Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou

[MFauli]

Hajime Nagumo and his high school class are suddenly summoned to a fantastical land as heroes. But while most of his classmates have powerful stats and abilities, Hajime does not. Underappreciated and unprepared, he tumbles into the depths of a monster-infested dungeon where voracity and sacrifice are his only options. To thrive in this savage world, he’ll have no choice but to welcome the abyss.

Episode 1:
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First, I'm disappointed that the 'whole class is transported to isekai' aspect is glimpsed over without any meaningful impact. Maybe we'll see flashbacks, but meh. I was looking forward to an entire classing finding themselves in an isekai and trying to adapt oh well.

Instead we get a survival introduction. It was kinda cool, especially the monster design, BUT: Nagumo already gives me Tate no Yuusha-vibes, as in he's got an op cheat-ability ( gaining abilities by eating monsters). Is it really that uncool these days to become a hero by hard work and dedication? Always these insta-upgrades, meh.

There's a lot of potential though. I hope there will be consequences in the story and people actually die. Also, I'm not quite sure: Is Nagumo getting back to the surface the larger plot or will he be back next episode?

[Ryllharu]

I've heard the novel is okay, if not good.

This was goddamn awful. I couldn't even get through half the episode. I assumed they were trying to rush through some stuff, but this was one of the worst uses of in medias res that I've ever seen. It only served to make less interested.

The animation was bad, the CG looked worse than the later seasons of Overlord, the voice acting is 100% phoned in, and nothing in this episode was original.

[Munsu]

As I feared, they rushed through the whole first novel pretty much. There was no build-up to how he ended there, there's no weight to anyone's action or his transformation. I don't blame them, since other than the setup, his struggle to live through the maze after he falls takes just about the whole novel which is hard to adapt, but how he slowly transforms his mentality it's one of the charms. And what led to that transformation is even more important.

And as you mentioned MFauli becoming a hero by hard work, since that's precisely what that character was all about and the courage he shows while being the weakest, until he was forced to adapt.

I don't know, I'm not sure if I'm going to care enough to give this series a try, guess I'll wait to see how people are reacting after a few episodes.

I'll just say that I did a quick scan through the first episode as I just wanted to get a quick impression from it, I really hope I proved wrong.

[Kraco]

I had better memories from the manga's beginning than what this first anime ep presented. Although those are just memories, and I can't say anymore how different it exactly was.

[David75]

I'm guessing his op power is luck being a transmuter only and having that purifying water and maybe absorbing monsters in a very progressive power curve so that he doesn't die immediately ?
Art is quite awful too and MC design before and after powerup is awful too.
Next we get to see MC pwning everyone ?

[KrayZ33]

Obvious "lets jump on the isekai hype-train"-show without any artistical touch or twist in any form whatsoever.

Not as bad as the other one with that "devil" character though.

[Munsu]

Looks like this series had some production drama with the author being disappointed how things were going, still didn't help matters:


https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-07-10/arifureta-author-may-have-prompted-anime-staff-change/.148858

[Kraco]

I wonder if it went from bad to worse or from the worst to worse. Because based on the first ep, the year's delay did nothing to help the case in a reasonable fashion.

[MFauli]

Episode 2:

You know, if this anime told the story in a normal, chronological order, it could have been half-decent.

The constant flashbacks are super irritating.

[Munsu]

Episode 2:

You know, if this anime told the story in a normal, chronological order, it could have been half-decent.

The constant flashbacks are super irritating.

I guess they wanted to get to the payoff of what the series is about right away, the first volume takes a while for them to get to the point where he fails, and then he spends pretty much the rest of the novel in power-up mode by himself. So I can see how it was going to be difficult to get viewers into the story... don't know how long the series will be.

But all told, I thought it was going to be difficult to get new audience into the premise of the show in the first episode, but even so, it seems like they screwed up the whole narrative.

The first volume is also quite dark and gritty, not sure if they're portraying that well here.

[MFauli]

Episode 5:

Anime went full-pedo :/

[shinta|hikari]

Why do people keep using that term wrong?

[MFauli]

Why do people keep using that term wrong?

She looks pre-pubescent, he looks much older, not to forget the age of those who watch this show. . Im using the term right.

Look, Im just annoyed by this unneccesary shit. Ever since the gross nude scene in Abyss, it feels like nude loli scenes have been growing in number. This season alone we have Mao retry and UchiMusume that did this shit, too.

No anime gets better from showing nude lolis.

[shinta|hikari]

He also has to be mainly or exclusively attracted to prepubescents, assuming she really looks prepubescent, which is arguably possible from the perspective of non-Asians. However, she has boobs, as tiny as they are, which is a secondary sexual characteristic that develops during puberty. This seems to be a more reliable way of determining her age/appearance than just personal opinion.

NSFW:






















https://www.sankakucomplex.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ArifuretaShokugyoudeSekaiSaikyou-Episode5-4.jpg

Just use the term lolicon because that's usually used as a joke in the Japanese otaku community, although still badly perceived by the Japanese general public. Pedo has very different connotations and consequences in the west.

[MFauli]

Ffs, shinta, 12 yo girls have boobs like her. None. Because has none. Also no feminine curves, no ass, no hips, no nothing. Shes full-pedo material. Kinda shocked youre defending this shit.

[shinta|hikari]

I'm not defending the presence of the material. I'm pointing out the misuse of the word. 12 year-olds with boobs are not prepubescent. The very existence of boobs is a sign of puberty. 2D lolicon stuff is also not pedophilia.

Hebephilia addresses attraction to pubescents, which would be a bit more accurate, but still off because it requires primary or exclusive attraction to that group.

Go ahead and bash the loli fanservice in this show (which I don't even watch) or any other show. Just call it what it is and not what it isn't.

[KrayZ33]

You are splitting hairs.

a body of a 8 year old or 12 year old. Who cares, they are children/minors.

On top of that, what do you expect. After a little research - even the scientific categorization is not clean on this. Why would a normal dude even bother then for something that is unverisally categorized by media and common folk as pedophilia

[shinta|hikari]

Like I said, I don't care if you dislike the presence of fanservice of characters depicted as minors in anime. I'm just pointing out the misuse of the word, especially because media and common folk get it wrong. Call me pedantic, but I like to point out mistakes, as you probably already know.

[MFauli]

Itd be hebephilia if you find post-timeskip Hinata hot. Actual boobs, curves everywhere, buuut shes 15 yo.

The girl in arifurete is a pre-pubescent child. You keep mentioning her boobs - where are they? Ffs, at best something is "budding" there, but overall she looks like a pre-pubescent child. Ans i criticize the growing number of thus shit. An anime can have loli, no problem. But dont fucking put her in a sexual context, and definitely dont show her naked :\

[shinta|hikari]

I totally agree with you that fanservice in general sucks and just ruins immersion, don't get me wrong. Also, I don't watch this show so I don't have a stake in it. Just wanted to clarify that so you understand there is no hidden agenda in my words. I literally mean what I wrote.

All I am saying is, from the very start, "loli fanservice is not pedophilia." The term pedophilia as understood by many people is completely wrong. 2D lolicon fanservice or even hentai is not pedophilia, even if the character is indeed pubescent.

So let's say you are correct and that character is indeed pubescent, that is still NOT pedophilia because 1) the MC is not primarily or exclusively attracted to prepubscents, and 2) this is not real but anime. You can argue that you meant the MC as a character went full pedo, in which case I will give up point 2 but point 1 still stands.

I'm arguing for accuracy, nothing else.

[KrayZ33]

2D lolicon fanservice or even hentai is not pedophilia, even if the character is indeed pubescent.

Explain.

It doesn't matter whether the material is fiction or not. That's only relevant for legal causes, not for the definition of the term itself.

[shinta|hikari]

Pedophilia is exclusive to real people and is a primary or exclusive attraction to prepubescents. People who like little kids sometimes but prefer mature women are NOT pedophiles (strange, I know, but that's what it is).

2D lolicon fanservice is:
1) Fictional
2) Not referring to a psychiatric disorder
3) People who do like it are not necessarily primarily or exclusively into it
4) I repeat, Fictional

Liking lolis in anime is also not equal to being attracted children in real life. Just like how liking action movies doesn't mean you want to seriously or will kill people. Same goes for video games.

And to add, a lot of people seem to associate the term pedophile as someone who does sexual acts with children, but that is completely inaccurate. Pedophilia is a disorder, not an action or a crime. If you do sexual things to a child, that's rape, child abuse, statutory rape, etc.

EDIT:
Did you seriously just say it doesn't matter if it's fiction or not? That's a very important distinction.

[KrayZ33]

But Pedophiles (you know, the people who like real world naked kids) also like 2D animated pictures and fictional stories about them.

Are they not pedophiles, because 51% of their material is 2D and texts?

When I'm attracted to women, but 99% of my porn is made with Animu-women, I'm still heterophile.
How is my "preference" of adult or 3d-semi realistic photoshopped pictures any different.
I'm still looking for the same criteria as I am looking for them in Real Life.

On top of that DSM-5 tells me pedophiles don't have to be "primaly" focused on prepubescents to be categorized as such

[shinta|hikari]

You already stated that the person is a pedophile, meaning he/she already satisfies the criteria. This person liking 2D porn is irrelevant at that point.

To clarify, a lot of people like lolicon fanservice, which is exactly why it became "fanservice," but not all of them are pedophiles. A person can have lots of loli porn but have totally no interest in real children, and an actual pedophile can also have no interest in 2D porn of children. Then you also have people who are pedophiles and also like 2D lolicon. You shouldn't just lump people together like that.

To reiterate, pedophilia is exclusively an attraction to real people, not fictional ones.

[MFauli]

EDIT:
Did you seriously just say it doesn't matter if it's fiction or not? That's a very important distinction.

In this context it doesnt matter.

Disclaimer: Im against censorship and I think everything should be legal when its fictional.

When we fap to hentai, real or fictiinal doesnt matter. So dont act outraged here. Whether fictional or not, shes shown in stark pedophilic imagery. If the anime just wanted to show their relationahip, it could do so without showing us her naked body. At least use subtle camera angles. The way it us, kt is full-on peso material and lets call it what it is.

Now, thats oK. I think pedophiles should have fictional stuff, because if you deny them even fiction, its no surprise many eventually go rape real children. But: I dont have to like such material, do i. And since ita gotten worse recently, i calles that out.

[KrayZ33]

You already stated that the person is a pedophile, meaning he/she already satisfies the criteria. This person liking 2D porn is irrelevant at that point.


shouldn't that person be categorized 2d-lophile then (I'm sure there is a term of that too).
After all, his/her primary focus is on 2D pictures of young children.

[shinta|hikari]

@Mfauli - Act outraged..?

I don't understand how you can get that from what I wrote. I merely said the distinction between reality and fiction is important.

This is doubly so because the very definition of pedophilia is a disorder about being attracted to real people. It says nothing about fictional characters or anything of the like. If it did, then I would totally agree with you.

Like I said, I don't have a stake in this other than being accurate to what the definition is.

If you don't agree with the definition of the term, then complain to the ones who wrote it.

@Krayz - EDIT: I misread what you quoted from my text.

That person is a pedophile because that was your precondition in the scenario. People who like 2D young girls is usually called a lolicon in Japan, but some use the word lolicon for actual pedophiles, so the term is a bit vague.

[KrayZ33]

I still don't see how pedophilia excludes 2D pictures.
If I'm looking for the features of children, whether they are fictional or not, then I'm looking for exactly that - they are the same features.

I mean, that's why surreal pictures of women work and photoshop is a thing and all that.

Nymphophilia/Hebephilia is being a Lolicon (just more specified) - that doesn't exclude 2D pictures...Why should pedophilia do that, which is the same thing for a different age-range.

I mean, we are talking about aesthetics here. I don't have to be able to touch them to appreciate them if I like them.

Just like "big eyes" and "small and round heads" trigger instincts in us.

[shinta|hikari]

That's the thing, humans are complex like that. They can be totally into 2D but not 3D and vice versa. My only point is pedophilia is exclusively an attraction to real people. It would be incorrect to automatically assume that all people who like 2D lolicon fanservice also are attracted to real prepubescents or minors.

Remember, some people are even attracted to inanimate objects and not real people. And if such a condition causes them harm, then it is a disorder, which pedophilia inherently is. My point being humans are weirder than you can imagine.

EDIT:
"Nymphophilia/Hebephilia is being a Lolicon" - False. Or depends on what you think lolicon means.

Both disorders, just like pedophilia, are all exclusive to real people.

Lolicon as a term in Japan, has been used for both actual people and fictional attraction, although it is much more common in the latter usage.

So yes, those disorders can be interpreted as being a lolicon, but that has nothing to do with my point.

EDIT2: After some research, hebephilia is apparently not included in DSM 5 and is still up for debate whether it is a disorder or not. That said, it is still exclusive to real people by definition.

[MFauli]

Im pretty sure the official definition of pedophilia does not include the word "real"

[shinta|hikari]

Well, if you go that route, I'm pretty sure most government constitutions also didn't include the word real. It's... kinda assumed.

[KrayZ33]

Both disorders, just like pedophilia, are all exclusive to real people.

But where does it say so?

It describes your favorite sexual preference, but preferences include phantasy.
It makes no sense to exclude pictures of naked young children just because it's fictional.

pedophiles don't go and mess around with children either, so they are living out their sexual desire in a fictional way.

[shinta|hikari]

Fantasizing is different from 2D fiction. You can fantasize about real people and you can also fantasize about 2D characters. You shouldn't conflate fantasizing and fictional characters because they are different.

I am not excluding anything. It is just not a criteria for pedophilia.

If you read the definitions and articles about DSM-5 pedophilia, you would know they weren't referring to fictional characters. If it did, they would write it down explicitly because that definition is used to diagnose and treat people, and can also be used in legal settings like trials.

This is an easy to read article:
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/explaining-pedophilia#1

It's pretty clear fictional children are not the ones being talked about here.

To reiterate, not all people who like 2D lolicon fanservice are attracted to children in real life, much less to an extent that they act on it or are distressed by it. (acting on it or being distressed by it being actual criteria to qualify for the disorder).

[KrayZ33]

It's pretty clear fictional children are not the ones being talked about here.

Is it!??!?!?!?!

Either we are misunderstanding each other or I don't know anymore

I really don't know what you are trying to say here.

You are basically saying that pedophiles can't get errect from seeing 2D pictures of children.
When most of the world has no trouble seeing sexualized 2D content as such and get errections from fictional tits and sex scenes.
Whether we talk about comics, anime or computer created content.


Can anime be sexist, after all - sexes are a thing for "real people". The same connection I make when I see the glorified male MCs and oversexualizied female characters in anime can pedophiles make when they see 2D-child pornography.

I refuse to believe a pedophile's brain is the exception until I see a clear definition of it saying that mentions "fictional and 2D imagery of children doesn't trigger this phenomenon or do nothing to satisfy the sexual urges".
The reason being that 2D imagery is also on the radar and discussed about and in some cases even illegal to distribute.


In fact, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmo-knVzuU0
That guy basically said that he uses 2D images and hentais with children to satisfy his fantasy.

[shinta|hikari]

I have a few questions as well for clarification:

Do you mean that liking 2D lolicon fanservice even if you are not attracted to real children at all should be enough to be classified as a pedophile?

Or do you mean that people who like 2D lolicon fanservice automatically means they are also attracted to real children?

I'm just trying to understand why you are adamant about including fictional characters as a way to diagnose this disorder when it wasn't explicitly stated in the definition.



You are basically saying that pedophiles can't get errect from seeing 2D pictures of children.

I did NOT say this. I said some pedophiles can't get aroused by 2D, some do. Some who are aroused by 2D can't get aroused by real people, some do. Humans are complex creatures.

It serves no one to generalize everything about a person just because of one characteristic.

Pedophilia is a complex disorder that has many criteria required to be met. You don't even need to zero-in on the fictional vs real aspect to establish that liking 2D lolicon fanservice is NOT a criteria for pedophilia. The condition of acting on it or being distressed by it also have to be met, which I doubt is being met in most cases of fanservice lovers.

[MFauli]

Well, if you go that route, I'm pretty sure most government constitutions also didn't include the word real. It's... kinda assumed.

We still call it war, killing and stuff when we okay call of duty.

Its super weird how you claim that fictional content cant be abstracized by human beings. When i fap to an anime girl, i dont imagine in my head "woah, this hot anime girl". In my mind, shes a girl. Fullstop.

[shinta|hikari]

That's not what I said.

I said the definition did not explicitly include fictional characters as a way to diagnose pedophilia disorder, and I believe it would explicitly include that if it were actually part of the criteria because of the nature of the document.

"When i fap to an anime girl, i dont imagine in my head "woah, this hot anime girl". In my mind, shes a girl. Fullstop."

This is all well and good, but not everyone is like that. Some people have a clear distinction, some don't.

[KrayZ33]

I see.

Then I did indeed misunderstood your point.

What I was going for was not:

"People who like little girls in anime are pedophiles"

but:

"Pedophiles can use this material to get their kicks"

Either way, I see that content as problematic... or rather uncomfortable. While it doesn't turn you into a pedophile, it's clearly meant to sexualize minors. People who are "wired normally", won't get anything out of it other than a big ass "oh god.. what is this, I hope my brother/girlfriend/mom/father doesn't walk in".

Basically, these scenes and pictures are produced for the socially declared "weirdos" as they are not in the realm of "I need to protect this girl" (i.e. Usagi Drop), but in the realm "I want to protect this girl and be intimate with her".

(I'm not even talking about her being shown being naked btw)

[shinta|hikari]

I totally agree. Pedophiles can totally get their kicks from fanservice, and so do a lot of non-pedophiles. I just don't like using the word pedophile inaccurately because it is is far more complex than what people usually take it for.

Like I said, I have no judgments about said content, just the use of the word.

A more accurate word would be lolicon fanservice (even though in Japan it is sometimes used for real people too) because it definitely doesn't have the baggage the word pedophile does. It is also much more widely used in the anime community.

I also agree that lolicons are definitely "weirdos" in the sense that they have different sexual preferences than the majority. As for whether that's a good or bad thing, it depends on how they act on how they feel. If it harms no one, including themselves, then it is benign and shouldn't be judged. Otherwise, they should be prosecuted accordingly.

[KrayZ33]

In this case "pedo "would've been wrong for reasons explained earlier (age and puberty etc.)

But if it were a child that could be classified as such (again, i.e. Usagi Drop) and portrayed in such a way as it was here. It would've been pedophile fanservice.

From your earlier posts, it sounded to me like you meant to say such a thing couldn't exist, because pedophiles like "real children"

[shinta|hikari]

I think lolicon encompasses that age as well, so it should be sufficient to address that kind of fanservice too without involving pedophilia. There are definitely strange stuff out there that are classified as lolicon despite having blatantly prepubescent characters.

[KrayZ33]

Lolicon seems to adress the 6-16 range.

It's not as specified as pedophilia or - what was the other word again - hebephilia.
At least that's what I got out of my research for this topic.

The best topic we could have talked about with this anime in mind btw. it's really bad - I want to know what happens when he gets back to the surface though. And then I'll probably drop it :D.

I'm looking for a "F you, F you, F you - YOU ARE COOL - F you, F you"-scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af7Jctuqhcg

[shinta|hikari]

I've read the first novel and it wasn't so bad. Went to shit in 2nd novel though.

[DarthEnderX]

Watched all of this tonight.

Super generic. Boring OP protagonist.

Lolicon aside, I was actually surprised to see a protag just straight up go for it. I'm so goddamn used to action protags never doing anything ever in the romance department.

But yeah, she's a loli, and I can honestly say the only thing I'm looking forward to in this series is seeing his old classmates react to his new waifu.


It's not as specified as pedophilia or - what was the other word again - hebephilia.
At least that's what I got out of my research for this topic.This reminded me of an old gif I saw years ago that was like "The only people that know the difference between pedophilia and hebephilia are pedophiles and hebephiles."

[MFauli]

Lolicon seems to adress the 6-16 range.



No, this is dumb. Loli doesn't have an age range. Loli, in context of anime, pertains to a certain body type/appearance. The 1000 yo dragon-loli is a loli, too, despite being 1000 years old.

And if we're talking about the age of the apparent body, loli goes up to ca. 12 yo, basically what this vampire loli looks like. If you go up in age, you usually have girls with bigger boobs, pronounced waiste lines and thick thighs, not loli at all.

Shinta, I just want to add (now that I can type on a keyboard instead of my smartphone ....) that I'm a super strong opponent of censorship. I don't want to ban any content. I even publically defend innocent aka non-offending pedophiles on Twitter, because I hate the irrational, unfair discriminaton and condemnation these people receive in the year 2019, where society claims to be progressive blabla. BUT: I just hate how widespread these (sexualized) loli depictions have become. And I feel uncomfortable when a girl with a pre-pubescent body (and EVERY non-weeb that I could show that scene would call it that) is shown naked AND making sexual avances. I remember when anime had loli that were infatuated with the hero, but that's it. No nude scenes, no actual sex.

On top of that, I just find it trashy and shallow. If you have a pedo-relationship in a show, do it in a serious way. Show why they love each other, show their thoughts, and DONT show nude scenes. Arifurete did it in the worst way. Hero stumbles over loli, loli instantly loves hero, now nude scenes. Sigh.

Conclusion:
Lolis in anime are okay. Just not with sexualized nude scenes and not in such number. This is not a case of "stop caring what other people think", no, it's me myself feeling uncomfortable. And your attempt to rid the pedo-label here was really weird. Fictional vs Real doesnt matter here. If the Pocco-anime had sexualized Pocco, it'd have been pedophile content, too. Fictional content still evokes real feelings. So let's call it what it is - and then we can talk about issues/benefits.

[KrayZ33]

No, this is dumb. Loli doesn't have an age range. Loli, in context of anime, pertains to a certain body type/appearance. The 1000 yo dragon-loli is a loli, too, despite being 1000 years old.

The body type it's going for is that of a 6-16 year old - prepubescent to teenager - anywhere in between.

[MFauli]

The body type it's going for is that of a 6-16 year old - prepubescent to teenager - anywhere in between.

The body of a typical 14-16 yo has nothing to do with "loli".

[KrayZ33]

You are in the wrong.
Why don't you look it up yourself.

Lolicons look for women who are to some degree a women, but at the same time, also look like a child - or very young.

I have no idea in what enviroment you live, but not all 16 year old are huge breasted ass-monsters.

[shinta|hikari]

https://forums.gotwoot.org/image.php?u=1227&type=sigpic&dateline=1468957140
The first fictional loli that made me fall for her

I mean, in Mfauli's sig, he labeled Rem as a loli, and she is quite popular for her boobs. Also she is 17 when the show started.

I just realized that his sig implies that he has already fallen for a real-life loli because he went out of his way to say fictional. But then again, maybe he was making a distinction between real and fictional people because they are different... oh wait...

@Mfauli - I've repeated it many times, so this will be the last. I am not making any judgment about the content. I only wanted to clarify that the word pedophilia is very misunderstood and loaded, and it is better to use less loaded and more accurate words for mostly benign things. Using the term mistakenly hurts actual innocent pedophiles (yes they exist), people who just like fanservice but are not pedophiles at all, and the general public who are still misinformed about the actual definition of pedophilia, a disorder that has specific criteria (not a label for child molesters). I generally agree with your stance on fanservice. I never mentioned censorship.

Surprising to some, most people who do molest children aren't diagnosed as pedophiles. They do it because their target is very vulnerable and they can easily get away with it and/or they are drunk/drugged. A lot of it also goes unreported because of shame, fear of retaliation, disbelief, and the fact that the molester is or related to the guardian of the child. This is especially true in developing countries and rural/isolated areas.

[MFauli]

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I just realized that his sig implies that he has already fallen for a real-life loli because he went out of his way to say fictional. But then again, maybe he was making a distinction between real and fictional people because they are different... oh wait...

At the time I made that sig I knew a cute girl irl that I really liked and chattet with via LINE every day. She's my age, but she's also about 150cm in size. Since she knew about me posting on Gotwoot, I made that sig to tease her :D Unfortunately, she broke off contact because I would often have a different opinion about some anime which made her furious. Kinda sad, because I liked her nonetheless. Still kinda do. Oh well.

Edit: Rem isn't a loli, she's an oppai loli. Those are VERY different again. Fapping to oppai loli means you're still attracted to womanly features. Fapping to loli means you're into child-like features.

[Buffalobiian]

I came to see why this thread has 50 posts or something (I don't watch this show). I'm surprised, but also not that surprised.

Much of the earlier debate could have been solved with a Venn diagram but you guys worked it out anyway.

As for the DSM criteria, I'll list it here for convenience.



DSM Version
DSM IV - TR
DSM Criteria

A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).

B. The person has acted on these urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.

C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.

Note: Do not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old.

Basically:

1) You like kids. AND
2) You've approached a kid, or you like kids to the point where you can't function in society due to this. AND
3) You weren't recently a kid.

"Acted on these urges" is not defined, but I understand that to mean "sexually harassing someone". Jacking off to them in private... not so much, unless it causes you distress and shit.

Note that for pretty much all mental health disorders, it's only a disorder if it causes issues with the person functioning in society. Such as either raping kids, or feeling so distressed about his urges that it affects their life.


A farmer in the sticks with a fear of heights who doesn't actually live somewhere that lets him manifest the fear into dysfunction doesn't have acrophobia.

A medieval prince who taps 13yos doesn't have paedophilia because DSM 5 wasn't out back then, but also because it's socially acceptable and part of society then.

As for people who dig 2D shota and loli but otherwise behave themselves and don't feel particularly distressed in their society (like Japan)? They don't have a mental health disorder. They just have different tastes.

And "loli"? Child-like appearance regardless of age. Boobs or no boobs is debatable but obviously not massive boobs.

[MFauli]

Pedophilia is not defined by societal norms. Its defined by biological fact aka attraction to pre-pubescent kids. So a medieval prince fucking 11 yos was pedophile even back then. There just was no scientific term for it, yet.

[DarthEnderX]

I came to see why this thread has 50 posts or something (I don't watch this show). I'm surprised, but also not that surprised.

Right? I watched this because someone said it's another anime where you eat the monsters and steal their powers(which is kinda my jam. #BlueMageLyfe). Noticed that discussion goes from a couple posts about episode one, then right to the most recent episode for multiple pages.

Immediately thought "Oh man, this is gonna be a 50 post argument about the loli isn't it."

[shinta|hikari]

Certainly is a more educational topic than the show itself, as Krayz put it.

[Shadow Skill]

I like this anime. Not seeing the so-called pedo stuff people are focusing on. Maybe they see something because they have those desires and are projecting.

She is a thousand year old Vampire though.

[DarthEnderX]

She is a thousand year old Vampire though.Jesus Christ, could you be more of a cliche?

[Shadow Skill]

Jesus Christ, could you be more of a cliche?

You don't like her being a 1000 year old Vampire? Or you don't want her being 20x older than you?

[DarthEnderX]

I'm saying that the "that 10 year old girl is really a 1000 year old vampire" is the ACTUAL cliche excuse for anime pedos. Like EXACTLY.

Which almost makes it seem intentional on the part of the author. Which would be kinda funny if that's the case.

But then you seem to be non-ironically using it as an excuse, which makes me think you have a severe self-awareness deficit.

[MFauli]

Recap? Lol ...

[MFauli]

Episode 6:

Ok, so I take it all Japanese are pedophiles, huh?

Super hot bunny girl in front of him. No reaction. Then she talks about how beautiful she is and he even replies "dont say that when Yue is much better than you!"


Just a giant. WHAT THE FUCK :/

[DarthEnderX]

Well see, even though he has his loli wife, he still has to start building a harem. Because this show is trash.


And he's not even gonna check in with his old classmates?! Why were they even IN this show?!

[MFauli]

And he's not even gonna check in with his old classmates?! Why were they even IN this show?!

Only reason Im still watching :/
Show me how he returns. Everyone shocked. He gives them the cold shoulder. People getting upset. Finding out how strong he is.

Gimme

[KrayZ33]

Well see, even though he has his loli wife, he still has to start building a harem. Because this show is trash.


And he's not even gonna check in with his old classmates?! Why were they even IN this show?!

I don't get it either... that's the only reason why I kept track. That whole episode was so fillerish, it had absolutely no place in this story so far.

[David75]

Did not watch last ep, but in short they butcher the beggining by throwing most if not all key information about MC's development, but they still have time for filler eps ?

[DarthEnderX]

Is it really filler? Seemed like the intro of a new main party member.

[KrayZ33]

What I meant to say is that the episode was so out of touch from the rest of the show so far, like a filler episode.

[DarthEnderX]

To be fair, the show has been a whole lotta nothin so far. So anything is gonna feel out of touch with it.

[MFauli]

Episode 7:

What ... Was ... That ... Episode?!

Im speechless.

Manga fans always claim Theres sooo many good manga ... And THIS gets an anime adaptation? :/

[shinta|hikari]

This was from a light novel. I'm not saying anything about its quality or light novel quality. Just fact checking.

[DarthEnderX]

This is definitely the worst show I've seen in awhile.

Though, I normally only watch shows with good word of mouth.

[MFauli]

This is definitely the worst show I've seen in awhile.

Though, I normally only watch shows with good word of mouth.

I *really* need to stop watching all those isekai shows :/

Next season looks bad, too, though. Some promising sequels, however.

[NeoCybercoin]

I'll just watch it and turn off my brain. First few eps were alright but it's just downhill. What happened to his rage? His desire for vengeance? That's what I wanna see. But no, he has a vampire loli that he wants to bring home and life in peace.

Edit; Next season is looking good to be honest.

[KrayZ33]

Tell me when he goes back to his group. I might watch that episode, and that alone.

[DarthEnderX]

8

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Well, that was half a reunion. That's something I guess.

But I really want to see reactions the former badasses in his class.

[MFauli]

That was so bad :/

And I'm so sick of this 'sensei looks like a teenager' trope *yawn*v

[DarthEnderX]

9

---

Okay, the dragon ass-play got me. I was not expecting that.

[NeoCybercoin]

Yeah, not gonna lie. Did not expect that. But man that was some bag CGI when the dragon fell down due to that attack.

[MFauli]

Haven't watched it yet. Is it a good episode? I think I'm drpping this and keep reading this thread so i can join back when he finally meets his old group.

[DarthEnderX]

Is it a good episode? Oh god no. It was just a scene that made me laugh unexpectedly because of it's sudden absurdity.

[NeoCybercoin]

None of the episodes are...good. First few were nice but afterwards...not so much. But yeah it was as Darth said. The absurdity at the end that made me laugh.

[Kraco]

I didn't remember the dragon being so twisted in the manga. She probably was and I just forgot it because I wanted to.

This series is so bad. The manga isn't anything to write blogs about either, but it's easier to go through because a chapter doesn't take 20 minutes to read. I bet the original novel is just as lousy, like a prime example of why light novels are called light. I'll never understand exactly how the Japanese select the series to animate.

[KrayZ33]

I wonder about that too..
I also wonder how "well" this show/the novels are being percieved - the show is absolute and utter trash.
I'm not exaggerating when I say that this is one of the top 3 WORST shows I've ever seen.
I've seen a lot of trash but this takes the cake. Why did I even bother to watch it... I kept hoping for a "reuinion" and ended up skipping 3/4 of an episode.


The only redeeming point would be the dragon girl... but most likely only because of the VA.

[Kraco]

Episode 11


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It'll be a difficult for Hajime to keep up his edgelord image when there's a squirt running around calling him papa. However, he better gets used to it since it looks like he will soon have a big family.

[DarthEnderX]

This harem just keeps gettin' grosser...

Especially now that head waifu is like "No, I want him to get along with other girls cause that makes him a better person."

[DarthEnderX]

13

---

Well, this was your reunion episode mfauli. It still sucked.

Glad this is over. He doesn't even eat monsters anymore.

[MFauli]

Isn't it great that this is getting a s2?

[NeoCybercoin]

Yeah, absolutely amazing. Not even counting the OVA's it's getting.
Crap like this getting a second season and stuff like No Game No Life doesn't? Sure that got a great prequel movie but damnit I want a second season.

[DarthEnderX]

Isn't it great that this is getting a s2?
Ugh...well, I'm not watching it.

[Kraco]

It feels like this last episode tried to return a bit of the edge Hajime lost along the way.

I haven't read the novels, so I don't know how "good" they are, but it always baffles me a little why many people like the manga a lot and considered it a shining example of edgelord works. In my opinion it's mediocre in that, just like in everything else. This anime wasn't honestly much different, just that the weird first episode and the low budget hurt it in ways the manga can't be hurt in.

I'm happy this is over. As much as I like isekai, this felt like a waste of time, yet for some reason I didn't drop it.

[Shadow Skill]

Sweet! A second season incoming.I can't wait.

I enjoyed this series, it's not a Konsuba or a Rising of the Shield Hero but I enjoyed it.

I found this better than most of the current series airing at the moment.

[DarthEnderX]

I enjoyed this series, it's not a Konsuba or a Rising of the Shield Hero but I enjoyed it.I can't believe I wasted my time on something SUB Shield Hero...

[KrayZ33]

Sweet! A second season incoming.I can't wait.

I enjoyed this series, it's not a Konsuba or a Rising of the Shield Hero but I enjoyed it.

I found this better than most of the current series airing at the moment.

I am angry at you right now

[Shadow Skill]

Lol!

Oh well.

[DarthEnderX]

I can not fucking BELIEVE this POS got a 2nd season!

[DarthEnderX]

A-MEN!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG71eNKMsn0