin Slayer or this show as well that made the gods (of all races) seem like they are scheming and doing something in the background.

Conflicting memories show up between Goblin Slayer, Mushoku and Divinity Original Sin 2 in my head.
Goblin Slayer is implied to be a D&D/Sword World RPG game (that's what Lodoss War is based on), crossed with The Punisher.

DOS2 is full of very petty gods. There's some very specific stuff from that game that I absolutely won't spoil here, but it seems to be the closest to this.

[DarthEnderX]

It was amusing that the missed connection is Roxy's own fault twice over. I was not amused. Near misses between people looking for one another has always been one of the most frustrating tropes to me.

[Kraco]

I was not amused. Near misses between people looking for one another has always been one of the most frustrating tropes to me.

Yeah, it's somewhat frustrating, although it's also realistic. It's easy to miss another person in a city. Unlike the audience, the characters themselves aren't aware of it, so for them missing the other by five meters is no different from missing them by a hundred kilometers. Personally I dislike the kind of opposite scene more: A coincidence where a person spots another one randomly, in a place not frequently visited far from home, at the exact worst possible moment. That trope is often used to create cheap drama for romance stories in the way of misunderstandings.

[Ryllharu]

I was not amused. Near misses between people looking for one another has always been one of the most frustrating tropes to me.

It's a little different here, I think. It's not two people trying to find each other and inexplicably missing each other through plot contrivances, which is infuriating. That's the example of them passing each other in the alley or at the docks on the two boats. I'm with you there. But they were in the same city for days and days.

This is Roxy, specifically, failing. Them missing each other is entirely her own fault.

She's a former adventurer in this very city. She has connections. People know her. She deliberately steered them all away from Dead End (Rudy's party) out of irrational fear. The dwarf guy is asking around. Elinalisa is whoring it up to get personal pleasure while also asking for information in other back alleys. They're both doing the legwork.

Roxy steered them away from a well-traveled, well informed mercenary party for stupid personal reasons. She even saw them later, and ran away at full speed.

There's not that many humans on the demon continent regularly, or within the interior. Seeing Eris alone should have been an opportunity to ask Eris is she ever met a boy that met Rudy's description, or Zenith's, or Lilia's.

I assume that now Roxy is going to travel all the way to her hometown, still looking for them, only to learn that they were headed the way she just came from over a year ago, with Rujerd.

[Kraco]

This is Roxy, specifically, failing. Them missing each other is entirely her own fault.

You are expecting too much from her. She's mortally afraid of the Superd, so she's not going to go chat with Eris, whom she suspects to be associated with a Superd. Furthermore, she noticed Eris is really powerful, so Roxy likely wouldn't even imagine Eris being some brat from the human continent who has only been for a year among the demons. For all we know, they might have also been asking the wrong questions. If they are asking for rumours about human victims of a teleportation incident, it might not make people think about a tough mercenary gang that has lately been making a name for themselves.

[DarthEnderX]

There's not that many humans on the demon continent regularly, or within the interior. Seeing Eris alone should have been an opportunity to ask Eris is she ever met a boy that met Rudy's description, or Zenith's, or Lilia's.She doesn't think Eris is human. She thinks she's some kind of red-haired Superd.

[Buffalobiian]

I just remembered that Rudy has his eye of Foresight and it got zero use today.

And the fishy dude smuggled Ruijerd, but in return wanted the party to lberate/sabotage smuggled goods? Is he a mole or something? That part doesn't add up.

[DarthEnderX]

And the fishy dude smuggled Ruijerd, but in return wanted the party to lberate/sabotage smuggled goods? Is he a mole or something? That part doesn't add up.Yeah, I didn't get that either. The guy that smuggled Ruijerd also wanted them to free people from the smugglers?

[neflight86]

I expect the intention was for them to take the prisoners for another transaction on behalf of that smuggler. I expect the audience doesn't know any of the details because Rudius never intended to comply with the smuggler's request regardless what the goods happened to be. Silly on the smuggler's part to take them at their word, but maybe the job itself was to save face and he was really just paying Rudy back for saving his life earlier.

I forgot how lewd this show can be, but this is the first episode where it took enough of the screen time from other things to be unwelcome. We got things to do, people!

[KrayZ33]

Well, maybe the smuggler has a deal with the beast people who came to the rescue as well
Or maybe he wanted the goods himself. Or maybe he got paid to do it.

Or maybe none of that.

I noticed that Roxy mentioned she is King Class.

I know that she mentioned her rank advancement in a letter to Rudi.
Is it different from that, or is it the same rank?
Does someone remember?

And does someone remember what Rank missions Rudi's group took in that first town?
Wasn't that "A" Rank as well? After they got that license thingy.

[MFauli]

I really hope Eris won't be Rudy's final love interest. Either have him gather a harem or have it be Roxy or the elf girl with green hair. Eris is the boring choice.


Because she's a female demon. A female demon is almost the synonym for a succubus. Succubi dress like that. It doesn't really matter if you like it or not because the Japanese love their loli characters.

Yeah, but if you're gonna sexualize her anyway, make her look hot like an Idolmaster-loli. Not a literal child body :/

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 14

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They won't just let us have a happy episode. :(


Seeing beast kids die didn't do much, because to be honest anime desensitizes you to this stuff anyway, but seeing Eris's enthusiasm at telling Gramps about Beast-people village right before he's beheaded? That didn't feel good.

The smuggling shit makes complete sense now.

[Ryllharu]

Uh...this entire world is fetish-pervy. The beast people's native culture is to roll over on your belly as an apology and await "punishment"?

I get that it is a common quadruped response to submission for many Earth animals. But...<deep sigh>.

I also thought Rudy had more useful combat magic, especially with all the experience between the snake monster at the end of last season and their year-long journey to the port city. Guess this episode is a better reminder of, "For real, swordsmanship is no joke in this world and at particular levels, is on par with any other fantasy skills."

[Kraco]

Uh...this entire world is fetish-pervy. The beast people's native culture is to roll over on your belly as an apology and await "punishment"?

I get that it is a common quadruped response to submission for many Earth animals. But...<deep sigh>.

I suppose it would natural to just think of it as a fetist fest. On the other hand every little difference contibutes to not making the beast people nothing but humans with animal ears.


I also thought Rudy had more useful combat magic, especially with all the experience between the snake monster at the end of last season and their year-long journey to the port city. Guess this episode is a better reminder of, "For real, swordsmanship is no joke in this world and at particular levels, is on par with any other fantasy skills."

Maybe he's too used to having two close combat fighters by his side in fights. Now he started to act immediately when the big dog appeared, and fulfilled that role to a degree, but it's still not the same as having too fast fighters to give him time to use his magic.

[Buffalobiian]

I suppose it would natural to just think of it as a fetist fest. On the other hand every little difference contibutes to not making the beast people nothing but humans with animal ears.

That smell business was a nice touch. That said, rain wouldn't let you smell shit either. Besides putting out the fire, the rain just removed the smoke, which removes nasal irritation, but hardly lets you smell again.

Minor quip.

[MFauli]

I was glad that Rudy's foresight was shown to be not almighty. Yeah, he sees stuff - doesn't mean he can move as fast.

Didn't expect the grandpa to be executed for real. That alone makes this a good anime. Nothing worse than 'he's gonna be killed - NAH, JUST JOKING'.

[neflight86]

Was Ghislane(sp?) also a saint class swordsman? She seemed a bit more impressive.

[Buffalobiian]

Was Ghislane(sp?) also a saint class swordsman? She seemed a bit more impressive.

She was a Sword King when she rescued Eris from the kidnappers.

edit:

well, thanks to having to go back through old eps, I was reminded that this happened right before the teleportation storm hit. Guess we now know that magic eyes exist and Ghislaine probably has one.

https://i.imgur.com/bmD2sjJ.jpg

[KrayZ33]

I found the ape-face guy to be a bit fishy.
He surely has a more important role in the future?

Everything felt unnatural about him, especially since he got trapped in there with Rudy in the first place.
What was he doing there, especially the reason why he was imprisoned felt weird.

For cheating? In a game? In a Beast tribe village?

[Kraco]

I found the ape-face guy to be a bit fishy.
He surely has a more important role in the future?

Everything felt unnatural about him, especially since he got trapped in there with Rudy in the first place.
What was he doing there, especially the reason why he was imprisoned felt weird.

For cheating? In a game? In a Beast tribe village?

If he's a habitual cheater in gambling, he would ultimately need to change his location continuously. If he had heard the beast tribe has some minor wealth, he might have simply thought he could earn coins by beating some guys over there in games, before the animal ears folks even realise what's going on. However, since the place is obviously quite rural and tribal, the local rules and conventions might have worked against him.

[KrayZ33]

If he's a habitual cheater in gambling, he would ultimately need to change his location continuously. If he had heard the beast tribe has some minor wealth, he might have simply thought he could earn coins by beating some guys over there in games, before the animal ears folks even realise what's going on. However, since the place is obviously quite rural and tribal, the local rules and conventions might have worked against him.

I wonder if he is half-beastman himself, since his back/neck was also hairy and his nails were black.

The thing is, these guys aren't really fond of humans from what I could tell.
So a human visiting their tribe and them gambling together for funsies seems quite out of place.

[neflight86]

I'd assume the more likely explanation of monkey man's imprisonment is that he lied about why he was put in the cage with the nude teenager that seemed a bit too comfortable with the whole situation and forgot to correct the lie later when he was in full disciple mode.

[Kraco]

Episode 15


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Quite a nice episode. Not much happened, apart from revealing something about Ghislaine's (dark) history, but it still felt very meaningful. The more Eris's character is built, the more impact it will have when she finds out her grandpa's fate.

That one beast tribe woman is annoying, though. It's strange she keeps hanging around Rudeus, despite their history. Is she Gyes's wife, or something, and thus can't just make herself scarce? It's obvious she still has nothing but distaste for Rudeus and doesn't make much of an effort to hide it.

[shinta|hikari]

Rudeus better be practicing his eye, magic, and swordsmanship behind the scenes. If not, he is a fucking idiot.

[Buffalobiian]

So umm... if they can indeed smell sexual arousal, they didn't mistake Rudy and the dog like we initially thought. (unless they can't tell who is aroused and just assumed it was Rudy).

[shinta|hikari]

Wasn't their problem was the fact that the sacred beast itself was being aroused by his actions?

[Kraco]

So umm... if they can indeed smell sexual arousal, they didn't mistake Rudy and the dog like we initially thought. (unless they can't tell who is aroused and just assumed it was Rudy).

I thought that was the joke. It's the dog, but since it's a sacred beast, it will always be blameless, and Rudy will be accused automatically. But then again, I reckon Rudeus isn't washing his clothes every day, so with how perverted he is, some smell will stick.

[DarthEnderX]

How long till the beast turns into a hot human girl, ya figure?

[Buffalobiian]

Ah. I assumed the dog was a boy. This makes sense now. Kinda.

[DarthEnderX]

Ah. I assumed the dog was a boy.I mean, they haven't said. But odds are...

[MFauli]

Wouldn't Rudy be perma-smelly?

;o


How long till the beast turns into a hot human girl, ya figure?

I keep waiting for that since Rudy first met the dog, LOL

[Kraco]

Episode 16


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Another excellent episode. My favourite part was Eris trying to console Rudeus. It was so much in character and totally out of her field of expertise.

On a more serious note, this was another episode that highlighted how lacking a man/father Paul is. It's one thing if the audience can't really decide whether to treat Rudeus as a brat, a 40 years old dude, or what, but for Paul, Rudeus should indeed be nothing but a kid, furthermore, his own son he should foremost be worried about. It was pretty rich from him to question why Rudeus was only thinking of his cousin Eris's safety and nobody else's, when Paul himself didn't spare a single thought for Rudeus, only remaining worried about his wife, maid, and second daughter.

[Ryllharu]

Paul's expectations on Rudy were ridiculous, but do make sense from a shattered, grief-stricken man's perspective. That's the kind of outburst that people make when they've suffered beyond their own level of reason. And Paul is mentally quite weak among the cast as a whole.

So while I do appreciate it as good writing, it's still bullshit.

Rudy, Eris, and Ghislaine were at the very center of the teleportation spell. The ball hovered over Eris' city for weeks. They were quickly sent off to an area that was utterly desolate, that the pair knew nothing at all about. They were lucky enough that the Human-God likes Rudy enough to perhaps have some sway in landing them close to Ruiierd. It took them weeks and weeks to get to Roxy's hometown, which is months and months into the demon lands. But Rudy is an asshole because he didn't write a letter?

Is there even mail service back to the other continents from that deep into the demon continent (the opposite end from the port)? One that humans are supremely rare on and the only thing Rudy ever learned about the place prior to being sent there was the language?

Paul expected Rudy to do more?! Fuck that. With what he knew, where he was, and how few other humans he saw until the coastline, Rudy's only goal was to get Eris home. They were 12 and 14. Eris only became a Sword Saint along the way because she had Rujierd to train against.

I guess that means Paul was so proud of him that he didn't worry about him (which is not how the prior season ended, since he sent his old party with Roxy specifically to find Rudy), but at the same time he's such an asshole when they reunite. Which again, is realistic at least for someone so broken they'll blame anyone they can find for not doing more.

Writing this out, I feel better.

But yeah, that scene at the end with Eris was cute. She's doing her best.

And the Goblin Slayer jokes to lead into it were well used to catch me off guard with Paul's grief-fueled rage.

[Buffalobiian]

1) I think part of why Paul felt so shitty about this was that Rudy's delivery made it sound like an exciting adventure born out of an unfortunate relocation. Rudy himself acknowledged this, but Paul took it as utter disregard. That's taking it out of perspective, but it's rather understandable.

On the human side of things, it seems like the mass teleportation disaster was supposed to be well known. From what we've been told thus far, it was never gossipped around in the Demon Continent. Paul doesn't know that though.

2) Rudy could actually fight Paul rather evenly now. They both tried there. That's progress on Rudy's part - but largely because he got a nice upgrade thanks to the Gods.

edit: Okay fine, Paul was drunk.

3) Eris.. nice.

4) The Geese is actually some big shot I reckon. Not sure if he's one of the "famed people on the Engraving" big-shot, but he's up there is my gut feeling. That said, it's plausible that Rudy told Geese about his trip and Geese figured he should read the Guild's Lost Persons section.

[DarthEnderX]

It is kinda of interesting how much traveling under a fake name keeps screwing him over. How it keeps preventing people from contacting or finding him.

[Kraco]

1) I think part of why Paul felt so shitty about this was that Rudy's delivery made it sound like an exciting adventure born out of an unfortunate relocation. Rudy himself acknowledged this, but Paul took it as utter disregard. That's taking it out of perspective, but it's rather understandable.

Yeah, we can all agree that you always get perfectly objective, analytical, and dispassionate descriptions of events from 12 year old kids, especially when the kid is very proud of what he achieved, for a good reason. Of course we know Rudeus is not a kid all the way down to his soul, but Paul knows nothing of such things. Even we do know, though, that in many ways Rudeus is like a child because of his degenerative circumstances in his previous life.

[KrayZ33]

I took me a while to realize that Rudy has been away from home for like 6 years or something by now.

How old is he now? I know it has been mentioned earlier.

[MFauli]

While Paul angered me, too, I can kinda understand him. He just never was one for serious topics. He went through life lightheartedly, banging chicks without malicious thoughts, and suddenly the women he loves vanish and he's out of options. Randomly searching THE WHOLE WORLD in hope to find them - while they're maybe slaves, raped, tortured or dead.

Rudy should have just been honest and said 'i didn't know' and apologized. Then the ball would have been in Paul's court. He could have calmed down, discussed things with Rudy - and eventually figured out how much Rudy actually accomplished in all the time.

But both of them were too aggressive, neither budging one inch.

Stuff I wonder:

- did his Little sister realize Rudy is her brother?

- why did Paul not get teleported?

- will Eris actually end up as Rudy's wife? They're pushing that hard, but I also really like the elf girl and Roxy.

[shinta|hikari]

He can have multiple lovers/wives, like Eris's grandpa.

[David75]

Teleportation was random it seems, so Paul might have been teleported to a much shorter distance than Rudeus.
He was also a top adventurer, so finding ways to travel fast was easy for him. He probably even had support from former aquaintances.

Norn was way too young to remember Rudeus at the time he left home.

[DarthEnderX]

While Paul angered me, too, I can kinda understand him. He just never was one for serious topics. He went through life lightheartedly, banging chicks without malicious thoughts, and suddenly the women he loves vanish and he's out of options. Randomly searching THE WHOLE WORLD in hope to find them - while they're maybe slaves, raped, tortured or dead.That makes it sound like he shouldn't be equally concerned about the loss of his son.

His WHOLE family was lost, not just the ones he fucks. He FINALLY finds one of them, and instead of being happy about finding his son, he's pissed cause his son didn't find everyone else for him?

Seems to me like he's pissed at himself for his own failure, and projecting that onto Rudy.

[Ryllharu]

He can have multiple lovers/wives, like Eris's grandpa.

Or Paul...Zenith just wouldn't let him take a second official wife.


Teleportation was random it seems, so Paul might have been teleported to a much shorter distance than Rudeus.

I assume that Paul was holding Norn when it happened, like Rudy grabbed Eris. That kept them together. Lilia must be with Aisha as well, wherever they were sent. Hopefully still alive.


Seems to me like he's pissed at himself for his own failure, and projecting that onto Rudy.
Yeah, that's what it seemed like. The rest of Paul's current party, including his slutty fighter, are presumably all in the same position. They're trying to do something, but really only operating on a local level with whoever they stumble upon.

Rudy is competent enough for Paul to view him as capable, but enraged that he's met with some degree of success (even though he brought Eris back from farther than any one else probably has), just not in the way that Paul still hasn't.

[Buffalobiian]

I took me a while to realize that Rudy has been away from home for like 6 years or something by now.

How old is he now? I know it has been mentioned earlier.

I think he's 11 or 12 while Eris is one year older. He got his staff for his 10th birthday and was trying it out I think when the Teleportation thing hit. Then he's been wandering for 1.5 years.


Yeah, we can all agree that you always get perfectly objective, analytical, and dispassionate descriptions of events from 12 year old kids, especially when the kid is very proud of what he achieved, for a good reason. Of course we know Rudeus is not a kid all the way down to his soul, but Paul knows nothing of such things. Even we do know, though, that in many ways Rudeus is like a child because of his degenerative circumstances in his previous life

Paul was inconsistent. He was previously worried about Rudy, asked "I'm amazed you survived" when he met him just now, but then got pissed off at how Rudy described his extraordinary journey. There'd be an element of self projection from him, but large part of this comes from the assumption that Rudy was aware of a large scale teleportation incident, the distress it's caused its victims and that Paul had been actively searching for him + giving him information.

If he was to hear his son talk about his journey in a self-centric way as if he cared for nothing else then Paul's reaction is not that unphantomable. It's not ideal, but I can kind of get why he said what he did - surprised as I was.

I take particular issue with everyone else's attitude though (the rest of the search party). They have no role in judging Rudy. They don't know this guy. Even Paul doesn't really know this guy deep down.

The only person currently who I can say understands Rudy would be Eris.

[neflight86]

Paul summed it up by saying he expected more from Rudeus. No one, aside from the god-figure, has spent more time with him during his developmental years and knows first hand just how beyond his years his capabilities are regularly proven to be. I suppose it is still ultimately unreasonable, from the layman's perspective, to think that he's asking too much from his teenager son, but this kid has been out maturing Paul himself since he was 8, and Paul knows it. He applies himself to his full potential, and his achievements appear limitless, so hoping he could somehow set this right, with an alcohol addled mind, makes enough sense. He intuitively saved their family from crumbling by his own infidelity, yet didn't consider over 18 months his family's position? Again, not a great look, but I can understand the internal logic behind the emotion.

We all get that its frustration built into anger that had to be released for some catharsis. On both sides.

These scenes, the ones that have nothing to do with swords and sorcery, are what make this show great when it could be raunchy trash. Those panties may haunt me.

[Kraco]

Again, not a great look, but I can understand the internal logic behind the emotion.


Yeah, it's easy enough to understand. Especially since Paul seems to have been drinking hard and long. That makes it all the easier to understand his behavior because drunkards care for nothing but their own whims and desires, having totally removed their social inhibitions. That being said, what we saw were Paul's 100% genuine feelings. And they were very ugly feelings for his son to witness, understandable or not.

[Ryllharu]

He intuitively saved their family from crumbling by his own infidelity, yet didn't consider over 18 months his family's position? Again, not a great look, but I can understand the internal logic behind the emotion.

We all get that its frustration built into anger that had to be released for some catharsis. On both sides.
I agree is it logical for Paul to make those judgements and say those words, but Rudy still had no idea the teleport spread that far. They were at the very center. So what else was he going to do?

Paul's messages were everywhere? Bullshit. Paul says they were posted at Wind Port (the demon continent's only port), but Rudy's limited knowledge was that they were the only ones sent away. Dead End arrived to depart the same day that Roxy's party with Paul's former members arrived. My bet is that the dwarf reposted the message there.

Paul just jumps to conclusions like he always does.

Rudy is hurt even more by this because Paul is essentially betraying him. In his past life, all his family ever did was criticize him. Justifiably...maybe. But the trust Paul had in his son, enough to send him away on his very first job at a young age is just ripped away from Rudy and suddenly nothing Rudy has accomplished the entire year and half means anything because Rudy didn't do what he should have, even though he wouldn't ever have known. So Rudy is taking the blame for something he absolutely shouldn't. Rudy's past life patterns return in force, throwing up out the window even thinking about talking to Paul about it to calm him down.

This is why Eris' rage upon seeing him down in the dumps is so moving. She sees his wounds but more importantly, the beaten way he's acting and immediately flies into vengeance mode.

[Buffalobiian]

This is why Eris' rage upon seeing him down in the dumps is so moving. She sees his wounds but more importantly, the beaten way he's acting and immediately flies into vengeance mode.

That was very heartwarming to watch. Investing Dere paid off.

[DarthEnderX]

Paul summed it up by saying he expected more from Rudeus. No one, aside from the god-figure, has spent more time with him during his developmental years and knows first hand just how beyond his years his capabilities are regularly proven to be. I suppose it is still ultimately unreasonable, from the layman's perspective, to think that he's asking too much from his teenager son, but this kid has been out maturing Paul himself since he was 8, and Paul knows it.Yeah, but he was literally expecting Rudy to solve a problem Rudy didn't even know existed.


unphantomableUnfathomable?

[Buffalobiian]

That word.

[neflight86]

Yeah, but he was literally expecting Rudy to solve a problem Rudy didn't even know existed.

Unfathomable?

A few inferences make that less likely.

1. There aren't teleportation spells/mages common enough that we have seen one, or that Roxy would have taught such a useful skill to her favorite student. It wasn't even called a mass teleportation, but a 'mana disaster'. Being at the epicenter of a bomb or blast does not suggest your body stopped it, especially when it reached the sky. To me, it's more strange to assume the shower of glowing light was localized.

2. It's been 18 months. I think about waaaaaay more stupid things in passing over the course of 18 months, not including my family friends, and home. Slipped Rudy's mind, though. Was he in a position to do anything about deducing his family were also caught in that disaster? I don't think so, but those who were have taken action, and have done some good. How much good could Rudeus have done (for those afflicted) if he had noticed and directed his efforts? Paul thinks very much, and that not happening is at the potential expense of his Wife, Mistress, and daughter(s).

3. Solving this problem is impossible, but damage control is still on the table. Paul thinks Rudy's great adventure, as he told it, was a bit too happy-go-lucky, and skimmed over the hardships and tough decisions he had to make. Son likes to emphasize success to his daddy; I get that, but dad's not sure if he's leading a rescue squad or a wake, so unfortunate timing. Paul's life is out of whack, and one of his greatest allies (his son) hasn't done anything but get back home with his companions while his mother is nowhere to be found after a year and a half.

4. Assuming Paul's being faithful (a lot to assume, I know), he has been miserable for months.

Again, though, just inferences that these characters are free to have made or not, but justify to me Paul's frustration to a degree.

[David75]

We've never been shown Rudeus trying to send a letter or get info on his parents or his village ?
But he got letters from his loli magician teacher. So at least mail works. And when he entered the guild, he had access to mail.

I'm not saying Paul is totally right, but it certainly feels strange Rudeus did not write anything... but then writing this: when Rudeus was sent to be taught magic, he was forbiden to write home.


Somehow it all pieces together, as mentionned it's possible Rudeus missed the chance to even have Paul's message by less than a day.
He was away from home with a condition to not write home or come back home.
He didn't think about the size of the disaster and with his past life personality, he somehow is a bit foreign to this world and this world's familly. So he didn't really seek familly as strongly as your average young boy.

As for the gallery, I guess they don't understand how a 12 years old boy can reply with such a level of spite and meanness and also fight like that with Paul.
And they probably agree with Norn to some degree, Rudeus has to stop. Because Paul is incredible to them, after all they follow his lead.

[MFauli]

Paul definitely s frustrated about himself, too.

But i think it's too myopic to criticise him too harshly for that. He surely wss happy to find Rudy - but that feeling simply didn't last long when the rest of the family is still in danger. Imagine your whole family was abducted. Your adult son returns. Are you happy? Ofc. Will you, however, quickly go back to worrying about your wive and underage daughter who are still in grave danger? Also yes. And if your son starts talking about his grand adventure how he escaped, you'd get angry, too.

People are too harsh on Paul.


He can have multiple lovers/wives, like Eris's grandpa.

Sure, but would Eris allow that? Would Roxy? The elf girl seems submissive enough, no issues there lol.

[Buffalobiian]

But he got letters from his loli magician teacher. So at least mail works. I remember him receiving letters from Roxy before the teleportation, but not from the Demon continent. But yes, letters work if you're in one location - which is funny because Paul is away from home.


Sure, but would Eris allow that? Would Roxy? The elf girl seems submissive enough, no issues there lol.

You know how harem endings work.

[DarthEnderX]

Paul definitely s frustrated about himself, too.

But i think it's too myopic to criticise him too harshly for that. He surely wss happy to find Rudy - but that feeling simply didn't last long when the rest of the family is still in danger. Imagine your whole family was abducted. Your adult son returns. Are you happy? Ofc. Will you, however, quickly go back to worrying about your wive and underage daughter who are still in grave danger? Also yes. And if your son starts talking about his grand adventure how he escaped, you'd get angry, too.

People are too harsh on Paul.No, they aren't. A. His son is NOT an adult. And B. Regardless of how difficult Rudy's own journey was or wasn't, the fact that the rest of his family is still missing is NOT HIS FAULT, and NOT HIS FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY!

And being like "Well it's okay that he's acting like a piece of shit...cause he's sad." is nonsense. He's acting like a piece of shit because he's a drunk fucking failure! And maybe if he wasn't sitting around getting so fucking drunk, he'd have more success finding his goddamn family!


Somehow it all pieces together, as mentionned it's possible Rudeus missed the chance to even have Paul's message by less than a day.How would he have received it anyway?

He's traveling under the name Rujierd. It would be weird for him to show up at the guild hall and be like "Hey, any messages for Rudius Greyrat? Yes, I know that's not my name, but I want his mail anyway."

[Kraco]

Paul definitely s frustrated about himself, too.

But i think it's too myopic to criticise him too harshly for that. He surely wss happy to find Rudy - but that feeling simply didn't last long when the rest of the family is still in danger. Imagine your whole family was abducted. Your adult son returns. Are you happy? Ofc. Will you, however, quickly go back to worrying about your wive and underage daughter who are still in grave danger? Also yes. And if your son starts talking about his grand adventure how he escaped, you'd get angry, too.

People are too harsh on Paul.

He's a father of three already, and none of his children are adult, far from it. He's unable to keep himself in the role of a father. However, he has been drinking for months, likely, already, so you could say much of his bad behavior is due to that. Drunkards aren't in control of themselves. Still, booze doesn't crawl into his mouth on its own, so it's 100% his own fault if he is drunk and can't take Rudy's story as a son talking to his father. He almost acted like Rudeus wasn't his child at all but rather someone external who ought to help Paul to look for Paul's missing family.

So, no, I don't think anyone's too harsh on Paul.


Sure, but would Eris allow that? Would Roxy? The elf girl seems submissive enough, no issues there lol.

Eris is from that perverted family of Grayrats. I wouldn't yet say anything about her stance. Maybe it would cost Rudy the money to hire a (lesbian) animal-ears maid to keep Eris company, though.

[MFauli]

Meh, you guys lack some empathy. Someone can make mistakes and still be empathized with. Being drunk after years of unsuccessful search? Totally understandable. It's like you guys expect him to be running around nonstop (which he kinda was). Taking a break and drinking out of desperation is not a cardinal sin.

Adults are older kids only. Too many people ignore that.

[Ryllharu]

Paul was a fairly well kept and motivated individual. He didn't get plastered drunk constantly after settling down with Zenith. And he most certainly didn't just "take a break." He looks like he got wasted pretty quickly and has been for some time to end up like he is now.

Rewatch the opening to Eps 11. I went back to validate I actually knew. And it was worse than I had remembered.

Paul posts the message in their own country. He admits he doesn't know where Rudy was sent to. He says he's going to where he is now (Zenith's home continent). He tells Rudy to search the Northern Part of the Central Continent...which is the opposite side of the sea from where Rudy and Eris were sent and where they all came from.

So Paul made an awful lot of assumptions, all of them completely wrong, and is angry at Rudy for failing to find a message he hadn't even gotten to at home, nor would he for another half a year or more at the pace they're going. Obviously, Paul then had the message re-posted elsewhere on the Demon Continent much more recently (presumably by Roxy, boss dwarf, and slut-elf).

Not Rudy's fault they spent the rainy season in the kemonomimi village.

Paul went East. Rudy was sent as far East as possible. And Paul expected him to search North of the Westernmost area. Paul's plan from the moment of the disaster is to park his ass where he is now, because that's the instructions he wrote to have all correspondence go to a year and a half ago.

If anything, we're being kind to Paul.

[shinta|hikari]

Paul has always been a misguided, assuming, cheating asshat. He was never a good father.

[DarthEnderX]

Meh, you guys lack some empathy.No I don't.

I have a ton of empathy...for Rudy being run down by his garbage father. My empathy is for the actual victim of this interaction.


Taking a break and drinking out of desperation is not a cardinal sin.It's quite the assumption that Rudy just happened to catch him on an off day. The way he's being portrayed is as someone that's been that way for awhile.

[shinta|hikari]

Paul wasn't on an off day. He is a raging alcoholic. I mean, look at his face.

He doesn't even know if his family is dead yet. He shouldn't fall to despair just yet, but he did.

[Kraco]

It's quite the assumption that Rudy just happened to catch him on an off day. The way he's being portrayed is as someone that's been that way for awhile.

Yeah, it was not an off day since Paul's team was busy rescuing the teleportation victim boy from their home village. Paul was drunk at work, in other words. No doubt the others didn't take Paul with them when they snatched the boy because Paul would have just made it harder, being intoxicated. However, the plan clearly was to rely on Paul should something go wrong, like it did when Rudeus suddenly appeared.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 17

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Nice episode.

Turns out Paul was quite constructive about things until he lost hope, then took it on Rudy.

And despite this being a Paul/Rudy centric episode, we still got to see that Eris is getting stronger by the day as well.

I don't recognise the marking on Geese's backpack. Geese does have painted black nails though, and the only other person I remember with this is the Demon God. Could just be a demon continent thing.

[MFauli]

Hope y'all feel bad rn.

Paul is a good guy. Sometimes empathy helps.

[Ryllharu]

Geese is apparently the most humanoid looking demon aside from the Empress herself (even if she's SD style) and Roxy's race. Really liked him dropping a little perspective onto Paul about how much worse the Demon Continent is, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Paul has never been there and doesn't know. I just assumed because the Dwarf and Roxy were so effortlessly fitting in at the port city that Paul's party had also been there at least once.

It's still a little put off by Tits' bikini armor. I assume it is like an in-joke, but it's really so out of place in this series, even moreso than the Demon Empress.

Honestly, I was hoping that Eris would fight Paul and completely kick his ass before there was any kind of reconciliation. I'll take the consolation in Rujierd had to punch her in the face and knock her out to prevent that from happening though.

Norn being the only one remotely interested in the figurine...hah.

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No, I don't feel bad at all. Rudy was still the one to break the stalemate, prodded on by the bartender, who reminded Rudy of his life in Japan. That finally set off Rudy's urge to change again, getting him out of the funk.

Geese was the one to set Paul straight, though I do wish he had elaborated more. Maybe bringing up the point that Paul also would have died on that continent were they swapped. Paul was still completely lost until Rudy demanded a redo.

[Buffalobiian]

Actually, I'm now reminded that Paul fucked up years ago as well - when he lashed out at Rudy for stoning the bully and making him bleed (when Rudy was only using water spells).

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Hope y'all feel bad rn.

Paul is a good guy. Sometimes empathy helps.

Sympathy for his situation and drinking? Yes.
Lashing out at Rudy? Not really. That's on him. I can see why he ended up doing it, but he's still wrong.


Geese is apparently the most humanoid looking demon aside from the Empress herself (even if she's SD style) and Roxy's race.

Are you basing this on his nails, the fact that he was born there, or some other characteristic?


It's still a little put off by Tits' bikini armor. I assume it is like an in-joke, but it's really so out of place in this series, even moreso than the Demon Empress.

Supposedly those panties were her's, but she doesn't even wear them :S

[Ryllharu]

Are you basing this on his nails, the fact that he was born there, or some other characteristic?

Supposedly those panties were her's, but she doesn't even wear them :S
Because he's pretty obviously a 'Monkey King from Saiyuki' dude, when the others are bug people, obvious demons with horns, horse people, bird people, bug people, literally Machoke...

I didn't even realize the two of them were sisters until their super similar names made me recognize their matching hairpins. But if Tits never wears normal clothes...why does she have normal looking panties?!

[Kraco]

I don't have much sympathy for Paul because he had become a drunkard. I doubt he would have treated Rudeus like he did if he hadn't fallen so low. Maybe there would have still been some argument between them, but with a clear mind, Paul would have, nevertheless, recognised more things and what's more important. More importantly, he would have actually been able to have a sensible conversation with Rudy. Paul, as well, had suffered his share after the incident and had been forced to take care of Norn pretty much on his own. He shouldn't have been anymore the same man he was back when Rudeus was still living with them and when he jumped to conclusions. However, it's all in vain when he's been poisoning his brain with booze for months. It would be a different thing if he only got wasted once a month to have a break.

[Ryllharu]

His progression through alcoholism was well portrayed silently in the OP.

Drinking first to cope and socialize, then more and more, then starting to hide it when Norn was getting embarrassed in public with him. Then back to not caring at all, as when Rudy showed up.

[DarthEnderX]

Hope y'all feel bad rn.Not even a little?

The whole point was that everything he did in that interaction was wrong, and he was a piece of shit for doing it. And that was exactly right, to the point where the only way to fix it was for them to go back and pretend it never happened and do it over.

Rudy had to basically go "Hey, garbageface. This is not how a non-deadbeat dad acts. Here's your script, now let's run it back and do that again."


...why does she have normal looking panties?!More importantly, why does she have MODERN looking panties, when she lives in a medieval fantasy world?

[Ryllharu]

More importantly, why does she have MODERN looking panties, when she lives in a medieval fantasy world?
If you jump back to the end of episode 2, where Lilia finds Rudy's "treasure" of Roxy's stolen panties, they're always anachronistic and modern.

Most fantasy anime does this. They'd all be fetish nopan appeal if they were remotely historically accurate. How are these type of series supposed to hit all the related appeals if they don't break worldbuilding continuity?

[Kraco]

The vast majority of isekai is very generous when designing the supposedly Middle Ages European society. Shoujo/josei isekai is the epitome of making it highly developed, more like up to the 19th century Europe. Of course the wisest authors never speak a word about it supposedly being medieval or anything. This is all quite understandable since the few series that have gone the more realistic route are quite brutish and forlorn stories. Medieval Europe wasn't such a nice place, unless you lived in the few old city states in the south. Even then it would have been worse than almost all of the isekai, and I'm not talking about the lack of panties.

[shinta|hikari]

Magic explains it all!

[KrayZ33]

I don't know if it's easy to come up with these design. But I was totally in love with the place they said their goodbyes to each other.

https://i.imgur.com/0ZCWpDu.png

Considering that they could've done this just about everywhere, I kinda love that they bothered to draw/animate a place like this.

It's really fun to actually look a bit at the background throughout the whole show like that.

For example, the spot where they went their ways is also the spot were Paul became bitter after saving others but not finding his own family (during the flashbacks, right before Norn gives Paul her flower-circlet). Probably doesn't mean anything other than the fact that it's a place where they start and end their "missions" but it's actually fun that you can see the same place from a different perspective and know "oh... that's the same spot".

[neflight86]

Good catch. I'm glad they could reconcile and continue on the journey without emotional baggage weighing them down more so than the mission itself. It is funny that Eris either got punched, or 'ran into' Rujierd's hand when she was rampaging off screen.

[shinta|hikari]

It's hilarious how Mfauli is like, "See, Paul isn't to blame for blaming Rudy!"

And everyone else is like, "FUCK PAUL."

Oh I haven't said it.

FUCK PAUL.

[Kraco]

It's hilarious how Mfauli is like, "See, Paul isn't to blame for blaming Rudy!"

And everyone else is like, "FUCK PAUL."

Oh I haven't said it.

FUCK PAUL.

He's a lousy man, but of course he could still be a whole lot worse. Despite becoming a drunkard, he apparently still took care of Norn decently enough, although a part of it was gathering a team with members who could do it for him. Still, it was thanks to him because it's not like strangers would look after his daughter with no impetus. He also did dedicate all of his time to finding any victims of the incident, not stopping even when he became a waste of skin drunkard. It's a pity Rudeus needed to be the adult in their meeting, but at least Paul could throw away the booze and get back on track, so he's not hopeless.

[MFauli]

It's hilarious how Mfauli is like, "See, Paul isn't to blame for blaming Rudy!"

And everyone else is like, "FUCK PAUL."

Oh I haven't said it.

FUCK PAUL.

Shrugs

I'm used to uphill battles, but as long as I know I'm right, it's ok ;i

You guys called Makoto from School Days the worst character, too, despite Sekai being the real villain of that anime ;p

But seriously, of course, Paul's reaction was bad. But it was bad for kinda good reasons.

[shinta|hikari]

I'm used to uphill battles, but as long as I know I'm right, it's ok ;i

Maybe consider that you are used to uphill battles because you aren't right?

[Kraco]

Shrugs

I'm used to uphill battles, but as long as I know I'm right, it's ok ;i

You guys called Makoto from School Days the worst character, too, despite Sekai being the real villain of that anime ;p

But seriously, of course, Paul's reaction was bad. But it was bad for kinda good reasons.

It was bad for understandable reasons, not good reasons. He started drinking because he couldn't handle not finding his family, yet that same drinking almost made him lose the first lost family member he finally met. That's not kinda good or any other sort of good. It was bad for purely bad reasons.

[Ryllharu]

Episode 18
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Well...that is interesting. Roxy is psychically deaf. It makes more sense now that her parents are basically the only other vocal residents in the entire village. Sad and a bit wistful. I'm also glad horseman guilted Roxy into at least visiting. Her parents do treasure her, even if she feels so very alone in that village.

The sound design and VAs absolutely nailed the vomiting noises. Top tier sea sickness variety sounds.

[Kraco]

It's quite understandable Roxy's childhood was tough and she didn't want to return to the village. The demon continent is a tough place in general, so it could even worse than being deaf in a human village, possibly. Although maybe she wasn't actively bullied, she just felt totally separated from everyone else. Her people do appear less ruthless than humans, so that could be a positive difference in how handicapped are treated. Horsehead indeed did a good thing in talking her to visit her home. Not to mention that's where she learned Rudeus is more than simply just alive.

[KrayZ33]

The visualization and sound effects of the "broken telepathy" was very well done.
Quite interesting to "hear" it from that kind of perspective.

Also this:

2 years ago:
https://i.imgur.com/tF5tHMF.png
now:
https://i.imgur.com/NGKobuR.png

And I'm not sure if I missed something or if that is just LN material but when Rudeus visited, he got greyish-shit in a bowl
Now Roxy got a nice broth it seems.
I wonder if Rudy implemented some agriculture techniques or something, but I don't think he was there for more than 1-2 days?

[MFauli]

Question to those who read the LN/manga/whatever: does Rudy have actual sex at some point in the story? Simple no/yes answer pls. Send answer per pm pls. Thx

[MFauli]

Thx for the answers!

[DarthEnderX]

So, what was with Roxy's weird fidget animation when horse guy mentioned Dead End?