comp parts

[.EcHo.]

im wondering, since i had came to the end of the world, that the comp im using is a peice of shit
650 mghz
128+128+128= how much ram i have [ too lazy to add]
geforce.
40 gig hd
9 gig hd, lol
50x cd

blegh, i want to know, how much it cost to build a comp ..a decent one, like
2.20 ghz, stick of 512, 80 gigs..geforce 19 flat

or just name the price and specs of your comp

[.EcHo.]

ahhh, nice specs
man, i need new comp, anyone willing to doate money?, lol

[DB_Hunter]

Here's what I'm using right now:

Pentium 3 500MHz CPU
128MB SDRAM (Failed to do an upgrade, being stupid bought wrong clock speed RAM)
12.6GB Original Hard Disk
80 GB Hard disk I slapped on
20x10x40 CD-RW I ripped out of my brother's computer
DVD Drive I ripped out of my brother's computer
Originally had 32MB TNT2 nVIDIA Graphics Card, replaced with 128MB Radeon 9200 Series ATI card
10/100 Base-T Ethernet Card
56k voice/fax data modem (Use ADSL via NIC though)


As you can see it's probably the crappiest machine here http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/dry.gif .

EDIT: Oh yeah, bought it for £200 in November 2000. Used to be in a company before.

[paran0id]

AMD Athlon XP2000+
MSI SIS745 Motherboard
Intel Pro+ 10/100Mb network card
Geforce 2 64MB
80GB HD
DVD-recorder

Price: 1200-1300:-

[mizu shinobi]

lol well mine was 600 but it had only 700mhz and 20 gig hd and 512 mb ddr ram but it got better after i bought more ram got a faster cpu and got a gforce 4 ti 4200 hehehe

[Xollence]

You can create an awesome machine with like 1200.

[sangai]

heres mine

i just bought the board so its really new and takes up to a 3.2ghz amd atholon processor, its an albatron i think i was gonna buy a gigabyte board but i got this one first
amd atholon 2100+ overclocking up to higher speed ima buy the 3 ghz soon
nvidia fx5200 video card 128 mb of ram
1gig of pc 2100 memory kingston i may upgrade again soon to the 3200 at 2 gigs very expensive
80 gig hardrive going up to 300 gigs after christmas
52x writer
52x reader
getting a dvd reader soon
a 15" flat screen
silver case with led lighting and all that cool light stuff
custom built by me and a friend for i think the price to date would be a around
800-900 bucks no including tax

and i still got extra stuff lying around another computer that i dont use at the moment

[Evangelion01]

well i got my laptop for 900
1.3GH athalon
256 mb ram (1 dim slot free)
20gb hard drive
64mb ATI graphics card
DVD Rom
15' (monitor/laptop size)
and really nice speakers, darn big. a compaq, not the best but if it breaks i can repair/replace anything.

[Elite Hentai]

I have a crappy comp that's crashing all the time when I'm playing games (100%), videos (90%) or just moving my mouse (5%)

VIA Apollo 133 pro chipset
Intel P3 800MHz 133MHz fsb
2x 128 MB SDR-SDRAM
Nvidia Geforce 2 Ti
Slow 19 GB harddrive
8x CD-RW
8x DVD ROM
Onboard sound
17 CRT monitor
Standard speakers

But my mommy is ordered this 1337 computer http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_dribble.gif http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_dribble.gif http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_dribble.gif http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_dribble.gif http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_dribble.gif

(Dell Dimension 8300)

Intel i875 P
Intel P4 2.8 GHz 800MHz fsb
2x 512 MB DDR400 SDRAM
Ati Radeon 9800 pro
120 GB Seagate Barracuda Serial ATA V
NEC DVD+RW ND-1100A (4X write; 2.4X rewrite)
48x CD-ROM
Creative Labs Audigy 2
19" CRT
Altec Lansing ADA995 (5.1 & THX Certified)

My wet dream machine http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_dribble.gif http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_dribble.gif http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_dribble.gif http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_dribble.gif http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_dribble.gif

[DDBen]

ok for starters there is no 3.2 ghz Athalon there is a 3200+ which is in fact

processor AMD Athalon XP 3200+
speeds 2.167 ghz
bus Speed 333Mhz
built in level 1 cache 128 kb
built in level 2 cache 512 kb advanced transfer

you can get the 64-bit processor but thats about a grand more.

second a 19 inch LCD is worthless if you plan to do gaming it can not keep up with a high end videocard the refresh rates are simply to slow. They are only worth it if you don't have the space but as your talking about $350-500 extra its usually just not worth it.

If you would like to buy the parts and build it yourself www.newegg.com has by far the best prices, cheapest shipping and best service. On often free shipping you can expect your stuff within 4 days I ordered some new speakers yesterday by the time I got up they had been on there way for a day.

If you want high end parts and want it premade go with alienware at www.alienware.com They simply have the best prices on systems with the high end parts the others arn't even close if they are the parts there using are MUCH lower quality.

I've listed what I'm running before though I just got some 600 watt 6.1 channel speakers http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/wink.gif so I won't bother doing that again.

[brightdark]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DDBen @ Dec 17 2003, 08:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ok for starters there is no 3.2 ghz Athalon there is a 3200+ which is in fact

processor AMD Athalon XP 3200+
speeds 2.167 ghz
bus Speed 333Mhz
built in level 1 cache 128 kb
built in level 2 cache 512 kb advanced transfer
</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
that is not quite right
you are descriping the xp 3000+

the 3200+ runs at 2200mhz with 400fsb not 333

[DDBen]

ack seems I was didn&#39;t click over on the site to the correct one reguardless neither is a 3.2ghz

[brightdark]

the athlon64 3000+ are actually quite cheap at this moment&#33;
they just came to my place this week http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_w00t1.gif 64bit ownage&#33;
kicking the living essence out of pentium4 3200mhz

it outperforms the pentium4 3200mhz
it is 10% cheaper than pentium4 3000mhz
amd rocks

[MemnochTheCaT]

Here&#39;s a really good system you can build from newegg.com for &#036;407. Add your choice of monitor/kb/mouse/speakers ..

AMD Athlon XP 2500+ (512K L2, easy to o/c to 3200+)
Biostar Nforce2 IGP Mainboard (Onboard GF4MX, has AGP slot if you are a hardcore gamer needing something newer)
512MB PC3200 400Mhz DDR Memory (Run at 333 for 2500 or 400 for 3200)
120GB 7200RPM Hard Drive
Samsung 52X CDRW + 16X DVD-Rom Combo Drive
1.44MB Floppy Drive
6-Channel Sound On-Board
6 USB 1.1/2.0 Ports
10/100 Ethernet Onboard
Mid-Tower ATX Case w/350 Watt Power Supply

Nice and fast for just over &#036;400, takes about 30 minutes to build, 30 minutes to load software on. I build/repair/upgrade PCs for my job, and this is the best budget power system you can get.

[DDBen]

64-bit processing is overall useless at this time as you would be hard pressed to find any program you plan to use regularly that cares in the slightest so why spend the extra cash for a useless feature for now. Also note you need a differn&#39;t kind of ram which is also more expensive to be able to run properly.

[brightdark]

remember if you plan on going 64bit(my recomendation)

avoid the athlon64 FX (for now)

because the athlon64 FX uses 940 socket motherboard at this moment
and these are not using your normal ddr ram...so don&#39;t bother

the socket 940 motherboards will be replaced by socket 939 later on
and when that happens the socket 940 will be obsolete

go with either athlon64 3200+
or athlon64 3000+ &lt;-good price/performance ratio
these use socket 754

as for motherboard(socket 754)
avoid the nvidia nforce 3 chip(they suck)
via k8t800 chip has a superior hypertransport connection that allows faster cpu performance

or simply just wait for the socket 939 version of the athlon64 FX
they will come with integrated dual channel ramcontroller &lt;-(that which made nforce2 super)







@DDBen
the 64bit cpu at this moment are superior to the 32bit cpus even in 32bit program&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[MemnochTheCaT]

True, the high-end chips right now make NO sense at all, unless money means nothing to you.

Athlon XP 2500+ &#036;90
Athlon 64 3200+ &#036;259

Ouch&#33; For the price of the 64/3200, I can get a cpu/mobo/512mb, and still have &#036; left over. Not only that, but after clocking the FSB on the 2500 up to 200, you get 3200+ performance (granted, the 64/3200 is still faster).

Let&#39;s look at Intel

Celeron 2.4 &#036;69
P4 2.4C &#036;159
P4 3.2C &#036;370

Double ouch&#33; The Celeron is pretty slow, but good enough for most users. The 2.4C is easy to clock up to 3.2Ghz, and that 3.2Ghz price is insane.

My advice : buy something like the XP2500 or P4 2.4C and use all the &#036;&#036; you saved to get bigger HDD, a DVDRW, more Ram, whatever. Bleeding-edge cpus don&#39;t give you much for your &#036;&#036; compared to other components. A 2Ghz with 1GB of ram and a fast hard drive will run circles around a 3.2Ghz setup with 512MB and a 5400Rpm drive, for example.

EDIT : Avoid Socket 754 like the plague, it has a very limited upgrade path and is over-priced. The single-channel memory bus is already being pushed to it&#39;s limits by the 64/3200+, so even if faster socket 754 processors are released, they will not show much improvement. If you are going AMD64, wait for socket 939, or go ahead and get Socket 940 + Opteron 1xx series. Socket 754 is as dumb as Socket 423 was for P4, a limited and short-lived waste of money and time.

[Kurenai]

i think i almost have the most crappiest machine here... but... it&#39;s stable like hell.
PIII 700MHz
300something memory
a 40 and a 20 gig HDD
geforce 2 mx 400
old soundcard
asus cd player and cd rewrigter

I tried to use maya, 3ds Max (both are heavy 3d programs) and photoshop and it got really slow but it didn&#39;t crash..... i&#39;m so proud of my own homemade comp http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/wub.gif

[brightdark]

just because they are 64bit does not mean that they are bad in 32 bit applications

as of right now the 64bit 3000+ is faster than any pentium on the market(exept for the pentium3.2ghz EE version but that is by far the most expensive one anyway)
the 64bit 3200+ kills all of the regular pentium4
the athlon64 FX are untouchable and directly comparable to pentium3.2ghz EE

and that is in 32 bit programs&#33;




</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Let&#39;s look at Intel

Celeron 2.4 &#036;69
P4 2.4C &#036;159
P4 3.2C &#036;370

Double ouch&#33; The Celeron is pretty slow, but good enough for most users. The 2.4C is easy to clock up to 3.2Ghz, and that 3.2Ghz price is insane. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
AVOID celeron&#33;&#33; http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
that is the single most important rule when it comes to cpus

amd Duron cpus are far superior to them celerons
in all kinds of aplications
and they are cheaper too
(use nforce 2 motherboards for duron/athlon xp)





</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>EDIT : Avoid Socket 754 like the plague, it has a very limited upgrade path and is over-priced. The single-channel memory bus is already being pushed to it&#39;s limits by the 64/3200+, so even if faster socket 754 processors are released, they will not show much improvement. If you are going AMD64, wait for socket 939, or go ahead and get Socket 940 + Opteron 1xx series. Socket 754 is as dumb as Socket 423 was for P4, a limited and short-lived waste of money and time. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
socket 754 is not that bad
at least you can use normal ddr ram with it
the socket 940 is worse and will become obsolete (for the desktop market) before 754 does



socket 754 sure is not overpriced when compared to intel&#33;
the athlon64 3000+ has the best price/performance ration in the highend

[MemnochTheCaT]

Celeron is fine if you&#39;re not into gaming/encoding/rendering. Basically it comes down to what the user actually needs. I would recommend Athlon XP in any situation over the Celeron, but sometimes a customer insists on Intel. All you can do is tell them the fact is that a Celeron 2.4Ghz is about the same as a 1500+ AMD in terms of real-world performance. A majority of users use their PCs for Web/Email/Music/Video/Small Office apps, all of which run fine with 1Ghz+ and a decent amount of ram. It&#39;s when the user wants to run apps that require more power (games/content creation) that it gets trickier to find an appropriate solution.

Socket 940 will have a respectable lifespan, certainly longer than that of Socket 754. Also, registered DDR is now only a fraction over the cost of ordinary DDR, at least for decent brands like Corsair. AMD has just released the Opteron x48 models, and it looks like there will be ramping on Socket 940 through 2.8ghz. This offers an upgrade path of actual 64-bit processors (and they are very reasonably priced compared to other 64-Bit processors. Socket 754 is going to be relegated to low-end 32-Bit solutions, and Socket 940 will remain as a workstation/server solution. Obviously the best choice for someone investing in 64-Bit would be Socket 939, but we have to wait a few more weeks for that option. Socket 940 is much better than socket 754, AMD made a huge blunder by releasing a single-channel interface for a high-end core.

As far as socket 754 being overpriced.. YES IT IS&#33; You&#39;re using Intel&#39;s high-end pricing as an excuse, when in reality it&#39;s just the same. It&#39;s just as bad buying a P4 3.2Ghz at &#036;320 as it is to spend &#036;250+ on a 64/3200. Price/performance? The &#036;90 2500+ with a decent heatsink/fan will hit 2.2Ghz(3200+) on a Nforce2 mobo. Combine with better components with the &#036;160-&#036;230 you just saved, and you are a big winner. Socket 462 is basically dead in upgrade path, but so is Socket 754 except for value parts. Socket 478 for Intel has a few things coming, but nothing that will last as long as the Socket 939/940, so it doesn&#39;t make sense to buy high-end P4 at this time. Although the best high-end solution is 2.4/2.6C overclocked to 3.4+Ghz. Very fast and much cheaper than AMD64. Still not as good a deal as 2500+ though.

Unless you are really bleeding &#036;&#036;&#036;, stick with Barton XPs + Nforce2 until Socket 939 matures next spring. If you have to have high-end RIGHT NOW, get Socket 940+Opteron/FX. If you want a middle-ground solution, look at the low-end 800FSB P4s.

[brightdark]

as I said before
athlon64 3000+ is not overpriced
it has a good price/ performance ratio if you take it in consideration that it is highend

it is above pentium4 3.2ghz in performance
it is cheaper than p4 3.0ghz

and it is lots cheaper than p4 3.2 and its own socket 940 version
that is why it is not overpriced&#33;


as for celeron
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Celeron is fine if you&#39;re not into gaming/encoding/rendering.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
how come it is fine?
a 1.6 ghz duron owns a 2.6 ghz celeron i all situations
the celeron costs twice as much as the duron
why is that &#39;fine&#39;?

[MemnochTheCaT]

Argh, you&#39;re clearly not listening.

&quot;as I said before
athlon64 3000+ is not overpriced
it has a good price/ performance ratio if you take it in consideration that it is highend

it is above pentium4 3.2ghz in performance
it is cheaper than p4 3.0ghz

and it is lots cheaper than p4 3.2 and its own socket 940 version
that is why it is not overpriced&#33;&quot;

Athlon 64 is overpriced PERIOD, just like high-end P4 is overpriced. Comparing one overly expensive processor to another does NOT justify something costing TOO MUCH to make sense. Athlon XP whips the crap out of anything else in terms of price/performance. I&#39;ll gladly save about &#036;200 on the cpu and put it someplace that really matters, like RAM, HARD DRIVE, DVD BURNER. With Socket 754 AMD64, you get the added insult of purchasing a dead-end platform that will only be used for value processors. Ouch&#33;

&quot;how come it is fine?
a 1.6 ghz duron owns a 2.6 ghz celeron i all situations
the celeron costs twice as much as the duron
why is that &#39;fine&#39;?&quot;

Again, you&#39;re NOT listening. I already said the Celeron wasn&#39;t a cutting-edge performer. That being said, some people insist on going Intel, and for &#036;69, you get a 2.4Ghz chip that runs more like a 1.5Ghz in terms of performance. Pretty sad, yes, but MOST PC users don&#39;t do things with them that require more than around 1Ghz for decent speed. A 1Ghz Athlon with 256MB of ram will run Web Browser/Email Software/Word-Excel/Play DVD/Music/Video just as good as a &#036;5000 Dual Opteron system for most people&#39;s uses. So yeah, the Celeron is &quot;fine&quot; for most general PC users. It&#39;s reliable, cheap, and performs decently. Does that mean I recommend them? Not really, I try to steer people towards something that offers a great deal more performance at the same price, the Athlon XP series. For &#036;58, a Athlon XP 2200+ can be had. &#036;1 less than the Celeron. But, once again .. some people just want something with the Intel brand name. It&#39;s a shame, but its TRUE.

[brightdark]

well
I think I am listening to you at least as much as you listen to me http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif


YOU are definitely not listening http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

I was talking about celeron vs duron
celeron is not &#39;&#39;fine&#39;&#39; when you can get a duron at HALF its price
the duron does everything the celeron does at least as fast in everything
and costs half as much
that does not sound like &#39;fine&#39; to me

you say that the athlon64 3000+ is overpriced
when the celeron is not

....is there not something wrong with this logic?

celeron is the one overpriced

athlon64 3000+ is the one &#39;&#39;fine&#39;&#39;


and just to step on this..... http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif
the duron which is better than celeron
is UNDER half the price&#33;
and I am talking about the 40% area

[MemnochTheCaT]

Yes the Duron is fine, but there are many people who look for the Intel brand name. Athlon XP is much better than either of them. Duron 1.6ghz is &#036;41, Athlon XP 2000+ is &#036;52. Which would you pick? The 2000+ runs circles around the Duron, it has 4x the cache, and a higher FSB.

You just don&#39;t get the point at all. The kind of person who would be buying either a Duron or Celeron obviously does NOT care at all about performance, they just need a basic PC. Both processors do their job just fine, and the choice is up to how educated the consumer is. The smarter buyers will buy the Duron (or better yet, Athlon XP), but there are many who just want to play it safe and get the Intel brand name. Just because their PC has a Celeron, does that mean they can&#39;t get on the internet, type letters, do spreadsheets, etc? Of course not. I guarantee you that you take 100 ordinary people, have them take turns using common apps on 5 totally differently configured systems, and 90% of them wouldn&#39;t know which PCs were faster. We&#39;ve arrived at a point in the PC industry where even the cheapest processors are more than enough for almost everyone. The only things pushing fast PCs are development apps and gaming.

The Athlon 3000+ is overpriced, because for the price of that processor alone, I can get a Athlon XP 2500+, Nforce2 Mobo, and 512MB DDR. The 3000+ is overpriced, because after spending all of that money on a Socket 754 cpu, there&#39;s nothing to upgrade to, future Socket 754 processors are going to be low-end 32-Bit. Socket 754 is just a waste of &#036;&#036;&#036; to hold people over until Socket 939 hits. Socket 754 is a total disgrace to AMD at this point, getting people to spend high-end prices on a dead-end upgrade path.

In fact, most new interfaces/chipsets die prematurely.

Slot-1 (440FX/LX) 66Mhz FSB, used only for 233-333Mhz P2s, and then relegated to Celerons .. replaced by Socket 370, which made much more sense ..

Slot-A (AMD750/Various Via trash) Horribly slow external L2 cache, horrible chipsets with various USB/AGP/Sound problems.. replaced with Socket 462, which made much more sense..

Socket 423 (Intel 850) Incredibly expensive, weak 100/400FSB speed, limited upgrade path. Replaced with Socket 478, which made much more sense..

Get the picture? Socket 754 is analagous to any of those ill-fated stepping stone interfaces. Short-lived, and overpriced.

[DB_Hunter]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kurenai @ Dec 17 2003, 04:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i think i almost have the most crappiest machine here... but... it&#39;s stable like hell.
PIII 700MHz
300something memory
a 40 and a 20 gig HDD
geforce 2 mx 400
old soundcard
asus cd player and cd rewrigter

I tried to use maya, 3ds Max (both are heavy 3d programs) and photoshop and it got really slow but it didn&#39;t crash..... i&#39;m so proud of my own homemade comp http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/wub.gif </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Refer to my earlier post on page 1 please, I have the crappiest comp here.

[brightdark]

oh but I do see your point

it just does not scratch the fact that the celeron is overpriced
which is why I so stubbornly argue against your &#39;&#39;celeron is fine&#39;&#39;
at my place the duron 1.6 is 41&#036;( http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/blink.gif surprisingly close to your place)
and the celeron 2.6 is at 94&#036;
xp 2000+ is at 70&#036;
xp 2500+ is at 97&#036;
hopefully you see why I think celeron is far from fine...



by the end of the day we probably still have not convinced each other
gee I wonder why http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
you are comparing athlon64 3000+ with xp 2500+
and claiming that it is overpriced

while I was comparing with p4 3.0c
and claiming not overpriced
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Comparing one overly expensive processor to another does NOT justify something costing TOO MUCH to make sense</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
well okay http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
it is just that one of these overpriced processors are much more overpriced than the other
and I compared them because it was like this


and just to end this
I agree that xp 2500+ is overall the best cpu for the money

but that celeron......*shakes head* even if we are talking about the lowest and lowest of needs........<u>http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/sleep.gif</u>...it is still not fine

[MemnochTheCaT]

When I was talking about the celeron being fine, I was talking about the &#036;59 2.4 .. in the case where you have a customer who INSISTS on Intel only. I never said it wasn&#39;t overpriced compared to the AXP/Durons, which are a much better deal. Athlon 1333Mhz is about the same performance as the 2.4 Celeron, and I still say that for 95+% of the users out there, 1Ghz is plenty. Much more important is ram/hard drive/internet connection performance. Any decent Cpu can get the job done, unless you demand more for gaming/content creation.

Looking back on this, we agree pretty much except in terms of perspective. We both know the Celeron is no great performer, and we both know the AXP/Duron line owns the price/performance market. It&#39;s just that avg joe consumer often has no idea what he&#39;s doing, and tries to stay with the top-tier brand. Show most people a Dell with a celeron cpu in it vs a clone with an AMD, and most people will want the Dell, just because they trust/recognize the name. And because the Dell w/Celeron does just fine for most apps, people have no reason to care/learn/upgrade.

It&#39;s realism vs. idealism http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/dry.gif

[hiroshi]

My spec:

Athlon XP 3000+ Barton
400GBs of HD (2 * 200GB Maxtor Diamond 9 Ultra +8mb Cache each)
GeForce FX 5600 Ultra (256DDR Ram) - Wanted the 5900 but advised against.
512DDR
ThermalTake Xaser III Case (Black, +6 Fans, Glass Side Panel)
TV Card,
DVD-ReWriter +/-
DVD-ROM (NIC - 40x Speed)
19&quot; CRT
Asus A7N8X Deluxe (Oh hell yeah&#33; I love this motherboard ^^ )
CoolerMaster XP Dream Heatsink (Mega Chilling, Mega Huge, but Mega loud =.= )
Special IDE Cables (Those silver rounded ones from CoolerMaster?)
5.1 Surround Sound Subwoofer + Speakers (1,000 watts of raw power)
Nvidia SoundStorm (In Motherboard)
Nvidia 10/100 Ethernet (For LAN Gaming - In Motherboard)
3Com 10/100 Ethernet (For Internet &amp; Connection Sharing - In Motherboard)
USB Hub (Gives +4 Extra 2.0 USB ports. Total 2.0 USB: +10)
LinkSys Wireless-G Braodband Router (54mbps)
LinkSys Wireless-G Ethernet Card (PCI, 54mbps)
D-Link 10/100 Network Switch (+5 Network Ports)
Black Floppy Drive (To Match Case)

Total Cost: between £1,200 and £1,400

[hiroshi]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>second a 19 inch LCD is worthless if you plan to do gaming it can not keep up with a high end videocard the refresh rates are simply to slow. They are only worth it if you don&#39;t have the space but as your talking about &#036;350-500 extra its usually just not worth it.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

*ahem*
actually it depends on the resolution you pay for. you want one with a high pixel per inch ratio. for instance, you can buy a standard LCD for like 300 or whatever if you wanted, but if you wanted one for gaming you would instead have to buy one which would cost 4,000. I&#39;ve checked out the high end 4,000 one LCD, and it more than copes with games perfectly. I was so impressed, i damn near well tried to buy it on the spot, but i would of maxed out my credit and would of been in quite some serious financial problem if i had.

It&#39;s true that most arn&#39;t good at games though, you have to be rich to afford a good one for gaming reason.

[DDBen]

Your compairing LCD and Plasma which are 2 quite differn&#39;t things. The topic refered to buying a new computer on a budget not the best parts around for any of you who STILL missed the point. There is no way in hell its worth &#036;4000 for a picture that is basically no better then a &#036;250 CRT and plasma STILL do not have the better resolutions anyway they have a GREAT picture don&#39;t get me wrong there is a Plasma TV in my living room but as a monitor you would have to be insane to drop the &#036;3000-4000 dollars for one (which of course is also the wrong price short of a 40 inch plasma but I&#39;m just going with your number).

[Kurenai]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DB_Hunter @ Dec 18 2003, 01:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kurenai &#064; Dec 17 2003, 04:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i think i almost have the most crappiest machine here... but... it&#39;s stable like hell.
PIII 700MHz
300something memory
a 40 and a 20 gig HDD
geforce 2 mx 400
old soundcard
asus cd player and cd rewrigter

I tried to use maya, 3ds Max (both are heavy 3d programs) and photoshop and it got really slow but it didn&#39;t crash..... i&#39;m so proud of my own homemade comp http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/wub.gif </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Refer to my earlier post on page 1 please, I have the crappiest comp here. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Ok you win. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/huh.gif

[brightdark]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DDBen &#064; Dec 18 2003, 04:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Your compairing LCD and Plasma which are 2 quite differn&#39;t things. The topic refered to buying a new computer on a budget not the best parts around for any of you who STILL missed the point. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
okay?

how about reading the first post then? http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>blegh, i want to know, how much it cost to build a comp ..a decent one, like
2.20 ghz, stick of 512, 80 gigs..geforce 19 flat</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Elite Hentai]

Actually my comp is the worst: 95% of the times I want to watch anime and 100% of the times I want to play a game it crashes. This is a ultimate nightmare for an otaku http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/sad.gif. When my new comp arrives I&#39;ll back up my beloved anime and reinstall that demon called Windows.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Looking back on this, we agree pretty much except in terms of perspective. We both know the Celeron is no great performer, and we both know the AXP/Duron line owns the price/performance market. It&#39;s just that avg joe consumer often has no idea what he&#39;s doing, and tries to stay with the top-tier brand. Show most people a Dell with a celeron cpu in it vs a clone with an AMD, and most people will want the Dell, just because they trust/recognize the name. And because the Dell w/Celeron does just fine for most apps, people have no reason to care/learn/upgrade. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Look at my new pc: a Dell pc... (of course you can customize it)

[brightdark]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DDBen @ Dec 19 2003, 06:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Now to compair to a 19 inch CRT
19 inch CRT ('http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=24-002-044&catalog=19&depa=1')

Now lets look at the supported resolution
Resolutions Supported
720 x 400 @ 70 to 160 Hz
640 x 480 @ 60 to 160 Hz
800 x 600 @ 50 to 146 Hz
832 x 624 @ 50 to 141 Hz
1024 x 768 @ 50 to 116 Hz
1152 x 870 @ 50 to 103 Hz
1280 x 1024 @ 50 to 89 Hz
1600 x 1200 @ 50 to 76 Hz
1792 x 1344 @ 50 to 68 Hz
NOTE: Some systems may not support all modes listed. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
that frequency range is not too impressive http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
for a 19 inch
I would not accept anything that can&#39;t take 30-110kHz horizontal

samsung syncmaster 959nf &lt;---(thing I want this christmas http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif )

1600x1200 85 hz &lt;--wicked
2048x1536 75 hz

[DB_Hunter]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hiroshi @ Dec 19 2003, 08:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Oh as far as crappy comps. My old one is:

Pentium 133mhz
16mb of EDO RAM.
ISA to PCI Expander (3 unusually large PCI Slots)
Internal Graphics Card (2mb)
AST SVGA Monitor (Can only display 800*600 and even then it&#39;s off the screen a little)
PCI SoundBlaster 16 (Yes the old one. NOT Pro, and won&#39;t fit modern PCI)
ISA MicroModem.
IBM Desktop Case (Horizontal)
MSI Motherboard.... can&#39;t remember the number though. Damn old.

Do i win? =P </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
OK here we go then http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mad.gif

My old PC before I had this one:

Intel 486 DX2 50MHz
24x CD-ROM upgrade we did
Original HDD - about 525MB, upgraded to 1.2GB
Graphics Card... huh? I dont even recall it having one http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/blink.gif
Originally 4MB RAM, upgraded to 8MB then 16MB
33.6K Modem
I think sound card was put in to it later... might have benn Soundblaster
15&quot; Monitor, can&#39;t remember resolution
Was a Packard Bell

http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_gap.gif

[.EcHo.]

thanks for the replies =D

[p3psi]

If you want to save money, go with athlon. I&#39;ve had it for about 2 years now, and not a single problem. If you get a really good heat sink and fan, athlonxps kick ass.

if you dont get a good heat sink and fan, then athlonxps burst into flames, no joke.

[brightdark]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (p3psi @ Dec 20 2003, 12:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If you want to save money, go with athlon. I&#39;ve had it for about 2 years now, and not a single problem. If you get a really good heat sink and fan, athlonxps kick ass.

if you dont get a good heat sink and fan, then athlonxps burst into flames, no joke. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
they run fine at their standard speed on stock cooler
no need for overclock-&gt;no need for extra cooler

I have had 3 athlon xps
2 of them has almost always been at standard speed on their box cooler
the third clocked really tight when I put on the big alpha 8045

[MemnochTheCaT]

If you get a Barton-core Athlon XP, I heavily recommend getting an 80mm heatsink/fan for it, the larger die size creates quite a lot of heat, I&#39;ve seen 2500+ with stock cooler running in the mid-50 degree area. The processor generally runs ok at that temp, but it&#39;s better to keep it mid-40s or less.

http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/mf_gap.gif

[hiroshi]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Your compairing LCD and Plasma which are 2 quite differn&#39;t things.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Actually, i wasn&#39;t talking about a Plasma screen. It was definitly an LCD screen, and if you haven&#39;t seen that screen you can&#39;t really talk. Because it was definitly better than your average CRT. It had the crispness of a Plasma (But it wasn&#39;t Plasma&#33;&#33;&#33;), and it kept up with the motions and everything.

Look at your CRT. Can you think it could be improved anymore? it&#39;s a little hard, but looking at a Plasma screen proves that it can be improved. This LCD screen i&#39;m talking about did cost that much, and it was of a much higher quality than either the CRT, your lower LCD and *touch wood* better than a lot of Plasma Screens.

Yeah you&#39;re right about the costs and everything. The majority of us can&#39;t afford that kind of cost. But you obviously missed the point. I had already stated that, you&#39;d have to be rich to afford one for gaming.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>It&#39;s true that most arn&#39;t good at games though, you have to be rich to afford a good one for gaming reason.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

The resolution was way above any CRT i could find, which was why it cost so much by the way. Don&#39;t argue, i know what i saw. You didn&#39;t see it.

[hiroshi]

Oh as far as crappy comps. My old one is:

Pentium 133mhz
16mb of EDO RAM.
ISA to PCI Expander (3 unusually large PCI Slots)
Internal Graphics Card (2mb)
AST SVGA Monitor (Can only display 800*600 and even then it&#39;s off the screen a little)
PCI SoundBlaster 16 (Yes the old one. NOT Pro, and won&#39;t fit modern PCI)
ISA MicroModem.
IBM Desktop Case (Horizontal)
MSI Motherboard.... can&#39;t remember the number though. Damn old.

Do i win? =P

[DDBen]

29.5 inch LCD ('http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=24-002-070&DEPA=1&sumit=property&catalog=20&mfrcode=0&propertycodevalue=4537&keywords=&minprice=&maxprice=')

Well thats the only refernce to a LCD in your price catagory I can find

and as with all of them the refresh rates are well below what they should be a LCD tops off at about 76 MHZ while atleast my graphic card atleast on high end 1600X1200 still runs at at much higher then 60 HZ.

Resolutions Supported
640x480 @ 60Hz
800x600 @ 60Hz
1024x768 @ 60Hz
1280x768 @ 60Hz
1280x1024 @ 60Hz (Analog only, compressed)
1600x1200 @ 60Hz (Analog only, compressed)
NTSC/PAL; HDTV 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i

Basically my statement about a LCD lies in the fact that you are paying way to much for a monitor that can&#39;t even correctly handle the best video cards out there.

Now to compair to a 19 inch CRT
19 inch CRT ('http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=24-002-044&catalog=19&depa=1')

Now lets look at the supported resolution
Resolutions Supported
720 x 400 @ 70 to 160 Hz
640 x 480 @ 60 to 160 Hz
800 x 600 @ 50 to 146 Hz
832 x 624 @ 50 to 141 Hz
1024 x 768 @ 50 to 116 Hz
1152 x 870 @ 50 to 103 Hz
1280 x 1024 @ 50 to 89 Hz
1600 x 1200 @ 50 to 76 Hz
1792 x 1344 @ 50 to 68 Hz
NOTE: Some systems may not support all modes listed.

I&#39;d certainly say those refresh rates are a bit better on the high end but then again they give a range where the CRT does not but even taking the average in EVERY case the CRT has much higher resolutions available.

Now yes a LCD has a picture that looks cleaner there is no argument there I&#39;m just saying based on what your getting for your money note the 19&quot; LCD has lower stats and costs at most &#036;650 and atleast &#036;489. So in general you are paying more for a monitor that can&#39;t keep up. This is my opinion these are direct links to the products where I would purchase such a monitor from. If you have some super monitor from another site please feel free to post it as for me I&#39;ll take the 19&quot; CRT and use my nvidia Geforce fx 5950 Ultra with VIVO to its full extent without having to watch my games flicker.

[boomorman]

go to pricewatch.com after you find a place you might want to buy from go to
resellerratings.com Look up the rating I&#39;d say a score of 5 or more your good to go.

190 for cheapo but good enough mobo + 2.6ghz cpu 533fsb/ stock fan/hs onboard sound/ nic (with the 533 you&#39;ll have the extra fsb to play around with if your into ocing)

56&#036; for 2mb 80gb hd 79&#036; for an 8mb cache

however the wd 1600bb (105 bucks) will perform about as well as the 800jb (79)
and you get twice the hardrive space out of it. smaller sectors faster read makes up for the extra buffer.


80 for semi good stick of 512 ram (ram matters more then just about anything else)

5 bucks thermal paste.

100 for gf4 4200 which 99 percent of can be clocked to 4600 speed with stock cooling.

lcd for a semi good one looking at 300-550 really they aren&#39;t worth it. They suck for gaming better off spending 200 and getting a rocking crt monitor or reusing your current one.

reuse your current case, floppy, cdrom, keyboard, mouse, you might be able to reuse your psu but more then likly not so like 60 bucks for a semi good one.



my computer I havn&#39;t upgraded in over a year. It&#39;s still more than fast enough.

19in magview monitor kinda crappy but it does 100hertz at 1024 768 which is what I game at so good enough.

motherboard is an ad77

xp2100 t-bred fsb set at 190 @2471ghz cheapo water cooling 67 dollars on pricewatch and I put a 7200 fan on top the heatsink so its air/water.


512ocz pc3500 running at cas2

geforce 4 4200 core at 280 mem at 610.

800jb 1200jb 400bb I like western digital havn&#39;t had one fail yet.

liteon 44x cdr ( no need for faster 3-4 minutes a cd is quick enough)