Boku no Hero Academia

[Buffalobiian]

I did, since literally the only thing she could use her powers on besides Bakugo is the ring

I would have made the pieces of tiles light, then pegged them at Bakugo. I don't know if lightening up things also removes their momentum though, or just gravity's effect on them.

[David75]

Ochako's power would be nice if she could also change direction / speed of the objects some time after she touched them. Even if "pre-programmed"

In her fight with bakugo, instead of having the rocks just fall, she could have had them coming from many different angles/directions even from behing and low trajectory.

From bakugo's perspective, that rock fall was a nice setup to show his incredible firepower.

[NeoCybercoin]

She can't use angles with her power. It's just turning gravity on and off. So it either goes up...or down.

[neflight86]

I don't think her power would be very effective on Bakugo if he could already control flight via explosions anyway, but good shounen try nonetheless. I like that he finally used her name once she joined the teamwork, friendship, and victory club. Also good humor for Eraserhead to call out some rando hero in the audience that happened to complain about Bakugo using too much power.

Deku earned a not very veiled threat from the No. 2 hero to lead into the next battle. Hype!

[Kraco]

Getting Bakugo weightless would have been effective. He has never experienced such a state and the arena is not large for a flying person. Every time he had attacked, he would have also needed to compensate in the opposite direction, perfectly, lest he would have found himself floating in some direction or even spinning. If Ochako had then managed to take the fight near the arena boundary, it would have been quite possible indeed to manage to get Bakugo over the border.

But to be realistic, the poor girl had at most a 1 in 10 chance to beat a dude like that. Her power isn't really the perfect one for solo fights.

[MFauli]

What?!

Being weightless would have only made Bakugo stronger. Then he´d only have to use his ability for direction corrections, instead of using enough power to get his whole body up in the air. He probably couldn´t feel luckier than being weightless.

[Kraco]

You seem to assume he has been spending a lot of time on some space station in zero gravity to acquire such a skill. You wouldn't talk like that if you had ever played a space simulator with realistic physics. It's a pain in the ass to try to move sensibly without using computer aided stabilisation. He would be spending most of his brain processing time on that, leaving more openings for Nice Person to exploit.

[Ryllharu]

But to be realistic, the poor girl had at most a 1 in 10 chance to beat a dude like that. Her power isn't really the perfect one for solo fights.
This.

This is what some people don't seem to get. We've bitched about how the entrance exam and sports festival are both extremely unfair and biased towards students like Bakugou, Todoroki, and even Deku.

Or is it?

Deku passed the exam by defending Ochako. He acted like a hero, even if he sucked at defeating grunt enemies. Ochako was totally outclassed. But what did she actually do? She held off an overwhelming superior foe for well beyond what anyone would expect her to, in a scenario where she had zero advantages. That's plenty of time for non-combatants to evacuate, or backup to arrive.

And what did Bakugou do? He fought an extremely tenacious enemy, who was determined to take him down, and showed restraint with powers that most would never believe could be used without killing his opponents. He exhausted and subdued her in a controlled manner, very unlike Todoroki's angry outburst that even froze some of the audience.

This was actually a win for both of them.

Stop looking at this series like it is traditional shonen, Naruto, Bleach, or Hunter x Hunter style. There's some really subtle subversion constantly throughout this series so far. From Deku finding out that he is worthy (always was when you look back), Bakugou grappling with destructive power and wanting to be heroic with it, Ochako and Mount Lady only in it for the money, and challenging the definition of what actually defines a hero in a world where everyone is special?

[MFauli]

You seem to assume he has been spending a lot of time on some space station in zero gravity to acquire such a skill. You wouldn't talk like that if you had ever played a space simulator with realistic physics. It's a pain in the ass to try to move sensibly without using computer aided stabilisation. He would be spending most of his brain processing time on that, leaving more openings for Nice Person to exploit.


This is Boku no Hero Academia. Bakugo wouldn´t even spend a second "figuring it out". It´d be second nature from the go.

@Ryll: I couldn´t disagree more. There´s NOTHING subversive about this anime. Ochako is in it for the money? Yes, because she wants to help her parents. That´´s no more subversive than Leorio being in it for the money ... so he can become a doctor to save peoples´ lives. And if you want to make blanket fanboy statements, leave out HXH from your lists. There´s no more subversive, non-standard shonen-series out there. Which is because it´s actually seinen, no matter what MAL might say.

[DarthEnderX]

This is Boku no Hero Academia. Bakugo wouldn´t even spend a second "figuring it out". It´d be second nature from the go.Or the very first time he makes an explosion while weightless it sends him rocketing out of bounds.

[Buffalobiian]

Don't forget that with every move he makes he'd have to be prepared for Ochaco to cancel that levitation and send him tumbling back to earth. You guys are making it sound easier than it is.

[MFauli]

In this very episode, they said how incredibly fast Bakugo´s reaction is. He´d have no problem reacting to any sudden changes.

[Kraco]

Nah, she wouldn't have canceled the antigravitation. If Bakugo was high in the air, he would slow down his fall using his own power, if he wasn't high, he would suffer no damage from the fall. Ochako's best bet was Bakugo losing control and having to spend most of his effort in controlling his movements at the expense of being able to attack. In the first place her only chance of winning was to get Bakugo out of the arena. There was no other even remotely plausible method for her. For that to happen, she needed to get him in the air.

[NeoCybercoin]

Latest ep is out.

That was pretty epic.

[DarthEnderX]

23

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Hell yeah that was epic!

Didn't expect Deku to lose before facing off against Bakugo, but shit, I can't imagine he'd have been able to fight any more matches after that one even if he did win.

Now that the main character has been eliminated though, I'm fully expecting some bullshit to interrupt the tournament before the end.

[NeoCybercoin]

If you watch the previews then it can be interrupted but why would they stop just because the main char is out?

[DarthEnderX]

I'm kinda curious what would have happened if cement guy hadn't thrown a bunch of walls up between their attack. Given that Deku's attack is the more direct, physical one, I wonder if that interference might not have cost him the fight.

Alternatively, it might have just been the only thing that kept them from both dying.


If you watch the previews then it can be interrupted but why would they stop just because the main char is out?I'm not saying the characters would end the tournament because Deku is out. I'm saying that the rest of the tournament is no longer important to the main story, so it doesn't really matter how the rest of it goes, so I'm fully expecting a Chuunin Exam/Hunter Exam/Every other Dragon Ball tournament-type thing where you don't get to see the end because some outside force or disaster interrupts the tournament.

[shinta|hikari]

Izuku is a fucking idiot. If he can slowly grasp his power while losing fingers like that, why didn't he practice it more when he isn't in a critical match? Since they have recovery girl, he should use smash at least a few times a day and get her to heal him, then do that as often as possible. Then maybe he would've grasped how to use it sooner. Instead, he trains his body, even though it's a (nonsensical) band aid which works by making his body tougher to resist his failed smashes. He should be improving his control instead. Recovery girl's powers are basically limitless except for the person's stamina, so he should at least make sure to maximize his to train.

And don't give me bullshit about learning faster while in combat. That's nonsense and not how training works. Even if it did, actually training before an event is still beneficial and should be done.

[Buffalobiian]

Overall I agree with you Shinta. If the primary reason for Izuku's injuries is that 'his body isn't used to his quirk', then the answer is to use his abilities as much as possible. All Might has never actually come out to say "You know what, if I go all-out I'll damage my body too." That guy just does things, we we'll never actually know whether control vs endurance would be beneficial for Izuku long-term. Short term it's control, no doubt about that.

Shoto kicks ass with his fire. I'm pretty sure he'd own Bakugo with that. The fire pretty much negates any side-effects of his freezing and vice versa. Meanwhile, Ochaco's meteor shower already stressed Bakugo's explosive ability without his suit.

I'm pretty sure Izuku can go all out against a person and not kill them. Assuming their explanation was correct, the reason he came out unscathed after punching Nomu was because he subconsciously held himself back, not because Nomu absorbed the shock. If that's the case, just rely on that. Izuku wanted to beat the shit out of Nomu at the time anyway, so any attack on a classmate can't be any more devastating when you think about it.

[shinta|hikari]

Well he can't really test your theory because recovery girl can't resurrect scraps of meat, IIRC.

He should at least train his smash on robots or mountains or something.

Also, the way he approached the match was stupid. Why did he decide on an endurance fight when he had no idea what Shoto's limitations are? If you have little info, you work with what little you have, not naively hope you learn something while sacrificing your body parts.

Izuku should've dashed forward while using his smashes to get closer to Shoto and use a smash (a stomp or a ground punch) to blast scarface out of the arena. His rear ice protection will do nothing if Izuku destroys the very ground it is attached to... But yeah, typical for this show, it is again drama over logic.

That said, the shounen heart was nice in this episode again.

[MFauli]

Fantastic animation and enjoyable to watch, but yes, Midoriya´s strategy made no sense at all. Betting it all on endurance?! Even if one can assume that stamina is of importance, why would you risk an endurance match when you can only attack as many times as there are fingers on your hands? It´s unrealistic to just assume that Shoto could only use 10 ice blasts, beause that´s how many fingers you have. :/

The opposite of endurance would have been Midoriya´s best shot: Use a couple of consecutive All Might-attacks to completely overwhelm him. First attack cancels his attack, second attack forces him into defense, third attack knocks him off the stage. And if finger attacks aren´t enough for the last one, this is where you use you full-arm swing attack. DONE.

Any other strategy is Shoto´s to win. Who wasn´t the brightest, too. Why did he only use straight-forward ice blasts? He could have done a double attack where two ice blasts approach Midoriya from left and right side. Only one could have been negated, the other one would have been guaranteed to hit him.

Oh well. Yes. Drama over logic. Kinda sucks. But I'm used to it by now ... I think.

[shinta|hikari]

How can Shoto attack from 2 directions? AFAIK he can only produce ice from his body. If he makes it snake around, then it'll take too long to reach Izuku and he can just run away. Not only that, he'll have to produce a lot more ice.

[neflight86]

Rip-roaring ep that amped the animation up at the end to get the satisfying final clash, even if the fight that proceeded it was largely static cut aways to interject back story into.

I like how hard guy isn't phased by Bakugo's... personality anymore. He really did make a friend!

[MFauli]

How can Shoto attack from 2 directions? AFAIK he can only produce ice from his body. If he makes it snake around, then it'll take too long to reach Izuku and he can just run away. Not only that, he'll have to produce a lot more ice.

Says the guy defending his own theory with "And don´t give me that bullshit about ...", lol. I find it hard to believe that Shoto cannot cast ice any way he wants. Same with flames.

[David75]

Todoroki's starts from his body and moves in a continuous path from there.
We've never seen him cast ice or fire at a distance without some contact with his body.

Since it's a continuous path, on a short distance at ground level on earth, a straight line is the shortest and fastest way to get to his oponent.

A surprise attack might be to tunnel his ice underground and upercut from under his oponent's feet ?
But it seems Tadoroki can't hide it when he activates his power. And it's not sure he can finely control it.

[shinta|hikari]

MFauli, step back and use your memory a little.

[MFauli]

I have a hard time believing that Todoroki cannot change the ice´ direction. Makes no sense. He can clearly freely control the ice, at times it´s just a thin layer on the ground, then it grows big at from the ground at the far away edge of that thin ice layer. It´s not like he creates ice ready in front of him and moves it via telekinesis, no, he controls the ice. Logic dictates that he can change the ice' direction.

[DarthEnderX]

I will say, I DID think it was kind of BS when Deku was all "Well, I ruined all my fingers and can't attack anymore. But I can EXTRA ruin them for more shots! I'll just keep changing my finger colors as I need more shots!"

[shinta|hikari]

I have a hard time believing that Todoroki cannot change the ice´ direction. Makes no sense. He can clearly freely control the ice, at times it´s just a thin layer on the ground, then it grows big at from the ground at the far away edge of that thin ice layer. It´s not like he creates ice ready in front of him and moves it via telekinesis, no, he controls the ice. Logic dictates that he can change the ice' direction.

Of course he can change the ice's direction. Read David's post. What he cannot do is make it appear away from his body without a connection, so the source will always be him. That's why having ice snake around to flank Izuku is a slower attack and uses more ice (and most likely focus) than his straightforward attack, which was already extremely effective because it forced Izuku to use up his body parts. Shoto just didn't think Izuku can cheat by reusing fingers.

[MFauli]

Todoroki didnt even know about Midoriya´s damage at first, so that´s not a valid argument. And I don´t see how two ice blast from the side would have been significantly slower.

This is such a weird argument. One time you complain about how this series forsakes logic in favor of drama, then you whip out your very own pseudo logic to explain why something isn´t possible. To which I gravely disagree. Nothing indicates that Todoroki couldn´ t create to quick ice blasts from the sides. Í´m sure he can also freely control fire blazes and quickly so, too. We won´t find out, because the fight´s over.

[Kraco]

It kind of feels like Izuku won this fight despite losing it and turning all purple. He won the hero part of it if nothing else. He even healed Todoroki's mind partially. The audience was also majorly impressed simply because he could offer such a major resistance and finally forced Todoroki to use fire. Not to mention the last explosion forcing even the staff to interfere. Still, while Todoroki gave the impression of being already more ready for hero work than many pro heroes, Izuku surely won't give that impression by his self-mutilating power use.

Talking about Izuku's lack of interest in control is useless talk at this point considering that has been evident from the beginning of the show. He never gave it any thought. It's like he assumes one day he will just wake up in the morning perfectly in control of the power.

[shinta|hikari]

Nothing indicates that Todoroki couldn´ t create to quick ice blasts from the sides. Í´m sure he can also freely control fire blazes and quickly so, too.

This is the problem with your argument. Nothing indicates that Todoroki COULD create two quick ice blasts from the sides (read: ice blasts originating away from his body without part of it connected to him). All of the ice attacks shown so far ALWAYS start from his body, therefore it is logical to assume that is his limitation. Otherwise, he would've been shooting spikes from directly underneath Izuku.

Saying that just because there is no evidence he CAN'T do it means he CAN do it is like saying that aliens/god exist because we can't prove that they don't.

[DarthEnderX]

It kind of feels like Izuku won this fight despite losing it and turning all purple. He won the hero part of it if nothing else. He even healed Todoroki's mind partially. The audience was also majorly impressed simply because he could offer such a major resistance and finally forced Todoroki to use fire.Indeed. If the real point of the tournament is to impress people, he showed that he's pretty much even with Todoroki. So if Todoroki goes on to win, that makes Deku look good as well, even if he lost in an earlier round.

[MFauli]

This is the problem with your argument. Nothing indicates that Todoroki COULD create two quick ice blasts from the sides (read: ice blasts originating away from his body without part of it connected to him). All of the ice attacks shown so far ALWAYS start from his body, therefore it is logical to assume that is his limitation. Otherwise, he would've been shooting spikes from directly underneath Izuku.

Saying that just because there is no evidence he CAN'T do it means he CAN do it is like saying that aliens/god exist because we can't prove that they don't.

He filled the entire stadium with ice up high into the sky in the blink of an eye in his fight against cannonfodder guy. Again, your argument is inconsistent. You complain about lack of logic in some aspects, but not in others. Going by what we´ve seen, I claim that two of those small ice blasts would be possible and wouldn´t be any slower. We´ll have to wait and see. If we see it some time in the future, do you agree that this would have been a much better strategy for Todoroki?

[Ryllharu]

Shoto kicks ass with his fire. I'm pretty sure he'd own Bakugo with that. The fire pretty much negates any side-effects of his freezing and vice versa. Meanwhile, Ochaco's meteor shower already stressed Bakugo's explosive ability without his suit.
Don't be so sure. Bakugou's power comes from sweat. Any heat Todoroki puts out it only going to help Bakugou. Explosions can also give him a temporary safe bubble in the flame. Ochako stressed his power because he blew up all the chunks at once.

[shinta|hikari]

He filled the entire stadium with ice up high into the sky in the blink of an eye in his fight against cannonfodder guy. Again, your argument is inconsistent.

No, yours is. Filling the entire stadium with ice is still an attack that originated from his body. It's actually the very basic frontal attack he used against Izuku but at full force.

Let me put it a different way. Have you ever seen Shoto create ice that originate away from his body? To be clear, this means there is no ice link between the long distance attack and Shoto himself.

Also, your strategy is terrible. If Shoto can make ice pop up from anywhere, the best place to attack from is right underneath Izuku. Why? Because he can't see it coming and can't use smash to cancel it because it literally is freezing his feet to the ground instantly. He'd destroy his own feet if he tried to get free.

[MFauli]

Ofc Midoriya would see ice coming from below, because Todoroki cannot create ice at remote places out of nowhere, it has to travel from himself as we´ve seen in this fight.

However, you really have to explain your logic how it makes sense that he can only create ice in a straight line. Again, we saw that he needs to have the ice "travel", in form of a thin layer on the ground. From that connection, he can then unleash an enormous amount of ice in an instant. So, what logic would dictate that ice can only grow in a straight line from himself? If he can control ice to the extent where he can have it travel forward, I don´t see why he couldn´t make it do a left turn.

I mean, at the end of the day, we can only keep makin assumptions, but I find it a nonsensical assumption. I figure it works almost like Sasuke´s Amaterasu, except Todoroki has to have a starting point.

[David75]

You forgot speed. Turns need time and probably fine control, also adding time.
Tadoroki was not able to freeze Deku even with the fastest attack. Slower ones were not an option.

[MFauli]

His fastest attacks didnt hit because Midoriya used All Might to counter them. In terms of speed, they were fine. And I once again doubt that turning ice blasts would be that much slower.

Btw. his name is Todoroki. You´re probably thinking of a certain cute blue-haired girl that knows how to cook.

[shinta|hikari]

I never said ice could only travel in a straight line. I just said curves took longer to hit and used more ice, which are both logical assumptions.

Take note, I've always stated that his power is limited by ice originating from himself. So did David. You were the one insisting on ice blasts coming from the "sides." It wasn't clear if you meant they appeared away from Shoto or not. See quote below.


Says the guy defending his own theory with "And don´t give me that bullshit about ...", lol. I find it hard to believe that Shoto cannot cast ice any way he wants. Same with flames.

Cast any way he wants implies he can just conjure it up anywhere.

And if you were specifically addressing the straight line vs curved attack, David has already mentioned that, and I agreed with him. It is essentially the second sentence of this post, but I'll repost it here.


Of course he can change the ice's direction. Read David's post. What he cannot do is make it appear away from his body without a connection, so the source will always be him. That's why having ice snake around to flank Izuku is a slower attack and uses more ice (and most likely focus) than his straightforward attack, which was already extremely effective because it forced Izuku to use up his body parts. Shoto just didn't think Izuku can cheat by reusing fingers.

So your post (see below), which was posted after the quote above, is utter bullshit.


However, you really have to explain your logic how it makes sense that he can only create ice in a straight line. Again, we saw that he needs to have the ice "travel", in form of a thin layer on the ground. From that connection, he can then unleash an enormous amount of ice in an instant. So, what logic would dictate that ice can only grow in a straight line from himself? If he can control ice to the extent where he can have it travel forward, I don´t see why he couldn´t make it do a left turn.

Really. How the hell did you come to the above conclusion? LOL.

[MFauli]

So attack speed is your argument, then? Still disagreeing, since Todoroki has shown to create ice blasts pretty much instantly. A curve shouldn´t take significant more time. My assumption.

[shinta|hikari]

Not exactly. I don't understand why you don't seem to read the entire post before replying, but I'll repeat and break it down here anyway.

Curved attacks have certain disadvantages to straight on attacks because:
1) They cover more distance. This is unavoidable. If straight is almost instant, then a curve will no longer be almost instant. It may even be slow enough for Izuku to see and dodge.
2) They use more ice, therefore freezing Shoto faster.
3) They use more control, and therefore focus. This can delay the attack's activation or increase the margin of error.

To add, you are not only asking Shoto to shoot curving ice spikes. You are actually saying he should do two simultaneous attacks, one from each side. That ups the difficulty significantly. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen Shoto shoot out two attacks going in different directions at the same time

These are all deductions based on simple logic and physics. It is true that none of these are explicitly mentioned in the show, but they have more evidence supporting them than your assumption that "Todoroki has shown to create ice blasts pretty much instantly. A curve shouldn´t take significant more time."

[Kraco]

There's nothing instantaneous about his ice power. A gun would be instantaneous. For example a regular 9mm pistol would have a muzzle velocity of 350m/s, and if for simplicity's sake we assume the bullet speed doesn't drop too much, then if the dudes were 15 meters apart, it would take the bullet 0.04s to cross the distance. The human brain, and especially the Deku brain, can't do shit in 0.04 seconds, so it's an instant. However, in this fight's case Izuku could afford to wait until Todoroki attacked and then counterattack. In other words he already had all the time in the world as far as the time needed is concerned. If Todoroki had used a fancier attack using even a bit more time, Izuku would have delivered his own attack instead. When Todoroki finally got slower due to freezing himself, Izuku found the opportunity.

[MFauli]

shinta, everything you just listed is a mix of your own assumptions and flimsy (at best) arguments based on physics, which I strongly disagree with in terms of how significant those would come to cause. Understand this: I agree that a curved attack would take more time than an attack in a straight line. However, I also think that we´d be talking a difference in the microseconds, not even miliseconds. Basically: A curved attack would take longer, but in a magnitude that´s not measureable. This is where you disagree and say that there´d be a time delay so big that Midoriya would be able to easily dodge.

Edit: Oh nice som Hitler-asshole wrote a harrassing comment in my reputation comments-section. Classy.

[shinta|hikari]

At least I based my assumptions on physics and logic. You based your assumption on... your imagination?

[MFauli]

I based mine on physics and logic, too. It´s kinda hard to claim that for yourself when we´re talking about somebody who can create ice blasts.

[shinta|hikari]

I based mine on physics and logic, too.

Explain yourself.

[DarthEnderX]

Please don't. The argument is already SUPER boring...

[shinta|hikari]

Then don't read it? I don't get people like you.

[DarthEnderX]

Then don't read it? I don't get people like you.My scrolly finger gets tired.

[shinta|hikari]

Try harder. Jeez, Izuku broke his fingers TWICE for crying out loud!

[DarthEnderX]

I don't have bestgirls to impress.

[DarthEnderX]

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Well...it didn't get interrupted, but what I said about the rest of the tournament not mattering now that Midoriya is out seems to have been spot on. 6 matches in one episode?

Hopefully the finals at least will get something substantive.

[neflight86]

They were short, but i would still call them serviceable matches; at least better than a flash forward or, like you said, an interruption. Good to see a new villain and a loss to 'the heroes' to keep the stakes high.

[Munsu]

The Hero Killer looks cool as fuck, hopefully he delivers.

[DarthEnderX]

He's a fucking tryhard edgelord.

[Kraco]

The Hero Killer looks cool as fuck, hopefully he delivers.

A person carrying multiple blades but not taking care of them in the slightest isn't too cool in my opinion. His sword was totally wrecked. He's just an ignorant savage.

I don't mind the quick fights. That's just how fights go when one side isn't suited to fight the other. Only a fool (like Deku) would try to stretch a fight for no purpose whatsoever.

[DarthEnderX]

I don't mind the quick fights. That's just how fights go when one side isn't suited to fight the other.I don't feel like that was the case with either of the girls. Plant girl should have been able to do much better against Iida. And acid girl should have been able to to better than nothing again against birdguy.

I mean, for Christ sake, a girl that could literally root herself into the ground let herself just get scooted out of the ring.

[Kraco]

It's not like I wouldn't understand your pov, but an abnormally high speed is one thing that many would have a hard time dealing with, unless she had had the wits to fully plan her actions beforehand (like Deku would do) and then be able to execute the plan. As we saw in the ep, she didn't do what she should have done and instead tried to attack immediately. She had no chance of connecting that attack.

What exactly would the acid girl do against the shadow?

[Munsu]

A person carrying multiple blades but not taking care of them in the slightest isn't too cool in my opinion. His sword was totally wrecked. He's just an ignorant savage.

Meh, badass then.

[DarthEnderX]

an abnormally high speed is one thing that many would have a hard time dealing withShe beat a guy...with LIGHTNING POWERS! If her vines are faster than lightning, then they're faster than Iida.


What exactly would the acid girl do against the shadow?Same thing she did against the laser guy. Skate around and dodge it until she could attack the guy.

This is the problem. Not that they lost, but that they were both much more competent in previous rounds, and in this round, they just stood there and didn't do anything.


A person carrying multiple blades but not taking care of them in the slightest isn't too cool in my opinion. His sword was totally wrecked. He's just an ignorant savage.I'll be sure to let Kenpachi know your thoughts on him.

[Kraco]

I'll be sure to let Kenpachi know your thoughts on him.

It's not really a sword with Kenpachi. It's a "living" (or whatever they are) being with the shape of a sword. He can't maintain it. I haven't read the Bleach manga, so I don't know if he learned how to communicate with it. Of course it's possible this dude is the same, but somehow I didn't get that feeling. I might be totally wrong.

[DarthEnderX]

25

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Well, that was disappointing. Fighting Midoriya was supposed to fix Todoroki, but it seems to have just made him worse...

4:54 Did that song just say "fucking superstar"?

Anyway, there were a bunch of funny scenes after the credits, which this show doesn't usually do, so make sure you don't miss em.

[MFauli]

Sucks that Todoroki stayed in pussy-mode, so I fully empathize with Bakugo.

Was it ever explained how Recover Girl´s "distribution" is organized? We see Lida´s brother in critical condition ... something that Recovery Girl could easily fix.

[Buffalobiian]

4:54 Did that song just say "fucking superstar"?

lol, yes it did.

Todoroki taking time to think about shit makes sense. Instantly getting over a lifetime's worth of trauma and hatred from one kid's advice would be the more unrealistic outcome. What I don't get is why their mother is in hospital for so long. That simply doesn't happen.

[NeoCybercoin]

Well...If you were planning of creating and raising the ultimate hero the most promising one got attacked by their mother....How would you react? What do you think Endeavor did to her?

[neflight86]

Well...If you were planning of creating and raising the ultimate hero the most promising one got attacked by their mother....How would you react? What do you think Endeavor did to her?

You could interpret his father saying "I put her in the hospital" a few episodes back either way, I guess. I like that Bakugo's mom? is even louder than he is.

[DarthEnderX]

What I don't get is why their mother is in hospital for so long. That simply doesn't happen.When he said hospital, I assumed he meant "mental institution".

Todoriki is Endeavor's best chance of realizing his goal, and his mother basically went nuts and attacked him. He basically used his influence to have her indefinitely committed.

He probably didn't even have to try that hard. Having a breakdown and pouring scalding water on your child is probably a pretty reasonable reason to be committed.

[Kraco]

I'd rather say Todoroki giving up made sense. He realised that competition was meaningless for him. It's not like Izuku would have healed him. Izuku merely made him think, get out of his old, tepid, unproductive groove. His conclusion was that he needs to fix his relationship with his mom, save her, if he wants to really become a hero in his own mind. Winning that competition would have done nothing for him, in fact if it was what he previously wanted to do, it would be better to drop it. It's not his priority anymore.

It quite funny how Bakugo is so empty. Maybe he's actually sensing it himself and is trying to mask it with his violent and noisy act. He has got not troubled background, no uphill climb, nothing bigger in the background that would drive him forward more than competitions like this. If you give your everything to win a contest, but some other public favourite can drop it suddenly without a second thought, it's going to piss you off. Of course a whole bunch of the students are like that, but he's not really paying attention to most of them.

[DarthEnderX]

I'm actually really psyched about finding out their hero names next week.


If you give your everything to win a contest, but some other public favourite can drop it suddenly without a second thought, it's going to piss you off. Of course a whole bunch of the students are like that, but he's not really paying attention to most of them.I'd say pretty much everyone EXCEPT Todoroki is like that, even Midoriya. Winning the contest is just a symbol of your determination and resolve to be a top hero, which is what all of them want.

Todoroki refusing to fight at full strength is more or less shitting on their determination. Because it shows he's not resolved enough to give it his all himself.

It's why Bakugo is so pissed off. Because Todoroki was willing to fight Midoriya at full strength, but not Bakugo. Which means he acknowledges Midoriya, but doesn't Bakugo.

[Kraco]

From Bakugo's pov it undoubtly looks like that, which is why he's so angry, but it's also because Bakugo can't understand someone might have something more important in their sights than winning this tournament and proving they are the strongest. It was a different thing when Todoroki was fighting Izuku as back then he was still confused and hadn't figured out what to do, so the only thing he could do was to push forward on the same old path. Between these fights and still during this fight he had enough time to realise what he wants to do, and winning that contest had nothing to do with it. He doesn't care about being recognized as the strongest hero candidate, he only cares about saving his mom for the time being. Yeah, if he can't even save his own mom, how could he be a hero who would save numerous other people?

You can say he's shitting on the determination of most of the students there, but so what? It's up to him to decide what he wants to do. If the others have something to complain about, they can start by getting strong enough to face him in the first place.

[DarthEnderX]

You can say he's shitting on the determination of most of the students there, but so what?Because it's not something a real hero would do. And he still wants to be a hero. At least, that's what he told Midoriya.

[Buffalobiian]

From Bakugo's pov it undoubtly looks like that, which is why he's so angry, but it's also because Bakugo can't understand someone might have something more important in their sights than winning this tournament and proving they are the strongest.

It's not even about whether Bakugo understands or not. Even if he does, he doesn't care. The fact that he wasn't able to beat Todoroki at full power alone pisses him off.


Well...If you were planning of creating and raising the ultimate hero the most promising one got attacked by their mother....How would you react? What do you think Endeavor did to her?

I assumed he physically assaulted her, and also reasoned that no injuries would make you unstable enough to stay in hospital for 10 years.

Now her setting didn't look like a mental health ward, but that idea actually makes sense in a way. (It actually doesn't when you think about current trends in healthcare towards community based cares, but it makes more sense than having ongoing medical instability by far).

[Kraco]

Because it's not something a real hero would do. And he still wants to be a hero. At least, that's what he told Midoriya.

It's a profession. If you took a hundred police officers or firemen and asked why they chose that job, do you reckon every single one gives the same answer? Aside from the fact self-sacrifice is also something a hero would do. He realised this competition doesn't matter to him, so he handed over the victory to a guy for whom it seemed to be of utmost importance. From the audiences point of view I'm sure Todoroki looked far more heroic than the guy one was in chains on the podium. Bakugo looked like a fricking villain.

[DarthEnderX]

Now her setting didn't look like a mental health ward, but that idea actually makes sense in a way.You mean it doesn't look like an Arkham Asylum? No. Nor should it. The series takes place in modern/near future Japan, where they deal with such things in a more modern way, and mental institutions basically just look like hospitals.


It's a profession. If you took a hundred police officers or firemen and asked why they chose that job, do you reckon every single one gives the same answer?They made it clear though why he wants to be a hero. Like Midoriya, he wants to be like All Might. Which leads us back to "That's not something All Might would do."


Bakugo looked like a fricking villain.Bakugo ALWAYS looks like a villain. It's SUPER unclear(but also super humorous) why he wants to be a hero instead.

[Buffalobiian]

You mean it doesn't look like an Arkham Asylum?


No. I mean it doesn't look like the 3 mental health wards I've seen over the past 4 years working in Australian hospitals. For one, acute mental health wards are designed to be low risk and low stimulus.

Her room looks like any other cookie cutter anime hospital room. If she's well enough to be in such an environment she's well enough for discharge and community cares.

[DarthEnderX]

No. I mean it doesn't look like the 3 mental health wards I've seen over the past 4 years working in Australian hospitals. For one, acute mental health wards are designed to be low risk and low stimulus.If you say so. The only one I've been to here in the US looked exactly like a hospital.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 26

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Acid Queen (2) is a totally good and valid name. Pinky is so bleh.

Bakugo probably just settled with his own name as well.

[Ryllharu]

Acid Queen (2) is a totally good and valid name. Pinky is so bleh.
Yeah, "Alien Queen" was very fitting for Ashido. Midnight was wrong to dissuade her from it, so she ended up with a dull name.

[neflight86]

Midnight has a track record at this point of considering things almost exclusively by her personal taste.

[DarthEnderX]

Whelp, I'm officially forgetting all their Japanese names and using the hero names from now on.

I'm not sure why I didn't know Midoriya was going to go with Deku, but it should have been obvious...

Gran Torino? Uh oh, Deku's going to intern with racist Clint Eastwood!

If I have a complaint about this series, it's the way Deku's narration sometimes gives away future plot elements. Things like "I'll always regret what happened that day." I don't need to spoiling the story for me, show character.


Acid Queen (2) is a totally good and valid name. Pinky is so bleh.Froppy sucks too...


Bakugo probably just settled with his own name as well.NO! IT'S LORD EXPLOSION MURDER!!

[MFauli]

Froppy is great. Just makes her so much cuter, if that was even possible :>

[Kraco]

Yeah, Midnight was out of line and misusing her authority as a teacher by rejecting Alien Queen. Although I'm not terribly surprised considering the general manga/anime principle is that girls/women need to be cute/beautiful, everything else being of secondary importance. Lord Explosion Murder was more understandable to deny as it's clearly a villain name. Lord Explosion would have been just fine, though, so once again Midnight failed. She fixed other students' names before, but suddenly couldn't do such a simple thing for Bakugo. She's an incompetent failure.

[MFauli]

Is it Acid Queen or Alien Queen? You guys keep changing between the 2 :>

[DarthEnderX]

I remember it being Alien Queen.

[Munsu]

Both were mentioned I think.

[Buffalobiian]

Alien Queen is what was mentioned in the anime.

[Munsu]

Alien Queen is what was mentioned in the anime.

Yep, just the teacher afterwards made a comment about the "acid thing". But it's indeed Alien Queen.

[shinta|hikari]

So that references the Alien Queen in the Alien movies, right? Because of the acid.

[Munsu]

So that references the Alien Queen in the Alien movies, right? Because of the acid.

Yep, that seemed to be the case and the image as well.

[DarthEnderX]

I assumed she picked it because her antenna make her look like an alien. And then their response was that it made them think of the monster from Aliens.

She probably should have just gone with Alien Princess.

[DarthEnderX]

So I watched the Training of the Dead OVA.

Heads up for anyone thinking of watching it, it seems to take place later in the series than where the anime is currently at, and there's some elements in it that I think might be spoilers(i.e. people doing things they can't do in the series yet).

Still, it had some real funny moments in it.

[David75]

I have exactly the same thougts regarding that OVA.
It does not add much to the show, but it's fun and enjoyable. You might even laugh out loud like I did.

[Buffalobiian]

So do you regret watching it despite spoilers?

[David75]

There's not much spoilers. Really not a big deal

[DarthEnderX]

Incidentally, I just went back and watched OVA1 as well, which I hadn't seen till now.
It takes place between the two seasons. It wasn't as entertaining.


So do you regret watching it despite spoilers?Nah. It's really obvious stuff I expected was going to happen, it just hadn't happened yet. I'm just letting people who are really sensitive about it know ahead of time.

For those that are, they straight up say in the OVA that their internships just ended. The internships they're just starting now in the show. So maybe wait an arc to watch this?

[DarthEnderX]

Have they revealed what Sugarman and Anima's powers are yet? I've been watching this show for two seasons now and I have no idea what they are.

[DarthEnderX]

27

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That was fun. Looks like everyone is going to have an interesting internship.

Seriously though, what exactly is Shoto's reasoning for picking Endeavor's agency?

The new ending is cute.

[Buffalobiian]

Ochako finding someone else cute :3.

[DarthEnderX]

I think it's simply a matter of the way he talks doesn't match up with the, like, supersoldier battleguy that his appearance would suggest.


I don't think I like that so many of these trainers feel like they have to tell other heroes how to act.

[Buffalobiian]

I do. This is workplace etiquette. Especially Bakugo's trainer. Beat that shit into him.

[MFauli]

Okay episode.

I like that this anime is logical for once. Applying all-for-one as a permanent upgrade to your whole body rather than using it for special attacks is exactly what´s rational.

[DarthEnderX]

I do. This is workplace etiquette.Superheroes are not salarymen. They're more like rock stars or professional athletes. Their personas are a huge part of their ability to be successful.


Especially Bakugo's trainer. Beat that shit into him.On the one hand, that makes logical sense. On the other hand, if they did that, he might as well not be in the series anymore, because his attitude is the only thing that makes him entertaining to watch.

I feel like Bakugo ended up really unlucky. He had a TON of offers, I'm betting they weren't ALL looking to teach him a lesson in humility.

[Munsu]

Superheroes are not salarymen. They're more like rock stars or professional athletes. Their personas are a huge part of their ability to be successful.

Nonetheless, they're students. And regardless other's actions reflect upon the whole group as well.

[Kraco]

Looking at it from another pov, would the people who don't feel like teaching and lecturing even accept a total newbie under their supervision? Unless a person feels like teaching someone, they likely don't want such a burden on their back. It's likely most of the genuinely coolest heroes won't accept trainees, aside from special circumstances (somebody they know, etc).

It was weird to watch this episode, 27th ep, and see Izuku finally realising he needs to fricking train and master his power. That should have been like episode 4 or something.

[DarthEnderX]

Looking at it from another pov, would the people who don't feel like teaching and lecturing even accept a total newbie under their supervision? Unless a person feels like teaching someone, they likely don't want such a burden on their back.Yeah, but as we can see from the variety of students, there are a lot of different THINGS that the various heroes want to teach.

Bakugo is unlucky that he picked someone who's more interested in giving him shit about his personality than he is about, say, making him stronger or something.

[shinta|hikari]

How is he unlucky? It'll be for the good of humanity in general (in show) if he fixes his rotten personality.

[DarthEnderX]

How is he unlucky? It'll be for the good of humanity in general (in show) if he fixes his rotten personality.What does what's good for humanity have to do with what Bakugo wants?

[shinta|hikari]

Humanity includes Bakugo. Kids want stupid things. That's why we have education. It's for his own good in the long run.

[David75]

For the good of humanity, he needs the right dose of discipline/education so that he does not fall to the darkside.
He's already quite skilled and powerful. That world does not want another strong bad guy...

[DarthEnderX]

I think if Bakugo was going to become a villain on his own, he'd have done it already.

If you pay attention, a lot of the villains seems to have a problem with what they deem the oppressiveness of society. A lot of them are simply nonconformists.

I think if ANYTHING was going to make Bakugo become a villain, it'd be trying to tell him how he can and can't act.

[shinta|hikari]

He doesn't have to become a villain to become a pest to society. Bakugo is so volatile, he's like a kid with an AK47. Remember his outburst just from Shoto not using his other hand? Teachers had to chain him down. What if there was no one strong enough nearby to stop him? How many civilians can he hurt or kill by accident because of his temper tantrums? Remember how he went nuts during the cavalry battle and ignored his teammates? How can he even work together with other heroes with how he behaves?

He needs to learn patience and humility. That's all part of becoming an adult.

[DarthEnderX]

He needs to learn patience and humility.Different people learn things in different ways. Something tells me trying Bakugo down and tying to force a lesson into him isn't going to work very well.

Bakugo is already a completely different person than he was at the start of the series. And he did that just by adapting to his circumstances. Not because All Might or Eraser Head tied him up and told him to behave.

[shinta|hikari]

Completely different how? He still goes batshit insane and thinks he is the best and whatnot.

The guy needs to be kicked in the teeth. You can't baby asshat bullies like him.

[DarthEnderX]

Completely different how? He still goes batshit insane and thinks he is the best and whatnot.

The guy needs to be kicked in the teeth. You can't baby asshat bullies like him.Because he used to be the guy worshiped by everyone around him. He used to be the center of attention. But that's not the case anymore. NOBODY in his new class treats him the way people in his old class treated him. He's not the superstar to any of them. He's just the loud agro guy.

And he WAS kicked in the teeth. When he lost to Deku. It's completely changed his character. His personality APPEARS the same, but it's not. He's all bark and no bite now. And he hasn't bullied anyone since then.

[shinta|hikari]

Then he has to change his appearance for it to be a complete change. Looking and acting like a dick bully, even if he doesn't mean harm, isn't gonna help anyone, much less him.

I'm actually surprised people are tolerating someone like him. In any other scenario, he'd be disciplined/gang-bullied severely from the start. That time simply came now. He's like Ranta, only with no excuse for acting like a fool.

[DarthEnderX]

Question, was that letter implying that Mei made Deku's new costume, or just that people in support must all have Mei's same mindset?

Also, I just rewatched the entire series recently and just now realized that "that's my starting line"
is this series' "that's my ninja way".
Then he has to change his appearance for it to be a complete change. Looking and acting like a dick bully, even if he doesn't mean harm, isn't gonna help anyone, much less him.Perhaps. But then he wouldn't be entertaining.


I'm actually surprised people are tolerating someone like him. In any other scenario, he'd be disciplined/gang-bullied severely from the start.Well, again, being a superhero is kind of a profession that encourages you to be a diva. Most of his negative characteristics can also be found in various members of the school staff even.

[shinta|hikari]

While I think that some people do find Bakugo entertaining as he is, my point was he being disciplined is going to be good for him and his world in the long run. Even if his bad qualities can be found in mature heroes, the extent of his attitude is a little too much for an upstart. Just imagine how he'd behave in the future if left unchecked.

[Buffalobiian]

Question, was that letter implying that Mei made Deku's new costume, or just that people in support must all have Mei's same mindset?

They must all have Mei's mindset. If Mei did the costume then there's no reason to assume everyone else is like her.

[DarthEnderX]

So they said in this episode that Deku is the 9th user of One For All.

The quirk supposedly lets you transfer your abilities to someone else. I wonder if that included their quirks. Because I get that All Might it strong, but he seems a hell of a lot stronger than just 8 people strong.

[Munsu]

So they said in this episode that Deku is the 9th user of One For All.

The quirk supposedly lets you transfer your abilities to someone else. I wonder if that included their quirks. Because I get that All Might it strong, but he seems a hell of a lot stronger than just 8 people strong.

Not sure why you're drawing a correlation from "a lot stronger than just 8 people strong" with transferring including their quirks. Quirks doesn't equal strength. So, not sure why you're seemingly discounting the intrinsic strength of the One For All itself.

Now, I'm not saying that transferring may not be doing just that as you mention with the Quirk, but so far there has been no evidence to lead one to believe that's the case. All Might being incredibly strong is not a good enough justification to believe that.

[DarthEnderX]

Not sure why you're drawing a correlation from "a lot stronger than just 8 people strong" with transferring including their quirks. Quirks doesn't equal strength.It does if one of those 8 people had super strength as a Quirk.

All Might said that he was Quirkless, but that the person who had One For All before him wasn't. So it is possible to have other Quirks in addition to having One For All. If one of those other 7 people had a Super Strength Quirk, and Quirks got passed on along with everything else with One For All, then it would explain why All Might has the strength of, like 100 people, when he should only have the strength of 8.

[shinta|hikari]

I doubt it. That would mean Izuki now has several powers aside from All Might's super speed and strength, unless all that came before him are quirkless, a detail that would've been mentioned when All Might spoke about himself being quirkless.

Also, All Might never showed different quirks even in desperate battles, so I think One for All is just incredibly enhanced physical abilities. I also think the latent power of the transferable quirk was already very high from the start.

[DarthEnderX]

a detail that would've been mentioned when All Might spoke about himself being quirkless.Why would it have been mentioned? He didn't even tell Deku how many people before him there WERE. Much less what each of their quirk status' was.

[Munsu]

It does if one of those 8 people had super strength as a Quirk.

All Might said that he was Quirkless, but that the person who had One For All before him wasn't. So it is possible to have other Quirks in addition to having One For All. If one of those other 7 people had a Super Strength Quirk, and Quirks got passed on along with everything else with One For All, then it would explain why All Might has the strength of, like 100 people, when he should only have the strength of 8.

Erm, no. All Might having all that strength is already explained by One for All intrinsic characteristics as it is. That the series at some point might want to come up with some alternate idea on how One for All works, so be it. But to this point there's nothing needed to explain why All Might is incredibly strong beyond simply that's what One for All does.

Not sure where you're getting the "should only have the strength of eight" bit.

[DarthEnderX]

Erm, no. All Might having all that strength is already explained by One for All intrinsic characteristics as it is. That the series at some point might want to come up with some alternate idea on how One for All works, so be it. But to this point there's nothing needed to explain why All Might is incredibly strong beyond simply that's what One for All does.But...that's NOT what they said One For All does.

He specifically said that the One For All allows a person to cultivate their power, and then pass that power on to another person. That's how he described it. At no point did he say "One For All makes me super strong".

The way it's described, you receive the power of the people who possessed it before you, then you add your own power to it, so that the next person that receives it is even stronger than you.

[shinta|hikari]

From memory, I believe it was mentioned that One for All is indeed a skill that is built up as it is passed on, but they also never said that it wasn't powerful from the get go. So I think it was strong from the start and gets stronger with more successors.

[Munsu]

From memory, I believe it was mentioned that One for All is indeed a skill that is built up as it is passed on, but they also never said that it wasn't powerful from the get go. So I think it was strong from the start and gets stronger with more successors.

This is how I see it as well. At some when this Quirk manifested I would assume it was damn strong intrinsically, and successors from then on have been making it even stronger.

Edit: Maybe this can make some sense and make it more palatable for you, and it could "explain" a lot of it as you say. Maybe even if we consider All for One having great intrinsic strength, maybe if one already has a Quirk in possession it gives more "strength" to All for One than a Quirkless owner would. So maybe it isn't about transferring Quirks, but more about how much All for One's strength increase process gets exacerbated.

Would a theory in that direction make more sense?

[Kraco]

Don't you think it possible it could have a drawback mechanism included as well? So, if a person inheriting One for All doesn't train and master it all, and then passes it on to the next person, it might actually get weaker? This would also make perfect sense in my opinion. A stylish Lamarckistic power.

[Munsu]

Don't you think it possible it could have a drawback mechanism included as well? So, if a person inheriting One for All doesn't train and master it all, and then passes it on to the next person, it might actually get weaker? This would also make perfect sense in my opinion. A stylish Lamarckistic power.

Maybe? Who knows. It might as well simply be kinda like a passive characteristic that absorbs what it can get and move on.

[DarthEnderX]

It's possible, but given that the holder of One For All has to actually pick someone to pass their power on to, it seems unlikely they'd pass it on to someone who just wouldn't do anything with it.

[DarthEnderX]

28

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That feels like the most budget I've ever seen spent on a training sequence.

A whole squad of Nomus. Presumably they've been made up with different powers than the one that fought All Might.

[neflight86]

Best Bakugo Jeanest hair made the episode for me, in spite of all the other hype.

[Buffalobiian]

After this, Deku just needs some general martial arts training. He's still calling out his moves as special attacks instead of treating them as regular punches.

[DarthEnderX]

29

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I was expecting this to be more of a three way battle between Stain, the main characters and the Nomus. But it seems like the Nomus are just there to make sure no grownups can show up to help.

[Buffalobiian]

Still too much "SMAAASH. did it work?"

Keep punching him until he stops standing dude. I love the counter movements though.

[Munsu]

This was an incredibly cool episode to watch, lots of well animated action.

[shinta|hikari]

I just wish Izuku used his 100% smash on Stain's face. End of fight.

[DarthEnderX]

I just wish Izuku used his 100% smash on Stain's face. End of fight.Yeah, but then he'd have to spend the rest of his internship with a fucked up arm.

[shinta|hikari]

Better than being dead.

And I'm pretty sure the intern who defeated Stain would be exempted from any other duties after his heroic sacrifice.

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, but knowing Deku, he wouldn't WANT the week off because he WANTS to spend the whole week being taught stuff.

[Ryllharu]

Yeah, but then he'd have to spend the rest of his internship with a fucked up arm.
Rest of his life. Recovery Girl is not healing him anymore if he fights that way.

[Munsu]

Rest of his life. Recovery Girl is not healing him anymore if he fights that way.

I'd LOVE to see her refusing to heal him after stopping the Hero Killer who was about to kill 2 more heroes who were paralyzed due to his quirk.

[MFauli]

Are heroes allowed to kill enemies? Honest question.

Also, was it established that Recovery Girl cannot heal serious injuries? Because otherwise it´s bullshit if she doesnt just heal Lida´s brother.

[DarthEnderX]

Rest of his life. Recovery Girl is not healing him anymore if he fights that way.I believe she was specifically referring to the kinds of wounds he inflicted on himself during the Shoto fight(i.e. double injuring himself to the point where he ended up permanently scarred). I think she's still willing to heal his normal self inflicted injuries.


Also, was it established that Recovery Girl cannot heal serious injuries? Because otherwise it´s bullshit if she doesnt just heal Lida´s brother.Well, she wasn't able to heal All Mights injury, so obviously she has limitations.

[neflight86]

I hope Iida gets over his uselessness complex fast. It should be more obvious that there isn't much he could do with being paralyzed and all. Thanks are in order, not "let me handle this" when he would need help moving his body to give his revenge speech to stain anyway.

It is interesting that Todoroki has finally been able to separate the hero Endeavor from the man Endeavor. Assuming he's the number two hero for a reason means there is something to be learned from interning with him (he's the only hero shown deducing the hero killer's pattern other than Iida). It shows either moral compromise, or maturity, depending on how you look at it (and how much you can't stand Endeavor).

Also enjoy Stain's twisted pruning of the heroes. Being judged "worthy", Midoria and Todoroki actually aren't in danger even if they lose, because Stain won't kill or even hurt them, as far as I can tell.

[DarthEnderX]

For as much as Iida completely worships his brother, it's really weird to me that he thinks he can beat someone that defeated his brother. Does he think he's better than his brother? Because nothing else about his character seems to suggest that.

[Buffalobiian]

Rage > reason + fear.

He also admires his brother's qualities, but it was never established that Ingenium was a particularly strong hero. He was famous and performed good deeds, but not particularly mighty.

Still, I'd very much put Ida in the rookie category still. Overdrive is his only decent offensive move and it burns out pretty damn quickly.

[DarthEnderX]

30

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Well, asshole he may be, there's no denying that Endeavor is a huge badass.

When his mask came off, I was expecting Stain's face to be burned, showing that being wounded by Endeavor previously was the origin of his vendetta against fake heroes.

[neflight86]

When it comes down it it, the wife beater is also a fine hero, not skimping on combat, command, or actually saving people.

If he was ready to jump out of those ropes, can you really call it "capturing" him? Stain even specifically saved midoria in addition to killing the nomu; also, on screen killing in a non-HxH WJS adaptation? More, please.

[Munsu]

Another cool episode for this series, the final scene was awesomely intense. Love Stain, but kinda believe we were now starting to scratch beyond the surface, and now I assume he's going to be sidelined.

[NeoCybercoin]

Sure Endeavor is an ass but he is nr 2 for a reason. He IS a hero and a damn good one at that.Not what you would expect but he even shows proper respect for Gran Torino.

But yeah Stain is a badass. The world deserves a better class of heroes. And he's going to give it to them by weeding out the ones that are only after fame. I mean he saved Midoriya, not just because that Nomu was wrecking stuff without purpose but also because I think he believes Midoriya has the makings of a hero.

[DarthEnderX]

From their reactions, seems like Heroes aren't allowed to kill villains either. Which, makes sense given that they're civil servants.


If he was ready to jump out of those ropes, can you really call it "capturing" him?Since they didn't even get him into custody, I would not count that as capturing him, no.

I'm kinda confused as to why they used ropes to hold him instead of Shoto's ice.

[shinta|hikari]

Ice would kill him in a bit.

[DarthEnderX]

Oh right, I forgot they treat it like real ice.

[Buffalobiian]

Another cool episode for this series, the final scene was awesomely intense. Love Stain, but kinda believe we were now starting to scratch beyond the surface, and now I assume he's going to be sidelined.

Oh, I just assumed he died since his lung got punctured, he lost consciousness, and nobody when to give him breathing support.

[Ryllharu]

Considering you're a doctor, one would hope you know humans have two lungs!

[Munsu]

Considering you're a doctor, one would hope you know humans have two lungs!

But... is Stain a human?

[shinta|hikari]

I don't even understand how he can move so fast even though his quirk is a blood whatever thing.

[Buffalobiian]

I don't even understand how he can move so fast even though his quirk is a blood whatever thing.

Or how Endeavor pushes like All Might, even if he's all jacked up and shit. Or that Deku with Full Cowl can dash between walls but lands mediocre punches. Stain took them all and came back up right away.

@ Ryll: Tension pneumothorax man!

[shinta|hikari]

Izuku should now carry a one hit defeat weapon, like a knife or an overpowered stun baton. It just makes perfect sense as a pair up to his speed and agility boost.

[DarthEnderX]

So, I was rewatching the series lately and I noticed something I don't think I did before.

I noticed that usually when someone does a flashy attack, the screen gets drastically dimmed.

It's that supposed to be a stylistic choice, or is it some kinda anti-epilepsy measure?

[Buffalobiian]

So, I was rewatching the series lately and I noticed something I don't think I did before.

I noticed that usually when someone does a flashy attack, the screen gets drastically dimmed.

It's that supposed to be a stylistic choice, or is it some kinda anti-epilepsy measure?

Specific examples? I can only ever remember All Might punches and shit.

edit: I sampled a few clips during the cavalry fight, Uraraka vs Bakugo, and Midoriya vs Todoroki. I tend to agree with you.
Scenes are darker when either
1) Characters in the foreground are shadowed with white blinding backgrounds in the rear, or
2) Entire scenes are darker when debris/dust/ice is flying around everywhere post-blast.

I'm more inclined to take it as a stylistic choice rather than an anti-epileptic countermeasure.

edit2: Answer = broadcast laws.
https://anime.stackexchange.com/questions/5092/why-are-there-sometimes-darkened-scenes-in-new-anime

[DarthEnderX]

Thanks for finding the answer!

Man, now I wish I had the disc versions now that I know the color is going to be better.

[lelouch]

So, I was rewatching the series lately and I noticed something I don't think I did before.

I noticed that usually when someone does a flashy attack, the screen gets drastically dimmed.

It's that supposed to be a stylistic choice, or is it some kinda anti-epilepsy measure?

Surprised you didn't notice -- this has been going on since season 1 and has been extremely annoying.

[DarthEnderX]

Surprised you didn't notice -- this has been going on since season 1 and has been extremely annoying.I think I might have just assumed it was a dramatic thing. Dimming the screen to make the explosions...I dunno, pop or something.

[DarthEnderX]

31

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So...first mention of what I assume is the Big Bad of the series. All For One. I can tell I'm going to have trouble keeping the two names straight...

It's funny to me that Creati seems to resent being chosen for just her looks to do frivolous model-type things...but still chose that outfit.

[Buffalobiian]

She doesn't have a choice, she creates items by pulling it out of her skin it seems.

[Munsu]

In the macro set of things, things are getting interesting. Can't wait to see where they take us, and it seems like the show is not afraid of showing some explicit violence when necessary.

So we have All Might that has One for All, and then someone called All for One. I wonder if that's merely a name for the ability or simply what the person calls himself. It's curious, since All Might is what... the 8th member of One for All? So have to wonder if this is merely one dude or just another successor like All Might. And if they came up from the same era as the original One for All or if he's someone more recent.

All Might mentions the multiple quirks thing from Nomu, so another transference type of ability maybe? A mad scientist?

So there's something to DarthEnderX's theory I guess considering the transfer of All for One and the qualities that may or may not be inherited.

And LOL @ Endeavor getting all the credit. The League of Villains or whatever their name is now profiting from Stain, who actually didn't care for them. I wonder what Stain will do, if anything, once he learns this is occurring.

Guess we'll learn in time, filler episode next.

[DarthEnderX]

Well, it also seems like All For One might be an opposite of One For All's powers.

One For All is inheriting the power of other people. While All For One seems to be giving other people powers(hence the Nomus having multiple quirks).

[shinta|hikari]

Why do people think they can only have one quirk? What about people like Shoto..?

[Munsu]

Why do people think they can only have one quirk? What about people like Shoto..?

Not people, but characters with authority in the subject. The question then is, is his considered 1 or 2 quirks? Also, if we go by the 2 theory, then maybe that's that max they may have seen naturally (one from the dad side and and the second from the mom side).

But good point regardless.

[DarthEnderX]

Also, if we go by the 2 theory, then maybe that's that max they may have seen naturally (one from the dad side and and the second from the mom side).Yeah, but what if you breed the quirks across multiple generations.

You have someone like Shoto who got a quirk from his mom and another from his dad, and they have a child with someone else who has a quirk from her mother and one from her dad. That child could then potentially have 4 quirks. And the next generation could have 8, and so on.

However, we know children aren't guaranteed to have their parents quirk. I believe they implied Endeavor had several kids before getting "the result he wanted" with Shoto. So those other kids probably only had one of the two quirks. And of course Deku didn't get his mother's quirk.

So the odds of that grandchild having all 4 quirks or the great grandchild having all 8 is probably highly unlikely.

[Buffalobiian]

The correct way to use Shoto's quirk is just to use ice. It's fast, it traps movement, and it has a cone of effect. The only bad thing about it was that it freezes himself. Now that he's got heat to defrost, it grants him unlimited freeze. Just rock that and use attacks like the ice pillar he used against Deku in their fight.

This is especially true if killing people is supposed to be bad. Endeavour grabbing the Nomu's head and burning the living fuck out of it was cool to watch, but not applicable to most flimsier villains. Burns are a pretty big deal. Bigger than this show seems to depict (on Stain).

[NeoCybercoin]

@Darth I think Endeavor 'kept going' because none of his kids had the perfect 50/50 ratio he was looking for. The dude was pretty much EV breeding.

[DarthEnderX]

@Darth I think Endeavor 'kept going' because none of his kids had the perfect 50/50 ratio he was looking for. The dude was pretty much EV breeding.Solid ref.

[Ryllharu]

They kind of glossed over it in the anime, but his older brothers and sisters are weaker versions of either their father or their mother. As in, either his diminished the strength of hers, or hers diminished the strength of his.

Shoto is the only one who maintained the strength of each quirk. It's not ratio so much as interfered or didn't.

[DarthEnderX]

Well, I noticed his sister's hair was all white like his mother. I assumed she had all the ice powers and none of the fire.

[neflight86]

Episode 32

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That's how you do filler. I would hesitate to put it at the cannon's level of quality, but it didn't forget what show it belonged to and played to the show's themes in a way that made it feel natural. Entertaining and I also enjoyed the guest hero's crew and continue to appreciate that people aren't idiots in MHA.

[DarthEnderX]

It can't have been that good, because I immediately suspected it was filler.

I really hope this was a one off and each member of Deku's class isn't going to get their own little filler arc here. The whole reason this show went on hiatus was so we wouldn't HAVE filler like Naruto or terrible pacing like One Piece...


I just realized Stain totally looks like a Ninja Turtle. He's straight up got the same mask as them, and he has that super-wide toothy mouth that they do as well.

[Munsu]

For a filler episode it was alright, until we got to the Froppy portion... I didn't care for how that whole event went down. But can't complain much. I really like her character, so was hoping for something better. I liked seeing Uraraka training and I hope that's cannon (even if the scene itself wasn't).

I don't think we'll get much more fillers than this, at least from the preview it seems like we're going back to the main story. I haven't read the manga this far, so can't tell for sure.

[MFauli]

Agreed with everybody. Filler sucks, but Froppy makes it okay.
Also, if I had a squid face, I´d be a villain, too. That´s just unfair.

[DarthEnderX]

Also, if I had a squid face, I´d be a villain, too. That´s just unfair.Also when you're named after a Lovecraft story.

Although I assume Innsmouth is just his villain codename and not his real name.

[Kraco]

Also, if I had a squid face, I´d be a villain, too. That´s just unfair.

At least he fought against his destiny somewhat and didn't become a sex offender, despite having tentacles.

[MFauli]

At least he fought against his destiny somewhat and didn't become a sex offender, despite having tentacles.

Is that a spoiler or just an assumption of your´s?

[Kraco]

Is that a spoiler or just an assumption of your´s?

Japan+tentacles. But he was a smuggler.

[DarthEnderX]

33

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MASSIVE FUCKING LORE DUMP!!

So yeah, there is another Quirk involved in OfA that gives them the super strength. The "ability to store up power". It's just combined with a second quirk that lets you pass on a quirk.

AfO is brutal. Not just giving others powers, but taking them as well. I'm sure there's some mechanic to it. Interested to find out what it is.

I hope All Might is able to hold on at least until Midoriya graduates. It's only a 3 year program and we're already at the end of the first year.


Poor Grape Juice...earphone jack in the eye...

[NeoCybercoin]

So yeah OFA does pass on additional quirks along with itself. The main power is to transfer Quirks and the second one is Super Strength. But...how many wielders of OFA were Quirkless? I mean All-Might used to be so wouldn't OFA have been wasted on him if the main goal was to stock-up power and Quirks? Unless merely passing it on strengthens all the Quirks it has.

[MFauli]

Two things I´m not sure about:

- when All for One "steals" abilities, is the original owner left without his ability? Probably, because that wouldn´t make much sense.
- Similarily, when AfO gives an ability to somebody else, does he himself get still use it? Probably not, because then how did All Might defeat him, huh?

And damn, Mineto, sooo close.

[Kraco]

AfO is brutal. Not just giving others powers, but taking them as well. I'm sure there's some mechanic to it. Interested to find out what it is.

I wonder if the AfO man can only hold a certain number of quirks before he needs to pass at least one on to somebody to steal a new one. After all, I seem to recall that the Nomus become as witless as they are because the human brain can't handle more than a few quirks before breaking.


earphone jack in the eye...

That disgusting dude deserves an earphone jack in his eye. Actually he should get a few in both eyes.

That being said, I hope the summer camp really includes an obligatory onsen, beach, or equivalent episode.

[neflight86]

Maybe he catalogs them somehow, like Chrollo in HxH to avoid having to process them all at once?

[DarthEnderX]

Is the summer camp in the manga? Because it's the kind of thing that SOUNDS like filler...


Also, I just realized that from our perspective, this entire school year was, like, 4 weeks long.

They had a couple different tests the first week. Then they went right to the festival. Then right into the internships. And now we're at final exams already.

[neflight86]

Next arc is cannon, I believe.

***Possible spoiler warning***


As far as I remember, the manga itself hasn't entered the next school year yet, so they got plenty left to do in this grade.

[MFauli]

You know, I´ve seen some SJW-infested forums complain about Mineta´s peeping attempt, but ... how is he at fault? He didn´t choose to be in that room. He hadn´t planned on peeping because he didn´t know about the hole. So all he does is take a look through a hole he accidentally discovered. And ... it´s just a look. Sorry, but I´d do the exact some.

Now, if he was somehow taking photos, that´d be a whole different thing, but taking a look? Kami-sama granted him with a chance, that´s all. :>

[Buffalobiian]

He planned on peeping as soon as he saw a hole and had reasonable suspicions on what he could see on the other side. Just because he didn't have to work for that opportunity doesn't change the fact it's morally wrong. It does mean his indecency is less in the eyes of the court than someone who actually drilled the hole.

[DarthEnderX]

You know, I´ve seen some SJW-infested forums complain about Mineta´s peeping attempt, but ... how is he at fault? He didn´t choose to be in that room. He hadn´t planned on peeping because he didn´t know about the hole. So all he does is take a look through a hole he accidentally discovered. And ... it´s just a look. Sorry, but I´d do the exact some.Yeah, and we've previously established you're kind of a scumbag.

If he was just looking in a random hole and didn't know what was behind it, that would be one thing, but he knew exactly what the hole was and was even talking about all the non-consensual nudity he was going to get to see.

[neflight86]

I did enjoy Earphone's Jack's response, if only because of her pride.

[MFauli]

Yeah, and we've previously established you're kind of a scumbag.

It´s a tiny hole, Mineta isn´t at fault for it being there. And who´s gonna be hurt bei a simple look? As I said: If the hole was big enough to take photos, it´d be a whole different matter, but a look? Guess I´m old-fashioned in that regard, but that´s what we did as boys, too. Well, we tried. Mineta´s consecutive failures are quite realistic :(

[DarthEnderX]

Guess I´m old-fashioned in that regard, but that´s what we did as boys, too.Yes, kids do lots of things that would be considered wrong, or criminal, if adults did them. That doesn't make it okay, it just means they don't know better.

For the record, I'm not saying this shouldn't be happening in this show, or that they shouldn't have had him do it, or even that getting stabbed in the eye is a proportionate response for his crime. It's anime, and it's the classic perv character. It's fine.

I'm just saying, if you're saying you honestly don't understand why what he's doing is wrong, then it means you're kind of a creep.


That said, he is still a hilarious dipshit for not realizing that the hole that allows the passage of light would also allow the passage of sound.

[shinta|hikari]

I'm just saying, if you're saying you honestly don't understand why what he's doing is wrong, then it means you're kind of a total creep.

Fixed that for you.

And peeping, camera or not, is actually a crime in a lot of places in the world.

[MFauli]

I'm just saying, if you're saying you honestly don't understand why what he's doing is wrong, then it means you're kind of a creep.

As I said: It´s all about the situation came about.
If I set up the rooms so I could peep => total creep, and criminal if found out and police is noticed
If I enter the room that I was assigned to, look around and coincidentally find that hole, take a look and see hot naked girls => me being lucky. Depending on how long I stare, a bit of a creep, too. But definitely not an evil person.

And Mineta was definitely closer to situation #2, although him telling all the guys about it makes it a bit creepier. But that´s where them being teenage boys comes into play.

Again: If taking photos or something was involved, I´d agree that it´d be bad. But taking a look, from a situation you didn´t intend to be? That´s just you being lucky and nobody is really hurt. What would have happened if Mineta saw some boobs? Him going around and telling others "Hey, those girls have nice boobs!"? lol


That said, he is still a hilarious dipshit for not realizing that the hole that allows the passage of light would also allow the passage of sound.

Yeah, he´s an idiot ;>

[Buffalobiian]

If I enter the room that I was assigned to, look around and coincidentally find that hole, take a look and see hot naked girls => me being lucky.

If I enter the room that I was assigned to, look around and coincidentally find that hole,
-strongly suspect that the hole leads to the girl's change room,
-understand I'm about to do something wrong/criminal,
-and go do it anyway
=> me intending and performing the crime.

If I coincidentally found a crowbar, strongly suspect that hitting you over the head will kill you, understand that what I'm about to do is wrong, and do it anyway - that's murder. That's not manslaughter or me having some (un)lucky accident at the wrong place at the wrong time.

It's not a victimless crime like you think it is (other people having carnal knowledge of you). And if it is a victimless crime, then who cares if you spent days drilling a hole for a peek, or if you took pictures?

Somehow you don't understand that this is a deliberate act of peeking at others. Yes, he was handed the opportunity on a silver platter. He still knew what he was doing before he did it. That makes it deliberate.

[MFauli]

Can we at least agree that taking a look through a tiny hole without planning to do so is the lightest crime one could possibly commit?

[DarthEnderX]

Can we at least agree that taking a look through a tiny hole without planning to do so is the lightest crime one could possibly commit?I mean, it's not great. But I suppose on a scale of jaywalking to genocide, it's in the lower half.

[Munsu]

I have no problem with kids peeping. Part of the fun growing up, as scummy as it is.

But he DID know what the hole was and what he'd find looking through it. I mean he said all himself, so not sure why you MFauli are making him to be some innocent ignorant bystander. He knew full what he was doing and what he was going to see through it.

Edit:

So All for One can forcibly steal Quirks, and One for All can only be transferred if the users wish it.

Wonder how that will work when they clash with one another.

[Kraco]

It's not like that dude would have lost anything by peeping since the whole class already knew he's a petty pervert. I'm glad nobody else got involved since they don't have such an unfortunate reputation. Ignoring any moral factors, from such a practical point of view it's questionable to knowingly risk peeping on your classmates whom you are seeing nearly every day still for the next couple of years. Of course since they are the beautiful female classmates, there might exist extra interest, but it's better to wait for legit chances to see some skin (beach, pool, etc).

[MFauli]

But he DID know what the hole was and what he'd find looking through it. I mean he said all himself, so not sure why you MFauli are making him to be some innocent ignorant bystander. He knew full what he was doing and what he was going to see through it.

But did he know about the hole before entering the room? That´s what I´m disputing.

Also lol @Kraco. So what about the girls knowing they´ve been peeped on? "Oh no, you swine, you saw me naked!" - "Yeah, you´re hot." -> consequence?

[DarthEnderX]

But did he know about the hole before entering the room? That´s what I´m disputing.A. Why would that make any difference? And B. Considering it was BEHIND a poster on the wall, yeah, I'm willing to bet that he did.


consequence?https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/peeping-tom/

Of course, he's a minor. So he wouldn't get the, say, 12 months in prison + fine and adult would for a Class 1 Misdemeanor.

[shinta|hikari]

But Mfauli is German.

http://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/die-strafrechtliche-behandlung-des-voyeurismus_043905.html

From the post I got this from:
"It's a long article, in German, and I won't translate it, but in a nutshell it says that voyeurism is only a criminal offense if the voyeur takes photos. This doesn't seem to be the case."

Looks like it's just a civil case there...

[MFauli]

A. Why would that make any difference? And B. Considering it was BEHIND a poster on the wall, yeah, I'm willing to bet that he did.

https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/peeping-tom/

Of course, he's a minor. So he wouldn't get the, say, 12 months in prison + fine and adult would for a Class 1 Misdemeanor.

I wasn´t talking about legal consequence. Kraco wrote that it´d be bad because Mineta and co. would be seeing the girls every day for the next years. I was wondering why that would be a problem.

Also thx shinta, educating everyone about (superior) German law. Seriously, 12 months in prison?! The USA really are a hellhole.

[Kraco]

I wasn´t talking about legal consequence. Kraco wrote that it´d be bad because Mineta and co. would be seeing the girls every day for the next years. I was wondering why that would be a problem.

There are many kinds of reputations and images a person can have among their peers. A pervert is one I wouldn't desire to be, and I think the same goes for many characters in this show. Even a mad dog like Bakugo is better; people might be wary or scared of him, but at least they don't look down on him.

[MFauli]

I don´t see how people would look down on someone for peeping. "Look at this swine. He´s interested in girls!!1"
On the contrary, I´d use that situation to my advantage, like, say, Froppy complains about my peeping, I tell her that I just think she´s so beautiful and that I´d like to date her. Even if she declines, it establishes me as someone with serious ambitions instead of just some pervert.

[shinta|hikari]

Depends on the people who catch you, and who you are peeping on.

Peeping on Putin in the Kremlin and getting caught by his guards? Bad.
Peeping on a slutty grandma who poses nudes on Tumblr and getting caught by the neighborhood kids? Safe.

[MFauli]

Wtf kind of examples are that? both make me barf

[Buffalobiian]

But did he know about the hole before entering the room? That´s what I´m disputing.

He didn't, but that's barely relevant.

"Buff, I hereby prosecute you for attempted murder"

"Oh, but did I know about the knife before I got in the room?"

-_-


I don´t see how people would look down on someone for peeping. "Look at this swine. He´s interested in girls!!1"

Look at this guy, he thinks with his dick and shows no moral restraint from it.

[DarthEnderX]

I don´t see how people would look down on someone for peeping. "Look at this swine. He´s interested in girls!!1"Why are you only interested in girls if you commit a crime towards them?

"Well, he raped that girl. But at least it proves he's interested in them!"

You can be interested in girls AND respect their privacy.


The USA really are a hellhole....you're lucky it's this year. Or else I'd totally disagree with you.

[shinta|hikari]

It's actually still not. Despite the president, it's paradise compared to places like the Philippines or Russia.

[MFauli]

You can be interested in girls AND respect their privacy.

And both me and Mineta (in this episode) do. Nobody went out of their way invade any girls´ privacy.


...you're lucky it's this year. Or else I'd totally disagree with you.

Even before, the USA had no general healthcare for everyone, had guns for everyone, and kept shooting black people for no good reason. On top of that you now have an immense SJW-crisis where people feel offended by just about anything.
Yeah, I´d have been right any year of the past decade.

[DarthEnderX]

And both me and Mineta (in this episode) do. Nobody went out of their way invade any girls´ privacy.He absolutely did. And it's sad that you think otherwise.


Even before, the USA had no general healthcare for everyone, had guns for everyone, and kept shooting black people for no good reason. On top of that you now have an immense SJW-crisis where people feel offended by just about anything.It's really weird that you consider those first three things negatives, but then also consider SJW's a negative, when those first 3 things are exactly the kinds of things SJWs are against.

This is why you come off as such a creep. You like free healthcare, gun control, are against racism, but for some reason have no respect for women. It's like this weird blind spot you have in an otherwise progressive world view.

[MFauli]

He absolutely did. And it's sad that you think otherwise.

He entered a changing room for boys, had no idea about the hole, and then happened to find out about it. No premediated action takes place.


It's really weird that you consider those first three things negatives, but then also consider SJW's a negative, when those first 3 things are exactly the kinds of things SJWs are against.

It´s almost like I´m an individual and not part of the USA´s childish "two sides"-system.


This is why you come off as such a creep. You like free healthcare, gun control, are against racism, but for some reason have no respect for women. It's like this weird blind spot you have in an otherwise progressive world view.

I don´t think unplanned peeping is evil and makes you Hitler-reincarnate. That´s really all. No idea why this makes me lack respect women in every aspect.

[Munsu]

He entered a changing room for boys, had no idea about the hole, and then happened to find out about it. No premediated action takes place.


He very much premeditated looking into it KNOWING full well what he'd see through it. Sorry, but this attempt of yours to make it into a "Hey look a random hole, I'm curious about what I can see through it" ridiculousness is quite daft.

[Kraco]

If he had respect for women, and not only lust, he would have shouted through the hole to the girls to somehow patch it from the other end. Or he would have kept silent about it right then (and obviously not looked through) and contacted the maintenance later. That way the girls wouldn't have even needed to suspect any violations, knowing nothing about it.

No matter how this case is twisted, it won't turn ok. It's not like a mixed gender sauna at a pool female classmates could knowingly enter.

[MFauli]

From the beginning, my point was the way that Mineta attempted to look through the hole was the least bad/evil you could possibly imagine. Whereas others fit an outrage about what a scummy, monstrous person he is because of the attempt. I never disagreed that in legal terms, peeping is criminal and holds consequences if caught by the police.

However, morally speaking, peeping on girls through a small hole is on the lower end of the spectrum (rape and then murder would be on the other end). I cannot accept the generalization that someone who uses a coincidential circumstance to peep on girls doesn´t respect women. Simply because the crime/moral wrongdoing here is so incredibly insignificant that it´s - really - nothing.

Take the last episode Youkoso Jitsuryoku for a different example. A significantly more severe one. Here, several boys PLAN from start to end the peeping on girls. AND they want to make photos/videos of them being naked. That is something I´d condemn, because it takes great effort, planning and risks the spreading of the material, thus really hurting the girls. THAT is "not respecting women".

I can not change your mind if you want to mark me as a creep who doesn´t respect women, because I defend the unintended peeping through a small hole. But that´s what I´ve gotta live with then. Because no matter how hard I think about it, I cannot see the severity in all of it. Imagine Mineta had kept quiet, watched the girls change, the end. What would have happened? Mineta being happy and ...? Nah, I don´t see the "disrespecting women" here.

[Buffalobiian]

No one is arguing that peeping is terribly high on the spectrum on this forum.

What we are arguing is that it is on the spectrum. By repeatedly saying that it's okay or coincidental is to say it is not on the spectrum, which is false. To say his peeping was unintended is also false.

[DarthEnderX]

I defend the unintended peeping through a small hole.How can it be unintended when HE ANNOUNCED WHAT HE WAS DOING AND WHY HE WAS DOING IT BEFORE HE EVEN DID IT?!


Take the last episode Youkoso Jitsuryoku for a different example. A significantly more severe one. Here, several boys PLAN from start to end the peeping on girls. AND they want to make photos/videos of them being naked. That is something I´d condemn, because it takes great effort, planning and risks the spreading of the material, thus really hurting the girls. THAT is "not respecting women".What you're describing here is the difference between grabbing money out of a cash register, and committing armed robbery of a bank.

They're both different degrees of severity of the same issue. Just because you COULD be robbing a bank, and aren't, doesn't make it okay to swipe money from a register.


Nah, I don´t see the "disrespecting women" here.We know you don't...

[MFauli]

No one is arguing that peeping is terribly high on the spectrum on this forum.

What we are arguing is that it is on the spectrum. By repeatedly saying that it's okay or coincidental is to say it is not on the spectrum, which is false. To say his peeping was unintended is also false.

Difference being that I think there is a certain leeway on the spectrum of terribleness that is justifiable, because it registers so lowly/insignificantly on said spectrum. Other examples would be speeding 5 km/h over the official speed limit, or pirating anime online - both of which, however, are worse than an unintentional peep.

And how can it not be unintended? I feel we´re going in circles here. Mineta didn´t know about the hole before entering the room. He happened to find it. Then tried to look through it. That´s it. Intent would have been there had he known about the hole.

@Darth: You can try all you want to paint me as misogyinist here, it won´t make it true. :)

[DarthEnderX]

Other examples would be speeding 5 km/h over the official speed limit, or pirating anime online - both of which, however, are worse than an unintentional peep.
You can try all you want to paint me as misogyinist hereI don't have to.

[MFauli]

I don't have to.

So let me ask: Respecting women in literally any other regard, but thinking that unintentional peeping through a small hole is okay, makes me a misogynist? So I´m on the same level as someone who believes woman should stay at home with the kids and do the cooking?

Pardon me, but I think you´re ridiculous, Darth. And you´re doing exactly the kind of shit that SJWs do: "You´re either 100% for us or 100% against us". Except, ya know, I´m in-between. Like most people.

[NeoCybercoin]

I wonder if this discussion would have went on for as long as it is if the roles were reversed. If a girl peeped and got caught.

[Kraco]

And how can it not be unintended? I feel we´re going in circles here. Mineta didn´t know about the hole before entering the room. He happened to find it. Then tried to look through it. That´s it. Intent would have been there had he known about the hole.

As far as I can remember the ep, it did not go this way: "Huh, what is this hole in the wall? Does it lead to the next room or something? Was there a cable here before? Hmm... Holy shit, it's the girls' changing room!"

It went this way: "Hey, guys, I found there's a hole in this wall and on the other side of the wall must be the girls' fricking changing room! Let's look through this and check which chick has the most fabulous body!"

That's as intentional and intended as it could ever need to be. Check out one of your famous German detective stories on TV, MFauli. Quite often the murder victim is killed simply with something that happened to be readily at hand, not with a gun purchased just for the purpose.

[shinta|hikari]

This discussion is hilarious.

[MFauli]

@Kraco: Do you admit that there is a difference in intent between going into your own changing room and HAPPEN to find that hole, and going into your own changing room BECAUSE you know there is that hole? That´s the difference I´m arguing.


I wonder if this discussion would have went on for as long as it is if the roles were reversed. If a girl peeped and got caught.

Nobody would give a shit then, lol.

[shinta|hikari]

I actually would. My main gripe with peeping is that it isn't about some hot girl gracing a horny boy with some skin. It's about the feelings of those who DON'T want to be seen, be it physical deformities, scars, or just general insecurity about their bodies. Peeping in on them robs them of this privacy and will hurt their feelings or instill fear within them. In that sense, there is no difference between the sexes on both sides, victim or perpetrator.

To be clear, this isn't related to the topic at hand, just a side comment about Mfauli's last remark.

[Kraco]

@Kraco: Do you admit that there is a difference in intent between going into your own changing room and HAPPEN to find that hole, and going into your own changing room BECAUSE you know there is that hole? That´s the difference I´m arguing.

That point is not relevant. What matters is what you do with the hole. It's not an always on TV on the wall, hooked up to a camera in the girls' changing room. It's a tiny hole you need to specifically peek through. You could just leave the hole alone and not care about it. That would be neutral. Or if you are trying to be especially upstanding (like Iida whenever he's not seeking revenge), you would probably patch it shut. Since it's a hero academia, I guess few would blame you if you tried to be like a hero and get rid of the hole.

What comes to the reverse situation, let's not forget the old axiom: If a man sees an unwilling woman naked, the man is a pervert. If a woman sees an unwilling man naked, the man is a pervert.

[DarthEnderX]

"You´re either 100% for us or 100% against us". Except, ya know, I´m in-between. Like most people.Definitions of words are what do that. You either fit the definition of something, or you don't.

If you only murder a few people, you don't get to say you're "in-between" because of all the people you also didn't murder. You are still a murderer.

Thinking that it is okay to look at women naked without their consent means you don't respect women. Straight up, that is what that means. And your attitude is basically "Hey, at least I'm not okay with raping them! That practically makes a feminist!"

[Buffalobiian]

Apparently this wasn't obvious.

11:50 - "Next door is, you know.. The girl's locker room."
11:59 - /rips off poster to enable better peeking.
12:00 - "boobs'
12:02 - /peeks.

He knows. Then he peeks. That's fucking INTENT.

--{in before "This is really minor" (again)}

--Yeah, probably. Still intentional. That doesn't change.


-----------{in before "This is justifiable"}

------------Still intentional. That doesn't change.


This post is written for reference. I'm going to keep referring back to this post when I must repeat myself again.

[MFauli]

@Kraco: I do think it matters. The whole problem in this debate here is the point in time at which you consider intent to come into existence. I would agree that AFTER Mineta discovered the hole, he formed the intent to take a look through it. Yes. HOWEVER, my argument is that he didn´t know about the hole prior to coincidentially stumbling over it. So the entire situation wasn´t planned, it was not his intent to enter the changing room and peep on the girls. There was not intent at the point in time.

Following from there, I think it´s an important difference that the deity of luck shone on somebody, granting him this chance, and somebody who prepared the situation beforehand (see Youkoso Jitsuryoku for a perfect example of INTENT).

Trying to summarize the whole debate:

- Yes, peeping is always a bit scummy
- But it doesn´t hurt anybody when it happens through a tiny hole and without the intent of using devices to take pictures
- Mineta didn´t get into the situation with intent
- he got lucky and then, having been given the chance, intentionally tries to use this chance
- it´s not misogynistic to think a little peeping is alright


Definitions of words are what do that. You either fit the definition of something, or you don't.

If you only murder a few people, you don't get to say you're "in-between" because of all the people you also didn't murder. You are still a murderer.

Your level of extremism is, tbh, quite shocking. It really is full-on SJW semantic. You use the extreme of saying "You´re not in-between just because you didn´t murder some people." No. I´m not murdering anybody. THAT`S the point. In-between means you can hold beliefs that simply don´t adhere to any extreme ideas. But you cannot see that, for you it is murder or no murder. For me, there is a spectrum that would like something like "nothing - making a compliment - peeping - slap on the butt - intimidation - rape - murder". That´s what most people would see, Darth. You don´t. You see "normal - murder". That´s why you´re wrong. That´s why you´re a SW.

[DarthEnderX]

For me, there is a spectrum that would like something like "nothing - making a compliment - peeping - slap on the butt - intimidation - rape - murder". That´s what most people would see, Darth. You don´t. You see "normal - murder".Here's the thing, even on the "spectrum" you provide, there is a very clear tipping point. For reference, everything from the bold on is a crime.

The moment you start committing CRIMES against women, you are no longer respecting them. If I'm an SJW extremist for thinking you shouldn't commit crimes against women, then I guess I'm an SJW extremist.

[MFauli]

Here's the thing, even on the "spectrum" you provide, there is a very clear tipping point. For reference, everything from the bold on is a crime.

The moment you start committing CRIMES against women, you are no longer respecting them. If I'm an SJW extremist for thinking you shouldn't commit crimes against women, then I guess I'm an SJW extremist.

No, you´re a SJW because you only think in extremes, see your "nothing - murder" spectrum you introduced before.

And I have never argued against peeping being a crime if found out. But the entire point of the discussion was to evaluate if peeping makes Mineta a terrible person, to which I replied he´s not, based on the circumstances. I´d absolutely condemn the guys from Youkoso Jitsuryoku, however ...

[Kraco]

@Kraco: I do think it matters. The whole problem in this debate here is the point in time at which you consider intent to come into existence. I would agree that AFTER Mineta discovered the hole, he formed the intent to take a look through it. Yes. HOWEVER, my argument is that he didn´t know about the hole prior to coincidentially stumbling over it. So the entire situation wasn´t planned, it was not his intent to enter the changing room and peep on the girls. There was not intent at the point in time.

Sorry, but I just can't understand that. The intent comes into play as soon as he realises or even suspects that hole might lead to the girls' changing room. There would be no intent if it went like in my previous example, that he simply found a hole and wondered what the heck it is, and then trying to peer through it shockingly found out he could see a girl's boobs. After that if he immediately retreated, he could still be considered innocent considering the nature of the incident (it's not like a person who accidentally knocked over a Ming vase). But if he continued to enjoy the view the intent would already be there.

Mineta noticed an opportunity to perform a crime and immediately went for it. Like a person entering a department store with no intention of stealing anything, but right away going for it when noticing an unguarded, desirable smartphone on a table.

[MFauli]

Kraco, but now we´re back to where we were before. Here, do you see a difference in the level of intent between these two situations:

1.) Mineta enters the changing room, stumbles over the hole, realizes what it is, wants to look at girls

2.) Mineta heard a couple days earlier that they´d use those changing rooms. Thus, he went there ahead of time, drilled the hole, and planned to look at some booty.

This really is what it comes down to. At least for me. I´m saying that situation #1 is okay and doesn´t make Mineta an overly bad person.

[DarthEnderX]

This is what happens when they skip a week.

Never skip a week Hero Academia.


I´m saying that situation #1 is okay and doesn´t make Mineta an overly bad person.What it makes him is a person that doesn't respect women. Whether that makes him a bad person or not depends on your personal definition of bad.

You think it doesn't, because you have the exact same disrespect for women and nobody likes to think of themselves as a bad person.

[shinta|hikari]

I think of myself as a bad person. I'm cruel, manipulative, cold, vengeful, spiteful, and overly zealous in my efforts to hurt those I don't like.

[Buffalobiian]

At least for me. I´m saying that situation #1 is okay and doesn´t make Mineta an overly bad person.

I'm going to infer that this makes #2 not okay for you then.

Please explain why spending more time and effort in preparing to peep at girls is less acceptable than spending less time and effort to prepare.

[fireheart]

This whole thing is just hilarious to read while waiting for a new episode.

Anyway my view is that he had the intent to peep before he went into the changing room, why else would he search the wall? Or maybe you should say he wasn't intent on peeping but hoping for the lucky break of getting to peep when he entered. Unless you have a better reason for why he was searching the wall between them and the girls, it's not like we've ever seen him just search walls and rooms out of curiosity.

Also as for Darths nothing - murder, not sure if I got it but it seemed like Mfauli misunderstood, it's not that it's nothing or everything rather you either are a murder or you aren't. The spectrum is there just that it was an extreme example to show you either are or aren't something. So in terms of respecting women you either do or don't, you don't just respect them sometimes and at other times don't respect them. If you go back and forth between the two then you lean more towards not respecting them. As for why peeping is disrespecting shinta had a pretty good argument for that.

By the way according to German law can a person just strut into the girls changing room take a look at everyone and then exit and it's not a crime because they didn't take any pictures? I mean it's harmless... right? Besides the fact that it's not so secretive

[MFauli]

I´m sure you´d get in trouble for peeping in Germany, too, if caught. Accidentally walking into the wrong room, however, should be no problem.




What it makes him is a person that doesn't respect women. Whether that makes him a bad person or not depends on your personal definition of bad.

You think it doesn't, because you have the exact same disrespect for women and nobody likes to think of themselves as a bad person.


And that´s what I won´t accept and where I call you out as a SJW.
I´m against harassment. I condemn real rape. I´m for equality. I´m chivalrous where it makes sense. And so on. THE ONLY thing where I have an opinion that you could interpret as "anti-women", is my stance on coincidential peeping. What you´re saying is that I´m as bad as all those other people who harass, rape, discriminate, and so on. That´s a black and white view of the world and that I disagree with.


I'm going to infer that this makes #2 not okay for you then.

Please explain why spending more time and effort in preparing to peep at girls is less acceptable than spending less time and effort to prepare.

Because elaborate preparation shows an extreme intent that´s almost incomparable to entering a changing room and happen to find a hole. It´s apples and pears. An analogy would be killing someone because you chose to, and killing someone in self-defense.

[Kraco]

An analogy would be killing someone because you chose to, and killing someone in self-defense.

No, the analogy would be planning someone's murder for half a year and then executing the plan, or simply getting angry and clubbing the person dead in the heat of the moment with whatever suitable object happened to be closest at hand.

[MFauli]

Disagree, simply because I don´t see Mineta having committed a crime on the level of murder in any way whatsoever. Basically, he had no choice but to peep. ;>

[fireheart]

I'm kinda curious though, so peeping and not getting caught is fine morally in your opinion. What's your stance on peeping and getting caught, morally? Or is it the same even when the victim knows about it.

[MFauli]

The difference between getting caught and not is the follow-up events. Getting caught will have more or less serious consequences. Not getting caught will literally have no effect, not to you, not to the "victim".

And just for the record, I can remember that when I was a teen, I once accidentally entered the girls´ lockerroom, because the changing rooms were always confusingly distributed at our school. I turned around and walked away, the end. No police, lol.