Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu

[NeoCybercoin]

Actually wouldn't be surprised if the Sin's were actual fragments of the Witch. Like the stronger they get, the closer so gets to reviving or something.

[Munsu]

Episode 20:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=840330


Time for the hunt.



http://i.imgur.com/DIhTPSE.jpg

[MFauli]

"FUCK - DAT - SHIT"

[NeoCybercoin]

What the actual fuck.

[Munsu]

Subaru, if you haven't noticed yet... this is what I call "Game Over!"

[NeoCybercoin]

I guess this is what happens when your lures are too strong.

[David75]

Subaru thought he was in some kind of RPG. Though I never played one, some anime told me bosses have two sets of paterns and become far troublesome when in the second phase (was already working that way in shmups I played almost 30 years ago...)
So I was waiting for that second phase and was sure that attempt to get rid of the whale would fail as they were not able to finish it, eventhough it's not that fast and not that active in attacking power.
But the huge shout clearly felt like a call... equivalent to the one the whales we know irl use.

The reset Subaru used seems to have changed the save point right mid battle. So it's now impossible to prepare for multiple whales, or even persuade people there's more than one.

Feels like a timeline with no way out, even with reset by death...
Because I do not see what can be changed that will give Subaru and the others a way to win. They need a way to kill the whale quickly enough so that there's no call to others.
And no one there felt strong enough for that feat.

[NeoCybercoin]

What makes you say his reset changed his savepoint to mid battle? He just made himself a bigger target by getting more of that witch's smell. Nothing indicates his save point changed. Thought it would be interesting to see. But what I like is that now we got a partial view of the witch's face.

[shinta|hikari]

This is like a fucking Dark Souls game. You chop the boss to pieces and wonder why it was a little easier than you expected. Then the boss revives with 2 other friends to beat your ass up. Ruin Sentinels and Abyss Walkers, FTW!

He's gotta reset now. The charismatic elites just died, but he got tons of good information from that battle. The fog, the smoke, the the scream, and the three whales.

Gotta say Wilhelm was an idiot. If you can carve the eyes out, DO THAT FIRST. And do both fucking eyes lol.

They need to kill the beast from inside. Fortunately, it likes chowing on anything in its path, including the ground, so just bomb that shit.

The dimensional sword was severely underused. It's pretty imba and seems to have a charge time, but you gotta come closer and aim for the eyes or mouth, not the obviously tough skin.

[MFauli]

Yeah, David, what´s this talk about changing the reset point? When has Subaru gained the ability to willingly change it? I agree with Neo, Subaru gathered more "curse smell" to lure the whale.

As I see it, there´s a clear path to victory: Get Reinhard, reveal to him that Wilhelm is his father (which is beyond obvious now), and the father-son-tag team will fuck up three whales by themselves, unleashing the most murderous sword combo in all of history.

And damn, why is Rem so good? When Subaru said "Sorry, Rem, we´re going where it´s the most dangerous", she just smiles and says "wherever you go". Fuck Subaru, fucking idiot.

[MasterOfMoogles]

This is like a fucking Dark Souls game. You chop the boss to pieces and wonder why it was a little easier than you expected. Then the boss revives with 2 other friends to beat your ass up. Ruin Sentinels and Abyss Walkers, FTW!

He's gotta reset now. The charismatic elites just died, but he got tons of good information from that battle. The fog, the smoke, the the scream, and the three whales.

Gotta say Wilhelm was an idiot. If you can carve the eyes out, DO THAT FIRST. And do both fucking eyes lol.

They need to kill the beast from inside. Fortunately, it likes chowing on anything in its path, including the ground, so just bomb that shit.

The dimensional sword was severely underused. It's pretty imba and seems to have a charge time, but you gotta come closer and aim for the eyes or mouth, not the obviously tough skin.

I don't know... I doubt anyone important has died yet.

Wolf man, they only showed his mount ripped in half. Wilhelm, almost certainly can chop it up from inside.

[shinta|hikari]

The chopping from the inside is a trope I really don't like, but it actually makes sense for whales, who I believe don't chew.

Even if those 2 haven't died yet, they have screwed up too much to beat 3 whales now. Only a deus ex machina twist could allow them to win this fight at this point.

It's funny how they brought squads of mounted knights literally as fodder. The elites deal damage, the mages irritate the whale, while the knights tank the whale's attacks by actually dying.

[shinta|hikari]

I need to get this (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/08/15-1/kadokawa-previews-art-for-rezero-rem-leg-cushion-pillow) once it's out.

[MFauli]

Hm, is that artwork final? The face looks slightly off

[shinta|hikari]

It's final. That's illustrated by the LN illustrator, so it's different from the anime style.

[shinta|hikari]

Episode 21.









What an awesome battle. Not a fan of Wilhelm unleashing ridic attacks that chop off chunks of the whale, but I can ignore that and chalk it up to theatrics.

Rem is the like ultimate waifu. Subaru should just go and switch #1 and #2 already. See that scene with them snuggling? It's inevitable.

As I predicted, the annoying knight guy makes an appearance to "help." I hope Subaru's anger doesn't make him act uncool in front of this guy again. In a way, this bastard is more to blame for his insanity than crazy dude. He was the one who created the rift between Subaru and Emilia. That said, he was also the trigger for Subaru to become bad ass.

I wonder if annoying knight would still act all arrogant after Subaru has already proven himself as a hero. Defeating a 400 year old monster kinda makes you untouchable in the accomplishments department.

BTW, that tree is fucking weak. It's like several times thicker than the whale but fell from one barrage of spells coming from a decimated army.

It's kinda funny that despite Mfauli saying this show was unpredictable, my and his predictions combined actually foretold the events of this entire arc lol. I think rather than unpredictability or freshness, what makes this show so good is execution. They just do things right when they need to.

[MFauli]

good episode overall.

But seriously, FUCK Subaru. Wanted to punch him when he said to Crusch "if I hadn´t a #1 and #2 already ...", yeah, fuck off! You declined #2 and you never had #1. You´re just being an arrogant, little prick who´s still way too full of himself.

I actually hope the annoying knights manages to reveal Subaru´s true self once again. That would be unexpected and welcome.

Seriously, I was furious when Subaru was pressing his forehead against Rem´s. Fuck this shit, he has no right for such intimacy.

[shinta|hikari]

Why can't he have both Rem and Emilia? I'm pretty sure Rem would be okay with that (versus not being picked at all). Emilia is another matter, but Subaru has all the time in the world to get into her panties.

The Krusch (sp?) scene didn't redeem her at all in my eyes. First, if she could shoot those projectiles with no limitation, fucking use them like that from the start. Second, she doesn't get to act all nice now. She was a bitch when Subaru was a nobody. A person who is only nice to people they can use is the farthest from being kind. Third, she deserves to be ruler much more than Emilia. She's a conniving evil bitch, the perfect personality for a politician. I wish Rem was there when Subaru mentioned #1 and #2 and clocked Krusch right in the face, AND THEN taught Subaru the meaning of bondage.

[MFauli]

The fact that Rem would be okay with it is even more reason why it mustn´t happen. She´s too good.

[shinta|hikari]

I don't get it. The more the merrier, right?

Either way, the author won't end this with Subaru just dumping and forgetting about Rem and getting together with Emilia. That would go against everything shown about their relationship so far and the promise they made this episode.

The possible endings are:
1) Harem end.
2) Rem dies or goes into an eternal coma, at which time Emilia saves Subaru from despair and cements #1 seat. Emilia can't die because she's central to the plot. Rem, however, is just a decoration, which ironically, exceeded everything else the show has to offer as a main pull.

EDIT:
And before I forget to mention: BOOB BAGS. The safety feature needed for any vehicle ever and will ever be made.

[Buffalobiian]

Yes. Boob bags are best.

Instead of a weak tree I think the spells are just that strong. They brought out weapons of war and even a Night Banisher. The whale just had anti-magic skin that's second only to a honey badgers'.

I have to wonder at what these troops hope to do against Sloth. The only counter to his hands so far is OP Puck.

[shinta|hikari]

Huh? Wouldn't a barrage of magic pawn him? His hands are invisible, not omnipotent. I bet Krusch's cheap sword could kill him if she started from sufficiently far away. Her slashes are invisible too.

[Buffalobiian]

That's if they don't get ambushed first. I didn't see artillery being part of MC's troops.

[MFauli]

The biggest question is WHO DIES at the end of this season. It´s obvious that we´re getting a second season (or at least should) and the overall story won´t be resolved this season. But it will end with something tragic. I don´t want to type it out, but my guess is: When everthing seems to be fine, Rem dies, and there´s no way to undo it.

[shinta|hikari]

Remeo must die.

[MFauli]

Baseless prediction that would greatly please me:

It is revealed Ram is the witch, who wishes Rem to lead a happy life. Season ends with Emilia dying.

[shinta|hikari]

Why do you think the witch's identity will be revealed? I think I've mentioned this before, but the anime ends in the 3rd arc of the novels, according to reddit at least. I think it has twice more arcs than that, so we are just about halfway into the story.

[MFauli]

I dunno, but it´d be kinda lame to keep the witch´s identity hidden past this point. They should reveal it, but introduce a new twist on top of it.

[KrayZ33]

There is no reason to reveal the witch at all so far (yet). The show works, with her as the "corrupting" presence and unknown power, just fine. At the same time, there is no need to reveal the dragon either.

What I'd like to be revealed is the culprit behind the "memory erase", because it was/is clearly not the white wale.

[MFauli]

Huh, it was revealed that the whale´s smoke caused the eradication of somebody´s existence.

[KrayZ33]

Huh, it was revealed that the whale´s smoke caused the eradication of somebody´s existence.

It was revealed that Subaru thinks that is happening. Either he's wrong or the author messed up royally (imho). They lost soldiers, but it was nothing like when he traveled with the merchant.


They actually remember that they had 20 men, the Merchant (Odo was his name?) didn't even remember that he traveled in a group, or did he? I can't remember - and if he did, isn't it more likely that he remembers the merchants that survived, since the whale only followed Subaru. And it would be weird that the whale has to eliminate them in a specific way for them not to be erased.
At least he didn't remember that Subura had a companion.

That beast existed for 400 years. How do Survivors know that the whale killed someone? Why does the Old Man even remember his wife? etc. etc.

And why did the whale "let Subaru go" and "disappear", it clearly tried to kill him? Something is not adding up imho, but I could be wrong.

[shinta|hikari]

I thought that the squad leader believed he had 20 men, but he actually had more and completely forgot about them after they got hit by the fog attack. Subaru was the only one who remembered, being one of the witch's sins. That's why he concluded the fog blast erases existence.

[KrayZ33]

Ya but it's odd that he knows he had 20 men in the first place. If they are completely erased, you'd think that he'd say "all 16 out of 16 are still alive" and Subaru would say something like "weren't they 20?".

Odo, Otto or whatever his name was, should at least have remembered Rems sacrifice... basically "someone sacrificed himself so we could escape". But he forgot about her completely, as if she never was there in the first place.

edit: Also, remember how the first merchant disappeared.
No fog, no sound, just gone.

If it is the whale, I believe they could've done a better job explaining it and be more consistent.

[MFauli]

I´m leaning towards: The author didn´t think this through. Think of it like Steins;Gate, where characters other than Okabe would occasionally have memories from other world lines.

[MFauli]

new episode is out
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Don´t fuck this up, Ram! sigh
She looks like she´s in full "Im here to keep you from getting close to Emilia"-mode, allowing for no negotiation at all.

[shinta|hikari]

You know what would be awesome? If Subaru reveals that he actually died dozens of times since regaining his resolve from Rem's love before he actually got this far. I mean, his luck and success so far have been ridiculous. You don't just suddenly git gud like that. You die several times first, just like any hardcore video game.

Subaru's allies are pretty imba. If a dipshit like Subaru can dodge those arms, old swordsman would've killed Betel whatever anyway. He can just Bankai and teleport behind Betel and chop him to pieces... I mean, the arms could be cut... How weak is that..?

I loved the scene where he confirmed Betel's death. That was just hilarious and so meta.

[Munsu]

new episode is out
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Don´t fuck this up, Ram! sigh
She looks like she´s in full "Im here to keep you from getting close to Emilia"-mode, allowing for no negotiation at all.

I believe we're about to see Roswaal's true colors. And if that's true, I wonder how Ram died in all the previous instances. Did she die at the hands of Mr. Sloth, or was Emilia and company responsible for Ram's deaths?

[NeoCybercoin]

Yeah, the further this goes, the less I trust Roswaal. I'd suspect him of being a member of the Cult but Ram and Rem can smell that so I doubt he'd go unnoticed. That, or he could somehow mask it.

[shinta|hikari]

Roswaal wants Emilia to be queen so he can gain power. Why waste all his effort if he's just gonna kill her randomly in the end? He could've done so many times before.

Puck also seems to know about sins, including Subaru's. He just turns a blind eye to it because Subaru seems like a nice kid. Didn't it seem odd how attached Puck was to Subaru? It all makes sense with his conversation with Subaru before killing him that last time. Puck knows a lot more than he let's on, and he might be getting close to Subaru to keep an eye on him. It'd be odd for him to leave Emilia in Roswaal's care if the utterly suspicious guy is actually suspicious.

I think Ram just mistook Subaru's force, which is made up of Emilia's enemies, as an attack group. And coz she inherited all the bad genes.

[Munsu]

Roswaal wants Emilia to be queen so he can gain power. Why waste all his effort if he's just gonna kill her randomly in the end? He could've done so many times before.

Puck also seems to know about sins, including Subaru's. He just turns a blind eye to it because Subaru seems like a nice kid. Didn't it seem odd how attached Puck was to Subaru? It all makes sense with his conversation with Subaru before killing him that last time. Puck knows a lot more than he let's on, and he might be getting close to Subaru to keep an eye on him. It'd be odd for him to leave Emilia in Roswaal's care if the utterly suspicious guy is actually suspicious.

I think Ram just mistook Subaru's force, which is made up of Emilia's enemies, as an attack group. And coz she inherited all the bad genes.

Let me poke at the bee's nest without interruption!

[NeoCybercoin]

Episode 23 is out!

[MFauli]

Was that confirmation that Emilia IS the witchß Beetlejuice clearly shouted "My witch!" towards her.

Also LOL @Emilia´s magic barrier in the forest. So it only works when you hold it. How does it keep mabeast from the village then, when they can just run inbetween trees? Inconsistency for drama´s sake.

Dumb Wilhelm is dumb. Why did he just stay in place until Beetlejuice could explode himself, holding a little speech to announce it?

And fuck. I wonder if Subaru really died here. Would mean another reset. Also I wanna know what keeps Beetlejuice from overtaking Julius, Felis or anybody else´s body. Because Subaru held the book?

[shinta|hikari]

He'll naturally reset. The village got pawned. Maybe Petra is even dead. He had to die to redo all that anyway. I'm sure he'll respawn post whale fight, maybe even after he defeated the first Betel body.

So how the fuck does that possession thing even work? Can Sloth just target anyone when he doesn't have a body? In that case, they have to seal him somehow. Maybe it really is the book and they just have to burn that. It seemed important to the psycho guys after all.

Emilia and Puck suck at using their magic. If you can make ice crystals spout from all around the enemy, make them spout from underneath him. Then he loses footing, then you kill him with an ice spear or two. It's like they don't know how to fight... Or that Emilia's magic has no consistency whatsoever.

What's stopping her from spouting ice crystals directly on the enemy's body? What's the difference between the ground and a stationary person? What... Whatever.

About the crystal, I'm thinking it works like a barrier when used in conjunction with the other stones. Subaru took one out, breaking the area effect, but since he is holding onto it, the dogs didn't touch him. At least that's how I want to think it happened so I can complain about 1 less thing.

[NeoCybercoin]

Maybe it is the book or maybe it can be anyone with a strong enough 'love' on them. AKA Witch's Miasma. Something Subaru owns plenty of. I kinda wanna see him become a spirit user now that Julius said he has a strong affinity for them.

[shinta|hikari]

Is the loli girl a spirit?

[Buffalobiian]

You just want him to be a loli user.

I think it's the book. If Beetlejuice could have taken his body originally it would have made sense to do it sooner. He only just revealed the book.

If it was based on Miasma then he should have an even higher priority since his stench is Sin Archbishop grade.

Puck might be inefficient, but he's totally boss for saying stuff like "I get why you drool over my daughter but go die now"

[shinta|hikari]

You just want him to be a loli user.

I think we all know that. You've been stating the obvious a lot recently. Is that a side effect of being a doctor? (I'm kidding, in case feathers get ruffled.)

[MFauli]

Speaking of loli, damn your sig. Once I take a look at it, I cant stop staring. Blue hairs ftw.

[Buffalobiian]

Shinta, it's a side effect off being overseas, having patchy Internet and posting on a phone.

It MAY also be part of the job too.

[KrayZ33]

Sheet, dem cliffhangers.

Subaru's quest is so fucked up. There are only 2 episodes left, I guess we won't have a hard reset and it'll be (hopefully) quick. I wonder if he'll get a power-up from all this and what happens to his "witch aura".

[shinta|hikari]

This will definitely get a second season. There is enough content, and this somewhat rocked the anime world like SnK did.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 24


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That's it! That's how you do it Subaru. Identify everything that went wrong in the last move and correct them all this time round.

Beatlejuice got baited hard. Subaru made it look so easy.

I don't remember there being information leakage in the previous episode, but whatever. I'll just pretend there was, and that the spy issue didn't come out of nowhere. I'll also assume that the village spy was a witch-follower-wannabe and didn't have any significant miasma to speak of.

[neflight86]

Those scenes with Subaru in the magic hoodie 'fooling' Emelia were so cringe-worthy that even the serviceable explanation after the fact didn't make up for the anguish endured watching what felt like out of place scenes.

I'm still unsure if we (the audience) have all, or even most of the rules for this whole 'witch' thing. It makes his interactions with Sloth a little harder to follow. Who can do what, where the power comes from and can be directed, and so on. Good episode, nonetheless.

[shinta|hikari]

They should've masked Subaru from our POV as well.

@Buff - What info leakage?

[Buffalobiian]

They should've masked Subaru from our POV as well.

@Buff - What info leakage?

Unless there was suspicion of information being leaked, I wouldn't have thought to look for a spy amongst the villages, much less bait one.

[shinta|hikari]

Wasn't that spy the dude who bombed himself in the previous cycle? Subaru already knew the guy's face, wagon, and plan. It's only natural he can intercept it.

[Buffalobiian]

Oh, the witch cult who snuck in as a merchant? I remember him now. I assumed this guy was a villager.

[shinta|hikari]

Can't blame you. They went out of their way to make him maximum generic.

[NeoCybercoin]

Final Episode is out.

I....expected more.

[MFauli]

Yeah, I was disappointed by the lack of a big reveal/twist.

Anyway, shinta, I know a loli (she´s only 1,80, a whole five centimeters smaller than me, haha!!1 No, I´m joking because it´ll make her eyes roll) who says you probably know the manga/novel and used some spoiler stuff involuntarily when making "predictions" here!!1

[shinta|hikari]

Unfortunately, no. I haven't read the LN for Re:Zero because it hasn't been translated yet. While I can read Japanese to a certain extent, LNs are too taxing to read because they aren't voiced like VNs.

Also, I read in an article that the content in this episode exceeds the published LNs. The web novel goes much further according to posts I've read in the net, but who knows if that'll even look anything like the official LN when they come out.

Also, I didn't call the whale fight. I didn't even think of it. It was you who predicted that. Nice job.

Overall, so so final episode. The fight made no sense. If Julius is just gonna Noble Phantasm his way to Betel by melting the hands, what was the point of... everything? The shared vision, the chopping arms, the jumping around. Just NP that shit and be done with it. Don't tell me that requires charging via normal attacks and taking hits like a fucking game.

Worse, if you can pitch a bomb, just pitch it at the start of the fight. The stone is too small to see and will likely hit Betel directly, killing him. The end...

The fights in this show are really fancy and cool, but they are stupid as hell.

Betel's "death" was also arbitrary as fuck. His body is already dead. So, what does burning and falling off a carriage do different that suddenly makes him permanently dead..?

Rem got screwed so badly. Now she has no place. I wanted a harem end, but she just got forgotten WTF.

All that said, the direction, music, artistry involved in this episode was top notch. The director really did a great job. It was artistic without being Shafty, and that's a big achievement in anime nowadays. See Berserk.

[NeoCybercoin]

I guess fire purifies/purges him. But ultimately he passed away because his book said it was the end and he really seemed to live by that book.

According to my brother who accidentally read some spoilers, there should have been a massive shitstorm in this episode. But I suppose they're going to do that in the first ep of the second season if we'll ever get one.

[MFauli]

I read "that spoiler", too. TBH I don´t understand why they didn´t show it. Would have been the perfect cliffhanger twist to keep fans talking for years. Now it´s a cookie cutter happy end, boy got girl-ending.

And I agree, Shinta: The moment you start using your brain, all those battles become so stupid. How did Subaru know using his "skill" would keep Betelgeuse out of his body? Why is he suddenly such an experienced, cool fighter to make that cool pistol finger-gesture when shooting the fire fairy? Writing in the book with blood. sigh.

And the final slap in Rem´s face: When he told Emilia "this is the most divine lap pillow I´ve ever had my head sitting on". When just a few episodes he had his head on Rem´s lap. MESSAGE RECEIVED. :/

[shinta|hikari]

What spoiler are you guys talking about?

Time for a new sig. Rem pretty much kept sinking in the image below, destined to be forgetten under the waves.

Did the bitch Emilia even apologize for abandoning Subaru like that?

[NeoCybercoin]

So I've been thinking.The Witch's called the Jealous Witch right? Emilia has never known love like this as far as we know. Wouldn't someone like that eventually grow jealous of Rem and the other girls that are friendly/affectionate to Subaru? I wouldn't be surprised if she actually became the Witch because of jealousy. Just slowly become full on Yandere.

[shinta|hikari]

And the witch controls time. And her VA is the same as the witch. So yeah... But maybe these are all red herrings. I really hope they are.

[KrayZ33]

Awww, what a cute ending. I really hope we'll see a second season.

(Subaru nearly ruined it with his goofy comments though... god knows, I still despise that behavior.)

They really teased the witch in this last episode and her interest in Subaru (probably even "love"?). And there is still this Pride thing going on with Subaru.

[David75]

And as we have been told a lot, the witch shadow really ressembled Emilia a lot.

[Munsu]

Before people get ahead of themselves... NO, this is NOT a "season 2 confirmed" post. This is my usual, "I'm months/years behind, and I just finished it" post.

So... just quickly, I had stopped on episode 23, and finally finished this up. Overall, it was an interesting anime to watch, pretty good direction and character interaction. It felt like it had a lot of wasted moments due to the "Groundhog Day" effect, so it moved slow as fuck setting shit up, for a usually quick/underwhelming resolution to its plots.

Episodes 24 and 25 where really meh, compared to episode 23 which I recall being quite good and leaving us with an interesting cliffhanger from which to build of. That said, as underwhelming as the last couple of episodes were, the series as a whole was satisfactory from purely a character emotional journey standpoint.

Too much was setup throughout the series that was left hanging, so I hope we get more. Complaints aside, this was a cool series to watch and it delivered in spades.

These fuckwads can't let this be merely a marketing tool for the LNs, they have to produce more anime. They have to.

[shinta|hikari]

They have enough content. The problem is the next arc is as long as this anime or even longer, so they need time to prepare for it.

[Munsu]

They have enough content. The problem is the next arc is as long as this anime or even longer, so they need time to prepare for it.

Well, I hope that's the case. Having enough content has never been a confidence generator when a series calls for a sequel.

[KrayZ33]

Just heard that the second season has been announced last week.

Weeeeee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCXlrNYghHs

[Munsu]

Just heard that the second season has been announced last week.

Weeeeee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCXlrNYghHs

Awesome!

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-03-23/re-zero-anime-video-reveals-2nd-tv-anime-season/.144910

[KrayZ33]

Man, I'm currently rewatching season 1 and it's almost funny how fucked up Subaru is. He is so full of flaws... not just in terms of strength, but his personality, too.

If it weren't for his 24/7 nonsense-talk, which is from time to time rather funny - but simply too much, he'd be such a great character for any/every story.

He's seriously unlikeable, but at the same time, you know he suffered a hundred deaths, which have an extremely believable impact on his mental state and you can't help but think that he acts like a real human being because of that.
I hope in season 2, he'll still treat death as what it is, a painful experience... and won't start killing himself because he embarassed himself or something.

Too bad he has this super-over-the-top goofy side to him. It actually made the show quite a bit worse imho. It's a cringefest whenever that happens.

[MFauli]

Im rewatching, too, atm. Binged 9 episodes since yesterday. The most important confirmation: Re zero wasnt just good for being one of the first isekai anime; its a great anime fullstop and leaps ahead of the isekai crap we get these days.


Secondly, its astounding how almost halfway in Rem isnt likeable at all and I actually like Emilia. Ofd I know thats about to change, but still. But thats the greatest quality of this show: Its unpredicgability.

Its also a sad reminder how shit most anime nowadays are, isekai or not. Of the 9 episodes ive rewatched so far, not a single one was boring. I wish more anime put effort into eliminating the filler-ish feeling often ocurring.

Ah, damn, episode 15. Tears flowing from my eyes again ��

Edit:

Episode 18 warched. And tears flowing AGAIN. God, Rem really is the best bestgirl ever. And fu, Subaru ("I love Emilia" ��*♀️).

Edit 2:

Rewatxh finished. This anime is as great as it was the first time. Ive to admit that i ended up liking Emilia a bit more than i did the first time, although rejecting Rem will never cease to be shocking.

[MFauli]

Episode 1 of the remastered version almost here - I'm actually really in the mood for it despite the recent rewatch :o

[MFauli]

Hm, is this different at all? Just saw that MAL isn't listing this. If it's 1:1 the same i guess i don't need to watch it.

[KrayZ33]

It's a directors cut, you might get something different depending on what was changed or cut. The rest is the same.

[DarthEnderX]

So I finally just got around to watching this series. I wish I'd known a Director's Cut was starting literally this season, because I would have waited and just watched that instead.

Anyway, it was very good. For an Isekai, the characters are extremely well written, and I've very invested in learning more about the mystery of this world.

My only real complaint is the pacing at points. It feels like he spends about 1 pass to many on each individual timeloop. He spends, like, a quarter of the series in each loop, and by the 3rd or 4th time through each one, it's starts to feel repetitive.

Also, that one loop in the high teens, right before he gets "back to zero" is really rough. He goes through, like, 3 passes just screaming and crying and not making any progress at all.

Anyway, I'm glad this show has shown some restraint so far with it's groundhog day concept. I'm honestly surprised the main character hasn't tried to become a master swordsman or master sorcerer by just getting in 4 days of training, then killing himself over and over. I assume that's still going to happen at some point, but I give them props for waiting this long.

I'd say I still probably prefer KonoSuba because I love that show's humor, but this is probably my 2nd favorite Isekai series now. And I'm hoping it continues at some point.


you know he suffered a hundred deathsHasn't he only died, like, 10 times so far? 3 times on the first day, 3 times in the days leading up to the mabeasts attack, 3 times getting back to the mansion, and then once more in the mansion attack after defeating the whale.

[MFauli]

. And I'm hoping it continues at some point.

.

Well, aren't you lucky.

Also, he probably won't ever start killing himself for training, because he makes it a point to say how much dying hurts

And he actually kinda did abuse his deaths for training. Both in learning to read and to use dark magic.

[DarthEnderX]

And he actually kinda did abuse his deaths for training. Both in learning to read and to use dark magic.Yeah, but he never killed himself repeatedly JUST to train more. He just learned those things overs the normal course of trying not to die.

Like when Wlhelm was training him, he coulda done 100 loops where he just trained for four days at a time.

[KrayZ33]

Hasn't he only died, like, 10 times so far? 3 times on the first day, 3 times in the days leading up to the mabeasts attack, 3 times getting back to the mansion, and then once more in the mansion attack after defeating the whale.



That wasn't supposed to be taken literally.
I don't know how often he died, he died quite a few times though. The thing is, he suffered through all of them and the worst part about is that no one remembers anything he sacrificed.


And I'm hoping it continues at some point.

next season.


Yeah, but he never killed himself repeatedly JUST to train more. He just learned those things overs the normal course of trying not to die.

Like when Wlhelm was training him, he coulda done 100 loops where he just trained for four days at a time.

I remember that a big part about it, is that he doesn't know how often he will "respawn"... It could stop for whatever reason, just like it started for whatever reason - and he is scared.
It's kinda inefficient too imho.

It's like killing yourself in a game like Diablo just because you think you can't beat the endboss or something. Why not try it at least first and see if you can defeat him without grinding.
It's better to kill yourself if you know you fucked up.
However, maybe he will do something like that one day when he knows he can't fix something unless he knows how to defeat XY in combat.

[MFauli]

Despite having rewatched the anime a couple months ago only, I'm really enjoying this re-release a lot. It just feels comfortable :o Really shows how bad all the later isekai anime are. ReZero is so much better. And all the characters are great. I really hope season 2 is 25 episodes, too, and goes all in on world building. I want to see Roswal in action. I want to see a dragon. I want to find out about the king. And, and, and. Such an intriguing world.

[MFauli]

Revision Episode 4:

It's so weird, but this is like my favorite anime atm. Makes me feel at home.

About the episode: It still to this day annoys me that Rem killed Subaru in one of his lives. She doesn't even give a good reason. "You smell like the witch and I want to keep trouble from the mansion" - oooookay, so how about talk it out? Talk to Roswal first? Talk to Subaru? To Emilia? Clearly Subaru wasn't putting up any fight, so why she still kiled him without mercy?! It just taints her character which, in evry other scene, is so nice.

[DarthEnderX]

Because she WANTS to kill him, because he smells like the people that killed her entire family.

In the other runs, he gives her a reason not to kill him because he spends time with her and she gets to know him. In that run, he doesn't, he's just the stranger that smells like her family's murderers.

[MFauli]

Because she WANTS to kill him, because he smells like the people that killed her entire family.

In the other runs, he gives her a reason not to kill him because he spends time with her and she gets to know him. In that run, he doesn't, he's just the stranger that smells like her family's murderers.

Ah! That actually makes sense. Thx.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 08

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While Rem is great currently, I can't ever forget how much of a bitch she was earlier.

As for episode 08, they kept my favourite ending scene from the 1st run where Puck was in giant form and went "fuck this world".

[DarthEnderX]

"If my daughter ain't in this world no more, none o' y'all get to be in it either."

[MFauli]

Making threads for the likely popular shows now, so that this forum isn't dead when summer season starts in like 12 days. Obviously, everyone will be watching Re:Zero, because otherwise you're not one of the cool kids!


When Subaru Natsuki leaves the convenience store, the last thing he expects is to be wrenched from his everyday life and dropped into a fantasy world. Things aren't looking good for the bewildered teenager; however, not long after his arrival, he is attacked by some thugs. Armed with only a bag of groceries and a now useless cell phone, he is quickly beaten to a pulp. Fortunately, a mysterious beauty named Satella, in hot pursuit after the one who stole her insignia, happens upon Subaru and saves him. In order to thank the honest and kindhearted girl, Subaru offers to help in her search, and later that night, he even finds the whereabouts of that which she seeks. But unbeknownst to them, a much darker force stalks the pair from the shadows, and just minutes after locating the insignia, Subaru and Satella are brutally murdered.

However, Subaru immediately reawakens to a familiar scene—confronted by the same group of thugs, meeting Satella all over again—the enigma deepens as history inexplicably repeats itself.

I thought it'd be better to have a fresh thread for season 2, considering how much of Re:Zero's awesomeness stems from its unpredictable plot development, so that shouldn't be ruined for newcomers.

The teaser trailer is maji exciting, but it'll be hard to match, lest even surpass, the fantastic first season.

Btw am I the only one who doesn't know what happens? Just trying to gauge if I need to be careful when discussing this, wouldn't want to be spoiled by some light novel reader ,>

[Munsu]

Yeah, I'll probably merge the two threads, I see no reason to keep it separated.

[DarthEnderX]

So the director's cut thing ended right? Can you sum up any important differences between that version and the original?

[MFauli]

So the director's cut thing ended right? Can you sum up any important differences between that version and the original?

Can't remember a single significant change, honestly.

[DarthEnderX]

That's good. I don't have to rewatch it then.

[MFauli]

episode 1:


Welcome back, depression

[DarthEnderX]

"Hello darkness, my old friend..."

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 1, aka Episode 26.

This is honestly a boost for Rem. Have her be unavailable for a while and have Subaru realise how much he misses her. And I'm not even a Rem fan.

My favourite development is actually with Crusch. Despite losing her memories it is quickly obvious why she is well respected. She will stand for what's fundamentally right and also doesn't take shit lying down.

Greed landing a sneak attack on Rem feels cheap, but it keeps the option open up later for Rem beating Gluttony 1v1 feasible.

[MFauli]

Was it explained why Crusch wasn't forgotten by everyone? Did Gluttony intentionally only eat part of her "soul"?

[shinta|hikari]

Yes, it was explicitly said that Gluttony only ate her "memories", not her "name". In contrast, Rem's "name" and "memories" were eaten, leading to her comatose state. Gluttony probably spared Crusch's "name" because they need her awake for some nefarious objective.

I do think they can get those things back if they manage to murder Gluttony. Otherwise, there is no reason for Rem's body to remain alive.

[MFauli]

Or they can't get it back and it'll be a later dark twist/revelation that sends Subaru into further despair 🙈💀😿

Subaru: I'm here as the hero who defeats you and brings back all the memories and names you've eaten!

Gluttony: Whaddaya talkin bout? I've long since digested those, dummy.

[Buffalobiian]

I too think they'll get it back.

[DarthEnderX]

I was wondering how long it would be before the series updated his save point to a place too late to fix something.

[David75]

Found the art and visual quality severely lacking. Way to bland and overly simplified. But maybe it was already the case years ago and I'm now used to recent shows art styles and simplification choices.

Can't say much about it plot yet.

[KrayZ33]

I like Greed's character and voice actor.
I'm interested in how they will fight him eventually. He seems pretty OP.

Beetlejuice was nothing to laugh at but Greed seems to just slice everything into pieces at his will.
Or maybe we just didn't see what was really going on because Subaru is, just like with beetlejuice, the only one who can see something invisible to the normal eye.

I was really glad that Crusch did actually follow up on her threat and attacked Greed after he failed to satisfy her demands

[MFauli]

Makes me wonder if Subaru FINALLY gets a real battle upgrade. Ofc, there's the risk of falling into typical shounen traps where the hero too quickly gets to strong, and where past strengths of the writing get lost, because they're replaced by simple fighting. But with how much time is spent on Subaru himself saying how weak he is, he really ought to get stronger. Personally, I'd still favor a "training arc" where he trains under Wilhelm and kills himself like a 10000 times to have all the time in the world to get stronger. Ofc, that would need to be justified by a very strong reasoning, because suicide shouldn't lose its terror.

[shinta|hikari]

I've read spoilers about the development of his abilities. I can give you a vague idea if you want.

[MFauli]

No, pls no spoilers! Thx for the offer, but no, pls. Not even a hint.

[MFauli]

episode 2:

So ... is Echidnea Satella or someone completely different again?

The setup how Subaru meets her is just so chilling , all the corpses. Also the ending, omg , when you see Subaru burst up in bloody splatter as his next life keeps on trucking.

What I love most about this anime is that I can't make any real prediction about what's going to happen.

[KrayZ33]

Coprses? Is there an "uncensored" version or something?
I did see them in the trailer, but now they are not there.

[Buffalobiian]

I didn't see corpses.

[DarthEnderX]

I think MFauli is remembering the other thing. I think it was the preview/trailer for this season that came out, like, a year ago.

Edit: This one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjOPj-wdHx4).

[MFauli]

Oh, yeah. I guess I assumed that the trailer scene was what's coming next, and then I saw the ending and kimda jumped ahead.

[NeoCybercoin]

So...who else thinks that Subaru now has Bazel's Witch Factor?

[Buffalobiian]

So...who else thinks that Subaru now has Bazel's Witch Factor?

Maybe. Anime logic would suggest so (killing an enemy will inherit their power). I'm assuming Witch Factor would be the power to use moves such as Invisible Hands. Whether the whole idea of hands is tied to Sloth's Witch Factor, or whether the factor simply manifests as an individualised power (might not be hands for Subaru) is yet to be seen.

I kind of hope he doesn't get it though. I like the idea that someone else obtained it because Subaru didn't know about the power beforehand and left it lying around. You know, consequences and all.

[KrayZ33]

After watching episode 2 and now the movie, I wonder who Beetlejuice truely was.

In the movie, he was featured too, I believe. An uncorrupted version though that was crying while holding (in Emilia's memory) her hand - so he had some kind of connection with Emilia. (I sure as hell hope it's not her father or something considering how the whole thing has been portrayed in the movie)
In episode 2, Beako mentioned him too.

I'm really interested in the story of S2 by now and how things will come together.

[MFauli]

episode 2:

So ... is Echidnea Satella or someone completely different again?


Since nobody answered, I assume the answer is "we don't know".

Ever since I saw the trailer, I thought she'd be Satella considering how she looks like Emilia. But now she's claling herself Echidnea. Hm

[KrayZ33]

She described herself as the Witch of Greed.

Satella is referred to as the Witch of Envy.

[DarthEnderX]

Whether the whole idea of hands is tied to Sloth's Witch Factor, or whether the factor simply manifests as an individualised power (might not be hands for Subaru) is yet to be seen.Invisible penii?


She described herself as the Witch of Greed.

Satella is referred to as the Witch of Envy.Yep. Means there's probably 7 witches.

As soon as Betel called himself the Sin Archbishop of Sloth I assumed that there would be 7 Sin Archbishops and they'd all worship Satella. But now I assume that each witch has their own Bishop.

[Buffalobiian]

That explains why Beetlenjuice attacked Subaru despite thinking Subaru was the Archbishop of Pride. What was weird was how jealous Beetlejuice got when Subaru seemed more well loved by his witch, when it's now presumably not the witch that they're seeking affection from.

[MFauli]

episode 3:

So Echidna is the answer to "What if Emilia had personality".

I love her.

[DarthEnderX]

She seems pretty cool. And all the Witches are I guess already dead so...I guess we really only have to worry about the Bishops.

But yeah, she straight up confirms that Subaru now has Betel's powers, but he doesn't know it cause he can't remember the conversation...

The memory shit is getting annoying. As it's the one thing you can't fix by going back in time, cause if you don't remember, you don't know to do anything differently.

[Buffalobiian]

But yeah, she straight up confirms that Subaru now has Betel's powers, but he doesn't know it cause he can't remember the conversation...

Whether "Factor" manifests as a physical power is yet to be confirmed. Probably though. She also said she gave him the Envy factor in his drink, so he now has 2 factors at least.

Interestingly none of the witches seemed particularly evil, besides maybe Envy.

[KrayZ33]

Well... hard to say wether they are evil or not.

Roswaal however, seems to be fond of the Witch of Greed however, considering he insist that they call her Echidna.
I can already see him trying to resurrect her... Like... why call it the Sanctuary and put it directly on top of her grave.

He mentioned in Season 1 that "he wants to make the Dragon pay" (or something similar) if I remember correctly. Do we know how the witch of Greed died?
Wasn't it Envy who killed all the other witches? And the Dragon killed/locked up Envy?

[MFauli]

I think it's difficult to pinpoint who's "evil" in this series. We just saw a "sancturay" that won't let people leave FOREVER. That's pretty evil. We so Garfiel who doesn't hesitate to attack people with lethal force. Also evil.

However, in terms of long-lived evil agenda, I'd say only the arc bishops are that so far (plus Elza, the assassin). Even Satella might or might not be evil. I mean, the power she gave Subaru is really more a blessing than a curse. In a normal scenario, the curse would be meaningless, because most people don't die violent deaths. But in this adventurous, dangerious setting, it becomes a weapon, a tool for its bearer, Subaru.

Honestly, if it turns out that Roswall indeed is trying to resurrect Echidna, then he might actually be evil, too, maybe he even is a covert arc bishop ... although that'd be scary, because who could possible fight him, lol. Maybe Reinhardt, but I'd assume a veteran magician is above a young swordman.

[DarthEnderX]

Interestingly none of the witches seemed particularly evil, besides maybe Envy.The way she made it sound, it sounded like they each originally wanted to do something good with their power, but possibly each ended up doing something monstrous to achieve their goal.

[NeoCybercoin]

It's society of whatever religion is in place that would brand them as a Witch or as evil so they might not be evil in the purest sense of it. Like Echidna seemed to be in pursuit of knowledge. TO learn all there is to know. I assume she did everything for that including things that would very well be evil. But their goals or ideals don't seem to be evil.

As for Roswall...I wouldn't be surprised if he is related to Echidna and that she's family hence why he insists in her being called Echidna instead of a witch.

[DarthEnderX]

It's society of whatever religion is in place that would brand them as a Witch or as evil so they might not be evil in the purest sense of it. Like Echidna seemed to be in pursuit of knowledge. TO learn all there is to know. I assume she did everything for that including things that would very well be evil. But their goals or ideals don't seem to be evil.*sigh* I guess. That just sounds like a lot of semantic nonsense.

"I hacked up hundreds of healthy, innocent people because I was trying to learn some stuff about biology! Pursuit of knowledge! Not evil!"

Like, I don't give a shit what your goal was. If you did a bunch of evil shit to achieve it, I'm counting you as evil.


Besides, she's hot. And we all know the rule is hot people aren't evil. They're "morally grey".

[KrayZ33]

"I hacked up hundreds of healthy, innocent people because I was trying to learn some stuff about biology! Pursuit of knowledge! Not evil!"



Well, there are several ways of doing something immoral, that is just considered "evil" because of artificial values society agreed on.

Like... abortion - and stuff like that.
Or cloning - etc. etc.

[MFauli]

There's also the possibility of someone having been evil in the past but then having changed and being good now. Worked for Dragon Ball, where Vegeta became a good guy after murdering countless intelligent people all over the universe.

[DarthEnderX]

Well, there are several ways of doing something immoral, that is just considered "evil" because of artificial values society agreed on.Yeah but...they're also just considered immoral because of artificial values society agreed on.

[KrayZ33]

Yeah but...they're also just considered immoral because of artificial values society agreed on.

?

Anyway, I think the topic of abortion is an excellent example that portrays how "evil" is just a mere concept for many things and that it depends on who sets the rules.

A church? A goverment? Common folk? Nobles? "Evil" will change depending on that.

On top of that "the greater good" often plays a role in that too.
It's all a mere point of view.

[MFauli]

Well, this is majorly offtopic imo, but abortion is pretty clear cut evil if you don't bullshit your way through it.

Unless you kill the zygote or later on the fetus, it will become a human being, accidents/diseases aside. Pro-choicers only get to claim moral superiority because they choose to ignore that fact, focus on societal issues (women's rights) over biological facts (the "cell clump" as they love to call it is a growing human being and you choose to kill it) and silence every opposition by screaching "misogynist!".

You can ignore all religious bs in all of that. From a scientific pov, pro-choice is evil, the villains being feminists here. But that can't be said in today's toxic society, so whatever.

[DarthEnderX]

You can ignore all religious bs in all of that. From a scientific pov, pro-choice is evilFrom a purely scientific view, masturbating is evil. Cause every time you do it, you're killing millions of sperm that could have grown into human beings.

[MFauli]

From a purely scientific view, masturbating is evil. Cause every time you do it, you're killing millions of sperm that could have grown into human beings.

No, they couldn't. A sperm by itself would under no circumstances grow into a human being.

[KrayZ33]

abortion is pretty clear cut evil if you don't bullshit your way through it.

No it's not - lets proceed talking about this in the context of the anime now.

[DarthEnderX]

No, they couldn't. A sperm by itself would under no circumstances grow into a human being.It would if you saved it and found a viable egg for it.

If you're not doing that for each of them, you're killing all of those people. You fucking monster.

Point being, your so-called "scientific" cutoff is actually has nothing to do with science and is just your own personal morality.

"This cell isn't a person. Okay, NOW it's a person."

[MFauli]

It would if you saved it and found a viable egg for it.

If you're not doing that for each of them, you're killing all of those people. You fucking monster.

Point being, your so-called "scientific" cutoff is actually has nothing to do with science and is just your own personal morality.

"This cell isn't a person. Okay, NOW it's a person."


No, what you're doing here is an argumentum ad absurdum. But it's easily refuted: A zygote *will* become a full-fledged human being, non-conditionally. A sperm requires lots of conditions, unless we lived in a world where women were readily available to allow themselves get impregnated by any guy who feels like busting a nut.

Again: Pro-choice supporters make up lots of bs definitions and terms to avoid the one central truth: abortion kills a human being.

I would have more respect for pro-choicers if they at least acknowledged that and then tried arguing from there. Of course, that's less pleasant to tell in public, "yes, it's murder, but I believe a woman's right to her body is more valuable than the life of a child".

[DarthEnderX]

No, what you're doing here is an argumentum ad absurdum.So are you. You just refuse to see it.


But it's easily refuted: A zygote *will* become a full-fledged human being, non-conditionally.Blatently false. Countless conditions still haveto be met in order for a zygote to become a fully formed human.


Again: Pro-choice supporters make up lots of bs definitions and terms to avoid the one central truthAgain: You're doing the exact same thing.

[Buffalobiian]

Feel free to continue discussion about morality and re:zero in this thread.

If you feel that your next posts would be more centered around morality and abortion etc in general, click the following link:

Link (https://www.gotwoot.org/showthread.php/23797-Rape-and-morality-in-popular-media?p=568505&viewfull=1#post568505)

Feel free to cross reference each other if required.

[MFauli]

episode 4:

It was nice to finally see Subaru's real life, always wanted to see that. Although I'm not entirely sure what made him THAT depressed. So he stopped being the best without putting effort in it, okay. And compared to his father. Okay.

Also, did Subaru know this all was fake? Because he gets ready to go to school, yet remembers Emilia and Rem. But he showed know signs of wanting to go back to their world where things are looking dire.

[NeoCybercoin]

I figured he thought that the only way to break out of it is by doing something he didn't do before. Go to school.

[DarthEnderX]

Although I'm not entirely sure what made him THAT depressed. So he stopped being the best without putting effort in it, okay. And compared to his father. Okay.Hey man, it's hard being a kid in a country with no real problems.

[KrayZ33]

Well, the impact certainly wasn't shown well enough and I don't think that it is possible to do so in just 1 episode and a flashback of 3 minutes.

[Buffalobiian]

episode 4:

It was nice to finally see Subaru's real life, always wanted to see that. Although I'm not entirely sure what made him THAT depressed. So he stopped being the best without putting effort in it, okay. And compared to his father. Okay.

Also, did Subaru know this all was fake? Because he gets ready to go to school, yet remembers Emilia and Rem. But he showed know signs of wanting to go back to their world where things are looking dire.

If I were him, I'd conclude that I was in a dream as opposed to being in a test.

Subaru's mum being insightful as fuck was interesting. I never really felt his eyes looked evil despite how they harped on about it in the past.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 30

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Yay to the return of our sexy assassin. I quite liked her as a character.

[MFauli]

slow episode

Tbh I dislike 2 things atm:

- Echidna taking away Subaru's memory when he's not inside her realm. It keeps any progress from happening

- Roswal having manufactured everything that happened to get Emilia some clout with the people for her candidature. Does Roswal know about Subaru's curse? If not, that is super dumb. He couldn't have known that Subaru actually had the the means to support Emilia. So was his actual plain to have her fail? If so ... wtf?!

I hope we leave the exposition episodes now and get both some action as well as clear cut answers and consequences.

[Buffalobiian]

- Roswal having manufactured everything that happened to get Emilia some clout with the people for her candidature. Does Roswal know about Subaru's curse? If not, that is super dumb. He couldn't have known that Subaru actually had the the means to support Emilia. So was his actual plain to have her fail? If so ... wtf?!

I'm not sure that she erased his memories of his second trip. She seemed much more cool with it. I'm 50/50 about this one.


- Roswal having manufactured everything that happened to get Emilia some clout with the people for her candidature. Does Roswal know about Subaru's curse? If not, that is super dumb. He couldn't have known that Subaru actually had the the means to support Emilia. So was his actual plain to have her fail? If so ... wtf?!

More like "She won't get the throne like this, so either go big or go home die trying."

[KrayZ33]

Pretty sure she didn't erase his memories. Subaru clearly remembers that he took the test and completed it.

[KrayZ33]

Episode 31:


Pretty sure that this episode has been the best by far in terms of using the experience of the last life - or rather, the interactions that came from it were, this time around, a lot more "fluent" than in the past.
Things like him saying "Uhm, dude - you are supposed to give me something" were hilarious.

And it seems like Roswal is on to Subaru, this time more than last time.

On top of that, when I think about it, Subaru's psyche and must be in the gutter again if this keeps on going.
Just imagine him dying like he does all the time, just to wake up next to the girl he loves at his current "checkpoint" who is in trouble - having to support her emotionally when just 2 seconds ago, he died a horrible death.
At some point... you just can't do that anymore.

[DarthEnderX]

I think Subs is just getting tired/frustrated with trying to hide it and knows that as long as he doesn't SAY it, nothing will happen.

Especially when he's in a hurry.

[MFauli]

I honestly wonder how much Roswal knows or doesnt know. He certainly has this "knows pretty much everything"-aura about him. And I think I said this before, but it's just irrational that he'd honestly expect a normal guy like Subaru to achieve all the things he just "like that". I know there's the possibility that he planned for Emilia to fail and just takes Subaru's success as a nice bonus, but even then he should be curious about how he does it. Also didn't Beatrice actually remember Subaru even after he dies? I think something like that was shown early in S1.


Btw have talked about Elza? I just wonder: What makes some characters SO strong? We've seen 4 characters that overpower the rest: Roswal, Reinhard, Elza and Wilhelm. I'm excluding Beatric and Puck because they're otherworldly beings. Roswal is mysterious magician, Reinhardt a prodigiy and son/grandson of Wilhelm who whimself is a seasoned hero. Does this mean Elza is also more than just some assassin? I mean, sees even beyond someone like Betelgeuse. Subaru managed to evade Betelgeuse's attacks, but he can't even see Elza's attacks coming. So this is why I'm wondering if Elza is also some witch or otherwise special "being".

[Buffalobiian]

Not noticing stuff is more to do with stealth. He dodged her belly slice in the past, and her fight against Felt's old man gramps was human level.

[MFauli]

He knew where that specific attack would come from (and he still couldnt dodge it, remember?).

[KrayZ33]

What scebe are you refering to?

Either way, he actually managed to fight against Elsa somewhat, even disrupting her plans or movement.
So did Emilia.

I don't see her above and beyond most strong characters we've seen so far.
Stronger than Rem and Ram, probably. But we have basically no guess about powerlevels in this show in general.

We only know that Reinhardt is basically god-level strong, but we don't know how strong Aldebaran (Priscillas Helmet-dude knight, I had to google the name) is in comparison for example.

It's a bit sad that we don't get to know much about how magic works in that universe. Spirits seem to be a big deal and there is also something like blessings. Felt has the blessing of the Wind for example.
If we knew more about it, and things just like it, we could make a better guess.
I hope that Roswaal will at some point reveal more about it, or at least the show will tell us more about it once it turns to Roswaal and his story (and why he backed Emilia and what he does etc)... which by the looks of it, might actually happen in this season.

Also didn't Beatrice actually remember Subaru even after he dies? I think something like that was shown early in S1.

Funnily enough, I've been discussing the same thing with a friend of mine who is also watching this at work this morning.
We couldn't quite remember how it all played out when it came to Beatrice, so I'll be happy if someone can clear it up.
He woke up in the libary once after he died and Beatrice knew him already briefly. But I believe Subaru concluded that it had to be the second meeting in the libary (he was kicked out rather quickly the first time around) and not the first. And it made sense from what happened onwards and until now.

Then we went a little further and tried to remember if Subaru has an active contract with Beatrice, because they did make one at some point, but I believe Subaru died in that cycle. Did they ever remake it when they went to village to kill the Ma-beasts while trying to lift the curse on him and saving the Village?

And then we were wondering - what if the contract doesn't actually stop existing when Subaru dies. It's a "spirit"-thing after all. Maybe it's actually still intact and Beatrice saved him subconsciously?
And it might even bite him in the arse here, because now he can't die to reset things because Beatrice will protect him.

And the most recent thing (but we still couldn't remember, lol) didn't Roswaal say to Subaru that he should tell Beatrice something in the cycle BEFORE this one? Beatrice would know exactly what to do and could help him. (Or was it someone completely different?)
And you guess what, wouldn't it be amazing if he says exactly that what Roswaal told him, but in this cycle, Roswaal never actually did! He will become even more suspicious.

We were both pretty hyped about the next 2-3 episodes after discussing all that.

[DarthEnderX]

Also didn't Beatrice actually remember Subaru even after he dies? I think something like that was shown early in S1.
I don't remember that.


We were both pretty hyped about the next 2-3 episodes after discussing all that.
Well, he has a concrete objective now, and it's always more fun when he has a specific goal he's trying over and over to solve.

The first several episodes of this season, we didn't even know what he was SUPPOSED to be doing.

[Buffalobiian]

Beatrice doesn't remember shit on revives.

[DarthEnderX]

We do have to remember that Subs has an unknown ace up his sleeve if he needs it if he tells Bea to "ask the question".

[Buffalobiian]

New episode:

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Beako has a Gospel. wtf.

I forgot how annoying it is when Subaru get singled out just for smelling like a Witch. It's as if he's the only one who ever gets singled out as well. No random Cultists get their ass kicked just because they smelled dodgy.

[DarthEnderX]

Gah. Was getting interesting last week and now we're back to being uninteresting. It's the curse of this series when he gets into a particularly long loop.


No random Cultists get their ass kicked just because they smelled dodgy.How often have we seen characters that can smell the Witch's scent running into random cultists?

[Buffalobiian]

Gah. Was getting interesting last week and now we're back to being uninteresting. It's the curse of this series when he gets into a particularly long loop.

How often have we seen characters that can smell the Witch's scent running into random cultists?

We'll never know.. because they never sniffed them out.

[MFauli]

I mean, did Beako ever meet up with Rem? Maybe that's why she's always in her room: So that nobody sniffs her witch scent.

I'm not quite sure about Beako's real feelings. Her crying during the whole thing could be hinting that she actually DOES like Subaru. But it could also just be her emotions towards her ... what was it, brother? or whoever she said she's doing it for.

Also fuck Garf. Honestly, I didnt like how Rem actually killed Subaru in one of his lives, and now theyre doing the same here. Just makes it hard to forgive that character in the next life of Subaru's.

[DarthEnderX]

I'm not quite sure about Beako's real feelings. Her crying during the whole thing could be hinting that she actually DOES like Subaru.Wait, you're on the fence about that?

That was like the most blatantly obvious tsundere denial of all time.


We'll never know.. because they never sniffed them out.
We also don't have any other real examples of characters that smell like the Witch, but AREN'T working for her. It's pretty much just high level cultists, monsters and Subaru at this point.

In fact, it's seeming more and more likely that Subaru IS serving the Witch, he doesn't doesn't realize he's doing it.

Until we see more examples of the scent being wrong, I'm less inclined to give characters shit for relying on it.

[KrayZ33]

It's really interesting that now, with some more backstory, Garf wanting to kill or at least him being ready to kill Subaru is way more understandable than what Rem did early on, even though the reason is the same.

As for Beako, I'm in the absolute dark about what has happened there exactly. Like... what her motives and goals were at that time.
I liked how they showed in an not so obvious way how the Belly-Hunter got into the Libary though, or at least that they didn't bother to explain it with words. It tells you even more about the situation and information she has available

But I still don't understand, or at least can't grasp the power of Beako... isn't she supposed to be *super* strong inside the Libary?

And Subaru and Otto's interaction was rather genuine. It's basically the first time Subaru got told that there is no need for something in return - you just do it because you want to, since they are friends.
Subaru struggled so hard to realize this himself and only started saying that he wants to help Emilia because he likes her and literally-every-single encounter (from episode 1 onwards) was about doing something for something in return - and Otto just comes around and says it so easily..

Subaru: "I'm helping you for my 1 good deed a day" or Emilia: "I'm helping you because I need information - yes I do - I'm not doing it for free!! I'm getting something out of it, you see?"

That scene was way more important than many others in my opinion even though it was so simple.
I didn't even realize this before.


Gah. Was getting interesting last week and now we're back to being uninteresting. It's the curse of this series when he gets into a particularly long loop.

I think this episode was extremely interesting.
But I think you meant it more along the lines of "nothing got resolved, and we got even more mysteries"?

[shinta|hikari]

But it could also just be her emotions towards her ... what was it, brother? or whoever she said she's doing it for.

Mother.


Also fuck Garf.

Amen. Characters in this show should really start talking to each other instead of killing/kidnapping as the first resort.

[MFauli]

While I ended up liking the Otto-friendship scene a lot, it was REALLY confusing and I could see it being "fake" at the end. After all, we see a scene where Garf threatens Otto to not tell anyone "or else ...", and then hard cut to next scene and Otto somehow knew EXACTLY where Subaru was kept (he only saw in which direction Subaru and Garf went, right?) and frees him. I REALLY hope Otto is being genuine here, I really do. But this anime loves to fuck over Subaru and I can easily imagine the scene of despair when it's revealed that Otto actually acted under Garf's order ... I don't want that, though ...



Wait, you're on the fence about that?

That was like the most blatantly obvious tsundere denial of all time.

If I had to put it to numbers, I'd say:
70% Beako actually cares about Subaru
30% Beako reminisced about her troubled mother

[Buffalobiian]

Pretty sure this "Mother" refers to the witch.

[shinta|hikari]

Otto actually acted under Garf's order

There was a scene at the end where Garf finds Subaru missing and hits the wall that contradicts this possibility.

[MFauli]

There was a scene at the end where Garf finds Subaru missing and hits the wall that contradicts this possibility.

Then I still see a way to torture Subaru:

He reaches a situation where he "must" die again, and when he returns, all the friendship with Otto is gone again. :(

[shinta|hikari]

That's probably going to happen, but at least Subaru already knows how Otto sees him.

[DarthEnderX]

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Fucking no, Subaru! Don't just be like "Well, as long as she's not a cultist..." Make him fucking explain the books! Information matters you dipshit!

[Buffalobiian]

I haven't felt so good for Subaru in some time now. Echidna is going to be quite a treasured ally, even if she's not particularly helpful from a "just watching" perspective.

I vaguely remember that one of the evil dudes who chopped up the post-whale-hunting-party claimed to be the Archbishop of Greed. In that case, all those so called Archbishops and Cultists don't have anything to do with direct orders from witches at all.

[MFauli]

God, FUCK Garfiel. What a hateful, little piece of shit. No matter what any of you say, unlike Rem who killed Subaru once, Garfiel has no issues murdering anything in his way, innocent people who have no chance against him. I hate his dumb attitude so much, he sounds and behaves like BnHA's Bakugo, which also is a terrible character. Fuck him so much. I really hope he doesn't become Subaru's friend at the end, fuck him, no forgiving him.



I haven't felt so good for Subaru in some time now.

... right after feeling super bad for him xD

[DarthEnderX]

I'm going to assume for the moment that going beast mode causes some kind of loss of control for him.

[MFauli]

Then it's his fault for entering beast mode. And he was an asshole last episode, too, capturing Subaru, torturing him and leaving him locked up.

[DarthEnderX]

Then it's his fault for entering beast mode.True enough. But when you gotta win a fight, you gotta use your final form.

Guessing Ram pushed him to his limits.

[MFauli]

True enough. But when you gotta win a fight, you gotta use your final form.

Guessing Ram pushed him to his limits.

Who he told he wouldn't do more than twist her arm.

[DarthEnderX]

I feel like maybe you project yourself a little to much onto Subaru, because you seemed to get legitimately angry every time someone fucks with him, even though him getting fucked to death is main thing that happens in this series.

[MFauli]

Wat

I'm upset how this asshole Garfiel is supposedly an ally, yet under absolutely no severe circumstances has no issue murdering as many people as it take. And when Subaru's next life starts, he'll probably go back to a true ally and Subaru forgives him :/ Hate that-

[shinta|hikari]

I hate this Garfiel guy so much. He fucking killed Otto!

This arc must end with him dead or mutilated.

[DarthEnderX]

And when Subaru's next life starts, he'll probably go back to a true ally and Subaru forgives him :/ Hate that-Well obviously. Because he knows better now.

Although he already should have, because Frederica TOLD him he was dangerous as fuck. But Subaru forgot that because the first couple time he managed to win Garfield over.

It's EXACTLY the same thing that happened with Rem. He befriends them on his first time through, then forgets to befriend them the next time, then gets surprised when they kill him for acting all crazy and suspicious and smelling like evil. Because he forgets he's a stranger to them.

Well, he's not likely to forget how dangerous Gar is again.

[KrayZ33]

This would be less of an issue for me if I'd actually understand his reasoning.

I don't quite understand how he sees Subaru.

I can only imagine that he sees him as a hard-core cultist?
It's a bit messed up in my opinion. Is he not killing him because he thinks Roswal will kill him if he does?

[DarthEnderX]

I can only imagine that he sees him as a hard-core cultist?I assume that's it. He stinks like the Witch, and he keeps doing weird, suspicious stuff.


Is he not killing him because he thinks Roswal will kill him if he does?Probably because he's not 100% certain of Sub's guilt and doesn't want to kill Amelia/Rem/Roswal's friend if he doesn't have to.

[shinta|hikari]

Biggest nonsense here is that Subaru was able to do the trial, and they just ignore that clearly important fact. Being a cultist doesn't give you that "right".

Kidnapping and imprisoning a suspicious person without proof of wrongdoing is grounds enough for punishment in my book.

[DarthEnderX]

Biggest nonsense here is that Subaru was able to do the trial, and they just ignore that clearly important fact. Being a cultist doesn't give you that "right".Apparently it does, since it's the Witch that's making it so he can take the trial.

He's not supposed to be able to take it. The fact he can makes him seem more like a cultist, not less.

For that matter, do we know he's NOT technically a cultist at this point? He's pretty willingly consorting with a Witch.

[MFauli]

I mean, in the end, Garf's behavior simply isn't acceptable. So what if Subaru was a cultist? DISCUSS IT! But no, use lethal violence instantly. And if Subaru was such a dangerous cultist, why is he so weak? Makes no sense for Graf to use such violent force. He's an asshole, plain simple.

[DarthEnderX]

I mean, in the end, Garf's behavior simply isn't acceptable. So what if Subaru was a cultist? DISCUSS IT! But no, use lethal violence instantly. Yeah, and if it turns out Subaru was a Betegeuse, he and everyone he knows dies because he tries to have a discussion with him.


And if Subaru was such a dangerous cultist, why is he so weak? Makes no sense for Graf to use such violent force. He's an asshole, plain simple.Just because someone is weak doesn't mean they can't be incredibly dangerous. See: Cultist who planted exploding rocks in wagons last season.


I really feel like you guys aren't looking at this from any perspective other than Subaru's. These people live in a world where they can be brutally slaughtered at any time and, unlike Subaru, they don't get do-overs.

Subaru is a guy with a massively evil aura. If he's not extremely careful with how he acts, people ARE going to kill him before he can do anything. Rem killed him and he didn't even DO anything bad, he just didn't do enough good to win her over. And Garfield is clearly WAY more rash and jumpy than Rem.

[MFauli]

So does Garfiel think everyone else is stupid for trusting Subaru then, or what? His beloved Ram, Roswal, all falling for Subaru's trick?

[shinta|hikari]

Add to that the fact that Subaru was trying to escape the barrier in that episode. He wasn't sneaking around doing random stuff. He just wanted to leave. So instead of talking it out when you clearly have enough power to ask for surrender, you just start slaughtering them. Surrender is also different from discussion, just to make sure no one conflates the two.

Also Garfiel threatened and hunted down Otto just for knowing he lied about Subaru's predicament.

He is a selfish evil bastard. Just because you have reasons to do something evil doesn't mean you aren't evil.


Yeah, and if it turns out Subaru was a Betegeuse, he and everyone he knows dies because he tries to have a discussion with him.


Except they already had a discussion with him. If he had such deadly abilities, he would've use them at this point to kill everyone, or at the very least escape imprisonment much earlier than he had. It is nonsense to think that you just jump to imprisoning him or killing him without any discussion or negotiation when you know he is weak as shit.


Apparently it does, since it's the Witch that's making it so he can take the trial.

He's not supposed to be able to take it. The fact he can makes him seem more like a cultist, not less.

For that matter, do we know he's NOT technically a cultist at this point? He's pretty willingly consorting with a Witch.

The witch of greed did give him that right, but they don't know that. We know that as the audience, but they have no idea why Subaru is able to do it, not even Subaru himself. At that point, instead of knocking him out and jailing him, they should've questioned him to know more.

[KrayZ33]

After the trial the witch scent got a lot stronger though and that is what bothered Garf as far as I understood it.

What I don't get is that in one life, he is like "please try and do the trial" and in the next he doesn't want him to do the trial and starts being extremely hostile.
I don't quite understand what exactly is causing the shift in his perception of Subaru when the interactions are not really noteworthy from Subaru's side of view, especially since his mind is at the Villa, not at the Sanctum, all the time.

[shinta|hikari]

I think what triggered the difference is Subaru saying he wanted to take the trial in place of Emilia and that he already cleared the first part. Still, I don't think that warrants the hostile reaction.

[DarthEnderX]

So does Garfiel think everyone else is stupid for trusting Subaru then, or what? His beloved Ram, Roswal, all falling for Subaru's trick?I mean, it's not like magic that alters people's minds exists in this world or anything.

Oh wait...


So instead of talking it out when you clearly have enough power to ask for surrender, you just start slaughtering them. Surrender is also different from discussion, just to make sure no one conflates the two.
He TRIED a nonviolence by imprisoning him first. Subs stays locked up till Amelia finishes. Nobody gets hurt. But then he broke out, his non-violent solution failed. Now it's time to violence.


He is a selfish evil bastard. Just because you have reasons to do something evil doesn't mean you aren't evil.I'm not saying he's a good guy. He's a Bakugo-ass character. He's violent and rash. He is literally a caged animal. And his actions are in keeping with that kind of character.


The witch of greed did give him that right, but they don't know that.They also don't know what did do it. He's not supposed to be able to take it.

You're acting like the test is some kind of benevolent spirit, and that they should be treating him being able to take it as confirmation that he's a good and worthy person. But it's not, it's a magic trap thing that he is somehow able to circumvent the rules of. That's suspicious, not reassuring.


After the trial the witch scent got a lot stronger though and that is what bothered Garf as far as I understood it.

What I don't get is that in one life, he is like "please try and do the trial" and in the next he doesn't want him to do the trial and starts being extremely hostile.I feel like you already stated the solution.

He took the first trial, and came out smelling way more evil. Therefor, letting Subaru take the trials must be evil.

[shinta|hikari]

He TRIED a nonviolence by imprisoning him first. Subs stays locked up till Amelia finishes. Nobody gets hurt. But then he broke out, his non-violent solution failed. Now it's time to violence.

I think all of Subaru's deaths seemed to have warped your idea of what violence is. Knocking him out IS violence. Imprisoning him all tied up like a pig and blindfolded IS violence. He broke out because he was imprisoned unjustly (and meaninglessly in his POV), not knowing what they will do to him.

How the heck did you come up with "the non-violent solution has failed" from all that, I have no idea.

Ram took a fighting stance because Garfiel clearly gave an ultimatum (using that idiom) of surrender or get attacked (and clearly as we've seen, getting attacked means death).

Also, asking someone to surrender (and get imprisoned again) under the threat of violence is NOT a discussion. It's coercion. And that is not okay.

As for Subaru being suspicious, I absolutely agree. But suspicion doesn't warrant what Garfiel did. Remember, Subaru hasn't done anything harmful to them or anyone at all. They should've just questioned him more to know more, not lock him up and leave him alone without trying to learn anything.

[MFauli]

Btw I really do wonder what he did to Ram. He hadn't transformed into a beast at that point. Did he kill her? Trap in a way? I almost can't imagine Ram being held by some trap, she's the kind of girl that'd rather die than let that happen. But it'd also weird if Garf killed her. ALTHOUGH that would actually explain why at the point when he met Subaru at the end again, he was in such relentless rage: He had to kill his love interest, therefore all shackles are off, "fuck that other suspicious guy".

But again, depends on what happened to Ram.

[KrayZ33]

I feel like you already stated the solution.

He took the first trial, and came out smelling way more evil. Therefor, letting Subaru take the trials must be evil.


but he said that before he cleared the first trial as far as I remember.

It was when he went back to the mansion for the first time - and then Garf said the exact opposite in the next loop.

No witch scent involved... or at least the scent shouldn't be different? Unless it gets thicker each time he dies? Which I think is what happens if I remember the past loops? So I guess that explains his change in attitude?

Even if Subaru does the same things each loop, his scent will change and thus creatures sensitive to it will react differently? That it?

I really don't know, it already confused me when it happened 3 episodes ago and now it's even more confusing to me because the characters are A in one loop and then B in another without anyone interacting with them.

[DarthEnderX]

I think all of Subaru's deaths seemed to have warped your idea of what violence is. Knocking him out IS violence. Imprisoning him all tied up like a pig and blindfolded IS violence.Whatever dude. It's like you've never even anime'd before. I guess Luffy and Naruto and Vash the Stampede are all violent monsters now.


Btw I really do wonder what he did to Ram. He hadn't transformed into a beast at that point. Did he kill her? Trap in a way? I almost can't imagine Ram being held by some trap, she's the kind of girl that'd rather die than let that happen. But it'd also weird if Garf killed her.I was under the impression that, once transformed, he's basically berserk, hence all the dead villagers.

Ram was probably kicking his ass, forcing him to transform, at which point he probably killed her in a blind rage.


No witch scent involved... or at least the scent shouldn't be different? Unless it gets thicker each time he dies? Which I think is what happens if I remember the past loops? So I guess that explains his change in attitude?That was my assumption. Either it gets worse each time, or the circumstances eof his death effect his scent.


I'm actually a little curious if each time he dies during a particular loop, his scent gets worse, and it resets every time he makes it to a new save point. Because both Rem and Garf now have killed him because of his scent on, like, his third run though a particular loop.

And I'm also curious if that means he dies too many times on one loop, if something bad happens. What's the most he's done a given loop so far? 4 times? So 3 deaths?

[shinta|hikari]

Whatever dude. It's like you've never even anime'd before.

Ah the "anime" defense.

Next time, actually defend your points instead of doing this. Pretty sure Luffy, Naruto, and Vash never knocked out and imprisoned someone and eventually killed them on an assumption, but okay.

[DarthEnderX]

Ah the "anime" defense.

Next time, actually defend your points instead of doing this.My, should-be-obvious point dumbass, is that yeah, in the real world, knocking someone out and locking them up qualifies as violent behavior.

In an anime setting where people are brutally torn apart, blown up, disemboweled and devoured all the time, often for no reason, imprisoning someone is, by comparison, a restrained and humanitarian response.


Pretty sure Luffy, Naruto, and Vash never knocked out and imprisoned someone and eventually killed them on an assumption, but okay.They don't eventually kill them, no. But your entire argument is that he's already a violent monster just for the beating him up and imprisoning him part.

Which, characters like Luffy punch out people all the time without even having a discussion first.

[shinta|hikari]

You conveniently skipped the "on an assumption" part, I see.

Pathetic.

[DarthEnderX]

You conveniently skipped the "on an assumption" part, I see.

Pathetic.Alright fuckface. I'll give you a specific example.

Luffy wakes up in Whiskey Peak and finds Zoro cutting down the people that threw them a party earlier that night. Luffy assumes that Zoro is murdering these people and immediately attacks him, his own crewmate, even though Zoro is only fighting them because they were trying to assassinate them in their sleep.

So, ya know...eat shit.

[MFauli]

Was it actually ever explained WHAT sets the respawn points? Up till now, they always were set conveniently after Subaru accomplished something, like a video game. Would be nice to find that out.

[DarthEnderX]

Was it actually ever explained WHAT sets the respawn points? Up till now, they always were set conveniently after Subaru accomplished something, like a video game. Would be nice to find that out.No explanation I remember. Like you said, they've been pretty convenient so far, except for that one where Rem was erased. But even that one checkpointed after a huge victory for him. He just didn't realize he was also suffering a defeat elsewhere.

Maybe that feeling of accomplishment is what does it. He controls it and doesn't even realize it.

[shinta|hikari]

First off, I want to clarify that I called your argument in the post preceding that pathetic, not you, so I apologize if it came across as that. I was drinking while replying that time. Calling people names helps no one.



Luffy wakes up in Whiskey Peak and finds Zoro cutting down the people that threw them a party earlier that night. Luffy assumes that Zoro is murdering these people and immediately attacks him, his own crewmate, even though Zoro is only fighting them because they were trying to assassinate them in their sleep.


Do you really not see the difference here? Luffy sees Zoro killing people who threw them a party that night, and he attacks him to stop him, and eventually the misunderstanding is resolved. Garfiel knocks out, imprisons (gagged and tied up like a pig with no chance to explain himself), and eventually kills Subaru (or at least directly drove him to death via rabbit) for smelling like something and openly admitting to being able to do something he shouldn't be able to (versus not saying anything, the better option if you are plotting something). Just to be clear, Subaru would've died in Garfiel's hands if he hadn't escaped the barrier and got rabbited, so arguing the technicalities of that is pointless.


They don't eventually kill them, no. But your entire argument is that he's already a violent monster just for the beating him up and imprisoning him part.

Don't move the goalposts. My assertion from the very start that Garfiel was evil for everything he did, not just the knocking out and imprisonment (although that is already bad in itself). You said those were non-violent methods, which is ridiculous on your part, and defended it by saying anime does it all the time. But it really doesn't. You just decided to stretch out the meaning of "on assumption" to cover any misunderstanding. So to clarify what I meant when I said that, it is being punished on assumption when he has done absolutely nothing wrong. This has always been the underlying premise of everything I said, which you can easily see if you re-read my posts.

Would I call Garfiel a monster (your word, not mine, btw) if he decided to talk it out with Subaru when he was trying to escape the village? Maybe not. I would think him a stupid, brash asshole who deserves a beating and imprisonment.

But he not only decided to forgo discussion, he murdered Otto, maybe Ram, a bunch of innocent villagers, and essentially Subaru, for no wrongdoing or reason really. That's why he is evil and should die. Some things you can't excuse by saying "he was out of control," assuming that was even the case. He could've just, I dunno, stopped fighting before going berserk? Are we going to say drunk drivers are no longer responsible for killing people because they were out of control?

To bring up another point, why would Garfiel's actions be less deplorable if it were commonplace in anime anyway? Shouldn't we just see all these actions as evil regardless? If we use commonality of an action as the basis of acceptance, then there is no longer any moral argument to be made.

That said, I still definitely think that Garfiel's actions are evil even when seen through anime moral standards. Those are the actions of a villain. Anime heroes (the characters with supposedly the moral high ground) don't do all the things he did.

[DarthEnderX]

Do you really not see the difference here?Yes. Garfield is slightly worse. His stakes are also much higher.


eventually kills Subaru for smelling like somethingYou say that like he stepped in some dog doo. He emanates a magical aura of evil that, as far as we know, he's the only character with that aura that isn't evil. Possibly ever.

For all intents and purposes, they have a magical spell that detects evil, and for whatever reason, that spell keeps detecting Subaru. WE know he's not actually evil, but the spell is telling them that he is, and for them, the spell has never been wrong before.


You said those were non-violent methods, which is ridiculous on your part, and defended it by saying anime does it all the time.Correct. I considering knocking someone out and imprisoning someone to be a non-violent alternative to simply killing them. I consider it a non-violent solution that Garfield attempted, instead of simply gutting Subaru in the forest in the first place, which he also could have done, and would have turned out much better for everyone.


Calling people names helps no one.Oh sure, you say that after I've done it four times...

[DarthEnderX]

To bring up another point, why would Garfiel's actions be less deplorable if it were commonplace in anime anyway? Shouldn't we just see all these actions as evil regardless?I think one should take the specifics of an anime characters own world into consideration when judging their actions.

Or are all the pirates in One Piece evil because the real world considers piracy evil?

[shinta|hikari]

Oh sure, you say that after I've done it four times...

I am not blaming you here. I just didn't want it to continue.



For all intents and purposes, they have a magical spell that detects evil, and for whatever reason, that spell keeps detecting Subaru. WE know he's not actually evil, but the spell is telling them that he is, and for them, the spell has never been wrong before.

I get all that, but like I said, they can interrogate him instead of everything they did, and that would be far more effective. Preemptive punishment is unacceptable to me.


Correct. I considering knocking someone out and imprisoning someone to be a non-violent alternative to simply killing them. I consider it a non-violent solution that Garfield attempted, instead of simply gutting Subaru in the forest in the first place, which he also could have done, and would have turned out much better for everyone.

This is where we will have to agree to disagree. I just can't see actions like that as non-violent, even in anime.


I think one should take the specifics of an anime characters own world into consideration when judging their actions.

Or are all the pirates in One Piece evil because the real world considers piracy evil?

I actually agree with this. But these anime worlds are also created with some basis on real-world morality, which is why Luffy doesn't actually steal from innocent merchant ships and kill those on board, like actual pirates in reality. In the Re:Zero world, everything Garfiel did is also considered wrong, which is why he hid it and went to great lengths to stop the lone witness from revealing his actions.

[KrayZ33]

I get all that, but like I said, they can interrogate him instead of everything they did, and that would be far more effective. Preemptive punishment is unacceptable to me.

This is where we will have to agree to disagree. I just can't see actions like that as non-violent, even in anime.

How would you interrogate someone without using violence in this case - ask him nicely and expect he will tell the truth?
And make your judgements based on the answer he gives even though you have no way of knowing if it's right or wrong? What do you even interrogate him for? What would you ask him that would put him on the spot?
You'd do that with stakes this high?

The witch cult murders whole towns. A potential criminal belonging to this organization is right in front of you and you have reason to believe he's in deep due to the smell/miasma around him...
Preemptive strikes aren't evil. They are necessary.

Unlike Subaru, all the other characters in this show don't get a second chance and I don't see the effectiveness you are talking about, honestly.

[shinta|hikari]

How about trying it first at least? There is nothing wrong with testing out non-violent methods first.

In this specific case, Subaru would've answered as best as he can, and maybe they could've gotten somewhere without all this nonsense that helped no one. Even when he was imprisoned, they could've at least tried to speak to him. He was being fed, so it's not like they wanted him gagged to prevent him from spell-casting them to death.

We know Subaru has limiters preventing him from telling the whole truth, but they don't know that. From their POV, they could've gotten to the truth (or at least some more info), had they actually tried, but chose not to.

Remember, potential criminals are still NOT criminals. Suspicion is not the same as guilt. The first step in any investigation is to find out the facts, which they all skipped and just proceeded with the punishment based on assumption of guilt. This is unacceptable.

In fact, if you have such a possibly dangerous entity in front of you, it becomes even more important to find out what he is plotting. Just imprisoning him without interrogation is just pointless. Too add, interrogation without using violence actually works even in real life.

It is honestly a bit scary how people defend preemptive strikes. Just because the stakes are high doesn't mean you can forgo morality. And if you think you can/should, let's just agree to disagree.

[KrayZ33]

In fact, if you have such a possibly dangerous entity in front of you, it becomes even more important to find out what he is plotting. Just imprisoning him without interrogation is just pointless. Too add, interrogation without using violence actually works even in real life.

It is honestly a bit scary how people defend preemptive strikes. Just because the stakes are high doesn't mean you can forgo morality. And if you think you can/should, let's just agree to disagree.

lol?
How is that pointless, you completely take him out of the equation, he is no potential threat anymore
Or would you have prefered it if they went to killing directly?

And how does it matter if Subaru answers truthfully or not?
Why would Garf believe him?


And most importantly, you fail to understand that they actually did talk to him and came to the conclusion that he is a threat. They acted on what they found out so far. The talk after the trial still happens in every loop - we just don't really know how Subaru plays it out (which I find bothersome)
Not only that, we don't actually know their motivation either.


He was being fed, so it's not like they wanted him gagged to prevent him from spell-casting them to death.

they gagged him so he couldn't kill himself


Remember, potential criminals are still NOT criminals. Suspicion is not the same as guilt. The first step in any investigation is to find out the facts, which they all skipped and just proceeded with the punishment based on assumption of guilt. This is unacceptable.

punishment?
You mean remand in custody? (I believe that's the word in english)
Basically, you put someone in custody even though he is not guilty yet.

[shinta|hikari]

They take him out of the equation, without knowing what the equation was? Assuming he was an evil cultist (which they don't even know), what if he already set a trap? What if he had allies incoming? What if he is mind controlling Ram and Emilia with some strange power? They basically know nothing and decided to not find out anything more.

They spoke to him for a few sentences and judged him based on that. The moment they felt he was a danger, they should've tried to find out more. At the very least, they should've interrogated him when he was imprisoned. It would not be ideal, but I would at least understand that.

In any interrogation, you can't readily tell if the person is telling the truth or not. Do we just stop doing them even in the real world? Of course not. You get info from the person, keep questioning to see if the story is consistent, cross check the info with other people, gather evidence to corroborate, etc. This is basic investigation. They decided not to investigate and just imprison him. That is not the just nor moral path to take.

[DarthEnderX]

In any interrogation, you can't readily tell if the person is telling the truth or not. Do we just stop doing them even in the real world? Of course not. You get info from the person, keep questioning to see if the story is consistent, cross check the info with other people, gather evidence to corroborate, etc. This is basic investigation.
You're asking for a Law & Order investigation from a mall cop.

Garfield isn't smart enough to do ANY of that, and he probably knows it. This guy smells like crime. He'll lock him up until the smart people aren't busy with more important things.


Assuming he was an evil cultist (which they don't even know)When everyone else that smells like the Witch is either a cultist or a mabeast, as far as their concerned, they do know.

[shinta|hikari]

You're asking for a Law & Order investigation from a mall cop.

Garfield isn't smart enough to do ANY of that, and he probably knows it. This guy smells like crime. He'll lock him up until the smart people aren't busy with more important things.


I agree. But what about the lady who spoke to Subaru and (not sure if the same person) fed him? There are other people that can do that. They had 3 days to ask him even one question, but no one tried.

Also, incapability to do the right and optimal thing doesn't mean you are excused to do the wrong thing. Wrong things are wrong, even if doing the right thing is hard.


When everyone else that smells like the Witch is either a cultist or a mabeast, as far as their concerned, they do know.

Which is prejudice. I understand where they are coming from, and approaching Subaru with caution is warranted, but assuming the worst without properly questioning will net them nothing. They could always strong arm him after they explained why he was suspicious and given him a chance to explain himself.

[KrayZ33]

They take him out of the equation, without knowing what the equation was?


What's so hard to understand about that.

If I play against 1 player instead of 2, it's obviously easier to plan around.



Assuming he was an evil cultist (which they don't even know), what if he already set a trap? What if he had allies incoming? What if he is mind controlling Ram and Emilia with some strange power? They basically know nothing and decided to not find out anything more.

They spoke to him for a few sentences and judged him based on that. The moment they felt he was a danger, they should've tried to find out more. At the very least, they should've interrogated him when he was imprisoned. It would not be ideal, but I would at least understand that.


So what if they had asked him, what would have changed?
It all comes down to Garf not believing him anymore.

Him attacking Subaru the first time they met does have a reason, obviously.
Experience, most likely.
I feel like we are blaming the guard dog for guarding the house.

[shinta|hikari]

What's so hard to understand about that.

If I play against 1 player instead of 2, it's obviously easier to plan around.

It's not hard to understand. It is too simplistic. I already gave examples of why doing it this way could've been an inadequate solution, as well as an inhumane one if the target is indeed innocent.




So what if they had asked him, what would have changed?
It all comes down to Garf not believing him anymore.


We won't know if it could change anything because they never even tried it, is the problem. Maybe Subaru has a completely valid reason for smelling like a cultist that they can go ahead and verify with Emilia, Ram, and Roswaal. But no one knows because no one tried to find out.

As for your second point, I can understand that. If Garfiel really just branded him as evil and no longer believes anything he says, then it is reasonable for him to not bother interrogating and just went straight into imprisonment. That doesn't mean knocking him out and imprisoning him are moral and acceptable actions, but I think that is unrelated to your point.

At this point, I've said all I can say about this topic, so I'll end my replies here. I feel we will just go around in circles saying the same things, so let's just agree to disagree.

[MFauli]

episode 34:

Good episode. The one thing I don't like is that all the witches are SUCH weeb anime clichees. Wished they were more traditional witches. At least Echidnea and Satella fit.

Speaking of which: Once again, ReZero shows its unpredictability: Satelly, the envy witch shows up! Wow. I just wonder why Emilia wasn't there when Subaru woke up. Even if he was unconscious a bit longer, Emilia wouldn't just leave him there on the floor. Weird.

It's nice how we got some expanded lore with those 3 big beasts. Just sucks that Daphne didn't react in any way when Subaru said he killed the whale ... come on, look at least a little shocked!

[DarthEnderX]

Wow, okay, that was a lot happening at once.


I just wonder why Emilia wasn't there when Subaru woke up.Maybe that Satella floating around IS Amelia. Maybe the witch possessed her somehow.

[Buffalobiian]

It's nice how we got some expanded lore with those 3 big beasts. Just sucks that Daphne didn't react in any way when Subaru said he killed the whale ... come on, look at least a little shocked!

I mean, she created the whale and rabbit intending on ending world hunger. It sounds like she didn't intend them to be free, but in any case their purpose IS to die.

When I saw Typhoon I thought "What restraint? Don't touch her? She's harmless!" (last part not true but whatever).

Then Daphne came along and... yeah, take care not to do stupid shit bro.

And Roswaal knows of his revival thing - damn...

[MFauli]

Wait, Roswaal knows?! Care to cite the dialogue? Totally missed that. I actually wondered: Did the bunnies eat Roswaal, too? Can't really imagine that guy to die like that lol

[Buffalobiian]

Wait, Roswaal knows?! Care to cite the dialogue? Totally missed that. I actually wondered: Did the bunnies eat Roswaal, too? Can't really imagine that guy to die like that lol

Post credits Roswaal hugs his copy of the original black book. I'll paraphrase him: "Don't fuck up this time Subaru."

[DarthEnderX]

I wonder how the Black Dragon fits in with solving hunger.

[MFauli]

Post credits Roswaal hugs his copy of the original black book. I'll paraphrase him: "Don't fuck up this time Subaru."

omg, fuck post credit scenes >__<

thx

That's huge.

[MFauli]

episode 35:

I dont get it. Why did Garfiel let Subaru go this time?

My issue with this anime right now is that I have no idea what Subaru is planning. He seems to have a plan, but not knowing about it makes watching him feel a bit too random.

Also I wonder how he intends to deal with, whats her name, the female assasssin. Elza? I guess Beako is stronger if she gets seriosu

[shinta|hikari]

episode 35:
I dont get it. Why did Garfiel let Subaru go this time?


Because of GAR. The "I know hell" line seems to have convinced him to let Subaru go. It's kinda flimsy considering the alternative is killing him for simply wanting to leave. Fortunately, Garfiel has already been mutilated (as I wished) at least once on screen, so I'm willing to look past his misdeeds.

[DarthEnderX]

It was kinda hard to tell, cause it was blurry, but the Witch WAS Amelia, right?

[MFauli]

Emilia, yes

[Buffalobiian]

Presumably this is what happens when Subaru naps too long talking to Echidna and Emilia somehow gets corrupted by her trial.

So as far as threats go:

-Mansion under threat from Assassin.
-Sanctuary under threat from Great Bunny
-Also Satella.

[KrayZ33]

I liked how the witch was swining her body/head left to right saying "I love you, I love you, I love you - LOVE ME LOVE ME LOVE ME"
spooky.


episode 35:

I dont get it. Why did Garfiel let Subaru go this time?

My issue with this anime right now is that I have no idea what Subaru is planning. He seems to have a plan, but not knowing about it makes watching him feel a bit too random.

Also I wonder how he intends to deal with, whats her name, the female assasssin. Elza? I guess Beako is stronger if she gets seriosu

my problem is less with Subaru but more with Beako... and their interaction. Because not knowing Subaru's plan is basically what this Anime is about whenever he is about to solve the "riddle". He kinda gets arbitrary information all the time - like that "Mining rights" stuff back when he made a deal with the other candidates...

But what the fuck was going on there at the last minute or so?

This "You know -I know and I know that you know, that we both know, what's going to happen here"-stuff with Beako

whaaaaaaat? Why? At least the interactions WITH Subaru should remain somewhat constant if they didn't interact with each other AT ALL.

I... guess... Beako does somehow understand Subaru's "Apostle" status (as this is basically the only thing that has changed) and will make a deal with him because he can "release" her from her oath?
I still want to know what "ask her the question" means and all that. I can only hope that they won't forget to mention/include it again...

Does the contents of the book (the one that can tell you the future, or your fate, or something) she holds change whenever Subaru dies... because he changes the future or something? And now Beako has something else written in it, which is why she acted like that?

[Buffalobiian]

Does the contents of the book (the one that can tell you the future, or your fate, or something) she holds change whenever Subaru dies... because he changes the future or something? And now Beako has something else written in it, which is why she acted like that?

Yes.

Is my guess.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 36

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Does the contents of the book (the one that can tell you the future, or your fate, or something) she holds change whenever Subaru dies... because he changes the future or something? And now Beako has something else written in it, which is why she acted like that?

And... it looks like I was completely wrong.

Interesting to see Elza brute forcing the door thing.




So, we have a few things happening:

1) Someone's sent assassins to the mansion and the village.

2) Frederique is kinda onto something, maybe to do with 1).

3) Emlia, if left to her own devices, becomes unstable and can turn into Satella in the extreme case.

4) Great Rabbit gets summoned one way or another whenever big magic gathers.

5) Garf occasionally gets in the way with his trust issues.

That's some bucket list. An all the while we still don't know what Roswaal wants, so we can't play with his intentions in mind. We also don't know if Roswaal's book is functional.

[KrayZ33]

That shit is getting insane, I like it.

So, the libary inside Roswal's mansion was created by the Witch of Greed, or someone very close to her persona? (Gathering all the knowledge and wanting to know *everything* etc)

How long ago was it when the witches were killed by Satella?

[Buffalobiian]

How long ago was it when the witches were killed by Satella?

I think Baeko said her book stopped writing for the past 400 years or something, so I guess around that?

I think Baeko is contracted to the Echidna. No one else really fits the bill. Plus she's got the book, so it's not just any old knowledge hungry person.

[DarthEnderX]

This first half of this episode was absolutely INFURIATING, because Roswaal has told him TWICE now EXACTLY what he has to say to Beako. He told him "Tell her to ask the question." then "Tell her you are that person."

What the actual FUCK is the point of doing some of these loops as "information gathering" if you aren't going to be bothered to REMEMBER THE FUCKING INFORMATION YOU GET?!

TWIIIICE!!!


I think Baeko is contracted to the Echidna. No one else really fits the bill. Plus she's got the book, so it's not just any old knowledge hungry person....wasn't that pretty much stated?

I mean, it's Echidna's library. Beako is contracted to guard the library. Who else would it be?


An all the while we still don't know what Roswaal wants, so we can't play with his intentions in mind.Hasn't he already said(just not to Subaru) that his goal is killing the Black Dragon?

[Buffalobiian]

I mean, it's Echidna's library. Beako is contracted to guard the library. Who else would it be?
That's what I mean.


Hasn't he already said(just not to Subaru) that his goal is killing the Black Dragon?

Can't remember. Wonder if Black Dragon and the Serpent are related though.

[KrayZ33]

I mean, it's Echidna's library. Beako is contracted to guard the library. Who else would it be?

Oh, it was indeed stated, I didn't catch/remember that because the talk after that was so confusing to me and I guess it took priority in my mind.
I have no idea why Subaru has to "love" Beako or if that's even what she was talking about. What?
And Subaru's reaction was weird too, I have no idea how he came to the conclusion that Echidna is her contractor.
What gave that away? Did Echidna mention the book during the tea party? Was it Roswal who said that?

Jeez, this show is not really benefitting from the 1 week gap at all, especially when the important bits are basically 4 weeks apart.

And as Darth mentioned already, it's so weird that he never brings up the sentence he's supposed to say. Isn't that the only reason why he came to the libary? To make her his ally?

[DarthEnderX]

Can't remember. Wonder if Black Dragon and the Serpent are related though.I assume the Black Dragon is the same as Gluttony's black serpent, yes.


I have no idea how he came to the conclusion that Echidna is her contractor.
What gave that away? Did Echidna mention the book during the tea party? Was it Roswal who said that?
I think he just put 2 and 2 together as Beako said something about "Keeping knowledge was the most important thing to her" when talking about the library's creator and when Echidna was describing what each of the Witch's obsessions was, she said that was hers.

[MFauli]

Oh, lots of discussion here this week, nice :D

I'm getting a bit annoyed at all the stuff that just gets added to Subaru's obstacle list. I wonder if this will be the first time where he has to choose to give up on some people and cannot save everyone.

Speaking of which, wtf, why was Subaru even fighting his death when he was returned to the closed space? Beako and the villagers were murdered apparently, including Petra and frederica, so why not accept that another death is necessary? That's happened before and it annoys me. Yes, dying is bad, but at this point i dont believe that it's so bad as to make Subaru give up on his friends.

[DarthEnderX]

I think at this point, the solution is to complete the trials(or help Amelia do it), so that they an ALL leave, put some distance between them and the rabbit, and more importantly, put up a concentrated assault to overwhelm the assassins.

The assassins keep winning so far, but against Ram, Frederika, Garfield, Amelia and Beako simultaneously, they should be able to handle it.

Hopefully, that would get him a new save point, so then he can focus on the rabbit.


Speaking of which, wtf, why was Subaru even fighting his death when he was returned to the closed space? Beako and the villagers were murdered apparently, including Petra and frederica, so why not accept that another death is necessary? That's happened before and it annoys me. Yes, dying is bad, but at this point i dont believe that it's so bad as to make Subaru give up on his friends.I think his reasoning is, the longer he lives, the more he might learn to use to his advantage next time. Especially against opponents that might gloat once they're certain he's going to die.

[Buffalobiian]

He takes each trial seriously, even when he knows he can reset.

He doesn't throw just because he can. Like DEX said, he returned to learn more things, such as to see what Roswaal has to say this time.

[shinta|hikari]

@Mfauli - Subaru actually explicitly stated that he plans to learn more from Roswaal for that cycle.

Beako would've killed Female Assassin (older) if she didn't let her guard down AND protect Subaru. Her arrows of petrification are kind of OP.

As for the beast user, pretty sure Garf would murder her in his beast form. Even Roswaal was wary of Garf in that form, granted he is injured at the moment. The fight against Emilia's Satella-mode is not a fair way to evaluate Garf's abilities, as much as I hate the guy's guts.

[MFauli]

@Mfauli - Subaru actually explicitly stated that he plans to learn more from Roswaal for that cycle.



I got that, I just don't think Subaru was thinking of that plan when he struggled to stay alive.

[DarthEnderX]

Her arrows of petrification are kind of OP.Clearly not. I mean, letting her guard down or not, Assassin apparently just ignores being turned into rubble.

[KrayZ33]

That cloak of her seems to be able to at least negate 1 spell effect.
In Season 1, she used it against Puck's ice too and it disappeared after that, as if it was "de-summoned"

It's the same deal this time around, probably.
Stuff like that really makes me wonder if the magic system is actually properly explained in the source material at this point of the story.
It would be cool if there are RPG like items/elements to it.
The "Blessig of XY" stuff is also very interesting. (for example "Blessing of Wind" and I believe Priscila had "Blessing of Luck." or something? Or was it "Sun"? My memory kinda tells me it's the latter, but I'm not even sure if that's something I read in a comment section somewhere or if that has been mentioned in the anime at some point in time

edit:
It's kinda a shame that we don't get to know more but on the other hand, it's cool too because it's pretty much the same for Subaru, he has no idea what mages are capable of.

edit2:

the heck, we are already 11 episodes in?.... ugh. How is it going to end in 2 more episodes.

[MFauli]

the heck, we are already 11 episodes in?.... ugh. How is it going to end in 2 more episodes.

my assumption is that theyre focusing on setting up the whole, despairing situation in the first half, then go on to having Subaru solve it in the second half.

Although I must say: I really hope Season 3 wont take this long >_<

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah so...what DID happen to Puck?

[Buffalobiian]

Yeah so...what DID happen to Puck?

He decided not to show.

That, or he CAN'T show in the Sanctuary. We're not sure. But we do know that Puck expected his own absence and asked Subaru to take care of Emilia.

[KrayZ33]

Episode 37

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this episode was better than the whole season so far imho.
Subaru's train of thought is still a bit alien to me whenever he is about to make a decision, but at least I can understand why he won't make the contract and I agree.

But...like... not asking for the "bad sides" of the contracts, is just so silly and I expect a lot more from him.

And I really wished we'd know if the weird face Echidna made is actually the face she made or the face Subaru saw when she explained it all. It's so hard to tell, obviously by choice, but still.
I believe it's just the face Subaru saw and the "madness" which dwells inside her... but you kinda never truely know with this anime.

edit:

btw, after the last few minutes, I'm pretty sure the Emilia + Puck OVA becomes semi-relevant here and might answer a question here. I think it became relevant already because it is related to Emilia's first trial... not sure if at any point in time the normal show did answer/hint at what she is experiencing during the trial, so if people haven't seen it already, they probably should (it's fun anyway)

[Buffalobiian]

But...like... not asking for the "bad sides" of the contracts, is just so silly and I expect a lot more from him.

I agree. It seems to have a lot to do with Echidna being on his good side plus manipulating information.

Imagine if Roswaal proposed this contract with him (assuming he was in a powerful position to do so etc). Subaru would find it suspicious as fuck.

[NeoCybercoin]

Fuck, every single episode of this season is so damn good.
I cannot wait for the next episode!

[MFauli]

Wow, seems I'm the only one who didn't like this episode that much. Don't get me wrong, the contents were big, meaningful and all. But I though the presentation quality didn't match the gravity of these scenes. It feels to me this episode was supposed to a dramatic highlight similar to when in season 1 Subaru carried dead Rem to the mansion, snow everywhere, and then Puck appears and freezes him to death and the music just keeps playing and it feels like a movie. I would have wanted that quality in terms of presentation for this episode, too. Instead we got an off-looking cgi-model of Echidna turning 360° and otherwise pretty standard animation.

Just to make sure, I didn't think it was a bad episode. It just wasn't that great.

btw since Deca-dence is finished, was this the last episode of the first part of season 2 or do we get another one next week?

[MFauli]

episode 38:

So ... who's the villain in this anime?

Apparently Satella wants to actually help Subaru learn to love himself (therapy much?). But if so, why make the curse so that he can't tell others? Then there's Roswaal. But is he the one who brought Subaru in this isekai? Iirc, Roswaal was surprised by Subaru, too, in the beginning of S1, so that's unlikely. And despite everything, Roswaal seems to have a "good" goal, too.

So, I'm leaning to "whoever transported Subaru to this world is the villain", because that person is abusing Subaru for whatever goal. Maybe that's Roswaal, maybe not.

[Buffalobiian]

If having a sympathetic intent discounts someone from being a villain, then there need not be one. It's just about Subaru trying to get through life here with respawns, and it's a shitty life.

He can't tell people because they can abuse it, just like Roswaal is abusing it right now.

"Die as many times as you need to so you can be the person I need you to be to achieve my goal."

[MFauli]

why is this thread on page 3?! Gotwoot forum way too active ;>

Anyway, is that the new episode already? S02E14

Didn't expect it until next week.