Boku no Hero Academia

[David75]

Who is Asta?
Black Clover MC... subpar anime that tries to steal from Naruto, HxH and others but does it badly and MC's voice acting is so irking it goes under your skin...

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 56

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I thought Naval Laser was the fake transforming girl for a long time during that episode.

His quirk is a bit shit, but it'd combo well with Invisible Girl's light warp if she ends up controlling it well.

[neflight86]

Its almost unfair that an invisible person's power up would be to make themselves into a flashbang. Now you can't see anything!

I like that meat-guy was voiced by hachiman from RomCom Snafu, because his monologues reminded me of that character.

Aoyama might be my favorite student character in this show, twinkling and all, so some development is good to see.

[Buffalobiian]

Its almost unfair that an invisible person's power up would be to make themselves into a flashbang. Now you can't see anything!

While it makes sense for her to be able to bend light, it makes no sense for her to be able to produce more light than is actually hitting her body.

She should really function as like a magnifying glass in that she can concentrate light around her to blind one particular spot, as opposed to a flashbang.

[neflight86]

Heh, maybe she is doing just that, but to everybody's eyes at once (multiple prism beams), though that sounds unwieldy.

[David75]

Is it possible she had a flashbang grenade as part of her equipment, and that the flash was not her quirk at all ?

[shinta|hikari]

That'd render herself blinded though, or at the very least stunned and deafened by the impact since the flash came from her.

I loved this episode because it featured the heart warming yet blood pumping elements that make this show great. Great enough to overlook a lot of the flaws in battle and power logic.

Like, how dumb can those ninjas be to think Todoroki would wield a torch in the middle of a smokescreen he created himself..? What's the use of a torch there anyway?

Why the heck did Bakugo not use his mobility (he can fly) to get behind meatman and surround him since it was 2 on 1 (on a narrow path too)? That's basic strategy. He didn't need to protect lightning dude, who can back away and generate electricity around him. He needed to defeat the enemy to save everyone else.

Why did enemies taped to the ground suddenly stop fighting? They have quirks, and it's extremely unlikely all of them became powerless just because they are pinned down...

Going back one episode, why did that IQ girl think that lipid girl would be abandoned by her team? She was just one door away. If her default IQ is 150, she should know the most logical answer is to bust open the door and save her. They had more than enough targets to all pass, IQ girl's targets added.

[Buffalobiian]

Going back one episode, why did that IQ girl think that lipid girl would be abandoned by her team? She was just one door away. If her default IQ is 150, she should know the most logical answer is to bust open the door and save her. They had more than enough targets to all pass, IQ girl's targets added.

It's "stupid" but also not really stupid.

We dismiss things especially when it goes against our values. Things that are "unthinkable" are obvious to those who see things or value things that way. She's just pidgeonholed herself into thinking they would value self-preservation above all.

Maybe it's to do with the tea. :S

To those of us more worldly, I agree that not seeing her friends coming in was sort of..naive.

[David75]

She did not include failsafe methods for that possibility.
Of course she can't have perfect attack and defense in her plans, but she at least needs to think of proper actions even in that case.

[shinta|hikari]

I'm not even talking about values. It's a simple loss versus gain calculation. What do they gain if they try to save lipidgirl? They might actually save her and get a few more targets after ganging up on the remaining enemy. What do they lose? Nothing. Sure there is risk in going after an unknown enemy, but there is even more risk in turning their back on it and focusing on qualifying by pressing their balls on sensitive spots.

Her strange surprise could've been cut out if she didn't bother explaining her actions to lipidgirl, which also made no sense. If the director wanted to show her reasoning, they could've made it internal monologue, thus releasing it from the shackles of timing.

[MFauli]

IQ girl was just bad writing. It sounds like a cool idea on paper, but once you think it through it's a terrible ability in terms of story telling,because it breaks any balance.

[DarthEnderX]

Or at least, it should. But she lost, so it doesn't.

[shinta|hikari]

Which is why it is bad writing. That ability is broken, but somehow it failed majestically, especially the very last part when she grabbed lipidgirl and started babbling instead of hitting her sensitive spots.

[neflight86]

I attribute that behaviour to "anime time" plus the handcuff.

IQ girl's downfall was thinking her quirk invincible, thus underestimating her opponents; a common trope in shounen.

I don't even want to call these "filler" (that scenario and the latest episode), as much as "anime original", simply because this is one another level of quality compared to the filler we grew up with. This could pass as decent anime without the MHA trimmings.

Do you remember that time the One Piece crew fought a marine with chains between his boats? When Naruto had to fight Tony the tiger? Most of Bleach? To call this bad writing should be contextualized as inferior writing compared to the rest of MHA, though of course we've had disagreements on the that quality as well.

[shinta|hikari]

That specific part (Brain Girl) was bad writing.

It's unfair to the word "bad" to use it to describe Naruto and Bleach.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 59

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All that fuss, because someone told him to fuck off.

Harden the fuck up.

As for Todoroki, it's funny. He says that simultaneous activation slows him down, but he's never really mobile when he uses his quirks for attacks anyway. Ice skating would be the only real scenario I remember him moving while doing stuff.

[neflight86]

I really like Gang Orca's design. Mob boss themed hero with an orca head looks cool.

Squabbling isn't gonna look good on the evaluation; I imagine like when professional athletes get into fights on the field and have to do a big apology after words and/or get fined.

I like that Todoriki is more mad that he's being directly compared to a negative aspect of his father. That must hit a nerve.

I also enjoyed when Mineta complained about having to save people at the same time as fending off villains (which is what the scenario warned about anyway), but Eraserhead kind of agreeing with him that this would be difficult for anyone. Sometimes, your job just unfairly sucks; no reason to skirt around it.

[DarthEnderX]

All that fuss, because someone told him to fuck off.

Harden the fuck up. Right?! That's some Broly-level stupid motivation right there.

[DarthEnderX]

60

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Okay. Was not expecting that Camie twist, but I guess I should have been. So Deku isn't quite as much of a ladies man, because two of his admirers were the same lady. :p

This Deku vs. Kacchan confrontation feels so much like Naruto vs. Sasuke on the roof of the hospital. Kacchan just coming off a humiliating failure...

Also, forgot to say this last week, but Froppy's new camouflage power really undermines Toru's usefulness. It's like "Oh, I have the same power as you, plus a bunch of frog powers."

[MFauli]

Can't stand Sasuke-comparisons. Bakugo is such a badly, incompetently written character. The whole show is so incredibly bland when compared to Naruto which went to great lengths to flesh out its world and, at least in the beginning, present itself in a believable manner. BnHA is just ... a bunch of action figure-toys put against each other to fight fights that have no consequences.

[DarthEnderX]

Sasuke is...one of the worst written characters ever.

Naruto is a good series in spite of Sasuke, not because of him.

[neflight86]

Can't stand Sasuke-comparisons. Bakugo is such a badly, incompetently written character. The whole show is so incredibly bland when compared to Naruto which went to great lengths to flesh out its world and, at least in the beginning, present itself in a believable manner. BnHA is just ... a bunch of action figure-toys put against each other to fight fights that have no consequences.

Something something nostalgia bias. I wholeheartedly disagree that Naruto was, for the majority of its run, anything special or of any remarkable quality. It had moments of good-ness, and some genuinely great fights, but it lacked competition in long running Shounen, and its story largely felt like padding. In my opinion, of course.

Bakugo isn't Sasuke; hes a more compelling character than Sasuke ever was that exhibits emotion and drive beyond 'gotta revenge'. He has actual character problems that hold him back, but other qualities that more or less offset them, and people recognize that fact.

Fleshing out the world? You mean this whole exam arc for provisional licensing? The visible repercussions of Stain's social media revolution and All Might's retirement changing the entire government's strategy concerning professional heroes isn't world building? Did you want a couple of "hidden" hero villages themed around elements or something? Or perhaps you simply don't like the world being contemporary and want some generic fantasy background for our fighting? Please- Naruto's world building consisted of "ninjas go to ninja school, are hired for jobs (which got mentioned like, what, twice?)... and the world looks like feudal Japan; believe it.

Bland? That's actually the hardest one to argue, I'll give you that. As a measure of Shounen tropes, BnHA is about standard, but there I would argue that it handles the tropes as well as could be expected. If you can only see these thematic beats (teamwork, friendship, and victory) so many times before getting sick of them, then of course the one(s) you watch before that burn out can seem to have "done them better".

Action figure fights with no consequences... At least four fights so far would have resulted in death to main characters if lost; so I'm a little hazy on what you mean there. As for the fights themselves, going back to Naruto, I will agree some of those fights were excellent, but those were typically 30+ episodes apart, were surrounded by episodes animated in Powerpoint, and were still very simplistic with telegraphed win conditions that reduced the tactical complexity of the engagements by a large margin, as screen time was spent expounding on said 'win conditions'. Naruto seldom even tried team battles because they would get more complex than the author wanted them to, I would guess. BnHA tries team battles, with its mixed results. I prefer that to "everyone pair off for your fights".

Sorry to call you out specifically, MFauli, but sometimes you make very interesting critiques about BnHA, and I feel compelled to challenge them. I would love to hear more of your thoughts.

[shinta|hikari]

Welcome back Mfauli.

Naruto is mostly terrible. But I think Mfauli's main complaint is that people don't die in MHA, whereas they do in Naruto... after hundreds of episodes.

[MFauli]

Something something nostalgia bias. I wholeheartedly disagree that Naruto was, for the majority of its run, anything special or of any remarkable quality. It had moments of good-ness, and some genuinely great fights, but it lacked competition in long running Shounen, and its story largely felt like padding. In my opinion, of course.

Bakugo isn't Sasuke; hes a more compelling character than Sasuke ever was that exhibits emotion and drive beyond 'gotta revenge'. He has actual character problems that hold him back, but other qualities that more or less offset them, and people recognize that fact.

Fleshing out the world? You mean this whole exam arc for provisional licensing? The visible repercussions of Stain's social media revolution and All Might's retirement changing the entire government's strategy concerning professional heroes isn't world building? Did you want a couple of "hidden" hero villages themed around elements or something? Or perhaps you simply don't like the world being contemporary and want some generic fantasy background for our fighting? Please- Naruto's world building consisted of "ninjas go to ninja school, are hired for jobs (which got mentioned like, what, twice?)... and the world looks like feudal Japan; believe it.

Bland? That's actually the hardest one to argue, I'll give you that. As a measure of Shounen tropes, BnHA is about standard, but there I would argue that it handles the tropes as well as could be expected. If you can only see these thematic beats (teamwork, friendship, and victory) so many times before getting sick of them, then of course the one(s) you watch before that burn out can seem to have "done them better".

Action figure fights with no consequences... At least four fights so far would have resulted in death to main characters if lost; so I'm a little hazy on what you mean there. As for the fights themselves, going back to Naruto, I will agree some of those fights were excellent, but those were typically 30+ episodes apart, were surrounded by episodes animated in Powerpoint, and were still very simplistic with telegraphed win conditions that reduced the tactical complexity of the engagements by a large margin, as screen time was spent expounding on said 'win conditions'. Naruto seldom even tried team battles because they would get more complex than the author wanted them to, I would guess. BnHA tries team battles, with its mixed results. I prefer that to "everyone pair off for your fights".

Sorry to call you out specifically, MFauli, but sometimes you make very interesting critiques about BnHA, and I feel compelled to challenge them. I would love to hear more of your thoughts.

I don't think it'd be fruitful to debate much, because I fundamentally disagree. Imo BnHA is a bland, shallow shounen-series that got lucky to release at the perfect moment in time. It's story is all about training and exams/encounters.

Meanwhile, Naruto goes into great detail to show its creative, unique world and isn't afraid of taking time. You criticize that there's more episodes in-between battles (it's way less than 30 lol), but I'd praise exactly that. It builds up suspense. Yeah, it took forever to see Gaara go all out during the Konoha Infiltration-arc, but it was all the more exciting when it happened. And that's ignoring the countless smaller fights that made sure to avoid mindless power brawls and instead focused on creative appliance of abilities.

And again, Naruto's story is so much richer because of all the stuff that happens outside of battles and exams. BnHA simply doesn't exist outside of the specific situation at hand.

If you or anyone prefers BnHA, go for it. But I have a hard time seeing someone praising Bakugo. Look, I hated Sasuke back then. But I was able to hate him, because he was so well written (for a shounen anime). Bakugo is just a perma-angry loudmouth. Nothing about him is interesting. He's only relevant to the story really because he used to bully Deku.

[MFauli]

Welcome back Mfauli.

Naruto is mostly terrible. But I think Mfauli's main complaint is that people don't die in MHA, whereas they do in Naruto... after hundreds of episodes.

In Naruto I at least always had the feeling someone *could* hypothetically die (oh boy, I was so scared when Shikamaru fought Hidan ...). In BnHA even the 'evil' villains feel like Looney Toon-characters. Just in theclast episode we learnt that this one girl was actually a transformed villain. We haven't seen it yet, but let's take a guess: is the original girl still alive? Why, if course! Because the evil villains in BnHA do not kill. :/

[DarthEnderX]

Bakugo is just a perma-angry loudmouth. Nothing about him is interesting.That's what makes him interesting. He has the demeanor of typical shounen rival villain, but actually still wants to be a hero.

Like, if Bakugo was as one dimensional as Sasuke, then when the villains offered to have him join he would have accepted. Because the villains look at him and go "Oh, this guy is a Sasuke-archetype." But he's not. His motivations are more complex than blind revenge or surpassing his rival.

[MFauli]

Bakugo isn't even capable of complex ideas like revenge.

[neflight86]

What, exactly, is complex about revenge? "You hurt me, so I'm going to hurt you." Its one of the most primitive thought processes I can imagine. Children grasp it just fine.

Bakugo deduced the meaning behind Deku's crying at All Might's declaration. He refused to goof off like kids with his friends in the in the first episode because he knew it could hamper his ability to get into UA if they were caught; clear forethought. Bakugo has shown high cognitive function multiple times in the series.

[DarthEnderX]

I do enjoy how Bakugo's circle of cronies is slowly expanding as more people get used to him. First hardening guy, now lightning guy.

[shinta|hikari]

Bakugo is a bully.

[DarthEnderX]

Yes he is.

[NeoCybercoin]

New episode is out!
Gives a lot of insight into Bakugo along with the obvious slugfest.

[Buffalobiian]

It's pretty amazing that Bakugo can move almost on par with Deku. That's against 8% One-For-All, not just Deku x 108%.

[David75]

It's pretty amazing that Bakugo can move almost on par with Deku. That's against 8% One-For-All, not just Deku x 108%.
I think blocking 8% OFA is even more incredible when your quirk isn't about enhancing your strenght...
And I do not think Bakugo can create explosion on the surface of his forearms to get a counter force to Deku's hit.

[NeoCybercoin]

I think he can create explosions on his arms. I mean it comes from his sweat glands so he might be able to do so later one.

[Buffalobiian]

Interesting tidbit that further shows the maths in this show doesn't add up:

All Might said that he'd smash Nomu with 5 punches in his prime, but took over 300 in that other fight.
If you take 5 punches to be 100% All For One One for All, that places All Might at 1.7% of his former self.

Deku is less than that right now. Maths is broken.

[shinta|hikari]

To be fair, punching isn't just about power. It also means speed and precision/angle as well as the ability to set up power punches. If you are even just a bit better than another fighter, a fight that should last 12 rounds can end in 1. That's probably what it means when he said 300 vs 5. It's not that his punches got that weak mathematically. It's because he became less of a fighter overall.

[DarthEnderX]

That's against 8% One-For-All, not just Deku x 108%.It is 160% previous Deku though.

[Buffalobiian]

It is 160% previous Deku though.

As in 8% One-For-All is 60% better than 5% One-For-All?

If so, I agree that Deku had a significant power increase, and Bakugo shouldn't be able to hold up as well as he did.

Deku's own power is insignificant when compared to One-For-All. For all intents and purposes, a Full Cowling 8% Deku is an 8% All Might.

[DarthEnderX]

As in 8% One-For-All is 60% better than 5% One-For-All?

If so, I agree that Deku had a significant power increase, and Bakugo shouldn't be able to hold up as well as he did.

Deku's own power is insignificant when compared to One-For-All. For all intents and purposes, a Full Cowling 8% Deku is an 8% All Might.No arguments here.

[shinta|hikari]

I think they neglected to mention that having a quirk generally increases your physical body. It gives you more endurance, durability, speed, and power, and that also increases a bit as you train your quirk and body. With such a simple one-liner, all this bullshit could be explained and suspension of disbelief sustained. Why not use it..?

[shinta|hikari]

Finally got around to watching the episode.

Absolute hogwash.

The fight was cool and all, but none of it made sense. Let's do this in reverse:

1) At the very end, why would it matter if Izuku is pinned down? He has SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH. A normal person's weight pinning him down is meaningless if he can leap several stories in the air.

2) How is Bakugo able to withstand his punches and attacks? He is normal aside from his explosive sweat. Izuku is tougher overall because of All for One so it sorta makes sense he can survive the explosions.

3) WTF is this melodrama nonsense? So this bully decides to keep being a bully? That's essentially what a bully is. They use people weaker than they are to vent their feelings. And as this episode apparently proves, Izuku is somehow weaker than Bakugo... Makes no sense why though.

4) Let me reiterate this again. If someone has superhuman strength, the last thing you wanna do is grapple with them. Technique means nothing if the gap in strength is too large, like a baby vs an adult. Yet that's how the fight ended. Lol.

Fuck this show. It has devolved into Naruto level nonsense.

Edit:

BTW, Bakugo should know that Izuku didn't give his all in that fight. If he did, the first kick would be the last kick... Giving your all doesn't mean holding back 92% of the power you have at your disposal.

I would've smashed Bakugo's skull and claimed self defense... And then join the villains and utterly destroy hero society, quite easily btw.

And WTF are they keeping All for One alive like that? That's worse than torture. They should just kill him for his own good and for the world's safety. How does he even pee and shit..?

[DarthEnderX]

And as this episode apparently proves, Izuku is somehow weaker than Bakugo... Makes no sense why though.Because Bakugo is stronger than 8% of All Might?


BTW, Bakugo should know that Izuku didn't give his all in that fight.Deku has more or less sworn to stop hurting himself when he fights, he's not going to go back on that for a play-fight.

8% is the most he can give without burning up a finger or a limb or whatever.

[shinta|hikari]

Then that's not going all out, is it? He should just say, I'll play fight with Kacchan with a tiny fraction of my power because I'm not taking him seriously. That's not what he said, nor what Bakugo asked from him.

Bakugo's BODY is NOT stronger than 8% of All Might's power. He got kicked and punched with blows that destroy gigantic rocks...

[Buffalobiian]

And WTF are they keeping All for One alive like that? That's worse than torture. They should just kill him for his own good and for the world's safety. How does he even pee and shit..?

With this (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=urinary+catheter&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBAU690AU690&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3vpmlhcTdAhVETLwKHcE-A-UQ_AUIDigB&biw=1858&bih=1014) and this (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=bowel+management+system&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBAU690AU690&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjdgsGshcTdAhUCO7wKHUa3DJ4Q_AUIDigB&biw=1858&bih=1014).

[shinta|hikari]

It doesn't look like he has tubes on his lower body, unless they somehow have it hidden under his strait sack. Does it work even if you're sitting down like that?
1850

[Buffalobiian]

It works seated or lying. You just need to make diarrhoea because nuggets don't go through tubes.

[shinta|hikari]

It works seated or lying. You just need to make diarrhoea because nuggets don't go through tubes.

So it really is better for faceless to just die. What a terrible quality of life...

[DarthEnderX]

He should just say, I'll play fight with Kacchan with a tiny fraction of my power because I'm not taking him seriously.Yeah, cause saying THAT would certainly defuse the situation...


So it really is better for faceless to just die. What a terrible quality of life...Pretty sure they aren't super concerned with superHitler's quality of life.

[shinta|hikari]

You missed the point completely. If they are gonna treat him like that, why not just kill him and avoid all the risk?

Uh, who cares about defusing the situation? Izuku intended to fight all out at that point. The problem is he still kept using a tiny fraction of his available power.

[neflight86]

An incarcerated terrorist leader is more useful than a dead one. Information, or at worst they could go for a war of the best ala one piece by announcing an execution.

Izuku wanted to respond to Bakugo's strong feelings, but he didn't forget his responsibility to his own body that has been drilled into him. Less than 10 episodes ago he said he would never again use 100 percent (lol, but for now he's kept that promise).

As for pinned down vs strength, the point was that Bakugo had him in a kill state. That posture, hand on face, is little different than holding a gun to your face. Unless you trained up your hard face suffeciently, he was being held against death; hence Bakugo won. You've seen this before in anime: sword to throat to show who "won" without anyone actually dying. Would you be as upset if it was sigaraki's fingers on his neck like the end of season 2? Why didn't his super strength save him then? Because his life was in someone else's hands, not because he was beat to a pulp. Super strength can't just counter everything.

[shinta|hikari]

An incarcerated terrorist leader is more useful than a dead one. Information, or at worst they could go for a war of the best ala one piece by announcing an execution.

Not if said terrorist leader has a multitude of powers that no one else can counter with All Might gone. Real terrorist leaders are just humans with no real risk of escape after imprisonment.


Izuku wanted to respond to Bakugo's strong feelings, but he didn't forget his responsibility to his own body that has been drilled into him. Less than 10 episodes ago he said he would never again use 100 percent (lol, but for now he's kept that promise).

Then he wasn't giving it his all. That was my point. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't make any judgments whether that was a good decision or not.


As for pinned down vs strength, the point was that Bakugo had him in a kill state. That posture, hand on face, is little different than holding a gun to your face. Unless you trained up your hard face suffeciently, he was being held against death; hence Bakugo won. You've seen this before in anime: sword to throat to show who "won" without anyone actually dying. Would you be as upset if it was sigaraki's fingers on his neck like the end of season 2? Why didn't his super strength save him then? Because his life was in someone else's hands, not because he was beat to a pulp. Super strength can't just counter everything.

Because Sigaraki can kill stuff he touches instantly. Bakugo can make explosions (still doesn't make sense how he isn't getting hurt from the feedback but whatever), but Izuku can survive those because One for All seems to make you tougher, and would blow Bakugo away from him if used point blank.

Of course, super strength doesn't counter everything, but it does counter grappling techniques. Grappling and pinning techniques rely on the use of weight and concentration of strength on weaker joints etc. But if you have super strength that can destroy boulders, you can just stand up normally because the weight and pressure on you is lighter than that of a child's to a normal person.

Also, it doesn't make sense how Bakugo didn't break any bones even after falling from such a height and propelled by a blast, even if he did land on Izuku.

[MFauli]

I think blocking 8% OFA is even more incredible when your quirk isn't about enhancing your strenght...
And I do not think Bakugo can create explosion on the surface of his forearms to get a counter force to Deku's hit.

It 's not just incredible. It makes no sense. Bakugo has a normal human body, no special shielding. A kick/punch from Deku should have smashed his arms when he was blocking Deku's attack.

[shinta|hikari]

The author should just backpedal and openly state that quirks give you physical enhancements in general. Like even Uraraka should have a tougher body than any normal human now.

[DarthEnderX]

You missed the point completely. If they are gonna treat him like that, why not just kill him and avoid all the risk?Because executing prisoners is considered barbaric in many countries? Including Japan.


Uh, who cares about defusing the situation? Izuku intended to fight all out at that point. The problem is he still kept using a tiny fraction of his available power.I'm not sure what's hard to understand about the fact that going "all out" for Deku doesn't include blasting Bakugo into red mist.

[shinta|hikari]

It's hard to understand because that's not "going all out." https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/go+all+out

He should just say I'll do what I can while keeping both of us from serious injury. It's like Naruto not using his rasengan while Sasuke uses his chidori wantonly during the kiddy brawl.

Executing prisoners is considered barbaric only if they can't wipe out the entire swarms of heroes once free, and the guy kept saying he's gonna escape openly to everyone able to listen to him in that prison... Pretty sure many governments, including Japan, just covertly snuff out bad elements when they feel the need to. A walking nuke, imprisoned but keeps insisting he'll escape, is a "need to" situation.

The idea I'm putting forth here is there is no real life example of a prisoner like All for One, so it's pointless to compare real world prisoners or laws when dealing with him. Special cases require special measures. That's the safest and most logical thing to do. The guy is an incarnation of evil and has no desire to change, which is generally what prisons are for.

Also, binding him like a roast like that for the rest of his life seems more barbaric than say, lethal injection or a bullet to the head while asleep.

[DarthEnderX]

Executing prisoners is considered barbaric only if they can't wipe out the entire swarms of heroes once freeWell, that's one opinion.

Another is that principles aren't something to be thrown aside as soon as they become difficult.

HeroAca's entire setting revolves around the idea of paragons of justice and virtue. All Might is basically Superman, and everyone else strives to follow his ideals. And Superman doesn't kill his villains, even though they'll inevitably escape and kill a bunch of people later. Because doing so would lower you to their level.

[shinta|hikari]

Did you even read the rest of my post?

Your reply implies that justice allows indefinite torture of a person. All for One is being thought-monitored, robbed of all movement, and basically robbed of all basic human rights (except living). And that is somehow OK versus just killing him.

Nice principles there.

[DarthEnderX]

Your reply implies that justice allows indefinite torture of a person. All for One is being thought-monitored, robbed of all movement, and basically robbed of all basic human rights (except living). And that is somehow OK versus just killing him.To some people, yes. To a lot of people, killing is the worst thing you can do to a person. It's not even like they're torturing him. All they're doing is confining him. Granted, his confinement is very extreme, but it's not like they're waterboarding him or shocking him or anything.

If we go back to the Superman example, what they're doing to AFO isn't that different from imprisoning people in the Phantom Zone(depending on the writer).

[shinta|hikari]

I don't know where you are getting your facts when you say "to a lot of people, killing is the worst thing you can do to a person" especially if the alternative is eternal confinement with no ability to move or even think freely.

That said, I just stated that as a counter to your principles argument. That type of confinement is also not aligned with the principles you speak of, yet they are doing it despite all the risk it entails, and the monetary cost too.

It's just general hogwash of keeping a villain alive so he can escape at a later time. There's no real depth of thought behind this.

[DarthEnderX]

That type of confinement is also not aligned with the principles you speak ofThe principles I spoke of were very specifically Superman principles. And it aligns with those perfectly

[shinta|hikari]

Oh okay. I don't know about Superman principles. I actually thought you were arguing real life principles for a second.

If it means letting innocent people die in the future by sparing the life of a mass murderer who openly refuses to repent, Superman principles are super... dumb. Which goes back to my point that this whole confinement thing is dumb.

[MFauli]

Just chiming in to say: principles suck. How many people had to die, because Batman keeps locking the Joker up instead of killing him?

At some point you have to look at a villain as some sort of disease: we didn't keep the black plague alive for 'principles'.

[shinta|hikari]

It's not that principles suck. It's that cliche classic superhero principles suck.

[DarthEnderX]

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That guy looks like Lucas from Mother 3! Only, like, 6 feet tall.


It's not that principles suck. It's that cliche classic superhero principles suck.But this IS a superhero series. So it makes sense that that's what they'd have.

[neflight86]

And ripped... In the B&W manga, many folks thought he looked so similar to the "pip boy" mascot from the Fallout video game series that it became his meme name. With blue eyes, its not quite as similar. I wonder how far into the next arc they'll get before the season is done?

[David75]

It's not like multiple rapists, child rapists, killers have been put in jail, got out and starting doing it again almost immediately IRL.
At some point, fiction is only a mild caricature of what happens in real life.

[MFauli]

It's not like multiple rapists, child rapists, killers have been put in jail, got out and starting doing it again almost immediately IRL.
At some point, fiction is only a mild caricature of what happens in real life.

A convicted rapist will get life if he rapes again. How many times did the Joker re-commit crimes? And that's ignoring the sheer scale of their gruesome deeds.

Old-fashioned hero principles only mean that you're okay with more victims.

[DarthEnderX]

A convicted rapist will get life if he rapes again. How many times did the Joker re-commit crimes?To be fair, it's not like Joker get's released after serving out his sentence. He escapes. No matter how many life sentences you give him, he's not serving them.


Old-fashioned hero principles only mean that you're okay with more victims.Those principles are hardly old-fashioned. A lot of comic superheroes still have "no-killing" policies. It's not like kids these days aren't down with the Spider-mans.

And executing criminals is actually the older line of thinking. It's been around since the dark ages. It's not the hip modern way of doing things.

[shinta|hikari]

It's not about executing criminals in general, just the ones that are extremely dangerous and impractical/immoral to keep confined. You can't just apply blanket rules to everything. Judging by each situation, which can vary wildly, is more logical.

[MFauli]

It's not about executing criminals in general, just the ones that are extremely dangerous and impractical/immoral to keep confined. You can't just apply blanket rules to everything. Judging by each situation, which can vary wildly, is more logical.

Exactly. Good posting. 👍

[neflight86]

I thought Batman's (in this example) logic was that unassailable boundaries are what separated him from the supervillains he fought. To kill one would mean he 'stooped to their level', and is no different: doing something he is not authorized in his legal power as a vigilante to do. That the justice system who handles these criminals are both sympathetic enough and inept enough to incarcerate and again lose them again is more in service of the story; if the Joker is a good villain, why kill him?

All for One being alive could be because we was not killed in the arrest. For all we know, he may be on death row. It's been only about a month since the battle. Trials can take months or years to set into motion, and he surely won't be killed while awaiting trial, unless someone took things into their own hands. Due process. You can argue that 'special circumstances' should skirt it (kill him now), but who makes that call, and is that person willing to take responsibility for the legal and criminal consequences? All Might had the best chance to kill him during their fight, but only could muster enough strength to incapacitate him, and the media was watching closely so none of the first responders had a chance to 'accident' him to death, which would have required pre-meditation to begin with.

Clearly the authorities feel confident in his incarceration (auto-guns, brainwave monitoring, ect), so there is no need to kill him if there is any possible usefulness to him being alive like information or the benefits of studying him.

[DarthEnderX]

^ all of that.

Of course, he WILL get out. Because story. But that's the best explanation in-universe.

[shinta|hikari]

Special measures are taken all the time, only covertly. The people on top (or around there) make the call. You'd be naive if you think everything in the world revolves around due process. Even normal people cheat very often (pardons, assassinations, kidnappings, etc.). Just tell the masses All for One died from the complications of his injuries and experimental Frankenstein body.

As for the Hero Academia world, the only reason All for One is alive is to escape later on. He seems as confident in escaping as the authorities are in keeping him locked up.

I mean, are they even sure machine guns can kill him? What if he has a quirk that allows him to turn to smoke? What if he's there to break the other inmates out? Did the authorities not think of that because it is so unimaginable and impossible (except Joker, etc.)?

Also, I never said or even suggested One for All should kill him. Of course he wouldn't, but is the rest of their government so stupid and justice-obsessed too?

[Buffalobiian]

I'm pretty sure you could kill All for One by turning off his life support.

That guy looks like he needs it.

[NeoCybercoin]

You'd think a regeneration Quirk would be one of the first things he took. I mean survivability is important

[NeoCybercoin]

New ep is out!

And man...TinTin has a major drawback to his Quirk.

[Buffalobiian]

As the fight comes down to predicting his prediction, Izuku should have a good time against him once he gains more combat experience.

(though.. you know... if you can't breathe while permeation is active, then you shouldn't talk while your face is emerging from a wall. On the other hand, I greatly enjoyed how his verbalised, named attack was the total fake-out.)

[NeoCybercoin]

Yeah thinking back...he couldn't have been able to talk while he was stick through the wall or ground. Ahh well.

[MFauli]

His quirk makes no sense either way. How can he partially permeate his body without royally screwing up his blood flow?

[DarthEnderX]

Weird place to end the season, but okay.


(though.. you know... if you can't breathe while permeation is active, then you shouldn't talk while your face is emerging from a wall.I assume he's able to have permeation not active on his whole body at once.

[Buffalobiian]

Weird place to end the season, but okay.

I assume he's able to have permeation not active on his whole body at once.

But to talk you can't permeate your thorax.

[MFauli]

BLOODFLOW, guys. Forget about speaking lol

[Buffalobiian]

BLOODFLOW, guys. Forget about speaking lol

To a point I can bend the rules a bit about bloodflow since it's kind of his body, but he doesn't "own" the air in his lungs

[shinta|hikari]

More nonsense from this show.

How is a body blow from some dood who can pass through things knock out Izuku? He is tough enough to resist Bakugo's explosions... No human body can be built enough to compare. Also, why didn't hardbody dood, uh, use his hard body? A body blow would be meaningless against that...

It's like everyone just forgot to use their quirks just because.

Bad writing.

SIGH.

[DarthEnderX]

Great video that breaks down why Bakugo is great:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD87n0WpFvA

[David75]

More nonsense from this show.

How is a body blow from some dood who can pass through things knock out Izuku? He is tough enough to resist Bakugo's explosions... No human body can be built enough to compare. Also, why didn't hardbody dood, uh, use his hard body? A body blow would be meaningless against that...

It's like everyone just forgot to use their quirks just because.

Bad writing.

SIGH.
My bad explanation, with my bad hypothesis:
Permeate your fist some distance into your oponents body. Then un-permeate it when at the right depth.
You get the forward impact deeper, passing through hardening and muscle barriers.
Possibly you get something else from the quick rejection the guy was talking about when you un-permeate inside a solid.

I know it hasn't been explained that way, or explained at all. And no image could lead to what I wrote.

Back to something else: he said he's blind when in permeate mode because his eyes can't bend/capture light anymore.
I'm pretty sure he should also become invisible.

[MFauli]

Great video that breaks down why Bakugo is great:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD87n0WpFvA

One look at his shitty, obnoxious design: redemption failed

[DarthEnderX]

Well, as long as you've thought it through.

[shinta|hikari]

Back to something else: he said he's blind when in permeate mode because his eyes can't bend/capture light anymore.
I'm pretty sure he should also become invisible.

Exactly. And completely soundless too. He'd be the perfect assassin, assuming it's even feasible to move around like that, which it apparently is...

Bakugo is NOT great btw. He's like a shallower Ranta. At least Ranta was never a bully.

[MFauli]

Grimgar's Ranta? Wow, random name drop :D

[shinta|hikari]

I read the light novels. The most recent chapter just got translated a week ago in J Novel Club. Really good stuff, especially if you like Ranta, which I don't, so I skipped his POV chapters.

[neflight86]

64 (season 4 01) is out

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At least they put more effort into this season's recap (last time it was a pool episode).

[DarthEnderX]

Really boring, but that's okay I guess.

[DarthEnderX]

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Togata is either secretly a villain, or he's going to die horribly.

[Munsu]

Second episode was quite good, the villains fighting against each other, and with that level of violence, was great to see.

[neflight86]

Overhaul (love the name) has a point; what is Shigarashi planning to do with his new toys? He's impulsive and lacking guidance right now. I also like that he (Overhaul) is at least half business man, like Yakuza often act under the pretense of being. Though uncommon in shounen, villain groups fighting each other opens the door to more no-holds barred, dishonorable combating with mutilation and death being a matter of course, when the rules of justice and peacekeeping are not in play. Nice change of pace while keeping continuity.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 69

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Hmm.. I'm still a little confused about the specifics of Night Eye's quirk. He says that he can use it for 1hr per day, on one person. So... does he see the next 1hr of that person's life? Or can he watch that person's entire life at will over the next hour (including fast forwarding etc)?

I would have thought the first made sense (that he looks into your eyes and knows right then and there what you'll be going through in the next hour), but then he shouldn't be able to predict All Might dying in the future.

[shinta|hikari]

Latter..

[Buffalobiian]

Latter..

That would make it consistent with how he talked to All Might.

However, that would also mean that he'll know how Deku plays out in the future as All Might's successor.

[KrayZ33]

Yeah, his ability doesn't make much sense.

Seems to me like he can skip "ahead" but can't accelerate what is happening in those "flashbacks" (as he called it)
That's the only thing I could think of to make his quirk work like he said.

[MFauli]

Yeah, I don't like his ability, too. Based on how it was explained he should know *everything*. Lame.

[David75]

When he first used his quirk on Deku and explained how short the timespan was, I immediately wondered why he was able to predict AM's death.
Then I came up with the idea that it might be the more he spends time with someone, the longer the timespan he gets.
It might also be a function on the number of times he uses his quirk on the same person.
My guess is he used it a lot on AM for logistical reasons: By knowing where and when AM fights villains, it's easier to get the police, ambulances and support at the right places at the right time.
But then at some point he's seen AM's death...

And I also understand why he doesn't want to check everyone's future, because he knows some of the heroes present at that meeting will die. He doesn't want to experience it from a first person POV and he doesn't want to feel powerless as he probably never has been able to save someone he saw dead in his visions...

[NeoCybercoin]

Yeah it's a strangely explained ability. I mean he used it on Deku before so he had seen basically his entire life. Now with this operation that is going on, he claims to not know where the base is. Which is bullshit since our MC is Deku and obviously he will be at the base to save that little girl in the end.

[shinta|hikari]

Just because he can see Izuku's entire life doesn't mean he chose to do so at the time. He was only looking at the future relevant to the stamp bet.

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, and he only gets an hour to look through someone's entire life.

You try watching your own life in an hour, see how far you get.

[Buffalobiian]

Yeah, and he only gets an hour to look through someone's entire life.

You try watching your own life in an hour, see how far you get.

Same way you review security footage with limited time: flick through it quickly and when something pops up as being significant you slow down or rewind.

You know the funny thing is, if NightEye had even just read 1minute further during this "fight" with Deku, he would have realised that he was going to give him the stamp lol.

[KrayZ33]

But then he wouldn't have been able to dodge his attacks.

Funnily enough, that would also led him to give him his stamp. Kinda confirming his reasoning that the future he sees can't be changed.

[DarthEnderX]

Same way you review security footage with limited time: flick through it quickly and when something pops up as being significant you slow down or rewind.Yeah, an entire lifetime of security footage.

Even scrubbing though and skipping around, that 50+ years of footage.

[MFauli]

Well, he could look 10 years into Deku's future and see a blank vision. Uhoh :D

[DarthEnderX]

Well, he could look 10 years into Deku's future and see a blank vision. Uhoh :DLol, indeed.

[shinta|hikari]

Episode 73.








I don't understand how characters with quirks unrelated to their physical ability are so freaking strong. Makes One for All look useless if everyone can smash stuff and move like Spiderman anyway.

[KrayZ33]

It's not even close to that level but I get what you mean.

I have no idea why a mere 15kg would throw that copy to the wall and damage the wall to such a degree.
But I guess they had to make him somewhat useful. Toga's movements however seemed to be pretty much in line.
She's basically Rorschach or Batman

Just...hotter.

[shinta|hikari]

Except Izuku is Spiderman, and it's pretty obvious what should happen when Rorschach fights Spiderman.

[KrayZ33]

Isn't Izuku like 1% of One for All?
Either way, I don't even doubt Izuku would beat her in a straight-up fight.
We already saw as much when she fought Gravity and Froggy.

After all Toga's fightning power relies nearly entirely on deception.
Just like Eraser's relies on nullifying a quirk and turning his enemies to normal human beings and using his equipment

If these humans have equipment on their own and are more nimble/agile than him, he's done for and has to rely on others.

In my opinion, the outlier so far (or at least the only one I remember - not going to recall everyone from the exam) is Nighteye alone.
There is supernatural equipment given to them by the mechanics, but he even explained how much these tiny stamps weigh and I simply don't see it working like that no matter what. (unbelievable strength between his fingers aside)
The copy he hit with them must have less mass than a paper ball to fly around like that.

[DarthEnderX]

I don't understand how characters with quirks unrelated to their physical ability are so freaking strong. Makes One for All look useless if everyone can smash stuff and move like Spiderman anyway.It's just your usual shounen martial arts training.

[neflight86]

I just suppose that after generations of quirk manifestation, the average human being constitution is somewhat stronger and more durable than previously. You can add strength training on top of that, so it's always felt easy for me to hand wave; otherwise we're back to 'the first person going through a wall should be dead and dismembered' paradox where the point of animation itself is being removed - to make the fantastical seem not so out of place.

[shinta|hikari]

My gripe with this isn't about realism. It's about power balance and consistency. Izuku, the MC whose quirk is physical enhancement and can bound around a room faster than most eyes can follow, is somehow unable to easily defeat a normal girl with a knife. It doesn't make sense.

[KrayZ33]

From what we've seen, as long as Deku has to concentrate on his quirk while using it, Toga can disappear or hide from him (either by using her quirk or simply her using her ninja techniques depending on whether that's part of the quirk or just an ability)
It's quirk vs quirk. Not quirk vs no quirk or rather - how is Toga a normal girl with stealth stuff like that.

Have we even seen anything that would suggest that Deku can't overpower her with speed or physical ability when his quirk is active? Even when she had him pinned down, he could easily unshackle himself from her hold by sheer power.

[shinta|hikari]

Every time they confront each other without Izuku defeating her instantly is an example of what you are asking for. A superhuman that can zip around a room and smash boulders versus a superhuman with no physical buffs is no contest. This is also why I am unsatisfied with the steal the stamp contest he had, but at least glasses dude had premonition, which made it "barely" believable Izuku couldn't brute force a win.

Also, in the example of Izuku getting pinned down, I also complained about that, saying he shouldn't have been pinned down in the first place or taken that long to escape. It's like getting pinned down by a 2-year-old if you consider their relative strengths. One is just a petite teenage girl, the other is diet Superman.

As for his quirk being inactive being the reason, I also complained about that. Why would he turn it off during an active confrontation with a villain? And he could always just turn it on immediately, like when he was pinned down, but he didn't.

I guess my issue has been consistent from the get go. Izuku is not using his powers properly (which goes against his MC positive qualities of being smart and observant), or even worse, his powers are being nerfed at certain moments for the plot.

[KrayZ33]

So it's about realism after all. (i.e. it took too long for him to escape - even though it was clear that it was for "story/dialogue" reasons)
The situations were explained properly throughout the whole series.

-Deku can't channel his powers non stop even if you'd liked it that way
-He has to concentrate on using his powers, even the amount of power he wants to dish out.

That does explain all the situations you are talking about already.
Including the "being pinned down" part.

You might as well argue about his quirk and say that he shouldn't be able to use that speed due to the amount of damage he'd take when he speeds through everything/the air with 300km/h or that his own reflexes wouldn't be able to keep up with his speed, let or even his thinking - duh.

If Izuku would constantly use all the power available to him, his enemies (and most likely allies) heads and bodies would explode - one punch man style.

[shinta|hikari]

It's not realism but consistency.

Izuku is a smart kid. That's his character, but he does dumb things (or doesn't do the smart thing), as you said, for dialog/story purposes. I personally dislike that. It's like those long dialogues that happen in the middle of shounen fight scenes. I know they are what they are, but I don't like them nonetheless. There are better ways to handle them, like HxH did in certain battles.

Explaining stuff away is certainly possible, but there are degrees to which I am willing to do that. I'm okay with people breaking walls after being thrown at them because that's for effect, but I'm not okay when they present the MC as a smart superhuman but can't even beat a villain whose quirk is not a physical buff. That directly affects the outcome of the story, making the unexpected result feel forced.

I would've avoided their confrontation altogether to make things consistent, but again, plot.

As you know, I am very strict when it comes to these inconsistencies. I understand why they are there. I just don't like it, especially when they could've been avoided by changing the plot a little.

Heck, a short mention of how Mystique uses her shape-shifting power to partially shape-shift her muscle/cell/bone structure into something sorta superhuman would've sufficed.

EDIT:
To add, I've always had this issue with this show, like in the Bakugo vs Izuku fight, and so on. It's not a deal breaker for me, but I do feel I need to mention how it keeps coming up. That said, I've already accepted that this show is what it is in a post a long while back.

[KrayZ33]

I don't think these outcomes were forced at all, because again - it has been explained why they are not.

So... I don't really get your point. This show does a rather good job with people using their quirks in a manner that validates their hero status. When they lack phyiscal power, they make up for it with trickery and smart usage of their quirk - or agility and training... or in some cases, just utility.

Toga being able to tackle down Izuku is in no way "out of line". She'll always have the element of suprise, and that elements is enough for Izuku to lose concentration and control of his power.
Toga could probably even kill Izuku at any time whenever she wants by sneaking up to him.
She only starts being at a disadvantage in prolonged fights as she has to use one trick after the other to make Deku lose control / focus.

So far, this situation has never been shown.

During the exam, she used suprise attack after suprise attack.
At the same time, Deku was able to overpower her grip due to his quirk. It came down to Deku's reaction speed.

When I look at how Nighteye took down his enemy however, I can't see or find any explanation.
He used superhuman strength reserved for certain Quirk users.
It would have been more believable (or "in line") if he used some kind of martial arts that would make his enemy stumble and use his own power against him.
He however, did it out of his own strength - a strength he shouldn't have. That show of force and strength is by far the biggest fail in terms of consistency so far.

[shinta|hikari]

My point is that people with quirks unrelated to their physical strength and speed should be unable to keep up with Izuku's superhuman powers. That's really it. But they do in this show, and always have (like Bakugo not getting knocked out by a single Izuku punch). In that sense, this show is very consistent.

Tackling Izuku was certainly possible by surprise, but pinning him down for that long is purely for dialog purposes. I already mentioned this in my old original post about that episode, but Izuku could've activated his quirk, grabbed her forearm and broken it (or slammed her around for GP audiences). Instead, he sorta just escaped the pin.

The same is true in this last episode. He was surprised by her attack, sure, but Eraser already stopped her powers, and he dodges twice without activating his quirk. Then Toga gets caught by the bandages, and he still doesn't activate his quirk. Then she somehow manages to do an impossible flip (I'm ok with this, this is shounen so whatever), and stabs Eraser in the back, but he still doesn't activate his quirk to go after her.

Sure, maybe he was so shocked he couldn't do a thing. In that case, I'll change my complaint to I dislike incompetent protagonists that can't use their powers at critical moments to change the flow of events for the better.

EDIT:
I totally agree with you about Night Eye. It was just so blatant an example I didn't feel the need to mention it.

[DarthEnderX]

I just realized, Toga collected some of Deku's blood in an earlier arc.

Does that mean, if she ever uses it to try and shapeshift into Deku, she'll slowly start taking One For All's powers?

[KrayZ33]

Did she actually get a hold on his blood?
Wasn't it Ochaco's?

And she can't use the powers either from what we've heard or seen during the provisional license arc

[DarthEnderX]

Did she actually get a hold on his blood?
Wasn't it Ochaco's?She got Ochaco's blood during the retreat arc and used it in the license exam arc. But at the end of the license exam arc, after being around Deku, she had a drop of blood in one of her vials that she was very happy to have gotten. I don't think they expressly stated that it was Deku's, but it was implied.


And she can't use the powers either.Not with her Quirk, but if eating All Might's hair is how OfA was transferred to Deku, couldn't consuming Deku's blood transfer OfA to her?

[KrayZ33]

Not with her Quirk, but if eating All Might's hair is how OfA was transferred to Deku, couldn't consuming Deku's blood transfer OfA to her?

Oh yeah, something like that could indeed happen.

[neflight86]

About the blood, they already covered possible blood consumption in All Might's post Stain debriefing where he assured Midoria he wouldn't lose his powers unless he specifically willed it, meaning this should be covered as well.

Tolerance of Shounen tropes is what it comes down do, and Nighteye stretches that a bit farther than the rest of the fights so far. I also didn't care for his heavy weight stamps, but the author must have thought it would make a cool looking weapon, so here we are...

Just a thought, but one thing that sticks out to me as a bit subversive to shounen about MhA is that the author does very little to quantify how dangerous the characters are aside from their quirks' properties. On the one hand, this makes sense as the fights are predicated on the application of powers and their match-ups/strategies, but can work better (in my opinion) with some more baseline power rankings like Nen and Haki from HxH and OP specifically. By having baseline (relative) power-levels defined for the audience somehow (perhaps just visually), match-ups can serve as the base for the actual tactics, as in a disagvantaged fighter will fight conservatively and so on... As this is, MhA fights can feel somewhat random, or forgone, as the audience has less to speculate. The extreme example of this that I'll always loathe is Fairy Tale, who's cast could have never changed and I'd not know any better, but that's another rant.

[shinta|hikari]

It's not just the objective power levels, but the abilities of each character aren't clearly defined. It will go up or down (or branch out) as the author wills it for the plot.

Izuku can be super smart and calm one moment, only to be a surprised little bunny the next.
Red Riot can be brittle as fuck one moment, and with some guts can withstand many times the punishment just minutes ago.

That said, the audience is expected to tolerate or not even notice these shounen tropes, I think. Pretty sure the vast majority of viewers wouldn't even complain about Night Eyes outlandish strength, much less all the less blatant stuff.

[Buffalobiian]

At first I thought Night Eye used his ability on the dude. Then when he didn't, and it was just "experience", my thought was:

1) O...kay?
2) Eh, whatever.

[DarthEnderX]

About the blood, they already covered possible blood consumption in All Might's post Stain debriefing where he assured Midoria he wouldn't lose his powers unless he specifically willed it, meaning this should be covered as well.Ah! Okay then.

[KrayZ33]

Episode 74

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that stuff was amazing!!
Especially that part with Nemoto pointing the gun at Eri.

Can't wait for next week.
I just hope they can fill next week's episode with action and not too many flashbacks.

[Buffalobiian]

That certainly was amazing.

I was going to harp on about how letting Eri get hit by her own quirk isn't actually all that bad since:

1) it'll end the crisis of having humans rendered quirkless, and
2) will that actually do anything anyway? Eri just got a dose of Eri.

Anyway, I guess there's no guarantee that thingo was gonna shoot anti-quirk bullets (despite how good at predicting Lemillion is), so he did the Hero thing.

[MFauli]

Does anybody actually like these flashbacks? :/

[Buffalobiian]

Does anybody actually like these flashbacks? :/

I don't mind them much

[neflight86]

Remember when shounen flashbacks were 1/2 to a full episode? I'll gladly take two in under seven minutes, as the pacing doesn't really suffer and the character building is worthy the time investment.

[shinta|hikari]

So, is Lemillion permanently quirkless now? What a waste of talent. That said, he should still be a decent hero with his super strength, super speed, high toughness, and prediction ability.

[Buffalobiian]

So, is Lemillion permanently quirkless now? What a waste of talent. That said, he should still be a decent hero with his super strength, super speed, high toughness, and prediction ability.

It would seem so, until they find an antidote for the Eri-blood.

[David75]

Pretty sure Eri is the solution. She will probably be able to control her quirk someday and be able to stop its effects.
She's young and probably has no control over her powers, hence the bullet contraption...

[MFauli]

Real consequences in this anime? Lol

[KrayZ33]

Real consequences in this anime? Lol

Yeah, it's not like people are dying or have to give up on being a hero due to injury or something ... oh wait.

[MFauli]

Yeah, it's not like people are dying or have to give up on being a hero due to injury or something ... oh wait.

Who died and who had to give up being a hero due to injury outside of one op hero who was injured before the anime even started?

[Buffalobiian]

Legboost's brother gave up being a hero because of spinal injuries from Stain.
I can't remember anyone alive at the beginning but is now dead - 7th holder of One for All died but.

[MFauli]

Legboost's brother who? /s

Point is, this anime is less consequential than even Naruto. In Naruto, at least the villains would die (often ...), students died during the chunin exam, jiraiya died in battle, also neji lol. Then stuff like Rock Lee's injury, which, while it was healed, took him out for a long ass time and felt like it was serious.

In BnHA, nothing is of consequence. Almight being injured and on his way out? We knew that from the beginning. The first and only consequential thing would be if Mirio actually lost his powers forever - but 1.) He probably will get them back, and 2.) Does he even need them? LOL

Yes, a series doesn't need characters dying all the time - but this show would absolutely benefit from it.

[KrayZ33]

What the hell...
If you don't even know what happens stop saying as if the thing you made up in your mind has already happened.
The Pussycat-Girl is still out of buisiness and not able to use her quirk, is she not? And "Best-Jeans" or whatever he was called was also stated to not work for much longer anymore.

And just because you forget that there are heroes that can't be heroes anymore, or even the villain that died - even though it was shown in full effect (and was mentioned several times during the last 2 episodes) - doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Stain was introduced with 17 Hero-kills on his name and I don't know how many injuries to pro heroes that lead them to retire early.

[MFauli]

What the hell...
If you don't even know what happens stop saying as if the thing you made up in your mind has already happened.
The Pussycat-Girl is still out of buisiness and not able to use her quirk, is she not?

Who? /s


And just because you forget that there are heroes that can't be heroes anymore, or even the villain that died - even though it was shown in full effect - doesn't mean it didn't happen.

You mean the mindless mutant from s1 that had no agenda of his own and couldn't even speak?


Stain was introduced with 17 Hero-kills on his name and I don't know how many injuries to pro heroes that lead them to retire early.

Exactly, he was INTRODUCED that way. But then we got to see nothing. Nothing happened in the resent.

[KrayZ33]

You mean the mindless mutant from s1 that had no agenda of his own and couldn't even speak?


No - but this pretty much tells me that you simply can't remember shit unless it's being told 20 times in each episode.

So, what's the point.
You want to see main characters being killed, or even better, raped... why won't you just say it - a true Mfauli.

Side characters don't exist for you for some reason. Unless of course it would fit your agenda, since Mirio is just a side character too.

Yawn. - you are boring to talk to.

[MFauli]

Side characters don't matter in this show, why should I care about them? I'd care if one of the classmates died/was raped. But random characters introduced and being forgotten 5 episodes later? Wooooow :/

If I'm boring, BnHA is clinically dead.

[KrayZ33]

As I said, you don't care for side characters unless it fits your agenda. Or is Mirio for some reason a "Main Character" in your book, even though he was only introduced like... 65 episodes in.

Side characters are important to set the mood and build up the world too. That's reason enough to care about them.
Most of the time, in various shows, people think they are more likeable than the MCs too

People care for certain villains too who are nothing but side characters in shows like these.
You do care too in fact, but you chose to forget that because - again - it doesn't fit your current agenda.

What's the point in talking to you about anything. You made up your mind. No matter how dumb or in this case, how strictly and objectively wrong your reasoning was.

[shinta|hikari]

I'd still prefer if one of the main cast of students (or Eraser would be awesome) died or got permanently disabled, but clearly this is not that type of show, and I've made my peace with that. It's a hero story after all, much like Danmachi.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 75

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That was an annoyingly short episode, made shorter because Eri once again went back and decided that the world was better off if she became the core of Chisaki's anti-quirk bullet manufacturing plant. Let's please just focus on fighting now.

[KrayZ33]

Arrrrrgh...

Overhaul is pretty cool.

[shinta|hikari]

I find it laughable that 20% of All Might's power (and consequently speed) can already do that much damage. If All Might at his peak had been there himself, the battle would be done with one smash...

All these other heroes really are shit compared to him.

[MFauli]

For a second I thought Sir was gonna die, but then they mentioned the villain's restore ability. Ok. 🐧

Eri is super annoying. People risking their lives, and then she runs back AGAIN to the villain. Ffs. Someone slap her good pls.

Something that annoyed me, too, and I think shinta discussed it here recently, too: Why can that villain withstand Deku's attacks? Deku's ability is super strength. The villain can destroy and restore, but somehow he gets super strength as a free bonus, because ... otherwise it's be a boring fight, eh?

[KrayZ33]

All these other heroes really are shit compared to him.

haha, pretty late to only realize that now, isn't it
It's been like that (and even told like that inverse) from episode 1 onwards.

I mean... seriously, the quirk itselff makes that clear already.
It's the combined strength of multiple heroes in one person.. and it adds up.


Just like all Villains are shit-tier compared to All for One, basically (for pretty much the same reason)

[neflight86]

Why can that villain withstand Deku's attacks? Deku's ability is super strength. The villain can destroy and restore, but somehow he gets super strength as a free bonus, because ... otherwise it's be a boring fight, eh?

I figured he was taking serious damage and just repairing it quickly, like he did for his lackey. The strength comes from fusing with that same lackey, from the looks of it.

[shinta|hikari]

@Krayz - Okay.

@neflight - But that amount of force delivered in one blow should've killed him, or if Izuku held back, which he probably did, at least knocked him out. His repair ability was not explained to work even when he is unconscious. I know non-quirk abnormal strength/speed/toughness from training is the sub-central conceit of this story though, so it's fine.

[DarthEnderX]

I was going to harp on about how letting Eri get hit by her own quirk isn't actually all that bad since:

1) it'll end the crisis of having humans rendered quirkless, and
2) will that actually do anything anyway? Eri just got a dose of Eri. Like you said, he didn't know what she was being shot with.

But yeah, Eri needs to get that gun and shoot herself. Solves all her problems.


Who died and who had to give up being a hero due to injury outside of one op hero who was injured before the anime even started?This show's got nothing on One Piece.

[David75]

Chisaki is a seasonned brawler, or he appears to be.
When Izuku landed a strike on his shoulder, he saw it coming. My guess is he can activate his quirk right before impact and it somehow works fine.
Chisaki also said it at least twice: Izuku is too easy to read/predict. He's pretty much like Mirio, able to anticipate almost every move around him and activate his quirk accordingly. He also has a very fine and master level control of his quirk in both destruction and repair, it feels like he has two quirks instead of one. Hell, the way he creates those concrete spikes is hero level quirk too. By combining destruction and repair that makes a third quirk.

The awesome quirk user really is Chisaki here, on top of his wits.

[KrayZ33]

I figured he was taking serious damage and just repairing it quickly, like he did for his lackey. The strength comes from fusing with that same lackey, from the looks of it.

I believe it's simply the generic enhanced toughness perk heros and villains get. Just like in the comics.

In Chisaki's case, you could also just assume he fused some tough materials into himself and be done with it.
Though I'm certain he would and probably did heal a broken arm or two with his Quirk. (And certainly did heal 100% when he fused)

In fact, I'm pretty sure Deku's attack even broke his arm @ 11:35 because he ripped his own arm off to reassamble it again a few seconds later.

Super strength itself is something we haven't seen from him though

[MFauli]

Episode 76:

So Chisaki's normal, unprotected body can withstand Deku's 100% punch, only suffering unconsciousness. Ok.

This is a shit presenta, even when citing 'b-but shounen!'.

[Buffalobiian]

Well... that aside, 100% was pretty dope.

I'm gonna say that Deku wasn't the real reason that Night Eye saw a different future, but that Eri's rewinding changed things up. And Eri activating her quirk emotionally as every bit as much to do with Lemillion as it did with Deku.

For "causing self damage faster than I can rewind", he really didn't do much consistent damage. It all came in bursts, and I'm just going to have to assume that Deku's flying required a leg-breaking kick every now and again.

[David75]

My concern is for Eri. She can obviously also be exploited by heroes.

[MFauli]

Actually, Eri will make this anime even less consequential than it already has been: now Almight can be healed :/

Unless Eri dies. Although more likely (because a little girl dying would be way too consequential): Eri loses her quirk at the end of this arc.

[DarthEnderX]

Guys...You Say Run has lyrics...


I'm gonna say that Deku wasn't the real reason that Night Eye saw a different future, but that Eri's rewinding changed things up. And Eri activating her quirk emotionally as every bit as much to do with Lemillion as it did with Deku.I agree with this. His power is a time power, her power is a time power, so her power effected his power.


Actually, Eri will make this anime even less consequential than it already has been: now Almight can be healedMaybe, if she really learns to control her power.

I'm curious though if she might be able to cure his injuries, but he still wouldn't get his powers back because OFA lives in Deku now.

[shinta|hikari]

Can't Izuku just pass it back again?

EDIT:
Watched the episode. How was Izuku flying around like that..? What happened to basic physics..? And how is NightEye still talking with those injuries?

I still have no idea how One for All works and how you "train" to be able to use 100% of it without injuring yourself.

I really hope NightEye died at the last scene. But then again, can't Eri just rewind him..? I hope she can't due to lack of control.

[DarthEnderX]

Can't Izuku just pass it back again?Possibly(unless the quirk itself prevents that). But All Might would probably refuse. He's already passed the torch. He can't take it back now and still call himself a man!

[Buffalobiian]

Watched the episode. How was Izuku flying around like that..? What happened to basic physics..? And how is NightEye still talking with those injuries?

I still have no idea how One for All works and how you "train" to be able to use 100% of it without injuring yourself.

1) When you've got the power of All Might, you can fly by just thrusting your legs at the air to lift yourself.

2) The whole "body adapts to your quirk" thing is vague and just a way to explain why we can't have Deku use All-For-One all the time, but also give him times when he can.

No one explains how Ida's legs reinforced themselves to take on the running forces, or how Bakugo's palms are now resistant to explosions from his years of adaptation.

The whole "Do damage to counter the rewind" maths doesn't work when you actually break it down.

[shinta|hikari]

The whole "Do damage to counter the rewind" maths doesn't work when you actually break it down.

This.

I'm willing to believe people with quirks are immune or have adapted to their own quirks. Doing double jumps is a different level of suspension of disbelief.

As a doctor, would a human being be able to keep conscious and talk with their spine obliterated like NightEye did? I'm genuinely curious.

[Buffalobiian]

https://i.imgur.com/2pb2ipV.jpg



As a doctor, would a human being be able to keep conscious and talk with their spine obliterated like NightEye did? I'm genuinely curious.

Highly unlikely, but not because of his spinal injury.

I'm going to ignore his arm here and focus on his torso.
It's demonstrating a penetrating injury to his upper abdomen / lower chest slightly left of the midline at the level of anywhere from T8 to L2 (see diagram below).




Things I'd expect to be fucked: (and immediate consequence)

-Spinal cord injury and vertebral fractures at the levels between T8-L2 as specified. (loss of lower limb power)
-Aorta penetration. (major blood loss)
-Splenic laceration (major blood loss)
-Penetrating bowel injury (sepsis in hours/days)
-rib fractures (lung injury, poor breathing)

-haemothorax/pneumothorax, possibly haemopericardium (air/blood around lungs/heart possibly causing loss of efficiency if it is minor, to causing a pressure effect and compressing the heart/lungs if major - which would reduce your blood flow and possibly cause respiratory or cardiac arrest)

-Left diaphragm injury (poor air movement)





The major thing here is blood loss. You're going to bleed out like crazy and you shouldn't remain conscious from that. Poor perfusion to your brain reduces your ability to stay awake or think/talk coherently. Further loss means your organs (brain, heart, kidneys, liver) are no longer perfused properly and undergo short or long term injury. Stay shocked long enough and you'll die.


Local effects from a busted lung/heart/ribs/diaphragm are as described above. You might still be able to move enough air past your vocal cords to talk.


Purely from a spinal cord injury perspective, the injury isn't high enough to affect speech. To paralyse your diaphragm you'll need to injure your neck, since the nerves that innervate it come from C3-C5. That said, if you injure the diaphragmatic nerve anywhere through your chest as it makes its way from the neck down to the diaphragm then it could have the same effect regardless of whether your spine is intact.


Your larynx's motor function is innervated by the recurrent laryngeal nerve, which comes off the Vagus nerve. That circuit comes from your brain down your neck to your upper chest and wraps its way back up to the larynx. Injury from maybe T4 and upwards could injure this nerve. A paralyzed voice box due to nerve damage unlikely for Night Eye.

https://i.imgur.com/nw4fNsO.jpg

[MFauli]

https://i.imgur.com/2pb2ipV.jpg



Highly unlikely, but not because of his spinal injury.

I'm going to ignore his arm here and focus on his torso.
It's demonstrating a penetrating injury to his upper abdomen / lower chest slightly left of the midline at the level of anywhere from T8 to L2 (see diagram below).




Things I'd expect to be fucked: (and immediate consequence)

-Spinal cord injury and vertebral fractures at the levels between T8-L2 as specified. (loss of lower limb power)
-Aorta penetration. (major blood loss)
-Splenic laceration (major blood loss)
-Penetrating bowel injury (sepsis in hours/days)
-rib fractures (lung injury, poor breathing)

-haemothorax/pneumothorax, possibly haemopericardium (air/blood around lungs/heart possibly causing loss of efficiency if it is minor, to causing a pressure effect and compressing the heart/lungs if major - which would reduce your blood flow and possibly cause respiratory or cardiac arrest)

-Left diaphragm injury (poor air movement)





The major thing here is blood loss. You're going to bleed out like crazy and you shouldn't remain conscious from that. Poor perfusion to your brain reduces your ability to stay awake or think/talk coherently. Further loss means your organs (brain, heart, kidneys, liver) are no longer perfused properly and undergo short or long term injury. Stay shocked long enough and you'll die.


Local effects from a busted lung/heart/ribs/diaphragm are as described above. You might still be able to move enough air past your vocal cords to talk.


Purely from a spinal cord injury perspective, the injury isn't high enough to affect speech. To paralyse your diaphragm you'll need to injure your neck, since the nerves that innervate it come from C3-C5. That said, if you injure the diaphragmatic nerve anywhere through your chest as it makes its way from the neck down to the diaphragm then it could have the same effect regardless of whether your spine is intact.


Your larynx's motor function is innervated by the recurrent laryngeal nerve, which comes off the Vagus nerve. That circuit comes from your brain down your neck to your upper chest and wraps its way back up to the larynx. Injury from maybe T4 and upwards could injure this nerve. A paralyzed voice box due to nerve damage unlikely for Night Eye.

https://i.imgur.com/nw4fNsO.jpg


AND THAT'S WHY BOKU NO HERO ACADEMIA FUCKING SUCKZ!!1

(amazing posting! 👏👍)

[DarthEnderX]

I'm willing to believe people with quirks are immune or have adapted to their own quirks. Doing double jumps is a different level of suspension of disbelief.Not for me.

Previously, Deku's uncontrolled attacks could blow holes through multiple floors of buildings. That kind of force could EASILY propel two people through the air.

[shinta|hikari]

Only if he is kicking off something... And aerial objects without enough mass won't work as footholds either.

[DarthEnderX]

Only if he is kicking off somethingDo jet planes "kick off something"?

[shinta|hikari]

Are you being serious..?

A jet engine generates thrust by ejecting something in the opposite direction. What was Izuku ejecting..?

[MFauli]

Are you being serious..?

A jet engine generates thrust by ejecting something in the opposite direction. What was Izuku ejecting..?

B-bravery! And courage!!1

[DarthEnderX]

Are you being serious..?

A jet engine generates thrust by ejecting something in the opposite direction. What was Izuku ejecting..?The force from his kick.

I'm not sure how this is confusing. The force from his attacks(just the force mind you, not even the impact) tears holes in buildings.

If you do that while your in the air, it will push you through the air, exactly like how Bakugo does. He's already experienced in using his power to bounce around at angles, and at 100%, all he has to do is throw a kick in the opposite direction he wants to go.

[Buffalobiian]

Not that physics really matters in shounen, but since we're talking about it:


In the first place, the whole premise that you can make a torrent of air from a punch is quite ridiculous, physically speaking.

Air displacement from punching comes in two possible manners:

1) Your punch pushing the air directly in front of your flat fist
2) Your arm moving the surrounding air with it in the form of drag/friction.

Both are relatively minor to be honest. Air like any other fluid moves from areas of high pressure to low pressure, so it'll naturally move away from your direct line of force. Air would have to act like some form of non-Newtonian fluid if a punch was to move any significant air. It's just too thin otherwise and moves around you rather than in front of you.

Air will move in small amounts, but it won't amount to anything.


As for force application:

For a force to be applied somewhere, it has to affect some form of mass. That's Newton's Second Law of Motion. The exception (that is, a force that propagates without any mass) is electromagnetic radiation. If you're thinking big scale, then include gravity.

Jet engines work by igniting oxygen with fuel to create an expansion of carbon dioxide and water. This rapidly expanding mixture is expelled from the rear to create thrust. Forward thrust is created by throwing air out the back. And that's in significant amounts.

Bakugo can change directions in the air via a similar manner. Explosions from his palm produces expanding gasses in the opposite direction, which acts as mini-thrusters. Without that, he'd go nowhere.

Science aside, there are superpowers that let you levitate. And no one gives a shit about conservation of mass for transforming characters so.... yeah....Izuku can fly.. Cool.

[MFauli]

When your punch punches FAST ENOUGH, air got no time to flow around it, thus creating an air turrent that blows forward.

There you got it.

Now about what speed would be required for that ... 🤷*♀️🐧

[Buffalobiian]

I said that it was insignificant. Air also compresses, so it won't just create a giant tunnel in front of your fist. It'll compress, then disperse in all directions, not just flow around your fist.

But let's play with this scenario (as if my fist was a perfect pump):

My fist is 4cm x 6cm in surface area and my arm length is 1m. That gives my arm a displacement volume of 2400cc assuming I punch air in a straight column and it perfectly displaces all that air in a forward thrust. What does 2.4L of air being suddenly displaced feel like?

Let's use something in real life that has a displacement of 2.4L, like a car engine. A 2.4L (typically 4-6 cylinder engine) will displace its engine capacity after 2 full revolutions. Note that 2.4L engine capacity refers to how much air it naturally aspirates prior to combustion. The exhausted volume is larger since it is heated and expanded.

In other words, the exhaust from your 2.4L engine after 2rpm actually overestimates a single punch's displacement. But let's forget that for a bit and say they're equal.

So then, a 2.4L engine revving at 7000rpm would displace the same amount of air from its exhaust as if you punched at 3500 punches per minute. That's some fast punching.

Now put a brick at the end of that exhaust. Not a large one, a small one will do. Now far does that brick move?

Yeah. Air movement during punching is insignificant.

[KrayZ33]

Since this is one of the more active threads I'm going to use it a little bit for something else.

I couldn't access this site for like 4-5 days, now it works again all of a sudden
When I viewed the site for the first time in half a week, weird blue artifacts appeared all over for the first 30 seconds - several times.

The #gotwoot irc channel is dead or something? The link in there leads to a really fishy and most likely infected site too.

I'm confused (and a bit scared) - gotwoot.net was literally the only webpage I couldn't visit.
What the heck.


and...


Are you being serious..?

A jet engine generates thrust by ejecting something in the opposite direction. What was Izuku ejecting..?

Energy or heat or something.. or simply put, his power. It's probably among the most generic ways to travel mid-air in anime.
On top of that, he's had the image of a flipping lightning bolt ever since he gained that aura ability and I think that this makes it clear that he doesn't just "hover" or fly at will in my book.

[MFauli]

I said that it was insignificant. Air also compresses, so it won't just create a giant tunnel in front of your fist. It'll compress, then disperse in all directions, not just flow around your fist.

But let's play with this scenario (as if my fist was a perfect pump):

My fist is 4cm x 6cm in surface area and my arm length is 1m. That gives my arm a displacement volume of 2400cc assuming I punch air in a straight column and it perfectly displaces all that air in a forward thrust. What does 2.4L of air being suddenly displaced feel like?

Let's use something in real life that has a displacement of 2.4L, like a car engine. A 2.4L (typically 4-6 cylinder engine) will displace its engine capacity after 2 full revolutions. Note that 2.4L engine capacity refers to how much air it naturally aspirates prior to combustion. The exhausted volume is larger since it is heated and expanded.

In other words, the exhaust from your 2.4L engine after 2rpm actually overestimates a single punch's displacement. But let's forget that for a bit and say they're equal.

So then, a 2.4L engine revving at 7000rpm would displace the same amount of air from its exhaust as if you punched at 3500 punches per minute. That's some fast punching.

Now put a brick at the end of that exhaust. Not a large one, a small one will do. Now far does that brick move?

Yeah. Air movement during punching is insignificant.

If we could spread the energy put into this posting equally over the forum, gotwoot would be well snd alive!

;p

[DarthEnderX]

Air will move in small amounts, but it won't amount to anything.Unless you punch with the force of a nuke, which OFA does.

Blasting off of thin air is something countless anime have done. If you can't get over it, I'm sorry your brain goblins keep you from enjoying things.

[Buffalobiian]

Air will move in small amounts, but it won't amount to anything.

Unless you punch with the force of a nuke, which OFA does

Even if you do, nothing like that happens.

Nuclear bombs (specifically, ones that rely on fission) release large amounts of energy in the form of radiation.

This radiation heats up surrounding structures (such as air), which ends up expanding in rapid amounts.
Heated air expanding rapidly translates to kinetic energy, pumelling anything else in its way as it expands from its epicentre outwards.

The key here is that air blasts from bombs work because you've just rapidly "created" increased volumes of air by superheating it. The heated air has nowhere to go but outwards, which causes destruction. The volume of air you've just created and displaced is huge.



On the other hand, your punch displaces 2400cc of air.
-You don't magically cause explosions from punching.
-You don't create new volume of air to blow around.
-Air doesn't "stand still like a solid" in front of your fist just because you punched really really fast. Not like this.




As for punching "like a nuke", even if your muscles can generate that amount of force, you're not going to transfer that energy to the air. Numbers aside, transfer of energy from punching happens in the following way:

1) muscles provide force to accelerate your fist.
2) Your fist now carries kinetic energy
3) You transfer kinetic energy from your fist when it hits something else and decelerates.

--That ends up being a person/target if you hit.

-------If you hit early on in your swing and "follow through" with more muscles, you're pretty much giving them a push afterwards. General projectile/kinetic energy transfer formulas don't apply here.

--And when you whiff or hit air, it ends up being your own body's tendons and shoulder girdle.

I had some numbers about the velocity and acceleration your fist would end up sustaining if you applied 88 Terajoules of energy to it, which was the blast yield of Nagasaki's bomb (Fat Man), but in the end punching air fails because of force tranfer, not the numbers themselves so I'll spare you guys.



So like...

1) Fists aren't bombs. They don't create massive volumes of air with nowhere to go but out.
2) Fists don't transfer their kinetic energy to air when you whiff.

And as for


Blasting off of thin air is something countless anime have done. If you can't get over it, I'm sorry your brain goblins keep you from enjoying things.

I totally enjoy watching shows. I accept that his flying right now is pretty bullshit and get on with it.

It doesn't stop me pointing out that if you believe that flying by kicking really hard at the air has basis in physics - it doesn't.


@Krayz33: the gotwoot IRC client is kind of dead, but the current irc channel is
irc://irc.rizon.net/gw

A few of us loiter there. Not sure why the website looked funny for you.

[shinta|hikari]

It doesn't stop me pointing out that if you believe that flying by kicking really hard at the air has basis in physics - it doesn't.


This.

To add, I've always complained about the nonsense physics and biology in this show, so the "what about this other absurd thing?" comment doesn't apply to me. Yes, they are all absurd to me and breaks my suspension of disbelief constantly. I still enjoy the other parts of this show though. I also understand people have varying tolerances for suspension of disbelief, and I am particularly sensitive myself.

[KrayZ33]

I have no idea why someone would try to measure superpowers with physics though (especially Deku's).


But... isn't the speed important too (not just mass)?
Just imagine what would happen if you punch at the speed of light.
It would basically result in nuclear fusion and nuclear explosions.

Air particles can't move out of the way, pressure rises - boom - explosion
Air is basically no longer "air" since the air molecules won't have time to "move around" your fist, you actually hitting them. At that point, shouldn't air be just like a wall?
Similar to how Water is basically concrete if you hit it fast enough.


edit: basically this! Came across this by googling "air punches"
https://what-if.xkcd.com/1/

since I'm curious now, wouldn't hitting air fast enough result in an explosive release of force/gust of wind when the air starts "expanding" in all directions again?
Or wouldn't hitting air that fast suffice as something you can "hit" and suffer recoil from, or how does that work.

Basically, what will happen if I punch at light speed forward and move my arm backwards at the same speed afterwards?

[DarthEnderX]

It doesn't stop me pointing out that if you believe that flying by kicking really hard at the air has basis in physics - it doesn't.
It does in the physics of this show.

His punches shoot wind. Wind strong enough to destroy buildings. The show established this a long time ago. Wind that strong can push someone through the air.

[Buffalobiian]

@Krayz33.

In baseball experiment you proposed, their example suggests that when you punch that fast, you are actually destroying the very atoms of the air as your fist travels through, causing nuclear fusion and release of radiation in a somewhat similar manner to nuclear explosions.

You ask what would happen if your fist travelled at the speed of light? Well.. ^ like that I guess.
A 25kg arm/fist travelling at the speed of light (say 3x10^8m/s) carries the kinetic energy of 1.2 million Terajoules (compared to 88 TJ of Nagasaki's Fat Man).

So.. yeah, I guess if you packed 13000x the power of a nuke into your punch and reached speeds to destroy atomic atoms you'd displace some air. Note that again, this becomes an exothermic nuclear reaction, not "punching air so hard it moves". The air in fact didn't move - that's the point of punching air so fast.

Don't forget Newton's 3rd law, which means that in order to generate that punch you would have sent a similar amount of energy into the ground. I don't know if that means you'll vaporize the ground, or shift the Earth's orbit or.. something hypothetical that I'm not smart enough to figure out.

Your shoes would be fucked though. I know that much.


since I'm curious now, wouldn't hitting air fast enough result in an explosive release of force/gust of wind when the air starts "expanding" in all directions again?
Or wouldn't hitting air that fast suffice as something you can "hit" and suffer recoil from, or how does that work.

Well in my previous car displacement example, I showed what'd happen if your fist was acting like a perfect cylindrical pump and displaced every bit of air it punched at 3500 punches per minute - it would move air, but it wouldn't move a brick.

That's very fast punching. All Might's fight against Nomu used 300+ punches total.

The other examples given here are talking about what'd happen if you punch fast enough to break aerodynamics and destroy the very air you punch.


It does in the physics of this show..

Sure. No argument there then.

Since physics is about observing phenomena, coming up with rules which simulate and explain them in order to predict future case, then everything that happens in here is fine since it's "real" in this world.

[shinta|hikari]

Since physics is about observing phenomena, coming up with rules which simulate and explain them in order to predict future case, then everything that happens in here is fine since it's "real" in this world.

I also agree with this. The "physics" or physical rules in the show are so flexible and vague it's really hard to say something clearly goes against it. Even then, there are some really questionable things, which everyone in this thread have brought up at one point or another.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 77

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Thoughts, MFauli?

[MFauli]

Episode 77

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Thoughts, MFauli?

It only took 3-4 seasons for a single consequential death. Good.

On the other hand, the worst that the villain group has done so far is ... punishing another villain. We sure Shigaraki isn't a hero actually? 👀

[KrayZ33]

Nah, you just forgot about all the other things.
Which is normal, considering the gaps between the seasons and all that.

Since my memory is rather fresh, since I started watching the whole thing 2-3 months ago, I remember that they sent these Nomu things to wreak havoc in the city (injuring who knows how many civilians) and the training camp arc rather well, where they crippled a pro hero (didn't recover yet), injured several other pro heroes (those were able to recover though) and are responsible for All Might's earlier than early retirement.

[neflight86]

I believe the sand hero was killed as well during this attack, but deaths or lack thereof don't really bother me.

Shigaraki is showing his own growth here, is the important thing. He actually is commanding villains now, including the reluctant Spinner, and executing plans.

[DarthEnderX]

Also, he's wearing a cool coat now!

I was expecting them to just use the guy's own cure on him. I guess they're lucky his powers are localized to specific body parts.

I don't like that that cure is still around though...we've already pull the trigger on that particular chekov's gun. I don't need it to continue to be a thing going forward.

[MFauli]

78:

Woah, sand guy is dead? Looks like season 3 is where BnHA actually gets villains doing villains things. Hope it keeps up.

Didn't like the random giant villain, though. "oh btw here's a super powerful guy, but we didn't show you because ... this is an anime!"

[DarthEnderX]

I don't know why the new OP has so much Earphone Jack, but I ain't complaining!


Didn't like the random giant villain, though. "oh btw here's a super powerful guy, but we didn't show you because ... this is an anime!"Dude looks like he's Red Riot's secret brother. Spikey red hair and rocky skin.

[KrayZ33]

I don't know why the new OP has so much Earphone Jack, but I ain't complaining!


The PV to this season did pretty much explain that if you want to find out.
The giant scene was a bit stupid in my opinion. I mean, that thing wasn't exactly sneaking around and they (or more importantly, the observers that spotted the phantom gate guy)didn't see it until it was this close?

[DarthEnderX]

The PV to this season did pretty much explain that if you want to find out.Unless it's going to be a filler arc, no, I don't want to find out.


The giant scene was a bit stupid in my opinion. I mean, that thing wasn't exactly sneaking around and they (or more importantly, the observers that spotted the phantom gate guy)didn't see it until it was this close?Well, we don't know what all his powers are yet. Maybe he has camo or can move underground.

[DarthEnderX]

80

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These sure am some low stakes.

[Buffalobiian]

Camie being part of that group made it all the more enjoyable.

What's strange was that we never even saw the Quirk of the leading kid. He might as well have been a quirkless snob for all we know.

[neflight86]

Being edgy is its own quirk?

Aoyama might be my favorite character I expect to die.

[shinta|hikari]

I hope Bakugo dies.

Shoto <3

[DarthEnderX]

I wonder if Uraraka's body is also incompatible with her quirk, since it gives her nausea.

[Buffalobiian]

I think it's all relative, but Laser Boy seems to have it the worse. He's actively leaking out laser without his belt.

The other guys experience side effects from their quirks, which limits their use to some degree.

-Gravity Girl gets nausea.
-Kakashi gets dry eyes.
-Shoto's ice freezes himself without fire to balance it out.
-Bakugo's glands in his hands get strained from too much use.

There's the "The more I use my quirk, the more negative effects my body suffers" type of kid, then there's "I can't store up my laser without this belt, and after I shoot too much I get diarrhoea" dude where his quirk actively makes his life worse without equipment to keep it in check, let alone use it properly.

[DarthEnderX]

There's the "The more I use my quirk, the more negative effects my body suffers" type of kid, then there's "I can't store up my laser without this belt, and after I shoot too much I get diarrhoea" dude where his quirk actively makes his life worse without equipment to keep it in check, let alone use it properly.
Kinda like the difference between, say, a Spider-Man, and a Cyclops.

[DarthEnderX]

81

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Oh yeah, this is that Earphone Jack content I crave.

Already in love with Gentleman.

[Buffalobiian]

82

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Hahaha.. "My character design won't let me touch the strings." xD

[neflight86]

At least our boy gets a harem part in the dance!

[DarthEnderX]

They shouldn't be enabling his behavior...

[DarthEnderX]

83

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La Brava looks like girl Mineta...

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 84

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That finger flick doesn't even do anything..

Just stick to punching or kicking people in the face. It works better.

[David75]

It's not powerful for the moment, but it gives him a mid range weapon and evolve from close combat.

[DarthEnderX]

That finger flick doesn't even do anything..

Just stick to punching or kicking people in the face. It works better.The point is for it to be a ranged attack for when he can't reach someone to punch or kick them in the face.

But yeah, it's not huge because it's only 20%. The finger flicks he was using back in the tournament were 100%.

[Buffalobiian]

"realistically", 20% All Might should be plenty, and if Deku only ever gets to 50% All Might in all aspects, a 50% of All Might's top power would still flatten everybody out there.

Remember when All Might said he could have finished Nomu in 5 punches but still took 300?

That puts him at 1.6% of his former self. Deku is technically beyond that now, but I guess you can see why the author isn't making him any closer to All Might. Once you get close enough, you're good enough to win against anybody who isn't All for One.

[DarthEnderX]

"realistically", 20% All Might should be plenty, and if Deku only ever gets to 50% All Might in all aspects, a 50% of All Might's top power would still flatten everybody out there. A 20% air blast is not the same as a 20% punch.



Remember when All Might said he could have finished Nomu in 5 punches but still took 300?

That puts him at 1.6% of his former self.That's not really how damage works, because people don't actually function on hit points.

One of Nemu's power was specifically impact absorption. Someone who hits only 1.6% as hard as All Might probably wouldn't do ANY damage to Nemu, so they could hit it an infinite number of times and STILL not defeat it.


Once you get close enough, you're good enough to win against anybody who isn't All for One.Or, ya know, ANY villain who's power doesn't revolve around physical combat.

Like, realistically, if Tomura Shigaraki wasn't a known villain, what would actually prevent him from just walking up to All Might on the street, putting a hand on him, and killing him instantly?

[shinta|hikari]

Usual complaints. Too annoying to list the same shit again.

[KrayZ33]

That episode was better than most, even more so considering the relatively low stakes, the music was cool too.
I also enjoyed the fact that Deku has picked up on the whole thing relatively quick.

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, I appreciate them not making Deku oblivious.

It's too bad the personal stakes for this are so high for Deku, because it's just a big prank to Gentleman.

[Buffalobiian]

A 20% air blast is not the same as a 20% punch.


That's not really how damage works, because people don't actually function on hit points.

One of Nemu's power was specifically impact absorption. Someone who hits only 1.6% as hard as All Might probably wouldn't do ANY damage to Nemu, so they could hit it an infinite number of times and STILL not defeat it.

Or, ya know, ANY villain who's power doesn't revolve around physical combat.

Like, realistically, if Tomura Shigaraki wasn't a known villain, what would actually prevent him from just walking up to All Might on the street, putting a hand on him, and killing him instantly?

My 20% comment wasn't at the flick specifically. Deku can activate 20% for short periods of time. Anything he does during that time should be amazing.

As for Impact Absorption, that's specifically why All Might's attack worked. All Might specifically said that he was able to overcome it because it wasn't nullification but absorption. Nomu just had a huge extra shield HP specifically for impact damage, and once that was drained it effected his own physical wellbeing.

[KrayZ33]

Episode 85

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That episode was amazing and exceedingly sad.

The music kicked in again.

Best villains so far.

[David75]

In the end Gentle Criminal wanted to enter UA but to do what ?
Just to prove he was able to do it ?

Also he just happens to have an incredibly useful and convenient quirk but is just unlucky/unable to use it as a hero... so why not try to be a villain ?
Well it's true that even Izuku was able to use the remaining air membranes a lot better than GC himself...
But there's a gap beetween hero and villain.

[DarthEnderX]

Girl Mineta Minetas even HARDER! Stalk those boys you little weirdo!

[NeoCybercoin]

Episode 86

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Pretty much a feel good episode. And it did. Also made me remember that Toru's ability is also partially light control since she made her clothes dazzle like that.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 87

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It's so weird. Endeavor looks like he's had a small trim to his beard, and his face looks SO much weaker without it.

[neflight86]

I wanna see the washing machine fight a dryer themed villain.

[NeoCybercoin]

Ep 88.

This is so fucking good for a last episode of the season.

[David75]

My thoughts exactly

[DarthEnderX]

I didn't know that it was going to BE the last episode, but yeah, they definitely ended on a climax, which is weird considering there wasn't really any kind of arc leading up to it.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 87

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It's so weird. Endeavor looks like he's had a small trim to his beard, and his face looks SO much weaker without it.

I take it all back Endeavor. You're the fucking boss.

[neflight86]

Good finale. It's interesting how many people on the internet (where you can find validation for really ANY opinion) are always 'cautiously apprehensive' about praising Endeavour due to Todoroki's traumatic experience. Take the good with the bad; people can be complicated.

[DarthEnderX]

I ain't cautious about shit.

He's necessary right now. But he's still a complete piece of shit. And as soon as the next generation is ready to take over, he'll hopefully die horribly.

[Buffalobiian]

He's a great hero and a shit dad. That's fine.

Michael Jackson was a great musician and has a sketchy reputation around children. I still like his music all the same and he deserves any music award he's gotten.

[DarthEnderX]

Michael Jackson was a great musician and has a sketchy reputation around children. I still like his music all the same and he deserves any music award he's gotten.And also his early removal from the world.

[neflight86]

Characters and actual human beings are, of course, different, but I try to view characters in a similar lens. We only 'see' a very small portion of their lives and character, which lends itself to a reductive view of them an a entity. That's a documented flaw in human psychology- we lessen our cognitive burden by boiling down character perception with the bare minimum of information we need to form an encompassing opinion about someone. It's why I would argue we're very poor judges of character more often than not.

I would argue Endeavour isn't even a particularly 'bad' dad, either. His kids are fed, clothed, and pretty well off seemingly. His wife (suffering from his abuse, I know) is getting treatment at a mental care facility, and he has made steps to reconcile- he is trying harder than some broken families I've heard of.

Are there some transgressions that are beyond redemption (harming women and children); is that why people are so judgemental about this particular character? I admit that his characterization is a bit more complicated, it is revealed, than we typically get in the good versus bad shounen landscape, but these grey characters are becoming a bit more common. I'll also admit I have a soft spot for the theme of redemption in general, as a christian.

[DarthEnderX]

Are there some transgressions that are beyond redemption (harming women and children); is that why people are so judgemental about this particular character?I mean, I don't want to SAY that some things are beyond redemption, because then there's no reason for those people to stop being awful and try and redeem themselves. So I'll say nothing is beyond redemption, if only to trick those people.

But...some things are beyond redemption. You want to do good things from now on, cool. You can go on living then. But don't ever expect me to give you a thumbs up and a smile.

[KrayZ33]

I always wondered why the public doesn't hate him for that.

More or less, Heroes are the famous people of our world. If someone like that abuses his children and word came out (and I'm sure word will come out when someone is constantly exposed to the public like that) they would get shit for that (rightfully so)

[shinta|hikari]

Probably got treated as fake news by his manager or agency.

[Buffalobiian]

I always wondered why the public doesn't hate him for that.

More or less, Heroes are the famous people of our world. If someone like that abuses his children and word came out (and I'm sure word will come out when someone is constantly exposed to the public like that) they would get shit for that (rightfully so)

I actually dislike how our current world does this.

If the hero mistreats his children, you can give him as much shit for it as you want, but it shouldn't lead to things like denying him work or necessarily tank his "hero rating" if it was based on hero work ethic and merit.

[DarthEnderX]

I always wondered why the public doesn't hate him for that.

More or less, Heroes are the famous people of our world. If someone like that abuses his children and word came out (and I'm sure word will come out when someone is constantly exposed to the public like that) they would get shit for that (rightfully so)I'm just assuming that word hasn't come out.

Lots of famous people have shit in their personal lives that becomes public, but just as many have shit in their personal lives that doesn't.


If the hero mistreats his children, you can give him as much shit for it as you want, but it shouldn't lead to things like denying him work or necessarily tank his "hero rating" if it was based on hero work ethic and merit.Hero rating is expressly NOT limited to work ethic and merit. Fan approval is taken into account, and people finding out you're a scumbag is going to tank your approval rating.

[MFauli]

And also his early removal from the world.

Oh boy ...

[KrayZ33]

The second movie has been available for some time now and aside from the very end where they went with your typical non-canon superpower up, the fighs and animation looked amazing and fresh.

I loved the villains style(s) and fight choreography has been *amazing* at times. The shield + laser finger combination was so much fun to watch, especially since he used the shield to push shit around and stuff.

Super cool, fluid and natural.

Other than that, obviously a generic movie but still entertaining.

I actually thought that up to a certain point, this movie could easily be considered "canon" and part of the U.A students growth. Like.. a real arc.
They would just have had to change the ending (basically everything after the psy-strom tornado scene). Yes, the villains would have needed more background too.

[DarthEnderX]

What's the deal with these two episodes that just showed up on Horriblesubs?

[KrayZ33]

Plan to watch them this week. Seems like some kind of OVA in 2 parts about a training session that becomes serious (like pretty much every arc so far, lol)

[DarthEnderX]

I watched em.

I thought the huge orbs on Froppy's hat were lights. Either they aren't, or the writers forgot.

Edit: Apparently they're just goggles. But I've never seen her wear them, and they wouldn't cover her eyes if she did.

[KrayZ33]

Meh, if it was canon, I can understand why they left it out.

[Munsu]

Finally caught up.

Liked Overhaul as a villain, wish to have seen more of him. The Lemillion episode was awesome, probably one of my all-time favorite shounen fight episodes.

The episodes after this arc were pure shit. The concert was an incredible waste of an opportunity, they should've gone all-out and given us some Suzumiya Haruhi's God Knows-like type of thing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fcci2J3RGA

Gentle Criminal, didn't care for his arc, but felt sorry for the dude in the end and La Brava. Wouldn't mind to see more of them in the future, but after Overhaul he was just a waste of an arc all told.

Don't mind that Nighteye died, but was disappointed that he did so while Deku was into his early training... didn't really learn anything from him. If we go by how Lemillion developed to the point he can fight this well quirkless, it would've been great to see Deku gaining some of that before Nighteye died.

Also hated, if I recall correctly, that he was practically ignored when the Hero Rankings came out. All the top heroes talked about All Might and how he was going to be replaced, but there was literally no mention of Nighteye (his former partner). I would've thought an actual death of an high ranking active hero would've had more impact between them.

Lastly, the last episode had another great fight with Endeavor and Hawk.

Still need to get through the extra episodes, and next season should be out in a few months.

[Munsu]

Well, just a reminder that we're 2 days give or take from the start of the new season.

[DarthEnderX]

Good. I'm sad to see this season end...so many shows I was watching at once...

[Munsu]

Good. I'm sad to see this season end...so many shows I was watching at once...

Yep, it was a very good anime season, but I think this one will be quite good as well.