MSG Iron-Blooded Orphans - G-Tekketsu

[Kraco]

Unless McGillis is lying, Tekkadan should basically become the core of the armed forces of Mars. In that light it could have been nice if Kuudelia's role would have been to prepare Mars for that. Risky business, of course, considering Mars is under Gjallarhorn still, but why does Tekkadan need to be the one carrying all the risks? Kuudelia certainly wouldn't feel that's proper. We haven't really seen that deeply into the society on Mars, so would they give a single shit about who's the "King of Mars" as long as they can keep on living, but it would have given additional depth to the show.

[lelouch]

So when Kudelia wants to renegotiate trade deals, she's a hero. But when Trump wants to do it, he's racist?

[shinta|hikari]

Trump isn't racist because of the trade deals...

[NeoCybercoin]

I like how Barbatos now has parts from the Mobile Armor. That battle took a lot from Mikazuki so it's only fair he'd take something back from it.

[Buffalobiian]

I like how Barbatos now has parts from the Mobile Armor. That battle took a lot from Mikazuki so it's only fair he'd take something back from it.

Not only that, but it ties with the theme about trading your humanity for further strength. Mika feels like he should have been born with a tail.

[Kraco]

Episode 43


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I wonder if McGillis really is obsessed with symbols of power far too much or if that new Gundam really is something super special. Remains to be seen. What comes to Vidar/Ein, I fail to see how a brain in a jar would be more safe from the backlash of the overdrive than a brain in a body. Or maybe they meant that Vidar's own brain won't suffer since only Ein's brain will slowly die, the more the system is used. Sounds like a system Iok would love: Huge benefits but someone else pays the price.

The very last scene of the episode has McGillis's loli bride with blood on her hands. I'm actually looking forward to seeing what that's all about.

[ForteCross]

Episode 43


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I wonder if McGillis really is obsessed with symbols of power far too much or if that new Gundam really is something super special. Remains to be seen. What comes to Vidar/Ein, I fail to see how a brain in a jar would be more safe from the backlash of the overdrive than a brain in a body. Or maybe they meant that Vidar's own brain won't suffer since only Ein's brain will slowly die, the more the system is used. Sounds like a system Iok would love: Huge benefits but someone else pays the price.

The very last scene of the episode has McGillis's loli bride with blood on her hands. I'm actually looking forward to seeing what that's all about.

her killing his own father because she loves his husby...

also did they suggested at child violation in this chapter? mcguillis was at a state of undress and all beaten up right next to a sleeping man that should be "his new daddy", wth?

also i seem to be missing the point with vidar/ein... i remember ein getting beated to death by mcguillis, but the other one...? was he a new character who was also a brother of mcguillis? weird plot was weird

[Kraco]

also did they suggested at child violation in this chapter? mcguillis was at a state of undress and all beaten up right next to a sleeping man that should be "his new daddy", wth?

It seems to me his whole earlier childhood was such: He was forced to sell himself to get something to eat, among other things, like killing people. His new daddy likely met him first due to such circumstances, or due to some gang connections, and ended up adopting him as a son with benefits disadvantages...


also i seem to be missing the point with vidar/ein... i remember ein getting beated to death by mcguillis, but the other one...? was he a new character who was also a brother of mcguillis? weird plot was weird

Wasn't Ein the dude from Mars (or at least the Mars branch of Gjallarhorn) whom McGillis took with him, outwardly as an ally and to help him advance in the ranks, but in reality he needed a tool he could use in experiements (Ein ended up more a machine, less a man towards the end of the first season) and sacrifice. Vidar was his bro in the new family, the other brat in the flashbacks (Gaelio). He didn't view kindly slaying that fool Carta Issue, among other things. I don't actually exactly remember what happened to him at the end of the first season. Was he just allowed to flee or something?

[shinta|hikari]

McGillis killed him, but let's face it, this is made by Sunrise.

[NeoCybercoin]

Death in one season but a mysterious masked man in the next is kinda their thing. Gaelio using Ein to take most of the strain wasn't that bad of an idea. Maybe he's stronger than Mika because Mika still has a body that works. Well half of it unless hooked to the suit. Barbatos has already taken a bunch of space in order for Mika to be better. Ein over here IS a brain so that should give Gaelio full access. Guess we'll see later. It seems McGillis said something bout a similar research being done because of Ein? So perhaps he too has something like that.

[shinta|hikari]

I bet the boss gundam's power is to shut down other gundams...

[Kraco]

Mika has a lot more experience fighting difficult opponents and Barbatos has mobile armour components integrated. Mobile armours were the ultimate enemy. Whom exactly did Ein and Vidar fight to get so good? I still think Mika should be better. At least this show is one where the pilot's skills matter, unlike some other, lesser Gundam shows where its all about the frame.

[Buffalobiian]

Guess we'll see later. It seems McGillis said something bout a similar research being done because of Ein? So perhaps he too has something like that.

Yeah, I'm not sure. I listened to that line again and the subs seemed wrong. I agree with you that it was something like:

-I used Ein to develop a system
-You two are now using said similar system
-Oh, fate!

The fact that final boss Gundam has the "soul" of the original fellow suggests that McGillis will do something similar as well. Mika will just solo this shit like he normally does. Maybe what'll happen is that he becomes fully integrated into Barbatos, such that he'll die if he disconnects.

[ForteCross]

Wasn't Ein the dude from Mars (or at least the Mars branch of Gjallarhorn) whom McGillis took with him, outwardly as an ally and to help him advance in the ranks, but in reality he needed a tool he could use in experiements (Ein ended up more a machine, less a man towards the end of the first season) and sacrifice. Vidar was his bro in the new family, the other brat in the flashbacks (Gaelio). He didn't view kindly slaying that fool Carta Issue, among other things. I don't actually exactly remember what happened to him at the end of the first season. Was he just allowed to flee or something?

ohhhhhhhh right right, ein was the simple dude from mars that his superior was killed by mika on the first/second episode episode that ended being just a machine because he was paralyzed or something.

gaelio was the other dude that came to save carta and ended up blowing with her or something...

[shinta|hikari]

Mika has a lot more experience fighting difficult opponents and Barbatos has mobile armour components integrated. Mobile armours were the ultimate enemy. Whom exactly did Ein and Vidar fight to get so good? I still think Mika should be better. At least this show is one where the pilot's skills matter, unlike some other, lesser Gundam shows where its all about the frame.

I guess it's just that much faster and has better reaction speed and maneuverability.

[Kraco]

Episode 44



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I feel a bit sorry for McGillis's loli bride. I can't feel fully sorry for her because in the end she was born and grew up in a Gjallarhorn top family, which is the most exlusive and privileged position imaginable in that universe, and thus it has to have its downsides as well. Kind of like a dictator's family has to live knowing that one day an angry mob can summarily execute them, if given a chance.

Not much to say about this ep. It was very much a in-between episode, with the real deal starting next. It was good that Orga got pissed off to the point of punching McGillis. Clearly McGillis hadn't bothered to keep Orga entirely updated, nor to reveal to him alternate scenarios. I hope McGillis won't try to betray Tekkadan, at the very least.

[Buffalobiian]

As a build up episode this was done nicely (as opposed to being a drawn-out, "wait till next week" episode).
They've set up for Orga to finally step down or share responsibility amongst Tekkadan, and cleared up exactly the position and desires of each party.

It seemed rather flimsy of McGillis to rely on a symbol to draw loyalty from other prominent members. None of them were first generation g'horners. They don't personally owe loyalty to the Founder.

[NeoCybercoin]

Symbols are everything to McGillis. Especially symbols of power and authority. Thought it was a bit stupid that he didn't think that others might not share that belief. Not all the way anyway since they are remaining neutral in this matter instead of blindly following him.

Pretty sure he will be the end boss. I mean he'd take over Gjallarhorn but that would place Tekkadan as the rulers of Mars. Guess he'd try and take them down to 'prevent' corruption.

[shinta|hikari]

Wait, you guys really think McGillis was surprised this didn't work? Of course he understood it likely wouldn't. Why else would he employ Tekkadan as a private army? He is just pretending for Orga's benefit.

[Kraco]

He accepted a pretty high risk to obtain that machine, due to the surgery needed. Surgery performed on an adult only once before, at least in their time, and even with children it often fails, leaving behind a cripple. I don't think he did it only for the sake of getting a nice Gundam frame since in this show there's less Gundam worship than in most Gundam shows (that I've seen, anyway). Whilst it's true he might have suspected the other leaders might not blindly follow him, he still needed some symbol for claiming the supreme leadership. After all, he wouldn't have otherwise had any grounds for this little coup. Now this is equivalent to some usurper claiming he's in fact the bastard son of a king and thus entitled to the crown.

He already needed Tekkadan even before the upcoming big battle. He needed to seize key positions on Earth and secure the orbit. His own troops weren't enough.

[shinta|hikari]

Wasn't all the experiments he did for the sake of raising the success rate of his own surgery so he can pilot that gundam? I don't think a schemer like him would just randomly entrust his life to a shoddy procedure.

[Kraco]

He intends to take over the world. I'd say he's willing to risk something. A single (successful) experiment doesn't seem like much to me.

He indeed did it only to be able to pilot that Gundam, that's not what I meant. I meant that particular Gundam stands for more than just its capability in a fight. Even if it's symbolic, it's still the vehicle of the leader of Gjallarhorn. That's why it was worth it to risk the surgery. He wouldn't likely have risked it for some random, noname Gundam equipped with the neural interface system. Even now he did at least succeed at making those couple of geezers neutral.

[shinta|hikari]

Well of course he wanted, even needed, a symbol. He said it himself.

What I was arguing is that he isn't really surprised that not everyone just suddenly supported him. He knew and was okay with the backlash. Now he just needs to win this battle and he can become king.

[Buffalobiian]

Symbols are everything to McGillis. Especially symbols of power and authority. Thought it was a bit stupid that he didn't think that others might not share that belief. Not all the way anyway since they are remaining neutral in this matter instead of blindly following him.


I get that McGillis want's a symbol. What I'm saying is exactly what you're saying - that he thought others would follow him just because of said symbol seemed stupid of him.

@shinta: he is genuinely surprised that people are defying Bael. See 13mins into the ep or so. He knows he just has to show Bael's military might to remind them, but he didn't expect to actually have to do it.

[shinta|hikari]

He was pissed it didn't go according to the best case scenario, but it's hard to believe someone who planned all that can't foresee this neutrality stance. It might even be an act to imply to the other stars just how absurd going against Bael is.

[Kraco]

that he thought others would follow him just because of said symbol seemed stupid of him.

It's an organisation that allowed a blistering idiot like Iok to command a fleet of ships, just because he happened to be born the heir of the family. So, it's not altogether impossible someone managing to obtain the sceptre of the king would be allowed to assume the throne. However, it was naturally balanced by the other leaders' personal greed and hunger for power. I'd indeed say McGillis was acting a lot of his great surprise. He would have needed for Tekkadan's sake alone, since fighting against Gjallarhorn's greatest armada wasn't a part of the deal originally. Plus in order to justify his coup, he at least needs to look like he himself believes simply possessing Bael grants the position of supreme leadership.

[Kraco]

Episode 45


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First time during this long show, but I'm disappointed in Mika. How come he can't get rid of that one brainwashed bitch? The dude who more or less singlehandedly defeated the mobile armor, yet he can't win against a person not even using the Alaja-Vijanana system. That's just pure bullshit, and it's only happening so that the plot can keep Mika away from the battle. Quite weak, quite weak indeed.

Rustal is a funny guy: He knows he's going to be the dictator if he wins the war, so he goes all out with the forbidden weapons. After all, he can shut any mouths after the war. It's a huge pity McGillis didn't seem to have any contingency plans whatsoever. I totally expected him to have some aces up his sleeve when he couldn't win everyone on his side with the symbol of power, but it turns out he was just an idiot, despite all his plotting. After all, if he still did possess some kind of a Plan B, he should have used it before things got this bad. Unless his plan is to have everybody die...

[ForteCross]

is it just me or does orga's plans are allways the same?

full head on with the decoy ship in the front and the real target on the back?

[shinta|hikari]

They should've added one more unit to fight Mika to make this believable. This episode was executed badly compared to the rest so far.

[Buffalobiian]

First time during this long show, but I'm disappointed in Mika. How come he can't get rid of that one brainwashed bitch? The dude who more or less singlehandedly defeated the mobile armor, yet he can't win against a person not even using the Alaja-Vijanana system. That's just pure bullshit, and it's only happening so that the plot can keep Mika away from the battle. Quite weak, quite weak indeed.


Yes. This.

Like.. what the actual fuck? Mike has no equal right now besides Galileo and Bael. If you really want to pin Mika down without those two units, your only other option is to barrage him with railguns.

[Kraco]

Episode 46




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It looks like Orga finally might have got prosthetic balls installed to replace the ones he lost at an unknown point of the series, so now we are just missing an artificial brain to replace the one McGillis has lost, and Mika's mysteriously absent skills also need to be found. Then we are ready for a final battle. Julietta, on the other hand, is only adding skills to her repertoire, such as breathing vacuum successfully.

These last eps have been highly annoying, doubly so because the show was so great for such a long time. I can't understand why this ending portion couldn't be handled appropriately. Nothing McGillis does seem to serve any sensible purpose (although I'd really love to be proven wrong and this is only a part of his grand plan). Mika, the best Gundam pilot in the galaxy, couldn't do shit during the whole battle. I do wonder if the script writer suddenly changed.

[ForteCross]

Episode 46




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It looks like Orga finally might have got prosthetic balls installed to replace the ones he lost at an unknown point of the series, so now we are just missing an artificial brain to replace the one McGillis has lost, and Mika's mysteriously absent skills also need to be found. Then we are ready for a final battle. Julietta, on the other hand, is only adding skills to her repertoire, such as breathing vacuum successfully.

These last eps have been highly annoying, doubly so because the show was so great for such a long time. I can't understand why this ending portion couldn't be handled appropriately. Nothing McGillis does seem to serve any sensible purpose (although I'd really love to be proven wrong and this is only a part of his grand plan). Mika, the best Gundam pilot in the galaxy, couldn't do shit during the whole battle. I do wonder if the script writer suddenly changed.

might be that they had enough story for 40 episodes and needed to make some filler/drama to prolong the series...

now once again they are between the sword and the rock, hope the remaining turbines come help for the finale for some more manpower...

i can understand orga starting to feel the weight of the leadership and slowly losing confidence only to be slapped in the face by the reality of things... IMO this part was well done as long as he keeps his cool now...

regarding mika getting beaten up by jullieta :\... seems like she will get a power up by the "human willing power" which will make it even harder for mika to fight her which i dont like... just for the lolz let her come back speaking high and mighty only for mika to dispose her in one move while trying to fight someone else...

[Buffalobiian]

This reminds me of an old series (http://i.imgur.com/M285dMu.jpg) I was so fond of, but ended badly. One character was built up in such a cool and powerful way that the only way to make them lose was to invent something stupid and somewhat inconsistent. This is what we got today.

That very winning move Mika pulled on the girl should have been the first thing to happen in their encounter. Since when should a human blade-whip be powerful enough to counter the tail from a mobile armour?

And as far as I'm concerned, piloting by neuro-linked devices should be neuro-link only. Using your hands shouldn't even matter.

[NeoCybercoin]

Let's just say that Jullietta is one of the strongest normal pilots. Even if Mika is OP, her job was to stall him and he didn't really seem to fully realize that at first.

[Kraco]

Let's just say that Jullietta is one of the strongest normal pilots. Even if Mika is OP, her job was to stall him and he didn't really seem to fully realize that at first.

Now that I think about it, I reckon Mika has also been kind of lost of late when Orga has been so ballless. They work properly when Orga concoct crazy gambler's plans and Mika is the one who pulls off the most brazen parts. Mika isn't really a thinker or a tactician, a strategist all the less, so when Orga is all the time only holding him back, he's probably nerfed 50%.

[Buffalobiian]

Now that I think about it, I reckon Mika has also been kind of lost of late when Orga has been so ballless. They work properly when Orga concoct crazy gambler's plans and Mika is the one who pulls off the most brazen parts. Mika isn't really a thinker or a tactician, a strategist all the less, so when Orga is all the time only holding him back, he's probably nerfed 50%.

When Orga asked Mika to pull back after the chaff, I totally expected Mika to charge in - because that is what Mika does.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 47

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The baby actually happened.

Holy. Shit.





I can settle with the fake ID thing. Eliot is only after defeating Tekkadan in name anyway. He's not actually after their lives. The question would be whether (1) the reformed Gjallahorn, and (2) neo-Tekkadan living quietly would be enough to satisfy the earlier goals of preventing child soldiers.

The beginning of S1 clearly showed the brutality towards Space Rats and unfair treatment towards Colonists, while S2's first ep highlighted this to be an ongoing problem.

On a smaller scale Tekkadan finding peace would be great, but I feel that we still need something more along the lines of a worldy change.

[Kraco]

Why are they so hell-bent on ruining this show? Just when I thought Orga couldn't fall any lower and he found again his long lost balls, he's actually now betraying his own words in the same fricking episode. I thought at first that phone call was a part of a nefarious plot, but it turns out it really was Orga trying to lick Rustal's dirty boots. Although if this show finally gets to the final battle, Rustal underestimating Orga might serve Tekkadan well. Assuming Orga tries to fight and not flee and hide.

At least they now have a lot of spare parts incoming. They just need to remove the biological matter from inside of them. Rustal also got a bit too satisfied with his own power. He should have bombarded the Tekkadan base from the orbit, not send in ground troops. He really does want a video of Gjallarhorn beating Tekkadan directly.

[ForteCross]

Why are they so hell-bent on ruining this show? Just when I thought Orga couldn't fall any lower and he found again his long lost balls, he's actually now betraying his own words in the same fricking episode. I thought at first that phone call was a part of a nefarious plot, but it turns out it really was Orga trying to lick Rustal's dirty boots. Although if this show finally gets to the final battle, Rustal underestimating Orga might serve Tekkadan well. Assuming Orga tries to fight and not flee and hide.

At least they now have a lot of spare parts incoming. They just need to remove the biological matter from inside of them. Rustal also got a bit too satisfied with his own power. He should have bombarded the Tekkadan base from the orbit, not send in ground troops. He really does want a video of Gjallarhorn beating Tekkadan directly.

more on that, so far the only thing that beated tekkadan so far was the long range piercing arrow that we have not seen yet used on land...

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 48

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RIP Orga.

To tell you the truth I don't think that driveby made sense. If their plan or location was known there, it shouldn't be just a driveby, but a proper slaughter to make sure no one gets out. Killing one or two Tekkadan on civilian streets doesn't accomplish anything.


I was also expecting McGillis to sabotage the Calamity War tunnel after he heard about it to ensure Tekkadan fights with him. Using their escape as a means to "draw in Rustal" doesn't make sense either. That guy's never touched a mobile suit the entire time. He just needs to command from orbit.

[shinta|hikari]

Death flags were obnoxiously obvious. I guess Mika will now live for revenge because he really has nothing else.

[NeoCybercoin]

Besides a kid on the way. Didn't he say that if it wasn't for Orga then he'd be living for Atra?

[Kraco]

Orga had a death flag hanging above him since the first season, but he didn't manage to find his death back then. Now he was killed by random noname gangsters. Bill's criticism isn't necessarily correct because those men were obviously sent by that Nobliss scumbag. So, they were nothing but hired guns scared of facing Tekkadan. I reckon Nobliss has kept Kuudelia's office on an eye, and sent the henchmen when movement was detected. However, such low class criminals aren't likely to perform a thorough operation. They shot from a seemingly safe distance and then fled the moment one of them was gunned down.

I hope we will finally get the final Mika kicking ass battle. I wouldn't be surprised if he, and most of the Tekkadan crew, died, and we got a sort of second generation ending with Atra raising the kid. Gjallarhorn ought to lose the fleet (and naturally Rustal and his staff), for there to be a different tomorrow. Someone else than McGillis should be guiding it, though. A power worshipper isn't a proper person to lead armed forces.

[shinta|hikari]

So that's why they made Orga into such a pussy recently. They didn't want riots to break out when they kill a cool guy, so they pussify him first.

I actually want McGillis to be the next ruler. He is obsessed with power, yet at the same time he acts with sense. As long as he gets to keep the top spot, I imagine he will be a sensible administrator as proven by his past achievements. His mindset is also relatively forward thinking and non-discriminatory.

[ForteCross]

Death flags were obnoxiously obvious. I guess Mika will now live for revenge because he really has nothing else.death flags were all over the place :\... just "waiting" right next to the car in a street with no movement was just the icing on the cake...

orga had his badass moment there defending the little kid, if only he survived he would be the on the level of nick fury but everyone knows about the plan so there is no reason to keep him alive...

seriusly i hope that now mika goes full berserker on barbatos and finally losing every single part of his body to the machine, just so he can move only in the gundam and thus being just a "justice machine"

[shinta|hikari]

Mika will probably lose everything to Barbatos. I just hope he doesn't die. He has two lovely ladies and a baby (?) waiting for him, even if he can only fondle them near the gundam.

[Kraco]

Episode 49



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With Orga dead, Mika ought to be through with holding back, so who's going to stop him now? Gaelio's Ein-zombie machine is scrap metal, after all. That leaves Julietta, but I don't want to believe this show will present the kind of bullshit twice that we already suffered once. Basically Gjallarhorn can only keep throwing troops (and illegal weapons) at Mika, caring nothing about casualties, to simply tire out him and Barbatos. Fortunately for Gjallarhorn Rustal is the kind of guy for whom both methods and friendly casualties are meaningless as long as he wins.

I'd like to see Mika go after officers next, though, as it's meaningless to fight the grunts. Of course it would also be nice to see the Turbine ladies appear as reinforcements at a crucial moment. After all, this show can't end with the folks fleeing to Earth. It's going to end in a big battle where Rustal will perish, and that Nobliss scumbag as well, of course. It would be great if Kuudelia shot Nobliss. This is the kind of show where nobody needs to stay pure.

[Buffalobiian]

It's been a while now since character development and plot felt right. McGillis losing makes sense given Ein's number advantage (both in minds and grunt numbers).

I was half expecting Mika to be lost and half expecting Mika to fight for his baby last week, but of course this is the correct answer to their bromance - follow Orga's last order to the grave. As you rightly say Kraco, Julietta better become fodder next episode like the fodder that she is. No one is a match for Mika now. His downfall should be from exhaustion and lack of supplies/armour/weapon if at all.

Assuming the ending is decent, this will go down as my favourite Gundam easily.

[NeoCybercoin]

Pretty sure Mika is going to die like the rest of the older generation. To pave the way for the next one and for the ones that escape.

[Buffalobiian]

HS - Episode 50 (END)


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And there it is. One of the best Gundam series ever. The story is character-focused, well-rounded and Iok is finally dead.

[Flying Hamster]

I've been on this fourm for a few years now and have rarely posted but felt like I should right now. More of a whim than anything . Iron Blooded Orphans is not just one the best Gundam series, it's one of the best stories I've ever herd. Mikazuki Augus, I think I'll remember that name years from now. I've already forgotten SEED, almost completely.

[NeoCybercoin]

Definitely one of the best Gundam shows. The best for me.

[Kraco]

Yeah, it was a good show.

I'm not entirely sure what to think of this ending. It's annoyingly realistic. I'm okay with the MCs dying, especially when Mika left behind a kid, and I'm certainly happy Iok and Nobliss died, but otherwise this simply gave the feeling that in the world the strong win, regardless of who is right or whose actions are justified. Rustal didn't found a military dictatorship, which is of course good, but otherwise he was a totally moralless and unscrupulous person, so seeing him as the first leader of the new order, even if it was more democratic than the old one, still feels the same as how the Eastern Europe was left to be raped by the Soviet Union after the WW2. Thus we had Kuudelia shaking hands with the man who ordered Mikazuki killed by using illegal weapons. There was absolutely nobody left who could have stopped Rustal anymore, so he could do whatever he wanted, like make himself the biggest hero. It would have been good if Kuudelia at least had erected a nice monument to Tekkadan in a public place. If Mars gained independence, it would be just the kind of thing they would do in reality. It's bullshit most of Mars would have bought Rustal's propaganda too deeply. A newly independent nation would need their own heroes.

[ForteCross]

Yeah, it was a good show.

I'm not entirely sure what to think of this ending. It's annoyingly realistic. I'm okay with the MCs dying, especially when Mika left behind a kid, and I'm certainly happy Iok and Nobliss died, but otherwise this simply gave the feeling that in the world the strong win, regardless of who is right or whose actions are justified. Rustal didn't found a military dictatorship, which is of course good, but otherwise he was a totally moralless and unscrupulous person, so seeing him as the first leader of the new order, even if it was more democratic than the old one, still feels the same as how the Eastern Europe was left to be raped by the Soviet Union after the WW2. Thus we had Kuudelia shaking hands with the man who ordered Mikazuki killed by using illegal weapons. There was absolutely nobody left who could have stopped Rustal anymore, so he could do whatever he wanted, like make himself the biggest hero. It would have been good if Kuudelia at least had erected a nice monument to Tekkadan in a public place. If Mars gained independence, it would be just the kind of thing they would do in reality. It's bullshit most of Mars would have bought Rustal's propaganda too deeply. A newly independent nation would need their own heroes.
history isnt wrote by who was right, only by those who where left...

we all know that kudalia is just making the best of the situation, she knows that rustal ordered mikas execution but at the same time she know that this is the best deal she can get to mika's cause, in the end he fought for a new future and if kudelia thrown it away it would be meaningless.

this is by far the best possible ending in a gundam show, its not an heroic ending by the main characters where they conquer evil, but by standing to their own principals and dying for it they opened the way for a better future generation. they were the rebels that didnt got the chance to be corrupted by power and thus stayed true to their own purpose which is, like some people said already, more realistic.

akihiro is still one of the most developed side characters in a gundam show i ever saw, he looked like a generic muscle guy for the whole time but was rewared one the the most satisfying deaths in all time, killing iok by his own hands in the last second!

seems like the most devoted to tekkadan are still running in the shadows, under taiwaz wing maybe i hope?

anyone knows if we will be blessed with a new gundam movie ala gundam 00?

[lelouch]

Idk why you all like this series so much. It was okay but not amazing. The ending of "everything went absolutely wrong and not the way it's supposed to at all, but hey the douche villain actually made everything just the way the main characters wanted" seems a bit too much of a Deus Ex Machina for me.

[Roko]

Although that ending definitely felt a bit rushed, I like how realistic it was. On the one hand, it's a bummer our protagonists didn't 'win', but on the other hand, any happily ever after would have been a cop out. A bittersweet ending for sure.

It was a bit odd that Rustal basically did what McGillis wanted to. There seemed to be nothing to hint he would do so--wasn't he a supporter of the status quo? A few more episodes to flesh out the events after the battle would have been nice.

One last thing: Ride totally gave me Setsuna flashbacks when I first saw him at the end there.

[NeoCybercoin]

I absolutely loved the realism of it. There wasn't a happy ending for everyone. Because not everyone from Tekkadan would accept what happened. Sure I would have loved to see a happy ending for all but there just wasn't one for Mika. Fighting has been al he has ever known. Only fitting for him to go out like that.

[lelouch]

I'm okay without a happy ending, but I just don't see Rustal handing Mars over to Kudelia. Rustal is now the strongest man in the known universe, and has led the status quo of using media manipulation to hide the mass murder of civilians and using illegal weapons. There was nothing in the story to ever suggest him doing anything that does not continue effective oppression of the people.

[Kraco]

It was a bit odd that Rustal basically did what McGillis wanted to. There seemed to be nothing to hint he would do so--wasn't he a supporter of the status quo? A few more episodes to flesh out the events after the battle would have been nice.


No, I think Rustal doing this was logical enough. If you look at him, he was a man with no principles. It's kind of funny he wasn't that different from McGillis, he even told Julietta that he's one of the bad old men. However, there was one huge difference, which was keeping his head cool and not believing in ideals but believing in using ideals to his advantage. That's exactly like terrorist leaders can use ideals to make people kill themselves in suicide attacks for whatever reason, be it nationalism, political system, or religion. Rustal wanted two things: The restore Gjallarhorn to their place as the heroes of the Solar System (they had become that originally by defeating the faction that created the mobile armors), but over time they became corrupt through and through. As opposed to that, McGillis pretty much wanted to destroy Gjallarhorn. Rustal's second objective, of course, was to make himself the biggest hero of the new, reformed Gjallarhorn. For this reason he also needed big villains, which role McGillis and Tekkadan filled.


we all know that kudalia is just making the best of the situation, she knows that rustal ordered mikas execution but at the same time she know that this is the best deal she can get to mika's cause, in the end he fought for a new future and if kudelia thrown it away it would be meaningless.

I never said Kuudelia isn't doing well now, even to the point of dealing with that scumbag Rustal. She's certainly doing her everything to build a better Mars and being successful at that. I just wish she had had the guts to give Tekkadan the honour and recognition those guys deserved. They fought and died for the same thing Kuudelia is now making better, after all. It's pitiful if the official truth even on Mars teaches Tekkadan was a bunch of opportunistic criminals. Tekkadan are the guys that saved a whole Martian city from a mobile armor that idiot Iok of Gjallarhorn carelessly woke up. Surely they are teaching that to children at Martian schools!

[shinta|hikari]

I wanted Rustal to die, preferably by an assassination planned by Kudelia, and for Julietta to succeed him and make a better world than one ruled by a corrupt, conniving old man.

I wanted Julietta to be beat up badly by Barbatos before Mika eventually succumbs to his wounds, or spares Julietta after realizing that he has already arrived at the destination with Orga.

I wanted a better ending than this.